Noninvasive Breast Enhancement

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Well, Doctor Arthur Perry, he's one of the top plastic surgeons.
He's got offices in Manhattan, New Jersey. You know what,
He's been doing the show here on w R for
years and years and years. Very popular show and a
great plastic surgeon. Everybody has questioned on this subject, so
he's the guy to ask.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Doctor Arthur Perry, and the public wants to know.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
That public doesn't get a damn.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
And I went to his office and I said, I said,
look at my face. And he goes, yeah, look at
your face. We're going to do with your fan what
can you do with his face? I go like that,
I said, what I got? I go look at this,
I'm getting old. I said, I'm gonna maybe he can
fix it up a little bit.

Speaker 5 (00:41):
Doctor Oz, are you there, I'm here, Ark, and I
want to get to plagged you. Having worked with you
on a book and numerous other activity.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
You want to talk to Arthur Perry, the best in plastic.

Speaker 5 (00:49):
Surgery and workable knowledge, but also your grace at delivering content,
which is why it's been a blessing to have you
on my show so many times.

Speaker 6 (00:54):
When I was a resident at the University of Chicago,
we had.

Speaker 5 (00:57):
A mean you're smart, as I really really gifted position.
I want to pay you the highest trut I can
give to a surgeon, which is when people come to you,
they don't come for an operation, they come for the opinion.
And that's why I trust you with my friends and relatives.
I didn't realize we were going to get the Michael
Jordan of Plastic Surgeons nine two and zero.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Bows to this guy, and welcome.

Speaker 6 (01:16):
This is Board certified plastic surgeon, doctor Arthur Perry, and
you are listening to What's Your Wrinkle right here on
wo R. We've been on the air for twenty years.
And if this is the very first time you've listened, where.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Have you been?

Speaker 6 (01:29):
We've been here and I hope you're ready with your
questions for me this evening. I'm a Board certified plastic surgeon,
host of the show. We talk about wrinkles on the show.
We talk about jowls on this show. We talk about
small breasts and droopy breasts and fat on the hips,
and maybe you know what chubbs are, that's fat on
the knees. We talk about that too. We talk about

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taking things off of your face to clean up your
your parents and in fact, that's going to be one
of the topics for tonight's show. You can give us
a call eight hundred three two one zero seven ten.
That's the phone number here at WOOR and we are
streaming live around the world on iHeart and we are podcasting,
so if you haven't signed up for the podcast, please

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do that. The podcast is called straight Talk about Cosmetic
Surgery because that's what we give on this show, straight talk.
You know, there's so much hype in this field. I
mean you have to just look on Instagram, look on Facebook,
look up on the internet, and you see so much hype.
It's so hard to really get things straight, isn't it.

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You know, it used to be people would go to
Google and try and get answers, and now now they're
going to AI and trying to get answers, and you
know it, is it accurate. Well, we'll talk about that
maybe if we have some time later in the show,
but today we're going to talk about the quick fall
clean up procedures that you can do very simply look

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much better this fall, we'll talk about that. We're also
going to talk about breast rejuvenation without implant. It's what
you can do to make your breast look better without
having to put a foreign material in your breast. And
we're gonna be giving away bottles of my Daytime.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Daytime is an.

Speaker 6 (03:10):
SPF twenty three zinc oxide containing sunscreen. You know, zinc
oxide is finally catching on. Mine was one of the
very first many years ago, I had a natural block
and daytime, and I have to say that more and
more companies are are making sunscreen with zinc oxide, which
is the safest and the best of all the sunscreen agents.

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So we're giving away bottles tonight to callers. Eight hundred
three to two one zero seven ten. That's the phone
number here at WR. We're broadcasting live from the upper
West side of Manhattan and it's a beautiful evening. You know,
the storms came through. You can see the Hudson River
from where I'm broadcasting. And you know, today was an
interesting day. You know, it's September, it's after Labor Day.

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Earlier today I went up to my fifty first Oh
my god, fifty first high school reunion for the James I.
O'Neal High School in Highland Falls, New York, and saw
some of my friends that I haven't seen for yeah,
fifty one years. You know, it's it's always interesting to
see people you haven't seen and see do we recognize them?
Does everyone look older? Is everyone looking good? You know, sure,

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a lot less hair, maybe a few extra pounds around
the belly. But the group, it was a pretty good
sized group up at West Point, about fifty miles north
of New York City where I grew up, and kind
of went through the town, saw my old house and
my father's office. I met up with my old friends
and some are physicians now. Doctor Paul Chang was there,

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Terry Glad, Jerry Smith, Mary Donner and Frank Gagliar and
so many others, And it was a lot of fun
seeing them. And you know, hopefully we'll do this more
often and maybe maybe they'll listen to the show and
call in. All right, let's let's get to work here.
Eight hundred and three two one zero seven ten. That's
the phone number at wo R so here it is.
You've just baked in the sum in the sun in

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all summer, right, you know you're at the beach.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
You didn't take care of your skin. You said you
were going to use the sunscreen, but did you?

Speaker 6 (05:07):
Last week we talked about actinic keratosis. Those are pre
malignant things. But you know what, so many people You
might not get skin cancers from being in the sun,
although maybe you will, but you certainly get brown, splotchy pigmentation.
And you know what else you get from the sun,
You get rough skin. And how about those skin tags.
I saw a woman this week that had tons that's

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a technical term, tons of skin tags around her eyelids
on her face. She was in for wrinkles. You know,
I did filler and botox on her, but probably hundreds
of those skin tags. How do you get skin tags?
And what can we do? It's one of the simplest
ways to clean up your skin, it really is. Skin

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tags are a result of irritation of the skin, and
it can be irritation from many things. Can be sun,
can be chemical irritants if you expose yourself at work
to different chemicals, fumes and things like that, or it
can be something as simple as wearing a necklace and
having it irritate your neck how many of you have those?

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You know, I do these sessions on people where they'll
come in and I'll snip the skin tags. You know,
not a glamorous thing, but it's such a makes such
a difference in your parents. Imagine putting your makeup on
without having to have, you know, avoid these things dangling
from your eyelids, from your from your face, from your neck.
It's a simple thing. If it's if they're pigmented. Sometimes

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I'll send those to the pathologists to look under the microscope.
Sometimes we get fooled and they're moles, not skin tags.
Sometimes there they are warts warts, you know, verruca they're called.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
But usually they're just skin tags.

Speaker 6 (06:47):
And sometimes I'll remove a few and sometimes hundreds and
sometimes I've even removed as many as four hundred of
these things in one session, and that we can do that,
and it's really life change, it is if you have
to deal with these things. So skin tags one of
the ways you can help your appearance so easily. And
Sebaria caratoses again not too glamorous for the plastic surgeon, right,

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but seberria keratoses. There are those things that grow on
your skin and you look at them and they're raised
and they look like kind of something that you can
just sort of take your fingernail and scoot off your skin,
but they have to be shaved off and once again,
every now and then one of those might be something
other than a sebria caratosis. They did a study at

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the brigam And Women's Hospital in Boston about fifteen years ago,
and it was a really groundbreaking paper that they published.
They looked at tens of thousands of sebaria caratosis that
were sent into the pathology laboratory at the brigam And
Women's Hospital in Boston, one of the Harvard hospitals. I
did a rotation across at the Brigham and Women's when

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I trained at Harvard Medical School. You know, a great hospital,
a great pathologist. But when they looked at these tens
of thousands of severy caratoses, they found, well, a whole
bunch of moles, a whole bunch of skin cancers, and
even a bunch of melanomas.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, so you have to be careful.

Speaker 6 (08:10):
Your dermatologist or plastic surgeon really needs to understand skin
pathology and know when and when not to send And
we always err on the conservative side.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
That means we send to the pathologists.

Speaker 6 (08:22):
Yeah, even if there's one hundred dollars bill, it's worth
it because, Heaven forbid, we remove something that does happen
to be a cancer and you don't know it until
it spreads through your body. Heaven forbid, but it happens,
so we have to be careful.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
All right.

Speaker 6 (08:35):
I'm Board certified plastic surgeon, doctor Arthur Perry, host of
What's Your Wrinkle? Right here on WOUR, host of straight
talk about cosmetic surgery. We're going to take a short break. Noah,
We'll be back after these messages. Did you know that
your skincare may be hurting you more than helping you?

(08:58):
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(09:19):
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WOR every Saturday evening at six pm. You're listening to

(09:52):
What's Your Wrinkle with Doctor Arthur Perry.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
What's your Wrinkle?

Speaker 6 (09:56):
And we are back. I'm board certified plastic surgeon, doctor
Arthur Perry HOS. So what's your for twenty years on
wo R We're gonna have our big twenty year party
in December. No, you have to get the balloons and
the cake and all those in the LiPo suction canula,
the botox. Yeah, that's what we'll do, all right. So
up fall clean up. You know you clean up your yard,

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get ready for the winter. Well you can do it
for your skin also. And it's not just the skin tags.
It's not just the Sebaia caratosies, but how about you
know some of the splotchy pigmentation.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
So one of the easy ways to get rid of.

Speaker 6 (10:29):
That is, if there's only a few little splotches, we
can spot peel.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
You know.

Speaker 6 (10:35):
The dermatologists like to use this freezy stuff. That's a
technical term, of course, you know, cryotherapy. They like to
freeze things off.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
You know.

Speaker 6 (10:43):
Plastic surgeons tend not to do that because freezing tends
to leave a white spot. So I like to actually
numb things up another technical term, and shave off the
things and things to a plastic surgeon, they're called lesions.
That sounds scary, doesn't it, But it's just a name
for what we take off and we look under the

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microscope and we see what it is. So I like
to shave off those severary keratosis as opposed to freezing
them off, because then I know exactly how deep to
go and it lessens the likelihood of a white spot afterwards.
Or we can spot peel if it's a freckle, you know,
freckle when you're a kid, it's an age spot when
you're an adult. We can spot peel those with something

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called TCA trichlor acetic acid, or laser them off. You know.
Laser is just a tool, you know, and just like
a knife is a tool. A scalpel of scissors. Those
are tools that surgeons use, and the laser is one
of those. I use it when it's unique, when it's
better than traditional methods. You know, at the University of
Chicago where I did my plastic surgery residency, it was

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the early days of using lasers, and we had some
of the attendings there that used lasers for every single
surgical procedure. They were trying to make a point that
they could do it, and they marketed it. They marketed
you know, I'm the laser surgeon. I'm the high tech
new guy. Well, it turns out that some of the
laser procedures actually are bloodier and take longer and take

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longer to heal than traditional methods. So I use lasers
when they're unique. So when are they unique? So if
you've got red marks on your face, these senile angioma's
terrible words, right, or these tel injectasia another tough word,
it's those spider veins on your face. You know, you
can get them on your legs, you can get them
on your face. Well, the YAG laser of a particular

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type of laser is really effective for those, and you know,
just zap those and they're gone. It's one of the
few things in plastic surgery where by the time you
walk out, you know, and at the checkout counter, you
look in the mirror and you say, wow, these things
are gone. They are gone, so unlike many other procedures.
When I do all thera that's high energy focused ultrasound,

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you know, that's used to tighten the neck and lift
the gels and lift the brows in a non invasive way,
that's a procedure that takes a couple months to see
the effects. But the YAG laser, that's an instant procedure,
just like filler.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
So I do.

Speaker 6 (13:10):
Wrinkle filler all the time. I'm one of the few
plastic surgeons that actually likes doing filler. You know a
lot of plastic surgeons delegated to their nurses, their physicians assistant.
But you know, there's an art form to it, and
there are so many bad results with filler. I mean,
you only have to walk around the Upper East Side
of Manhattan or Beverly Hills or Miami, or just watch

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a TV program and you'll see these people that have
been literally maimed with filler. With non artistic filler, you know,
it takes two to tango. I think it takes a
patient that says, make my lips enormous, and it takes
a plastic surgeon that says, okay, I'll make you look
like a duck. I don't make people look like ducks.
We want to do it in an artistic way or
creative way and have you look good. You know, if

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someone sees you on the street and says, who did
your filler? I failed, right, you know, we want no
one to know. We just want you to look better.
So filler is one of those procedures. Also, it's a
quick cleanup procedure, you know, for wrinkles and acne scars
and old chicken pox scars. I can take your jawline.
I did a guy this week who's only forty, but

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he was just starting to get jowels, just very early jowls,
and I lined his entire jawline with some filler to
give it that straight effect that looks good in both
women and men. So filler is so useful at last
about a year. It is extremely low risk. It's one
of the nice things that we can do, and you
can go back to work the same day. Yes, yes,

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it could bruise, Yes, you're gonna have to wear makeup.
Men call it cover up. By the way, men don't
say makeup, we say cover up, right, And you know,
you go to Sephora, you buy the really good stuff
like tart or Sicily or one of those things, or
Derma blend and cover things up so that you can
go back to work the very same day. You know,

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you might take one day off. You're having a lot
of a filler. If you're having your lips in many
areas filled, maybe you'll get a little bit of swelling,
but by the next day you really should be able
to go back to work. But everybody bruises a bruise
with my technique. You know that's okay, because the benefit
of my technique, which is called the micro droplet technique,

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where I might inject three or four or five hundred
drops into every little wrinkle and the border of your
red and white on your lip and re establish the
cupid's bow and put those filteral ridges between your nose
and the cupid's bow back and then fill the nasal
abil folds, those are the grooves between the corner of

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the nose and the corner of the mouth, and fill
the marionettelines. They're the worst, right, you know, because if
you look at a fourteen year old, they have nasal
abial folds, but they don't have marionettelines. So those are
really disturbing as you get older. And then of course
the jow so we can minimize. We're not going to
be pulling the jowls up unless I'm doing a facelift
on you, which by the way, I love to do.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
But you know, so many people have filler.

Speaker 6 (16:00):
There's millions of people that had filler last year and
only a few hundred thousand had faceless. So you know,
filler is so popular. And why is that? Well, of
course it is because filler is simple, it is much
less expensive, it is extremely effective, and it is extremely
low risk. Now, when we come back from our break,

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women out there, we are going to talk about the
non invasive breast rejuvenation. Yeah, non invasive, well maybe a
little bit invasive, but no implants. I'm board certified plastic surgeon,
doctor Arthur Perry. Host what's your wrinkle here on wor
eight hundred three two one zero seven to ten. That's
the phone number. Give us a call. We'll be back.
After these words, they say that sixty is the new fifty.

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But while you may feel and act fifty, the mirror
doesn't lie. But that's where plastic surgery comes in. I'm
board certified plastic surgeon, Doctor Arthur Perry, and I love
helping patients look younger and better. If you've got sagging cheeks, jowls,
and that dreaded turkey gobbler, it might be time for
a little nip and a tuck. You look more rested
and yes, younger With my short scar facelift and the

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artistic injection of wrinkle filler or a laser peel, well,
that might be just what it takes to get you
looking as good as you feel. Let's sit down for
an hour consultation in my new Park Avenue office. Together
we'll come up with a plan to help you look
your best. Give me a call at eight three three
Perry MD. That's a three three p E R R
Y M D. Check me out on the web at

(17:37):
Perryplastic Surgery dot com, and don't forget to listen to
me Doctor Arthur Perry, every Saturday evening at six pm.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Right here, I'm wor you're.

Speaker 6 (17:47):
Listening to What's your Wrinkle with Doctor Arthur Perry, What's
Your Wrinkle? And I'm board certified plastic surgeon. Doctor Arthur
Perry hosts of What's Your Wrinkle right here on wor.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
So.

Speaker 6 (17:56):
You know, you have to be really careful when you
side on having plastic surgery right, and you have to
do your homework. You have to find the right surgeon,
someone who's board certified by the American Board of Plastic Surgery.
There are a lot of fake boards out there. Sounds
like fake news, right, you know, fake boards. But you know,
I can go to Albany and I can create the

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Perry Board of Plastic Surgery and say that I'm board
certified by the Perry Board of Plastic Surgery. It means
absolutely nothing. You want it to be the American Board
of Plastic Surgery. That's the real board. And then you
want to find a doctor who trained at a good place,
went to a good medical school, works at an accredited facility,
whether it's an office, surgery center or hospital, uses board
certified antseesiologists. These are the things that kind of stack

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things in your favor so that you have a good result.
You want to see the results of the surgeon and
make sure that that surgeon doesn't have a million malpractice
suits and action against him or her by the state
Board of Medical Examiners or by the Department of Health.
Those are the things you can do to make things,
you know, go in your favor. And but you know,

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when you have surgery, when you make that decision, you
also a lot of people are now going to the Internet,
and then for fifteen years, twenty years, twenty well best
I guess about twenty I've been going to Google doctor
Google to help them decide what they should have. And
now it's AI. So just for fun, just for fun.
Before the show, you know, I put in chat chept,

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which is fun to play with, right, and I said,
you know I'm doing I'm gonna have a procedure. I'm
gonna have a tummy tuck. I'm gonna have ten pounds
of fat suctioned off my belly. I'm gonna have a
breast augmentation and a chemical peel in my face. It's
gonna take my surgeon six hours. That safe to do, now,
you know, if you've listened to me, No, that's not
safe to do in one day. It's not you know,

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But but AI, you know, said, well, if you're healthy.
If your doctor thinks it's a good idea, then it's
probably reason the but be cautious.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
You know that's crazy.

Speaker 6 (20:02):
You can get any answer you want out of AI, right,
So be careful, you know. I remember a few months ago,
I again teased AI, and I said, how many fat
pads are in the lower eyelid?

Speaker 3 (20:14):
And it said two, very.

Speaker 6 (20:15):
Definitively, and I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, Chat,
it's there are three fat pads. And then Chat said
that's correct, there are three fat pads. So you know what,
be careful out there, all right. So women, now, as
you get older, you notice changes in your breast, right,
Some people have small breasts right from puberty. Some people

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have breasts that are larger that then kind of involue
in pregnancy, you know, because the breast tissue increases in
size during pregnancy and it squeezes the fat and we
destroy some of the fat during pregnancy. Plus the skin
stretches out, and you wind up getting a droopy breast
that's often smaller after pregnancy than it was before.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
So you might go to your.

Speaker 6 (21:00):
Plastic surgeon and the plastic surgeon says, well, let's put
an implant in there. And you might say, well, I
don't want something foreign in my breast, which is valid
because all foreign objects have their risks as well as
their benefits. But if you don't have to have an
implant put in your breast, why do that? Why block
mammograms for the rest of your life? Why make breast

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exams more difficult for the rest of your life. Now,
having said that, I love doing breast augmentations when they're correct,
when they're right for the right person. But you know,
let's say you're sixty years old, you really want to
put a breast implant in your breast, blocking breast tissue
during your peak years for breast cancer. You know, I

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do try and dissuade women from doing that, But what
else can we do to make your breast look better?
And a much simpler procedure is a breastlft. A breastlift
is I mean, technically it could be done under local antethesia,
but I think it's a lot safer to just have
general antesesia.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
It's about a two to.

Speaker 6 (21:59):
Three hour procedure, depending on how how large you are,
how big you are, and how healthy you are. But
if you're healthy, the breastlift is such a great procedure.
And is it minimally invasive? You know, how do you
define minimally minimally invasive? Some people say that even if
you put a needle in you, it's not minim minimally invasive, right,

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But it's not a procedure like a breast augmentation. It's
not as risky as a tummy tuck or certainly more
invasive surgery like heart or lung surgery, things like that.
A breast lift is a great procedure to enhance the
appearance of your breast without having to have an implant
put in. Your breast will look larger because the tissue

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that had been spread over your chest wall is now compacted.
And I've said this before in the show, but every
single person, I don't remember a woman that did not
say I wish I had done this sooner. So a
breastlift is really a nice procedure. And can you go
back to work the next day? Yeah, take it easy
one day, but if you have it on a Wednesday,
you can go back to work on Friday. You're not

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going to drive on Friday, but you'll go to work.
You know, you'll have a shirt on, You'll feel okay,
They're not particularly painful procedures. And in fact, I do
not use any narcotics for breast procedures. You know, you
might get one of those new gurnaviics that's that new
painkiller that's a non narcotic if you have a breast
augmentation or tummy tuck. But these are not particularly painful procedures.

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One of the things that I'm doing more of these
days is enhancing the nipples. Isn't it interesting how things
come and go? But now women are kind of interested
in showing a little nipple, right, not not not saying
you're going to show your nipple, but a bulge in
the center of your breast.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
And women want that.

Speaker 6 (23:45):
And one of the easy ways to do it in
the old days, which means a few years ago, we
had to do a fairly fairly big, little minor procedure
to lift up the nipple and cut the breast ducts
and kind of advanceing. It gets a little bit technical,
but it worked. But now we've got filler, and filler
is so great, it really is. You know, we use

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some rest lane or jubaderum or one of those fillers,
and it really almost you hardly feel it. Really you know,
you go nice and slowly and I can make your
nipples kind of as big as you want.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (24:20):
And it's really a very nice way to enhance the
appearance of your breast. And then what about if it's
the summer, the end of the summer now, right, so
you've got those lines, they've crept up again on the
top of your breast, you know, the vertical one in
the center, and then they go like v's at the
top above your above your breasts leading to the clavicles
the collarbone. So those that's the coolest thing now, I

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and it's one of the most effective ways to to
effective uses of all thera, which is high energy focused
ultrasound and it kind of like is iron like, it's
like ironing the top of your chest. And those lines
go away from out a year, maybe a little loner.
Most of my patients do this about once every year,

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once every two years or so. Sometimes I'll even fill
those those if they're really deep wrinkles, I'll fill with
a little wrinkle fill, a little high and neuronic acid
and we'll do that al thera. So that's another way
to enhance the appearance. Because if you like wearing low
cut dresses. If you like wearing shirts that go down
pretty low and you've got lots of wrinkles on your chest,

(25:25):
you might be self conscious. So al thera is a
really nice way to deal with that. Well, there it
is breast enhancements. Some of those things are are truly
non invasive, like filler and like al thera. Yeah, the
breast lift a little bit invasive. It's a surgical procedure,
but it's a one that has extremely low risks. All right,

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