Full Show Podcast: 11 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello you great New Zealander, and welcome to Mattin title
full show podcast number two six two for the eleventh
of December. We did all our topics again today.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Got them all out.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
I think we did yep. Nothing on the cutting room floor.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Shocking Christmas party chat, but we're an additional thing that
we added to the show. That last minute was a
chat right at the end of the show with a
scientist from Attaging University looking into the increased life inspectancy
of mammals who have been carstrated. Yeah, so if you
want to live longer, then off the back wheels.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yep, chop them off. You get a good ten percent
out of that.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yep, or whatever the equivalent it is of getting spade
is it? Is it called spade in humans?

Speaker 5 (00:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (00:59):
I think, yeah, yeah, I can think you can spade
a human.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
I mean there is obviously trade offs.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yeah, hard trade offs. But it was a fantastic show.
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Speaker 2 (01:10):
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Speaker 1 (01:12):
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Speaker 3 (01:23):
Very very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Thursday show.
I hope you're doing pretty well. You're listening in this lovely,
lovely country of our scared a, Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yet a, Tyler good a everyone, You're great New Zealanders.
Thanks for tuning in to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams
Afternoons on News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
He'd be the a res and nineteen nine two is
the text now, mate of I've got to we thank
you to say to you, yes that you've been you've
been upgrading a few things and you've moved into a
house and you needed some some new stuff to populate
your living environment at the moment. So that means I've actually,
I've actually benefited quite a lot from this situation there

(01:59):
that I'm getting a few nice things from you that
you no longer have room for, but they are still
perfectly good, perfectly amazing, and it saved me a lot
of money. So this one was the tenth the tenths fantastic.
Got it up the other weekend. Everything's there, it's huge.
It's just going to go down a treat over summer.
But the one I've been really excited by is the
coffee machine. When you text me that night and said,

(02:20):
and it was a week picture of the beautiful and
espresso coffee machine, and say, hey, do you want this?
Hell yeah, I want that, And you dropped it off
the next day. So I set it up that night.
And maybe it's pride of place in the kitchen, sits
right next to We don't even really need the kettle anymore,
but so it's next to the kettle and loving it.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Nothing better than just a real coffee to sit out there,
get bitten by the mossies on a lovely morning in
the sun. It's a game change. It makes so thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Think I'm so pleased that you're getting some use out
of it. But when you say I needed more space,
what I actually did is replace that smaller coffee machine
with the delongy special Asta Opera, which is a very
complicated coffee machine. To the point now where I'm deciding
exactly on the coarseness of the beans and this boy,

(03:08):
there's so many different factors. I'm basically a professional barista
every morning in my house. And if I move the
coarseness a little bit, Tracy comes in and goes my coffee.
Coffee's bitter, bitter? Did you adjust the coarseness? What are
you doing?

Speaker 3 (03:21):
What's happened to you?

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Man?

Speaker 3 (03:22):
You send through a photo of that coffee machine, and
I had to think, Holy moly, that is an upgrade.
It's a beautiful looking machine.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
I'll tell you what. The auto tampering is amazing.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, there's a small joys in life, though, wasn't it.
They're just making a good cup of coffee, And I
know I still get that joy from an espresso, even
though the coffee machine does the work. There's still just
something about that, that routine and that habit that's just
really at such a good start of the day. So
thank you, Maye.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
No, it is. It's it's making a ritual out of
your coffee and making yourself a specialist in an area
that you really don't need to be.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yeah. So anything else you got, you know where you'll
find a good home. Okay right here?

Speaker 2 (03:59):
All right, Well, I've got a pretty scummy, rotten, old
vanity unit in the bathroom that I'm about to throw
in the in the in the into the refuse transfer center.
So I'll drop that round at your house.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
I'll take it. Yeah, right on to today's show, after
three o'clock. Christmas parties. Now, obviously they're ramping up. We've
got our own one tomorrow right here at enzid Me,
but they are, you know, popping up left, right and
center around the country. So we won't even chat about
the dos and don'ts at Christmas parties. But there's another
story today talking about general parties and get togethers. At

(04:32):
this time of year, the term ghosting gets thrown around.
So this is where if you haven't heard ghosting before,
or the Irish goodbye some people say it. I think
you can still say that where you effectively leave a
party and you do not tell anybody that you're leaving.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, I'm a huge fan of this, absolutely because if
people have had a few drinks and when you're leaving
you go and say goodbye, you hurt them because they're like,
I know you're leaving, why you're leaving. There's a sad
moment about it. If you just leave, they don't notice,
and then it's fine, and then you know what, I've
stayed around at parties, trying to leave saying goodbye, and
then you know you're there really late. And then you

(05:08):
talk to the next day and they go, what time
do you leave? And you go, you can't even remember
because your di had too many drinks exactly. They rube
your back in for a few more. But that is
after three o'clock, after two o'clock. Greats three in the
Herald at the moment about a woman who mentions the
seven things you should know before you turn into your parents.
So she's listed as she's grown up, she's realizing she's
slowly but surely turning into her own mother.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
And there's a lot of truth. That's a beautifully written
article and go check it out. But there's a lot
of truth. And this is what we want to talk about.
When you slowly start to realize that you are turning
into your dad or your mum as you get a
bit older.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Well, isn't there the saying that you know in your
twenties you're rebelling, then after your turn thirty, your thirties
and forties are all about realizing that your parents were
right about everything. Yeah, it's so true, you rebelled about it.
And then but then there's that thing when you see
some video footage and you go, oh, my god, on
my dad, or you look in the mirror one day
and say, on my dad, Yeah, when had that happened?

(06:08):
When did that happen on my mum? So when was
that moment that you realized that you were turning into
your parents? I think it starts around twenty nine to thirty.
You one day you're brushing your teeth and you go,
I'm turning into my dad.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Oh no, I know their face. Yeah, that's going to
be a good chat after two o'clock. But right now,
let's have a chat about migration into New Zealand. So
the phrase that's been used many times over the past
couple of years is as the great brain drain, where
tens of thousands of our best and brighters apparently we're
leaving for greener pastures. But the stats are starting to
turn around and this is a great thing. So the

(06:41):
number suggests we have turned a corner on the old
brain drain. From stats New Zealand, it shows in October
it lifted in terms of migration, immigrants coming back into
the country seven percent on the year before, while departures
dropped a huge fourteen percent, and for migrant arrivals, the
largest group with citizens from New Zealand at twenty six
thousand Kiwis coming home.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
So twenty six thousand Kiwis who were living overseas decided
for whatever reason that they were going to move back
to New Zealand and set up their life here, which
is the population of Timaru, Queenstown or Topol, whole, decent
sized places have moved back. And this is a story
we should be celebrating. I personally think this constant running

(07:26):
down of New Zealand and this all almost celebrating people
for leaving stupid. We need to be talking up New
Zealand so the people that are overseas and are seeing
our media don't see us constantly winging and making up
more and more stories about how bad it is here
when it's actually pretty good here. Because we want these
Kiwi citizens to come back and it is good here.

(07:48):
I was overseas and I came back and love it here,
absolutely love it here. So if you've got someone in
your family or yourself have come back to New Zealand
at whatever point, why did you come back and how
is it being back here in New Zealand I get
really annoyed when I see these people, absolutely, like I

(08:09):
saw this muppet on TikTok that was telling people they
were idiots to stay in New Zealand, this Kiwi guy
and getting likes and clicks around running down your country.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
It's a strange thing, isn't it. It's a smugness by
lean into your own country that you've been raised up
in that has done a lot of good for whoever
you are. If you've grown up here, the country arguably
has delivered a lot for you, and you're very lucky.
But then to get smug and somehow get a kick
out of running it down, And so I'm glad everybody's

(08:41):
so weak.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
And look, whilst absolutely we should, you know, if you
want to go overseas and try and make it and
all that kind of stuff, but you shouldn't be celebrated
for it, like you have some kind of somehow superior
to the people that are staying and making the community
better here in New Zealand and giving something back and
making a go of it here. You're somehow more morally

(09:03):
worthy because you're upsticks and run overseas for your own
personal gain. Good on you, absolutely, but you're not better
than the people that are staying here, and twenty six
thousand people have come back because, for whatever reason in
the last year they decided that New Zealand was where
they wanted to be. So are you one of those

(09:24):
people would love to hear from you IO one hundred
and eighty ten eighty or a member of your family
would love love to hear from you.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Let's get into this one. It's going to be a
great chat. Nine two ninety two is that text number
as well? But come on through it is quarter past one.
Will be back very surely.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
The only people coming back of the dead wood coming
home to go on a benefit, says Shannon.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Oh come on, you're better than that. Shme on, it's Christmas.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Come on, you're better than that.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons US talks.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
That'd be for a good afternoons. You're seventeen past one,
so we're keen to hear from you. If you've recently
come back into the country after being overbroad, if you've
got a family member that has decided to come back
to New Zealand on the back of stats New Zealand
figures just released that show arrivals to New Zealand has
increased seven percent on the year before and departures of
drop forteen percent. In analysts say the old brain drain

(10:19):
is starting to turn a corner. So can you hear
from you.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
I've come back from Europe because the climate over there
is deteriorating fast. I've been watching New Zealand and seeing
its stable government under national is a good thing, and
already secured jobs for myself and my wife.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Good Man, there you go, Hi, Tyler and Matt.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
The kiwis returning home. We are listed globally as the
third safest country in the world. Also, if you listen
to Sky News out of Australia, they have all sorts
of problems ahead of them, chairs Denise. Yeah, it's funny.
If you watch Australian media there is absolutely no celebrating
the state of Australia over there.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, they absolutely whinge about their country.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
That is a thing that people do. People whinge about
where they are because that's what they're experiencing, that's the
waters they're swimming in. So if there's any I'm looking
for a metaphor. Here, if there's any anything wrong in
the water, I don't know. If anyone's weed in the
water here, then that's the water you're swimming in.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
It's good metaphor.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
And also you go overseas and there is this honeymoon
period when you first get over to another country. For
the first six months you go, oh, this is new,
this is amazing, this is good. But then as you
start to get entrenched. You know, when I move to London,
when you you know, it's so good, it's so great.
I'm getting around on the tuber. And then you try
and get anything done at your house, and or you

(11:39):
try and get you know, you try and you know,
we were doing a lot of filming over there. You
try and get any sort of admin done any site,
anytime you have to deal with the government over there
or the council over there. It is so much harder
to get things done over there. And eventually the weight
of where you are takes over.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, that grass is green and fallacy, and just quickly
I each you got some family members who they're coming
back over Christmas. They've been in Melbourne for the past
eighteen months. Young, very young, in their thirties, and they
made a good go in Melbourne. But I think the
big thing for them is one they knew they couldn't
get into a house in Melbourne, so they've coming back
to New Zealand to buy a house. But they missed

(12:19):
the community here they generally and they gave it a
good go, and they loved parts of Australia, as you say,
but it was I think for them quite difficult to
set up that same community that they had here in
New Zealand. And they tried. They joined all sorts of clubs,
they were going out to bars, meeting people, workmates, all
the rest of it, but very difficult for them. It
just wasn't the same. They had a good support network,

(12:39):
but not the same as they have here.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, and there's these sort of secondary and third round
of sort of community that get you got your immediate family,
but then there's friends from school, and then there's people
that you run into, and there's friends of the family.
There's a support network that's sort of invisible till you
don't have it anymore.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
So true, Yeah, that's around.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Heaps of Kiwis went on their oe after COVID two
or three years ago and they now realize New Zealand
is where they want to live and they're coming back
to settle down this text. Get your thoughts on this.

Speaker 6 (13:12):
Well, I mean, Australia is an amazing place for one
like I understand why people would move there. There's you know,
things are a lot cheaper, even though people say it's not,
it actually is. Like to buy a house in person
is a lot cheaper than buying a house here.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Well, it depends, depends if you want to buy a
house in parts of New Zealand, it's a lot cheaper
than person.

Speaker 6 (13:34):
That's true, yes, but for a major city, you know,
you sort of have to be in Auckland if you
want to build your business in a certain way. You know,
it's had with only having Auckland as a major city.
Sorry to not mention Wellington, but it kind of doesn't
seem to sactor in too much in my mind anyway,
Age I'm wrong.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
What about cross chach Cross each a good place?

Speaker 7 (13:57):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (13:58):
Yes, I've never been there.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's the place everyone's talking up now. I haven't lived
in Australia for any length of time. I've spend a
bit of time. They haven't even lived there. As Perth
considered a major city. I feel like, you.

Speaker 6 (14:12):
Know, absolutely right, I think, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
What's the population just off your top of your head.
I'm looking up at it now, But are we talking
a couple of hundred.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Thousand, two point three million? There by a long oh my,
oh my goodness. Okay, I've got Perth totally wrong. That's
a huge city. Wow. Okay, yeah, And it's property quite
cheap in Perth, cat.

Speaker 6 (14:40):
I mean yeah, you can buy a unit, say an
hour out of the city for still a quarter of
a million, like you know, one bedroom unit, something small.
But you can still get on the property ladder for
again as possible, you know, to get on the ladder.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Very different in places like Melbourne and Sydney and Brisbane
that wasn't a cat.

Speaker 6 (15:01):
Yes, yes, I don't. I think that once Australians actually
realized how good per there's going to be a mass
Excident's because I do hear it. When I was there,
I was hearing that a lot of people were starting
to not like the Eastern States and moving over to
first So I think pers is going to grow a
lot in the next decade. But the great thing about

(15:24):
person I noticed is that it seemed to have forward
planning that doesn't really have Like you drive around and
you're like, oh, wow, they've actually planned this city for
the future. There's some thought in there.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
Do you know what.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
I'm just reading up on Perth because you brought it
up and I've realized how ignorant I am around Perth.
By the mid twenty thirties, it's expected to have a
population of three point five million.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Wow they boy boy, they are growing fast. Wow.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (15:54):
I mean it's an amazing place in my mind. It's
like paradise. It is hot. The first couple of years
out there, I hated it, but now I miss it.
It's I missed the summers there, Like winter is basically
non existent. You might get a few rainy days. It's amazing.
It's such a good place and people West Australians are
amazing people. I don't know really about Eastern Australians, but

(16:15):
West Australians are amazing. They're so beautiful and kind and
they treated me like family over there.

Speaker 8 (16:22):
For real.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
It's interesting Perth because from a New Zealand perspective, it
seems like a long way away. It's what seven and
a half hour flight, doesn't it?

Speaker 5 (16:31):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (16:31):
What that be right from Auckland.

Speaker 5 (16:33):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 6 (16:34):
Yeah, that's not that long though, you.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Know how much how much how much would a house
be though an hour out of say christ Church would
be interesting someone will know on on one hundred and
eighty ten eighty, because you can get pretty good deals
on townhouses quite centrally in christ Church. Yeah, if you
want to, If you want.

Speaker 6 (16:51):
The population, what's the population of christ.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Pushing five pushing half a mil?

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah, is a city well, not compared to obviously, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (17:05):
It sort of feels like you're comparing christ Church to
per And I get where you are because it kind
of makes sense, but it doesn't really compare.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
And of course these people would like to be referred
to as New Zealand's perth. You if you're you know,
a one eyed can tear, are you the perth of
New Zealand?

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Come on through?

Speaker 6 (17:24):
Really, honestly, I can't say enough good things about it. Like,
the only thing is it is an then sorry, the
nanny state, and you've got to follow the rules. There's
a rule for everything.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yes, that's what a lot of people say the Australia
that you know, we think that we are over regulated,
but you try living in Sydney and try and do anything,
you know, alcohols in the.

Speaker 6 (17:44):
Street here, everything's so easy to do here, really, like
it's tough for Australia, you know, it really is.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah, well that's a good thing for us kiwi's And
I take it that you're enjoying life here now. Key,
you lived in Perth for a long time, but you
love it, love it back here in New Zealand.

Speaker 6 (18:02):
Yeah, I'm definitely enjoying these warmer days. People are like, oh,
it's hot, and I'm like, it's warm.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
That's spoken like a true Western Australian yees. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (18:13):
No, I do love New Zealand and I am very
proud to be a Kiwi for sure. Like it means
a lot to me to be, you know, to call
myself a Kiwi. I'd rather that than say am Australian.
I just think that moving forward, I just think that
we need to have some creative thought in what's really
going on and how we can make our country better

(18:35):
because we used to be at the top of the game.
You know, we used to sort of be known as
doing first and doing things in the world first and
having the best sports people and we still do have
the best sports people, but it seems to have just
sort of dropped.

Speaker 9 (18:48):
Off a bit.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Do you think that has become a sort of, for
one of a better word, a sport in New Zealand
of running New Zealand down. I feel like it used
to be that we talked up, we don't know how
lucky we are, and we're walking around going New Zealand's
fantastics incredible. I mean I grew up in Dunedin and
there was so much pro Dunedin and the tiger hype
down there when I was going up, and I mean

(19:09):
so much to the point where I didn't realize that
that our weather wasn't that good down there.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
I thought it was amazing because people were just beautiful thing.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
People just talked it up. Do do you think that
the New Zealanders have started talking us ourselves down too much?

Speaker 6 (19:20):
Cat Yeah, that it does sound a bit like that actually,
But I think the tall poppy syndrome is really what's
bringing us down. It's really it's It's something I noticed
soon as I returned. I was like, whoa, this is
this is bad. It's just embarrassing that we are so
terrible at that.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Well, that's one of THEO. If you put it that way,
it's just jealousy, isn't it. I thank you so much
for your call. CAT appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yeah, what a great call. Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number to call? Love to hear
from you. If you've recently had family members return, why
are they returning to New Zealand? Nine nine till was
a text twenty seven past one.

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Speaker 3 (20:45):
It's one thirty. So we are discussing the idea of
the brain drain starting to turn a corner. That's according
to stats in z figures that show tens of thousands
of Kiwis are now starting to return home and analysts
say we may be starting to turn that corner. So
if you've recently come back into New Zealand from living overseas,
love to hear from you on oh, eight hundred and

(21:05):
eighty ten eighty that text number nine two ninety two.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Christ Church is a lovely city, is a lovely place,
but it is not a city. It's a town that
grew a little bit bigger.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Jake, there's a little bit of truth for that. Christonians.
Is that Christonians, you call them Cantabrians. They won't like
hearing that, but it is, you know, it's effectively Christonians Christians,
christ Churchians, you're Frost Churchians, you're from there, Maine. Yeah,
I know I should get it right, So let's say Cantabrians.
I think it goes out. So I think it is

(21:37):
a town that just turned into a city and now
people were starting to love it because it's got a
beautiful stadium.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, and I think that's this thing that happens when
you go overseas where you were willing to live much
further away from the center, but in New Zealand we
expect to live really close.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Great point.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
So people talking about living an hour out of town
in Perth and the price is only that So this Texas, Hey, lads,
we bought a three bedroom house in Amblee on a
nine hundred meters square section for four hundred and fifty k.
That's about forty minutes out of christ So it's definitely
achievable to own your own house here. And Belie's great too.
It's small but has everything you need. Cheers Nick. So

(22:14):
if you're in a big city and people that move
to hear from Britain and someone might call up about this,
so e one hundred and eighty ten eighty they laugh
at you know when we talk about, you know how
hard it is to get into the city, and they
move to the North Shore and go what we'll yeah,
this is.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Pretty closely, this is pretty close. Takes me twenty eight
minutes to drive to work. Says that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Left New Zealand in the nineteen ninety moved to Singapore.
To six two thousand and six is probably a better
way to say that Matt and got absolutely zero help
or support in Singapore. Lost everything, job, income, savings. New
Zealand was the only country that would let me my
wife in during COVID Australia said she had to wait
outside oswell they assessed her application. We arrived eight September

(22:59):
twenty twenty and they have never looked back. New Zealand
is the best country. We've toured, the whole country, and
it is the best great job for us, both temperate weather.
We are blessed in fortunate and the best gift I
could give my wife as New Zealand citizenship. She's even
been welcomed by politicians and governors general. My only gripe
is that New Zealand is far too lenient on crime.
Returning from Singapore, where fifteen grams as execution and therefore

(23:22):
Serra drug problems. We've loved being back and we're only
saying this, how blessed, lucky and fortunate. We were only
just saying how blessed luck unfortunate we feel, and so
full of gratitude, so loving it here just bringing the
death penalty.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah, they don't make around in Singapore today. Right back
in a moment. But taking your calls on oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty if you or a family member
have recently come back to New Zealand, can to hear
from you about why. Headlines with Rayling coming up twenty
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Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Thank you very much, Raileen. Twenty three to two. So
we're talking about the reverse of the brain drain. Stats
out from Stat's News Zeland, of course, show that seems
to be the case. Twenty six thousand Kiwis have returned
back into the country in the year to October. That's
a seven percent increase in departures have drop fourteen percent.
So if that's you or members of your family they've
come back to New Zealand, love to hear from you

(25:22):
about why. I wait, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number?

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Christ Church? These people saying that christ Church is not
a city, that it's a town.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Population four hundred and ten thousand went up one percent
in the last year. Four hundred and ten thousand is
a city, Come on, it's good number. The stick says,
if it's got a cathedral, then it's a city.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Well, it's a pretty rough cathedral at the moment, to
be honest. And christ Church it's there, it's just you know,
just a little bit holy.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
That's not the only cathedral in christ Church. So was it.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
There's a cardboard cathedral, you know that was that was
whacked up for five million? Say, yeah, there's a cardboard cathedral.
There's the cathedral that's a ruin at the moment. And
the basilica. Did they rebuild the basilica? Someone will know
text through nine two nine two. I think they did
rebuild the basilica. The Catholic Cathedral is beautiful.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
So it's got main cathedrals, right, Yeah, there's the Cathedral
of the Blessed Sacrament and the Cathedral of Saint Mary.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
So there's there's a couple of cathedrals in there.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
So what is the definition of a city. Let's look
into this. What is the definition of a city. And
then we'll get back to that because you know, I'm
from Dunedin and if you if you're going to try
and take christ Church's city status.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Away, then what does that mean for DNA?

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Then Donners is in trouble. Learn you know some people
that have returned to New Zealand.

Speaker 11 (26:38):
Yes, and I'll tell you that christ You's just always
been a city, never not been a city, not a
small town. So don't let them know.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
That terrible.

Speaker 11 (26:50):
They don't know the history. There's nine people link to us.
So they're coming back from Australia, including our son and
daughter in law who's the Adelaide girl. And but they're
coming back and my son they have a job, and
the other family the five of them, six of them,

(27:15):
and they've decided to come back. They've lived in Sydney
or just the outer regions of Sydney and they're coming
back here. And so that's nine people that we know.
So yeah, and I must say that Adelaide's a beautiful
city where daughter in law comes from. And know they

(27:35):
want to change and my son quite keen to come back,
and they're very keen, both of them, and they're going
to and.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
They're going to come back to was it christ Church?

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yes, there yet And do you think that because all
the talk around christ Church is positive at the moment,
do you think that that you know, so if you're overseas,
and when you're overseas and you're an expect key, you're
you get you're still looking at the media and you're
still reading what's happening here. And and there's been a
lot of people getting clicks and likes and follows from

(28:07):
running running down New Zealand. But the talk about christ
Church has been has been very good. And do you
think do you think that helps helps people coming back
if they get online and then people are saying positive stuff.

Speaker 11 (28:18):
Yeah, yeah, I think so. But he's always had that fashion,
you know, he's yearned to come back and the time
has come. They've discussed it and that's it. And he's
got We've got our daughter here and her family that
came back here from Wellington two years ago. So yeah,
so that's the pool too. I think the family all

(28:38):
together again after twenty four years.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
How good. Yeah, welcoming back to New Zealand, Great kiws So.
In New Zealand, a city is legally defined as a
territorial authority with a population of at least fifty thousand,
you've got to tick over fifty thousand. So forty nine
hundred and ninety nine. Not a city, yep, you're a
town over fifty thousand, so I know, so fifty thousand.
It has to be over fifty thousand being a predominantly

(29:02):
urban area, a distinct entity in a major center of activity.
So I mean, how do you define what a major's
interactivity is?

Speaker 3 (29:09):
That donedd sounds like donated, it's a major's interactivity. It's
a lot going on in mate.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Dadian's got one hundred and forty thousand people. It is
one hundred and forty Dunedin.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah, jesus, I'm out of the loop on the population game.
So Perce got two point three million, Dunedin's one hundred
and forty. What's Nelson these days? Nelson's the city, isn't
it now? Okay, okay, I'll walk that back.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
It's one hunt it's currently in the last census, and
we all know the last census was a lot of rubbish.
But one hundred and thirty one thousand, three hundred people
in Dunedin. So that's that's nearly you know, give it
a few years and it'll be three times a city.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Go donners, Bruce, how are you?

Speaker 13 (29:49):
Who's that? Tony? Is that me?

Speaker 2 (29:50):
That is Bruce? Welcome to the show.

Speaker 13 (29:53):
Yeah, oh guys, how's it going very good? Yeah? Hey, listen, well,
I haven't lived in Nazi Azi. We've been over a
number of times. We do have the odd relation over there.
But you know, just a few little facts about people
who think it's so cheap to live over there. Firsty,
car insurance is incredibly expensive. That's That's the first thing.

(30:19):
A thing that's dear to my heart, which is alcohol,
especially b or something. I was with a guy in
the supermarket just up from home here in Hamilton, and
we were both looking at the liquor. Shouldn't be doing it,
but and he said, mate, he said, you're cheap over here.

(30:40):
I said, he said, you know a six pack? He said,
it's seventeen dollars ninety five for a six pack. That's
Australian too, So you know, that's that's not only that
electricity prices over there rising rapidly. They were supposed to

(31:02):
be coming down because Elbow promised two hundred and seventy
five dollars cheaper at the original election, but he's wound
that back in action. In fact, they've put it up
because the cost of trying to go on the renewables
over there is the skyrocketed because of the huge distance
that you have to put so far as wiring and

(31:24):
everything goes on. Housing. Now, housing in Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane,
in the reasonable city part would be out of the
reach of a fair chunk of any New Zealanders you
were going to. If you want to buy a house,
yes you can, but you have to go a long

(31:45):
way house. And remember that you have to pay there's
a tax on it. I can't think what the word
is now that there's a stamp duty. You've got to
pay stamp duty on a house. Okay, so the price
is the price and then you pay the stamp duty,
which is another tax on. So that goes on top

(32:05):
of the price of what what you pay for the
for the house. And you know, like food prices, they
don't have GST on their food. But for instance, my
spread that I use, it's a nine ninety five in
New Zealand. There was nine to ninety five in Australia.
Now that was just one example, but it's you can

(32:27):
take some things that are cheaper than some things that
are cheaper here, but overall you'll find that.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
Oh.

Speaker 13 (32:34):
The other big thing, of course is the base rate.
The Reserve Bank in Australia has failed to drop the
base rate for the last three quarters and it's still
at three point eight out of courses. You know is
I think it's at two point twenty five if I
remember right. So this is all adding a third of

(32:56):
Australians and you can check it on Sky News are
actually having problems with their mortgage areas. Okay, so you
see this is just the things I mean, and and
just the last thing. Everywhere you go, something's trying to
kill you.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
That's so very true. Not the land of the Honey.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
I was talking Overdrive last night. He grew up in Fiji,
and he was talking about how fantastic Fiji village life
was because he was saying he was so happy. He
didn't have undies until he was sixteen, but he said
he didn't mind. They were very poor, but he said,
you know, you could just eat. It was just food
to grab off trees everywhere, so you could run around
as a kid. And I said, but what if you
lie down and you get eaten by a snake and

(33:36):
he goes, no, no, there's nothing that will kill you
in Fiji, not like Australia. Yeah, well no, you lie
down in some bush and Australia and basically rolling the
dice of life. Yeah, the ocera is at two point
twenty five, by the way. But great call from you.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Bruce, Thank you very much, taking more of your calls
on one hundred and eighteen eighty. This Texasy is christ
which is basically a city on borrowed time. It's built
on swampy, low lying ground that's already sinking add and
rising sea levels and stronger storms from climate change, and
sooner or later parts of it are going underwater. This
is not alarmist, it's just reality we're facing. But you
guys are basically setting people up for disaster. Tell him

(34:13):
to walk down there.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, well I.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
There's a lot of christ hutch hate look come through
on the text.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Move down there, just maybe pick up a snorkel built
them from the warehouse.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Get a good kayak.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
All right.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
It is fourteen to two.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends
and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
used talks that'd.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Be eleven to two if you were a family member.
Have recently returned to New Zealand, really can have a
chat with your eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, it
seems according to Stats New Zealand, the brain drain might
be turned in the corner.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
I never had a problem with snakes or spiders and
was in a rural area. Mostly it's not what you
think about Australia. Yeah, yeah, but we've got to start
running down Australia, don't you. Instead of people making their
their livings and getting their likes and clicks and social
media status from crapping all over New Zealand, let's just
keep running down the Let's run down Australia and talk

(35:06):
up New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Okay, why wouldn't you? And there's a heap of snakes
and spiders over there. Everything will kill you, no doubt
about it.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Hi, guys, My twenty four or twenty four year old
daughter returns to New Zealand on Saturday. She went to
I was he two years ago, earning a much higher
salary and lived close to her Brisbane job the River
and Parks. She joined sports clubs, traveled for work and leisure.
When I asked her if she had any regrets deciding
to return home, she simply said, the people I love
and want to hang out with are here in aatiera
in New Zealand. Pretty good reason in my mind. I'm happy.

(35:33):
I'm a happy mum and won't argue with that. Great show.
Have a great Christmas cheers, Anne.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
That is beautiful. What a great daughter, Barrye. You're an
Australian from Newcastle?

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Was that right?

Speaker 14 (35:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah, good man.

Speaker 15 (35:45):
I moved over here. I was actually on the third
floor out of sitting me up. The borders open in
May of one?

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Oh wow?

Speaker 2 (35:56):
And so had you decided to move but you know
was shut down or you just decided during the lockdown
times to move.

Speaker 16 (36:05):
I actually was going to.

Speaker 15 (36:06):
Move before the pandemic and the job that I came
to the Luckily they held it open for me. I
was you have come over here in May of twenty twenty?

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Nice? And what made you make the move to New Zealand?

Speaker 16 (36:24):
Ah?

Speaker 15 (36:25):
Lifestyle? Yeah, lifestyle mainly.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
And where did you move to?

Speaker 15 (36:33):
I live just outside of Talfo.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Oh lovely, Oh good spot.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
I'm off the tomorrow for the weekend. What a place,
what a spot, what a part of the world.

Speaker 15 (36:45):
Yeah, me and my wife.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah, and you're happy with the movie.

Speaker 16 (36:48):
Oh love it mate, love it.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Never Sorry, we're.

Speaker 15 (36:52):
Only waiting until May next year and we can get
our citizenship on you.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Welcome on board, Barry, what a good man. Welcome to
New Zealand, your legend right backing the mo. It is
eight to two.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Maddies, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talks.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Envy, very good afternoons here. It is six two two
and we have been talking about the reversal of the
brain drain stats New Zealand figures are showing that is
starting to turn around.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah. So as I was saying, for twenty six thousands
Kiwi citizens return to New Zealand's that's a big nanity.
But that's a big town coming back to New Zealand,
and it's good. And for me it's I think New
Zealand is a fantastic place to live. But I think
we need to be talking it up here. Yeah, because
we've just got into this cycle of winging and whining

(37:46):
and running down where we are and talking up overseas places.
Why would we do that? A little bit of gratitude
for our country. And so when our expats look at
New Zealand media, they should see positivity about it. Yeah,
we need to start shaming the people that run things down.
Someone that's putting up a TikTok saying New Zealand's crap
and you should leave. They're doing it for their own benefit,

(38:08):
those people. Those people are running it down for the
clicks and likes and financial game for themselves. So when
people do that, we need to start calling them traitors.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Yeah, they're not patriots.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Ungrateful WIMPs. I mean, if you can't handle it in
New Zealand, sure go overseas if you want to when
you want to try other things. But let's not celebrate
people for running down New Zealand. And let's not celebrate
people for leaving. Let's celebrate the people that stay in
New Zealand and work hard for the community and make
the place a better place.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Yep, that's all we want here, Not.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
What your country can do for you, but what you
can do for your country.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
That kind of attitude, Yeah, beautifully said this text would
mirror that opinion. Get our guys. Our son returned home
two weeks ago after two years. He says, the grass
is not greener in Australia. Bigger population, bigger issues, heavy traffic, crime,
climate change, becoming too hot, rents too high, housing too expensive,
too many things that kill you. If you want lifestyle

(39:02):
and work nearby, you need to come to New Zealand.
There's no better place.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
There's all these people that say, look, I've got a
relationship and moved over to Australia and bought a house
a mere ninety minutes out of somewhere for four hundred
and fifty thousand dollars. You can find places like that
in New Zealand if you're willing to live a bit
further out.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Yep, certainly can. Yeah, it's boost up our own country.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
And this person's sticking up for Christich, they said. This
person said Christ which isn't borrowed time, Try Wellington and Auckland.
You guys will be gone within days.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Okay, shocks fires, All right, great discussion. Thank you very
much for everyone who called in text over that last
fifteen minutes coming up after two o'clock. How do you
know when you're slowly turning into your parents. So eight
one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
That's when you have big grants like I just had before.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Thanks Dad, you support it. Weather coming up.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor
Adams afternoons news talks.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
It'd be very good afternoons. You welcome back into the
show sex past too. So many people eventually realize I
think they're starting to behave a lot like the appearance.
As often in small subtle ways that creep in over time,
you might catch yourself repeating the same phrases they've used,
reacting as situations the way they would, or offering the
kind of advice you once heard from your own parents.

(40:23):
This is after. It was a great story in The
Hero well worth a read. It's titled seven Signs You
Were Turning into your Mother, and the author sort of
goes through those little moments she's had in her life
that she does realize I am turning into mum.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Is that a good or a bad thing? I wonder,
because there is that understanding and I said it before
that you know you spend your late teens and twenties
rebelling against your parents and thinking that they were wrong
about a lot of stuff. And then your thirties you
start to think, oh, they are right about a few things.
And by the time you forty, you go, maybe my

(40:56):
dad was right about everything.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that is one of the things
this author mentions. So one of the seven is you
realize where your mother and it can be your father
was coming from. Is you have the same fights with
your kids. Well, that happens to a lot of parents.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Well, I think one of the things that you realize
and yeah, one hundred and eighty ten eighty, when did
you realize you were turning into your parents and whether
that was a good thing or a bad thing. But
I think one thing you realize when you have kids
is that your parents weren't infallible. They were just mucking through.
They were just humans. And you know, if you think

(41:30):
about I think about my parents, I mean, they had
four kids before they were thirty, so you know, they're
just kids themselves.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
At that point, so you've got these parents and you
think that they are sort of the oracles of the
truth in life and everything, and you realize that they
were just making it up. They were going. Now I'm
a parent, I got I'm just what do I do here?
What's the right thing to do? You know, they're making mistakes,
they're still growing, so you know they're going to get
some things something's wrong, but they do get a lot right.

(42:04):
And you know, I've caught myself being very much like
my father. And I said this to my partner Tracy.
I said, sometimes I think a bit like my dad,
and she said, you are exactly your dad. You you know,
everything you say about your dad, I can say about you. Yep,
And I think that's kind.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Of a good thing. Yeah, it's kind of the apple
doesn't fall far from the tree. And I think you're
absolutely right. And going back to that realization when you
realize that your parents were just trying their best and
going through as best they could. But it was, as
you say, as a kids, they've laid down the law,
and the parents know best because they're adults. They must know.
They are all wise and all knowing, and even though

(42:42):
I might not like it and I'll question it, at
the end of the day, they are the ones that
that set the rules and know. But you realize and
you get a bit older and say, hey, I don't
really know too much about my life at the moment,
and I'm still, you know, trying to swim against the tide.
And my parents were exactly the same.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
And if your parents put a roof over your head,
feed you, and loved you, then you've got to be
reasonably grateful to them. I mean, obviously there's terrible parents
that do terrible things, and we're not talking about those people.
You know, there are obvious, horrible, horrible, horrible parents out there,
but most parents are pretty good and did their best.
And you have those moments where you go, oh my god,

(43:17):
my dad was working so hard. He must have been
so stressed. And you have these people that spend their
whole life complaining about little things that their parents did
and try and claim that it ruined their life. Yeah,
but you know, if they kept you alive and didn't
do horrible things to you, then they were pretty good people.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Yeah. There's one thing that comes to mind instantly that
that happened in the last couple of years. Actually, that
dad used to do. So he would work hard, he
was a sparky then he would come come through say
hello family, love you all, and then he'd go to
his little reading space, close the door, and we weren't
allowed to disturb him until tea time. So and I thought,
come on, Dad, you know, do you really need that
quiet time? Now I understand the value of that quiet time.

(43:58):
I freaking love that quiet time when I get home
and say to Mave and see little pep of the
dog and say love you all. I'm just going into
my little space just for an hour, just to do
what I want to do.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Yeah. Well, I remember when I was always impressed with
how long my dad would spend in the bathroom, And
now I kind of get it. It's a bit of
a cent truth.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
It's a great place. O. One hundred eighty ten eighty
is the number to call love to hear from you.
When did you start to realize you were becoming more
like your parents?

Speaker 2 (44:24):
When you start seeing your parents photos of native birds
in your garden and you shoot growing on a plant
or videos, then you know you're turning into your parents.
My parents always seeing videos of sunset.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
That's a great one. Nine two nine two is the
text number. But really going to hear from you, Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty back very shortly. It is
eleven bus too.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
By the saying goes, by the time you realize your
parents were right, you've got kids telling you you were
you were wrong.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
That's so true.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Your home of afternoon talk, mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Very good afternoon. So when did you realize you were
turning into your parents? On the back of a lovely
article in the New Zealand Herald which is titled seven
Ways to know You're turning into your mother, and the
author goes through little moments in her life when she
realized she is actually turning into her own mother. Oh
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to
call loved to hear from you. Nine two niney two

(45:27):
is the text as well.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
You should try and be as different from your parents
as you possibly can be, says sus Tector. What a
ridiculous suggestion, like it's good to be like your dad.
Your parents are likely bigoted with old fashioned ideas. I
am twenty nine and I see nothing good in my parents.
They fed me, and they love me, and they put
a roof over my head. Yes, but my dad was
at work all the time and my mom didn't even
have a job. What kind of an example is a

(45:51):
stay at home mum? My sisters and I talk about this.
My parents made some bad and shocking jokes when we
were kids that I still think about. I think my
struggles are mainly my parents' fault, right, Interesting, see that
person's twenty nine, didn't I say, it's thirty.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Yeah, it'll happen to your dear texter, will happen.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
It'll be little moments at thirty.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Yeah. A couple of texts here, getay, guys. I realized
I was becoming more like my parents when my mom
showed me her new washer and dry combo, and I
was actually jealous. That is a moment when you get
excited about appliance as you realize, yeah, yeah, I'm becoming
my parents.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
The sextus said that my mom didn't even have a job.
What kind of example is a stay at home mum?
Your mom likely sacrificed a lot to stay at home
because she thought it was the right thing to do.
What kind of example? Imagine she thought that was the
right thing to do for you, and she might have
had career ideas that she thought.

Speaker 5 (46:46):
No.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
I think staying at home and looking after my kids
is a good thing to do, and if you don't
want to do that, then that's your decision. But Texter,
what kind of example is a stay at home mum.
Maybe it's someone that just really really loved you and
wanted to be around you and thought it was important
that there was someone at home.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Anyone who says home mum is an easy job, you're crazy.
There's so much that the stay at home mum used
to do. They were the adminds of the household. They
sorted everything out all of your life.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
So would a better example have been your mum to
have been in a high powered, high pressured job the
whole time. Then you a person like this probably saying
my mum was never around, she was always working. It
sounds like the kind of person that is going to
blame their parents no matter what. Made some bad jokes.
I mean, that is the job of a parent to

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make shocking jokes.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
That's what it's all about. You wait till your thirty dead, Texter, Stu,
how are you mate?

Speaker 12 (47:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (47:42):
Well, I'm probably clearly a lot better than that twenty
nine year old tours who thinks that their parents are
absolutely desires. Gino's or he now knows where the bar said.
The challenge for you, mister or missus twenty nine year
old is to do better. And I guarantee you you're
not going to find it that easy. That's not all

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Bear and Skiles twenty horse ever, and I guarantee that
mum and there didn't have a great time going through
it or either. I mean, I've never heard something so
ungrateful all my life. Yes, they yes, they feed me,
warned me and sharllded me. He loved me, but that
wasn't enough. Did you want to go play the toilet?

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I mean said yeah, yeah.

Speaker 16 (48:30):
Every generation is it easier than the one before?

Speaker 4 (48:34):
You name me a generation that hasn't got it easier.
I'm sitting in an air conditioned cruise controled lane departable.

Speaker 14 (48:40):
And when I grew up, I was.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
Pretty lucky if I had pat steering a tender lark.
I didn't have an electricial, for God's sake.

Speaker 16 (48:46):
Now I don't have an aural, so you know, everything
is easier.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Yeah, telling me.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
That your parents what they didn't do enough and they
made them spare jokes well, Primeia River nicely.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Yeah, I mean I think it's kind of like the
structure of a movie. It's the three X structure of
a movie. If you're now life, right, so, and you
you start off and you're kind of who your parents
make you and the environment they're in, and then you
go off and you become something different. And then the
third act is when you bring in what your family
has given you and what you've done and the adventure
you've gone on, and you bring those together to be

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kind of a complete person in the third act of
your life.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Right, yeah, nicely, pot yeah, And maybe.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
That third act starts late late thirties, early forties or
something when you realize that what your parents went through,
but people who had a reasonably good childhood and then
spend their entire life complaining that things went perfect, that
their mum, for example, was to stay at home mum,
and that was a bad example because her and his
sisters haven't achieved what they would hope they would achieve.

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I mean, you could paint that narrative in a completely
different way and say, bless my mum for the sacrifices
that she made, and bless my dad for going out
and working such that that the family could have someone
at home to look after the kids.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
It's your parents turn their viewpoint around. But can you
hear from you? O eight hundred and eighty ten and
that eighty is that number? Just a quick text here
before we got to play some messages. Kiday, guys. When
I found myself using expressions my parents used when I
was a kid that I loathed. Sound like a herd
of elephants up there, close the door. I use those
almost every day now, which is a great thing, and

(50:25):
I fully agree with that. Are you raised in a barn?
Close the door? I still use. I use that for me.
She leaves the door open when I'm trying to cool
down a road, so well, well, you're raised in a barn.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
There's two expressions that my dad said every day that
I will not use on my kids. One is, I'll
have your guts for garters. I never knew that what
that meant for the longest time. I'll have your guts
for garters. So essince she was saying he was going
to remove my guts and use them to hold up
a socks. And now that one is I'll hiff you
over the sycamore tree. And the third one is I'll
give you a thick air. And I even knew what

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they were.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Yeah, the thick here is a great one.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
He never gave me a thick air. I still don't
know what one is.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number.
Of course, when did you realize you were becoming your parents?
It is twenty past two.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Matd Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Twenty two past two. So the question we put out
there is when did you realize you were becoming your parents?
On the back of a great article in The Herald
where the author lists the seven ways she realized she
was becoming your mum, I wait, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is that number?

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Becoming like your dad? When I spend hours fertilizing the
lawn and sharing tips on how to grow vegetables, love
my dad and one hundred percent agree that there was a
time I thought they knew nothing, But in your mid
thirties you start to realize that they know a thing
or two. I totally relate to you because I've just
sown a lawn. Yep, you're living this, and my dad's
a groundskeeper, and I've been can't wait to discuss. I

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can't wait till he comes up here. I'm organizing for
him to come up and stay with us, and I
just need his tips.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
On the lawn.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
We're going to spend a long time talking about that lawn.
He'll be disgusted because he can see any lawn. He
can see the most incredible lawn. He can see a
golf green and see the Floorsn't it so help me,
halt of a scale, be horrified by by what I'm
growing out there? But when you when you lean into
lawn chat with your dad.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
Father and son, lawn chat, nothing nothing better, Because.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
When I was a kid, the lawn chat was just
you know, we had about an acre of lawns tomorrow
on the farm around the front and back of the house.
And the main chat was how bad I did the
you know the verges. Look how much you've learnt now, mate,
you've been living at dinner and goes. I saw the
job you'd do on the lawn. Not good around the hedges,

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Not good around the edges.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
What a great dad? Oh one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number? Peter? How are you?

Speaker 5 (52:47):
Hey?

Speaker 17 (52:48):
Chaps?

Speaker 16 (52:48):
The day I realized I was my dad was sitting
on my favorite chair, and I balanced the tumbler of
whiskey on my tummy.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
What a moment, What a moment.

Speaker 16 (53:03):
But it was a good moment because I looked at
all the other personalities. Yeah, this is all right, this
is the life. I've done well, and I ever looked back,
and I've just accepted all those little bits. Have a
little bit more here than what he did at same age.
But baby, you need a fence, one paper or coffee table.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
If you've got your you tell me, well, good, we'k
you know installing that that whiskey, that whiskey holder. Do
you have a chair in your house, Peter, that's just yours.

Speaker 16 (53:38):
I'm not really like it. I lose it every time
to Madonna. She kind of takes it. But if no
one's home, I comment there there to make sure the
curtains closed at the right angle so they get some
bare and I'm watching a movie. If I'm watching a movie,
it has to be dark. The volume has to be

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out so you're emmerged. And I do move a chair
so I've got the side speakers at the right type,
so I.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Do get all that.

Speaker 16 (54:07):
If I'm him on my loane. But I've got the
kids around, I lose every time I sat on the
old corner of the crappy bloody sofa and the I
could still.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Good on your Peter, Yeah, because it used to be
a thing, and it was definitely a thing in my
house growing up, where there was Dad's cheer and you
were allowed to sit in it. So he had his
chair in the lounge, comfy chair, and that was his cheer. Yeah,
And so if he was outside of the lounge, you'd
sit in it. But if he was coming in.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
You were Yep. You got to get out.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
You got to get out, and.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
You got to leave cheer. That's my cheer. You know
the rules.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
You got to get out, and you've got to leave
the remote there on the arm of the chair.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Yeah, my TV. My rules.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Like the idea that I would sit on the on
Dad's cheer and control the TV. That I wouldn't. It
wouldn't even come into my mind that there would have
been a possibility of something.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
To try and do that would get you thicky here,
I think.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
And yet that's how standards have slipped, because my sons
are always sitting in the good cheer.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
You don't never did cheer. You need to claim your
dad cheer. This is the moment to say, kids, I
love you, but there to the dad.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yet now I'm sitting in the middle of a couch
like a complete loser. Sixteen year old son is laughing
it up on them on the main chair with the remote.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
It's terrible, Craig, how are you mate? Can I Craig.

Speaker 16 (55:24):
Before I mentioned about my dad that first takes the man,
I've got high door with grateful wink. Yeah, I'm so
so many kids in this country that would benefit from
having a loving moment home.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
And for him disclaimers it was actually it was actually ah,
Actually I ever I've assumed it was a female because
because I said my sisters. But you're right, it might
be a might be a man.

Speaker 16 (55:53):
You ungrateful sot ye anyway, becoming like your dad my dad,
I've taken more probably what I don't want to be
with my dad. Growing up. I saw Mom was at home,
and I'm grateful for that, But I saw Dad working
so damn hard. He nearly put himself in the grape

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to provide for his family. And I my older brother
we've spoken about it often and we always said we're
never going.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
To do that.

Speaker 16 (56:23):
We're going to make sure that we do some pretty
fun things in life. And he did too. But he
was just so dedicated, if you like, That's why I'm
becoming across wrong when you say, well, what wrong of that?
It was almost a shoe with him that he had
to pay off the mortgage you had, you know what

(56:46):
I'm saying. Yeah, And it was it was just he
would do it Monday to Friday job. Then he would
be loading up the trailer after the commandal, building a
batch at Little Bay.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Oh just lost you there for secrets? Are you big now?

Speaker 5 (57:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (57:05):
Yeah, you know he would be off the commandel and
then back late Sunday night after work on Monday. If
I could become half the guy he.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Was on me, wow, It's kind of a catch twenty
two for a lot of a lot of dads, though,
isn't it? Because the way they show their love and
they feel this huge desire you need to provide for
the family, and as a result, as a result, they
end up not being able to appreciate the family because
there are always a way providing for the family and
for mums as well. Sometimes parents just have to walk.

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But I know that huge desire I had when I
had kids to make some money to provide for the family.
Is a huge, huge feeling that came over me. But
unfortunately that can mean you don't get as close to
your family in your way of showing love. Actually just
you know, distances you from your family.

Speaker 16 (57:57):
But I think you know, he's not a tribute to
my dad, but he's sort of you could see the
stress in the face. Yeah, and a damn there killed
them at a very young age. So you know, I
don't want that for that first text. He absolute reality

(58:18):
check and God in the husband or future wise that
he ends.

Speaker 11 (58:22):
Up with them.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Yeah, he's got some learning to do, as they say, Craig.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Thank you. So, Craig, I might read that text out
again after the headlines, because it's a it's a good.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
It's a good and so I've set a lot of
people it's.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
A good example of being incredibly ungrateful.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Yeah, headlines coming up and then we'll read that text
out again. But taking your calls over a one hundred
eighty ten eighty, when did you realize you were becoming
your parents? It has banged on two thirty.

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Back to Matteath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Thank you very much, Raylene. So we're talking about an
article in the New Zealand Hera and it's titled seven
Signs You're Turning into Your Mother and it's a great read.
It's on the herold right now if you want to
go check it out. But the author mentions those little
moments that happened to a lot of us when we
realize we are turning into our parents. So really can
have a chat with you on oh eight, one hundred
and eighty ten out eighty, when were the moments you
realize you were turning into you Mum or your dad?

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Come and says I knew I was turning into my
mother when I refuse to tea bag. I reused the
tea bag.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
I see, yes, Oh yeah, that's a buggie reusing tea bags. Definitely,
you can definitely get another squeeze out of a tea bag.
I do that and I used to think, Mum, you're crazy,
but it is. You can still get a good amount
of flavor with another girl of the tea bag.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
So you use the tea bag and what would you
put the tea bag in the sink and reuse it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Well, I know, you just keep it in the cup.
I mean, look at this, mate, hold on, I'm going
to just pull that around here so I have my
cup of tea tea bag still in there. I'm going
to refill that with some hot water and that will
be good for another round.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
That's not even tea bag you bought. That's a new
storg z b T bag. So you're doing it just
for the because you believe in reusing a tea bag,
not to save money or anything.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Well, yeah, that's a good I never question Mum did it,
so I thought it was the right thing, and I
still get some good flavor out of it. The week
of tea is actually nice a second time around. It's
just something about the second hit of the tea bag.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Are you how much milk are you putting in your
per week tea?

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
Zero?

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
Zero milk, straight black right, just a touch of cold water.
It's a beautiful thing. Yeah. That was because Mum didn't
like spending too much money, and neither do I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
One thing I will never do is just drop tea
bags in the sink until there's a lot of them
and put them out.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Oh yeah, that's gross.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
It's gross.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Yeah, yeah, that is feral. You see a bit of
that round the office.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Forty year old female here, my daughter dad lawn chat
is solid. Blessed to have a stubby wearing dad, even
Winter who has Torto's daughter to be capable and willing.
I've now bestowed two granddaughters on him. Both sit in
his chair at home. He loves it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
It's a beautiful text. One hundred and eighty ten eighty
to number to call is a bullgeet? Have I said
that right?

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Yes, yes, a nice to chat with you. So when
was the moment?

Speaker 17 (01:02:05):
Oh yeah, my dad and he was waking up early,
very early in the morning. And when I was a kid,
I was thinking why he goes that early and do
the job and working very hard. Now I'm forty years old,
I'm doing the same thing, early wake up job and
all that stuff. So now I realize what kind of

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like the duties on his shoulders he was doing for
his family, so which I'm doing right now, same as him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
And do you feel like you miss out on time
with your kids because you feel compelled to do that
or have to do that?

Speaker 17 (01:02:45):
But to be honest, like I'm trying to balance my
family time a lot because what I do, why I
am early to start, I finish on time to pick
the kids from the school. Want him do the mom
do the morning duties, drop them the school, and my
duties to pick them and spend time until the moment

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is coming back home. I'm trying my dad to do
the same with what my father done. And yeah, but
it was a great great to see what he has
done in his life and teach me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Well, he sounds like a great dad and you sound
like a great dad too. Did you find that work
was well? I found when I had kids, suddenly work
made a lot more sense to me, because you know,
I you know, if I starve on the streets, that's
one thing, but you know, I mean like like I
only have myself to survive, and I can survive pretty frugally.

(01:03:41):
But suddenly it made a lot more sense to be
at work. And I found myself winging a lot less
about it because it had a purpose.

Speaker 17 (01:03:52):
Yes, that's right, but when when the kids is going
through his own phase, he don't realize what the family
is doing for them. Mom do their job to raise
their kids in a better way, and dad do doing
his duties. But once we are on the same position,
like doing the same thing, now we know the value

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they have sacrifice and done a lot for us.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Good So true. Yeah, I mean that changes perspective. I
mean a lot of people have fathers like this, and
Dad he's still alive and love him to bits, but
he was an incredibly hard worker and a long worker.
But that whole point, you know, that realization that why
I knew he was doing it is as you say,
is that he was doing it because he loved us
so dearly that he needed to do that to provide

(01:04:40):
for the family and make sure we had everythinging he needed.
And I didn't realize that as a kid, but as
he get older and I don't have kids, but I
still feel that responsibility for Mave and the life that
we've got, and i'ld feel it even more, I'm sure
when we do have children. But that is a massive
realization that Dad. It wasn't because Dad didn't want to
be at the home. He was working as butt off
because he was so desperate to make sure we had

(01:05:00):
everything we needed.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Yeah, the six says, Hey, Matt, read that text out again. Okay,
so here's that text. And we've got to follow up
on it. Actually, from the from the text, this is
the text that's got everyone fired up. You should try
and be as different from your parents as you possibly
can be. What a ridiculous suggestion, like it's good to
be like your dad. Your parents are likely bigoted with

(01:05:22):
old fashioned ideas. I'm twenty nine and I see nothing
good in my parents. They fed me, and they love me,
and they put a roof over my head. Sure, great, minimum,
But my dad was at work all the time and
my mom didn't even have a job. What kind of
example is a stay home mum. My sisters and I
talk about this a lot. My parents made some bad
and shocking jokes. I think my struggles are mainly my parents' fault,

(01:05:47):
says this texter. And I was trying to I we're
talking before. Some people thought that the texture was male
or female. I've come back and said I am female,
not that gender should be relevant. You sound like my
dad with this gender stuff. You don't know me, don't
judge me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
Well, okay, that's a hell of a response as well.
Hell of a first text and hell of a response.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
You can judge what you text what you texted in
and you're saying that what kind of example was My
mum is a stay home mum. And I'm not sure
what your struggles are that, that's sure, And I don't
know how your mum being a stay home mum, how
you perceive that to have affected you in a bad way.
But I think all people are saying is that you
could also be grateful for your mum for being a

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home mum because incredibly tough job. And also on top
of that, she probably had to sacrifice a lot of
things that she wanted to do in life for you. Yeah,
So we can judge the words that you sent through,
absolutely we can.

Speaker 14 (01:06:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Yeah, And look I'm judging them. I'm judging them viciously.
You said, like a terrible, ungrateful human man. There's something
wrong with that text. Can you hear from you O
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty if you're on a
respond to that text now that you're a parent and
you might have realized where your parent, your mumm or
your dad was coming from when you were being raised.
Love to hear from you, oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty and nineteen nine two.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
It's a text.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Hi, guys, I'm so annoyed the attitude of that text
are saying that a stay at home mum was not
good enough in their eyes. I was a stay at
home mum, and my three successful children are living their
best life as they were nurtured and loved enough to
find their way in life. My husband was successful because
I gave up my career to support the family.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Shame on you girls. Yeah, keep those teas coming through.
There's a lot of anger. But can you hear from
you as well? Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Do
you feel the same way about your parents? If you do,
I can never chat. But also if you want to
push back, come on through. It is nineteen to three.
Back very shortly, I.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Realized my mum when I have three drawers at home
storing plastic and paper pads.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Tyler
Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
News Dogs V News doorgs there V. It is sixteen
two three and we've asked the question when did you
realize you were becoming your parents? And also who got
to say there's been hundreds and hundreds of texts responding
to a pretty full noise, ungrateful texts that you read
out just before meant.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Gerard, welcome to the show.

Speaker 14 (01:08:14):
Hey, how are you going, guys?

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
Very good? You want to respond to that, Texter?

Speaker 14 (01:08:18):
Yes, so, I you know, I'm angry. I actually I
had to pull over to give you guys a call
because I have never ever heard anybody speak about their
parents like that.

Speaker 16 (01:08:30):
I was absolutely flabber goth when I heard the text.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Well, let's good that you put drive it because we
don't want you driving angry. Yeah, fair enough, we don't
want angry together.

Speaker 17 (01:08:40):
I grew I.

Speaker 14 (01:08:41):
Grew up with a father that was also absent, but
absent because he was working hard to get the money in.
And the day I realized that was the day that
my son was born. He was born in twenty and twelve,
and the day that he was born, I knew this
was the time that I had to and I knew
I was exactly like my father. My jokes, my dad jokes,

(01:09:04):
everything is almost identically my father. My wife absolutely hates it,
but she realizes that obviously I was brought up with him,
and he had some really good traits and there are
other traits, like kids grow up and go, oh, my
parents did this, my parents did that. And I do
know that there are some traits that you don't but
you get to decide which traits you can take of

(01:09:26):
your parents. And I believe I've taken all of the
good traits from my parents, both mom, my mom, and
my dad. My mother was a stay at home mom
until we were fourteen fifteen years old, where we could
take care of ourselves, and then she started working because
she wanted to get out of the house and she
started working as well. We never had a luxurious laugh
growing up, and I'm realizing now how tough it is

(01:09:49):
to give that to your kids. But I believe that
when you have children, you have to work as hard
as you can to get everything for your children.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Yeah, I mean, you've brought them into the world, so
that is your job to and sometimes you we can
go too far, and we can over we can protect
our kids, and you know, you know, there's an argument
that kids get softer and softer because we try and
be a little We try and be what we wanted
our parents to be. But sometimes that can be too much,

(01:10:24):
you know what I mean, Like when you treat your
friends like your kids like friends as opposed to parents.
That can be a bit of a problem, but you're
absolutely right. You you take what your parents did and
they did their very best, and they took what their
parents did, and they did their best can be to
what their parents and changed a bit, and then you
change a bit. Yeah, that's the way. That's the way.
It's it's got to go right, exactly.

Speaker 14 (01:10:43):
And as you guys said, that balance between working hard
and then spending time with you all your kids. For me,
it was in the beginning when our first when my
boy was first born, our worked. I mean I was
doing between sixty and seventy five hours a week, wow,
pushing my overtime to try and make as much money
as I can. But now fifteen, I'm forty six now,

(01:11:07):
so fifteen or sixteen into my career, I've now gotten
into management and now I only have to work nine
to five. I'm home in the evenings, I spend time
with my kids and week every weekend I'm with my children.
We're doing things, going to the beach, we're going to
water World, we're going to we're going cases. So now
is the time I'm spending with my kids, my boys
turning thirteen on Saturday and my daughter's seventeen on the

(01:11:31):
eighteen on the nineteenth of December, and I'm spending a
lot of time with them now, but it's only because
I work so hard in the beginning.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
How good I mean, do you think you as a parent,
Girard has has some better tools around yourself than your
parents might air. I just say that is clearly I
get my work ethic from from Dead and Mum, both
incredibly hard workers. But Dead and Mum for that matter,
I don't know how if they handled stress that well
at times. And I like to think, as you say,

(01:12:01):
you know, you take the good parts and you try
and change things that you might think you can do better.
But I wonder if the tools are a bit better
around me now that I have more wisdom and access
to information to deal with that than my parents said.

Speaker 14 (01:12:14):
Exactly one hundred percent. Well, the one thing about my
parents is my father's my grandfather, my father's father. He
passed away when my father was only seven, so he
never had a father to mimic or to copy or
to pick things up from because he lost his father
so young. So he made a lot of mistakes which.

Speaker 18 (01:12:35):
Are picked up.

Speaker 14 (01:12:36):
And as I've got older, I realized, hey, hold on,
I don't want to do that with my children. I
don't want to do that with my children, and I'll
pick those up. And I I feel I don't know yet,
but I feel I've put my children on a really
good path and a really good foundation under their feet
that they're going to be really good children that got
really good adults when they get older. And it was

(01:12:58):
a little harder for us because my father was quite
a It was a lot harder person than the average
father out there because he worked so hard, and when
he got them in the evenings, he had no energy,
he had no calm for us. And I've learned from that.
So now I told my wife that the first five
years of my son's laugh, yes, being around. I try

(01:13:19):
to be around as much as I can, but I
worked really, really hot at the long hours. But now
that he's older, I believe he's appreciated me because I've
set us up now for the future that I don't
have to stress too much about having to work so hard.
Because I've pushed myself up in my career, I get
more time to myself career.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Wise, Yeah, good on you, Jared. You sound like a
great dad.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
What a great call.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
We've got to go to ads, but I'll share this quote.
We were talking about this guy the other day, Professor
Scott Galloway. But he's got a really interesting quote about
that work life balance thing and you know, buying yourself
time for your kids. This is a good text. Though
my mother could not handle a missy bench and would
wipe other people's bench tops. I realized I was becoming
her as I am now a tragic benchtop wiper.

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(01:14:38):
The good people.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Yeah, back to our topic, of the day around when
you first noticed you were turning into your parents. Gerard
rang before and he was talking about how he worked really,
really hard when his kids were young, and now he's
got some more time to spend with them. Professor Scott Gallaway,
who we were talking about the other day. He's a
great writer and a businessman. Professor is a hugely successful

(01:15:01):
businessman who teaches that balance as a myth, especially when
you're young. He believes the happy family life he has
now was set up by working insanely hard as a
young man. I interviewed him about it and he said,
this is what he said about it. Capitalist societies for
giving places for people with money and harsh, rapacious places
for people without. Few people develop economic security without working

(01:15:21):
their asses off for ten to twenty years. It cost
me my hair, my first marriage, and it was worth
it because now I can take the afternoon and watch
my son play rugby. It's not because I'm a great dad.
It's because I was very focused on my career and
I got lucky too. That was my way. That's not
to say that's the right way. Some people decide at
an earlier age they don't want to live to work

(01:15:42):
they moved to a lower cost area of a modest
lifestyle and spend more time with family and friends their
entire life. If they're making connections, great, I respect that,
but I tell young people turn off the hallmark version
of work and life where we can maintain our career relationships,
donate time, make a ton of money, and coach little league.
Be clear. There is no such thing as balance. There's

(01:16:02):
just trade offs.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
Oh he's good, and.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
A lot of parents about to do that. You may
look back as that Texas said and said my dad
wasn't around all the time because he was working. He
was working his butt off, because there isn't that trade off. Yeah,
you know, if you want to have that financially secure
situation for your kids, you might have to sacrifice a
little bit of your time with them to provide that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Yeah, so true. Rich Ed, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 9 (01:16:28):
Yeah, very well, thank you. I just wanted share a
little bit on the previous texts.

Speaker 14 (01:16:36):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (01:16:39):
Yeah, they sound like very selfish, ungrateful children. That's not
to say that, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
All of those the people that sort of.

Speaker 9 (01:16:49):
Sit kind of like talk about the scene narrative are
the scene. But me, I was born into a family
of war fame. My dad passed away when I was
six years old, and my mom was a stay at
home mom, and she had to raise five children on

(01:17:09):
her own. And we were in a kind of like
a village situation. And yeah we were.

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:17:17):
We got educated and I got married, worked well and
supported my nephews and nieces. There were sixteen of them.
I don't have any children of my own yet, but
the sixteen nephews and nieces.

Speaker 13 (01:17:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:17:38):
Me, in my single life and also my married life,
we supported our sixteen nephews and nieces, and most of them, yeah,
since their baby years, are now professionals, young professionals, married
with their own children and continuing the family, the family

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tradition of working and doing all the trade off that
normal people do.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Yeah, beautifully, said Richard, you sound like a great uncle.
Thank you very much to everyone who called in text
on that great discussion. Really enjoyed that one. Coming up
after three o'clock though, we want to have a chat
about Christmas parties, the dos and don'ts, and is it
okay to ghosts. That's all coming up, Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. If you want to get an
early new Sport and weather on its way back. Very surely.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
Your new homes are insightful and entertaining. Talk It's Mattie
and Taylor Adams Afternoons on News Talk Sevvy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Very good afternoons you sex past three. Great to have
you with us as always. So the old Christmas Party,
the work Christmas Party, it's starting to ramp up for
some places around the country as we speak. But a
story very recently shows that more and more workplaces are
saying no to the old Christmas Party. And if they
are doing the Christmas party, they're rarely cutting the budget.

(01:19:04):
They're trying to make it as small as possible, with
Scrooge like as possible, for various reasons. Some of those
are budget related, but also there's a few workplaces out there,
according to this article, that get a bit worried about
the old Christmas party behavior.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
I mean there's a lot of responsibility placed on the
workplace for the behavior of their workers at Christmas parties
and even getting them home, which I think is insane.
I think if you work for a company, then it's
still on you to behave sensibly at the work Christmas party,
and it's up to you to get yourself home. You
know that, I think that putting that responsibility on the

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workplace is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
If you're out of the office and you're having your
Christmas party somewhere else, then clearly that's up to personal responsibility.
You're all adults, right, And if you decide to have
a massive skinful before you arrive at the party and
then jump on the tables and dance and make a
play at one of your colleagues who think that you're awful.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
And then go out to a bar afterwards again into
a fight instead of going home or whatever, that's absolutely
on you. The idea that we're losing Christmas parties or
Christmas parties are becoming watered down. See, that's the price
you pay, isn't it. So it may seem like a
you know, it might seem like the right thing to

(01:20:22):
do with the safety conscious attitude, but what you do
is you end up removing these fantastic bonding experiences that
people in the year with and you get to say
thank you to everyone, and you celebrate all the hard
work you've done and you put an exclamation mark on
the year. But when you then make it the employer's

(01:20:44):
responsibility for your behavior. Then the whole thing gets blown
up and destroyed. And then we get going out for
a lunch, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
A pizza party. Yeah, you get a few pizzas around
and thanks for you for your year.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Christmas Christmas party is happening. Well, we're on are, So
we're not invited to the work Christmas party because it
exists only within the hours that you and I are
on ere.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
The dustill on from two pm to four pm. Christmas
party ends in me, which is unfortunate for us because,
as you say, it all wraps up by the time
we finish on Are, She's done christ This party's over.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Well that that just that shows you, doesn't it. That
says a little something about your behavior at previous Christmas parties.
I think they've moved that. This is called the stop
Tyler Cumming strategy.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
I think it is. I had to go cutty wide
because it was the only way they could do it legally.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
Yeah, but so how important is a Christmas party to
your work? Is your work still doing a large Christmas party?
Have they already done it? I mean a lot of
people have got it done by now. And let's talk
about some of the mistakes. The personal responsibility of a
Christmas party, how you behave at a Christmas party, and
examples of terrible behavior and what you shouldn't do. Yeah,

(01:21:54):
I think it's important and I've made this mistake at
a number of Christmas parties as you need to You
need to go there and stay in the middle of
the pack. Yep, you know you need to go in
there with a mindset. There are other rules such as
not punishing your superiors with your thoughts on how things
are run.

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
Yeah, don't do that. Definitely don't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Don't give a skinful and bail up your boss and
give them an air full around you know, the lack
of staples in the stationary cupboard.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
Yeah, no, boss wants to hear that, but love to
hear from you. Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighty if you've done the Christmas party this year, added
it go or has your workplace decided it's too much
hassle when they've downsized the old office party? And also,
can you hear your experiences when you or a colleague
went a little bit too far? And what are the
dos and don'ts.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Because that's quite terrifying I think now for companies too
or even you know, even small workplaces to run a
Christmas party. Yeah, because so much responsibility has been put
on the employer for the behavior of their employees.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
And is that fair? No's we're adults, most of them.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
It's always, it's always, it's always your responsibility wherever you are.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
Yeah. Can you get your thoughts on this one O
eight one hundred eighty ten eighty and also your experiences
as well for the old Christmas office party nine two
ninety two is that text? It is twelve past three
on news talks it'd be fourteen past three. So we're
talking about the end of year Christmas parties in your workplace.
An article that shows a lot of workplaces are either
not doing them at all or downsizing a lot. So

(01:23:31):
it says many companies are now opting, if they do
do a Christmas party, for daytime events that are family
friendly and have a charity element. The reasons for this
and numerous, but it is down to the accountability of
social media, the peripherlation of non alcoholic beverages, and bad
behavior at previous Christmas parties.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
Yeah. Because the Health and Safety at Work Act basically
the boss must take reasonable steps to keep people safe
at any work organized event. At Christmas part accounts is
at work activity, even if it's off site and after hours.
That's ridiculous. That is absolutely ridiculous that if you're having
a Workchristmas party at a different location and people choose

(01:24:12):
to come, that the employer who's putting on the party
is somehow responsible for the behavior of the workers at
the Christmas party. I mean, these are adults that are going.
It's not a school trip. It's people that have agreed
to come to the Christmas party. You put some drinks on, yep, whatever,

(01:24:33):
there's a few speeches. If someone wants to be a
complete and uttered dickhead, that's on them.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
Yeah, one hundred percent. But what do you say, oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty if you've recently had your
Christmas party, keen to hear from you how it went.
And also those Christmas parties of old where things got
a little bit loose, maybe yourself or a colleague. Nine
two ninety two is the text number. Oh yeah, that's
a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Oh my god, Christmas parties in the heart open polytechnic
wild as. But's so funny, sad thing as I only
remember up to funny. But the Booze bus apparently had
all traffic going over Kennedy Good Bridge waiting for lights
to go green while I'm on the poll twerking my
team leader. Everyone was tooting. True story. But the other

(01:25:19):
parties someone are running into a hedge and not reappearing.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
Go sounds like a good time at the open Polytechnic
and Wellington.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
How good running into a hedge and not reappearing. Yeah,
well they must have come out. Is that like a
Homer Simpson situation where you're back into the hedge?

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
That must be twerking with your team leader as well
on the boos bus. I mean that is that's high
level stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
I remember Christmas party where I ended up on the
somehow on a stripper's pole, right, it's not so where
or when? That's number of years ago, all.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
Kinds of mergers together at this point. Yeah, yeah, yes, oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. I all say though
that the so the article sees a lot more businesses
as are just saying no to the Christmas party full stop.
If you're at a place that sees no more Christmas
party or office party at the end of the year,
that's kind of a sad state of afears right as
you say, that's having a few drinks with your workmates

(01:26:07):
on specially k in the end of a full on,
full noise year, which has been for a lot of
people to just put on a few beers and say
job well done. It was tough this year, but we
love you, guys, and we celebrate you, and here's to
a great Christmas and we see you back here and
we'll keep kicking butt in twenty twenty six. The fact
that a business wouldn't do that, I mean, what does
that say about the business?

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
Guys?

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
This whole text is in caps, so should if it's
all if old texas and caps to I yell at,
I think you have to guys, if the bar manager
at the pub is responsible to make sure you don't
get drunk, then on the same argument, the work boss
must be responsible at the workdo to make sure you
don't overdo it either. From George, well, if it's at
a bar and the work has booked the bar, then

(01:26:52):
the you know, then those laws and the you know,
the manager of the pub, you know, they'll enforce it
as they see they have to.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
Yeah, exactly if you're outside of your actual office at
that point. I would have thought the liability is no
longer with the It's on you as an adult.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Oh, tweaking not twerking? Okay, right, well working not tweaking.
That that person was twirking not tweaking. Yeah, they sent
I got it right. I changed it. Yeah, I changed
it from tweaking to twerking.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
A big difference between those two things. Ye, keep those
teas coming through. But ken you hear from you on
oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty? What are you
doing if you're a business owner, what are you actually
doing for your employees this year? If it is a
family orientated event, you still allow booze or has it
become too problematic for you to offer booze? Really? Can
ever chap?

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
My husband's work does nothing for a Christmas party, and
have done for a few years. The boss claims it's
too expensive. When there has been a party, the staff
has had to either pay or provide their food and drink,
and when a staff member leaves, especially valuable ones, there's
nothing as well. Yeah, I mean, as I guess it's
a factor for employees of cost and also the host

(01:28:01):
responsibilities that have been put upon them, so you know,
their work to provide food and non alcohol drinks avoided
unlimited open bars. What so the Health and Safety Act
is legislated that you're not allowed to have unlimited open bars,

(01:28:21):
bloody grinches. It's over stepping having a plan for people
who are clearly intoxicated. Well, people that are clearly intoxicated,
that's their problem. You know, you why should you have
a plan? I mean their planners go home? Mate, ye,
put them into taxi. You're embarrassing yourself ensuring transport home, taxis, rides, share, shuttles,
et cetera. I mean the economy provides transport home, taxis, rides,

(01:28:44):
share and shuttles. Yeah, you know, well maybe not shuttles,
but the economy does. So why is it that someone
can go out on a Friday night and get themselves
at home home, but when they go to the Christmas party,
it's somehow the works responsibility to get them home. Why
do they suddenly because it's the party's been organized. They
can go to a party to friend's house and it's

(01:29:04):
not the responsibility of their friend to get them home,
But suddenly because they're going to a war work, do
they suddenly lose the ability to do basic things? Such
as call an uber or a taxi.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
That's a great point if you're a business owner, love
to hear from you on how you think I feel
about this legislation and also what are you doing for
your workers at the end of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
As an employee employer with many casual part time employees,
we do a Christmas hamper for each rather than a party,
a lot less house still trying to get a date
that works for all. Yeah, I mean you're doing you know,
if you want to do that, if you get a hamper, yeap,
it's good time. Back in the day, everyone got a
Christmas ham didn't they. Yeah, that was the thing, you know.
That's a nice thing to say. And it's not quite
as good as everyone getting together and having a knees

(01:29:43):
up and a chat, but a hamper is a nice
thing to do.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
Who doesn't like a Christmas ham Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
Wait, hundreds, I'd like a ham and a hamper because
we can't go to the Christmas party. Thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
Yeah, they used to do that, didn't they. I actually
think at one point they used to offer everybody a
bottle of champagne. I think those days are long gone. Oh,
eight hundred eighty, ten eighty is the number to call.
Love to hear from you. What are you doing for
your Christmas party? And if you want to ring through
and tell some tales of things when it went wrong
at the old Christmas party, we're really up to that
as well. Nine two nine two is the text. It's
twenty one pass.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
Through Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (01:30:21):
Twenty three pass three. So we're talking about the end
of year Christmas parties at your workplace. According to this article,
a lot of workplaces are just refusing to do the
Christmas party. There's a few reasons for that. Some of
it's cost, but a lot of it is it's too
much handsle when things have gone wrong in the past.
So really keen to hear from you on oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you're if you're the
boss or you own the company, are you still throw

(01:30:43):
in something for your workers at the end of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
Speaking of throwing something, someone's throwing some shade here at
me on nine two nine two. Why do you need
to get drunk and get on a pole at a
Christmas party?

Speaker 15 (01:30:51):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
What is wrong with you? Pathetic? No one wants to
see you on a pole. How does that bring a
company together? Why do people need to watch you make
a spectacle of yourself? You're a no class bogan. I'm
sure your breakfast host would not have approved. Zeb didn't
used to have people that would do that at a
Christmas party on air. Bring back those times. Disgusted A
couple of points on that. Yeah, many years ago. It

(01:31:15):
wasn't at a Chris It was actually after a Christmas
party at the whiskey right the kick ons, and there
was a pole out the back. Nice and a number
of employees were doing a spin on the pole. Bit
there were And the idea that our breakfast host would
have been at that Christmas party is ridiculous. He wouldn't
have been at the Christmas party a little on the kickoff.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
No, no, exactly no.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
And look who in their youth, and by youth, I
mean about five years six years ago wouldn't have Hasn't
you know if there's a pole in the middle of
the party, Yeah, then is it the end of the
world if you give it but a spin? I had
I had my suit on, I still had my full
suit on. It wasn't a wasn't in a g or
anything exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
People still talk about that, Matt. That's a famous moment.
Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eight years that
number to call being how are you mate?

Speaker 8 (01:32:03):
Good?

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
And you won't have a chat about what you're doing
for your staff for the Christmas duo?

Speaker 18 (01:32:08):
Sure, we'll our staff for our team. We organize a bus,
take them to a venue, feed them up on all
the good things of life, and celebrate what they've done.
We have an awards ceremony to recognize some of the
extra special effort and going the extra mile the team

(01:32:29):
put together. And it's really hard to choose those guys
and boys and girls because they're all pretty exceptional. We
take them back to the main venue by a bus.
We pay for taxis for them to go home. They
all have a great time. It's all safe and it's
just common sense. That team put the right foot forward.
Some of them get a bit carried away, their mates
look after them. It's not a problem and we do

(01:32:51):
not need legislation to tell us.

Speaker 16 (01:32:53):
How to think.

Speaker 18 (01:32:54):
It is a great you sent the movement that hasn't
done this country any good.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
I believe you sound like a great boss. Do you
have a name for your awards like a can see
the Oscars?

Speaker 5 (01:33:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:33:06):
Yeah, it's the end of be a prize giving. It's
a trans Tasman exercise. It's very well organized. We take
notes throughout the year. Then there's a voting part of
it's voted for, so the colleagues have quite a say
on who should be considered. And then there's a voting
panel or a judging panel that figures out who the
heroes are. But they're all heroes there. It's an amazing

(01:33:27):
team we have.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
We're very lucky that is.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
That is great to hear and I can tell in
your voice how proud you are of the people that
work with you. And do you think it's important to
bring people together and let them know that they are
all one and they are appreciated at the end of
the year. Sounds like a bit of a leading question, but.

Speaker 18 (01:33:45):
People like to belong to a winning team. And even
if and it's not all beer and skills in our world.
You know, we've had three years of pretty tough recession
in New Zealand and but the guys know it's hard.
The boys and girls, I say guys figuratively but we
tell them what's going on. We tell them the truth.
We're grunting, but we're going to dig in and we'll win.
They're all Blacks are rebuilding, they're digging in. They will

(01:34:05):
win again. We're just going to get them behind them.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
And you deliver a speech, do you.

Speaker 18 (01:34:12):
Ben, Yeah, yeah, I do. That's probably the the weakest
part of the afternoon. I'll finally get that there. And
what Rendel's on, Yeah, but it's it's all taken in
good hearts and yeah, and I heard about one of
you guys up some kind of pole and man, that's fun.
I think it's quite a good chance for the bosses
to be very human and make a bit of a

(01:34:33):
tit of themselves. Isn't a fair thing at the end
of the day. On the same side, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
And the thing, you know, I'm getting a bit of
a stick for being on this pole, but I've only
had a couple of drinks.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
You're a middle of the pack at the stage. Well,
but the.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Point was that it was the poll was there. It
was kind of like a Sir Redmond Hillary.

Speaker 18 (01:34:48):
Thing, knock the baker off.

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
Hey, thanks so much, Ben, And it sounds like you've
got You've got a great group of people with you
and you and you sound like a fantastic leader. So
everyone involves very lucky to be in a part of
your organization. So well done, mate, Yeah, get on it.

Speaker 18 (01:35:07):
We're the lucky.

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
Good on you being what a great boss. Good text
to you Yiday guys. And an old company I worked for,
the exmist party was on the company boat. Nice one
of the office ladies got so drunk that she soiled herself,
and then the boss was so drunk he had to
call a friend to get his other boat to come
out and drive the main boat back to the marina.

(01:35:29):
Miss those Christmas parties, there is a two party here.
She did get her on overboard with two of the
sober office ladies to clean herself off. Lucky they had
to change your clothes.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
I think one of the rules, if we're looking at
rules for Christmas parties from a personal responsibility perspective, because
I think personally that your boss doesn't have your employer
doesn't have to look after you, and you're an adult.
Care Yeah, yeah, it's not a school trip, as I
said before, but one of the things you've got to
be careful is not to turn a victory into a loss.

(01:35:58):
And this can happen, and I've seen it happen a
number of times. So you've finished the year, you're feeling
happy about what you've achieved, you've worked hard. You go
to the Christmas party and in this case yourself. Yeah,
but there's many degrees on the spectrum from soiling yourself
back to humiliating yourself on the way right, very true,
And then you go into the Christmas holidays full of
shame and stress that you behavior at the Christmas party,

(01:36:20):
and that is an absolute own goal and you need
to avoid that from a personal responsibility. And this is
coming from someone who's done that before, going into the
holidays going oh my god and feeling like a total
loser and you've turned a victory into a loss. And
so you've got to make sure that the Christmas party
is a positive experience where good things happen for you

(01:36:42):
and you get to say the right things to the
people around you and celebrate with you, not become a
liability for other people, and not go into the holidays
hating yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
You've got it. You're not a high. That's a good
per say, right, A headline's coming up, but taking more
of your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
the Christmas party? What are you doing? And we're keen
to hear about those Christmas parties that win a bit
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Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty seven to form.
We're talking about Christmas parties on the back of an
article which says a lot of Kiwi companies are just
not doing them this year, or if they are doing them,
there's no booze that during the daytime and it's just
a bit weak source. So I'd love to hear what
you're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
O e.

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
One hundred and eight ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
Are there any companies out there in New Zealand doing
the full wall for Wall Street end of year type
parties or have they all gone the way of the Dodo.

Speaker 3 (01:38:52):
I mean they were pretty wild. There was a lot
going on.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
Great movie, but there was a lot going on in
those four full Wall Street parties.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
Yeah, they were throwing around human beings and doing all
sorts of stuff. Look oh good fun.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
I had to quit my job and was leaving before
the end of the year. Had decided I wanted to
go to a restaurant for a going away party. My
boss said he'd pay a coworker to make food instead,
as she had been out with an injury and needed
some extra cash. I agreed. Then on the day he goes,
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. I hope you joined
the Christmas pudy.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
Oh that's nice. That's a good one. Here as well,
get a Matt and Tyler. We had a Christmas party
on an island in the Hodaky Gulf. One of the
top executives got so drunk and wanted some weeds, so
she threatened one of the staff who she knew had
some to give her some or they would lose their job.
She ended up losing her job and was helicopter at home.
True story.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
That is turning a victory into a loss.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
Yeah, that executive had everything going for her, just because
she wanted a little bit of weed, it all fell apart.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
Yvonne Welcome to.

Speaker 7 (01:39:49):
The show Hi, Mine is more a history once all
the Christmas parties I have been to over my years
of work and have been where the staff put towards
a Christmas sun and fay to the food and a
little bit of booze. Never been so much out of
the top except for my first one sixteen seventeen. I

(01:40:10):
had been paying in for nearly twelve months to the
Christmas fund. Got told on the night, sorry, you can't come,
you're too young to drink a lot of my money back, sorry,
we've spent it. So they thought about it. They thought
about it for about an hour and they said, well,
you've got a responsible adult here who will take you home.
Except responsible adult became my husband. He's only two years

(01:40:33):
older than me at the time anyway, but he took
me out the tea. We had some vodka with fried
chicken and super tea. Went back to work. Did be
our work that we did in the sub office. It
was a sub office post office in the Wellington area,
and at the close of night eight o'clock, we started drinking,
so I shared. They decided by then I couldn't drink.

(01:40:54):
But the story finishes when I walked out to go
home with the boyfriend, and I walked out a little
bit before him. He deterred to the toilet, I think,
and one of the supervisors came up behind me. Didn't
realize that it was a supervisors in the car park.
I swung around and clopped him a buke, flattened.

Speaker 15 (01:41:13):
Him on the ground.

Speaker 7 (01:41:13):
He punched out, he was going to have a guar
at me when he came through that. The other supervisor
had seen him come up behind me and saw what happened.
That supervisor and I never really got on very well
after that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
And so he just when he came up behind you,
did he give you a fright or did he? Did
he you know, handy on you for clocking him.

Speaker 7 (01:41:38):
Yeah, And that's that's why, to a degree, I have
a really drawn this attitude. The sexual harassment in the
workplace can be dealt with immediately. That was my auntswer to.

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
Arrestment clearly had a good left hook of von Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:41:55):
But on all the parties we've had to have been
on business premises, we've actually accounted for the fact that
we're adults and we are accountable for our own behavior
in the situation that is driving this article. What happens
if the boss decides to call it quips and go
home a bit early, he's not even there and the
staff carry on having her party. And I've seen those situations,

(01:42:19):
so I think it's crap the adults and Matte. Next
time you do a poll, does take your blady simple
letter t of you?

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
Yeah? Yeah, get amongst it there? What do you doing
with the sea lion? Come on? So a bit of
skin brother?

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
Yeah, well I think I would have deserved to be
cocked for that. Yeah, a great story.

Speaker 3 (01:42:40):
It is a great story. So she met her husband
who was dropping her off. Then she clocked one of
the executives. You're a great woman of fantastic right, Just
one more text here, Kiday. Guys, we had way too
many Brazilian women working for us who seemed to have
a different moral code than us Kiwi's. At the Christmas
party about three years back, we had a good time,

(01:43:01):
but everyone ended up naked and the paw and sauna
together work has never been the same again. So again,
that's probably turning a victory into to defeat for some people.
Some people might see that as a win.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
But yeah, well, I mean I would say, if you
go to a Christmas party, and look, I don't think
it's the bosses or employees, even if it's legislated such
for them to look after you. And you're an adult,
So stay in the middle of the pack, yep, and
try not to turn a victory into a loss. Celebrate hard,
but don't soil your pants.

Speaker 3 (01:43:30):
Great advice, that's my voice.

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
Matt. You're on the poll because we all just want
to be big rock stars, live in hilltop houses, driving
fifteen cars. Cheers tone. That's a nickelback lerrick, isn't.

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
It as we all want to be big rock stars.

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
Great reference, there's but I prefer in terms of songs
rock star songs, the Cyperus Hill song that's you know, yeah,
that's the one that says, so we want to be
max stars, live large, big house, five cars, You're in charge,
coming up in the world. Don't trust nor buddy, gotta
look over your shoulder constantly.

Speaker 3 (01:44:03):
Chune. Yeah, that's well done. Right, great discussion. Thank you
very much to everyone who called antiques on that one.
Coming up after we play some messages. Fascinating story that
you spied Matt's and the Herald today and I'll just
read out the headline sterilization boost life span across one
hundred and seventeen species.

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
Yes, so the question is being asked is would you
live longer if you were castrated?

Speaker 3 (01:44:27):
Yeah, we're going to chat to the lead author on
that study next. His name is Mike Garrett. It's a
stay tuned for that. It is twenty one to four.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
Wow, your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Tyler Adams
afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk, say'd.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
Be very good afternoons to It is eighteen to four.
So this is fascinating. A University of a Targo study
found that sterilization boosts life span across one hundred and
seventeen species. The major international study has found that blocking
reproduction increases lifespan in both males and females across that
wide range of species. The lead author is Associate Professor

(01:45:04):
Mike Garrett of A. Targo's School of Biomedical Sciences, and
he joins us on the phone. Now, very good afternoon
to you, Mike.

Speaker 5 (01:45:11):
Hi, how's it going?

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
And good things? So could you explain to me, like
I'm an idiot, why stopping reproduction makes animals live longer?

Speaker 5 (01:45:19):
Well, reproduction is costly, it has energetic costs for example,
and when we inhibit those, it can help animals invest
in other process for example looking after their immune system,
and this can improve survival.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
Could it be a risky behavior thing because you know
when the you know on that is that it reduces
risky behavior rather than some sort of deep biological aging effeete.

Speaker 5 (01:45:46):
So there are a couple of different things that we
show in this article. In the context of males, we
show that castration extends live span and in part, yes,
part of the reason they live longer is they're less
likely to engage in risky behaviors. Although in other contexts
where we've looked at effects of castration, for example in
lab animals, you also see improvement in us improvement in

(01:46:09):
other aspects of health. So yes, in part, it can
improve survival because it reduces investment in risky behaviors, but
it also provides other benefits late in life as well,
at least in the animals that have been that's been studied.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
And how long are life spend gains that we're talking
what teen twenty percent? How long is it?

Speaker 5 (01:46:27):
Yeah, across the studies, across the species that we looked,
So you know, we looked at over one hundred different species,
we found an average increase in life span of about
ten percent. Those effects were stronger, partiguingly in the context
of castration if animals were castrated early in life, before
they went through puberty. So in those contexts we found
an average increase in lifespan that was greater, more like

(01:46:49):
fifteen to twenty percent, depending on the species.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
Now, I was thinking about this when I was walking
my dog Colin the other day, and you know, he's
he's castrated, and he seems pretty pretty happy in his life.
But part of me feels a bit said, because you know,
that's the end of his line and he's such a
great dog. But it made me think as well, as
he happier because he has been fixed, or is he

(01:47:13):
still part of them that feels like he's missing out
on something you know, deep in his you know instincts.

Speaker 5 (01:47:20):
Well, it's an interesting question, I think. If we're talking
at so, you seem to be focusing on the castration
component here. You know, once you're castrated, you don't have
the same drive to reproduce. So actually you probably are
happier if you're not castrated, but you're kept in an
environment where you can't reproduce. Yeah, that could also be stressful.
So actually, in that situation, you know, you might have

(01:47:41):
you be exposed to androgens. You've got this drive to reproduce,
but that's not met with the actual reward of mating.
So actually that could potentially be more stressful for the
animal than actually being castrated. And then you don't necessarily
need those reproductive opportunities or you don't want them.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Now, the obvious question in the elephant in the room,
I guess is should I castraight myself? Can you interpret
anything meaningful around humans from the study or is that
a bridge too far?

Speaker 5 (01:48:08):
Well, in our study, we did try to extrapolate some
of our results to humans. There've been a couple of
studies that have been conducted in on historical data sets
where people have been castrated for various different reasons. There
was a study on Korean unix from I think that
the seventeenth eighteenth century. That data has been quite controversial.
But the mean increase in life, as you would expect,

(01:48:30):
but the mean increase in lifespan that was reported in
those studies actually matches what we report in our studies.
So you know, it's potential that these benefits might extend
to humans. However, we also find in our study that
the effects of sterilization and castration are stronger when you
keep animals in wild environment where they have to, you know,

(01:48:51):
invest heavily in different things. They don't have as many resources. Right,
So I think actually the society that we live in
means that probably we wouldn't necessarily get those benefits because
we have really good healthcare. You know, we're largely protected
from infectious disease. You know, we aren't exposed to the
same level of mortality from risky behavior, from aggression, from
things like that. So yeah, so don't go out and

(01:49:12):
castrate yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
I was sitting on the fience but leaving things they are.

Speaker 3 (01:49:19):
So when you look at vasik to mes Mike, it's
obviously different to castration, and according to the study, there
wasn't those same finding. So any human out there right
now that's head of the seek to me and hoping
to live a bit longer, it might not be that
they're simple.

Speaker 5 (01:49:35):
Yes, that's right. So there's there's little data available in
animals and definitely little experimental data. So the two in
zoos and a lot of our analysis has conducted on
zoo house species, so we were able to look retrospectively
at zoo records. Now there are only a couple of
species where they routinely do vasectomy rather castration. That's lions,
because they want to maintain the lion's main and if

(01:49:56):
you castraate then that goes away. Also, baboons, you know,
they have this big kind of secondary sexual coloration, so
to use theseectomy in those contexts, and in those contexts
we see no effects on survival. There've also been a
couple of laboratory studies of laboratory minds and there they
also see no effect on survival. So evidence would suggest
that it needs to be castration in the context of males.

Speaker 2 (01:50:18):
And what do you see and what do you see?
As an ex big question this research opens up, what's
the practical implications for this?

Speaker 5 (01:50:27):
Well, I mean, we'd really like to understand the effects
on the biology of aging, So what's actually happening, How
does this occur? In particular, we found that the effects
of castration are stronger when they occur before puberty, so
there's something that must occur through puberty where testosterone has
effects on the body. It potentially helps you to show
kind of male specific growth, male specific behavior, but then

(01:50:49):
reduces lifespan, and trying to understand the mechanisms of that,
you know, how they interact with other pathways that influence aging.
Other hormones might ultimately allow us to understand the aging
process aging process better and you might be able to
get the benefits of those things without castration.

Speaker 3 (01:51:06):
Interesting, So how would you do that? You know this
is hyper thetical, of course, but potentially talking about after
that puberty period, some sort of medication to balance out
testosterone levels to allow people to live a bit longer.

Speaker 5 (01:51:18):
So I mean, I could try and go into a
little bit of detail with you, But there are other parts.
So we've said in our study that androgens testosterone influences
aging in males. There are other pathways that we also
know influence lifespan in animals, there's some other hormones like
growth hormone and some some proteins in cells that also

(01:51:39):
influence the aging process while at the same time helping
you grow. So there are other hormones that make you grow,
but may you have a short live span. We know that,
so androgens probably feed in to that pathway. How it
influences cells, influence aspects of stress resistance, but also influence
aspects of growth, and we can try to understand those

(01:52:00):
trade offs, those actual mechanisms, those things that go on
in cells that mean that the cells grow, but they're
less protected against stress, if that makes sense to me.
Really just trying to delve into the actual mechanisms at
the level of the south.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
It's an interesting one because I would say that my
kids have definitely aged me with worry, but they've also
added a lot of meaning and happiness to my life.
So I would say having my children, I may die earlier,
but my overall happiness will has been increased by them.
So it's definitely a trade off from a human perspective,
isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:52:33):
Well, I mean, how old are your children at the moment?
Minor four and six and they're definitely aging me, is
not It doesn't feel it quite as worthwhile at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
Well, well, mine are teenagers and it's moved into the
pure happiness stage at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:52:50):
I'll hold you for that. Yeah, Mike, you've been brilliant.
Thank you very much for joining us and having a chat.
It's fascinating research and we're interested to see where it goes.

Speaker 5 (01:53:02):
Nice to speak to you.

Speaker 3 (01:53:03):
That is Associate Professor Mike Garrett out of the Otago University.
Fascinating stuff right beg very shortly. It is nine to four.

Speaker 1 (01:53:11):
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used
Talk zed B.

Speaker 3 (01:53:20):
News Talk zed B. It is seven to four. What
a fascinating study and what a great man that associate
professor was.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
The sex says, don't do it, Matt, your voice will
be even more annoying when you become a unitch.

Speaker 3 (01:53:33):
You were on the fence. So good to know that.
You know, you just got to wait for a bit
more research before the jury's out on longevity. But I
think you made the point well that you know your
kids have brought you a lot of joy.

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
I don't know if I think of anything. My voices
is too deep and booming. Yep, Layton Smith ESK could
go up allusing voice.

Speaker 3 (01:53:51):
Yeah, yeah, I think we're all going up a few pictures.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
I'm liring it for this one. I'm lirring it for
this voice break to make my point. Yeah, this person says,
this correlates strongly with what anyone who has worked with
horses nose. We all know the old Goldings who spends
most of his time snoozing in the corner of the
or paddock. Regards Stefan, mister happy happy operator.

Speaker 3 (01:54:13):
Yeah very good. What a fascinating chats and what a
fantastic show.

Speaker 2 (01:54:18):
Yeah, thank you so much for listening everyone. As always,
we've loved your calls on one hundred eighty ten eighty
and nine to nine two. The podcast will be out
in about an hour or so. The impressive specimen that
is Ryan Bridges in for Heather Duples see Ellen up next.
But right now, Tiles, yes, tell me why am I

(01:54:40):
playing this absolute banger from Dave Dobbin.

Speaker 3 (01:54:45):
Dave Dobbin, What a beautiful song and you're making it
easy for me lately. It's called welcome Home, of course,
and it must be because we had that wonderful chat
about the brain drain, so called brain drain starting to
reverse and all these beautiful, wonderful Kiwis are coming home.

Speaker 2 (01:54:59):
That's right, twenty six thousand Kiwi citizen's returned to New Zealand.
The brain drain is starting to wayne. All right, thank
you so much for listening. As I see it until
tomorrow afternoon, give a taste of Kiwi from Tyler and I.

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