Full Show Podcast: 24 November 2025

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politician property chat.

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Meet goes through various abuse that he gets via the
text machine and just runs it through abrism some.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Deep philosophy or shallow philosophy or pop philosophy on how
you deal with abuse Because a bunch of people aren't
going too politics because they're scared of abuse. Well, I
say better that you learn how to deal with abuse,
then expect the universe to change such that it fits
your preferences.

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Speaker 3 (01:20):
Talk said, be today to you, Welcome into Monday show.
Hope you had a fantastic weekend, whether was on point
in most places around the country.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
You doing Matt are very good. Welcome to the show.
Great New Zealanders. Now, were Tyler doing some succulents?

Speaker 3 (01:37):
No, I'd prefer not. But if yuckers yuckers, definitely, No yuckers.
I don't know what you do with yuckers.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
I've just moved into my new house and there is
so many succulents and yukis. They are like aliens. How
are succulents of which yuckers are one? How are they
They're just such superior plants to other plants. They're horrible,
but they can just grow anywhere where everything else is struggling.
Yuckers are just on fire. It's like they're aliens.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, it's something about when you've got adversity in your life,
like yuckers do, because everybody hates them. So eitherbody tries
to just you know, absolutely destroy them, then they bounce
back harder and faster. Maybe it is when they live
under the challenge of life that yuckers. Right then they
think bugger this for a joke. I'm going to fight
back with vengeance and just keep growing right.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
What doesn't class makes us stronger. The dump won't even
take succulents or yuckers because they're so evil and they're
so powerful that you can't even you can't even drop
them off of the dump need a priest to get
rid of them. But I was just when I was
around at your house at the fantastic barbecue you had
on Friday. Thanks for inviting me, even though you destroyed
all the sausages on the barbecue that I lint you

(02:48):
to user Era, that's a different issue. It runs hot,
I'll say it runs very hot. I noticed in your
property there's quite a few areas where I could duck
dump some succulents.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, yeah, Well, thank you for noticing that, because I
was going to say, I don't really want the yuckers.
But I've got access to Mount Albert Reserve and it's
right down the bottom, so there's a gate there. So look,
I'm not immune to just throwing a bit of grass
clippings and a bit of stuff. I don't just right
at the bottom, right at the bottom.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
If you throw just like one peeled off succulent leaf.
Then within about three years, the entirety of Mount hel
But would be covered in the horrific alien Beast.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Noah, I could take it a little bit further down
the fenceway, but yeah, off is there.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I think you can do that. I think that's okay.
So what do you do with succulents? If you can't
take them to the dump.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
You can't burn them. Very difficult to poison them. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Well, I mean, if you're poison them, you've still got
a succulent there, it's just a dead one. Yeah, yeah,
good point.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
If you know what to do with yuckers, mets All
is because he's got a.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Few to get rid of. You know what they say, yuckers.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Good save, good save. Yeah, yeah, very good. Right on
to today's show, Well, speaking about looking after your guard
and we want to actually have a chat about lawn tips.
How do you get the best lawn if you've got
into it, how much the money you actually spending on
it in man hours as well, because while you're getting
rid of the yuckers, you're actually laying down what you
hope will be a beautiful, soft, creamy looking lawn.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Creamy? Is that the right objective there. I think that's
definitely not the right objectives. Lush, lush, thank you, thank you.
You can have a creamy lot. I don't want a
creamy lord. I think you're doing something wrong. You can
tell that my long game is terrible. No lawn tips
after three, We hit the big topics on Matt and
Tyler afternoons on Newstalk z'b after two though, Syler.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah, this will be a really good chat. Actually, So
Auckland councilor Julie Faery. She's spoken of the abuse she's
faced in her several years in council. One of the
ones that sticks in her mind was being called communist scum.
But it seems like a lot of elected members up
and down the country face similar A survey and the
Auckland Council found eighty one percent of elected members had
been harassed or bullied by members of the public, and

(04:56):
that council of Fairy. She went on to say she's
got several friends who would make great local government elected members,
but they've told her straight that they will not stand
because of fear of abuse.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Week. Should people be scared of abuse? Should we be
saying that people don't get into politics. You scared of abuse?
I mean, threats are one thing. Obviously, threats need to
be dealt with by the police if they're credible. But
isn't it better to learn to deal with abuse. Isn't
that what you're supposed to do. If you believe in something,
then you go into local body or central government ready

(05:28):
to take the slings and arrows for the cause. Because
you're never going to live in a world where people
don't abuse you. It's just not going to happen.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
If you're in the public eye, you cannot escape it.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
So you're going to learn to do If you're walking
around the office, you're not going to escape it. If
you're driving in a car, you're not going to escape it.
Better to learn how to deal with abuse rather than
expect the world to smooth it south out to be
this perfect place for you where you never front up
to any kind of insult. I just don't think it's possible.

(06:02):
You know there's always going to be abuse. Do you
want to you think you can change people or change yourself?
I guess would be the question. I've got to say interesting,
and even you know in the public I right, even
if five percent of us are crazy yep. Then then
that's going to be quite a lot of abuse, because
the abuse of people abuse a lot. I mean, you
look at our text machine, like ninety nine percent of

(06:23):
it is lovely stuff, but there's there's some abuse comes
through every day. We're constantly getting hassled. Maybe ninety percent
of it's nice stuff. Ten percent is an abuse just
come through and sults like there's a bunch coming through now.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
And it's the same people. You're right, Then you go
back in and see the people even to go with everybody.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
I'm sure they're the same people that are abusing you
and an eye, Yep, they'll be bloody abusing whoever in
the weekend, the weekend collective. Yep, they'll be. They'll be
then they'll be abusing their counselor it's an abuse for
three going on. So are you going to you're going
to make the universe change for you or are you
going to deal with the reality of the universe and
harden up? That will be my question.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
That's going to be interesting after talk clob But right now,
let's have a chat about the properties that our politicians own.
So a dive by The New Zealand Herald has worked
out that combined MPs are worth three hundred and seventy
nine million dollars in terms of the property that they've got.
That's an average of three million bucks across each of
our one hundred and twenty three members of Parliament. So

(07:20):
I'll just go through the top three. Actually, do we
even want to name them? No, I'll go through the
top three. So the first one was Susie Redmain. She
is the MP for Rangya Tiki and she owns twenty
four point three million dollars with a property.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
But one of those is a farm, right correct, So
she runs she owns an eighteen point five million dollar farm.
And the interesting thing about this whole list is it
doesn't take into account debt. Right, No, good point, very
good point. So do we want like because the question,
I mean, I guess the implicit suggestion here in this
article and the conversation is that someone owning property means

(07:57):
that they may make decisions that are more focused towards
people that own property. Right, Yeah, that's the implication. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
So chrisph Luxen was next at fifteen point two million dollars,
and then Barbara Crue Taranaki King Country fourteen point six million,
so again a couple of farmers there, and a lot
has been made over Christoph Luxeen's property over the last
couple of years. But it raises a big question, why
do we care about the value of the property MP's own.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, that's right one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two
nine two. Does it matter that politicians have property? Sixty
six percent of New Zealander's own property, so you would
expect there to be some people in Parliament that owned property, yea?
Or do you think there's there's an upper limited property
they should own. I mean, arguab left sixty six percent
of the property, then maybe they should be a lot

(08:44):
of it. But yeah, I mean it used to be
that only landlords could vote because you were seen to
have to own part of the country so you could vote,
and then they changed that obviously. Do you think it
makes them corrupt and likely to make choices in the
benefit of their portfolios? I mean when you go one
of you know, the farm eighteen point five million dollar farm,
it would be crazy to say that we don't want

(09:05):
any farm owners and government because you know, farming such
a huge butt of our economy, so surely you want
farmers to be represented in.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Exactly more so if anything, but I one hundred and
eighty t and eighty, I will say that if I
see a politician and I know what politicians get paid,
see a politician on that list and they don't own
any property, I'd probably question that more to say where
are your financial skills? Honestly, No, I've been honest here.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
What age politician?

Speaker 4 (09:33):
Though?

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Look if they're a newcomer and they're in their late twenties,
and I'd say fair enough, you're still fairly young at
that stage. And maybe now that you've got a good
paying job, you'll start to get into the property market.
Because that's what we're told from an early age is
that's how you can get ahead in life. It's not
just to earn money. It's a place to call home,
but it is something that you can look at at
your retirement.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Is a bit of anistic.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
That's what we've always been told in this country is
that's the way to get on the property ladder and
build them wealth.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
But the argument I guess that's been put through there
is saying if you go into parliament and you say
have three properties, then are you you going to put
forward policies or vote for policies in a way that
affects your portfolio. I mean that's that that is the
argument that's coming from the other side of it. Yeah,
but I don't. Yeah, it'd be interesting to see what
people think our weit one hundred and eighty ten eighty years.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
The number come on through and that teachs number as
we're getting plenty of techs nine two nine two.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
But let's get into this.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Do you care how much property your local politician or
any politician owns? And if you do, why love to
hear from your sixteen past one back in a mop.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
It'd be very good afternoon to you. So we are
talking about the property portfolios of our politicians?

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Do you care?

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call?

Speaker 2 (10:56):
The sixty dozen? Sorry I've already texted, but this is
a media beat up perspective. Check. New Zealand's property market
is about two point twenty five trillion. All one hundred
and twenty MPs combined only own three hundred and seventy
nine moves by barely zero point zero one seven of
the total. Had some good maths right there. This is
the same as the tobacco interests problem, sayss text. The

(11:19):
National Act are bought and sold by big business and money.
Of course, it's all National Act with the property. Okay,
there you go. It's not all national an Act. I
think you're find that Willy Jackson's up there. Yep, He's
got a lot of property. Willy Jackson's in there that
Justin Peters, Winston Peters has got a bit yep. So

(11:43):
you know, you know, the top four are all national
but one of those, I think two of those accounting farms. Yes,
And I think counting farms is kind of interesting because
as a farmer property or a business, and how much
is the farm leveraged? Exactly?

Speaker 3 (11:58):
What's the mortgage on that Celia way Brown for the
Green Party? Two point nine million, so she's up there
as well. Nine two nine two is that text number?
Get a Scott's Oh.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
Boys, you've just stolen the thunder?

Speaker 6 (12:10):
Ah?

Speaker 5 (12:14):
Well see you readmade and Barbara Kuruger what's the mortgage
on their properties?

Speaker 2 (12:20):
It's a good question, and I don't know if they've
breaking that down.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
No, jealous didn't do any investigation into it.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
I mean that's crucial, isn't it. That's a crucial part
of it.

Speaker 5 (12:31):
Just a quick question, man, how much is your place
worth that you just bought?

Speaker 2 (12:36):
I couldn't possibly say, luckily, you know what, Luckily Scott
radio hosts don't have to declear their property interest heavily leveraged.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
And what's your sorry Tyler, what's your place worth?

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Probably it's down in christ Church, so it is. It's
definitely suber mill yep, yep. And again heavily leveraged, heavily Scott.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
My property is worth a lot more since I cleared
out the yackers over the weekend.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
Bottom bottom line is I don't care what your places
with I don't care what the n s places are with.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
You.

Speaker 5 (13:18):
That's a third world question that we're dealing in the
first world question. We're dealing with you who cares?

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Yeah, you'd prefer I mean, does that say to you
that they've been clever in life? That you want to
see people in those positions that have actually achieved something
and done well with their finances.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
I don't know. Do they come to the city Redman
and Barbara Kuruga come from farming families or do their
husbands come from farming family.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Barbara Krueger definitely does I know that she's She's been
many generations of farmers and the Krugers and the Taranaki
king country. As for Susie Redmain, I'd have to do
some digging on that.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, the original thing you're like one of the other
things you're saying, Scott. It's an interesting thing to say
to someone you know you are worth, say your house
is worth one point five million, and someone saying you're
a millionaire, but if you are one point three million
to the bank, you're arguably the exact opposite of a millionaire.
You're you're a negative one point three milliennire.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
Yeah, you know absolutely so whoever wrote that story, and
I would love to know how much new places we
were actually make should have done it. But a research
and said, so is the property freehold or do you
have a mortgage on it now? Scott, And I'm guessing
the farms are runners commercial empathies. You're not going to
be a lifestyle block.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, And I think we absolutely a few people would
say they wouldn't want farmers in government, considering how huge
the agricultural sector is to our economy, so you'd want
you would want farming representation in government. But do you
think Scott, say you're in parliament right and you own
five houses, say this is a totally hypothetical question, and

(14:50):
there was a vote and the vote damage your portfofolio portfolio?
Would you would you be big enough and ethically right
minded enough if you thought it was the right thing
to do that you vote for for a way that
damaged your portfolio?

Speaker 5 (15:08):
Hard to see, it would be hard to envisage a
question that would impact it to that degree, such as
the taking away the tax relief in come on rental properties.
But it's very simple for an MP, if that they
were in that position, to reduce themselves from the vote.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
But what would you think? So you would you would
think that that that they should recuse themselves from the
vote just generally, or if they felt that they had
a bias on the situation, if you know what I mean, Like,
do you think that all if it comes to a
vote on landlords and what tax they can do, that
anyone that's a landlord didn't vote on that.

Speaker 5 (15:51):
I mean, there has been very little legislation introduced which
is dramatically or drastically changed the market that much. I mean,
we introduced healthy homes. Landlords dealt with it. We introduced
the removal of the ring fencing on the tax deduction,
not the removal of the tax, just the deduct against
personal incomes. That didn't affect a lot of landlords. Sit down,

(16:13):
it didn't affect a lot of landlords who run their
property professionally and well. Doesn't matter if you're an MP,
or you're a civil architect or a landscape gardner who
just have bought a couple of or rental property or
a couple of rental properties when you're young and smart,
or a spec builder. Most of it doesn't affect well

(16:36):
commercial property owners or residential or even rural property owners
that most of the decisions made in Parliament don't affect
them to the extent that they would have to consider
selling their property asset.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
What about capital gains tax which has been brought through
you know labours saying that that's what they want to
bring in if they get in a capital gains tax,
but they keep saying things like it won't include the
family home because and you could argue that all of them,
nearly all of them in labor I imagine judging how
old most politicians are own a family home. So you

(17:09):
could question, you could say, well, why is it is
it does not include the family home, and we actually
know why it is because they know they can't get
elected with the family home. But you see what I
mean across the board at the capital gains tax and
how you sit on that does affect, it does affect.
You know, you're nearly everyone in parliament.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
I'd say, only from the introduction of the property, and
again going back to to the redmin and Barbara Kuragan,
they would put forward that the farm is the main
place of residence. Yes it's a farm, and yes it
might be worth eighteen millions, Okay, it's a big dairy operation.
While I looks at it, that's the main place. That's

(17:51):
the family home. It just happens to be that the
family home is on a commercial, commercially run property, but
it's still the family home. So they would have very
smart lawyers and very smart accountants, as would all the
rural community and potentially some of the commercial owning community
as well. Will work your way around that should it
ever come in through whatever party.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, I think if you, of course Scott appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Interesting point just on the you know, whether they've got
a conflict of interest and they make a vote, I'd
still argue, as you mentioned that step before, sixty six
percent of New Zealand as a homeowners right. So when
you look at a party like National and I think
it's different for some of the smallest parties. They've got
their niche or their area that they're trying to go for.
But when your National Labor, you want as many people
as possible across the line. So I would stand by

(18:36):
they're not voting for self interest, They're voting to represent
sixty six percent of the population. But many people would
argue and ken you hear from you, Oh eight hundred
and eighty teen eighty is that number?

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Have you ever taken a stance on talkback radio that
benefits you?

Speaker 7 (18:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (18:51):
All the time, the headlines and the hard questions. It's
the make asking breakfast time.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Minister is with us? Now do you want to talk
about the coup? The what the coup? Well, but the
christ Bishop coup is coming for you. I said, what
I'm listening. I can be honest, I'm mightly hard to
take this seriously because I've had all of this before.
I'm listening to Heather Duplicy, Allen, He's coming for you. Look,
I don't think that is the case. He is a
great minister, he's a good friend, and he's doing an awesome job.
Where has all this come from him?

Speaker 4 (19:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
It's hard to take it seriously. As I said before,
I've been reading this stuff ever since I came here,
but I'm very focused on what I've got to do.
You will lead the National Party to the elections in
twenty twenty six, absolutely, no question, No question. Back tomorrow
at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with a Vida
News Talk ZEDB News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
So we're talking about the properties that politicians own, and
there's been a bit of a deep dive in the
hero about that. The question we put to you is
do you care if there is a politician that has
multimillions of dollars worth of property? Does that matter to
you O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Or the reverse, Guys, I'm worried about the large representation
of less wealthy politicians and government. This clearly influences a
decision towards supporting poorer people and bettering their own situation.
I would, as you said, Tyler, And I don't know
where my opinions come from. They just bubble up from
the primitive side of my head. But if there was

(20:13):
a politician in their forties in government and they were
still renting, I would go, what have you been up to?
If you've got a drug problem, well.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yeah, exactly, I'll judge them and say there's something going
on here.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, I mean I've got a dark past. I mean,
I'm not blaming it. Like people can make their decisions
about renting. Absolutely in some people, for whatever reason in
their lives don't own their houses and their forties whatever.
But if you're a politician and you're putting your hand
up to lead people, I'd think you'd want to at
least have the fiscal know how to end up with
a property. Yeah, after you know, in your forties, right exactly.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
And most of them, I mean, if you're an MP,
you get paid at least one hundred and eighty thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Most of them are on more than that.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
If that, if you can't afford a mortgage on that,
it's just one salary, then you've you know, sometimes got
a partner who's earning income as well.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
But even if you get but especially if you go
into politics in late life, so if you're looking around
at the world and going, I haven't managed to get
a house, but I'm the kind of person that can
make the kind of right decisions that mean I should
be in Parliament. Yeah, exactly. I mean there's probably a
logical floor in there, and someone can point that out
on eight hundred and eighteen eighty. But my I'd look
at them and go, why gambling problem?

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Right, we're a little bit late to the headlines, but
we've got full wards at the moment. If you can't
get through, keep trying. After the headlines, we're gonna have
a chet with Trevor. He's not happy with Willy Jackson.
I don't know why he's not happy with Willy Jackson,
but we're gonna find out.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
It's going to be good, all right. That's coming up.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
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Speaker 2 (22:54):
Thank you very much. Wendy.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
So we are talking about a story in the Herald
it breaks down how much property politicians own and gives
a value to that. But Bryce Edwards, he's a political
analyst and he was speaking to Ryan Bridge this morning
and Ryan asks Ryan, excuse me why we should care?

Speaker 9 (23:10):
Yeah, I mean obviously there's some curiosity about what MPs own,
but it has some big ramifications for democracy, for policy making,
for housing justice, for I guess the trust of voters
in their representatives. Because this really shows that we have
a parliament of a very rich well three hundred and

(23:35):
eighty million dollars worth collectively or average three million dollars
in property each MP. This does mean that these aren't
ordinary citizens and that they when they're making decisions on
housing it, you know, there can be something of a
conflict of interest and it might explain why we don't
have some big changes to affordable housing over every parliament.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Essentially, it's an interesting thing. I mean, he's a very
smart man and I still love when he collated all
the news together. But a what's housing justice? It's a
new catchphrase and heard but do you want parliament? He
says that these aren't ordinary new Zealanders for a starter.
Push back on that a little bit, and that sixty
six percent of New Zealander's own property sixty six percent, right, Yeah,

(24:21):
so so you know you are in the you are
with the majority of New Zealanders if your two thirds right,
And that's up from that, that's down from high. The
highest ever property ownership was I think nineteen nineteen it
was seventy one, So we're pretty high up. I mean,
property ownership hasn't really dropped off, right, so you're not
really you are pretty ordinary if your own property. And

(24:43):
also don't you want extraordinary people? Their politics wouldn't by
their definition, the people that become MPs be above average
and their achievement in life.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Do you ever see a blurb on any politician place
say I haven't really done anything in life. I'm just
happy to be here. I mean you look at that
and thinking, cheapers, how did that guy get there?

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Or lady, I'm representing people that have achieved nothing, because
I have achieved nothing. Trevor, Welcome to the show. Hey, guys,
tell you very good, Thank you.

Speaker 10 (25:14):
I want to talk about a couple of politicians have
got time mainly on the thought that I have that.
In general, I'm saying, in general, left wing politicians are
anti landlords, anti super rich people because they're out of
touch with real life. And in general, generally speaking exclusively
right wing politicians sort of applaud that and take a

(25:34):
different positive attitude to it. And a couple of people
I want to mention as Willy Jackson. I mean, I
just find old Willy. I think he owns four properties
linked with family, you know, listed on the family and
you know, and of course I've heard the rhetoric out
of Willy greedy landlords, why do you want more than
one house and.

Speaker 6 (25:53):
Stuff like that, And Willy's sitting there with four properties.

Speaker 10 (25:55):
And I just want to know if Willy's going to
vote for the capital gains tax if it comes in.

Speaker 11 (26:00):
I want to know of Willy.

Speaker 10 (26:01):
As soon as it happened, he started claiming back refunds
on his proper You know that the labor that the
National Party brought in, that labor hated, you know, talky
rich land, We're giving tax cuts the landlords.

Speaker 11 (26:16):
I'm just wondering of.

Speaker 10 (26:18):
Willy very quickly started to claim all the costs he
could do on his properties. And you know, I think
if he asked Willy. He would probably say, oh, I
don't do that. I leave it to my accountant, to
which we laugh when they come up with an answer
like that, and another person in the monton is just
sinda done. Look, I just remember just in the you know,

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she programmed all of her life, she focused all of
her political life on a capital gains tax, and then
when she got into power and had total utter control
to vote that in capital gains tax, especially in the
second term. They didn't even want the Greens justin to
come out and tell New Zealand, kepital gains tax will

(27:00):
not will not come under under or under power when
when I'm the leader.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Do you think there was Do you think there was
a political move ever in that it doesn't help your
position polling wise, and on election day if you you know,
as we said before, sixty six percent of people own properties,
so at capital gains tax is unpopular. Did you think
it was for financial personal financial gain or for political capital?

Speaker 10 (27:27):
Well you did, right, I mean if it's political like
she sort of said that first and forellnos, not that
she really wanted to do it because of her political future.
You know, that's just not the cinder. We know she
was lovely, she'd never mislead anybody. She is truthful, she
was honest, and I'd like to know with Jasinda and
absolutely good honor because I'm on the other side of

(27:48):
this God on all the money she's made and the
money she's making now. You know she talks to groups
of people overseas where she can get in the hundreds
of thousands of people talking to a group of people.
Her husband was a successful TV star.

Speaker 12 (28:04):
Or movie star.

Speaker 10 (28:05):
And I would love to know it's just in any
just inquisitive. Really, he wouldn't love to know inquisitive has
just sender got any money involved in property?

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, yes, she has house in Mount Hell but I believe.

Speaker 10 (28:20):
Yeah, that's Robert.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Is that the only one I don't know? See that
now she's now now, now she's out of parliament, she
doesn't have to declare any of this kind of stuff.
And yeah, she's absolutely doing very very well overseas. Commands
a good price, she's making bank Yeah, yeah, mate, guys.

Speaker 10 (28:37):
Can you call Willy? And I asked Willy as soon
as he could, did he start getting the tax rebates
on his rental properties that apparently labor hated National for
bringing in because I was giving money to faulty landlords,
faulty rich landlords.

Speaker 11 (28:51):
Ring WILLI I ask him, is.

Speaker 10 (28:53):
He get on the gravy train and collected that money back?
And does he charge market rents for his properties? Or
is he a nice time land rule that he tries
out to me that he gives people properties under the
value of what the market says? A lovely dance.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Okay, well, I'll tell you what. We'll we'll reach out
to Willie Jackson and see if you'll talk to us.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
Willie, if you're listening, well you're Willie wille oh eight
hundred You.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Know what that references? You won't it's Journy's no TV show, elf?

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Okay, you're will It's very good. Yeah, that was a
great TV show by the way. Yeah, all right, we'll
try and get ahold of Willie Jackson.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
According to this list that was in the Herald today,
Willie Jackson sits at number seventeen on the Politician's property list,
worth five point six million dollars worth of property.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Nice for Willie oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call. Coming up next, we have a
chat with Mark, who thinks it's pathetic envy.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
It is eighteen to two.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
The issues that affect you and a bit of fun
along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News
Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
It is tune your mic on Tyler, it is a
quarter to turn. And we're talking about politicians property, A
big deep dive in the Herald sees how much they own.
But why should we care?

Speaker 5 (30:03):
Now?

Speaker 2 (30:03):
This is a good pushback on something I said. I've
achieved a lot. I've saved people's lives. I've protected New Zealanders,
dangerous murderers and put a few inside too. I think
I've achieved more than many ever will. But I have
absolutely nothing to show for it. But I've achieved a lot. Yes,
So we were talking before about how and I said
that there's probably a logical flaw in it. But if
I saw a politician in Parliament that didn't own a

(30:24):
property and they were renting and they were like, let's
say forty eight, I'd be lying, have you got a
gambling problem?

Speaker 5 (30:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (30:30):
What happened in your past? Do you enjoy a little
bit of the old you know, nose candy? You know
what's your problem?

Speaker 5 (30:38):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (30:38):
But that's a very good point, they pointed out. But
on their resume they said that they had devoted their
life to something, so they had achieved a lot. Like
this person a text. It would be a totally different
thing if on their resume to get elect elected, if
they listed what they had achieved and it was putting
this many murderers away, helping this many people, and they

(30:59):
did it selflessly, and they haven't earned a lot of money,
then I'd be like, well, that's an awesome achievement and
you deserve to be in parliament because you've achieved something,
as you said, Tyler. If they haven't achieved anything, if
they on the on their on their blurb that said
haven't really done much, and I'm representing the people haven't
really done much, you'd be like, wow, yeah, that's not great.

(31:22):
Go on mate, Yes, yeah it's not. It's not all
property and money. I agree with that, But people like
that person absolutely, Mark, how are you?

Speaker 5 (31:30):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (31:31):
You very good? What do you reckon?

Speaker 13 (31:34):
It's just we've got a chronic case in this country
of tall poppy syndrome, but we keep trying to cut
people down for doing well.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
And I just.

Speaker 13 (31:43):
Have a brain and make money and and go ahead
and life should be celebrated, not always pat down at
the knees.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yes, it'd be interesting if this was listed the other
way round, so you instead of going from biggest proper
property portfolio, you went from lowest up and be interested.
People thought about that judgment because there is an implicit
judgment in this list, isn't there?

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Mark?

Speaker 5 (32:09):
Oh? Yeah?

Speaker 13 (32:09):
And I mean we do it with everything, whether it's sport.
We're so so quick to jump on people and being successful.
You know, they only have to put one toe out
of the line and they get jumped on. Now, we
should be proud and happy that we're doing well and
people can get ahead and do things well, not try
and hold people back. And let's seems to be what's
happening at the moment.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
You get on your mart Do you think part of
it is that, look, politicians trust has gone down a
little bit. But there's something in people's mind when they
think of politicians that they don't deserve to have the
wealth that they've got, or they get worried about how
much politicians get paid. Where I would hope that someone
like Peter Beek, for example, he's now a billionaire and
you see what he's done with that company, and I'm

(32:52):
sure there are some tool poppy out there people out there.
When it comes to own house, I'm imagine he owns
multiple scarm scarm. But there's something about when people think
about politicians. It is politicians solely who get slammed from
having anything thing. I've got a house, How dare you?
How did you get there? Why do you deserve that?
So what is it about our mentality when it comes

(33:13):
to politicians?

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Well, I think the thing is tyler the as Bryce
Edwards was suggesting that you will vote in a way
to protect your portfolio. But you know, you couldn't argue
that anywhere. If you if you see if a politician
rides up to Parliament and a horse, you like this guy,
this guy is going to be voting uh you know
pro horse, pr Yeah, you know pro horse. You know

(33:39):
if you saw David Seymour vaping out the front of Parliament,
You're like, yeah, he's going to vote pro voping. You know,
just living in the country, you are affected by everything
in the country, aren't you. Yep, so you're you are
going to vote within your your principles. And I mean,
is there anyone in Parliament that has zero self interest.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Yeah, good point, Dan, what do you reckon about this?

Speaker 14 (34:03):
I've always enjoy your show. Thank you, curiosity.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Good question.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Let's do a bit of a deep dive here because
I've just listed the top ten and he's not quite
in that in that arena, but Chris Hopkin's property standby,
so so here we go. So he's a trustee of
a family trust. So they've got a family home in
upper Huts that's jointly owned. They've got a Rumadi self

(34:34):
property and that's owned by a trust in. Both properties
have mortgages with WISPEC Bank.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Doesn't he have a bat? Isn't he doesn't he run
a batch as well?

Speaker 3 (34:43):
That's the one in Romati, that's the bats.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
That makes sense.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yeah, yeah, so two properties and in terms of the
extra valuable I do.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Not like to talk about politicians' private life, but hasn't
he recently gone through a separation with his wife? He has,
and he's got this this new partner on the go. Yeah,
so it's just proposed, so he not speaking from an experience,
but speaking of experience, you can half your money pretty
easily when that happens. What's Tony brings on the table. Yeah,

(35:13):
so so what do you think about that, Dan, Where
Hopkins sits on the.

Speaker 14 (35:16):
List, Well, it's he's a bloody hypocrite, you know. I
mean to say, you know, I don't like the guy anyway,
but it's as soon as somebody or anything that happens
that it's good as well that they said to slam it.
And no doubt he'll do luxon eventually.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Well.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Well, to be fair, Dan, Chris Hopkins hasn't put together
this list. It's Chris Knocks for the Insured Herald that's
put together this list.

Speaker 14 (35:43):
No, no, no, no. What I'm playing is that he he'll
come out for sure and criticized Lucks and prehaddant.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Oh yeah he has. Yeah, it's that about a month
ago he did. Yeah, you're right, you're right, Dan. He
has been hitting him on on his wealth, yeah, which
is yeah, you know that only works for that only
works for his base. I guess there are certain people
in the place, but you know, there are you know,
I mean, Willie Jackson's got a lot of property there,
there are there are labor people that doing very well.
And you know Chris Hipkins, he's got a beach house

(36:11):
that's done pretty well exactly. But I wouldn't progudge him
for doing well either. No, you know, I mean you could,
you could point out that that's hypocritical for him to
hassel Luxan when Hopkins is doing better than most. But
I think you know, if you're if you're on the
side of things where you think that people doing well

(36:31):
is a qualification for parliament, then the fact that Chris
Hipkins has done well from himself is not any reason
to dislike him, even if he's on left or right.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Right, Key, we dream, I'd love your batch. Right, it
is eight minutes to two, beg very shortly. Keen to
get your views on Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
news talk.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Sa'd be very good afternoon, ju Peter, We've got about
sixty seconds.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
You reckon. It's a beat up.

Speaker 15 (37:04):
Oh one hundred percent.

Speaker 7 (37:06):
It's a beat up.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
So you don't care at all how many properties any
politician owns.

Speaker 15 (37:13):
People always forget that there's a hell of a lot
of people in New Zealand that absolutely need to rent
because they simply can't afford to buy a property. They're
twenty three years old, they've just got their first job,
and the country desperately relies on people to be able
to afford to have rental properties. And why should we

(37:35):
be prying into these guys. It's just if I was
that way inclined to want to be a politician, it'd
be another reason why I wouldn't want to to have
that kind of scrutiny piled upon my personal affairs. I
think it's an intrusion, and it's just more to poppy
syndrome from New Zealand's New Zealand's left and the people

(37:57):
who are desperately envious of anybody who's managed to do
well for themselves.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
I think if you called Peter, the six is how
much did you pay for your house? Matt, you don't
mind asking how much other people earn and what's their
property is worth? Tell us grow some nuts. Well, no,
I didn't ask for the what politicians they have to
state what it is. And then there was an article
on the paper today listing but I'm private citizens, so
I don't need to say anything.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah, politicians are very different because we pay this salary.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah, so I don't need to grow some nuts.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Yeah, or kind of nuts, peanuts.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Hayter, walnut. We had a lot of walnuts on the
farm growing up, and I was so disappointed that was
the nut we had.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
What is wrong with you? Walnuts are the best of us.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Cashew nuts come on creat Omega three and walnuts Vega six.
I've gone off peace anyway, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Great discussion coming up after two abuse and how you
deal with it?

Speaker 4 (38:49):
Talking with you all afternoon.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons, used talks.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
It'd be for a good afternoon to you. Six past two.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
How I'm going to answer this text that came through Brendan.
I've been away, Brandon asks, this is the text I've
been away for ten days. Did you run your marathon?

Speaker 5 (39:07):
Matt?

Speaker 2 (39:08):
You did, but also you should see the disgusting toll
that running a marathon if you're maybe not really prepared
to run a marathon, like I wasn't dust to your foot.
One of my toenails just came off from the just
like all my toenails are now black. Yeah, and one
of them just came off, no pain at all, just
the entire toenail is off. Actually, if you want to
check it out, I posted a picture of my foot

(39:31):
to my instagram Matt heath in z. Yep. Just go
to my Instagram, click on the story and I put
my foot there and just asking if anyone wanted to
pay for it in an only fans way, because you
know there's whatever you got, there's someone that's into it, right, yeah,
so I forget disgusting orangutang foot worth a couple of
the nails missing, Maybe someone's into it. So I just

(39:52):
posted a picture of at madt heath in Zi to
see if you know, I could rustle up some money,
make a bit of a side hustle on people that
are into gross, distorted, deformed marathon runners foot it's it is,
mankey man.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
If there's kids around or you're at work, just to
not say for work situation, just just be cautious when
you open up that photo.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
I'm gonna hear it. There you go, tyler, there you go.
Look at that cheap as the state of there.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
I mean you actually put oh man, what you put
your poor feet through? Man, that's gross and and you're
quite right the get between your big toe and your
second big toe, that's huge.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yeah, it's weird. It's a deformity. That's a deformity. When
I was a kid, if my mum never saw me
with my shoes off, she'd go, oh god, you've got
your father's feet. You'd be a good climb of those
at least thing to send a rangatan. Absolutely, but you
would be surprised. So I've put up that you'll be surprised.
I've put up this shot on my foot on Instagram. Yep,

(40:50):
and no one wants to pay for it. Well, just like,
would you pay for more shots of my foot? Yeah?
DM me? No one, No one yet, no one? All right,
there's six six eight hundred people have viewed the picture
so far. Not a single person wants to pay me
for more shots of my feet.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
I'm not surprised, mate, Very good fans. Economy is a myth, right,
let's get into this one. This will be an interesting conversation.
It's about abuse and this was after a Auckland councilor,
Julie Faery. She has spoken out about the abuse she's
faced in her several years in council, so one of
the things she quoted in the story was being a
communist scum that was something memorable for her, but it

(41:29):
also seems like a lot.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
How did she cope with being called communist scum? That
must have boy, she would just spend three days in
the Burns unit. I mean that's pretty low level. Called
communist scum every thirty seconds. Yeah, yeah, and I'm not
being called a fascist. And it seems most elected members
at Auckland Council, and this is the same around councils
across New Zealand a facing similar so survey found eighty

(41:54):
one percent of being rastal bullied by members of the
public and council of Fairy went on to say she's
got several friends who would make great local government elected members,
but they've told her that they will not stand because
of fear of abuse. So I was at the refuse
transfer center and the concourse refused transfer center, and when
I was going through the you know the way thing,

(42:17):
there was this big sign. It had a picture of
a woman and it said all her achievements and then
at the end it said abused. It's an achievement. No, no,
it was trying to it was making her a person,
and that the last thing it said that she had
received abuse. Right, abuse is unacceptable and I was just thinking,
is that really does that really matter?

Speaker 5 (42:37):
Like?

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Am I this might be a philo philosophical discussion this hour,
But do we want the world should should people be
scared of abuse? I mean threats are one thing. Obviously,
the threats to your personal safety, family, anything like that.
That's a police issue, right, But isn't it better to

(42:57):
learn to deal with the abuse rather than expect to
live in a world where people never say anything mean
to you? Like you could spend all the money you
want counsel on these these campaigns to stop people abusing you,
but it will never make any difference because there's been
an abuse forever. Yeah, I mean people have been getting

(43:18):
offended forever. I mean look at the Bible. Alisha, you
know Alisha when he was he was accosted by juveniles
on his way up to Bethel, and they mocked his
lack of hair, yelling, go up, bald head, go up,
bald head. Poor Alicia. Well these kids got theirs because
the Alicia cursed the kids and the next day two

(43:40):
female beers came out of the forest and mauled forty
two of those juveniles. Yeah, it's actually more complicated that story.
What go up and bald head meant anyway, as often
things in the Bible are more complicated. But anyway, people
have been abused forever, and they will be abused forever.
That's that's the way of the universe. So and you know,
any percentage and the percentage of the population that are
just abusing, maybe let's just say I'm making up this number.

(44:03):
Five percent do a lot of abusing, unhinged, unhanged. Yeah,
so you're not going to go into politics because you
don't want to hear what the five percent have to say.
It seems like you should just learn to deal with that.
Do you you know, do you run away from politics
or do you harden yourself to abuse? Because there's always
been abuse, don't we want people in charge to be

(44:24):
the toughest among us who believe in doing the right
thing despite the slings and arrows, I mean, communists, scum.
You know, it's pretty low level that there have been
politicians that have had to risk their life for what
they believe it. But if you just getting a little
bit of abuse online, then I mean, I think we
need to teach children and teach members of society that

(44:47):
you know, there are ways to deal with abuse and
it is to be above it.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Yeah, this is different to what you're talking about here.
But does that to part of it come into it
that you remove yourself from where the abuse is happen
happening aka social media or does that defeat the purpose
because what you're saying is you're going to face abuse
in your life and you're going to face in and
you've got to tackle that head on. If it's not true,

(45:12):
then it doesn't really matter. If it is true then
and you wrote about this in your book.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Oh you're talking about this. Yeah, the stoic principle on
you know. I'll go into those things, but yeah, I
mean the basic thing. And as it's said by is
a guy called Enzulganger who's a great philosopher, a Dutch philosopher. Anyway,
he put it this way. Someone says something to you,
insert insult. Is it true? If yes, then it's not

(45:39):
an insult. Why be offended by it? If no, then
it's nonsense. So you just ask if it's true or not.
If it's true what they say. Someone calls you communist scum,
you go, am I communist scum? And if it's true,
then that's not an insult that's true and say thank
you very much, thank you very much for the information
on both communists and scum. But if it's not true,

(46:00):
then you go, well, this is nonsense. So how can
I possibly be offended by something that's not anything that's
not true? Right? So there's a very simple way to
put things through true, right.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
I mean it's easy when you get called a fascist
and a communist at the same time. I mean, you
realize what both of those things are crazy and you're
an unhitched five percenter. But love to you your thoughts
on this. I we one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
When it comes to people in elected positions, is there
an element of thick skin that you need? And it's
confidence in yourself? Right, That's where it comes from. That
self confidence that I don't really care what's some nump

(46:31):
they I don't know says, because I know you know,
I'd never go to that person for advice.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
You embrace all the opinions of the people in your constituents.
You embrace all their opinions, and then you go through
and you analyze them. If there's someone yelling abuse at you,
if it's not true, then you just put that aside.
But the idea that you would go into politics and
be shielded from what people say, that's a crazy idea.

(46:56):
And I just wonder if we're teaching people the wrong thing.
There's always that words of violent stuff that's been taught
to people, and I think we need to get back
to the sticks and stones will break my bones, words
will never hurt me thin, right, interesting idea?

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Yeah, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call? Really, can you get your thoughts on this?
Nine two ninety two is the text number as well.
It is a quarter past two. You're listening to Matt
and Tyler Good afternoons.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah, wow, your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor
Adams afternoons.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Call Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk said be.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Seventeen past two. So we're talking about facing abuse. This
is from an Auckland elected councilor who said that she's
faced abuse her whole time in council several years, and
one of the ones that was memorable to her was
communist scum.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
And she's saying that a bunch of people won't that
she knows won't go into politics because they're worried about
the abuse. Yeah, I think we need to change our
opinion and teach people to be able to deal with abuse,
rather than expecting the universe to change such that there's
no abuse, which has never been the case in the
history of human kind. Jeremy, welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (48:06):
How are you very good?

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Thanks for call.

Speaker 7 (48:10):
I quite enjoy getting a little bit of abuse. I've
been one of my first jobs working at a call seems,
and I was only one of the ones that quite
enjoyed taking those calls, or taking those calls off other people,
because there's something quite satisfying about your response and how
you respond to it in a way that's professional and

(48:33):
you're sort of upholding your integrity, but at the same
time you're kind of not putting people in their place,
but you're just you're it's the truth, and it's quite satisfying.
It's the same on social media. I've recently be aborted
what on doing on local board and instantly I got
immediately abuse online from the usual no named anonymous member

(48:55):
on social media. But like I say, it's quite satisfying
when you can respond in a sort of professional But
I don't know not Ssnami's not the right word, but
sort of a way that's quite mission and you kind
of I kind of get a kick out of it
because you know that those people that are abusing you online,
they're abusing you anonymously. They've got no grounds for any

(49:16):
of the basis of what you're saying. It's just that
you're always just going to get those people. But I
can find it oddly satisfying responding to those people.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
I think it was Marcus Raleis. It was actually Marcus
Rallis and Meditations. He wrote the best revenge is to
not be like them. So if there's someone that's abusing
you and you can be above them and smarter than
them and more tolerant and everything that they're not, you
actually a makes you feel better about yourself. But it
also wins the argument because and it's very infuriating. It's

(49:49):
hugely infuriating to be that the you know, they talk
about the rock that isn't moved by the river. You're
just sitting there being yourself, being professional, doing the right thing.
There's no bed to come back.

Speaker 16 (49:59):
Jeremy one hundred percent agree. And like I say, there's
something part of me that like's knowing what's happening on
the other side, and then getting wound up by your
professional response. I don't know, oddly satisfying, but you're always
going to get it. There's always going to be those
members on social media who post anonymously who are just
going to pick it absolutely everything you say, and you've

(50:21):
just got to take it. If you're entering into any
kind of politics as water off a duchback, you've got
to be integral and too in terms of yourself and
what you believe.

Speaker 7 (50:30):
And I don't think there should stop anyone from doing
anything like that, because those are the kind of people
we need, and those kind of positions.

Speaker 5 (50:35):
We need.

Speaker 7 (50:36):
People that can wear a little bit of abuse. But
at the end of the day, you're not there for
the abuse. You're there to make a difference within your
community or whatever it is you're doing. And that's just
a little part of it.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
And it doesn't mean that the people that are abusing
them aren't bad people. I mean, it's not sticking up
for the people that are abusing them. They are They
are the losers in the situation. They are the people
that are screaming into the void. They are the people
that are behaving poorly. But it's almost if you allow
them to get to you, you're giving them more than
they deserve. They want to take a piece off you,

(51:09):
and you can you can. You know, as they say,
you take offense, So you can choose not to take offense.
You know you can. You can. Just if you have
not taken offense, then you haven't been offended and you
haven't given them the power over you. And that's what
I often think. It's so you can walk around. There's
there's there's this idea that you can walk around and
you'd be really annoyed if you got kidnapped, right, you'd

(51:31):
be like they'd be annoying if you got thrown in
the back of a van and got kidnapped. Yep, that
would suck. But yet we just walk around and hand
over our mind to anyone that says something slightly nasty
to us. Yeah, and then we spend the rest of
the day, maybe sometimes even weeks, just angry about some
insult that someone gave us, and we give them the
time of day and we get stressed and we've handed
over our mind. We've let someone kidnap our mind.

Speaker 5 (51:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (51:53):
And I think the more you buy into that, and
the more that you respond in a negative way. Like
you say, it spurs the mind and it's not going
to stop that behavior. And like I say, some of them,
you just.

Speaker 5 (52:04):
Never stop that behavior. That is what it is.

Speaker 7 (52:06):
I'll always be that way. But I think if more
people stand up for themselves and stand up for what
they believe in and just speaks the truth, it's never
going to be an issue. And maybe you'll stop some
of that kind of behavior. Maybe you won't with a lot,
but you might with some.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Yeah, yeah, you might with some, but then there'll be
always other ones. I mean, that's the thing. That's that's
the world we live in. You better to sort yourself
out than expect the world to sort itself out for you. Yeah, hey,
thank you so much for you call, Jeremy. I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
I mean I've always loved I think maybe it's slightly different,
but the kill them with kindness attitude, which is, you know,
staying above it. I've always liked that, but sometimes it
is hard to do, depending on who's who's thrown out
the insults. Sometimes if it's out in public or someone
cuts me off, I let my.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Anger take over.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
But I think if I can kill kill them with
kindness and stay above them. There is like Jeremy said,
it's a nice feeling.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Best response to abuse was Chloe Swarbrick when her billboard
was to face with woke Lesbo. Her response was just
I mean, yeah, now that's a great response. It took
to burn away. Yeah, yeah, well done. Gold.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call?
Do we need politicians with some thicker skin in dealing
with some of the abuse that they have.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
And just generally across the board, do we need to reset?
I feel like we have moved into a time in
the general thinking across New Zealand society where if you
are abused, you get upset about it and it wounds
you deeply. And that's kind of what's taught that we
need to try and stop the abuse. Or do we
need to move back to the old school way of

(53:38):
doing it where you learn to harden up and you
learn to deal with abuse because the abuse is always
going to be there.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Yeah, come on through. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is that number to call. Ninety two nine two is
the text. It's twenty four past two.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on used talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Twenty six past two.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
Do we need to get a little bit harder when
it comes to insults and abuse we face?

Speaker 2 (54:06):
It's interesting I was saying that that's, you know, the
concept that we hate to get kidnapped, but we will
let people take over our mind at will. It's a
nice salogy. We would fight a lot before we're thrown
in the back of a van, but we walk past someone,
they insult us, and we let them take over our
mind for a period of time. And it's sort of
just the idea that you need, that we need. We should,

(54:30):
I believe, teach people how to deal with insults, rather
than telling people that you are right to be hurt
by an insult, because because then the insults actually succeed.
We need to we need to shield people, teach people
how to protect themselves from insults, rather than trying to
live in this imaginary world where no one will live
an insult you, and that you shouldn't go into politics

(54:52):
because you might get insulted. Maybe you should learn how
to deal with insults. But this Texas says, I have
been kidnapped twice overseas on both times it was very inconvenient,
but had to let go after escaping girl stealing.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
We'll goot on your Joel for getting over there.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
But that kind of makes my points actually being kidnapped,
because people the way people talk about being insulted now,
it's like it's the end of the world and that
they've actually been injured. Yeah, but that's but when you
compare it to actually been kidnapped, it's nothing.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Yeah, to steal on it for as you say, sometimes
years Elaine, how are you.

Speaker 12 (55:28):
Good afternoon?

Speaker 17 (55:29):
No my text, but I wasn't expecting.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
A Well, well, god on you for giving up as
a buzz because we've seen it and you have spent
six years as a counselor, and you faced quite a
bit of abuse during your time as a counselor.

Speaker 17 (55:43):
Well, not quite a bit of abuse in one short
sentence over that period of time. When you're in a
position of soorty and you realize, you know, your salary,
as small as it was then, is paid for by

(56:04):
their rates, they tend to think that they own you
and would just put anything down on the public public
Facebook pages or if there was an issue or something
like that.

Speaker 12 (56:18):
But you never ever reacted.

Speaker 17 (56:20):
And you don't give them any ammunition to fire back
at you. So I got stood up one day and
I said, I don't get paid enough to be spoken
to like that, walked away.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Did you did you? Did any of it get through
your defenses? Did any of it? You know? You know,
question yourself emotionally?

Speaker 17 (56:44):
Oh, Jacobs, No, I'm I'm in my seventies, and I
mean and I was still farming when I was asked
to stand to represent the rural sector. And I mean,
I like helping people. But those days in farming, or
even now, you you grew up and you you were
hard minded. I think they were all too soft minded

(57:05):
these days to be to let that sort of stuff
most of the abuse would they'd never have enough guts
to say it to your face.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Yeah, And do you think that maybe that the way
we're being taught now, and young people are being taught,
and their discourse in public, saying that abuse is so
bad kind of gives power to the abuser because you're
saying that that it does injure people. Where was I

(57:35):
say that the message to be the abuse is a loser.
I don't care. Let's move on.

Speaker 17 (57:42):
You know there was there was something in our in
our in our older people, and when we were younger,
you know, sticks and.

Speaker 12 (57:50):
Stones would break your bones.

Speaker 17 (57:53):
That's saying was to teach you to harden up, so
you don't react to the person who's you know, throwing
a stick in the bone, you know, And it's the
I'm saying less, there's more.

Speaker 12 (58:08):
You don't react, that's your best response.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
Now, I don't know if you ever faced this, Alane,
but a lot of people do imposter syndrome, and you know,
it's kind of the hidden thing that some people are
starting to talk about now. But that's hard, right if
you you're a first time counselor and you face that
imposter syndrome that a lot of a lot of us face,
and then you get that abuse and to your point, Matt,
if it's not true, don't buy into it. If it
is true, thank them. But a lot of people facing

(58:33):
imposter syndrome wouldn't know whether it's true, and they get
enough of it and start to dealt themselves. So that
can be a difficult thing in public life. I imagine
a lane to try and fight that.

Speaker 17 (58:45):
Ah, well, what's that saying again? If you can't stand
the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Yeah, fair enough to do. And you should. You should
be doubting yourself and questioning yourself all the time. So
if someone's seeing something through then you should question it
and see if there's any logic. And you know, as
a leader, I would say.

Speaker 12 (59:06):
It was regular.

Speaker 17 (59:07):
Yeah, it was regular. But over that period of time
you'll post somebody off.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Yeah, that is very true because the first.

Speaker 17 (59:19):
The first thing that I that I that really hit
home in the first six months or so, you are
making decisions that affect other people's lives. Yes, yes, and
I took that my role seriously, but I didn't let
those sort of other comments get you know. I was

(59:41):
always open and even today I still will talk to
people can help, Yes, but you.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Just know, Yeah, I mean that that's I mean if
you take it what you If you take that role
of affecting other people's lives seriously and then you have
some values that you bring in and you have some
you've thought out what you're doing and why you're doing it,
then you're in a strong position. What you're talking about,

(01:00:08):
Tyler is someone that's gone and doesn't really know what
they believe and doesn't have any strong principles and is
being knocked around in the wind. That's not the people
I would say that you want in politics. You want
people like a lane in politics there that goes in
with the feeling of responsibility and has the confidence of
their convictions and being fully.

Speaker 17 (01:00:27):
Aware that in our case there was twelve around the table,
you were one vote, and if you wanted to put
something forward, you had to do the research and the
study and the presentation to convince the other eleven.

Speaker 12 (01:00:43):
People to vote with you.

Speaker 17 (01:00:45):
Yeah, and the one thing that I never ever neglected
was my own personal principles and integrity is the most
precious thing that you can look after, because without that

(01:01:06):
you lost.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
There you go a great call from Yeah, you sound
like a great counselor.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
That's the type of people we need in council exactly
at people that go, don't I want to go in?
What if someone says something mean to me, you'll know
they might be mean to me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call abuse in elected positions?

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
How do you deal with it?

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
And just in general life, do we need to get
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Now back to Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Thank you very much, Wendy twenty two to three.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
I always think about this quote from the Great Stephen
Frye on offense and taking offense. He said that there's
a lot of talk these days about people being offended
and people taking offense. And he said being offended is
actually nothing more than a whine. It has no meaning,
it has no purpose, it is no reason to be
respected as a phrase. I'm offended by that. Well, so

(01:03:05):
effing what. He's a brilliant man. Even that's the idea
that you take offense. This text says, totally agree. Instead
of teaching our kids that words only mean something if
you let them. But now, words can damage us, I mean,
not looking forward that we are heading for what we're
heading for with us saying the ones that learn not
to worry about words will rule the world. I think
they already do absolutely. I mean, if you tail kids

(01:03:27):
that words can hurt you, then words will hurt them.
But if you teach them ways to deal with insults,
then then they will be They'll do a lot better
in life. Because if people can just hurt you with words.
It's like June, It's like Mahadeba. His name will be
a killing word if you give words that kind of power.

(01:03:49):
I mean, it's very easy to throw words out, especially
on the Internet anonymously. So in this you and you
will never get the world free of insults. You'll never
go through your life without people saying something mean to you,
gossiping about you, just in your friends group, on the
internet anywhere, let alone when you go into government.

Speaker 5 (01:04:05):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Yeah, so, well you're going to train the entire universe
just for yourself because you can't handle it. Yeah, it's
a good point.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Uh, Kathy, you want to have a chat about how
you used to handle it.

Speaker 18 (01:04:17):
Yeah, well, listen, when I was a kid, while I
was listening to Elaine, I realized that she was saying
some of the same stuff. When I was a kid,
we were taught, as she said, fix and stones will
break your phones, but names will never harm you. And
so if somebody offended me, it was an immediate thing
in those days. You know, it was one kid or
a group of kids saying something mean. And you don't

(01:04:38):
sticks and stones and break my phones, but names will
never harm me. Walk away.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:04:44):
Nowadays. Nowadays what happens is a lots of especial young people,
the politicians. Also everybody will get an insult on the
internet and it stays there forever. It just stays there.
And you can't be sitting sitting there typing, typing, typing
sticks and stones, sticks and stones, you know, So there

(01:05:05):
isn't that kind of defense. It has to be internal
lif And I also want to say something, and I
hope this is okay, because when I told this story
to other people, that's been a kind of reaction.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
So bear with Okay, sounds good, Okay.

Speaker 18 (01:05:21):
Many years ago, there was I can't remember his name,
but there was a very famous beat next poet who
got up to a microphone. I'm American. He got up
to a microphone at a reading one.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Thank you very much there, Katney. I think we've just
lost Kathy, but thank you very much for your phone call.
One hundred eighty eight is that number to call? Nine
two ninety two is the tech.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
When when the victim is part of a cohort regularly
subjected to insult, it is simply wrong to state that
they should harden up such rhetoricas old and outdated and
the humous race aspires and the main to be advanced
not considered abuse anything that stems from it in any
arena or cohert to be dealt with. See, I think

(01:06:10):
that is ridiculous. When the victim is part of a
cohort regularly subjected to an insult, is simply wrong to
state they should harden up. But else what is the
other option? Is just to be injured by everything that
anyone ever says?

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
Yeah, I mean, look, the more I think about this discussion,
and you're right logically, and I know that, but the
whole thing about backing your judgment, and I do that now,
but I didn't used to.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
As a kid.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
I needed some reassurance from people around me, and I
got that from some family members, but then when friends
would doubt me, and then that would get stuck in
my head. So it was a wee bit of time
before I'd had the self confidence and belief in my
own convictions. But I know a lot of people still
have that self doubt and whether I can do that,
and you still need support around you. But it's the

(01:06:58):
judgment and the insults you trust, right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
But that's part of becoming an adult, right, So you know, like,
if a kid's bullying another kid, then you need to
do something about it. As a teacher, yeah, absolutely, and
as a parent and all that kind of stuff. But
you're going through life learning the techniques to be an adult.
And one of the techniques of being an adult, to
be a fully realized and competent adult, is to be

(01:07:22):
able to deal with some of the abuse you're going
to get. You're going to get it on the roads,
You're going to get it on the internet, if you
choose to be on social media, you're if you go
into public life. The idea that you could go into
public life and some of your constituents aren't going to
say something nasty to you, considering at least five percent
of them are insane as crazy. So when you're little,

(01:07:44):
absolutely it'll hurt. But then that's why you don't teach
them that those words do hurt you. You teach them
how to deal with them. And there are some very
basic ways that you can do that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
I get your point about elected members or in fact,
anyone who's in the public eye.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
You've got to prepare yourself for that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
And I'm being you know, I'm talking about myself here,
But when you jump into this text machine and we
deal with it on a daily basis and learn that
five percent are just a little bit nutty, and you
have a We laugh about some of the things that
they say, but you're quite right. Anyone who gets into
to wanting to become a politician, that is part and
parcel of the job.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Well, this text says one hundred percent agree that we
all need to harden up a bit, but we also
should not normalize people being allowed or encouraged to abuse
people as much as they like, because we all need
to harden up either. Well, see that, I would agree,
But the thing is that the person that's abusing you
is the loser in this situation. Just because you harden
up doesn't make them the good person, or them bright

(01:08:40):
or what they're doing. Okay, It just means that they
can't affect you. And if you're allowing someone that's abusing
you to affect you and take you down just with words,
you know, they're not physically attacking you, they're not kidnapping you,
but they're taking down with words, then you're giving them
a power that they don't deserve. So, in my thinking,

(01:09:01):
the hardening yourself to abuse is actually lowering the person
to abuse you. It's taking something away from them. It's
making the empathetic and you strong. It's a lot of
logic in it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
Yes, right, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
that number to call?

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
It is sixteen to three. Pack in the mow mad Heath.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on mad
Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
Sa'd be It is thirteen to three and we are
talking about abuse when it comes to being an elected member.
There is a councilor, Julie Ferry, who talked about the
abuse she's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Had during her time as a counselor. Now at the
end of this hour, before the end of the hour,
I'll I'll share I've compiled a list of techniques to
deal with abuse hice. Okay, this is from from a
philosophical point of view. It'll be a good piece because
it's something that I've worked on a lot in my
life when I wrote about it heavily in my book,
my book on Being Off the Chat Run Being Offended.

(01:09:58):
So I've done a bit of research on it. You
know it's going to be good. Chris, how are you boys?

Speaker 19 (01:10:04):
I love the tough enough approach about when it comes
to you know, people, I've given you crack. If you
allow the words of other people that mean nothing to
you to like to get to you go to a
mental strengthen and coach to do something about that, because

(01:10:27):
people are always going to do that to, especially politicians
or people in office. But if you're going to get
that job over it, you should expect that anyway. Like wakey, wakey.
If anyone ever has a crack at me and it's
right and it's a good crack, I'll say, well done,
good point. Otherwise, altern around it's for a bad reason

(01:10:52):
and it's not necessarily correct, I'll say, hey, your words
are very important, please keep talking. That shuts them up
real quick because they know that I don't care and
I'm listening to it, you know, especially the old boys
at the pub on you know when I was. It's
a matter, you know, So you just put everybody back

(01:11:13):
in their place. And the only people that'll ever take
crap from are actually my family or my wife's family
if they've got a genuine point to make. Yeah that
I have to go through this. But like it's all
about listening to the people that are important to you
and not the ones that aren't. So if you go
into a political office and go, oh, someone said bad words,

(01:11:35):
you're even the wrong job. Get out of there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Yeah, and so, but do you think that we're normalizing
the idea that people should hide from abuse and not
do what they want to do just in case they
get abused because you go christ sorry, now you.

Speaker 19 (01:11:51):
Go yeah, sorry to interrupt, I reckon, Just give it
back to them and go what.

Speaker 6 (01:11:56):
Do you do for a job?

Speaker 19 (01:11:57):
How why are you writing this email to me at
ten point fifteen when you should be at work. Get
a job and contribute to New Zealand control, like that's.

Speaker 5 (01:12:07):
All you are.

Speaker 19 (01:12:08):
If you're only achievements in humanity times that other country
could save some money if you're not here, I'll.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Tell you what. Another thing that's really powerful is silence.
If someone abuses you, however it is, and then you
just don't respond for as long as even if you
count to seven before you say something back, and then
they just have to steal in their own juices of
what they said, or then you repeat back to them
what they've said. So I am. So you wait seven

(01:12:35):
seconds and repeat what they've said back to them that's
a very powerful way because they just have to deal
with what they've said and who they are. And so
sometimes I mean, I agree with it, Chris, and potentially
you just maybe need to think that in your mind,
who are you at ten to fifty? But sometimes people
are just abusing you because they're screaming into the void
and they want a response from someone. They just desperately
want to take a piece off someone more powerful than them.

(01:12:58):
They just want to be heard, and so sometimes you
just throw a fuel on the fire. Sometimes it's better
just to let them scream into the void and leave
them alone. Hey, thank you so much for your call, Chris.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
I really appreciate a couple of texts before we've got
to play some messages.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Hi, guys. I'm a district councilor in the Lower North Island.
I've always taken the view that I am fear game
and people can say what they wanted public or online.
I never let it bother me and give us back
as good as I get. The only time I have
been upset by words was when someone referred reference my
young kids being abducted from their school and then that
I would take notices polishans, politicians are fear game, their

(01:13:33):
families are not. Yeah, I mean that's a different thing.
We're talking about a view. So if someone if someone
threatens your family or threatens you, then that's a matter,
and that's credible. Then that's a matter for the police.
That's a criminal matter, and that that's there's recourse for that.
You've got it. If someone threatens you bodily, you got
to go to the cops. Yeah, very different. Right. It
is eight minutes to three when we come back.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
But of a PSA. But a few strategies that Matt's
compiled on what you should do when someone abuses you.
That's coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
Punishing from Heath, abuse me for it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
The issue that affect you, and a bit of fun
along the way, Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Very good afternoon to you. It is five to three.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Okay, So look, we can control our this is what
stoics believe. I'm a big fan of their stoics. We
can we can control our internal responses to external events.
Other people's opinions and words are external to us. What
they say and think is up to them. We can't
control that. We live in a world where people will
say nasty things, whether we like it or not. We
have the power to brush aside ridicule and disrespect and

(01:14:42):
instead focus our energies in more positive directions. That's absolutely truth.
Allowing the whims of other people to upset us is
a haphazard way to live. You are handing over your
tranquility and happiness to anyone who might come your way.
That's giving away the only real power you have, the
quality of your thoughts. So, I mean, the first question
if someone insults you is you can ask is it true?

(01:15:03):
And you put it through this this little spectrum here,
this little test yep, is it true? If yes, then
it's not an insult. If someone says you stink, and
you do sink, stink, then that's not an insult. That's
the truth, right, How can you be insulted by the truth.
If it's not true, then it's nonsense. And why would

(01:15:24):
you be insulted by nonsense. If someone tells you that
you're stinking, you don't stink, then that's just nonsense. So
either way, you can't be offended. If it's true, take
it on board. If you are communists scum as the
thing that started this, you know, look at it and go,
am I communist scum? You go, actually, no, I'm not.
Therefore I'm not offended by this. It's pretty simple. And look,

(01:15:45):
I think I think that one thing that's really important is,
you know the credibility of the insulter. As my friend
Maniah always says, Great, Great New Zealand. And when I
asked Youart, don't take insults from people you wouldn't take
advice from. So that's a great saying that one. So
if you're sitting around getting offended by someone that you
have no respect for, then you're an idiot, you know,
if you wouldn't take their advice, don't take their insults.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
YEAHSA, and some great knowledge there if you're facing a
bit of abuse in your life.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
And good discussion. Thank you very much to everyone who called.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
Right coming up after three o'clock, we want your lawn tips.
Matt is deep into his long game at the moment.
Your lawn tips and your abuse come on through News
is next, your.

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
New home are insateful and entertaining talk.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
It's Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk sebby Very.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
Good afternoon, Jue seven past three before we.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Move on to the next subject. I just want to
put to bed the offence subject where I've said that
people should learn to deal with the fence rather than
expect the universe to well, I mean, how did I
put it before? Allowing the whims of other people to
upset you as a haphazard way to live, You're handing
over your tranquility and happiness to anyone who might come

(01:17:02):
your way. So that's giving away the only real power
you have, the quality of your thoughts. We live in
a world where people say nasty things, whether you like
it or not, but we have the power and we
can learn to brush it aside, right yep. So you
know I thought it was only fair that I because
I've been We get so many we get so many
nice texts, yes, and by far the majority of a

(01:17:23):
nice informative text. Love doing this job, Love talking to
people on our way one hundred eighty ten eighty, love
the feedback on the text. And we have a hold
back and forth with people on the show that never
goes to air, just communicating with people, because you know,
that's what we're here for, the conversation, true, right, But
we also get a lot of abuse yep, we do.
And so to practice what I preach, then I'm going

(01:17:45):
to read out some of the abusive texts that got
through and put them through my policy. All right, please
do it's going to be great. Matt Heath. You are
just a middle class white dude telling people not to
be offended. Easy for you, Okay, So I'll put that
through the basic inzul gang a test and certain insult?
Is it true? If yes, then it's not an insult

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why be offended by? If no, then it is nonsense. Okay,
So Matt Heath, you are middle class. Yes, I am
middle class.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
I'd sa upper middle, but anyway, carry on.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
I was definitely brought up middle class. Yea, yeah, okay, yeah,
you've got a middle class mentality. And I'm pretty white.
I'm white, ash Actually I'm not that white.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Really, you're pretty tan these days. Actually that's a lot
of garden work.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
By the look, I get what you mean. I'm of
Irish ancestry. So I guess what I get what you
mean when you say I'm a middle class white dear,
and I'm telling people not to be offended. That is true.
I am telling people not to be offended. Easy for you. Yes,
it is easy for me, so that is not really
an insult. I am a middle class white dude telling
people not to be offended. So when I put it
through this test, is it true. It's all true, Yes,

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and it's not an insult. Okay, So that's a.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
Big thank you to that sex. I'm thank you very
much for your honesty.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
I'm not offended by that one. O. This Texas is
pop philosophy from some guy who thinks he knows more
than others. Yeah, it's popular philosophy these days. I think
was basically stoic philosophy, and also a lot of it's
from my number one best selling book, are Lifeless Punishing
Thirteen Ways to Love the Life You've Got by man
he Yep, so pop meaning popular, I mean, by definition

(01:19:20):
of my book is very popular. Yeah, it's number one
best selling, it's maybe a lot of money. Yep, so
very well. Again, very true. It's a very upper middle
class by some guy who thinks he knows more than others.
I think I know more than some, but not all
there is. I definitely have read more philosophy than some, yes,
seeing as I wrote a whole book. Yeah, but there's

(01:19:42):
definitely there's definitely a lot of people that know more
than me about everything. Yeah, so I would say pop philosophy. Yes,
from a guy who thinks he knows more than others. Yeah,
I think I know more than others. So that, once
again not an insult.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
So that's another thank you? Right, what else you got?

Speaker 5 (01:19:57):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
How would you like it if I abuse you? You moron?
You can dish it out, but you cannot take it?
Pathetic loser telling people not to be offended, sitting on
your privileged pedestal, or there's a lot in this one,
this is good. How would you like it if I
abused you? You're moron? Well, you are abusing me by
calling me a moron? So how would I like it?
I shouldn't quite enjoying it. Strange, it's tackling me. You
can dish it out, but you cannot take it. I

(01:20:20):
don't know if I've been dishing out any of the insults.
Have I no, No, not, I probably have, though I
would I do. I sometimes go at text messages. I
sometimes really have a go at people. So yeah, I
can dish it out, but I believe I can take it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
Why you've taken it first? Before you dish it out.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
So, yeah, you're a pathetic loser telling people not to
be offended sitting on your privileged pedestal. I would push back,
I'm being called a pathetic loser. I don't think that's true.
So I'm not gonna be considered when I put that
through the test of an insert insult. Is it true. No,
I don't think I'm a pathetic loser. I think you're
in the winner category.

Speaker 4 (01:20:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
I think I've done all right in life, and something's
better than other. There's definitely some things I'm pathetic about.

Speaker 5 (01:20:58):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
Yeah, I did a pathetic job. I really messed up. Anyway.
There's some painting I did in the weekend. It was pathetic.
So sometimes I am a pathetic loser. I don't want
to get into the details, but it was a disaster
painting of my house. I messed up. So pathetically los
are telling people not to be offended, that's true. I
am telling people not to offended sitting on your privileged pedesful.
I would say, I do have a reasonably privileged pedestal.

(01:21:21):
I think that's true. I'm not going to be offended
by that. I think sitting in the studio ZB the
biggest radio station in the country. Being allowed to say
whatever I want into a microphone. That is a pretty
privileged pedestal. So I'm not going to be insulted by
any of that. Yeah that some of it's true, some
of it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
So that's a lot of thank you, some pretty heavy abuse,
I've got to say. But that is nice to put
that through the lens of the stoics popular philosophy.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
But it works. Yeah, very good. Yeah, So keep those,
keep the abuse coming through, and I'll keep putting it
through the lens.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
Yeah, yeah, very good. Right, let's get it to this
one because this is going to be a great chat.
We want to talk about lawn tips. How do you
get the best lawn? And we say this because it
is kind of a key. We write a passage for
a lot of people out there who go all in
on the lawn and when I say go all in,
it becomes their new life. They spend thousands of thousands
of dollars, They talk to other lawn people, and spend

(01:22:17):
hundreds of man hours just trying to get the perfect lawn.
And this is something that you might be attempting at
the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
Yeah. I think it's like anything the more you get
into it, the more there is to know. You know,
the Dunner Kruger effect is big on lawns. Yeah, you know,
you can if you don't know anything abou lawns, you'll
just look at lawn and you'll go that looks fine
when you start like my dad, who's a groundskeeper, when
he looks at a lawn's a lawn, it's a disaster.

(01:22:44):
I'm watching cricket with him, or any kind of sport,
and you know, as much as he's talking about the sport,
he's talking about the fairy rings in the field, or
he knows so much about lawns that he can't really
look at them. That's a heavy cross to beer. Yeah,
so we really we just want to talk about lawns.
Wait one hundred and eighty ten eighty tits for getting

(01:23:04):
a good lawn in New Zealand at this time of
year when it's getting hot, Because maybe I'm just using
my privileged pedi stel to get some lawn tips on
the lawn that I'm putting in.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
It's true, so you can't get offended by it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
But tips for a good lawn and also let's get
into it the elephant in the room. Yep, say it
artificial versus real lawns mass effects? Is there any way
that you can go artificial and it not lot tacky
and rubbish? And can you go to far into lawns?
Are you a lawn widow or widower? There are people

(01:23:42):
and I've heard them. I've heard people complaining that they're
they're partners, and let's be honest, it's mainly the male
side of things. Yep, goes to lawn focused and spends
so much at their time, they're down on their hands
and knees, just pick individually pecking weeds out of a
giant lawn like an orangutan picks, you know, knits out

(01:24:03):
of its partners.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
Here, you know, lost to the lawn. Noh eight one
hundred eighty ten eighty. The number to call the phone
lines of let up on the text machine is smoking
as well, but love to hear your thoughts. Nine two
ninety two is that number? It is fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Past three, gis talk sibby seventeen past three.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
We're talking about lawn tips and how much you've invested
in getting the perfect lawn at your place and also
artificial turf.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
Yeah, so you get just go artificial because when you're
you know, like embarking on a lawn journey, and you
look at it and you've you know, you've tilled the
earth and you've just got a big expense of dirty
or you know, in my backyard there's sort of a
medium sized expensive dirt whatever. You look at it and
you go, well, could just artificially do this? Yeah, just
get some tiger turf down. This is a good laun to.

(01:24:47):
If you get a ball patch on your lawn, grow
the grass next to it longer. Then rake the length
across the ball patch. Just watch out for windy days
if it starts to blow the long grass up. A
lawn combover. Yeah, that would look good. Kerrie we Hal
from the show.

Speaker 5 (01:25:03):
Twilight, How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
That was? That was Maddie mate, But I'm more goods?
How are you?

Speaker 11 (01:25:07):
No?

Speaker 20 (01:25:08):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:25:08):
Sorry?

Speaker 11 (01:25:09):
Just before I start on lawns, Matt, I really do
think that you need to have a cup of tea
and put some concrete concrete in it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
Anyway, how come, why would I have a cup of
tea and put some concrete?

Speaker 11 (01:25:23):
No, I reckon, you just need a hard enough. People
may be horrible things because they're having bad days.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Well, hang on minute. Have you been listening to the show. Yeah, well,
then I think you've missed one hundred percent missed what
I was saying.

Speaker 11 (01:25:36):
No, I don't think so anyway, No, No, you have
you have?

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
So what do you think I was saying, Kerrie?

Speaker 11 (01:25:41):
No, I just think you you you've actually taken it
the wrong way, because I'm just saying to you, you
just need to take it on the chin. Move on me. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
No, but I think what what I'm saying is that
you've heard exactly the opposite, because that is exactly what
I was saying. And I was having a laugh with
some insults which I thought were pretty funny. So you know,
I don't know, like i'd love a cup of tea,
but I don't know if I'm the person that needs
to have the concrete and the tea there.

Speaker 11 (01:26:08):
You carry anyway. Lawns artificial, No, Tyler, I think you
know that this is what I do for a living.
I if I can't fix the one, will I renovate it.
If there's more weeds than grass, well then I kill
it all and renovate it. And but the key is

(01:26:31):
the soil. You've got to have really really good lawn
mirk soil. If you don't, you're wasting your time and
you're wasting your money.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
Right, I mean, there's pretty good soil up here in Auckland.
I think Carrie very bad of clay.

Speaker 11 (01:26:44):
Very no. No, no, you don't use clay.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Okay, no clay. You just concrete the whole thing, don't
you carry?

Speaker 5 (01:26:49):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
No, no, you don't have to mow concrete.

Speaker 11 (01:26:54):
No, well that's up. Well your I thought you said
that you want a nice.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
Lawn concrete and paint a green carry.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
Something to be said for artificial birthday, Carrey. Like, I
know there's a lot of haters out there, and I
used to be. But there's some pretty fancy artificial turf
you can get.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
Now. Can you tell? Is there any turf that you
can't tell the difference that you would? How quickly can
you tell if it's artificial, even the most expensive.

Speaker 11 (01:27:16):
Artificial stuff, straight away? Straight away? And the other thing
is that before I even get to it, if I
see it when I'm driving past, I know what type
of grass it does as well.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
Are you talking the artificial or real grass?

Speaker 11 (01:27:29):
No? Real grass that I can tell? Whether it's tall fissue? Fine? Fine,
kai ku, Yeah you know I can tell whatever it is.
But the key is like, like, I do monthly treatments,
So I go around monthly. I've got about thirty clients.
I go around monthly, and I take all the weeds out. Actually,

(01:27:50):
you like, he isn't killing the grass. I use chemicals
to that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Do you use weed and feed?

Speaker 5 (01:27:57):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:27:57):
I use weed and feed.

Speaker 11 (01:27:59):
No it doesn't work. No, it doesn't work.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
Sounds like, okay, Yates. What's the actual product from Yates?

Speaker 11 (01:28:09):
You don't know. You don't buy that weed and feed.
You don't buy it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
You don't buy it.

Speaker 11 (01:28:14):
Okay, No, it doesn't work. Seventy dollars. You can employ me,
came run and look after it for you for a month,
and I'll charge you seventy five dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Okay, that's good. Hey, carry where do you operate from?
Where are you? What's the best one? What's the best
grass to use in Auckland? Because you're talking about cocoia.
That that's the stuff with the really long wheat, the
long roots.

Speaker 11 (01:28:36):
Right, Yeah, it's stolon. It's called a stolon grass, which
means it doesn't bury its roots in the ground. It's
a creeper. But the best, the best, best grass that
I've just found that I've actually put into my last
three jobs that I've done is a stadium rye grass.
It is absolutely beautiful, light light green during the winter. Yeah,

(01:28:57):
and during the winter. You can get it from Newton
Seeds in Auckland or you can ring up me.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Now, Kerrie, if you want to change the the you know,
the species of grass you've got on your lawn, do
you have to just do you have to do you
just have to till it all up and start again?
Or can you what you want to?

Speaker 11 (01:29:20):
It depends what you want to change it too, and
what you've got. M so you so so the sounds
of things is that you've got that you don't have
kai kuya and you want kaiku.

Speaker 4 (01:29:32):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
I don't like it because when you when you I
was just yanking some up because I'm doing my lawns
at the moment, and I was like, I've always it
always always annoyed me, how it how far the roots
go and all that kind of stuff. It's it's it's
it's it's a sturdy it's a sturdy it's a sturdy grass,
but it's a kind of kind of a kind of
a weedy grass. It's kind of like the yacker of grasses.

Speaker 11 (01:29:53):
The good thing about it is that you don't have
to water it, and the good thing about it and
the worst thing about it is during the summer you've
got to mow it at least once a week yep
or once a fortnight. Otherwise it just takes off. And
if you're mowing it once a month, it just gets
harder and harder and harder.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Okay, sow, Kirie. How would people get hold of you?
Just just what I remember to ask if they wanted
to get your expertise in the Auckland area lawn care.

Speaker 11 (01:30:19):
I look after prestige, long cares.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
Prestige lawn care. Okay, prestige, Yeah, prestige, prestige worldwide. Nice
do you do huges as well, Kirie?

Speaker 3 (01:30:31):
No, just lawns Okay, all right, fair enough, good to me,
but thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
And that was stadium. Thank you, Kirie, cheers Kerrie.

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
So after all that, no to Kakoya and stadium, rye,
and maybe just lay some concrete down, make your life easier.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
I had some neighbors once they just came in and
concreted their whole lorn. It was it was such an
aggressive move. But it just had enough and did a
bugger this. I'm just gonna They bought the house and
they corporated the lawns front and back, and then they
painted the front one green. I was like, that's you're
not full of anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
Oh eight hundred eighty T and eighty is the number
to call if you're into your lawn. Love to hear
from you. What are your tips to have in the
perfect lawn? In nine two ninety two is the text
number back of them? Oh twenty four past three.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on us talk ZV twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
Seven past three. We have asked for your lawn tips
on our eight hundred eighty T and eighty. How do
you get the perfect lawn?

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Someone's asking a very important question here. How do you
deal with dog wee patches on lawns? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
I mean I always say, and why does some dogs?

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
Because my dog Colin no we patches, but some something
You go around to some people's house and that they've
just got wee patches all over the lawn.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
You know, you get those little rocks that you can
buy that you put on the dog's water, and apparently
that's meant to stop grass.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
Boon that wrecks the bollocks. To me, what's colin secret?

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
I need to get them around to have words to
Pepper and superior genetics.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
This is one thing you can't say about my dog.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
Colin is terrible to next he's very handsome though.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
But what about those people I still can't believe this
happens that are putting, you know, one point five liter
plastic bottles on their lawns to stop dogs. Wean Yeah, yeah, Vaughn,
how are you?

Speaker 21 (01:32:23):
I'm good?

Speaker 12 (01:32:23):
Thanks?

Speaker 21 (01:32:25):
The dog weieing. It's the female dog, not the male
that leaves the patches.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
Ah, that would explain it. So I need to get
rid of paper and get a male dog.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
I'm joking.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
She shall go anywhere, right.

Speaker 21 (01:32:40):
So I've had the proper lawn and struggle to I'm
in papate Moa so over the summer, couldn't keep up
with the watering. It looks scungy. So then I put
an ready lawn and again couldn't keep up with the
weeds the watering. So now I've gone to artificial and

(01:33:01):
love it. So I'm talking about the backyard with the patters.
I don't care about the front.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
Does it doesn't get too hot whereabouts you look on
Papa Moa, so you can all year around you can
walk on that artificial grass. Because a bunch of people
are texting and saying the problem with artificial grass is
in summer it gets too hot.

Speaker 21 (01:33:21):
Yeah, I don't. I don't really, I don't really use
bare feet. I'm normally in jandles so but it's it's
beautiful to walk on, beautiful to sit on. And with
the samples. Now my mind's got flex of brown in
it because no lawn is green green, so it looks
quite real, and you get the odd weed, but it

(01:33:43):
just put you from the wind and the birds. But
the weeds just pull out.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
What about with the doggie? Do you allow the doggie
to go out on the artificial teth I don't.

Speaker 21 (01:33:54):
I don't have a dog. But again, with a dog,
if it's say it was poos, you would just pick
it up and then just hose it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
Right, So it allows the water through, does it?

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
I imagine it will has to.

Speaker 19 (01:34:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:34:08):
Yeah, it's like it's like a like a netting underneath it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
And what what's the top of what is it called,
Did you say smart grass or one of the other ones.

Speaker 21 (01:34:19):
No, it's artificial. So I've had the ready lawn, which
was real grass like in the carpet, and they lay
it but that didn't work.

Speaker 5 (01:34:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
Yeah, oh well, congratulations, she's living the artificial grass dream. Yeah,
a seat. But to see your face is curling up
at the thought of it, Tyler, you think it's an
abomination on the planet. You think it's like Frankenstein. Do
you think it's playing god with your lawn?

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
Yeah, that's exactly right, nicely said. There's plenty of techs
Kevinster on nine two nine two, and also taking your
calls on oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty the sixes.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
It's definitely not just the female dogs. I have a
male dog and he weigh it, weighs on the wheeze
on the grass and leaves terrible patches.

Speaker 5 (01:35:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
So the thing is it's the the nitrogen high nitrogen
content of the dog urine. It's apparently due to to
the high protein that you know, their meat eaters, they've
got a high protein diet. So, but it is it
is female dogs and puppies do it more, but some
male puppies do like generally female dogs and puppies make worse.

(01:35:26):
You know, dog your own burns. Yep, but all dogs
can do it. There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Oh that's a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
Is that true? The one point five liter bottles on
the lawn was an April fool's joke. To this day
it persists. It's hilarious that people still do it. My
dad used to do it, and I know many people
who used to. It's hilarious. There's there's a house near
my house and they've got so many they've got about
they've got about fifty one point five liter plastic bottles
full of water like coke bottles and stuff, and it's like,

(01:35:56):
we better have the dog burns on the lawn. Then
all these part it looks like rabbits. It's like recycling
bins falling over. They're crazy. Just let the dogs turn
it up.

Speaker 3 (01:36:07):
Headlines with wind coming up, and then we've taken more
of your calls on O one hundred and eighty ten.

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Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
That'd be and back to our discussion about lawns and
your lawn tips. If you've gone all in on your lawn,
how did you get the perfect lawn.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
Each time you cut your lawn, says this text, you
should cut it in a different direction. Think of it
like a clock. Cut it twelve to six, one week,
three to nine, the next two to eight, four to ten.

Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
Why's that I'm just getting my head around there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
That would just because I do the same lines over
and over again. Yeah, you've got to.

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
Start from the outside and go around, not like a clock,
like a maze, as you going closer to the middle.
To you sure that you don't go line by lot. Well,
if you see my lawn. If I go line by.

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
Line, your lawn's on a ninety degree angle. It's basically
mountain climbing. You have to get crampons on to mow
your lawn.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
Yeah, I didn't even have a law moro. Just get
the weed worker out there and just go hard.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
Just killed a lot of it. It's triggering your lawn.
But no, hang on a minute. I've always mowned the lawn,
and my dad forced me to my about two acres
of lawn at the farm when I was growing up.
I've always just gone on lines back and forth.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
It's a line, and then do you go a little
bit shorter on one line so you go yeah, yeah,
So you cut it down for the second line and
then boost it back up so you get that beautiful pitch.

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
Ye, and then you get a bunch of cabbage tree
leaves right around the moor, and then you have to
cut them off with a knife, and you go again.
And then at dinner time your dad goes, I see
you mow the lawn. I don't like what you did
with the vergers every time. Every time, Matthew, welcome to
the show.

Speaker 6 (01:40:58):
Gooday, guys, I've gotten rid of all my lawn. I've
put in the pud and green out the back.

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
But hanging a minute, oh wow, okay.

Speaker 6 (01:41:08):
Yeah, so we we we built on that. We put
a sleepout on and I got there was a patch
about maybe fifteen meters by seven and I've just put
a put a green down with you know, three or
four holes in there and borrow like it's not a
flat like, it's a putting green. It's got yeah, give
and take in it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
You got them out of the front. You've got a
bit of a lot of rough in there so you
can play well.

Speaker 6 (01:41:34):
And all the edges I've put stone chip I've boardered
and put little stone chips, so I can put carpet
on that and just chip off that nice. And the
front I've got rid of all the grass in the
front and raised guard beds and put the greenhouse out
there because it's not facing I.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
Was thinking about sitting up like a tee on my
roof and then just a little hole in the back
garden that would be you have to climb in your roof.

Speaker 6 (01:42:00):
You could do that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
It's dangerous for the name to.

Speaker 10 (01:42:02):
The green is good.

Speaker 6 (01:42:03):
It worked out to be about the same as artificial.
But yeah, I get so much more use out of
it out there at night, a cold one cutting around.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
How good? And it doesn't does it look realistic? Or
you're not worried because it's a putt and green so
it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 6 (01:42:18):
It's a putt and green, so you can blow it
and if the dog goes on it, you can just
pick it up. Water goes through it, and yeah, no,
it's I recommend it if you don't want it, if
you want to look at some greens and you can
walk on it, it's good to walk on.

Speaker 5 (01:42:33):
Yeah, fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
And yeah, did you get the whole family supporting this
or was this more of just a Matthew initiatives.

Speaker 6 (01:42:41):
It was it was a we were going to go
because I'm a mower. I'm like, I love mowing, mowing
the vergers at the front. I love the lines. I
love the cleanliness and the order it brings to the neighborhood. Yes, yeah,
well it just I only had a small bit of
grass out the back, so I thought, nah, I was
going to put stake graphs down and then but the

(01:43:01):
cutting green's about the same as the steake graft, so
I said, let's put a green in.

Speaker 5 (01:43:05):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
Does it feel the same under your toes?

Speaker 17 (01:43:07):
Though?

Speaker 3 (01:43:07):
See, that's what I can't can't get around with the
old astroturth.

Speaker 6 (01:43:10):
Because it's like crazy golf, you know, popup golf for
that sort of Yeah. So it's but it's green, and
it's always green. That will never die, and it was
laid it will live forever. It's got a ten year guarantee.

Speaker 5 (01:43:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:43:27):
Yeah, it's fantastic, fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
Oh well, good on you, Matthew. There's a suggestion.

Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
Yeah, you know, it's a massive proponent for the old
astro turth.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
And you've you've still got a lawn, and you've you've
still got a lawn and a berm and all that
kind of stuff to you know, so you can, you know,
enjoy your mowing fetish.

Speaker 6 (01:43:45):
I do get my mowing done. I do the neighbors
and the block. But so and I catch it. I
don't catch it. I just melt it.

Speaker 5 (01:43:54):
What is it? Mulch it?

Speaker 10 (01:43:56):
You're do?

Speaker 5 (01:43:58):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:43:59):
The only thing I work I would astro turf is
the burn you know that doesn't belong to me.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
But I'm not big.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
I can't do it well to do it anyway because
it's such a pain in the ass to get down
there and give my little weed work around. I'm going
to ask, but that's my astro tap project. It's all
con counts of your listening. It's going in. I don't
care what you say.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
I tell you, I'm a big support of people picking
up their dog leavings and bags. But on Tyler's astro
Tour boom, I reckon just leave them, leave them, teach them.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
Yeah, maybe I'm gonna do it. Yeah, I'll be able
to find me pretty easier. But the only the only
boom with estro tour.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
I thank you for your call, Matthew, and good luck
with your your your greens.

Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
Yeah, oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Plenty of teas coming through. On nine
two ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
The stixter says, I don't know about lawns, but weed
and feed after work definitely works for me. Thank you
for that.

Speaker 3 (01:44:50):
Carry Yeah, Yates, Yates is good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
Paul, welcome to the show. How are you hello?

Speaker 4 (01:44:57):
So you got me?

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
Yeah? You're loud and clear, Paul, Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:45:00):
Yeah, okay, been listening for the last half. First up, man, yep.

Speaker 5 (01:45:07):
I love you on your.

Speaker 13 (01:45:10):
Mediocre high chair with your philosophy heads. Hats off to you, mate,
I'll love it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
Just keep me going on my privileged pedestal, as the
person said, my privileged pedestal.

Speaker 5 (01:45:25):
Well, stay there.

Speaker 2 (01:45:26):
I'll tell you what, Paul I do. I do share
my my position and my chair with with my costing.
So there is a there is a certain amount of
a whim of privilege.

Speaker 13 (01:45:35):
I like him. I like him too because he can
make jokes of himself.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
I'm sitting I'm sitting in the king's throne, you know
when he's away.

Speaker 13 (01:45:48):
And Tyler got your your good bounce.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
From Matt, so you're not leaving out, Thank you, mate.

Speaker 13 (01:45:53):
Hey, I endorse what carry said at the beginning, if
anyone wants a really serious lord. And I don't know
this guy, but he has a similar industry to me.
So yeah, ring carey, mate, and get the best lorn
in Auckland. And I don't know him.

Speaker 5 (01:46:07):
Okay, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
A prestige prestige lawn mowing. I think it was a
lawn care ye. So what you Yeah, what have you
got on your lawn?

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
Pull? What sort of grass.

Speaker 5 (01:46:21):
There?

Speaker 6 (01:46:22):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:46:22):
Yeah, sorry mate, I jumped over there. What sort of
grass have you got are you? Are you going a
bit of rye or something a little bit more exotic?

Speaker 22 (01:46:28):
That's interesting. Yeah, I've got an awesome lawn. But not
to look at this what you want. You've got to
think about what am I going to use it for.

Speaker 5 (01:46:37):
The look?

Speaker 22 (01:46:39):
And I'm quite big on mindfulness, so I like taking
most boots off at the end of the day and
there's thinking hot socks and walking around my lawn and
feeling that grass.

Speaker 13 (01:46:48):
So Tyler, hats off to you.

Speaker 5 (01:46:50):
On that one too.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
Spot On.

Speaker 22 (01:46:52):
You know, it's it's you've got to think what you want.
Then you've got to look at your microclimates, and you know,
an Orkrand there's several microclimates. But see like ky kill
you is a brilliant lawn because if you had a
dog and three three boys for your rank forwards and
your rugby, this the perfect grass.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
Why because it's quite hardy. It can take a bit
of your right from the boys.

Speaker 5 (01:47:17):
I kill you. Yeah, And there's no blade. I can't
cull you in my lawn.

Speaker 13 (01:47:20):
And there's no daisies in my either. I hate those.

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
So are you are you just knocking the heads off them?
Or have you eliminated days you? If you see one, yep.

Speaker 13 (01:47:33):
You know, dig it out all rights. One turns into
six and then next year it's twenty forty dirty daisies.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
So you're not sitting cross legga with the misses making
daisy chains.

Speaker 13 (01:47:45):
And when I was younger, one.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
Of my sons, when he was playing cricket, you know,
when he was junior. I'll be watching a game and
I look over and he'd be in the outfield facing
with his back to the back to the game, making
daisy chains. Cross legas.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
Get your head in the game, sun, come on, yeah
the bar.

Speaker 5 (01:48:10):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:48:12):
So it's really down to what I definitely wouldn't go artificial.
But then I'm a person who likes to mur my
lawn like you, Matty, and my wife loves the smell
of Frish cut grass.

Speaker 13 (01:48:24):
So I'm on a win win.

Speaker 22 (01:48:26):
But my lawn I sowed a fine rescue at first.
And the reason I swed that was you can use
a spray that keeps everything else out and have this
perfect grass. Anyway, I looked next door to my neighbor
who had been there since the late fifties maybe sixties,
and he had a combination of carpet grass in Indian doob,

(01:48:47):
which is New Zealand coach, and those two combined were amazing.
And I said to him, and I always often went over,
you know, oh you've got a damn good lawn, and hey,
ever do anything with it?

Speaker 5 (01:49:01):
And he had this. Anyway, I cleared my.

Speaker 13 (01:49:03):
Whole side put in this rescue.

Speaker 22 (01:49:05):
But I left a little bit of this Indian dub
and the driveway and it crept over into my lawn.
And now I've got probably half of it in Indian
dobe and half of it in carper grass. Now I
don't have to mow my grass very often because in
winter time both those grasses go dormant. So I might
mow my grass twice in winter, doesn't that fantastic? Don't

(01:49:27):
have to get out and mow my lawn. I just
sit there and have my beer instead.

Speaker 3 (01:49:30):
Good time, Paul dream Now. I'm not gonna question Paul
too much because he's clearly passionate about lawns. But I
will say I think it's pronounced couch grass kow c.

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
H couch grass coach. They called it kiwi cooch.

Speaker 3 (01:49:46):
Yeah, couch Just for anyone listening out there, that's how
you spell it as well.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
I thought he was talking about something else. The issue
with estraturf creates toxic ground underneath. How some paths are
bad enough on the environment. Can we not have a
lawn to try and look after the planet? Man? So my,
so there's my boom saving the planet. Apparently, apparently I
didn't know with my little, my three little lawns, I'm

(01:50:11):
saving the planet. I'm bloody Greta Thunberg over here with
my with my little patch of mounted and lawn. You're
doing your part, man right, got to take a break.
It is twelve to four.

Speaker 1 (01:50:20):
Have a chat with the lads on eighty Matt Heath
and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks, It be.

Speaker 3 (01:50:27):
News talks, it be so many. Teaser comes through on
nine two nine two.

Speaker 2 (01:50:32):
It is pronounced coach.

Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
Yeah, I'm sorry. Stay in your lane, Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:50:35):
It y is your mind out of the garter Tyler.
That's from Scott, a former groundskeeper. It's an unfortunately named grass,
but it is called coach. It's not unfortunate, it's definitely okay. Hi,
the grass, the grass leans over moa gets under the
grass better when you go the opposite way. Brett. Oh,
that's why you do the clockwork back and forth stuff.
Do you know? You know at you know stadiums, how

(01:50:57):
they'll have two games and two days with different markings. Yep.
They use the coma over approach. This is what breat
Christensen does at Eden Park. So the you have the
you paint it the lines, and you brush the grass
that way, and the next day you pull it back
and it reveals the lines.

Speaker 3 (01:51:16):
It's actually genius. Yeah, that is phenomenal work.

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
Hey guys, pour a few bottles of beer on the
lawn and mow it a bit later. It will be
half cut. That's good. That's that's good stuff. Hey, guys,
burning here. It's not just about a lawn. It's about
taking pride in your property, being outside, getting some vitamin D,
getting excized and reconnect with nature and appreciate it. People
are so far detached from what we used to do, hunting, growing,

(01:51:40):
gathering and nurturing what we have at a disposal.

Speaker 6 (01:51:43):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:43):
That's what I feel when I'm when I'm sewing my
lawn at the moment when I'm mowing the other lawn
and when I'm cutting down yackers, and it's like a
slight Walden, real life Walden out there cutting down yakers
and putting them in the moor recycling bin. I feel
like I'm getting back to nature.

Speaker 3 (01:51:57):
Yeah, one with nature. I can see that. Ah right,
We're gonna play some more messages Begary shortly. It is
eight to four the.

Speaker 1 (01:52:04):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and every
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Speaker 4 (01:52:10):
Afternoons us talks, it'd.

Speaker 2 (01:52:12):
Be it is five to four. Tell you who's buddy
good net in seed. If they've got everything you got, Yeah, yeah,
you got your your tall fescue, you got your bermuda,
your quell, your grass, whatever you want, greens keeper choice
and all your lawn fertilizer. And I tell you what's
good is your lawn summer stressed defense because in Auckland

(01:52:34):
City the lawns take a pounding in summer.

Speaker 3 (01:52:37):
Yeah, it comes down hard that their sun and vitamin D.

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
Yeah absolutely. I mean they're either going very well or
they're under under juris so Newton Seed. They're good people.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
Dot co dot ends it if you want to go
check them out. But they seem to know their stuff
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
That brings us the end of the show. Thank you
so much for listening everyone, another fantastically fun show. Had
had a really good time today. The podcast will be
up in about an hour if you want to listen
to our chat saying miss if you missed any of
our chats, you know, the great and powerful Heatherdop of
c Allen is up next. But tell me, Tyler, why
would I be playing this song by Madness.

Speaker 3 (01:53:11):
Great June our house Zechaus. We had that great discussion
and about mpeace properties and who gives a damn if
they've done well in life?

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
Yes, they're pretty close, very accurate. Tyler nailed it all right.
You seem busy. We'll let you go until tomorrow afternoon.
Give a taste of Kiwi from US bless you.

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