Full Show Podcast: 18 February 2026

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hello Gret New Zealanders. It's men Tyler Fullshome podcast number
two ninety for the eighteenth of February or Wednesday. We
didn't get around to talking to which streaming services are
gonna you're going to cut.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Because we're getting slammed leave you and see.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
HBOS leaving Neon and HBO is coming for its own
streaming thing. Are you going to do that? Are you
just going to start pir pirating everything like Tyler does.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeah, we might get to that tomorrow. But had a
great discussion about feral dogs head Shane Jones on who
he went a bit leftfield about transgender dogs about of
all things he could see I say, which was pretty wild.
And then the Auckland Harbor Bridge. That was a good discussion.
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Speaker 2 (00:55):
Give a taste. Keep all right, then.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Big stories, the leak issues, the big trends and everything
in between and kids Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons
with Shoder, News Talks, EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
New Thought THEREB. It is seven past one. Great to
have you listening, and as always, hope you're doing pretty
well where ever you are in the country.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
How you doing, Matt, I'm doing very very very well.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
I want to raise an issue that I think is
possibly the most important issue in the country right now.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Okay, it's gonna be good.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Cafes and their toast. The last four times, four times
i've ordered my beloved poached eggs or scrambled eggs on
toasted cafes, the toast is not being toasted enough.

Speaker 5 (01:42):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
It's all very well to have your fancy pants different
types of bread, but the toast needs to be toasted.
And I don't know what's happening in cafes, whether they're
trying to save money on power or they're not setting
their toasters at the right you know, for long enough.
But the toast has to be toasted. You can't be
cutting through an egg and it's just bread underneath there.

(02:06):
If you're quiting free bread can't be spongy.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah, I mean, it is all about the structural integrity
of the piece of bread, particularly when you've got eggs,
because it's all about how it's soaks in. You don't
want it to soak in too much, because then it's
just an eggy bit of bread and you kind of
need it to just beautifully glide over the top.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Maybe maybe that's your assume. My issue mainly is you
just can't cut through it. You just can't get through it.
You're going back and forth, your plate's going all over
the table. There's a risk of getting it on your pants.
It's just a disaster. Toast needs to be toasted. Yeah, okay, okay,
so cafe owns across the country. Actually, i'd love to
hear if you're doing it on purpose, if it's a

(02:45):
new fashionable thing to not really toast the toast, if
it's just respectful to the fancy bread, to toast it
too much, or something like that, because bread is a
very strange thing, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
It is.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
It's already been cooked and then you cook it again.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
The double cooking of the bread. Yeah, it's double cooked.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
It's some bread, yep. And then you go before you
serve it, you toast it.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Can I just say, well, you brought this up. The
fascination with sour dough bread, I'm over it. I'm over
the sour So I know everybody loves their sour dough
but at every cafe you go to, it's always sour dough.
And to your point, I don't know what happens with
sour dough crust, but it's almost like steel trying to
get through that thing. It's awful. So get rid of
the sour dough.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Is there?

Speaker 4 (03:23):
You know?

Speaker 2 (03:23):
I'm happy with the five grain bread. But ultimately, is
there any cafe that's just doing the white Death, the
good old fashioned white death white bread that's a square
and it's heavily toasted, heavily buttered, and then just slop
a punishing egg on there and then salt it up,
bring it out, and charge me ten bucks.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Bring back those days. Yeah, that sounds pretty good. Right
on to today's show after three o'clock. We talked about
this yesterday briefly. A new streaming service. We'll launch a
new Zealand's that is HBO Max with SkyTV confirming the
end of its deal. So details about the subscription and
pricing will be shared down the line, but the service

(04:05):
will home HBO originals such a Night of the Seven Kingdoms,
The Last of Us, The White Lotus, Succession, and True Detective.
And that means Neon has none of that now. It's
all done by June. Come June and HBO Max starts
in New Zealand. Neon and Sky will no longer be
able to provide you with those fantastic shows.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
So another streaming service. How many streaming services are we
willing to have? And is this just going to start
people pirating if you've got to run seven streaming services
to get the content you need? Because newsflash, it's pretty
easy to pirate stuff.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Certainly is I would never know.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
But it's pretty easy pro stuff. I've got to say,
So are you are you? Are people looking at doing
a streaming audit? How many do you need? I mean,
I've got all of them. Neon and I love Neon
at the moment because it's got hboon it, Netflix, I've
got Disney, I've got Apple, Apple, I've got Amazon Mate,
I think I've got there's another one. I've got Prime Video,

(05:09):
Prime and I've got Sky Sports. So that's a lot.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
There's a limit. There's a limit to what people will
put up with before they just load up their computer
and searching, because you can fight it in Google if
you just go into Google. Isasue I shouldn't be given
out this advice, but I'm pretty sure I've been told
just go to Google and say how can I watch
the show for free? A whole bunch of stuff pops up.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, so what the streamers form some kind of cross
party app where all of them are together. But imagine
how much that would cost. Yeah, that'd be like two
thousand dollars a year to have all the streamers in
one thing.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah, it's going to be a good chat after three o'clock?
Is this pushing us all towards piracy? After two o'clock?
New Zealand's first national Infrastructure Plan was released yesterday, laying
out of roadmap for the next thirty years, but one
suggestion in particular has riled up a lot of people.
This is this nine dollar toll to cross the Harbor Bridge. So,
in addition to tolling the long awaited whiter Matar Harbor crossing,

(06:06):
the Commission Infrastructure Commissioner com into tolling the existing bridge
as well.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, I mean that tolling the existing bridge absolutely disgusting.
As I said before, it's well, let's go back to
a Netflix Netflix analogy. It is the free trial over
on that bridge. So the tolling ran until nineteen eighty
four and then we've had a free trial and then
we're back paying for it again.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, it doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
And the other analogy that sprung to my mind was
it's like coming home and finding the council standing in
your driveway saying, now, cost are parking your driveway and
you go, okay, what are you doing to my driveway
such that I need to pay for it? And they
say it's no, we're paying for the driveway down the road.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah. That you may or may not use great analogy.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, that's ridiculous. Surely the government will kick that to touch.
Do we just have to admit that we can't afford
a new harbor bridge Because if the new Harbor crossing
doesn't necessarily a bridge, but the new Harbor crossing or
any of these infrastructure projects are worth doing, surely that
they're worth doing. As a business proposition, it's going to

(07:13):
be so good, like anything anything you open up, it's
so good that people will pay to use it. Yeah, otherwise,
just don't do it. We can't afford it. To suck
it up. You don't visit a third world country, or
go and visit Los Angeles and then just realize that
our traffic isn't there bad.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
That's going to be a great discussion after two o'clock,
But right now, let's have a chat about out of
controlled dogs. New Zealand First and prominent Northlander Shane Jones says,
our dog laws are not fit for purpose anymore, and
we're not and if we're being honest, there were packs
of homicidal dogs and feral owners scattered across Northland and
other parts of the country, so he's called for severe
jail terms. This comes after a sixty year old woman

(07:49):
reportedly died after being attacked and muled by a dog
on Tuesday in Northland. So Jones says there has been
cause for action to help with Northland's wild dog problem,
but nothing changes, and he's pushing for some radical changes
in the dog laws and how bad owners are punished
if their dog gets out and bite someone.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, what's the difference if you have mistreated your dog
you haven't done? What is the appropriate thing to your
dogs such that they're a safe being to have? Then
what's the difference from just leaving a loaded gun on
the porch or you know, to the person that's suffering
grievous bodily harm from a dog? Or worse. Does it

(08:29):
matter that you didn't deal with a knife, but you
did it with a dog's teeth. Surely there should be
severe punishments for people that have dogs that are deadly weapons. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Oh, eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that
number to call.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
It's not the dog's fault.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
It's not the dog's fault. That's what pisses me off
about this thing, because we're we're both dog lovers, right, Yeah,
and I know that those aggressive dogs, once they go
for someone, they got to be put down, no doubt
about it.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
But absolutely it infuriates.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Me that that dog was put in that position with
a low life scum of an owner that turned them
into whatever they turn them into. It just infuriates me
that if you're going to put down the dog, put
down the owners, Well, surely put.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Down the owner. What you're calling for, calling for capital punishment?

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Well maybe maybe that's where we're at at the moment. Wow.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
OK, I think you're an outlier on that.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
One oh, one hundred and eighty ten and eighty. Winn
a bit far there. Oh one hundred and eighty ten
and eighty is the number to call? Do you agree
with Shane Jones, do we need a radical overhaul of
our dog control laws? Love to hear from you, and
coming up after the break, we're going to have a
chat to the SPCA just to break down what exactly
are the dog laws as they stand right now? Beg
very shortly. You're listening to Matt and Tyler the.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything
in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons, used talks.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
It'd be for a good afternoon to you. It's eighteen
pass one, so New Zealand First Deputy Leader and prominent
Northlander Shane Jones says our dog laws are not fit
for purpose. And joining us at the moment is doctor
Allison Vaughan. She is the SPCA Scientific Officer and she's
on the line, Doctor Allison, very good afternoon to you.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
What leaves a dog attacking a human such that the
owner should be held accountable?

Speaker 6 (10:14):
Well, on an individual case level, there's multiple factors, such
as lack of adult socialization, the dog's been roaming in
the first place. But what we really need in terms
of addressing these sort of tragic incidents is much wider
change and if we would agree with the Minister that
our laws are completely out of date in terms of this.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
What are the laws now? Just briefly, if there is
a dog owner who is a terrible owner and lets
the dog out and let dog attacks someone, what is
the punishment the owner can face.

Speaker 6 (10:48):
So there are punishments that are set out under the
Dog Control Act. But the real issue is the Dog
Control Act is thirty years old. It is hopelessly out
of date with modern science and what we know from
other jurisdictions in terms of what is effective at addressing
what is a population level issue. So really moving away
from focusing on the individual cases and focusing on addressing

(11:11):
what is needed, which is much wider action to address this.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
So what kind of water action are you talking about here?

Speaker 6 (11:19):
Well, I'm glad you asked. So there's not a silver bullet.
We need a suite of changes. But the most important
of these is we really need a substantive evidence based
review of the Dog Control Act and we also really
need more investment from central government in terms of desexing.
So the central government previously provided grants to local councils
to subsize the sexing of roaming dogs and dogs classified

(11:41):
as menacing and we would like to see that return.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
So who's out theredentifying that a dog is dangerous?

Speaker 6 (11:50):
So right now it's the individual councils animal management teams
and really it's a patchwork of different approaches across the country.
So one of the other things we're calling for is
national guidance for councils. So that is a clear stepped
national approach following a dog by that incorporates evidence based,

(12:11):
recognized tools such as the dumb bar by a scale.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
So right now, if there's a dog that is clearly
a risk to humans and possibly other dogs and it
needs to be de sexed, can a desexing order be issued?

Speaker 6 (12:29):
So it depends on the council biloss so in some
cases they can. But what we really want to see
a lot of people might want to de sex their dogs,
but there are barriers such as cast and what we
see with dog bite incidents is often we see more
dog attacks in areas lower socio economic areas. So to
help these communities, we need to make it needier so

(12:52):
people who do want to desex their dogs are able to.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
But is that a part of the problem. Doc de
Vorn that when you have people who are owning dogs
who are not equipped to be able to provide them
what they need. Then this leads to the Roman dog situation.
This leads to aggressive nature of dogs. They're not being
looked after properly because they are not responsible owners. So
as they're not some teeth within the legislation to look
at people and whether they are actually fit for purpose

(13:17):
to look after what can be a dangerous animal.

Speaker 6 (13:21):
Absolutely, and I think what we need is a combination
of things, because right now we have roaming dogs that
are not to be sexed, and this is causing more
and more this growing population of unwanted dogs who are
roaming who are danger to our communities. So we both
need to address irresponsible owners, but we also need to
stop the problem from growing.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, because if you can't afford to do what's necessary
with a dog such that it doesn't attack people, then
you just can't have a dog. I would have thought,
because maybe it's a lower socioonomic area, but people other
people in that lower socio economic area are going to
be the victims of the of the dog attack.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
Absolutely, So we need to a multifactorial approach that addresses
all the different factors that create these situations, because this
isn't just one case we're talking about here. This is
the third fatality in four years up in Northland, and
this urgently needs the minister's attention.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
How easy is it to assign blame to a person
when a dog attack has happened? Does the dog have
some agency in an attack?

Speaker 6 (14:29):
Can you clarify your questions?

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Well, so someone's attacked, a dog's attack someone. How easy
is it to assign blame to the human being, because
you know, you could have a dog that's been great
its whole life, and then they talk about dogs just
suddenly snapping.

Speaker 6 (14:47):
So one of the reason we've been pushing for national
guidelines for councils is because one of the tools that
we would recommend is that yan number bite scale, Because
while dogs may bite if provoked, the type of bite
tells us a lot about the prognosis and how likely
that dog is to cause serious injury. So some dogs
will never go past a snap in the air or

(15:10):
a nip. It's very different from a dog who may
cause multiple serious bite injuries, which we would consider it's
not does not have a good proagnosis and should be
euthanized and right now councils don't have this guidance on
taking our proportional approach that accurately assesses the likelihood of
future bites so that they can make sure they're addressing

(15:32):
things and having early intervention with some animals. Some animals
euthanasia would be the right option.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
What was the name of that protocol you just mentioned,
the doctor Voe.

Speaker 6 (15:42):
That's the Ian Dunbar Bite Skill And right now they're
actually a tube petitions in front of the Select Committee
about the Dog Control Act, and one of them is
calling for national guidelines that incorporate this, and we're very
much in support.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Doctor Vaughan, really appreciate your time and for having a
chat with us. Thank you very much and have a
good afternoon.

Speaker 7 (16:01):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (16:02):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
That is doctor Allison Vaughan is BCA Senior Scientific Officer.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
I guess it'd be pretty easy to assign blame if
the dog has bitten before and then nothing has been done.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yeah, the history of the dog would would play into
it absolutely.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
But I'm an interesting to look at this bite scale thing.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Love to hear your thoughts about do we
need an overhaul of our dog laws across the country.
But just on there quickly. I should have asked her this,
but she's gone now. So does that mean that if
you've got a Rottweiler and you've got a Chihuahua, if
both of those dogs bite someone, the chihuah was fine
because it's probably pretty low on the old Biden decks,
and your rotweiler it's good night, doesn't seem fair. Chihuah

(16:41):
is a pain in the ars of sometime.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
So yeah, well, is it the difference between someone that's
shooting you with an ear eyfle in a bazooka.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah, yeah, there is, Yeah, one way to look at it.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
I'm just looking at the doctor Ian Dunbar bite scale.
It is pretty interesting. Yeah. Level six is death right, Okay,
that's on one is pre bite aggrissive behavior. The dog
snaps or lunges, but it makes no skin content. This
is often a warning sign.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Interesting, right, taking your calls, Oh, eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty, it's twenty five past one.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
The headlines and the hard questions, it's the Mic Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 9 (17:18):
So the headline grab around of the infrastructure plan is,
of course the Auckland harbor Bridge at nine dollars a pop.
Outside of that, we look like a poor country with
a lot of crap stuff that doesn't work well and
we need to fix it. Chris Bishop as the Infrastructure Minister,
and if you were down in the dumps about this
country and you were thinking of leaving for Australia, your
report doesn't really help anyone, does it.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Well, that's a it's a great way to start.

Speaker 10 (17:38):
It's like it's a sobering report in the sense that
we don't really know what we own, we don't look
after what we own. So you're right.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
On the other hand, there's.

Speaker 10 (17:45):
Lots of things in the Zelan infrastructure that are really good.
The reality is asking people to pay for things is
difficult and ultimately roads have to be paid for.

Speaker 9 (17:53):
Back Tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the Defendant News Talk.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
ZB twenty eight pass one, Shane Jones is calling for
more severe punishments for out of control dogs and their owners.
What do you say, Sharon? How are you this afternoon?

Speaker 5 (18:08):
Hi?

Speaker 11 (18:09):
Yeah, Look, I agree that these pack dogs and pack
attacks are pretty horrendous and I really feel for that
woman who was killed, But my story is a little
bit different. We've got a standard poodle. She's seven years old.
She's family the most perfect, wonderful dog in the history
of the universe, you know the story. But we looked
down at the end of the Culdersack and a last

(18:32):
year we had some people moving to the entrance to
the Culdersack and it's a three generation family, and the
old man, well, it's probably about my age, so maybe
got that on walking up and down the road, you know,
exercising regularly. And our dog is an outstanding watchdog. You know,

(18:52):
she's a barker. She's never written anybody in her life,
still physically threatened anybody. But he comes from dare i say,
a culture that is often frequently frightened of dogs.

Speaker 12 (19:04):
And Marlow would.

Speaker 11 (19:05):
Go running out and bark patterns. And then the sun
came and failed us up and claimed that our dog
was attacking you know, his father, and that you know,
he'd be calling the authorities, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 13 (19:19):
And we were terrified, of course.

Speaker 11 (19:20):
Because we knew she had an attacked and had betually
just bit of barking, you know. And poodles are a
decent sized dog and she doesn't have the stupid haircut,
so she looks fairly solid. So you know, we went.

Speaker 12 (19:33):
We got the gate fixed.

Speaker 11 (19:34):
So that it would continue. We kick a closer all
the time. We installed security cameras on the outside so
that we could see whether she was being goaded in
any way, shape or form. But it was incredibly stressful
because the prospect of a dog that's doing its job
as a watchdog and not hurting anybody might be taken

(19:54):
by animal control.

Speaker 13 (19:55):
Was really scary.

Speaker 11 (19:57):
I checked out the animal control that and it said
that they could come off to your premises at any
time and take a dog, and it was up to you,
as the owner to prove that the dog had an
done anything, rather than the supposed victim to prove that
they would. And so then we started keeping her inside
because the dog control access, they might be able to

(20:18):
enter the property, but they can't enter the premises even
if you're the actual buildings to take the dog with
the dogs inside. So you know, that's another extreme at
the other end of the ankle. I understand what Shane
Jones is wanting to achieve with what we're talking about here,
but I'd hate to see responsible dog owners of good watchdogs.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
You know, so your dog sharing your dog hadn't left
your property.

Speaker 11 (20:45):
I can't say with certainty. She might have been outside,
as Calvin Sack, you might have been outside the gate
by two or three feet.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
But once you heard that that had happened, and obviously
there hadn't been a dog attack at all, you then
put systems.

Speaker 14 (21:00):
In place, got the electric gate fixed.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
So you're a responsible dog owner. I mean, anyone that's
scared of a poodle needs to look at them else.
I'm seriously and asked them question.

Speaker 11 (21:10):
You can't be quite intimidated.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Oh yeah, but I mean if they're barking at you,
not biting you, I don't know's I don't think poodles
can be intimidating. But but then I've spent a lot
of time at dogs.

Speaker 11 (21:21):
Yeah yeah, But my point is that the dog could
be seized, you know, under those circumstances.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Well, we'll put that to minister Jones, who's going to
be joining us very shortly. Thanks for your call, Sharon.
I mean it does seem a bit of an overreaction,
but again, common sense right that they come around.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Here an adult and your skit of a poodle.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
I still push back on that pushback on that right.
Headlines coming up then we will speak to Minister Shane Jones.
It is twenty eight to two.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
You've talked, said the headlines.

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Speaker 3 (22:57):
Thank you, mart Raylans so much, Boot and the box.
That's good cool. Right, as we have been discussing New
Zealand thirst, Deputy Leader and Minister Shane Jones is called
for severe jail terms owners of dogs that have become
aggressive and Shane Jones joins us on the line. Now, Minister,
good afternoon, Hey gidy folks.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
How bad is the feral dog situation in Northland?

Speaker 4 (23:20):
Well, this is the third person that I certainly know
has died. There's a variety of other individuals Faro who
have been severely mauled and injured by these dogs. But
we're not talking about the real problem here. Yeah, the
dogs are lethal, the dogs are homicidal, but what's really

(23:43):
feral is the character of the owners and those of
us who have to put up with this devastative behavior
from them. Grossly antisocial. We should be putting the acid
back on them. No tolerance. I mean, seriously, kiwis what
else do we need to happen before we, as a community,

(24:06):
quite apart from the politicians, move in and do what
my dad and them used to do. If you had
a stray they're all dogs. It got shot.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, what punishments are available to authorities now for owners
of dogs that attack people?

Speaker 4 (24:22):
Well, you would know that the SPCA has a range
of powers and they do take people to the court
where there's reckless cases of endangement of animals and other
very sort of lasty things that are done to animals,
and occasionally people get sent down to the LFI prison.
But it's apparent to me the culture, the cultural mindset

(24:46):
of a lot of these owners, and they're not all
gang members, but sadly a host of them are. They
refuse to accept any obligation to change either their personal
habits or indeed the habits of their dogs, and it's
their right they believe to impose all of these negative
effects on the community. I mean, let's look at what's

(25:08):
been in the media. These dogs have been well known
about in that community. They've been scaring people, they've been
chasing people. Mate, when I was in Awnui, if my
father in whose generation saw dog do that to the
tarmoniki or the young people, that dog would be dead
the next day.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
That causes problems, though, isn't it could? I mean, you
can't be suggesting that people get a shotgun and go
over the fence and shoot the dog in someone's yard.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
Can you, well, if you find a dog is pursuing stock,
even to the state.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Ups outside to put the dog down.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah, but what do you do about those gumbag owners? Minister?

Speaker 14 (25:47):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (25:48):
I mean, do your ban people from owning dogs if
they can't actually do what's needed to be a responsible
dog owner. How do you stop gang members from doing
the backyard breeding and it's not just gang members, it's
up and down the country. How do you actually have
teeth and legislation to combat that.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
Well, it's pretty simple in my view that there should
be a level of moral fitness in terms of people
who are now the putative owners of these dangerous dog breeds.
There are individuals who, for example, are never allowed to
drive cars if they're recidibus drugs. So we need to

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consider a whole host of penalties that are not necessarily
directed to garden variety.

Speaker 14 (26:30):
Kiwis love who love their.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Animals, who have devoted to their animals, But these people
devoted to themselves and they're destructive, dangerous, murderous ways of life.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
We're just talking to doctor Vaughan from the SPCA and
she was saying a lot of these problems happen in
lower socioeconomic areas, and there was some suggestion that the
government should be paying for desexing of potentially dangerous dogs.
Do you agree with that?

Speaker 4 (26:58):
So some kind of transgenderism and dogs? Is that what
you're telling.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
You about that?

Speaker 3 (27:03):
As twenty twenty six, minister, come on.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
Bro Okay, if a vet says that dogs might be
safer if they go through some some yeah, but look,
I'm from New Zealand. First, we're not We're not into that.
But if you're asking me, should we explore all options
and protably know that are pushed by vets and experts. Okay,

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but quite frankly, these dogs I encounter in are not
not always areas that are so so.

Speaker 14 (27:36):
So you a low socio.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
Economic but if you're going to own an animal and
it's not registered and it is dangerous, then sorry, then
animal is removed and if it cannot find a good home, then,
just as were euthanized people now there in the in
their old age. Not that I ever voted for the
euthanasia bill, we're going to need a certain category, it

(27:59):
would seem to me to euthanase animals.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
So if a dog attacks and kills a person, should
the owner be tried in the same way as someone
who has attacked a person with a weapon.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
Of course, if your level of negligence as such that
someone has died, then there's you know, sorry, you're going
to face the consequences. I mean, unless there's some clear boundaries,
then how are you going to uphold a sense of
empowerment in the community. I mean people do get frightened

(28:40):
of feral neighbors who don't accept their obligations in terms
of being a good neighbor. And if they've got dogs
and they're using the dogs as some sort of weapon,
I mean, it is awful for the animal, but it's
a side bloody worse mate for the person on the
receiving end of a marling.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
Absolutely, You're getting a lot of support on the text, minister,
and it says fired up the phone lines, which is
what we always want. But really appreciate your time this afternoon.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
Take care.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
That is Minister Shane Jones who has called for severe
jail terms and an overhauling of our dog control laws.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah, I mean absolutely, they have dogs out and about
and on a farm and worrying livestock and then that
gets sorted out, doesn't it?

Speaker 3 (29:23):
It does?

Speaker 6 (29:24):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (29:24):
I'm it's a lot too, you know, can I can
definitely see problems if people decide to go and euthanased dogs.
A citizen euthanization of a dog.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Yeah, could go, could go? But Harry, but Keno and
your thoughts So one hundred and eighty ten eighty is
Shane Jones right? Do we need more severe jail terms
for offending dog owners? And do we need to get
serious about those dog owners who can't look after dogs?
Nine nine two at seventeen to two to have a chad.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
With Matt and Tyler on eight hundred eighty eight Matt
Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons with Skoda. Can you crack
the scoder code us dogs?

Speaker 3 (30:01):
That'd be it is a quarter to two?

Speaker 2 (30:03):
This six is says well said Shane. If a dangerous
dog ever attacks my kids, grab a knife from the
kitchen and kill it. Wow, but a knife take a while.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Good luck to you.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
This Texas says, why aren't we pushing back on the minister?

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Now?

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Why aren't you pushing back on the minister? Deserving desexing
animals reduced as a population. It's nothing to do with
his agenda on the sex debate or to be fair,
when we were talking about the d sex thing, Shane
the Minister, Shane Jones, he made it a transgender issue
and to be honest, I got but combobulated by that.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Threw us a little bit.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, I was trying to I was trying to run
it through my how to do things crossed. Yeah, there
became sort of an a gender affirming care kind of issue.
It was a bit of a whiplash moment. But potentially
that's why we didn't push back. I was just trying
to gather my thoughts. Ye, Diane, how are you Hello.

Speaker 15 (31:01):
Well, I'm a bit nervous because I've never run talkback
radio before.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Well, welcome, Diane. Thank you so much for calling. We
appreciate it.

Speaker 15 (31:09):
I've been sod on to speak out because I've been
the recipient of two dog attacks whats on my bike.
The first one was in September last year when I
was attacked by a dog from the Marai on a
cycle lane. The dog came through the sense, but my
calf came around the other side tried to bite my

(31:30):
left calf I kicked it off, and then it actually
jumped up on me and tried to knock me off
my bike. Now I'm sitting strong and a lot of exercise,
so I managed to keep on my bike, but was
very shaken. Needed medical attention for the dog bikes.

Speaker 7 (31:48):
That was fine.

Speaker 15 (31:49):
Four weeks later, during the Yhead Pyra cycle trail, we
were just heading into Pyrah and this pitball cross just
ran across the street at me from about one hundred
meters away. It flew at me. It attacked me on
the right side, It attacked me on the left. I
rabbed hold of my shoes, took a chance out of

(32:11):
my shoe. By that stage, the young lad who was
with it had caught it up, but by that stage
I was incredibly traumatized and found the police station. Fortunately
my husband has stopped, taken a photo of the dog,
took it to the police station. They identified the lad

(32:31):
of the dog immediately. Now this particular dog had had
a similar incident a year earlier. The dog ranger did
impound it, but no so he didn't impound it because
he said the dog was the sex and registered, but
the provisions were for the owner to keep the dog.

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They had to have it on a muzzle when it
was outside their property, and they had to make sure
their property was well fenced. Piro District Council handled it
extremely well and I had a letter of apology from
the owners chair under District council had done nothing but
shut me up.

Speaker 14 (33:09):
They don't want to.

Speaker 15 (33:10):
Hear, they don't want to know. The dog was in
the pound for a month or so, and then I
had a call from the Taro Chief Dog Officer saying
it was going to be released back to the owners,
who are part of the MARII. I was distraught. Obviously
that dog is still on that property. I've seen it

(33:33):
quite a few times when because I refuse to get
told to not ride my bike on a cycle name.
So the dog is still there. So Taro good Council
have been incredibly dismissive. So I think, really they need
to be less woke. They need more power to euthanize
the dog when en if needed, And yeah, maybe laws

(33:56):
do need to change. This has actually less a profound
emotional effect on me. Yeah, and reading this about the events,
it brings all that trau of it again. It's just
it's awful.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
I'm sorry that happened to you, Diane, and in multi
multiple multiple times.

Speaker 15 (34:19):
Yeah, that's a nation problem. But the nationwide problem. This
isn't just the final this is power. This is all
over New Zealand. Well sorry to South Islands, sere better,
but something needs to be done. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Well, thank you so much for thank you so much
for for ringing in, for your first time ringing in.
Thanks so much for sharing sharing your story. Yeah, you
do you do that, you do that. Nothing wrong with
a bit of a cry, exactly. Thanks you called Diane,
what a great call.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Call us any time. Oh one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is number to call. I mean, that is a
bit poor from tode on her. If she's been attacked
twice and they say, what are we going to do?

Speaker 2 (34:58):
What's your track? Attacked twice in tode on it and
once in.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yes you're right, so three times. But yeah, but when
she reported it and said this is a dog it's
had to go at me. It actually bit me and
tried to jump up on me, and Todd on that
city council said what are we going to do? Can't
do anything.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
I mean, if you've if you've already been you know,
there's been complaints and you've had stipulations put on your
ownership with the dog, and then you don't do those
and then the dog bites someone else. I mean, is
that really any different from just going up and stabbing them? Yeah,
it's good men, you know, and most people would say no,
I mean still a weapon, isn't It's an animal weapon.

(35:36):
But what's the difference between teeth and a knife? Really?

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah, exactly, keen on your thoughts. So eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is that number of call? Nine to niney
two is the text? It is nine to two.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Matd Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Afternoons News Dogs, EDB News Talks, ed B John, how
are you?

Speaker 16 (35:59):
Yeah, good afternoon, go hi there, good afternoon to use
Mike Tyler. Listen, mister Saint Jones. He's on the ball.
I'm so angry about this because that poor person and
there's other people that's passed on. Imagine what they went through, Fellas.
It's it's not on it's a it's a weapon. It's

(36:21):
it's full of teeth. I've been bitten, but I'll come
back to you on that one. But I know full
well the Minister of Housing needs to jump into some
of these council properties where they've got these little wheat chiuahas. Now,
these things are vicious, very vicious. They are very vicious.

(36:48):
And if there wasn't a pane of glass between this
person and the other, look, it would be all over.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Now, would you do.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
You back yourself against at chiuhaha?

Speaker 16 (36:57):
John, I'll tell you this one. I'm sorry. I'll just
break its neck. There you go.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
I'm so there's only so much damage that to how
I can do. I would say, though, compared to some
of these other big.

Speaker 16 (37:13):
Dogs, Well, I've already killed a big dog. So I
will play today to you very very shortly. In my day,
we used to train sheep dogs. Now once they start biting, unfortunately, goodbye, Nurse.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Yeah, Jack, if.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
You call John, the difference between teeth and a knife
would be intent. Yeah, this is a good point. Unless
the owner intended for the dog to attack someone, it's
not quite the same thing. That's a good point because
I'm saying what's the difference. Then, if you've been told
that your dog is dangerous and that there's things that
you need to do, muzzle it as desex it essential
and essentially enough some other things, and it attacks someone.
I'm saying, what's the difference then just running across and

(37:51):
taking some of the knife. It is intent, so it's
more of a gross negligence.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
I'm in a situation if a dog killed someone that
comes down to manslaughter. Surely that if you're driving a
car and you've had too much to drink and you
kill someone, then you can be liable for manslaughter because
you're behind the wheel of a weapon. If you're the
old owner of a powerful weapon like a dog, and
you know it's got the potential to do that, and
you don't take the you know.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, well intent for it to be intent, it would
be to sick the dog on someone, right. Yeah, So
these people who make a good point, it's not quite
the same thing.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
We're going to carry this on after three o'clock. Keen
on your views. Oh e one hundred and eighty ten
eighty Is it time to overhaul the dog control laws?
Do we need to be more severe? As Shane Jones
says nine two ninety two, is the text news, sport
and weather coming up grade? To have your company. You're
listening to Matt and Tyler with.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Me talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and
Tyler Adams Afternoons with Skoder News Dogs EP.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Very good afternoons. You seven pass to. Just a reminder,
our friends at Scoda could be sending you and a
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If you need some help with today's clue, keep listening.
We will have that clue for you later on this hour.
But back to our discussion we've been having about control laws.

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This is after Shane Jones has called for severe jail
terms for owners of dogs that became aggressive. He also
told us last hour that a moral standard for dog
owners could enable animals to be taken off terrible owners.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Oh that's yeah, I mean hard to work out.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah, I don't know how you figure out the morality
of a particular owner.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Yeah, do you get a citizen score? Hey, I'm an
ex animal control officer from South Auckland, says Anna. But
can't get through. Ah, keep trying. I can tell you
we do actually have full lines, but they'll open up.
Maybe I can tell you some stories that you wouldn't
believe about the dog owners, not the dogs. The problem
is when it was under a private contract, we per

(39:50):
prosecuted sees dogs all day long. Euthanasia was every single morning.
We picked up roaming dogs all day long. Since Council
took over the contract, it has been an absolute disaster.
Interesting this says, hey, there great program. There was a
well known and Todonga when Chopper the rotraaler attacked the

(40:11):
vet the paroh owners when blister can. Eventually Chopper got chopped.
The owner and another family member carried out a campaign
against the vet which was affecting her clinic. Business owners
need to take much more responsibility where they read their
dangerous job dogs and pets. She is Patricia. Hi, guys,
there is no such thing as a bad dog, only

(40:32):
bad dog owners. Even some of the fighting breeds can
be absolutely sweethearts, but it's still in their DNA. I
have two French bulldogs and they love people, but other
dogs and young children, they get very protective and will snap.
But as a good dog owner, I am always aware
of that and it has never happened that they've bitten

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someone the sex. It's not the damage it inflicts that's
my main concern. It's the intent behind it. Once a dog,
regardless of size, attacks unprovoked, the risk of it happening
again is high. If it's defending itself from an intimidating person,
or it's defending it's human slash property. That's like telling
a human not to stand up for themselves and get
robbed or abused.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Keep those teaks coming through.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, I mean that's why you've got to manage if
you if you have a dog and that's a guard dog,
or you have a dog that has the potential to
cause problems, then you have to do all you can
to manage that situation.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yep, absolutely, Kahi keen on your story.

Speaker 14 (41:34):
Ok, it goes so you you.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Intervened in a dog attack, is that right?

Speaker 8 (41:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (41:41):
Yeah, tell us what happens is the lady, this lady
was visiting or picking up for daughter from the neighbors
and uh, just next door to me and oh sorry,
I'm just listening to myself on the radio, trying.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
To take a second to turn yourself offrom the radio.
See it's hard to do both.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
That is tough.

Speaker 14 (42:03):
Yeah, dogs next door and das idea whatever. And she
was picking the door up and then they were just
leaving and Uh, it was a football, like a Biggers football,
And I know muster. I just said, I was watching
the UFC was Sunday afternoon. And then I heard the
screaming and opened the curtain and I'd just seen the

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dog left onto her arm, dragging her out of the car.
The lady who was driving the car.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Wow.

Speaker 14 (42:31):
Then yeah, it was just pulling out of the car.
So yelled out to my son, come give me a hand,
you know, And I just grabbed the baseball beat told
him to grab the spade and ran down. And then
I started waking up because I wouldn't it go, worked
there like three times, and then finally let her go,
and then it turned on me and started coming after me.

(42:52):
I like walking up slowly, and then yeah, it was
It was just crazy. And then it just turned around
and then it went straight back to her arm, saying
what and just kept kept biting her and ripping her arm.
Oh my god, Yeah, it was crazy.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
And did you did you so did you know who
owned the dog? Did you find out who actually owned
the dog?

Speaker 14 (43:20):
Well it was her partner that the.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Right. Wow, So did she have the dog in the car?
Do you know car here or the dog she obviously
got home and the dog came out and just went
for her.

Speaker 14 (43:34):
No, the dog was in the car then when she
was picking her daughter up, So I'm guessing the smelt
the other dogs on her got the scent of the daughter.
I mean the scent of the other dogs on the door.
And it started so that the dog started nipping the
her daughter's nick, started biting on her neck.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
And then.

Speaker 14 (43:54):
That lady of her mother started whacking the dog and
it just leaft onto.

Speaker 16 (44:00):
Her arm shapers and.

Speaker 14 (44:02):
Just started dragging her out of the car.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
And so what so started to come to you. Then
it went back to the same. So what hapened at
that point? You just said to keep working it.

Speaker 14 (44:10):
With the bed and walk straight running straight back down
to the lady and left on too. And I told
my son to call the ambulance. And yeah, it was
just just prenant, moved like there was no one around.
I helped.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Well, good on you. Got on you and your son
for for steeping in and helping out. A lot of
people wouldn't wouldn't have the guts to do that.

Speaker 14 (44:32):
It was going on for about ten minutes. I ran
inside and grabbed the de SI had to run inside
and grab the butcher knife. Yeah, and uh, I'm running
back out and you ended up just I had to stay.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
It and what and what and did that? Did you
euthanize the dog?

Speaker 4 (44:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (44:52):
Whoa, Yeah, I had to. That's the only way to
get off. That was literally would have killed her to
receive a couple of our arteries there and just turned
up by time the dog and the dog was just slowly,
you know, dying the letter and then yeah, I felt
there doing that. But you know it was either the

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dog or her.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
And what did the what are the owners of the
dog that have been attacked by the dog? But what
did they say to you after that situation? Were they grateful?

Speaker 14 (45:23):
When she finally got out of hospital a couple of
weeks later, she come over and thank me. We'll save
you in life.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Yeah, well good on you mate.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Yeah, I mean you did the right thing. Okay, as
brutal as it is, and clearly it's pretty traumatic for
you to go through. But as you say, what else
do you do? It's either the dog or the person?
And I mean cheap is the fact that you had
to do it, mate, because you were the one there
that's brutal.

Speaker 14 (45:46):
Yeah, yeah, and yeah, I actually cut my tendon and
my pinky, so I had to go in an episode
do myself a little more.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Well, what what a dramatic situation, man?

Speaker 14 (46:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yeah, that that is intense. Most people wouldn't go through
their whole life without experience anything as intense as that. Yeah,
I hold it a little bit.

Speaker 14 (46:10):
He was too scared to help me. He didn't. I said,
grab the show, will and you know, come and help
me whack it little give offer.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
How old was your boy.

Speaker 14 (46:18):
Now at the time, you would have been sixteen.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
That's pretty serious. Yeah, well, hey, thank you so much
for sharing your story.

Speaker 14 (46:28):
Man.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
I mean, imagine your own dog. I just want your
own dog going. You would be quite something that you say.

Speaker 14 (46:33):
You go, mate, I've got nothing against footballs. I've owned
footballs all my life since a little and I reckon
it's it's just so how you bring them up, how
you raise them.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
So like so for pitotbulls, because that's a pititball. That's
probably been me. I don't know the history at all,
but I would say that the car has been good
every day and then one day just turns Can that
happen to.

Speaker 14 (46:56):
Her brother at the neighbors? Not long after that, and
he said they had bidden someone in the past, So
I reckon this should have got put down there.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah right, oh, thank you, thank you so much for
your call. Man, Really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Yeah, unreal. Kah thinks you're watching UFC and then all
of a sudden you look outside and something even even
more brutal than UFC is going on. Gee, I mean
to be put in that situation, good on, Kah, look
as a dog lover with both dog lovers. But you've
got to do what you've got to do. I don't
know if I'd have the mental fortitude to do what
he did, but thank god he did.

Speaker 14 (47:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
I mean I like to use nize that cat that time,
but it's a totally different situation. Yeah, the cat wasn't
attacking me.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
That was full on though. Oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call keen on your view. So,
I mean, if you've got a story like Kahi really
keen to hear from you. It is quarter past two.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons call,
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk.

Speaker 8 (47:54):
Said be.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
As Texas says what happened to the dog. Well, Kahi
killed the dog with the butcher's knife to save the
woman who was one of the owners from being mauled
by the dog's gone, and he shows what happened to
the dog after that. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Yeah, the dog got buried. I don't know, potentially buried, yeah,
who knows. But yeah, left in the trash.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
I don't know. What do you do with the dog
that's tried to kill someone and it's been killed with
a butcher's knife?

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Yeah, who knows.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
It was quite the story there, very interesting. This said
that was my neighbor, that story that we just heard then, ah,
and that those dogs, those dogs were constantly out on
the road rushing members of the public. Was a very large.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Pitball, right, so repeat a fender.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Do you think you'd have the guts to do that?
If you saw a large pitball going a woman in
a car, would you have the guts to go out
and do what you need to do with the butcher's knife.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
I just wouldn't think about getting the butcher's knife. I mean,
good on Kahi for thinking that. I think if that
if I was in that situation, i'd panic try and
do what I could try and rip the dog off.
But that would be the end of it, was. I
don't know what else to do here.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
As dog lovers, it's hard to get your head around
the idea that you might have to so brutally deal
with the dog.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Yeah, yeah, we've all thought about it.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Yeah, but in the end, as much as you love dogs,
it's the human always comes firstly.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Obviously, very true, Monty. How are you?

Speaker 8 (49:19):
Yeah, Hi there, Yeah, thanks to take my call. I
had a very memorable experience with a very close friend
of mine about ten years ago. He was out riding
his bike mining his own business, Quiet Street, and these
two dogs flew out of the property. They've been causing
trouble before with other neighbors. Apparently, anyway, got into the

(49:40):
front wheel. He went up, over the handlebars, landed on
his head, ended up and ranwy and the brain treatment.
He's never been the same since, can't drive. He's sort
of vegetable eyes. I suppose you can stand away.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Oh man, wow, So just so I can get my
head around that, Monty. So the dog bit the front
wheel and he went over the handlebars.

Speaker 8 (49:59):
Yeah, yeah, the dog. The dogs flew out into the
from this property, which apparently was you know. It was
one of those things seemed to happen quite a bit
by sound of it, and anyway to kill. He was
riding past the dogs, fell out, got on the front
wheels and up he went over the handlebars and landed
on his head and brain damage. And the maddening part

(50:21):
was he was he was only he was handy to
home and just a short run and I said, didn't
heavy selmet on for about the first time ever, And
that's wrecked his life. And of course his wife and
the family bore something accordingly.

Speaker 17 (50:34):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Yeah, was there any repercussions for the dogs or the dog.

Speaker 8 (50:38):
No, I think the dogs were put down or something.
I'm sure they would have been, but it's going back
ten years to have it has left a very marked
impression on me after knowing what he was. I mean,
we grew up together as kids, you know, and you
had been his early seventies.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
I suppose that's sad, but yeah, so, I mean, isn't
it because the dog is responsible for that. They haven't
actually physically attacked the owner, but there's there. They're responsible
for serious damage to a human.

Speaker 8 (51:07):
Apparently, because there's been a lot of trouble prior to
this experience, but of course it was just the worst
scenario I could imagine.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
You know, absolutely, Yeah, that is tragic, Monty, thank you
very much. I mean, that is a tough one that
as you said, that the dog was responsible. But if
you you know, if that poor guy got her buy
a car, for example, how much responsibility to put on
the on the car driver, because that was a dog
attacking the bike, not the human. Tragic, incredibly tragic, But

(51:35):
that's a tough one to put in the same category
as what car he had to deal with.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah, I mean I was out on the road the
other day walking my dog and I saw two pit
bulls that had got out of the gate of their
house and they were just standing at the end of
the street, really powerful looking dogs, yep, And they were
just looking at my dog and they looked there was
a different look in their eye actually was quite chilling.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
It would have they looked like hounds from hell. Do
they have their manhood still attached?

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Okay, yeah, yes, helps out sign of go anywhere?

Speaker 2 (52:09):
And yeah, I'm just thinking about if that'd come from
my dog. Colin.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
You know, what do you do?

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (52:15):
You and Colin versus? Yeah, A couple of pities.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Well, if it was between Colin and those pities, then
I'd be getting the butcher's knife.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Yeah, I'll pit your woord all right. Twenty three past two,
taking your calls of one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
We have been talking about dog control laws. Is it
time that they are radically updated and severe punishments come
through for bad owners? Back very shortly.

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Speaker 3 (53:33):
Twenty six past two.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Matt, who would call a dog Colin? Well, it's a
good question. Our dog's called Colin, and it was named
by a couple of little boys that were one was
two and one was four at the time. Yeah, so
they called it because we let Matt kids our little
boy's name our dog Colin.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
And he's definitely a Colin. Now really fits that name
massas strong. Yeah, strong name.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
But then Colin from Accounts came along and everyone goes, oh,
you called your dog off the TV show Colin from Acounts. Now,
we were there a long time before that.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Colin was the og.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
We should have UFC matches between humans and pit bull
says John. That's a little bit taken it back to
the ancient Roman Colisseum. I'm not sure if people are
ready for that just yet. I take a weapon with
me when I take my lovely bulldog out in public,
just in case a rogue dog comes to play up.
Great show guys from Big Jay the trucker. What we
need more information?

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Yea, what bide a weapon?

Speaker 2 (54:23):
What are you taking out in AK forty seven?

Speaker 3 (54:27):
The weapon? They would do the job? Kate, how are
you hi there?

Speaker 18 (54:31):
Yeah? I'm good.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Thank you so keen to hear about your story?

Speaker 15 (54:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (54:37):
Basically, I mean I've always had dogs, but this one
particular dog that I had, I got she was eight
months old when I got off from a rescue and
I was taken her down the beach to meet up
with a friend and her dog. So the friend and
her dog were in the ocean, and as we approached

(54:57):
the beach, she let her dog go because the dogs
knew each other. But my dog was just like all
my dogs would say, was this dog running at us?
So therefore the only thing I can think, Oh, she
interpreted it as danger and she went for that dog

(55:18):
and she didn't let go. Long story short, basically got
them separated. But I I had to I have my
dog put down that afternoon because you volunteer something. Yes,
broke my heart broke. I could still cry now only dog.

(55:40):
But I saw something, and I've seen a couple of
little things before, not nothing like that, not even a
bite or anything. But I just had this feeling, and
I was like, if anything ever happened, I knew what
I'd seen, so I knew that I had to do that.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Well, you know, there's a very brave move for you,
if you knew it was the right thing to do,
then being good on you? What what? What? How much
damage did your dog do to your friends dog that
was running out of the water, Just a few.

Speaker 19 (56:11):
Pinch of holes and you know, just a normal thing.
But I mean I actually at one stage thought, oh
my god, this dog's going to lose an eir. I
lost half of my kind of thinger trying to separate them.
But yeah, I think I had more damage than anyone else.
And that was just that was me put in my
hands where I shouldn't have. You know, that wasn't any

(56:33):
any of the dog's fault.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
And how did your friend react? How did your friend
react to the situation?

Speaker 20 (56:41):
Oh, she was pretty good.

Speaker 19 (56:43):
She was really understandable. You know, I was like, oh
my god, Oh my god, she was She says, I
can see that. You know, your dog was just trying
to defend you. So she was really cool. She was
really cool about it. But and she was like, you
didn't have to put.

Speaker 12 (56:59):
Your dog down.

Speaker 19 (57:00):
I went I saw something, as if I can't because.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
They could have been a child and not another dog at.

Speaker 19 (57:07):
Some point, do you know, I mean, even if it
was another dog, you know next time, that's bad enough.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
And so, how did you lose the bit of your finger?
So did one of the dogs bite?

Speaker 12 (57:17):
Well?

Speaker 19 (57:17):
No, I so I did the whole chin to pull
the tail trying to separate them.

Speaker 12 (57:22):
That didn't work.

Speaker 20 (57:23):
So I put my finger at the real back of
my dog's teeth, you know, the bitee pa, And just
in the whole drama and chaos of the things, my
finger got caught. I mean, it wasn't the dog attacking me.
The dog was still latched onto the other dog.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
It was just you know, yeah, okay, what a what
a full on decision to have to make.

Speaker 19 (57:50):
Yeah, horrible.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Yah.

Speaker 19 (57:52):
I've had so many dogs, and I've been there when
they've been put down. I'm ex fetner.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
An incredibly hard thing to do. How long did you
have the dog for? You mentioned it was an older dog.
When you're riskued it.

Speaker 19 (58:04):
Yeah, I had her for about three years. Okay, I've
seen a couple of things where like, well that's a
bit odd, that's a bit odd.

Speaker 14 (58:13):
And then yeah, so did you take.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
It into your dog into the vet to get put down?

Speaker 19 (58:17):
Cake, Yeah, yeah, And I've been told even by my
vet to sleep on it for the night, and I went,
I can't, I can't look at us.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Yeah, yeah, don't look up. I will thank you for
showing your story, Kate.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Excruciating decision, but the right thing to do, absolutely, you
know it is it's you know, it's a sad thing,
isn't it, Kate. They're particularly with the older dogs that
get rescued. Some of them can be helped and some
of them just can't be, you know, whatever's going on
in their brain, aggressive wise, sadly sometimes just can't be
can never be sorted out. And the kindest thing to
do is to do what you did.

Speaker 19 (58:48):
Yeah. I just think people need to take a bit
more responsibility. They are animals. They can do damage. My
little puppy willing to nap. Now we need to take responsibility.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
And what kind of dog was was your dog, Kate?
If you don't mind me asking, she.

Speaker 19 (59:03):
Was the hinds. She was a hindes, you know, she
was a mixture.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Oh yeah, I had a rot biler.

Speaker 19 (59:09):
I've had a big French Masterif no trouble with them.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Kate, thank you very much for giving us a phone call.
Really appreciate it. Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten
eighties a number call. Couple of teach coming through A
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Speaker 2 (59:22):
Lads, I take a seven iron when I walk my dog.
After our local council let two dogs go home after
killing six sheep. Council said owners have upgraded their fences.
That's no help to me or my dog if they
get back out now they have a taste for blood.
You're walking around with a seven iron. Sorry, I said
it was a nine iron.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Okay, right, Yeah, big difference, big difference.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Yeah, I mean it's more distance. Yeah. It's a lot
carrying a seven iron around, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Yeah, I mean I suppose if anyone pulls you up,
just so, I'm just going for a bit of a
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Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Adam, thank you very much, Ray Lean. It is twenty
four to three.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
So it's been an amazing chat. Actually so incredibly stories,
some incredible stories and tragic stories and look, a dog
well trained, looked after and kept is no danger to anyone,
right yea. But if you know that your dog is
dangerous and you see things that suggest that your dog
is dangerous or as attack someone before, and you do

(01:01:35):
nothing about it and it attacks someone, then there should
be serious consequences for you as the owner. If it
kills someone, then surely that's at least manslaughter. Well it
is in my eyes. And look, some people have dogs
because they think the dogs make them look tough, yep,
and they have dogs because they're mean. And so if

(01:01:59):
you have a dog because it makes you look tough
and because you think the dogs are mean, and then
the dogs do something terrible, then that is there should
be severe consequences on you, because that's not the dog's fault.
You've created a monster.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Yeah. Absolutely, I think a lot of people would agree
with that, and we will see whether Shane Jones follows
through on increasing the severity of those punishments for those
bad dog owners. Great discussion, Thank you to everyone who
called in text on that. Let's get into this one.
New Zealand's first National Infrastructure Plan was released yesterday, so
it laid out a roadmap for infrastructure for the next
thirty years. But one suggestion in particular has riled up

(01:02:37):
a lot of people. That is the suggestion of a
nine dollar toll to cross the dirty old Harbor Bridge.
So this is in addition to the long awaited we
don't know when it's going to happen Whye to Matar
Harbor crossing. So the commission recommended tolling the existing bridge
as well, a double whammy. And you got to ask
a question why. I mean, the answer is pretty obvious

(01:02:58):
is because they want they want more cash. If they
were only going to toll one bridge, that would leave
them seven to nine billion dollars short, depending on how
long the toll was in place.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
You can't aren't And look, this hasn't been implemented yet.
This is just a suggestion, But I can't believe anyone
would even suggest that this. You're tolling one bridge to
build another bridge. We've already that toll stopped in eighty four.
That bridge has.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
Already been told yep, we're paid our dues.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
You know it's it's it's you can't retoll a bridge
for another bridge. It's like your Netflix account, you know,
you get that you get that free trial, and then
now the free trial's over and we're going to start
charging for that bridge again. Yeah, it's ridiculous. That bridge
has got nothing to do with the other bridge. How
can you suggest these kind of things. I think that

(01:03:44):
it's it's like, if the other crossing is worth doing,
then toll that and it will pay for itself. Because
if there's an advantage for people using it, it's just
like any other business situation. So if it's so great,
people will be happy to pay for it. But if
it's not great, then people will use the other bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Exactly. Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is the numbered
a call. So if we have to charge people to
use the Harbor Bridge and we maybe can't afford it
according to the Infrastructure Commission, I mean, do we really
need the bridge or are they going to make it
so kick ass that people will be happy to pay
that nine bucks each way?

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Well, David says, if we got to the point where
we're even thinking about adding a tollback onto the Harbor Bridge,
then it's time to get real serious about just what
other things we're funding. How would the rest of New
Zealand feel about getting a toll to use their local
road that's currently sealed and bridged courtesy of the tax
player for a handful of traffic it serves each day.
The Harbor Bridge is a key part of New Zealand's growth.

(01:04:44):
If they told the old one, then I'm calling for
a local tax revolt.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Yeah. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. That is
the feeling a lot of people coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
New Clowns says this text, John, The bridge and Intender
Bridge are not competitive businesses. One is a dangerously aged,
potential catastrophe piece of infrastructure, catastrophic piece of infrastructure. The
other is replacement, not a compliment. The proposal of a
nine to the toll will never fly. Clowns make me smile,
even laugh. Thank you for this shows laugh. Okay, John,

(01:05:14):
will you sound insane at the end of it, but
we do also appreciate your text.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Yeah, we're glad you've got to laugh out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Well, I mean, they're not talking about decommissioning the bridge though, No,
they're they're talking about having two.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Courages yep or crossings yep, and doing the double toll
to try and pay for this new fancy bridge that
hope wow, maybe not hopefully, will it happen in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
But I think so one is a dangerously aged, potentially
catastrophic piece of infrastructure. The other is a replacement. No,
they're not saying that. You're not saying that it's a replacement.
They're saying it's additional to it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Yeah, what do you say though, Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Nine two
ninety two is the text? It is nineteen to three.

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Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Good afternoon, due sixteen to three. So we're talking about
US congestion. In the National Infrastructure Plan release yesterday that
the Infrastructure Commission suggested a nine dollar told across the
Harbor Bridge. This is an addition to tolling the long
awaited White a Matar Harbor crossing. So if we have
to charge people to use the Harbor Bridge because we
can't afford the new one, do we actually need that
new bridge?

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
The six is are you insane? It's got nothing to
do with Netflix. Oh no, I was just using that
as analogy. It's like Netflix, the free trail is ended
as all. I was saying. Yeah, so you've charged a
toll up into nineteen eighty four, and then you stopped
for thirty nine years and forty years, and you do
it again. You can't do that. No, the tolling's over.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
That's a double dipping, maybe even a triple dipping. There's
a few people asking why are nine dollars this text
here here? Yeah, get our guys, how did they come
up with a nine dollar figure? Well, the information is
actually in the document, so back when it was told
back in nineteen to fifty nine, it was two shillings
and sixpence, so taking into a can inflation, that is

(01:07:06):
nine bucks in today's dollars. So they kind of want
to have it the same as it was back in
nineteen fifty nine. But whether that's fair or not, I
mean that it's the question. Oh, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
The cenxuses toll the crap out of the Auckland Bridge.
You want to live there and drive over the bridge
all day.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Long, suck it up, get in thereby, Well, you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Can say that about anything, can't you. You know, if
you want to drive down your street, suck it up,
toll all of it. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 13 (01:07:37):
Gooday, hands the growing guys.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Yeah, good mate? What do you reckon?

Speaker 14 (01:07:40):
Okay?

Speaker 13 (01:07:40):
I want you, I want you to step back and
each you look at this. If you live on the
North Shore, do you have access to a train?

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
Good question? I imagine no you don't, do you?

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
What train?

Speaker 13 (01:07:53):
So nixt So this year the council is going to
increase the rates for everyone.

Speaker 12 (01:07:58):
In Auckland.

Speaker 13 (01:08:01):
For train that you're not going to use because of
the of the central et cetera. So it seems like
a bit of a bit of a double up here. Secondly,
when you're caravel North, you've got to go for a
toll to go for Tonson's tunnel creek. Now that that
tunnels are a lot smaller than the big one of the
built around by the airport. So if you're going to
have a discussion on tolls, then let's start tolling that

(01:08:24):
tunnel as well, because obviously that takes congestion, and then
reduce the toll on the bridge. Let's have a balanced
discussion around it because I think looking at something in
isolation as a poor view.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Yeah, it's interesting. So you're talking about the City rail
Link for example, and.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
The City rail Link.

Speaker 13 (01:08:42):
Everyone in the north Shore it's going to get it
has to pay pay for something they're not using creek.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Yeah, and not only that, Like so this it's cost
an insane amount to build it, right, roughly pushing six
billion dollars. But then just to run it, even if
everything's going perfectly, it's over two hundred million dollars a
year just to run the thing. That's crazy.

Speaker 13 (01:09:04):
So if you want to have a balance view, then okay,
maybe workand Council. You don't put the rates up on
the north Shore nine percent. You take a toll on
the bridge instead, and it doesn't Let's be honest. You
know politicians, you know, once they see the money, you
know they're's going to go for it. So if we're
going to have discussion on tolls, let's toll the tunnel

(01:09:26):
tunnel that goes out from the northwest out of the airport.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
What have you tunnel because that's a beautiful tunnel, a
beautiful piece of.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
Instructure it is. Yeah, and that's a fair points.

Speaker 13 (01:09:35):
Present because it's the biggest piece of infrastructure we've ever had.
Why was it never told in the beginning?

Speaker 12 (01:09:40):
I don't understand that, but.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
I think I think part of the problem now is
that at one point we were in a position as
a country to potentially borrow for infrastructure projects. But due
to the that what happened around the expenditure around COVID
and just afterwards, we are no longer in a position
where we can borrow for productivity. Really, I think that's
kind of where we're at right.

Speaker 13 (01:10:04):
Yes, and and and we've got this amazing motorways that
are coming up. And if we're gonna have a truthful conversation,
you know that a massive expressway there's been felt for
the White Shadow. Why shouldn't that be told as well?

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Yeah, just thinking about this, if the if the city
rail link is so awesome and so convenient for people,
why don't they charge fears such that it they don't
have to spend two hundred million dollars a year running it?
I mean that it should have the if you're running
a train, then the cost of running it is in
the tickets that you sell.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Right, that would make sense. And if you and to
know you're.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Looking at charging people to use a bridge that's already
been charged for and already been paid for. Then you
know what, what would the take be interesting to see
if you actually work that out, what the fear on
to use the city rail link would be? Yeah, would
it be to get into town?

Speaker 5 (01:10:58):
Now?

Speaker 13 (01:10:58):
Then that's thinking about it like this as well. Say
you're taking the bus from the north Shore because you've
got the bus in there with the council, then have
to put up the price of the bus to offset
the toll for the US going over the bridge. Yeah,
where does the star? Where does the stop?

Speaker 12 (01:11:13):
I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
But to me, to me, it's an argument about the
user pays system, And I'll bring in the congestion charges
because it was part of this plan, right, This congestion
charging has been floated and it's likely coming in. So
is that a fear way for a user pays system
that you target people going into work and out of
work and they're going to a place where they're going
to earn money to keep the economy running versus the

(01:11:35):
idea of I mean, people are pissed off about nine
bucks on the Harbour Bridge, fair enough, but how do
we do it? What's a fair way to do it
is it under the ruck system that that goes up
slightly so that everybody pays an equal share, because arguably
someone from Gore might use the Harbor bridge one day.
I mean, it's a complex way on how to pay
for it then, unless the other option is you say,

(01:11:56):
no new Harbor Bridge. Bugger it, we can't afford it.
No new Harbor Bridge.

Speaker 12 (01:12:00):
Yeah, but we're moving.

Speaker 13 (01:12:01):
Remember this government's already signaled that next year that they
or the next year that they remember and then call
back on every vehicle the travels around New Zealand. Yeah,
so then we're I think, of course, of course just
or something. The thing since so we are moving to
use the pay, which will happen within the next cycle.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Yeah, yeah. Part but the thing is we all we
all already use the pay to live in the country
because we're charged insane amount of Texas. Yes, that's my
only problem with user pays. We're already being charged. But
so would you be all right if there was another
crossing and and that had a toll on it? So
they built a new crossing and there was a toll

(01:12:45):
on that one, would you be okay with that? Then?

Speaker 19 (01:12:48):
Well?

Speaker 13 (01:12:49):
Yeah, but I mean we're gonna have to talk about
tolls and about future planning. What about the eastern Eastern
bus route that's just been put in, all those houses
that have been taken out in East et cetera. But
the road, why isn't that being topped?

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
And why don't you set why don't you set the
bus fairs? Why don't you see the bus fares at
a level that pays for the buses.

Speaker 14 (01:13:13):
You know, we were to use those roads.

Speaker 13 (01:13:16):
Yeah, I'm just saying, I'm just saying that it just
seems to be the bridge sing to be an easy target. Yeah,
we know that Auckland was not developed properly. We know
what's a Doug My sid in the fifties and we're
playing ketch up and playing ketchup costs us money. We
know that there was one hundred and fifty million it's
been on a train set that that never happened, and

(01:13:38):
all that land out West Ork and whatever, every Dominion
road and Subspreme boredom, whatever it's happening with that, we
don't know. But the reality has been a lot of
projects in Auckland that have already been done, that have
been funded, that has not been told yet yet they
want to told this one particular piece. So why should
people in the north Shore we shouldn't cur that where

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everyone else is getting benefit around the rest of Auckland.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
Yeah, you make some great points, Lenn, Thank you very much.
Ken on your it's eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
It is totaling the fairest way to pay for the
new things like the new Harbor bridge or you know
what is a fair way? If you want a bridge,
how are we going to pay for it? If you
don't like paying for extra infrastructure, then you just say,
bugger the new bridge. We're happy with this old recordy one.
And if it's a bit wendy, we close it down. Wow, No,

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we need to we need to change that parameter. They'll
close it down. Just don't get me started on that one.
Right back in eight to three.

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coming through about this proposal to toll the Harbor Bridge
at nine bucks a pop.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Yeah, charge people fifty dollars a ride on the buses,
so the buses pay for themselves. Okay, that's interesting. We've
got a lot of texts coming through, a lot of
cours coming through in our one hundred eighty ten eighty.
So we'll continue on with this after three, shall we. Yeah,
absolutely really keen to hear your thoughts. So if we
have to toll for new infrastructure and new roads and
new bridges, do we have to accept that maybe we

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can't afford these things. Love to get your thoughts on that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty nine to nine
two New Sport and we're a fast approaching. You're listening
to Matt and Tyler. Have you ha been a pretty
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Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
The bridge is sweet as just harden up and you know,
put on the radio and bring you bring your parents
when you're on the bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
It's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
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Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
There be seven past three. So we're continuing our discussion
about the suggestion and the release of the National Infrastructure
Plan yesterday of a nine dollar toll to cross the
existing Harbor Bridge. That would be an addition addition rather
to tolling the long awaited White to Matar Harbor crossing.
So the question we'll go for you is if funding
new roads and bridges depends on those tolls, are we

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acknowledging that beyond our means financially?

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Yeah, especially if you think another crossing. You look at
the City Rail Link, which we're talking about before. So
it's you know, people would say more or less, but
I think everyone agree it's gone at least two billion
over budget, right yep. Two billion is a lot the
hell of a lot of money. Can you imagine how
much over budget, A another harbor crossing would go oh god,

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so you're you're tolling the bridge for something that a
may never get finished because unbelievably, the City rail Link
is still not finished. So I mean, how long would
it take to plan and build this other bridge. You'd
be tolling the Harbor Bridge forever and people would never
see it. The people that are getting told would never

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get to go across the other bridge before that one
starts getting told, right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
It is terrifying. I can't think of a single infrastructure project,
massive infrastructure project that has come within budget. You know,
there's a few cases, I mean the Qui Quarter repair,
but in terms of the big shiny new roads or bridges,
they've always massively overblown massively.

Speaker 4 (01:17:42):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
I mean you look at the City rail links. So
it's going to cost two hundred and thirty five million,
between two hundred and twenty and two hundred and thirty
five million dollars to run it once it's started, right,
So there's there's all kinds of you know, once you've
once you finish a project that still cost a lot
to run. What I can't understand with that? And this
is slightly off topic, would have just sprang into my mind.
Isn't that only about one hundred and fifty dollars each one?

(01:18:05):
It's a lot, but one hundred and fifty dollars per
person in Auckland, you know, not per rate payer, yes,
much more per rate power.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
Yeah, it's insane amount of money, it is.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Why is it? Why Why aren't they charging more for
the tickets on the City rail Link, So you'd have
to you need to charge the amount that covers that
two hundred and at least the two and thirty five
million dollars a year it takes to run the trains
or else. What are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
You think so, because that's subsidizing it, right yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
And that's and people say, well maybe people are subsidizing
the bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
Right yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
So but if you if you start tolling the bridge
at at nine the dollars, then you have to start
charging what it costs to run the city rail Link,
and you have to start charging what it costs to
run buses. Yeah, you know, you have to start charging
the passengers.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
Right, So forty bucks to go from Mounting into Newmarket
I be a bit steep, but it makes logical sense.
Otherwise you're just going backwards all the time. Yeah, Bob,
how are you good?

Speaker 7 (01:19:02):
Thank you good?

Speaker 4 (01:19:02):
Good.

Speaker 7 (01:19:03):
I drive a diesel, so I'm paying road user charges anyway.
But why the hell of the motorists getting but hey
picked on? What about all these cycle ways and you've
got all these people on pushbikes. They're getting these multimillion
dollar cycle ways built for them for nothing. So I
feel what should happen is anybody over there just seventeen
riding a pushbike. Their pushbikes should be registered and they

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should help pay for all this because they're just getting
a free ride.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
You know, I know why this, as Bob. It's because
the people in charge have decided that it's morally wrong
to be driving any kind of combustion engine vehicle, and
it's morally right to be on a bicycle, a train,
or a bus. Those are the decisions, even though buses
are a lot of them are powered by diesel. But
that's that's why it is because someone.

Speaker 7 (01:19:51):
You're a greenie, you see, you're greeny.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Yeah, well, they've made that decision without talking to us.
They've said that that all their decisions are going to
be based on the idea that it's morally wrong to
be in a car and it's morally right to be
on a bike. That's at the basis of it.

Speaker 7 (01:20:04):
I mean, it costs what three hundred and sixty million
dollars to build a cycle way that goes from Wellington
to for Tony. I mean that's all. And then there's
another cycle away they're building this that's around Eastbourne Mane.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
And when you would charge them to register their bike
to pay for the three hundred and sixty million, one
hundred dollars a year, it's pretty reasonable. I suppose registration
on your bike so've.

Speaker 12 (01:20:26):
Got a plate on.

Speaker 7 (01:20:27):
You can also buddy knock on them when they when
they shoot red lights and go across produced and crossings
when they shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Thanks for you, cool, Bob.

Speaker 14 (01:20:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
I mean, if you're going to tell start tolling things,
you need to start tolling everything. You can't be picking winners.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
It's got to be consistent.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
I get that it's not really your job to tell
us how to get round, it's to facilitate how we
want to get round.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
But why does it keep happening? That's I mean, look,
I know that there's a myriad of different political ideologies
within a council, but it can't be that one sided
that these things keep getting signed off. I mean, I
suspect it's the staff behind the scenes. They bambooz or
a lot of the councilors to say this is needed
and if you don't do it now, the people want
this and it's got to be done today. So they
sign it off and then they realize down the track cheapest,

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that's three hundred million, we've got a stuffed wastewater system.

Speaker 17 (01:21:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
Well, how many people vote in local body elections Tyler?

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
About thirty percent.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
Yeah, yeah, so that's why you get a lot of muppets. Yeah, hey, guys,
there should be no toll. Auckland road users already pay
over five billion on fuel taxes, an Auckland Transport only
spends about a fifth of that on capital work. So
while we subsidize the rest of the country, we're expected
to pay a users charge for a bridge toll. I
don't think that they surely they can't bring this in.

(01:21:36):
It would be two you know, it's just a suggestion
at this point, but they are seriously talking about congestion charges.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
They are yep, that was part of the plan, and
I think Bush Chris Bishop, obviously the minister in charge.
He may repeat references that it will blow your mind
how far behind we are in terms of the money
we need for the infrastructure we've got planned.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
But every time you take money, so you say, well,
we need to get this money with congestion charges, or
we need to get this money with the toll, that
money comes out of the economy. It's money that people
can't spend on something else. So it's not like it
just money. It means that that much gets taken out
of the system.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
Yeah, which brings us back to if we can't afford it,
why are we even talking about a second harbor bridge.
I know people like the idea of it, but if
we can't afford it, just.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Say, nah, that's all right, Yeah, it's all right. It's
not so bad, is it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
If you live on the North Shore, is it that bad?
Is it that bad coming into work in the morning.
It's only I mean it's not all day. It's there's
times of the day when it's busy, in times the
day when it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call. I love to hear your thoughts. If you
are on the shore nine two ninety two is a
text as well.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
If you can't afford nice things, you can't have nice things.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
Back in the mo news talks it'd be sixteen past three.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Few texts on this. As much as I like you guys.
The idea that paying a little extra and user charges
for essential infrastructure with the excuse of not having the
money for it is small minded thinking. His price is
precisely this way of thinking that has held the country
back and is what drives so many key we to leave.
The only thing that we can we truly cannot afford,
is this mindset and ideology that suggests we should not

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or cannot do important things because we're supposedly too small,
too poor, or limited by similar excuses. Yeah, well, okay,
that's cool. Well, then toll everything everything new as our
Texas e before toll new cycle lanes, the city rail link.
Then charge tickets that cover it's completely, cover all it's

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upkeep and everything completely, playgrounds and pay off. It's how
much it costs to build it, the five billion it
cost to build it, So that needs to be incorporated
in because that's a similar thing, isn't it the tickets
to get on the trains as similar as a toll.
So yeah, maybe just just toll everything. Just you got
to do it equally if you're going to if you're
going to do it at all. This text is interesting.
It makes me laugh that you think that you have

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congestion in New Zealand travel overseas. Your congestion is nothing.
Bankrupting yourselves for another crossing is crazy. You don't need it.
You are a depressingly quiet country. You should be ashamed
how little traffic you have, not how much, how long
this person's been in the country before.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
You should be ashamed that you don't have more congestion.
As a great angle, I feel shamed sometimes that we're
not a bit more congested.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
But I had a mate a university was from Malaysia,
and he used to say to me it would say
it was so quiet, Like he just couldn't handle how
quiet it was, and said, there's nothing happening here. And
you're like, you're in Auckland and we're talking about how
busy it is and the rat race in Auckland. The
rest of the country's going, I can't handle living there,
and he's going, it's so quiet, I can't handle it.
There's nothing happening, there's no no one about.

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
It's basically deserted its perspective. Man, oh, one hundred and
eighty ten eighties number to call get Elizabeth.

Speaker 21 (01:24:42):
Hi there boys, listen. I don't know whether you guys
have traveled before, and I think it's already been said.
But you go to the US, or you go to Australia,
you go to Melbourne, Sydney, everything's told. Those tolls aren't
coming off. And that's why they can have the infrastructure
that they do, is that they charge everybody to use
their roads or use their bridges. When you're in the US,

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you get onto this big bridge, you get told when
you enter the bridge, and you get told when you
exit the bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
We've got toll roads in New Zealand, Elizabeth. We're well
well familiar with tolls. It does. But while we're talking about,
is tolling a bridge that exists and was told and
then it was stopped being told for a bridge that
doesn't exist yet, or a cross and it doesn't exist yet.
Do you think that's a good form of tolling.

Speaker 21 (01:25:26):
I think I think if the if the government needs
more money, they have to toll these these bridges again like
towering a harbor bridge that's that's overcrowded now with cars,
and the tolls were taken off. I don't know how
many years ago the transmission gully that should have been told.

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That should be told now. But either are they going
are we going to make it more infrastructure in this
small little country on the other side of the world.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
But do you agree that there? Do you agree that
there is a cost for that? Because people say, oh,
we just told something and then as and then that'll
pay for it. But if you told something, because you're
already taxing people heavily, there's roads us to charge just
et cetera. So you're already doing that. So if you
add more tolls to that, that comes out of the economy.
So that's money people can't spend somewhere else. So there

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is there is a cost for tolling for the economy that.

Speaker 21 (01:26:21):
Comes out of their back pocket.

Speaker 15 (01:26:22):
I know that.

Speaker 21 (01:26:23):
But that's the only way if we want to have
really good roads in New Zealand, that's the only way
to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Well, maybe you would you agree with tolling everything then
like like new cycle waves toll them?

Speaker 17 (01:26:36):
No not?

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Why not? Why not?

Speaker 12 (01:26:40):
Why you can't?

Speaker 21 (01:26:42):
I mean, I mean, can you you want to you
want to charge a little chips drivers.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
I have your little bucket there, set up a week.

Speaker 7 (01:26:50):
Kiosk transition transition.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
Yeah, that's it's a fair point.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
And I see what you're saying though, because you know,
going up north now, there'd be very few people that
would say that that that that toll road going up
north from Auckland hasn't been a success because beautiful road
and it makes things so much better.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
And more productive, right because that's a key part of
the infrastructure for freight coming from Northland and vice versa.
So there's actually the cost benefit analysis I think works
out pretty well there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
But if you're tolling people nine dollars each way across
the Harbor Bridge that has always been already been told
and then across the week, I mean, what is that
eighteen dollars a day, five days a week.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
It's going to be nine dollars the Infrastructure Commission. Yeah, yeah,
that's what they're proposed.

Speaker 21 (01:27:45):
What's it going to be for a truck?

Speaker 8 (01:27:47):
Then?

Speaker 21 (01:27:47):
I wonder that's really really see because it's going to
impact on your groceries. It's going to impact on everything
you buy buy from anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
It's a lot for sure, residents, But do you think, Elizabeth,
there's something in it that we take a breather at
the moment on these new shiny infrastructure projects. And I
know they're running the numbers on productivity gains and the
rest of it, but you look at the likes of
the second Harbor Bridge. Is that something we really desperately
need at the moment or do we need to have
a look at these new roads and think of how
much it cost to maintain what we've got and think

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maybe we don't actually need all these new shiny projects.
Maybe we just need to spend some money on maintaining
what we've got and when the good times come back,
then we can never have another bridge.

Speaker 21 (01:28:27):
Yeah, I still think you still need to toll the
Harbor Bridge if you want a new bridge, otherwise you're
never going to be able to pay for it. And
New Zealand has to put their big girl pants on
now and just say, hey, we need to do something
to get some more money to build these things, otherwise
you're never going to have these things.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
I like big girl plants, I like the sound of
big girl pants, but ninety dollars a week. So this
is for someone that goes across the harbor Bridge and
back ninety dollars a week.

Speaker 5 (01:28:58):
That.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
I mean, no one can afford that. Very few people
can fall that without it affecting without affecting people. But
what about this, Elizabeth, This is this is an analogy
I thought of before, So tell me what's wrong with this.
So I come home from work one day and the
council said that they want to charge me ten dollars
to parker my driveway. And I say, oh, that's great, council.

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What are you are you retiling my driveway? You're making
it better know. They're like, no, that's for a driveway
down the road. Isn't that what you're doing. Some people
are using this harbor bridge and you're saying, well, we're
going to hold you for another harbor bridge. And you're like, well,
I don't want to use the other Harborridge. I want
to use this harbor bridge. Do you see that?

Speaker 4 (01:29:36):
Why?

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
It's a bit weird to toll something for something else.

Speaker 18 (01:29:43):
Yeah, that's a strange way I'm looking at it.

Speaker 21 (01:29:46):
But anyway, I just think if you want a new
harbor bridge, you have to bring back the tolls to
the existing harbor bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
Okay, well, thank if you call Elizabeth. I really appreciate
it was a good chat.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
Yeah, what a great call.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
I pull on my big girl pants and after a
great chat with.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
You, they sound comfy, all right? Taking your number, taking
your calls rather. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
nineteen nine two is the text. It is twenty three
pass three.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty on news Talk ZB very.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
Good afternoon tu twenty six past three. So we're talking
about this proposed nine dollar toll on the existing Harbor
Bridge to pay for than new well potentially new wide
Amutter Harbor Bridge crossing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Yeah, some people saying you'd have to toll the current bridge
otherwise people wouldn't use the new bridge. But I think
the idea that that you're tolling the current bridge in
advance of building the other bridge, yep, which just seems
a little bit weird to me. And if we are
for tolls, and I'm not against them because the Northern
Gateway toll road is fantastic, it's so much better with that.

(01:30:55):
There is another option, though, there is there is another option.
It's just it's a great toll road because it's created
something fantastic. It's made this situation better. But it is
so much better than you don't mind paying for it
because the other option and so terrible, right, yes, yeah, yeah,
And we've got two other toll roads in the country,
so it's not like we're being over told no. But
the question is should you toll something that exists now

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for something else?

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
So I mean if you were tolling the if you
were tolling the Totonga Eastern Link toll road to pay
for the Northern Gateway toll road, then I think people
might be good annoyed.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
Yeah, I mean, I mean this is a fear analogy.
It's kind of like tolling Queen Street because they're gonna,
you know, do up another street just across the road.
It's very similar, right, that's you know, we want to
we want to do some development over on that side
of the city and part now, so we're just going
to toll Queen Street for six months because we need
some cash. Well, it's kind it's kind of same same.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
Well, arguably they do that with the North Shore, right,
so you've got people on the North Shore that are
having to pay for this two hundred and thirty five
million dollars a year upkeep for the city rail link.
When the city RAILINGK doesn't go anywhere new at the
north Shore, I mean the city RAILINGK doesn't go really
anywhere in most places, poor north Shore residence.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
It's great for people to Mountain exactly, Awesome for Kingsland,
keevin Port, not so much. Fantastic the newmarket. Yeah, oh
one ten eighty is another to call love the ear thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
Hi, guys, by the time New Zealand gets around to
building a new bridge, the old one would be falling
into the sea. So yes, we do need another one
and we need to start paying for the new one now,
So yes, toll five dollars nine dollars is too dear.
Thanks for the text, Grege.

Speaker 18 (01:32:31):
Hello boys, great soever always and I love the lady
with a big big boys pants. That's one of our
families saying, so yeah put them on you need them
every now and again.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
She was a fan of the girls pants, which I'm
not sure if they're the same.

Speaker 18 (01:32:50):
We are so in nack in this country because three
years ago we went to Korea with a Korean dreends
and stayed with them and we grove right up to
where they had the Olympics some years ago now, when
they were going to have the Winter Olympics there. Within
two years they built eleven tunnels and they were at
least three kilometers long. We rove through all of them

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to go up the coast. And you know how long
I live in Algis Bay. You know how long it
took to build our little piddy tunnel. I mean, we
really are crazy. We just we just don't get it.
You know, if we have these big progress, maybe have
companies from overseas that they get the money for so

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long they build it. Years ago, the Anks want to
build a Harvard Bridge and take the money for X
amount of years. But we wouldn't. We couldn't see that.
I'm nearly seventy seven, but I mean we are backward
and thinking in so many ways.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
So yeah, well, a public private partnership kind of situation
where they take all the toll for the bridge would
being interesting. Why doesn't it if you keep the other
bridge and so people had a choice of which one
they use, and you'd have to build our bridge that
is or another crossing that's so good that people choose
to use it and pay them money for it. I mean,
that'd be the ideal situation, wouldn't it. But as amazing

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as sorry you go.

Speaker 18 (01:34:14):
The biggest thing is that where save in Northcoat? So
where you going to start this? How the bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
From that's a huge question as.

Speaker 18 (01:34:20):
Well, in an area that diverts traffic. So you've got
some coming from north Cote over the bridge and then
you're in Birkenhead and all that, and then you've got
some of the other side coming out.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
Can you imagine how many billions of dollars and how
long that would take? So the city railway, the city
railing which we're talking about, is three point four to
five kilometers long and only one point six kilometers of
that is underground and that has taken How long have
we How long has that taken? I know it's it's
it's tough to rain to dig through under there.

Speaker 17 (01:34:54):
But the.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
Five and a half billion dollars for one point six
kilometers underground, it's I fear it would have to be
a bridge. If we went under the harbor, then.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
It's going to bank right the country.

Speaker 18 (01:35:10):
In a little box by the envoys. But the biggest
thing is that, really you I don't think you can
kill them or assure people too much because we're an algas.
And I mean we're paying huge rates up here because
we look out over the sea, but we're paying for
the rail and swimming pools. We don't have any of
those things up here. We have to go to Silverdale

(01:35:33):
to get a swimming pool, but it's all on our rates.
So you know, it's kind of imbalanced in lots of ways.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
But it is beautiful over the northern breeches. You're living
the dream over there as well, though we are.

Speaker 18 (01:35:44):
We're boat hege and we look right out at the
moment looking out to great area, little barrier cow out
and yeah, and I think the hubby went out fitting
this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
So no, it's a good life.

Speaker 18 (01:35:59):
I don't know why we have to bloody pay.

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
For so that the city rail link. So that's started
about twenty seventeen, I should look this up, so nearly
ten years, about ten years before it fires up. So
by the time we agree to plan to build the

(01:36:21):
other crossing and work out how to fund it and
then start it, and then the cost overruns and the
delays in building it, because maybe it's just better just
to just suck it up and keep going back and
forth on the Harbor Bridge. We've got right now, and
learn to enjoy our time in the car, bringing your
mum and dad when you drive across the bridge. Do

(01:36:41):
it but work on the phone, keep productive from the
car when you're coming coming across the bridge, and you know,
enjoy listening to the radio fantastic show like many afternoons
on Newstorks. You'd be good for us. You've got air
conditioned cars now they're company to sit in. Just accept
that that your day is a little bit of time
on the bridge. I mean, compared to congestion in other countries,

(01:37:02):
it's nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:37:04):
Do your part, New Zealand. Right, we're taking your calls
O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty so keen to
talk to you about this proposed nine dollars toll on
the Harbor Bridge and to and the new one. Does
it actually make sense to toll the existing Harbor Bridge
to fund this new waya matar fancy Harbor Bridge or
is it crazy town.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
To fund this pie in the sky.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
It is twenty seventy four.

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(01:38:09):
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(01:38:33):
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Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
Thank you very much, Raylan. It is twenty three to four,
so we've been talking about this proposed nine dollars toll
on both the existing Harbor Bridge but also the new
if it ever comes white to Mata Harbor Bridge. So
is that reasonable to toll the existing bridge in order
to pay for a new one oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Plenty of
texts coming through on nine to nine.

Speaker 4 (01:39:01):
Two.

Speaker 3 (01:39:03):
Kidday guys, Takaha and christ Church is classic, built on
time and on budget and they were working twenty four
to seven. We have become a sad lot. Why can't
they do that with all infrastructure projects in New Zealand.
It's a fair point. With the new stadium down in
christ Church, I mean massively blowing out the budget, but
arguably that was because the council couldn't make up its

(01:39:24):
mind and then decided the last minutes Yet we'll spend
seven hundred million bucks instead of two hundred and fifty
million that it was going to cost ten years prior
to that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
But it is beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
It is beautiful and ready to go.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
And the Foo fighters are going to play there. So Matt,
you are right that tolls on the bridge that exist
for one that doesn't isn't fair, And you are right
that we should tell everything if we're going to toll
this and charge on public transfer what it costs to
run it, trains, buses, cycle lanes, et cetera. But in

(01:39:54):
the end, last government borrowed so much that we don't
have any wiggle room anymore, ten billion in interest a
year alone before we even hit the principle. In a
perfect world, yes, we would be able to spend on
our own for structure as a nation. In this world, however,
we will have to punish our most productive with tolls
or we just won't move forward as a country.

Speaker 3 (01:40:16):
I think that articulates it very well. Great text. Yeah, Hayden,
how are you made?

Speaker 4 (01:40:23):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
How's it good?

Speaker 19 (01:40:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:40:26):
I think that nine dollars is pretty steep. I wouldn't
mind paying nine dollars of your earlier caller. John was
there mashing up uahas and pushing poodles in the face.

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
That's pretty rough on the old doggies.

Speaker 17 (01:40:43):
Yeah, I wouldn't mind paying it. You've got to see
him every day.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
Yeah, I still actually have forgotten about that. Cool Hayden.
So he was really worried about the chuawas. That was
the part of this whole dog situation. He was worried about.

Speaker 17 (01:40:57):
Yeah, yeah, and I think you're going to add poodles
onto that as well, don't you. A.

Speaker 3 (01:41:03):
Poodles are pretty you know, poodles are the best of
us something.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
I got a lot of pushback Hayden from my comments
around you shouldn't be scared of poodles, but I need.
I was like, I just in the in the big
scheme of things, the dogs, that you should be worried
about poodles. I just I just don't think you need
to spend a lot of your life worrying about the poodless.

Speaker 3 (01:41:22):
Yeah, you can take down a poodle.

Speaker 17 (01:41:23):
Yeah, but yeah, because then if you had to do
the message be like, we're going to pay nine dollars,
I said, Well, at least we get to see John
with the dogs again.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
Which side of the bridge does John with the Dogs
live on? Though? Is he on the opposite side of
the bridge from you? Aiden?

Speaker 17 (01:41:39):
He's going to be in the middle.

Speaker 3 (01:41:41):
Yeah, it's fair enough if you go in both ways
to see John. Just go about as chihall.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
Pay nine if you've got John and a toll booth
fighting chihuahuas on the way over.

Speaker 3 (01:41:52):
Yeah, it's a good price.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
A bit of struggle with the medicine.

Speaker 3 (01:41:55):
Kiddo, Brian, Hey, how are you?

Speaker 22 (01:41:59):
Yeah good?

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
Thanks Matte doing good. Thanks your thoughts on on this
whole complicated situation. We're sort of talking about.

Speaker 22 (01:42:10):
And and and bridges and all the infrastructure are pretty expensive.
I lived in Hong Kong and in the eighties and nineties,
and and what they did to Hong Kong Island was
was built those tunnels under under harbor tunnels and they
they built the concrete. They built them in sections, just

(01:42:32):
in a little bay around the corner, and then they
floated them around, dropped them in positioned, sealed them up,
pumped the water out. So that was cars and trains
and they've got quite a few of them now. But
it seemed to really I have no idea the cost,
but but it seems like a really cost effective way

(01:42:54):
of doing it. And then you know, there's no no
problem with the with the weather. No problem was shutting
down with the wind. You know, and it's and it's
and it's done and dusted, and you could you know,
you can put multiple multiple channels, and you could have
you could have rail if you want. But it's just
just just a thought, just an option.

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
Are they all told in Hong Kong. Are they bright?

Speaker 4 (01:43:24):
No?

Speaker 22 (01:43:25):
No, I don't think so, right, Okay, I'm pretty I'm
pretty I'm pretty sure they're not. But you know, easy
enough to do like we do on our you know,
on our toll roads.

Speaker 3 (01:43:35):
Yeah, I mean, it doesn't seem that we've we've got
a problem with building big infrastructure projects in this country
that they always blow out or take too long. What
have happened to late penalties for developers and companies that
come in in here and build those things. You know,
a lot you have in the trades. If the if
the chippy hasn't done what he needs to do by
a due date, he's got to pay penalty fees. I'm
just surprised we don't do something like that to make

(01:43:56):
sure they stay on time.

Speaker 22 (01:43:59):
Yeah, exactly. You know, why should why should a developer say,
oh oh the cost of gone up, it's just doubled.

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
What like that? A city rail link for example? How
how many years did that blow out by?

Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
But you know that's because you can just ask for
more money, because I mean, I remember I was interviewing
Chross Hipkins. Well that was you know, when he was
the Prime Minister, and I said, well, when would it
be too much that you just pull out? And so
you're just throwing good money after bad and you said,
we'll never because these these these projects, these massive projects
like this are intergeneration and they need to be done.

(01:44:34):
So if you're starting off with you know, and Chippy
wasn't around when it started, that was that was cross
party support when they started the city rallying. But if
you but if if the thing is, you're going to
do it no matter what it costs, as opposed to
if it was a you know, private public partnership where
you know, as you were saying, penalties start coming in
and the longer they do, they basically go bankrupt. It's

(01:44:57):
a very different approach, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:58):
Yeah, But it works clearly. I mean, you've got to
have the carrot of you've got this job and you're
going to get a lot of money for it. But
the stick if you don't do what you said you're
going to do and on by no time, cough up there,
cough up.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
If you come back and say we're two billion dollars
over and we have some more money, and it's like.

Speaker 3 (01:45:15):
No, exactly. Brian, thank you very much for giving us
a buzz Mate. It is seventeen to four. Back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
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and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons
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Speaker 3 (01:45:34):
That'd be afternoon. It is fourteen to four. So we've
been talking about this proposed nine buck tolling on the
Harbor Bridge to pay for the new one.

Speaker 2 (01:45:42):
Hi, guys, we're getting the toll.

Speaker 4 (01:45:44):
I around.

Speaker 2 (01:45:44):
Are in a small building company, eight guys and we
all drive over the bridge. We all live in different suburbs,
so can't carpool plus tool. So that's one hundred and
sixty per day. Our average job takes six month. That's
around twenty thousand we would have to charge. So that's
a lot to add to your reno and the price
of building is already high. You see, that's exact same thing.
That's exact thing your toll. That doesn't the money doesn't

(01:46:05):
just come from nowhere. Yeah, So like we toll and
then the bridge is paid for. You toll, and then
that money comes out of the system and gets put
on to other people or not spent. In the economy
has an effect on it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
Right across the board. Delivery drivers, for example, where are
they going to put that nine bucks so that crap
you buy off, Timu. It's not going to be so
cheap anymore, is it. We you're nine dollars toll.

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
And that person that's driving to town has had to
pay ninety dollars a week to get there and back.
Isn't buying as many coffees at the cafe in town,
so you're not hiring as many baristas. Yeah, the whole
it has, it has an effect. Don't get me start
on congestion charges. They are pure evil congestion Joseph. But
I actually don't want to open that can of words now.
One day we'll talk about why I think they're so
evil if they ever come in just kicking the same

(01:46:50):
productive people and the nuts over and over again.

Speaker 3 (01:46:52):
Yeah, nine two is the text, Pete, Welcome to the.

Speaker 12 (01:46:55):
Show, gentlemen. Yeah, I think none really likes tolls, don't
we know that? Bridges listened to the talk back last night.
They reconis they've got about twenty five years left them.
They got to basic. The whole has spend a hell
of a lot of money on us. It's coming to
an end that it's life. There's basically twenty twenty five years.
We've got to spend a lot of money on it,
and I reckon. The only way to go is basically

(01:47:17):
a tunnel because structure outside of from engineering background, they're
always russ We've got to continuous painting prew on that
bridge crossing. I'sun fortune to do it underground, and I
reckon with the toll side of it. Shouldney nine dollars?
Just do it one way? Personally, they did charge one way,
not to two ways. It's just straight out criminal parasite.

(01:47:38):
It's wort for these MP's to come up all these
rules now on one hundred and two hundred thousand dollars incomes.
But think of the pool clean and that's all got
to go in the city at night to on do
the cleaning. Just charge in one way. If they want
to go around the long way, they can, but we'll
only charge you one way, which either way they want
to take the nine dollars going one way to the
cost they is they go, will only charge you what's

(01:48:00):
not twice?

Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
What's the what's you know? From an engineering perspective, if
we're if we're tunneling across the white metal, what kind
of what are we going through there? Because when they
did the city rail link, it was incredibly tough to rain,
to be geologically speaking, to go through.

Speaker 12 (01:48:21):
Yeah, we've got to get these engines. Get these people
like from the Italians and the foreigners in here, who's
done it before? They look around a few getting through,
they break out country. They take so long, overrun them
billions of dollars. Did the overseas do what they do
and say, well you at a fair price, you do
do this work and give them twenty years or whatever
they want. They you can have three, you can have

(01:48:43):
the toll fees for whatever. Built a really good contract,
make it there worthwhile in our worthwhile. That bridge has
got to be the tunnel's got to be done on
the bridgebie and if we need a new one, so
we can't avoid that so long you leave it more
than a puss anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:48:58):
Yeah, yeah, go to the Italians and the sixes and
Melbourne tolls. That's mote away network. The price is comparatible.
They function. Why can't we But that's not what we're
talking about. We're not talking about. No one's got a
problem with tolling a road that's built as a toll
road and then you use it if you want. What
we're talking about is this weird suggestion that you toll
a bridge that exists to build a crossing that doesn't exist.

Speaker 3 (01:49:18):
The double dipping. And I don't think anyone does that
around the world. It just doesn't seem like it's got
much logic to it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
If you can work out a system where you toll,
you build a new crossing over the one a metar
and people use it and they're told for it, and
they can choose to use it or not, and the
toll is such that it pays himself, then no one's
got a problem with that because you don't have to
use it if you don't want to use it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:41):
Yep, spot on.

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
You can go over the perfectly good Auckland Harbor Bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:49:45):
Nothing wrong with that one.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
Another twenty five years and that bad boy exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:49:48):
So what it collapses at twenty fifty? Does it?

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
The question is should you toll something that already exists
for something that doesn't?

Speaker 3 (01:49:55):
Yeah. N nine two is the text number. It is
ten minutes to four. We will be back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:50:02):
The big stories, the big issues the big trends and
everything in between. Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons use
talks b U.

Speaker 3 (01:50:11):
S talks b it is seven to four, a few
texts coming through. Get our guys. Toll is fair. User
pays Otherwise a cleaner and inficargo will be paying re
or through his her or tax for a Auckland bridge.
I like this one. You guys are effectively tolling listeners
with all of these ads. Is that pain for Heather's
slot or the next one?

Speaker 2 (01:50:31):
That's true?

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
This is a free service.

Speaker 3 (01:50:34):
It is a free service. You don't have to pay anything.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
Yeah, well you do it. All you do is listen
and then the ads pay for it. Yeap, what a
great model. Look, we need new stuff, so toll away.
We have no money. But tolling one piece of infrastructure
to pay for another one down the track doesn't doesn't
seem fair to me. And if you're gonna toll toll
all kinds of infrastructure, don't go around picking moral winners.

(01:50:59):
We haven't all decided that buses, trains and bikes are
morally superior to cars. So if you're building expensive things
and tolling is the way. We're going to do it.
In told all of Itre you go toll the five
year old on the bike with the training wheels.

Speaker 3 (01:51:14):
Yep, they can afford it. Shake them back.

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
If you're going to shake down the trady going back
across the bridge five times a week.

Speaker 3 (01:51:23):
Our good thank you to everyone who called and text
on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
Coming up on the Heather duplacey Ellen Drive, we have
the Reserve Bank cheer and Brenham. She speaks New Zealand
News TALKSZ'DB for the first time, as she's decided to
hold the o CR at two point twenty five percent,
which surprised nobody.

Speaker 3 (01:51:43):
Looking looking forward to that interview though I haven't heard
too much of it, so looking forward to that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
Yeah, well, thanks so much for listening to the show.
Tyler and I were back live from twelve o'clock tomorrow afternoon.

Speaker 23 (01:51:56):
Why am I playing this song, Tyler mate? A tunnel
of love? Bruce Spriggs scene says you're hoping for some
sort of tunnel of love from Auckland City to north Shore.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
Yeah, tunnel under the wider matar.

Speaker 3 (01:52:10):
I'd pay nine dollars for that, pay a lot more
easily for Nope. Nope, don't say it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
Look your poet.

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
People can read between the lines on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
Keep it clean. It's a great song. Thanks so much
for listening, and talk tomorrow afternoon and give a taste
of Kiwi from us.

Speaker 3 (01:52:26):
All right, I love you.

Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
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