Full Show Podcast: 16 December 2025

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Speaker 3 (00:35):
Thank you, Tyler, Thank you everyone for tuning in across
this beautiful country of ours, you great New Zealanders. Now
as appearance, sometimes hypocrisy blows up in your face.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Okay, good stuff.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
And you have to look at yourself in the mirror
and go, I am scum. And this happened to me.
I was down at the at the mother in law's
for a Christmas party and yeah, beautiful and look. I'm
always saying to my kids when I see them running
out to get something on the driveway or going outside
in their socks. I'm always saying, put some shoes on. Yep,

(01:07):
no so outside that kind of thing. Yeah, pay good
money for those socks. Anyway, I was putting up a
marquee in the backyard for the party, big party, putting
up a marquee, yep, and people could dine outside. There's
a lot of people at this party.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Nice, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
And I went out my socks.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
To do it, you dirty bugger, you dirty bugger.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
And I stood in a dog's leaving and my white
sox while I was putting up the marquee. And look,
let's be honest, it was my dog, Colin, who had
taken down there as well, who had made the dogs leaving.
And I'll tell you what it is challenging trying to
deal when you're staying at someone else's house to deal

(01:50):
with a sock, a white sock that's mushed in a
dog leaving, because what do you do? You just sort
of take it off, but then you know, it's quite
a lot to sort of rinse it anywhere or put
it through a washing machine, basically dealing with toxic waste.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, Jehosah down outside, I mean, because that's awful for
the gifts that it get a bit of spray on them.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
I cleaned it in the kitchen sink.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Oh no, no, no, no, of.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Course nice, of course I didn't. Of course I didn't.
But my son was there with me and he He
was just shaking his head, going, Dad, how many times?
How many times have I told you to not wear
your socks outside?

Speaker 2 (02:30):
It's a great moment for your boy.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah, well dead, But I had to, I had to
look myself in the mirror and say the hypocrisy. But
I have managed to restore those socks. There was there
were calls to throw them out, yep, but I've managed
to restore them.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
You fought the power on a bleach.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
No.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Look, I wrenched them then put them in a doggie bag. Nice,
you know, a doggy pick up bag, yep, dog it.
And then and then took them home and dealt with
them at home.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Soon as dedications that in a bag in your car
to Auckland.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah. So, I think as a parent, the lesson is,
you know, you have to lead by example. And if
you're going to hassle your kids for their entire life
about wearing socks outside, you can't at the last minute
when they're elder teenagers just drop the ball and stand
in a dog leaving in your white sox.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah that's useful for anybody. That's a good sup right there.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
All all credibility has been lost with my kids.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
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Speaker 2 (04:08):
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Speaker 3 (04:12):
Andrew just ran out the back. I sung onto a
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Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
So who is the kackass Kiwi for our Christmas catch
up today?

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Tyler haymush kerr Olympic gold medalist, high jam champion, just
an all round good bugger. He is an amazing young man.
Are you still pretty young? He's an amazing guy. Stop.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
So he is our Christmas catch up with kick ass
kiwis today and that's going to be every day this week.
So that's after three point thirty, after three o'clock is
we're all going about our Christmas shopping. No doubt you've
heard this at the checkout, would you like to donate
two dollars to charity? And although checkout charity appears to
benefit charities, retailers and customers are like new research shows
that can backfire, and a survey of three hundred and

(04:53):
twenty nine consumers, many respondents reported feeling coerced, skeptical about
how donations were used, and resentful that large retailers were
asking individuals to give money. I hate it. I absolutely
low and they say, would you like to donate?

Speaker 3 (05:08):
What do you care? Because I either do or don't.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, But then I feel like a bad person. I
feel like the Christmas crunch when I say, you know what,
I don't want to help out that kid's charity because
you are a bad person. Well, dip down. I care
about the kids clearly, and and the dogs that need
a little bit of help.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
When I go into pitstock, well, look, you can in
your heart know that you are doing enough for charity.
And then say no, I'm comfortable with the amount of
money that I donate to charity and move on. But
I'm not sure what your problem is. Your problem is
that you've confronted with it and you think that they
judge you.

Speaker 5 (05:42):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, that's what I feel. I feel the judgment they
are And when I spend three hundred dollars on Pipper's
weekly food and they want to ask do I want
to round that up to three hundred and five dollars?
Like how do you? How dare you? But we're going
to ask you that question after three three o'clock. Do
you are you okay with the old check out charity?

Speaker 5 (05:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, okay, all right, all right, that's going to be
a good chat. After two o'clock we are going to
have a chat about the ecotomy. So it's news is
just out. No return to surplus is in sights. So
the government's books have been opened. This is for the
Treasury's Half Year Economic and Fiscal Update or half fu
SO latest indicator show the deficit including acc will remain

(06:20):
to the year ending June twenty thirty as far as
Treasury forecasts go. So the deficit is predicted to run
deeper than expected in Budget twenty twenty five. But we're
going to open the phone lines on that. Obviously it
is a big day and a big highlight into what
is happening in the government's books. But we will also
have a chat to Brad Olson. He's been in that
lock up this afternoon, so that is after to a clock.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
So yeah, you'll look at the numbers and let's have
your analysis on how we're going as an economy. Is
the is the coalition government doing the right thing? Could
they do more? Should they do less? We'd love to
hear from you after two o'clock one hundred and eighty
ten eighty looking forward to.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
That, but right now let's get into this. So trade
Me's had another hard year. Revenue has fallen. It was
sixty six million this year. That's a fall from seventy
five million in twenty twenty. And of course this is
the part of the business where goods is either sold
by auction or fixed price, and it has been consistently
shrinking in the last few years. You've got the cheap
Chinese online retailers like Timu putting some pressure on trade me,

(07:21):
but also the growth of Facebook marketplace that is clearly
another significant factor.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yes, so it does seem that people are using trade
me less than they used to the question is why
from your experience, if you were a big trade me
mover user, have you moved on? Is it just the
cost delivering? Are you getting your stuff elsewhere? Or is
there problems with the site? What would you like to
see changed or is it just a relic of the past.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call?

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Is it going the way of the trade in exchange?

Speaker 2 (07:54):
That was a great thing, the Trade and Exchange?

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Bring that back, well, the Trade and Exchange. They had
what they needed to do and write in their face right, Yeah,
eBay was sitting there. They could have been the New
Zealand you know, Trade Me couldn't they had been to
New Zealand eBay which trade Me became, right, yeah, trade
and Exchange. I mean was there meetings in the boardroom.
I don't know what happened where they said, should we
go on line with this? Should we turn this into

(08:17):
an online auction? Shall we do it?

Speaker 6 (08:18):
Come on?

Speaker 3 (08:19):
And because the Trading Exchange was great, name, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (08:21):
It was mister trick there. But oh, eight one hundred
eighty ten eighty is that number to call if you
don't use trade me anymore, why and what needs to change?
And if you're still using it as a trader, how
is it going for you?

Speaker 7 (08:30):
Is?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Are you starting to get at your wits end?

Speaker 3 (08:33):
This text loves it. Just sold my golf bag and
trundler on trade me today. I bought it secondhand off
trade me about eight years ago for about half of
what I sold it for today, So that you go,
got to love a bidding ward Eddie.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Good on your Eddie working for Eddie. It is quarter
past one. I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
that number to call back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
It'd be very good afternoon to you. So we're talking
about trade me. It's had another hard year. Its revenue
has gone down just shine of ten million dollars from
seventy five million last year to sixty six million this year,
and it is a bit of a trend. This is
the marketplace which deals with obviously the options and the
fixed pot price. Other parts of the business are doing okay,

(09:21):
but if you've stopped using trade me, really can never
check with you, Why have you stopped using it? And
what does it need to do to change our eight
one hundred and eighteen eighty set number.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Rob, welcome to the show. Your thoughts on trade me
at the moment?

Speaker 5 (09:34):
Yeah, look, all all I put it down to is
simply the cost.

Speaker 6 (09:39):
A few years ago it was you know, twenty five
thirty five bucks per riem, Yeah, regardless of the value.
Nowadays it's sort of one hundred and fifty one hundred
and seventy odd dollars. You know, some items aren't even
near that value. So it's the only thing I'll put
it down to is pueling and simply cost.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Have you gone somewhere else?

Speaker 5 (09:58):
Rob? Yep? Marketplace?

Speaker 3 (10:02):
And so Marketplace is you know, famously a bit more
of a wild world west? Then then trade me? Are
you experiencing that?

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Is there is there more problems with with Marketplace? You know,
cheaper but potentially more issues.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
Look, we're in a smaller provincial town.

Speaker 8 (10:23):
We we haven't had to date any issues with it,
but it's.

Speaker 5 (10:29):
It's a it's a fraction of the price.

Speaker 6 (10:30):
So he why we use it?

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Are you using it professionally or in an amateur capacity?

Speaker 5 (10:37):
Rob?

Speaker 6 (10:39):
I was professionally used cars, but now but nowadays, no,
it's just an amateur amateur way now.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
So would that be all it took for you to
go back to trade me? Would be a lowering of
the fees? I mean, what is the feed feed situation
on marketplace? Is no fees?

Speaker 5 (10:55):
Right? No, there is a fee.

Speaker 6 (11:00):
I'm not sure what it is exactly now, but yeah,
it's just I think trade me simply priced themselves off
the marketplace.

Speaker 5 (11:06):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
So I'm just even look at the fees now, Robs.
So if it's more than a buck, which is most
things on there obviously, so it's almost eight percent of
the item price. I mean that is pretty high. When
did they start ramping that up? I'm not a big
trade meet user. Did it start off a lot lower
than that?

Speaker 5 (11:23):
I take it?

Speaker 6 (11:25):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (11:25):
Absolutely, yeah it was.

Speaker 6 (11:26):
It was very cheap many years ago. I think it
started wrapping up about would have been from say five
years ago, five six years ago.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
And you haven't found yourself scammed on Facebook marketplace obviously,
that's concern for a lot of people. You haven't had
anyone or the airmen involved, you know, people saying that
they're interested and then they never show up none of that.

Speaker 10 (11:48):
Yeah, no, no today touch would no.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Okay, you've had a good run, Rob, thank you very much.

Speaker 11 (11:53):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
So I don't understand Facebook Marketplace then, because I thought
there was zero fees for listing items and you know,
messaging buyers and arranging transfers and pickups of its local
in person sales.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
That's what I thought too. Yeah, I'm just trying to
find some information here about whether they charge if you
can confirm that, I eight hundred eighty ten eighty, but
I've never seen anybody pay for old marketplace. Nine two
ninety two is the text.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
I mean, there's there's a PayPal fee, is there? But yeah,
I mean I don't I'm my my knowledge has been
found wanting. I thought Facebook, if it was just local
in person sales, was a zero p of cent fee,
but not according to Rob.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, O one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Nine two ninety two is the text. Numbers
twenty one past one. We'll be back very shortly. But
love to hear from you if you've stopped using trade
me why and what do they need to do?

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, and educate me on Facebook Marketplace because it sounds
like my knowledge is lack anger.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 12 (13:01):
Questions are of course being raised about possible intelligence failings.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Now.

Speaker 12 (13:05):
Doctor Michael Zaculm is the senior lecturer of Terrorism and
Radicalization at the Australian National University. And you deciding he
was not a threat in retrospect was a massive misjudgment.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
How did they get it so wrong?

Speaker 13 (13:15):
Well, you have to take into account the fact and
they're probably watching dozens and dozens of people, so basically
you have to make decisions about who you believe is
the most relevant threat at that time, and in this case,
he didn't meet that criteria. And unfortunately this is something
that we've seen time and time again.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
After these individuals are known hither duples. See Ellen on
the mic asking breakfast back tomorrow at six am with
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Speaker 2 (13:42):
He'd be a bit early there, twenty four past one.
Trade me. He's had another tough year on the financials
in terms of revenue, which seems to indicate people are
leaving that particular marketplace. If that's you and you've left,
why and what do they need to do to change
rob is full of misinformation, says this Texter. Marketplace is
free but full of time wastes and scams. Trade me
is a percentage, not an exorbitant fee like he states Facebook.

(14:07):
Marketplace definitely fees mostly done in cash or electronic transfer
to sell us is shorn. It's good to clarify. I
thought that was the case, Ben, How are you, mate,
jilt Hey, here we go good good trade me.

Speaker 5 (14:20):
So, yeah, trading, So we use trading as everyone else does.
But I think that we're a bit reluctant. We'll not reluctant.
We have to use them because that's the only choice
we've got. It's a bit frustrating when every twelve months
they put up our wholesale price of the services we provide,

(14:40):
and I know that, you know, they keep ramping up
the fees on the consumer side as well. So a
ten million dollar different income. That's pretty messive. But you
can see why consumers are getting pissed off and changing
to the likes of Marketplace, which is free, as we
all know. But the problem marketplace faces is all the

(15:02):
schemes and the un verified users, which is a real problem.
So I suppose trade me does provide that trust layer.
But this until now, there's no real other option.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
For you because it sounds it sounds like you're running
this as a business, am I am I right?

Speaker 5 (15:20):
Yeah, yeah, correct, yeah, correct, And when you look at
other businesses, you know there is a very good case
to provide an alternative. But you need to provide a
verified trust layer in there, and that's that's the big

(15:40):
opportunity I think at the moment. But again you're going
to need a serious amount of cash to do that.
So you want to so ultimately a platform that provides
consumers a free place to market household goods that they
are inside the house, with a trust layer where you

(16:01):
can verify the identity of each person, and then at
the same time provide low cost option for businesses to
advertise products alongside those consumer products. So let's teach your product.
We're in the middle of building. We've got a soft
launch on that. That's why I trade Me is in

(16:27):
decline and a few the other thing that probably is
going against them as AI and AI can scrape the
internet free. You know, you're peoply able to search a
much easier and much faster and though research and an
instant it's the biggest threat, and obviously the likes of

(16:48):
to Move and those places that are providing wholesale goods
at retail at level, you know it's impacting them as well, being.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
If I can just go bag. Did you say you're
involved with the creation of some kind of competitor to
trade me? Was that what you were saying?

Speaker 5 (17:06):
It's yeah, correct. So we've we've built a shell at
the moments called Searching so s I R C h
Y dot com so smart Search for Life. So we're
trying to build out a the empancy of a new product.
We've built out some test case business and then in

(17:27):
January we'll start a marketplace. We also need to build
a verification layer and we'll probably look at integrating with
a m L partners so we can verify that the
consumers are real people. There'll be no anominous users, there'll
be You'll be the first name basis. You'll be real

(17:50):
people trading for free in the platform.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
How are you putting us together? Do you have backing
you a person with expertise in software? How's it coming together?

Speaker 5 (18:01):
Ben? So, the thing we are startup, we are using
AI technology to help us spell the platform. We will
be approaching investors to help us build it into a
multi level marketing platform. And we have been to like

(18:21):
Wellington's Startup Stuff and Creative h Q and those guys,
and we'll be reaching out to angel investors in a
new year to help us build it at a much
larger level.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Interesting.

Speaker 5 (18:34):
Interesting, So you AI is going to change it all, so.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Obviously run those numbers, Ben, and you think you could
do it for a lot cheaper than than trade me.

Speaker 5 (18:43):
Absolutely, you know Techer's AI is changing technology so fast,
and you can scale any platform so quick. You just
need to be able to have have the knowledge to
be able to pace all tech together. In which we're
going to do it in a very agnostic way, so

(19:05):
we'll be brand agnostic. We won't be exclusive to a market,
multiple multiple business and multiple products in the one platform.
But it's about search. Search is changing, in which are
trying to provide a smart search for life sort of
a layer, and I think it's going to be good
for consumers.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah, did you have you looked? Have you have you
sort of investigated where because I'm trying to remember the
name of it. There was that trade me competitive Was
it called Wheedle or something? Yes, Weedley. We we something
like something like that. I'm just trying to remember. It
was about probably ten years ago they tried and when
they launched it sort of blew up immediately, quite quite spectacular.

(19:49):
It was run by quite a smart.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Guy, was co founder, Yeah, Neil Graham.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
So so what have you learned from what they got wrong?

Speaker 5 (19:57):
Ben, I haven't seen what they did. The biggest problem
is always going to be how many people you can
get involved in, how you can launch it and go national.
It's like any product at the moment, it is hard
trying to scale a national product, and it's certainly very
hard to do in a shoe string budget. Hence you
mean investors and begging to do that, and they put

(20:20):
that into infrastructure. The other thing is you've got to
remember too, is that a lot of businesses will start,
they start to get successful, and then they get brought out.
Most of the time they'll get brought out. I mean
trade me you got brought out very quickly as well.
And I mean trade Me was our biggest success success
story twenty years ago. They're now, I'm sure investors, I believe. So,

(20:45):
you know, maybe it's time for consumers to have an
option that's key we owned with a mandate to make
it easier and better and safer. The key weis to
buy and sell this household goods for free, keep the
profits in New Zealand, employee people, you know, where we

(21:05):
can to provide services to consumers into businesses and possibly
building another unform and the others was the problem you've
got New Zealand around this idea. It's not just a
New Zealand problem, it's it's a problem that consumers are
facing it in all Western countries, you know.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
So now, now, Ben, so, what was the name of
what was the name of your search s I R
C H Y s sechery dot com. So if you
start searching, it gets a bit of it gets a
bit of play. It's catching on. And Jeff Bezos Minion

(21:52):
contacts you and said, Ben one hundred million, Uh, what happens?

Speaker 5 (22:00):
I think the question would be, we're going at at
best stage where you would talking to a board when
they haven't had a board level and best and at
that stage, and we're here to decide what do we
want to do. Do we want to be swallowed up
or do we want to keep our mandate to be
news one hundred percent news on owned and build an

(22:22):
intergenerational platform for kiwis.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Good on your ben well search you dot com. Keep
your eyes over that yes, I c H y.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah or the bitches if you can pull that off
and fantastic yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:35):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call if you've stopped using trade me Why in nine
two ninety two is the text number as well. Just
spotted a text there from someone who clearly works in
real estate and how much fees are going up according
to them next year? Is mind blowing? Or read that
out next it is twenty seven to two.

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And then reducing.

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Speaker 2 (24:15):
Thank you very much. Railing. We're talking about trade Me.
They've had another hard year financially. This is for the
online marketplace. Revenue dropped by just over ten million dollars
from last year, so that indicates less and less people
are using it. If that's you love to hear from you.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
And there's a bit of skepticism on benth Searchy dot
com founder yep a trade me competitor, that's going to
launch a little bit of skepticism that he would turn
down one hundred million dollars.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Oh you taking the money? One hundred percent?

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Come on, Mars says. Was he saying he wouldn't sell it?
If if at one hundred million dollars I called the
yes on that, yeah, everyone would.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
You wouldn't even tell the board, just say deal, deal.
I don't care what the board says. I'm taking it.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
It's amazing how people's morals disappear. You know, what is it?
Money talks, bills at walks is the saying I mean,
look at what's his name, the founder of open ai exactly?
What's an Acman?

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Akman? Sam Ackman, sam Ackman.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
So the whole point of open ai was that it
was going to be free. Elon Muskin and started it
so Ai would be open to everyone, so it could
be developed in a way that meant, you know, took
some of the potential problems out of it and the
potential evils out of the situation. And then there was
an opportunity for him to be a billionaire. And suddenly

(25:33):
all all the values disappeared in puff of smoke. Look
at Google, Yeah, alphabet company.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Funny that when you start thinking about the souper yachts
and the beautiful and you mentioned.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
When they removed they do not be evil ethos from
their operation exactly, and.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Just quickly I mentioned a text before of someone that
clearly uses the property side of the business. And here
it is, geta guys are property listing that costs one
thousand dollars in December twenty three is now going to
cost seventeen hundred bucks in twenty six. It will be
great if our company ditched them. That is a massive increase.
That's seventy per cent in three years. Yeah, I mean

(26:11):
I could see if you're an agent and you're looking
at that cost versus I mean, the likes of Facebook
are starting to get up there. But there's other companies
like one Roof, I've got to say, and they're looking
at that sort of increase and say, well, we don't
need you. Oh one hundred eighteen eighties number.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
To cooll Daryl your thoughts on trade me in twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 8 (26:31):
But there were two reasons that I rang. Number one
was I stopped using them to sell stuff about a
year or so ago because as an artist, I was
finding that the only people that were looking were looking
for cheap. Basically, people were not prepared to actually pay

(26:54):
anymore for reasonable product at a reasonable price. If it
wasn't cheap, that the basic customers weren't interested. Now, I
can't say that very wide spectrum of the type of
people that they're actually dealing with, but certainly that's my experience.

(27:17):
But I was given to move away completely, even as
a purchaser, when my account was hacked, and that account
hacking was done by someone who was selling essentially nonexistent
goods using my name my account, and I found out

(27:43):
about it fairly quickly got on to trade me who
basically said that the only thing they were able to
do was to shut my account down and I would
have to reopen another one basically from scratch, which.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
Is exactly what I did.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
I mean, and so you didn't need to bring it,
you didn't mean, you didn't get to bring any of
your good will over with it, you know, your.

Speaker 14 (28:08):
Whatsoever.

Speaker 8 (28:09):
But what made it worse was that my account was
hacked again three weeks later. I was then told I
would have to go through exactly the same process, which
is that they would shut it down and I have
to reopen an entirely new count and at that point
I just said, it's too this is just ridiculous using us.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
You went using password as your password were your Darryl,
you had a no.

Speaker 8 (28:38):
I had used their suggested security you know how when
you you get to type in a password and give
you an option of one of their own, which is
a really complicated, messy thing. I used that the second
time and I was still hacked.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (28:55):
At the end of the day. At that point I
just said, no, this is just pointless. I can't keep
doing this every three weeks.

Speaker 5 (29:02):
This is just silly.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
It's a lot of words to build up your profile
as well, wasn't it, Darryl? You know, as you mentioned, yeah, exactly,
And so have you gone?

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Have you gone ouse?

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Where?

Speaker 5 (29:12):
Darryl?

Speaker 8 (29:14):
I now sell on my via a website called artwork City,
which is a New Zealand based only website.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
We'll start up just over a year and a half ago,
I believe.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Okay, yea, I'm looking at now what's what's do you
mind giving your name so I can peruse your works, Darryl, Well,
Darryl's many of them, Okay, come on artwork City trying there.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Might be a few on there actually, so it's taken
a wee while to load, So maybe people are listening
Daryl and they're trying to find some of your artwork.
But I mean that's that is nice to hear that
it's a key we based website and you know, I
imagine their fees or a hell of a lot better.
And then if something goes wrong with customer service, is
there for you.

Speaker 8 (30:09):
Well, certainly from the perspective of it being a local site,
you know that you're going to be able to get
hold of someone when you need to.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
But you think that have trade me, Darryl. I mean
that's one of the advantages of trade me over eBay.
You know, it came in and it was the local eBay,
So it seems crazy that you couldn't get hold of
someone to sort out your problem in Wellington.

Speaker 8 (30:29):
Well, I get hold of someone to sort out the problem.
The problem was that they couldn't sort out the underlying issue,
which was the security.

Speaker 5 (30:36):
Of the site.

Speaker 9 (30:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Frustrating, Darryl, and I can see why you've gone elsewhere,
But thanks very much for giving us a buzz, and
that website's stall loading, so we will check out your
work eventually.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
So I'm not sure if it's artwork Cety's fault or
zidme's internet power at fault highly likely. The second part
yeah yeah, I mean I'll try and find someone at
the zid me call center orhy my internet's.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Not working, Darryl, thanks very much for giving us a
buzz mate, all the best.

Speaker 13 (31:02):
No.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've gone
off trade me, why and where are you selling your goods?
And what needs to change if you had to go
back to trade me? Love to hear from you. Oh
eight hundred eighteen eighty is that number? Sixteen to two?

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Is this someone your home of afternoon talk? Mad Heathen
Tyler Adams afternoons call? Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty
us talk.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
They'd be for a good afternoon thirteen two two, and
we're talking about trade Me. It's had a tough year financially,
revenue is down. So if you've left trade me, why,
what are you using insteads? And what needs to change
for you to go back to them? Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is that number? Michael? A couple of
teps first.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Probably listening that costs one thy. December twenty three is
now going to cost seventeen hundred and twenty six. It
would be greater for company, our company. Ditch them, Lynda,
my wife has a trade me business since twenty ten.
She's closing it down due to the ridiculous increases in
trade me fees. I'm sure she will reconsider with competition coming.

(32:03):
That's from Joe Michael. Welcome to the show, Hi, guys.

Speaker 15 (32:08):
I can best describe how I see the two options
that are there. Trade me is probably what you would call, say,
a licensed trader of the license building all the bells
and whistles, where marketplace is like the unlicensed or illegal trader.

(32:28):
That's how I see it, and unfortunately they're both playing
to the same audience, the same buyers, the same sellers. Yes,
and trade me. I think if progressively just gone let's
clip a bit more, let's clip a bit more, and
it's got to a stage where hey, we're all being
clipped no matter what we're buying, and they've gone over

(32:51):
the top. But in the meantime, you used to have
a reasonable communication line. If you had an issue, you
could actually ring up and talk to the real person.
That's gone by the wind. And I think a lot
of the let's say, the people who are not so
computer literate have the so I did that. Hey, marketplace
is a little bit harder to circ navigate, but let's

(33:15):
give it a go. And a lot of people have
and I would be one of them. To last thirty
items I've sold, they've all gone through marketplace and.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
No issues there. It all went pretty smoothly.

Speaker 15 (33:27):
I had one that I was a little bit sort
of dubious about, might have been a bit of a scam,
but I had contard to control where I didn't identify
the full address until they were outside of my building,
and that way I was to verify who they were.
I can see who they were, and I was comfortable.

Speaker 5 (33:47):
Right.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
I'm just sorry because I've missed a little bit there.
What are you selling, Michael, Oh, just.

Speaker 15 (33:54):
General commodities that come from around. You know, I've decluttered
over the last two years, and you know, when you
get to eighty years of age, you've got a lot
of decluttering today.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
All right, Yeah, and a lot of people, you know,
feel like they need to declutter, and a lot of
people declutter into the skip rather than going through the
business of you know, selling it online. So it's still
worth it for you to do that.

Speaker 15 (34:21):
Yeah, I find it relatively easy to operate both sites,
but the marketplace one doesn't make it easy to get
a good description. You've got to do a lot more searching,
where trade me is probably a little bit more sophisticated,
and you know you don't might pay a bit for that,

(34:42):
But when it starts to get ridiculous, like you're selling
something for a thousand bucks and somebody wants a hundred
dollars discount, and you give a hundred dollars discount, then
you find you get another penalty of another fifty bucks
that you've got to pay them over and above the
thirty hundred dollars you've already paid.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
I wonder if the ouction system when it first started
up trade me work to treat now, that would do
my head. And whill you get people who try and
game the system a little bit that they start, you know,
putting a b and then they decide it's gone too far.
I'm just going to bail out, and you have to
start the whole process again. Whereas the marketplace it might
be punishing and a whole lot of edmund but just
saying here's my offer, what are you got, I'll give

(35:19):
you forty four it yep, I'm okay with forty nice
and easy. It's a simple thing. Whereas the auction thing,
I don't know. It just seems like a lot of
faffing about.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
You thanking for you. Call Michael. Do you know how
I declutter? Tyler? You tell me I give stuff to you?

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah, you do.

Speaker 16 (35:32):
So.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
I found a beautiful canvas tenth yep. I no longer
wanted anymore because I've got my new inflatable tent.

Speaker 5 (35:39):
What do I do?

Speaker 3 (35:39):
I go, Tyler, do you want a tint?

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yes, I've got a coffee machine. Because I get a
new coffee machine, I want a declutter. I'm not missing
around with these marketplaces.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
It's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
I just give it to you.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
It is a one word, and that's the economy working
at its best. Coffee machine, fees, canvas tears. I mean,
I'm making huge losses on each one of these. You
certainly are. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call back very shortly. It is nine
to two.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
News six minutes to two. If you've did trade me,
why I love to hear from you. One hundred and
eighteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
I'm still trying to load artworkcity dot Com to look
up Daryl's art. Oh, it's just over eye we're in.
It's been no, I've still got I've got some kind
of here.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
We go, here we go. So alright, see if I
can do a search function here?

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yep, No, here we go. I've got Artwork City, so
I'll look up Daryl James. Welcome to the show. Your
thoughts on trade me?

Speaker 17 (36:35):
You know, guys, first of all, congratulations on many a
good show, bless you. Yeah, hey, yep, trade me. Okay,
they're currently at seven point nine percent commission. They've been
there at that rate for well quite a few years there,
so they'll bump it up. But you know, one of

(36:56):
the biggest issues a guy just before me, or just
before him, he mentioned you know, sometimes things start moving
really fast and you don't have time to mark around
with robots before you even get onto an email platform,
before you even get into a human being. And some

(37:17):
years back with trade me, you know you could just
ring up and you'd be dealing with call send people
who were very efficient. You'd be dealing with them immediately,
and they were great problem solvers. And yeah, the whole
service has just become like a lot of other services

(37:40):
have just become far less human and far more robotic.
And I'm not a prolific user of trade me, but
I have worked hard at getting one hundred percent rating
that I've had all the years I've been using it,
And that'd be really annoyed. Like one or two guys

(38:01):
back who you know you've got his account hacked and
you know, I think he lost. I think he described
he lost as raising and had to sort of re
establish himself twice.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah, well, nothing tears you help teas you hear out
more than if you've got a problem with the service
that you pay good money for and all you can
chat to is some idiotic AI bot who solves nothing.

Speaker 17 (38:25):
I can see you tyl you want service. And that's
the way I was going, sort of robotic and AI
and it's not as I've trade me short of a buck.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Yeah, well, think of you call James. It is very
interesting because it was an online service that got rid
of a lot of the admin from the likes of
Trade and Exchange, and then there's time's gone on. It
is its digitalness is its.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Weakness according to James, Yeah, full circle right, We're going
to carry this on for a little bit. Oh one
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Have you gone off trade me? If you have? Why?
And what needs to change? And if you're not using
trade me, what are you using? Love to hear from you.
News is next.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams
Afternoons News Talks. It'd be.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Very good afternoon. Hi, it is seven pass too. Coming
up very soon, we are going to carry on out
our conversation about trade me. But coming up in about
fifteen minutes, we're going to have Brad Olson on the line,
CEO of Informetrics and their chief economists as well. The
half yearly fiscal update has been released, so we'll break
that down with Brad and open up the phone lines.

(39:38):
That comes through in about fifteen minutes. But in the meantime,
back to our conversation about trade me.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Tyler, can I just interrupt you there please? Friend? Yes,
I just wanted to say at three point thirty, we
will be talking to high jump olympian Hamish Cur how
Good as part of our kick Ass No Catch Christmas
catch ups with kick Ass kiw weis.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
Bar Rump a Pump the Christmas catch up bar Rupper
Bump bum with kick as KUEI is.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Rumper bump bum bumpum bum bum. On News Talk said
be with.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
An Tyler, is that available on Spotify yet? We're going
to get that loaded up so if you want to
play that around the Christmas table, that's a beautiful, beautiful
we sting.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Someone asked me if I was when we played that before,
whether I got was getting tasered. I'm not seeing that.
I thought that was cruel.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
That is cruel.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Yeah, exp we were killing a cat in a studio.
I think I'm you know, I'm I'm challenging beverages the
ZIB's top thing.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
It was pretty good and minimal production involved in that.
But that is after three point thirty. Hamish Cur is
part of our kick Ass keys that we're catching up
with over Christmas. Looking forward to that.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Sorry, Tyler, I rudely interrupted you. You were saying we
were continuing our chat about trade.

Speaker 14 (40:56):
Me.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Absolutely, we are so trade me. It has had a
difficult year when it comes to the finances. This is
on the online marketplace. Other parts of the business done okay,
but the marketplace is really suffered. They've lost or gone
down in terms of revenue just over ten million dollars,
which indicates a lot less kiwis are using the platform. So,
if that is you love to hear from you on Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, why have you gone

(41:17):
off trade me? Is it the fees? Is at the
lack of customer service? Is it the number of scammers
or infested with drop shippers? Love to hear your thoughts
nineteen nine two text.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Yeah, they're you know, they're classified business. Their motors, property
jobs have all shown a lot of strength recently. It's
just the ouction part. As an agent real estate, we
don't recommend trade me anymore. They have become cost inhibitive
and there are many other options. People looking for property

(41:46):
generally look around and trade me isn't a good deal?

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Good text interesting Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
set number.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
It's their fees. They've hiked them up regularly over the
years to the point where they are basically a rip offs,
as Mike. Unfortunately, the people running it have the mentality
that they will make more money by putting fees up,
but that causes people to turn away two cheaper options,
So it's lose lose if they drop their prices to
reasonable levels people return says Mike Elaine. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (42:17):
Hello very much.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
You are talking to both Matt and Tyler.

Speaker 11 (42:23):
Hello.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Hello.

Speaker 5 (42:25):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
You know tens and tens and tens of thousands of
people across this beautiful country of ours alone.

Speaker 11 (42:33):
Well, I won't think about that. I just ran because
I'd had experience with both Marketplace and trade me and
trade Me. I don't bother with now because well yeah,
because basically they charge it for it, don't they. They
do marketplaces free. And I've had great success on Marketplace.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
You haven't been burnt yere, Elaine, because there's you know,
there's a lot of stories about Marketplace being the world West.

Speaker 11 (43:01):
Yeah, but I recognized that once once, and I thought
this is a scam. It was a guy in christ
Chitch trying to but by a design address off of.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Me right, okay, interesting, and he wanted.

Speaker 11 (43:14):
To go through the process of He did it through
New Zealand, Post and he went in and paid for
it through a post a New Zealand Post account or something.
It was very complicated. I'd never heard about it, and
I just said to him, you sound like a scam.
I'm not going to proceed with this, and he never
he never got back to me, so I guess it

(43:36):
was yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
I mean, maybe he was just massively offended that you
said you sound like a scam and he ran for
the hills. Was that a designer? Was that a design
address you had made yourself or a design address that you.

Speaker 11 (43:51):
No, it was an Anna Street and dress that I'd
never worn, and I just felt, well, it's not doing
any good hanging in my wardrobe.

Speaker 17 (43:58):
I'll sell it.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Did you manage to shift Did you manage to shift
it a lane to someone else?

Speaker 7 (44:02):
No?

Speaker 11 (44:03):
I haven't yet. It's still on Marketplace.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
What size are you, tyler?

Speaker 2 (44:08):
I'd be a generous twelve, maybe even fourteen.

Speaker 8 (44:12):
What do you want for it?

Speaker 2 (44:13):
A lane?

Speaker 3 (44:16):
That's okay, Well, let's take marketplace and trade me out
of the situation and we'll just get you guys to
do a deal offline.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yep, okay, Elaine, you just stay right there. I'll talk
you in the air break. Oh wait, one hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call if you've stopped
using trade Me. Love to hear from you about why
and what they need to do to change their ways,
or have you gone full noise into Facebook marketplace like
a lane?

Speaker 3 (44:37):
Alan says, the new name I gave trade me tricked me.
Impossible to get refunds. Another note, how's the silver trades going?
Did you get to MKR on the trader guy that
missed you a couple of months ago?

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Interesting? I don't know what that refers to.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
I'm in the dark on that one. Yeah, we have
to take further into that. Hi, guys trade me a thieve? Okay,
we have to use them for real estate. They have
so called partnership plan for a cheaper rate. Best planum
package is eighteen ninety nine on the partnership plan in auckland'
z owe one and as eight hundred and ninety nine
if n the cargo's own four. I can't see the
difference for the difference in pricing as it's all internet based.

(45:15):
It's not like there is freight or storage charge involved.
It also has a yearly increased no matter what the
market is doing.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah, that is dirty.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
One second, I prefer one roof for advertising half the
rate of TM and prices have not increased in the
past five years, and they say they will hold the
price for the next five years. I'd rather support them. Regards,
Paul good on your Paul Good on your Paul. Oh
eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call?

Speaker 2 (45:42):
It is thirteen past two? Bag very surely?

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Wow your home of afternoon talk mad he than Tyler
Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News
Talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Sixteen past two. Have you gone off? Trade me if
you have love to hear from you? Oh e one
hundred and eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
The lady talking about the paying it through NZ posts
that was a laying it is a scam. Her raider
was spot on. A friend of mine had to ring
the bank thankfully just in time.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Smart lady Elaine.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
If I'm buying, I mostly use trade me as I
find it more trustworthy, says this text. If I'm selling,
I mostly marketplace, so no fees. But I only ever
use cash when I sell a marketplace and never give
my home address. Smart clever John, trade me? Why do
you think it's struggling a little bit at the moment.

Speaker 18 (46:30):
Yes, hello, Yes, well I think the fees are too high.
I sell coins and stamps and banknotes on trade me
so I'm in the antique category, which is eleven point
nine percent. And now also they won't let you you know,
they're forcing people to pay by ping and sent of

(46:52):
internet banking. So that's about another two percent.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
On top of that.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Yeah, so there's no way around ping.

Speaker 18 (46:59):
As you say, well, technically you can still do internet banking,
I think if the powers because they do let you
pay cash just cassule pain.

Speaker 10 (47:09):
Yeah, and so that's.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
That's chased you off. You're not using it anymore? Are
you still about nine user?

Speaker 18 (47:16):
They rely on it, right, but the fees are just
so high.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 18 (47:19):
What are you selling John, poins and big notes?

Speaker 9 (47:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:25):
So it's effectively a week business for you, John, or
as a site hustle.

Speaker 18 (47:28):
Oh yeah, well I've got.

Speaker 7 (47:29):
A shop as well.

Speaker 18 (47:29):
But it is definitely a big part about turnover.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Yeah yeah, and so would you use marketplace do you think.

Speaker 18 (47:36):
I'm thinking about it?

Speaker 5 (47:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (47:38):
But the thing is with the people who aren't a
top seller or armed in trade, they only pay seven
point nine percent, and they get a free listing day
once a month, which would be fantastic for us. We
could put all our expensive gold coins on that and
there'd be no fee.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
So why I'm just having a look at the fees here, John,
I can't work it out. So the keysure the personal
membership is as a flat seven point nine. But then
they say under the traders the business membership, it's either
five point nine, seven point nine, nine point nine or
eleven point nine.

Speaker 18 (48:07):
Yeah, but for those lower ones are just some big
things like cars, and it's eleven point nine. For antiques.
What should we come.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Under it's a lot yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (48:19):
And the other thing too is unlike EBO, they charged
their fee on the postage the courier fee as well.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Dirty, get rid of them, John, go to marketplace.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Wow. So Tyler's jumped out of just going back and
getting it. Was trying to find the truth and listen
to people's opinions.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
He's on trade me, forget them, forget them. He's done
treat John well, it's his business for goodness.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
And trade me. If you're listening, you've lost Tyler. You
don't need to be on trade anymore because I'm just
giving you everything that I don't want.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Thank you, yah imy getting a chemistin on trade.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
That's a good point. If I see anything that I
give you on trade me.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
We held a bay share the proceeds, all right, Jeremy,
Welcome the show, Jeremy, Yeah, good mate.

Speaker 8 (49:07):
Yeah, I like you, Tyler.

Speaker 19 (49:08):
Trade me lost me a long time ago. I'd rather
deal with the delinquent morons and Facebook marketplace than pay
the exorbitant fees worth trade me. It's just as God's.
The point is just not worth it.

Speaker 11 (49:20):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
You've put it. You've put it better than everyone anyone
has so far. It's either exorbitant fees or delinquent delinquent
more on, thank your boys, and the balances has gone
in favor of delinquent morons.

Speaker 5 (49:32):
Yeah, unfortunately.

Speaker 19 (49:34):
So I mean, like I said, there's no fees, right,
I mean selling an item for ten hundred bucks or
whatever it is for trade me to take ten of that. Yeah,
it just it makes absolutely no sense marketplace all the way,
which is a real shame because trade me used to be.
Yeah you sort of key the icon almost like it
used to be everywhere everyone used to go to go

(49:55):
to trade me. I'd rather support and He's business than
certainly marketplace or Meta or whatever it is. But I
guess at the end of the day, money talks, right,
And if you're selling any kind of items, Yeah, the
fees are massive, a massive cost.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah, And I suppose the Admind side of things, Jeremy,
if you think about the Edmond side of things on
trade me, where you're paying almost you know, twelve percent
of you're poor old John on something that might be
only worth forty bucks anyway. And then you look at
the Edmund side of my Facebook marketplace, which, as you say,
can be horrendous dealing with delinquents. But I'd probably take
that Edmund over the trade Me Edmond, considering how much

(50:33):
it costs you.

Speaker 19 (50:35):
You know, the other advantage you're dealing directly with the
person and it's fired instant chat as well, whereas trade
me it don't done by emails. I don't know about you, guys,
I very rarely use emails for any kind of direct
comment com I just purchased something yesterday off trade me,
and it made me pay for it. There was no
option to go cash, so I was like, well, I'm
having to pay for this item by hitting it buy
Now I have to pay for this item. I don't

(50:56):
know that the other person on the other end of
this even exists. But so that's a risk from that aspect.
But having that direct communication with the potential purchaser or
what it's just so much easier from an edminder emails
and then having to exchange phone numbers.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Yeah, well, thank you for your call, Jeremy. So delinquent
morons or exorbitant prices, there you go. Trade Me is
of course owned by Apex Partners, you know, which brought
the company in twenty nineteen. And they're London based firm,
aren't they. Yeah, with officers in New York, Hong Kong, Mumbai,
Tel Aviv, Munich and Shanghai. So it's trade Me a

(51:36):
New Zealand company.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Definitely not they're all about that money. They're all about
rapping Kiwi's off now, seems like anyway, great discussion, Thank
you very much. Coming up after the break, we've got
Brad Olsen back on the show, the CEO of Informetrics
and Chief Economists. Because the government's books have been opened
up for treasuries half year Economic and Fiscal Update, so
we'll tell you how we're actually going on the economic

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front that is coming up next. It is twenty two
plus two.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Matd Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news talks.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
I'd be afternoon to U. So four carts. The economy
will grow slower than hope next year. In today's Treasuries
release of its half year Economic and Fiscal update. To
go through it, we're joined once again by Brad Olson
in for Metric CEO and Chief economiss get a Brads,
good afternoon team. So what were the big takeaways? Well,
as you've outlined, I mean the economy has had a

(52:33):
bit more of a setback this year than where Treasury
had expected it to evolve at the budget. So the
economic recovery taking longer to get going and from sort
of a deeper, darker position. And all of that means
that the government is not taking in quite as much
tax revenue as it probably would have hoped to have
seen growth in that and of course expenses are higher.

(52:54):
All of that means that now the return to surplus
has been pushed out another year. On the government's new
preferred measure, the ober gal x figure, it's now taking
until twenty thirty for the books to return to surplus,
probably twenty thirty one for the old Obergall measure. So
long story short, we're still having to borrow to spend

(53:15):
on day to day items for the next couple of years,
and that's sort of hasn't changed. It's also, of course,
leaving the debt position in a slightly more uncomfortable position.
It's it's sort of peaking and not coming down nearly
as quickly as everyone would like. It reaches a peak
of forty six point nine percent that's neck core crown
debt to GDP in twenty twenty seven to twenty eight,

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so again higher than was expected in taking longer to
come back down.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Is that is that a genuinely risky number forty seven
percent of GDP? Or is that sort of just a
politically awkward number.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
It's bits of both. I mean, at the moment, it's
it's palatable enough, particularly because look, to drive that down
considerably and quickly, you'd really have to cut quite a
lot of spending out to the point where New Zealanders
would feel that they would get less services and a
whole lot less in the economy all of a sudden
but it does mean that. Look, if a big challenge
erupted tomorrow, if you had geopolitical issues that turned into war,

(54:14):
if you saw another natural disaster, it's that debt headroom
that we use to sort of get ourselves out of
the picket, the tricky spot that we often find ourselves.
And of course the last couple of decades has showing
that that happens quite frequently. So look, it's tough at
the moment because it really does highlight that again, over time,
it's taking a lot longer than everyone expected and hoped

(54:35):
for for the books to recover. And that's with you know,
to be fair, the government still putting a lot more
restraint on itself than previous governments who were adding a
lot more into the system, a lot harder to take away,
very easy to add spending into the system.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Though, So for households, you know, barring a horrible event
or a war, a war is a horrible event. But
barring a horrible event, does the land surplus actually change
anything in daily life for Kiwi households, not necessarily.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
If you're sort of you know, you're sitting out there
and going, well, what does it mean to me as
a household. You know what am I going to experience
in the next three years that might have been different
from what I previously thought. Probably nothing. It's more that
in the future, and as we continue to go on,
we're going to have to make more and more difficult
decisions over what we spend on and what gets left out.
And I think that's sort of a message that Treasury

(55:27):
is trying to convey quite strongly at the moment, is
that yes, things are happening. At the moment, spending is happening.
But if you know, all of a sudden, you saw
those debt figures, you know that weren't coming down, and
a big disaster struck, we would have to then borrow
considerably to get us out of the hole. And at
that point, to be blunt, we're probably going to have
to see tax increases to pay for that high level

(55:48):
of debt because you can't. I don't know about you,
but i've you know, people trying to take out a
mortgage when they don't pay off the first mortgage and
then just ask for more and more and more when
they haven't shown that they can pay off the first
one don't get looked that favorably by the bank usually,
so that would be the challenge. My biggest issue still
looking through the fiscals is how much money is going
to a certain sect. Is that really do I don't

(56:09):
want to say they're out of control, but man, they
make it hard to spend on other parts of the economy.
You look over the next sort of five years or so,
treasuries forecast today say that New Zealand will spend an
extra seven point seven billion dollars on paying for New
Zealand superannuation alone. That's more than the increase to the
entire health and education budgets combined. So like in terms

(56:30):
of decisions that we have to make as a country,
government spending will continue to go up based on the
current settings unless we change them. And that means that look,
at some point in the next in my mind five
to ten years, the government's going to have to say, look,
we're putting money towards the current settings. So no, there's
no more money for this industry, for that industry, there's
no more money for health or education because we're putting

(56:52):
it on other stuff. That's the sort of decision and
the trade offs that we're going to have to make
as a country.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
So whose faults. This is it labor's over spending in
COVID times and post COVID times, or is it the
government and their settings at the moment.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Look, there's all elements to it. I mean, in a
sense the blame can go around a lot of places.
Of course, having those much higher interest rates and continuing
to see quite a level of support into the economy
during COVID was necessary at the time, but it also
means that we're spending an extremely large amount of money
on repaying that debt over the next couple of years.

(57:28):
You know, it's tens of billions of dollars that are
going to just sort of on the effective government mortgage
all the time. There's a lot of spending that has
been decided in previous years that you know that continues
basically for every year after that. So previous decisions by
previous governments are a little bit more locked in, and
you've seen again a challenging ability for a new government

(57:51):
to come in and say, well, we're not going to
do that because people get used to it. You know,
people have got used to having anything from food and
schools to a whole lot of other policies that just
weren't there, you know, five ten years ago, to put
some of this in perspective, just before the pandemic hit,
you were seeing the core crown expense, So government spending effectively,
was it about twenty eight percent of GDP At the

(58:13):
end of the forecast period. In twenty thirty, core cround
expenses will still be thirty point five percent of GEDP,
so more than two percentage points more of the economy
is now coming through and being driven by government activity.
So it is a real tough one because it suggests
that again we're living outside our means, and that there
are some very very difficult calls, like if you are

(58:35):
central government, and there's of course spend a lot of
calls recently for you know, either spending a whole lot
more on one side of politics or a whole lot
less by other sides of politics. In the middle of
you've got the government going, well, I sort of can't
make anyone happy because I can't spend a lot more
because we're indeficite, but also can't trim it as much
back because you'd create all sorts of challenges for low
income households. So on that note, spread do you think

(58:58):
the government needs to look at text reform or new
revenue measures to address that deficit. I mean, looks in
an ideal economist world, you'd sort of do bits of everything.
You'd have a little bit more ten reform to try
and broaden the base a little bit more. You would
run the ruler a whole lot harder over some of
the spending that government does, and say to some industries

(59:18):
and some sectors, look, you've got support for quite a
lot of time, but sorry, that's ending today. And I
would look quite seriously again about some of those big,
big spending items. I mean, at the moment, even if
we magiced up a whole bunch of productivity, which we've
been struggling with. To be fair, even that wouldn't sort
of put us away from the pretty challenging fiscal conditions

(59:38):
of the likes of super And look, I know it
sounds like I'm sort of banging on about this one item.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
It is.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
It's sort of you know, at one point it's going
to be thirty billion dollars that New Zealand spends on
sufer out towards the end of the decade. At that
point it's more than the entire education budget at once.
So like that one item, that one incredibly large amount
of money is such a fundamental one that unless you
make a change to that, I really don't think that
you sort of make any headway into the fiscal conditions

(01:00:04):
at all. Every other thing is rats and mice.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Now, Brad, you said that the the you know, the
COVID spending was necessary, but surely the fact that the
economy was so overcooked and interest rates went through the
roof and we saw having to house prices and stuff,
surely we can say now that you know, definitively too
much money was pumped into the economy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Yes, to be clear, a lot of it was necessary
for a period of time. And I think the two
challenges that we've found looking back at COVID level spending
is that one, we left that support in place way
too long, Like we needed it at the start when
the economy was in a bad place, when we had
no idea, when we were coming out of lockdown. But
when we came out, when the economy started to get

(01:00:49):
its you know, activity back up and running, we still
provided that support even though clearly the economy, the economic
motor was humming. So there's that challenge. There's also the
fact that a lot of stuff got counted as COVID spending,
when in hindsight you go, well, that wasn't really through
a pandemic. Again, the likes of you know, paying for
you know, health and a whole lot of other areas

(01:01:10):
was important during a pandemic. Paying for jobs creation when
the unemployment rate got to its lowest level ever just
about in modern history. Probably wasn't COVID level spending Hills,
Probably just general support that we didn't need.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Now here's the text has come through because on the
show we've been talking about positivity, and this Texas says,
listen to Matt the fascist who keeps misleading on here
about things getting better. Are you going to still drag
on about that things are clearly getting worse? What do
you say to that text to Rob? I mean the
text to Rob, What do you say to Rob Brad?

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Look, I hear the point, and you look at some
of the indicators. You look at contrumer confidence and everything.
And I'm not saying that we're out of the woods yet,
but we are seeing better economic indicators in a number
of areas. Will be waiting quite with quite bited breath
at this point for Thursday morning, at ten forty five
when we get the latest GDP figures, But we do
expect that to have pulled us out of the whole

(01:02:01):
a little bit compared to where we were, say, three
months ago. So I think the key point here is that, Look,
I do genuinely think looking at the numbers that we're
seeing an improvement. But I don't want anyone to sort
of take that the wrong way and say everything's fine
and solved and everything in twenty twenty six is going
to be great. It's not, but it is going to
be on a better pathway. Most of the indicators are
starting to suggest that. But it's certainly not as sort

(01:02:24):
of as much of a big boost up as we'd
probably like to see. But we've got to be careful.
We're still trying to sort of wean the economy into
a better place after it's head all the support, so
there is a bit more balance. I think that's needed
going forward. Yeah, got to keep watering those green shoots, Brad,
that's the one you need the patrograss to come through.
But you also don't want to trample on it too
quickly or play too many games on it. After that,

(01:02:46):
beautifully said Brad, always good to get you on mate.
Thank you very much. And I know we said this
a couple of days ago, but merry Christmas if we
don't chet again, mate, which I'm sure we want aime
to you. That is Brad al send the CEO of
infometrics and chief economists. So we are going to be
in deficit for longer according to the latest HIFU. So
I'd love to get your thoughts on this. So one

(01:03:06):
hundred and eighty ten eighty. The government need to make
more decisions when it comes to spending or the tax take.
They overshot how much tax they thought they were going
to get, and Brad did throw the grenade out there.
Talking about super annuation is one thing that has been
talked about a lot over recent years. So I'd love
to get your thoughts. So one hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
I categorically refuse to be negative about this. I say
things are going to get better in twenty twenty six
positive outs. I think it's time to go hard or
go home, So stick that up your rob.

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Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Thank you very March Raylan, and we're talking about the
half yearly economic fiscal update as we just had the
chat with Brad Olsen, so love to get your thoughts
on that. It does show we're going to be in
deficit for slightly longer. Brad made the point that the
government government may need to make decisions when it comes
to spending and the tax take, whether there's some more
revenue streams they can look into. So I love to

(01:05:29):
get your thoughts. Nineteen nine two is the text number
and eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number?
Two cool?

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
The sixth says, just look at how much the unions
have demanded recently in the public sector with their labor backing.
They will take this country down between them. When a
new party is elected to power, all frontline public sector
workers should have to reapply for their jobs too. Many
of them are rowing the boat in the opposite direction.
Get on the boat or get off the boats? Is
that text?

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
There is this text?

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
It says, hey, guys, pissport Economic Management twenty thirty one.
Just to break even. You wouldn't borrow just to keep
up your standard of living in your own budget. We're
just reverse mortgaging our country and our children's futures for
the sake of new and flat screens. Spin, spin, spin,
and tax TAC tax is the least left modus operado operando,
But Nicola is spending more. Step one get rid of

(01:06:19):
the eighteen thousand additional public servants that the last government
put on the payroll with no outputs, so frustrating. Kindness regards, Dave.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
It's a nice end. Kindest regards. I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
I like that, and the test, Dave, kindest regards.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Good on your Dave, and some decent points here.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Whether that was a bit of pill with a bit
of sugar at the end, Tony, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (01:06:39):
Good afternoon, gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
How are you very well? And what's your take on
this half yearly fiscal update?

Speaker 8 (01:06:47):
Well, I guess my comment is not specifically about the update,
but just about the and I guess the structure that
we work in, and I'm getting to I have become
very tired of I guess what I'd term whack a
mole politics, as in, we see a problem, so whether
that's let's increase taxes, bring a capital gains tax in,

(01:07:09):
or we see an issue in government expenditure, let's make
some people redundant, let's spend less. It's time that I
think as a country we had a grown up discussion
about the whole issue of what we spend, what we tax,
how do we incentivize people to move away from property,
look at the whole savings and investment side for individuals,

(01:07:31):
key we save and make it compulsory for goodness sake.
But what we do, what it seems to me that
we do, is we pick an item that's flavor of
the month and I'm not having to go at labor
over this as such. But then bringing in a capital
gains tax in one specific area isn't going to change

(01:07:53):
the balance significantly. You know, we need politicians I think
that are brave enough to say this is what we
have to do for affordability. We need to gradually raise
the superannuation age to sixty seven.

Speaker 20 (01:08:06):
Over the next ten years.

Speaker 8 (01:08:07):
We need to make key we sober compulsory. We need
an all encompassing capital gains tax. We need to address
government spending and prioritize, but all we seem to do
is pick on one thing and somehow think that that's
actually going to shift the dial, and it never does.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
Why do you think we keep getting politicians that don't
make these logical decisions that you're talking about. So, if
there is a perfect path that we could take, why
don't people take it. If there's a perfect logical path
that would lead us to the prosperity we need as
a country and achieve all the things we need, why

(01:08:45):
aren't we getting politicians that will do that? Tony?

Speaker 8 (01:08:49):
I think some of it is political ideology. So you
get a party like the Green so they're conservation policies
I have a lot of time for. But we've got
a Green party that is a green veneer over a
socialist base. You know, they do things like we'll never

(01:09:10):
work with National because they're a right wing party, so
the environment is second place, second figgle to their fiddle,
to their political ideology here. That makes no sense to me.
That's a that's not a grown up discussion about what's
good for everyone. So I think political ideology is part
of it. National repealing everything labor does and I'm sure Labor,

(01:09:35):
if they win next time, we'll come in and do
not a dissimilar thing. I think we need more bipartisan
agreement between the major parties for issues that aren't really
core ideological differences. And I'm sorry, I'm really cynical about

(01:09:55):
politicians at the moment. I've I've generally found some politicians
that I could respect and like, and I'm really struggling
to find any of them right across either party. I mean,
there are, my goodness, we seem to have a very
shallow talent pool at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
Yeah, what about I mean the level of criticism politicians
get on anything they do. So let's talk about a
lot of people are texting about the size of the
public sector. So the public sector increased rapidly under Labor
and their reaction to COVID and you know, their need
for you know, you could argue that they thought that

(01:10:37):
we need to keep people employed under this crazy situation
that's happened to the world. But then when Nationale goes, well,
that's a lot of extra public servants and this has
changed a lot in a very short amount of time,
and they go, let's cut back, and then the screaming
and wailing make it seem like you're removing jobs that
were entrenched since the nineteen thirties, if you see what

(01:11:00):
I'm saying. So it is that is the problem that
politicians two, that they're too focused on what the media says.
They're too focused on the complaints and not focused enough
on just doing what they believe they need to do.

Speaker 8 (01:11:23):
Yes, I think that there's possibly a part of that.
I don't think it's a significant portion unless you extrapolate
it to you know, have a vested self interest in
continuing in their jobs, and a three year election cycle
really doesn't leave a lot of room for them to
make structural and fundamental change. When I lived in the

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UK for a long time and and my goodness, I'm
not comparing then the UK now as being any beacon
of light, but something like a four or five year
electoral cycle, to me would make a lot more sense
to give politicians the ability maybe to get away a
little bit from that media criticism. Because the title at

(01:12:11):
the moment appears to be year one, coming change what
the previous politician at the previous party did. Year two,
try and suggest some change and start the process. Year
three worry about being reelected.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Yeah, yeah, I think there's a lot in that. You
do need a runway if you've got integrity when you
come into politics, and most of them do, no doubt
about it. People don't like politicians, but many of them
are not there for a paycheck, at least initially some
of them if they're there too long. But having that
runway to do the brave things that are not going
to be popular, but they know they needed to be
done and they might lose their job because the people
didn't like it. That's a very brave politician to do that.

Speaker 14 (01:12:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
You should be there to make the difference that needs
to be made, not there to get re elected. Yeah,
would be the thing. Do we need a benevolent dictator?

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Eighty is another to go beck in the Mother is
thirteen to three the issues that affect you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
And a bit of fun along the way. Mad Heathen
Adams afternoons ECUs talk said be.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Ten to three. So the half yearly fiscal update has
been released and we're going to be in deficit for
a little bit longer than anticipated. Growth is on the
way though, But the question put to you is do
you think the government should be doing more, whether that
is finding more revenue streams or cutting more spending O.
One hundred and eighteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
Politicians want to get re elected in the short term.
That's why they don't want to make tough decisions such
such an entitled culture right now, says Lee. Yeah, but
I mean, isn't the ultimate end of that to be
oblivate benevolent dictator? So you want someone to come in
and do what's not popular. Yeah, that's an interesting thing,

(01:13:49):
isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
It is?

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
It is so if you say there's a say, let's
we have a five year term and the government comes
in and does a bunch of things that are really unpopular.
Now if the government, if the government's elected, and they
do exactly what they've said they were going to do.
But you do have that situation in America where a
guy has been elected and he's doing exactly what he
said he would do, and it's making people very angry.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
But I as you think of a story, because I
think most people expect someone to like people to campaign
on stuff, but not really do it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Yeah, though those people are few and far between. I
read a story we while ago about a Japanese mayor
and he thought it was important that they spend a
whole bunch of money, more money than they had to
build a tsunami wall. And everybody hated him for that
because he spent far too much and it's never going
to happen to the city. And he was ousted, and
then of course the tsunami hit in twenty eleven and
saved that town. He was long gone, he passed away,

(01:14:37):
but they ended up building a statue of them. But
how you know, those sort of leaders are hard to
come across that. He said, no, this wall is going
to be needed. I'm going to bankrupt this town to
make it happen because it's going to save us one day.
And it did. And it wasn't until after that happened
that they said he was right, We'll build a statue.
But he's long gone.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
But it's an interesting thing that though, wasn't it though,
Because you can be you know, Henny Penny, sky is falling,
and you can be right, yeah, that the sky did fall,
But that also might have been an a rageous, outrageous
thing to say.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Yeah, very true.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
It's like infrastructure for one hundred year rains, right, Yeah,
so you can have a one hundred year weather event,
and you can then spend an insane amount of money
to protect from that. But maybe you you know, there's
also no argument that you just have to weather the'd disaster,
you know, and get on get on with it afterwards.
It's such that you have money to spend on on

(01:15:28):
things that need to be spent on that are real
things that are happening right now. I mean, obviously it's
an incredibly complex thing, or else someone would have solved.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
It exactly right. It is eight minutes to three back
very shortly. We have a chat with Pete that is
coming next back in the moment, the issues.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
That affect you, and a bit of fun along the way.
Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Talks afternoon it is five to three Pete. How you're doing, gentlemen?

Speaker 5 (01:15:57):
Put it this way.

Speaker 20 (01:15:58):
You know, we've got to spend money to make money.

Speaker 19 (01:16:00):
At least what's for national.

Speaker 7 (01:16:02):
What we have now?

Speaker 20 (01:16:03):
Reason not a badly He's not perfect, none remain end
of the day. At least he's positive if he's trying
to get this country going. And do you want to
go have the other block come back in where they're
going to give you a three hospital, three doctors was
just just a lolly scramble. At least they got there,
building more motor ways. They're trying to get you ZeLing

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back on the map again. You're going to get them time,
you know. I think they're not doing too bad.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
Do you think that they should go harder? Because one
side saying that they're going too hard and a huge
amount of people almost equal numbers of saying that they're
not going hard enough. So where do you sit on
that one? Pete?

Speaker 8 (01:16:42):
Yeah, I reckon.

Speaker 20 (01:16:43):
You know, the longer you take to build these projects
only going to cost your damn sight more down the track.
So someone you're quite building the house or whatever some
of you're just going to do it otherwise you won't
be able to afford to do it. So you know,
I'm all for it. They should get all these tournament
countries in here and build all these bridges and stuff,
or the tunnel and Auckland. Get it done.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
They're going to cost a lot more on the track, Well,
like your positivity beat, just get it done. Okay on track?

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
What kind of countries was he talking about there?

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
I must it, I think he said, China, Oh right,
China coming in Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right. I
just just built it and they will come. I think
with Pete's arguments.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
This Texasy of the government was literally elected to slash
spending in public sector numbers. Well hasn't done that. That's
a fact.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Okay, all right, Well, good discussion that and there'll be
plenty more on the old Hifu as the afternoon progresses.
But after three o'clock charity checkouts, we want to have
a chat about that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
Next your new home for instatele and Entertaining Talk. It's
Mattie and Taylor Adams Afternoons on News Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Sevy Welcome back into the show. Seven pass three. A
wee special treat for everyone coming up in about twenty
five minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:17:55):
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the Christmas catch Up Pa Rumper pump pum with kick
Askui is pa rumper pump mmm bum On News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
It be with Mantayler lovely. Every time I hear that
just sounds like Christmas, doesn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
Yeah, it does, doesn't it. So today's Christmas catch Up
with a kick ass. Ki we is Worth has great
New Zealander incredible. He is an athlete that competes in
a sport that everyone's tried. So there are people that
have success in obscure sports, but there isn't a single

(01:18:38):
person in New Zealand. Where are some people those without
leagues and such, who haven't tried the high jump? But
nearly everyone has tried the high jump, And so you
find out who's good at it, you do and he's
the best in the world at jumping over the bar
from the ground, which is incredible. It's amazing. Everywhere, all
across America, or all across China, everywhere in the world

(01:19:00):
people try to jump over the bar and see how
good they are at high jump. And he is the
best in the world, and he's from New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
You proud.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
That's amazing thing, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
Hecky so hell of a thing to say out in
the main.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
Field at the Olympics. Yep is where this purest sports happened.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
I'm going to say, yep, I think nicely said. And
he's a bloody good guy to Boots and looking forward
to having a chat with Hamish Cure in about twenty
five minutes. Before we get to that, though, let's have
a chat about this. So as say you're going about
your Christmas shopping or just doing your grocery shopping. No
doubt you've heard this at the checkout, would you like
to donate two dollars to charity? And although that charity
appears to benefit some good organizations out there retailers and

(01:19:40):
customers like us, new research shows that it can backfire.
So this is a survey of three hundred and twenty
nine New Zealand customer are consumers, and those respondents reported
when they were offered or asked do you want to
donate two dollars to charity, they felt coerced, skeptical about
how donations were used, or resentful that large retailers were
asking individuals to give money.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
So what's the percentage yeah sorry?

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
How many people will survey three hundred and twenty nine
and did they say sorry?

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
I say yeah? So the percentage who felt they were coerce,
skeptical and resentful was seventy two percent. Seventy two percent,
seventy two percent.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
And you're one of them, Tyler, I am one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
I'm in that seventy two percent. I don't like it.
I don't know I've been asked, well, I'm at you know,
I love New Worl. It's fantastic place. I'm going to
name it shame here when they say, hey, just why
you're here? Would you like to give two dollars to KidsCan?
I love KidsCan, fantastic organization, fantastic charity. But then at
that point, and it's not the checkout operator's fault, it
is it is food Stuffs putting that pressure on me

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right at the end to say, hey, do you want
to chuck in two bucks? Because if you don't, you're
kind of a bad person.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
So I one hundred and eighty ten eighty. What do
you think about this? Do you think it's rude to
be asked for a donation at the counter? I mean,
what's the logic pind this? I can't quite get it
because for me, I either do want to donate or
I don't. So if I go around in my life
and I go, look, I give enough to charity, because
we all should give to charity if we can afford it,
absolutely right. So if I think I give enough, then

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I don't give them money. And if I think this
is a good charity and I can afford it, I
do give the money. I can't understand the resentment. It's
just being asked, right, I mean, do you resent being
asked on the street if someone comes up? Actually, some
of those charity muggers, I do resent because because they're
on commission and then they try and shame you a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Yes, well that's where I take it a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
And at one point, in a moment of like, yeah,
one of my kids gave some money to Greenpeace, and
green Peace never stopped harranging them even after being asked.
I had to ask for them to stop, and they continued.
You know, so that seems too far because they want
the subscription donation, right, But I don't quite get it.

(01:21:53):
So can you explain your thought process through this, tyler?
And you're not you know, you seem like a genuinely
nice person charity and you give people, you give them too,
homeless people outside shops and such.

Speaker 10 (01:22:05):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
So you're not an a hole.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
No, you're a good man.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
But you've feel resentful when you're asked at the counter.
So explain that to me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
So here's what it comes down to. And I thank
you for asking this. So, yes, there's a part of
it that makes me feel like I'm a bad person
if I say no. But what I think it really
comes down to is it's an organization and I name
one there. I won't name them again because many people
do this, but it's the fact that they are asking
you as their customer, you're spending a lot of money
in their particular retail shop. Then they ask you, do
you want to do this for the good of charity?

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Then they will be the ones to take credit and
say they are doing a wonderful thing. They are taking
everybody else's money and saying, we're doing this because we're
good people, we're a good organization. We care about Kids CAN.
So they're taking my two bucks, they're giving it to
kids CAN and they say, thank you very much. That
was on us.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
We did that, And Tyler wanted a statue made for
him for giving his five bucks?

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
Is that too much to ask just a small one?

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
Should donations charity be anonymous?

Speaker 5 (01:23:01):
Then?

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Is that the thing to be a truly worthy donation?
Should because what you're saying is that a company is
doing their bit for charity and with the appearance of
doing good, but really what they're doing is they're renseeing
people at the counter and you know, outsourcing their charitable

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donation to people at the counter and and you know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Employing guilt. Yeah, exactly, so they can look good, so
they can put on their website. The other day, we've
given twenty thousand dollars to kids. And did they do that?
I think they do. I think if I go on
to any of these organizations website and said, last year
we donated one hundred and eighty thousand dollars to kids
chan our kids can But did you really because that
money came from your customers when you ask them at
the checkout, would you like to donate two dollars? So

(01:23:50):
it didn't really come from you. It came from your
dear customers.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
Unless and some of them do this, Yes, they give
an equal donation.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
They're as different.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
I made a donation to a great organization the other
day and that then I got the email back. I
did it anonymously because I'm a superior human being to you.
I don't need the honor. I don't need people to
know about this very generous donation.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
That it feels nice, mate, It feels nice when people
know that you've done it and say good on you, Matt.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
But yeah, the people that ran the organization says that
we will give an equal donation to what you gave.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
That is different. Yeah, I'd agree to that. If they
were going to give the equal donation to all the
good people who gave the two bucks, then that's halfway
good job. I mean they could do the whole lot themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
Yeah. Right, Still don't quite get it. So I'd like
to have a discussion on this. I eight one hundred
eighty ten eighty. That's what we're here to do, have
discussions on issues. And this has got Tyler's backup. So
let's get stuck in charity at the checkout?

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
What do you say? I eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call? It's fourteen past three.
On news talks, it'd be sixteen past three. So we're
talking about forced charity. Well, maybe not force, but certainly
heavily implied that you should do it to be a
good person. At the checkout? Would you like to donate
two dollars? How do you feel about it? I eight
hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
George, welcome to the show. Your thoughts on this? Hey, George,
I do not.

Speaker 9 (01:25:18):
Feel good about it.

Speaker 10 (01:25:20):
Here's what I'll tell you.

Speaker 9 (01:25:22):
We're going through the Mega I mean, maybe not so
much anymore, but it was such a big cost of
living crisis. And the last thing you wanted to check
out when you're spending one hundred and sixty bucks a
week on groceries is hey, can we can we have
five dollars for this charity? You guys are literally profiting

(01:25:42):
so much you should be donating a bit of your
profits Couvid charity because we can't afford to pay for that.
And then don't also, don't get me started about the
guys who hang out outside the supermarket. I have to
avoid them like the plague, because as soon as we
make eye contact, it's like I'm getting bullied into hey

(01:26:02):
do you want to donate into? And they'll hit the
line that they hit you with is hey do you
want to donate to kids with brain cancer? And then
in your head you're like, if I say no, I'm
denying some kids with brain cancer.

Speaker 5 (01:26:16):
The transfer, you know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (01:26:18):
It's like very.

Speaker 19 (01:26:23):
I don't know the word for it, but it's very
predatory almost.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
Like so so George, when you say no, do you
is it because you have to say no, that is
that is the problem. And then in front of the
checkout person you feel like a bad person. Is that
part of it for you, George?

Speaker 10 (01:26:45):
Part of it for me?

Speaker 9 (01:26:46):
Yes, personally, But I'm I'm the kind of person who
donates when I'm like, I take the same route to
work most days, right, and there'll be guys who hang
out under the bridge, and if I've got like five
bucks twenty bucks, sometimes I'll give it to the homeless
guy there who's you know, obviously needs a bit of money.
That's my form of charity. I will also don't leave

(01:27:08):
tips that's at a place I eat if I get
really good service and there's some extra money there, Like,
that's the way that I give back to my community.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
So you're so you're a good person, George, and you
know in your heart you're a good person, and you
carry around that information And if you don't donate at
the checkout, then that's because you can't or you've donated
somewhere else. So can't you just say oh no, thanks
and know in your spirit and your soul that you

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are doing what you can and there's absolutely no reason
for you, George to feel bad.

Speaker 9 (01:27:47):
Yeah, I guess that's that's somewhat screw but it's also
the fact that like it's the fact that like it's
kind of on the spot too. It's like the last
thing that they ask you, like after you've tallied up everything,
you know, and you're looking at two hundred bucks at
the checkout and it's like, hey, you want to top
it up with an extra twin? Like, we we can't

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afford to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
But do you think do you think what about on
tipping you said you tipped for do you feel the
same thing? Because normally with the tipping thing, it'll come
up on the f POS machine and you can just
go and quickly go through it if you don't want
it to. So if it comes up with the FOS machine,
do you mind less? Is it when someone at the
counter says, and would you like to donate five dollars too?

(01:28:34):
I remember that that becomes the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Yeah, it's when they ask you for its social pressure,
isn't it? And I think you know it's deliberate because
being put on the spot like that and saying, oh,
why you're here. We've got this lovely charity that we're
raising money for them, would you like to give a
couple of bucks?

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
But they don't know you and they're working all day currently,
they're being waterboarded by Christmas music. They've got a whole
line of people. They won't remember you, they don't care,
they have kind of embarrassed to ask, and it just
moves on.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
If that two dollars went to them, then I'd probably
be happy to do that and say, hey, would you
mind donating two dollars to me because I'm getting water
boarded by Christmas. I'll say, yeah, you know, five bucks.

Speaker 9 (01:29:14):
You know what the best charity donation place, guilt free is.
It's the one at the station and they give you
the chips and then you can choose what charity you're
donating to. So obviously the corporation is like we get
customers coming in, Yes, six amount of period of time,
we're going to donate this much, and then you guys
choose which charity.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
Yes, yes, that is a good system.

Speaker 5 (01:29:37):
But then it's like.

Speaker 9 (01:29:39):
You're at the supermarket and these guys are killing it.
They've been crushing it since COVID Record profits, and then
they have the goal to ask you to donate.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
Yeah, you know what, I am starting to understand. I
am starting to understand a little bit, and that's a
very good example, George, because that is them, you know,
donating a percentage of what you have paid across, So
it doesn't it's not really taking it out of what
you're doing, and you have some agency there. I mean,

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does anyone just walk out with the chip?

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
What are they worth?

Speaker 9 (01:30:16):
I mean, but they're not worth anything. They're only worth
something if you put it into the right bucket. Right,
So he walked out with the chip and then no
one is getting.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
What about an evil person that just starts collecting the
chips and walks around with I'm not a charity guy necklace?
Does that guy exist? I wonder, Hey, thank you so
much for your call, George, and you're clearly a good
person and you have no reason to feel guilty for
not paying.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Yeah, So I mean, I mean that that is I
think it's a fair argument from you that if you
don't want to and you say politely. There was a
text there from Kate ex don I dismissed it and
it was a polite response that maybe is the way
to get out of it and say, hey, thanks so much.
I really like the charity, but I can't afford that today,
so maybe next time. It's probably the way out of
it is what you're saying. You can be polite and

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you still look like a good person.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I totally agree with Tyler says the sex.
So the thing that gets me is they come out
and say that they have donated X amount when it
is their customers, but different if they match it, et cetera.
They also probably claim it as a tax deduction. Well
that's an interesting thing, and I don't know the answer
to that, and I would be interested if they claim
it is your donation to them, but they then hand

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on to someone else's a tax deduction for them. I
don't know if that's true. If it is, then it
does change my perspective on the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Yeah, I believe it. We'll see if we can dig
into that.

Speaker 5 (01:31:37):
One.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. It's twenty three PUS three.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on US Talk ZV.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
Twenty five pass three. So we're talking about being asked
to donate to charities at the checkout, whether it's the
grocery store or the mall or wherever you're doing your
Christmas shopping? Is that okay? Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty or nine two ninety two. Now just quickly,
I've just had a look at an anonymous business. I
won't name them, and I won't name the chair because
that would give them away. But here's the line here,

(01:32:11):
with our customers help, we've raised more than one million
dollars for Chosen Charity. The funds we donate go towards projects, programs,
and equipment like those below. So with our customers help,
we've raised more than one million. The question of God
is how much was the customers and how much was
the organization? Because is it with the customers help or

(01:32:31):
is it purely one hundred percent down to the customers.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
Here's a text here, tyler, really get your facts right.
They disclose contributions from customers separate to their own donations.
I asked the question, you muppet, I didn't state anything.
Really get your facts right?

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Always with they get your facts right.

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
Yeah, it's so, I mean, nicely said mate.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
That's all that needs to be said. With ticks like that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
I mean, if you're going to accuse someone of not
getting their facts right, get their facts right. You get
your facts right about what someone said, Jeez, exactly, Japers
your muppet.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
There's some very angry people out there, murray, how are
you mates?

Speaker 14 (01:33:15):
Well, mate, I've just got I've got one little wrinkle
in the in the argument here. Personally, I don't care
if if I feel like saying you will know that
that's my business and I'm heavy to go either way. However,
there are there are businesses out there that the business
is collecting money for these organizations for greenpeace, for for

(01:33:38):
pen cancer and stuff. Ninety percent of the money given
is taken up in the administration of the collection of
the money, and the organizations that they actually name they're
getting paid a role here. So my question becomes how
much my two bucks flows to the actual where I'm
actually trying to give it to. Because if I if

(01:33:58):
you look at actually some of the some of the
collection methodology that's going on, and that that thing about
we've made a million dollars for an organization or collected
a million dollars, Does that mean I've got a million
bucks or does that mean you've got a good ten
million and that's their shit.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
I would think in that case absolutely, if it's at
the supermarket I imagine every cent of what they get
at the checkout when they say, would you like to
donate two dollars goes to that charity. We know that
there's some other wider, more famous charities out there that
a lot goes to Edmond, no doubt about it. But
I think in that case pretty much everything goes.

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
How many much of these poor checkout people that are getting,
as I said before, water bordered by Christmas music at
this time of the year, just don't repeat then get
absolutely punished by customers going how much of this actually
goes to the charity before I pay it? How much
in this person going I'm on minimum wage, and well
minimum wage is quite good at the moment, I'm not
getting paid enough for this.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
Yeah, they do a hell of a job, those people.

Speaker 3 (01:34:56):
I didn't set up this particular little system there. But
thank you so much for you call Murray.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Appreciate that great discussion. Thank you very much. But we've
got the headlines hot on our tail. Then our Christmas
catch up with Kicker, Kiwis and Dane. Today it is
Hamish cur that's coming up next to its twenty nine past.

Speaker 7 (01:35:12):
Three US talks at the headlines with Blue bubble taxis
it's no trouble with a blue bubble. Treasury says our
exit from deficit will be delayed. In today's bleak new
operating balance forecast, the deficits expected to deepen more to
a high of sixteen point nine billion dollars and not

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narrow to sixty million dollars until the twenty twenty nine
to thirty financial year. Netcre crown debts not expected to
dip below forty percent of GDP in the next few years.
A judge has voided a South Auckland local body election
result after claims of voter fraud. Judge Richard mcilraith has

(01:35:55):
found irregularities materially affected the election result for the Poppatoy
Toy subdivision of the Autara pappatoy Toy Local Board. A
five thousand dollars rewards been offered for information leading to
the return of a poor Namu headstone stolen from Rudu
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(01:36:16):
its temporary records of colored sand products after testing's confirmed
manufacturers claims they are as bestos free and safe. Auckland
Principle resigns one day before school ends after staff complaint letter.
You can see the story It ends at Herald Premium.
Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

Speaker 4 (01:36:35):
Pa Rumper pump pomm Well Christmas catch up, Pa, Rumper
pump pum with Kikos Kueiz Pa rumper pump pum pumpom
boom boom on news Talk said be with Antyler.

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
Olympic champion Hamish Kerr has had another huge year. In September,
he claimed high jump gold at the World Athletics Championships.
Kurz Leap not only secured the world title board also
equaled his own record, confirming him as world champion, World leader,
Diamond League champion and history maker. Is the first key
We to win a high jump world title. He added
those wins to his titles at the Olympic Games and

(01:37:11):
the Commonwealth Games. Of course, Hamish Kurr, welcome to our
Christmas series of catchups with kick ass kiwi's how are
you hey?

Speaker 10 (01:37:19):
Thanks for having me boys, I'm great. How are you guys?

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
Going?

Speaker 3 (01:37:22):
Very good? Thanks and thank you for talking to us now, Hamish,
whenever I watch you jump, I have the same thought
and look, you're the best in the world at something
that every single person attempts at some point. Does that
ever cross your mind?

Speaker 10 (01:37:38):
Well, it's funny you say that. I consider it probably
slightly more on the niche side of sport, but you
definitely do have a point. I mean I do remember
very vividly at primary school everyone having a go yeah,
and everyone kind of wanting to try the high jumper
at least one time in their life. Yeah. So I
suppose I'm just kind of the primary school kid who

(01:38:01):
just keept on going and never really stopped.

Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
Well, it's only niche because only some people are good
at it. If you are good at it, then you
keep going. And you look and you were very good
at it, so you kept going. But it's not a sport,
it's not it's not a sport that you know, someone
had to have a lot of gear to get into,
someone had to have a lot of money behind them.
Everyone tried it, and you're the best, and and you're
a ki with So that is quite something.

Speaker 10 (01:38:25):
There, you go. Yeah, that's the great equalizer, the right exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
Mate. Hey, So looking back at this year, if you
had to pick one moment that stood out for you
the most, what would.

Speaker 10 (01:38:35):
It be, Oh, I mean, look, World Chance is a
hard one to go past. I think, you know, probably
probably saying that I am most proud of and and
kind of most sort of happy and satisfied with so
to speakers, the fact that last year was just so
much energy and coming back from the Olympics and just

(01:38:55):
kind of giving myself a time to celebrate and and
just sit with it and enjoy it and and really
kind of spend the time sitting in that in that space,
and then having to get down on the horse the
next year, and you know, it wasn't easy. There was
There was deffinitely times where I was sort of questioning
whether I wanted to go again, and and it was
quite challenging. But to kind of get to the end
of the season and make a real kind of you know,

(01:39:19):
considered effort to to try and and and really feel
like I wanted to commit, and then to be able
to get the result that I did at World Champs
was was very very satisfying.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
Well, I mentioned that the training is intense, So how
does that look. How much of is gym work and
how much of its fitness and how much is it
just repeatedly jumping?

Speaker 10 (01:39:37):
Uh, well, not a lot of fitness, which is which
is good. A lot more gym works. So I mean
we we do we're in the gym about three times
a week, and then I jump twice a week, and
then I do like a couple of running sessions on
top of that as well. So we do we do
about six days a week of training. Uh, there's probably
about eight sessions and that so a couple of double days.
But yeah, it's it's it's pretty varied. You know, there's

(01:39:59):
a lot of kind of technical stuff that we need
to we need to cover off, but then also a
lot of just trying to get as strong and as
powerful as possible. So every day is flight difference and
and yeah, it's it's it's it's sort of requires a
lot of thinking, mainly from my team, not so much
from me, but but you know, at times times you're asked,
did a lot of a lot of sort of technical
things that we're trying to achieve. So yeah, it's it's

(01:40:20):
it's always always interesting at the track, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
A lot of squats. Squat's a big part of it.

Speaker 10 (01:40:25):
Yeah, big part squats. Actually, I actually did a little
little squat pb this morning in the gym, which I
was pretty heavy. Yeah, squatting constantly.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
What was your p B.

Speaker 10 (01:40:35):
Well, I did a quarter squat, I did three repsed
three hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
Kgsly, it's a big it's a big league day.

Speaker 10 (01:40:41):
Yeah, yeah, it's a yeah. The legs the leagues were struggling.
The back was probably struggling a wee bit more, to
be honest, kind of felt like I was compacted awe.
But but that's that's just what we do, right.

Speaker 3 (01:40:51):
What about the mental side of it, because you know,
high jump is a you know, it's a very Yeah,
the mental game is obviously clear, and you've got quite
a famous, you know, routine before you do do your jump.
You know, how much is how much of that is
it in your prep?

Speaker 10 (01:41:06):
Yeah, I mean it's you know, you go back to,
you know, trying high jump to primary school and everyone
sort of had to go And I think a lot
of people echo the fact that it is a pretty
intimidating thing having that bar and kind of knowing you
have to get over it. Right, It's a pretty common
feeling a lot of people have.

Speaker 3 (01:41:23):
It's metaphorical and physical bar.

Speaker 10 (01:41:25):
You have to get over it, oh exactly. And it's
also it's tough because it doesn't matter how high you
clear it. It only counts for the clearance that the
bar is set at. So you know, it is a
massive mind game. But I think I love that, Like
it kind of feels like chess at times, because you know,
when you're out there and you're feeling good and you're
sort of trying to trying to obviously compete with all

(01:41:47):
these other guys, it can become very technical around who
is jumping well early in the competition, but then who
actually kind of has the leaks to continue on and
sort of how much me doing you do you use
to get through the competition, but then also to kind
of save up for the end. So I love it,
but but you had times it can be pretty draining,
and I definitely feel like I come home after quite

(01:42:07):
a big season and I'm quite thankful for the fact
I don't have to think about trying to get over
the next bar for at least a couple of months.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
Yeah, yeah, during that off season. Genuine question, do you
get any pressure You're at a party around mate's family
and party trucks the wrong word, but any preciare to say, hey, Mash,
you know we've seen it on the tally. But we're
going to set up a wee bar here and we
want to see you jump over it. Do you get
any of that sort of precia?

Speaker 10 (01:42:30):
Oh look, it's the worst party truck because you can't.
Like I have been asked in the past and people go, oh,
surely you can jump over me, and it's like, yeah,
give me, give me forty five minutes to warm up.
I'll go grab my shoes, we'll try and find a
level surface. Let me soaber up a burton. Yeah, it's
not the greatest thing in the world. It's not super transferable,

(01:42:52):
but I have jumped over a couple of people in
the past research down at the track, and I, yeah,
can confirm as possible.

Speaker 3 (01:43:02):
Yeah, speaking of party trucks, I guess you would be
not that great at Limbo. You know you're more of
an over a bar rather than an under a bark
kind of guy.

Speaker 5 (01:43:09):
Yes.

Speaker 10 (01:43:10):
Yeah, I have tried lumba a couple of times. I
will expect to going over the bath yea.

Speaker 5 (01:43:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
Oh good. So looking back on this year and it's
been a huge ef your haymash, where do you think
you made the biggest improvements in your jumps Obviously height's
a big thing, because that's key there, but just in
the general technique.

Speaker 10 (01:43:27):
I think I think probably it's probably not like a
technical change, but I think it's just a belief I've
gotten in the program that we've built. So this year
I was jumping kind of low to twenties about four
months out from World Champs, and in the past, you know,

(01:43:47):
to be jumping that sort of height and then kind
of been able to turn it around to getting into
the two meters thirties and then and then up to
two thirty six, which is my personal best. It has
taken a long time, but this year, given the knowledge
that we've got of how I operate and what I
need to actually achieve in my training before being able
to do that in competition, we were able to turn
it around really quickly. And so I think I think
for me that that ability to know that at any

(01:44:11):
given moment, even if I'm not jumping those heights in
training and feeling like I'm completely sending it at training.
The I suppose it's it's the clues and the hunts
within the training, which we're starting to really understand really
well as to what kind of shape I'm in is
something that actually just makes me sleep way better at night.

(01:44:31):
You know, in the past, it's it's always that constant
stress of you know, have I have I been jumping
well enough in training to the intern around in a
competition and do really well. And I think that, you know,
as we go through as process more and more, I
do know that, you know, there are things in training
I can do that really make me jump well in competition.
And I suppose I'm talking about that from a from
a perspective of in training, we don't actually jump that

(01:44:53):
high often, and so I suppose it's just me contending
with the fact that that's actually just normal and that's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:45:00):
So you were well known before Tokyo. Then in New
Zealand after Tokyo you jumped up to every man, woman
and child, knowing who hamoss Ker wars and what you
look like. How have you how have you dealt with that,
particularly when you come back into into New Zealand.

Speaker 10 (01:45:15):
It's yeah, I mean, I think for me, I am
very grateful for that. Like I remember idolizing a lot
of sporting heroes when I was growing up and notable
news yonders, and I think, you know, for me, I
was just so motivated and so inspired by by what
we can't achieve, you know, this little country can achieve
and what things we put put our country on the

(01:45:36):
map force. So I think, yeah, to kind of add
high jump to that, it's it's not something I ever
thought i'd be able to do, but but yeah, I'm
just super grateful for that. So yeah, I love it
when when kids come up to me and, you know,
ask me for some high jump tips, I usually tell
them that there's my coach's job, not mine. But yeah,
it's it's it's very it's very very cool.

Speaker 5 (01:45:58):
I love it.

Speaker 10 (01:45:58):
But yeah it can be funny as well, Like I
am suck what sucks. So it's sort of not easy
to hide at the best of times. If I'm feeling
like I'm not quite up for you always got to
show up with a good face on, right.

Speaker 3 (01:46:10):
Speaking of fame, you are of course aware that you
are one of the biggest memes in the entire world.
With the Tokyo pull out, there's always sort of they're
not mentioning that you know you've put willfully pulled out.
If people haven't seen it. You're running in and you go, well,
I'm not going to make it so you jump under
the bar and it's used a lot for references to

(01:46:30):
people doing certain things, so that that's huge. I mean
that's billions and billions of views on that particular meme.

Speaker 16 (01:46:37):
I love it.

Speaker 10 (01:46:38):
It's so funny like seeing those pop up, especially when
like when I'll just be at home kind of like
scrolling Instagram whatever, and I pop up. Never quite used
to it. It's funny these days, like people will still
seeing it to me, like, oh, look, you're a meme.
It's like, yeah, yeah, sure, I am.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
I made it.

Speaker 10 (01:46:58):
It's almost like how good people's current meme status is,
whether they actually know what's going on or not.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
Yeah, so true.

Speaker 3 (01:47:05):
I think the reason it's such a successful me is
because you look so confident as you're coming in, and
you've got this great stride and you're looking so strong,
and then obviously you know you're pulling out because you're like,
I'm not going to do this jump, I'm not going
to make it, and then you just the way you
flop under it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
The sweet dive. It's a beautiful maker or not? Yeah
exactly mate, Hey Hamosh, we love in this shad are
You're right to hang with us for a few more minutes.
We've got some punishing Christmas questions for you, so you
just hold there, mate, and we'll get those to you
very shortly. We are talking to Hamish curR as part
of our Christmas catchups with top people. You're listening to
News Talk zed be back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls
on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk s'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:47:49):
There's fourteen to four and we are talking to Hamish
cur part of our Christmas catch ups with kickers. Kiwi's Hamish,
thanks again for your time.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
What is your What does the Christmas break summer break
look like for you, Hamish?

Speaker 10 (01:48:01):
For me often I will be training through so I'm
sort of in quite a big training block at the moment.
But yeah, for me, it's about beach family, just enjoying
time spend with them. I don't get as much as
I'd love these days to spend time with family, So yeah,
that will be coming down to christ Church and spend
Christmas Day with me and hopefully sticking around for a
couple of days before they all go to the various

(01:48:23):
corners of the country.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
Nice great answer. What is on the menu on Christmas
Day or what do you hope is on the menu.

Speaker 10 (01:48:30):
Well, I'm semi responsible for Christmas at dinner this year,
given that I am hosting, which is a little bit
nerve wracking, but we have We've actually ordered my food
bag Christmas, so that's just gonna be coming.

Speaker 2 (01:48:45):
Well played, man, well played.

Speaker 10 (01:48:47):
So yeah, salmon. I think there'll be a bit of
lamb and heaps of salads. So yeah, I make sure
I train double for the week after, just to better off.

Speaker 3 (01:48:57):
We're talking to Olympic high jump champion Hamish Curve, real
tree or fake tree in the Kerr family, real.

Speaker 10 (01:49:06):
Tree at home, but these days I would be going
fake tree. Unfortunately I don't. I don't support the baby
baby pine tree industry too much, so yeah, fake tree.

Speaker 2 (01:49:18):
That's great. What is the best present you've ever received?

Speaker 10 (01:49:22):
Best present? I think probably on brand with with what
I do day to day. In year six I actually
got given my first if a peer of hig jump
spipes from Mum and Dare. They went down to Dress
Smart and I remember packing them out. I can't imagine
why they are at an outleat shop, you know, being
as such a mainstream sport. But yeah, they were down

(01:49:44):
there and so I picked them up, and yeah, I
just love them and obviously it's kind of set up
my career.

Speaker 3 (01:49:49):
We're really pushing the gratitude thing on our show this year.
It's been a real theme, so we'll push that barrow
with you. What are you grateful for this year? Hamous?

Speaker 10 (01:49:58):
Yeah, oh, good question. I mean I feel like I'm
grateful for so many things, but probably the big one
for me is I'm grateful for the people around me
who I can pick up the and have a really good,
kind of deep and meaningful chat with. I wouldn't say
that my job is easy all the time, and there
are a lot of stressful times and pretty scary moments

(01:50:19):
have to go through, so to know that I can,
I can do those things and still front up, but
then also be able to pick up the phone and
feel like I'm not alone in those moments, especially with
my girlfriend and you know, my friends and my family. Yeah,
the other people I'm really grateful for.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
That is beautiful. And finally, Hamish, what is your favorite
Christmas song?

Speaker 10 (01:50:38):
I would have to say that my guilty pleasure would
be Mistletoe by Justin Bieber.

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
Ah, yes, I'm just trying to think how that goes.
But that is a guilty pleasure.

Speaker 3 (01:50:49):
Look, we'll have a listen.

Speaker 10 (01:50:49):
I'm not going to sing it, but it is a
modern classica.

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
Well there's good. We won't make you do that. We're
going to play it right now for your Hamish. But
it's been fantastic to catch up. Congratulations on another huge
year and all the beast for next year.

Speaker 10 (01:51:01):
Yeah, thanks peep for having on guys. Enjoy the Christmas
and holiday break and yeah get into an ex year.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
Yep, you too, mate, Mary Chris, that is great New
Zealand the Olympic champion. Of course, Hamish cur you're listening
to news talks eb and here is his Christmas song.

Speaker 16 (01:51:17):
It's the most beautiful summery lights for the streets, spreading
so much to you. I should be playing in the
winter snow, but I'm gonna be under the midsod so
I don't want to miss out on a holiday. But
it can't stop staring at your face. I should be
playing in the winter snow, but I'm gonna be under

(01:51:38):
the miss sss. Everyone's gathering around the firm, just not
supposed like a hatchet. I should reach you and the

(01:51:59):
where of folks. I know I'm gonna be under the
minesot word on the streets and it's coming, and then
raindy is I didn't do this? Guy so high, I
should be making a list. I know I'm gonna be
under the Minnesota shorty and the missus. Shot show the missus.

(01:52:40):
The wise man followed it like follows the way I
followed by home and then let me meet you from Mircoila.
Don't you baymin don't jibs. I ain't feeling one thing
your lives.

Speaker 4 (01:52:59):
Oh my lift.

Speaker 16 (01:53:01):
That's a merry, merry Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
It's the most beautiful family.

Speaker 16 (01:53:06):
Lights fell the streets win so she I should be
playing and the winter snow under the midso I don't
want to miss out on the holiday. But against up
staring at your friends, I should be playing and the
winters snob, I will be under the missus. Yeah, shot.

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
Shot you with you.

Speaker 2 (01:53:40):
Shot away.

Speaker 16 (01:53:45):
Yea under from miss unders need to underneath the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:53:54):
You love me? So oh, kiss me, kiss me to
the middle to you love me. The big stories, the

(01:54:16):
big issues, the big trends, and everything in between. Matt
Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks that'd.

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
Be very good afternoon five to four.

Speaker 3 (01:54:27):
What a great new Zealander. Hamoskua is a amazing great key.
We Hey, thanks so much for listening everyone. As always,
we've loved the chats today, loved all your calls. It's
been a great old time. The podcast will be out
and about now. If you missed anything, We've got a
real Christmas treat for you. Up next it's Ryan Bridge
and for Heather Lucky after four. But right now, Tyler,

(01:54:47):
my very good friend, tell me why am I playing
this song by super Tramp?

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
Oh what a June. Give a little bit because we
were talking about just giving a little bit at the checkout.
You might feel a bit bad. You can say no,
but it does go to a good cause.

Speaker 3 (01:55:04):
Hi, guys, tried to call the forces the text of
it and get through. I work for food Stuff and
I can confirmed that the store owners regularly make donation
payments to school, sports clubs, et cetera. People Remember, please
don't cast judgment on things you don't know anything about.
I would advise individuals to donate to churches as well.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
Jeff fair enough too.

Speaker 3 (01:55:23):
I've been told here's a guarantee I will make judgments
on things I don't know about going forward, But if
you text me, I will read your text out.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
Yeah, absolutely if I get it wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:55:35):
Merry Christmas everyone, have a great recipe afternoon until tomorrow.
AFO give my taste a keiwi from Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
Tyler Ay, I love you, hum, I'll give

Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
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