Total Body MRI for detecting early disease.

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everybody does, all women, souse a powdered makeup. But we're not

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going to talk about this today,Okay, Yeah, because we could talk
about that the whole show. Weare gonna I've got a great show planned
for today, Susan. We're gonnatalk about something new in medicine called Preneuvo.
Have you ever heard of that?Is that? All right? Preneuvo
is total body MRI. So thoseof you wh are interested in your total
health stick around because I've got agreat guest from the Perneuvo company and uh,

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and I have some information about myselfto reveal. Susan, because I
had one of these scans. Shelooked at me. She looked at me
like, what is he going toreveal? Okay, nothing, you don't
know already, all right, Sowe're gonna talk about preneuvo in a few
minutes. We're gonna talk about thestupid procedure of the week. Noah loves
these, you know, the thethings that are absolutely idiotic in plastic surgery.

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There's a new one. You foundit on Instagram for me. And
we're gonna talk about dolls eyes.In a few minutes. We're gonna talk
about Barbie, right, yeah,kind of it? Does you know?
Because isn't this the Barbie Weekend?It is? What's it called, uh,
Barbazon Barbenheimer something like that. Yes, we're going to see Oppenheimer tonight,
and you're going to see without methe Barbie Show. Because I'm not

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doctor Arthur Perry, and I amhere in the Hampton's the lovely Hampton's the
closest point of the United States toLondon. Not really, but it is

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beautiful out here today. I'm herewith Susan Warner, my co host.
Susan. You point it out tome on Instagram, this thing about dolls
eyes. Do you remember that onereally took me by surprise. Yes.
I thought it's something you might wantto see about. How to inject your
eyes, your eyelids and your eyesto make doll eyes. Oh okay,
so this is this is a littleweird. So it was a nurse.

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Wasn't even a doctor, wasn't aplastic surgeon. A nurse. Here's what
she said. She's strategically places botoxor botch a line of talks and to
open and widen and brighten the eyes. She's doing this procedure for about two
hundred dollars to make your eyes sparkle. That's what she says. And she
has this little video and she placesbotox all in your eyelids, not in

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the crow's feet area. What she'sdoing is weakening the muscles that close the
eyes so that your eyes stay wideropen. Now, I gotta say this
is one of the dumbest things I'veever seen in medicine, because there's a
reason why you have muscles that closeyour eyes, all right, and you
don't want to mess around with thosemuscles. You want to keep the muscles

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lightning fast. Your eyes are themost well engineered thing. It's it's actually
incredible when you think of how theeyes function and open and close. The
skin is the thinnest in the body, so that you can have lightning fast
reflex itself a piece of glasses comingtowards your eye. By the time it
hits your eyelashes, you'll often getthat reflex to close your eyes so rapidly

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that you don't go blind. Butif you slow that response by putting botox
in there, you don't get thebenefit of millions of years of evolution.
And it's just just amazing to me. You could have dry eye problems,
infections and things like that. Andthis is not even a doctor. I
searched the Internet for a single paperthat validates us. There's nothing but these

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I want to be nice here andI don't want to use mean terminology,
but they're idiots. I'm sorry,I shouldn't say that. Doing procedures like
this with no validation no science,dangerous. Don't have botox injected into your
eyelids to get dolls eyes crazy,crazy, crazy, all right, from
the crazy to the brilliant. Mynext guest is a radiologist. It's doctor

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Sean London. Sean, are youthere? Yes, I am, hey,
doctor party. How are you?Oh great? I want to thank
you. Sean is out and you'rein Seattle, I believe, aren't you.
I'm in California. Okay, wellyou know the West coast. We're
here in the East Coast, butthis is broadcast all over the world,
so I want to thank you.So doctor London is radiologist who is affiliated

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with Preneuvo. That's called that's pre n u Vo. That is a
company that has these incredible MRI machines. First tell us a little about the
company. Then I want to talkabout how I got involved in this.
Go ahead, doctor London. Yeah, So, Pernuvo has been around since

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uh twenty nineteen twenty twenty. Ijoined with them in twenty twenty when they
branched out of Vancouver into into California, and we're basically doing whole body MRI
screening the head down to the feet, looking for early cancer and metabolic disease.
Okay, so so this is socool. So if you if you
think about this, let's go backone hundred years and think about the typical

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history and physical right that that doctorsdid. Then you know, the doctor
might listen to your heart and lungs, feel your belly. Maybe you know,
fifty years ago a few laboratory testslike a blood content, things like
that were added to it. Youknow, if you were born in eighteen
sixty, your life expectancy was thirtynine years. Do you know that,
doctor lu thirty nine? Yeah,yeah, by nineteen forty it was sixty

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one for a man, who wassixty six for a woman. And but
someone born this year, so thekids born this year can expect their average
life expectancy is seventy nine. Iwould have thought maybe even a little a
little more, but I think itwent down with COVID. You know,
it was higher a few years ago, and they average these things in.
But but there's a reason why we'reliving longer now because technology and medicine has

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advanced so far in recent years.But if you think about that, doctor
London, if you go to let'ssay an internist for a physical, the
doctor will still listen to your heartand lungs, feel your belly. Yes,
you'll get your call on oscopy atwhatever age they're telling you this year,
forty whatever. Yes, women willget pap smears and mammograms, but

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that's usually the extent of the examination. And they'll get some laboratory tests.
But you know, as say asa physician, as a radiologist, that
by the time the laboratory tests change, bad things have happened in your body
if you have a cancer, rightexactly. And also you also don't want

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to wait for symptoms. So basicallythink of this as like the physical exam
of the future. When you gosee your doctor, they look at the
outside, they take your blood pressure, they take your blood, but they
can't see inside of you. Sothis is meant to help with that part
of the screening process, the wholepreventative care that we all talk about but
having fully enacted yet. So yourMRI you can scan the body. And

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by the way, there's one ofthese in Manhattan on thirty fourth Street.
And you've got all offices all overthe country, right, And I want
to have a little disclaimer here.You are not a paid guest. I
you're not paying me to be onthis show. However, I did have
the scan and you didn't charge me, and I thank you so that I
could talk about this and because I'mso thrilled with this technology. So full

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disclosure. But you know you're notan advertiser. Love for you to be,
but you know, I'm just reallyintrigued. I've been intrigued by advanced
techniques in looking at health and preventingthings. And my story. My wife
passed away three years ago of avariant cancer. And I think that had

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she had a scan like yours,maybe two three years before she had developed
been diagnosed with a cancer, she'dbe alive now. And I think about
that in all seriousness, and Ithink it's so important to be able to
detect disease before you have symptoms.So I went and I had your scan.
Now, I had your scan abouta week or so ago, and

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I have to say, you know, it's a little scary, right,
you know, because you never knowwhat you're going to find. But the
way I rationalize this is if youdidn't find anything, Doctor Lyndon, then
we're clear, and that's great andI can just go about my business.
For I don't know how many yearsuntil you tell me it's time to get
another one if you did find something, Like the only people that really survive

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I hate to say pancreatic cancers arepeople that find the pancreatic cancers, you
know, just sort of serendipitously.They're looking for something else, Isn't that
right? Absolutely? And I thinkthat's like kind of the general theme with
most cancers is that as soon asyou present with symptoms, it's generally already
progressed outside of that organ and spreadto other parts of the body, which

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is why people actually have symptoms.And then the treatment after that is so
much harder and more intense, andlike chemotherapies, they're really taxing on our
body. So if we can avoidthat, I mean, we're going to
be really making a difference in termsof people's prognosis. Yeah. Yeah,
So while we don't want to findanything, I mean that the goal is

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to have this thing and you togive me a call and say, hey,
you're clean, everything's good, butI look at it is okay.
So let's say you know, Ihave this scan and you find something and
it's really early, like something reallysmall, Heaven forbid, and your pancras
or liver or lungs or something likethat, and then you know, we
go get it treated. You know, my father had lung cancer that was

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found at a very early stage.Fortunately, even though it was big,
it was still hadn't spread and hewas cured of it. So that's what
you want if you are unlucky enoughto have a cancer. Of course,
the third outcome is let's say youhave something that might be something maybe not,
and then you have to get moretests. Right, So those are
the three things that can happen,right, doctor London, Yeah, exactly,

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and there's different ways to think aboutit. Like you said, was
number one is we find something that'ssmall and cancerous and we can get it
out. Then there's the other situation, like you said, was we find
something we're not quite sure, butmaybe we'll just follow it closely to make
sure it doesn't change. And thenthe third is we don't find anything,
but now we have a very valuablebaseline to compare for future exams that you

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get going down, so we cansee subtle changes. Right. Speaking with
doctor Sean London, he is aradio just with Perneuvo, a really interesting
and forward thinking company with offices allaround the United States, including one on
thirty fourth Street, which is whereI went in Manhattan. A beautiful office,
by the way, I gotta tellyou, this is like a spa.

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You know. It's I'm building anew office, and I took a
picture of it just so that mydesigner could see how beautiful your office is.
And you know, it's kind ofnice because you relax when you go
there, and everybody's a little uptight. But if the surroundings are beautiful and
your employees are wonderful, they mademe feel quite quite calm before the scan,
and then then you get into thescan. So I went on thirty

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fourth Street. You go into theMRI, and I watched two television shows
during the MRI. You know,I'm not claustrophobic. We all sometimes people
are, but but you know,there's mirrors, you can see around,
you can you can watch TV.You've got Netflix, I think, uh
there, So you know, Igot into a couple of shows and then
then it's all done. It doesn'thurt, there's no injection, there's no

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adelenium, there's no iv die oranything like that. So the MRI,
now, yours are kind of specialMRIs. Right, Yeah, so we
Basically, we're doing MRI and we'reusing the conventional sequences. But what we're
doing is we're taking the high yieldsequences for each body part and composing those
to a whole body exam so wecan get the most information in the fastest

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amount of time. So currently,our most comprehensive exam takes about fifty three
minutes to scan head to toe.Yeah, and I wanted it to go
sixty because I was watching two thirtyminutes shows and then yeah, I had
to write down the show, soI couldn't finish it. Okay, But
okay, So I had a scanthe total body, and that means the

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brain, the spine, chest,abdomen, pelvis, and all the way
down to my little toes. Right, and I can even see your prostate.
And you were telling me before Ihad to scan how detailed the prostate
exam is, right, Yeah,so it's almost like a modified dedicated prostate
exam. There are a couple ofdifferences, um in terms of if it

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was a diagnostic exam versus our screeningexam, but overall it it does a
great job at detecting prostate cancer,prostate inflammation, and in large prostates,
right. So, so I hadthe whole scan, and and if those
of you listening, by the way, I'm going to give out the number
of pernuvo because it's such an interestingthing and I'm fully supported. And by

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by the way, before I didthis, I talked to my wife's oncologist
and I said, do you thinkthis is a good idea to do this?
And he said, absolutely absolutely,this is a great I do it
and uh. And so that gaveme a lot of strength to go and
uh and and do the scan.So in Manhattan, it's three to twelve
West thirty fourth Street. That's theIt's right in your Penn station, so

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you can come into New York andit's about a block or so from Penn
station. Uh. And the phonenumber, I believe is eight three three
seven seven three sixty eight eighty sixeight three three seven seven three sixty eight
eighty six. All right. SoI went into the scan, had the
scan, and the very next dayI got my results. All right,
So now I can talk about myself. You can't really talk about me,

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but I'll talk about my results.So I had a little something that scared
me because it was a little somethingin my lung and I said, oh,
this is this is just wonderful.But then I went and I got
a CT scan on my chest andit turned out to be nothing. So
there you go. So my scanshowed nothing important, thank god. And
uh and you know, I'm prettyhappy about that. So there you go.

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Doctor. Don't don't tell me anythingdifferent. Here on the right,
I miss something. No, that'sgreat to hear, so m you know,
and kind of how you were talkingbefore that. Sometimes we have to
take it that step further just toprove that it's absolutely nothing like in your
case. Yeah. You know,so many people have these little pulmonary no
especially if you live around Manhattan.So I had some that were being watched

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for years and they're teeny tiny things. And it turns out, I think
as a radiologist, you're the expertat this. I think one in twenty
people have a pulmonary nodule or morethan that. Oh yeah, lots of
us are walking around with tiny littlenodules, like you said, which tend
to be kind of implamatory nodules frombeing exposed to the environment and fungus and
different things like that. Yeah,and the Canadian wildfires that and that's new

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York a couple of weeks ago.Yeah. Yeah, So so I'm real
happy about that. So now ifthe cost of these things, I know
you don't you're a radiologists, youdon't get involved in the cost. But
but you know, listeners are gonnawant You're gonna want to know what this
costs, because I don't think it'scovered by insurance. But there are three
different plans that you you have.You have about about a thousand dollars plan

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where the chest, abdomen, andpelvis is is done, and then you
have about an eighteen hundred if youadd the head. And that was really
very interesting because your your pictures thatyou send reconstruct the images of the arteries
of the brain, so you cansee if there's an aneurysm, which kills

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so many people early. Right,absolutely, And we're not even using contrast
to make those images. It's acertain technique that can subtract out everything and
we can just highlight the major arteriesfeeding the brain looking for aneurisms, because
I would say probably one in fiftyof us are probably walking around with an
aneurysm. Now, does it meanit's actually going to rupture? No,
but it's good to know about andsurveil to make sure it doesn't change.

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Yeah, yeah, you know it. And it's scary, it really is.
It's scary to know this, butit's even scarier to not know it
and then have something happen, right, So you know, knowledge is power,
and you know, I mean,there's all I talked to a lot
of people and they said, ohmy god, don't do that. Don't
get the scam. Don't get thescamp. What do you mean you want

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to know? You want to knowabout these things as a position. You
know, we look at you skin. You look at your skin all the
time. You're not ignoring these brownsplotches on your skin that could be a
melanoma. You see that. Youjust can't see underneath the skin, but
you're a machine can and so youknow, I think it's just fascinating.
I think it's important information. Thethird level of that scan is everything from

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the brain down to the spine,down to the toes, and that's about
twenty five hundred dollars. So youknow it's not nothing. But then again,
uh, what's a dinner, Susan? A dinner in Manhattan? Uh?
These days is you'll spend you know, one hundred dollars a person for
a dinner in Manhattan, for forGod's sakes, right, you know,
you know out in La I knowit's about ten dollars cheaper, so you

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know you have a little less.But but seriously, people don't think twice
about you know, going on acruise or this or that, and yep,
this is incredibly important. How oftendo you think people should get something
like this doctor, doctor London?Yeah, and U Currently there's no established
guideline saying what the act recommendation is, but in general we were thinking around

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two or three years. You know, if there's a lot of findings on
the baseline exam and you want tomake sure they're stable, I would say
a year follow up just to ensureeverything hasn't changed. It's always a good
way to go too. So there'sthere's different ways to go about it,
and you kind of tailor it forthe person getting the scan. Yeah,
and I think this goes hand inhand with an appropriate annual physical examination.

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You know, whether it's one ofthose executive physicals like at the Cleveland clinic
that I went to last year,you can tell them totally paranoid. And
I went to that last year,you know, either something like that or
just having your internist make sure thatyou are getting everything from your eye exam
to your hearing exam to your gynecologicexam, a stress test, and this

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goes right along with it in termsof good care of yourself, exercising,
eating appropriately, and having your everytwo or so every three years Proneuvo.
So doctor Seawan London, I wantto thank you so much for coming on
the show this evening and talking aboutthis technology. It's fascinating. I'm glad
I did it and thank you.Yeah, thank you so much for having

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me. And I'm glad your scamwas all clean. Thank you. And
so if you're interested, the websiteis proneuvo dot com. So I'm going
to spell that out. That's pR E N and as a Nancy you
vo preneuvo dot com unit all theinformation learned about where in the United States.
How many offices are do you have? Now? We have about six

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locations, yeah, and I imaginegrowing because it's so popular. There are
lots of people at the thirty fourthStreet location when I was there, and
you know, it's just so important. So preneuvo dot com. It's three
to twelve West thirty fourth Street inManhattan and the phone number eight three three
seven seven three six eight eight six. Doctor Shawn London, thanks so much

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for being on the show. Ireally appreciate your taking time out of your
l Yeah, thank you, DoctorTerry. Okay, now there's more to
the show. Stay tuned. I'mboard sertified plastic surgeon, doctor Arthur Perry,
sitting here in the Hamptons with SusanWarner, Susan the Great. You
know we said last week, Susanthat you got your MD with you know,

(28:17):
one of these mail order things.But but my diagnoses are usually correct.
She diagnosed an appropriate broken fracture ona friend this week. It's like
she's she's good. So Susan andI will be back after these words eight
hundred three two one zero seven tenas a phone number eight hundred three two
one zero seven ten. We'll beback after these words. These last two

(28:48):
years have aged us terribly, butmasks are coming off and it's time to
get back out there. I'm boardcertified plastic surgeon, doctor Arthur Perry,
and I'm here to help I smoothfarhead wrinkles with botox and creatively use fillers
for wrinkles around the mouth. Filleralso plumps shrunken lips, and filler smooths
the jaw line. It makes yourchin and cheeks more prominent, and along

(29:08):
with lasers and alfa, even improvesupper chess lines and aging hands. And
when it's time, I'm a surgeon, I perform short scar face and necklifts
to help restore your youthful appearance.My offices are in Manhattan on Park in
seventy third and in Somerset, NewJersey. Get me a call at eight
three three Perry MD. That's eightthree three p e R R Y M

(29:30):
D. Let's sit down and comeup with a plan to get you looking
and feeling better. Check me outat www dot Perry Plastic Surgery dot com
and don't forget to listen to meevery Saturday evening at six pm. Right
here on wo R you're listening toWhat's Your Wrinkle with Doctor Arthur Perry.
What's your Wrinkle? Man? Weare back and I'm board sort of by

(29:52):
plastic surgeon doctor Arthur Perry. Thisis What's your Wrinkle? Right here on
wo R. The phone number eighthundred three two one zero seventen eight hundred
three two one zero seven ten.So, Susan, this Friday, I
know you're a very very busy person, but you'll want to listen to me
on the Mark Simone Show. That'sexciting. Yeah, I'm gonna be on
Mark Show Friday the twenty eighth ateleven forty in the morning. How exciting

(30:18):
it is. You know? Ithink Mark is the best interviewer in radio.
And you know a few years agohe used to be opposite me on
that other station, and who wouldlisten to Arthur Perry when Mark Simone was
on. So thank god he's onw o R now and everybody listens to
him every morning. And I'll beon the show this Friday at eleven forty.
So those of you who are verybusy, if you're in the operating

(30:41):
room, if you're anywhere, youhave to stop what you're doing to listen
to Mark Simone eleven forty this Friday. All right. So I did want
to say that we had our openhouse at the Grenite Street Surgical Facility.
Susan. It is stupendous, stupendit really. It's it's a magnificent place
to surgery. It's so beautiful thatthey're actually pitching it to architectural It is

(31:07):
just magnificent, it really is.So it's it's it's substantially done. I
believe we passed like almost all theDepartment of Buildings, Uh, you know
whatever that is for permits, youknow the permits whatever, whatever the terminology.
And now we we go for ouraccreditation, and as soon as we
get our accreditation in a couple ofweeks, we will be operating there.

(31:29):
Because we entertained all of our newsurgeons this week. We had a very
large group. We had about twentyfive thirty different plastic surgeons around Manhattan who
came and looked at the facilities.We have some well known people we won't
announce their names yet, but surgeonsthat you might have seen on TV and
around the country. They'll be comingto operate our facility. It's really spectacular.

(31:52):
So I am so excited about thenew formally known as Tribeca. Now
we we're on street, we're GrennaStreet in uh, it's officially Hudson Square.
We're right, We're about a blockfrom Disney and Google's over there and
everybody. It's just a great neighborhood. And so we've got an affiliation with

(32:12):
hotel. You go up the streets, so you'll have your surgery and stay
at the hotel and we've got nursesto stay with you at night. It
is going to be spectacular. We'realready booking surgery there, so that is
going on. And I also havethe office that you're helping design, Susan.
Ten also going to be incredible,it really is. There's a lot
going on right now. So we'vegot that office on the corner of eighty

(32:36):
fifth and Park and so beautiful,so convenient. People should make their appointments
now to see you this fall.Absolutely, and we're moving. We're moving
the lasers. That's going to bea big event when the lasers and yeah,
it's going from New Jersey. Sorrythe Yeah, they're gonna have a
police escort for the lasers and they'llcome through and they will live of at

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ten twenty one Park having in thecorner of eighty fifth and Park. All
right, So that's what's upcoming verysoon, big changes, and I'm so
excited about it, Susan. Didyou know that it's eyelid season? Why
is this season eyelid season? PrettyNo, No, it's an incredible number

(33:20):
of people they're just everybody's making appointmentsfor eyelid surgery. It's pent up.
You know. It's usually like inthe spring, but right now it's it's
now. It's now, so eyelidsurgery. It's called the blepheroplastic blef from
the is it the Latin word foreyelids and plastic the word meaning to change

(33:40):
the shape of. So here's whathappens. So when you get older,
not you, Susan, but whenpeople get older, when one agents,
yes, they develop a little bitof extra skin all over their body.
It stretches out, and the eyelidskin. Some people have it in their
twenties. But eyelid skin tends toto obstruct vision as you actually age,

(34:04):
and sometimes there's so much extra skinthat the skin sits on your eyelashes and
you blink more than you normally would. So an eyelid lift is what we
do to get rid of the extraskin. But it's not just the skin,
Suson. It's the skin and fat. There's fat around the eyeball.
Do you know why there's fat?You've been listening to the show for all.
She doesn't want to take a stabat that because the eyeball floats in

(34:28):
fat, so it doesn't just siton the bones. It actually is surrounded
by fat, and that protects theeyeball. So above and below and behind
the eyeball is fat. It's avery special type of fat. It does
not grow bigger when you get fat. It doesn't get any smaller when you
lose weight, because this is fatthat is not responsible or responsive rather to

(34:51):
weight loss, this is fat that'sdesigned to protect that all important eyeball because
in nature, if you lost yourvision, you lost life because you eat
be eaten by those lions that arelurking. So you have to have good
vision. So that eyelid fat,the fat that the eyeball sits on,
protects the eye. But it tendsto kind of herniate forward like a hernia,

(35:14):
like a belly hernia or an inguinalhernia, groin hernia when you get
older, because our tissues weaken aswe get older, and that fat can
kind of bulge forward, and it'snot that pretty. And we have a
lot of extra fat. We don'tneed all of it, thankfully, we're
given a lot more than we reallyneed. And as it bulges forward,
it doesn't look pretty, So aneyelid lift. There are four islids.

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A lot of people think you onlyhave two islets, the upper islets,
there's the uppers and the lowers.Makes sense, right, there are four
eyelids, and so we do anupper eyelid lift. It's called the Blacker
plastic by under local anesthesia. Ido this operation. I like it under
local, and the reason I likeit under local is because we choose drugs
that don't make you nauseated. Wechoose things like verse head, which is

(35:58):
like valium, and propofol, whichis that Michael Jackson drug. When given
to you buy a board certified ANAcsiologist, which by the way, we're
going to have only board certified ANAcesiologist at Granite Street. It's extremely safe
and it's a really nice thing becausethose of you have had colonoscopes, which
is I'm sure almost the entire audiencethat I have, because you're all of

(36:21):
that age, because where are mytwenty year olds listening to this show?
Uh? Well they're getting there.But anyway, so when you have a
colon osby, you get that drugand it makes it really simple. So
we remove the upper eyelid skin andremove the fat and make it so that
you're let me see your eyelids.Yes, your makeup doesn't smear. You
can see the cre Oh you haveokay, that problem? Oh okay,

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Well we won't talk about your metasis. Yes, I know tosis, which
is different. By the way,if your lid actually droops and blocks your
vision, that's different. That's afunctional problem. And I will do that
along with an oculoplastic surgeon. Anophthalmologist specializes in functional disorders of the eyelid,
but I do the cosmetic aspect.So I'll remove that extra skin and

(37:06):
the fat of your upper eyelids,and sometimes we'll lift the brow. Also,
where should your brow sit, SusanWarner? Where should it sit?
It should sit at the bony rimor just above it, not halfway up
your forehead like certain X speakers ofthe house. Right, so we won't
mention names. But no, seriously, sometimes plastic surgeons have put eyebrows so

(37:29):
high up that it almost looks comical. We don't want that. My idea
is to make you look average,makes you look normal, make you look
pretty by putting your eyebrows at orjust above the bony rim, not halfway
up your eye, your forehead,and then I remove enough skin so that
you can actually see your eyelid andthe makeup doesn't spear. Now, if

(37:51):
this is done in a man,I actually leave more skin in a man
because the aesthetic ideal in a manis different than a woman. And if
I take as much skin in aman as I take in a woman,
it will feminize the upper eyelids.For a man, it just doesn't look
good. That's interesting, Yeah,So we want to leave a little bit
of skin. We don't want tohave so much skin that it sits on

(38:13):
your eyelashes. But we want toleave a little bit more in a man
and do a much more conservative operationfor the lower lids. It's a little
dicier because the lower lids have someissues with the tear drops. So if
your lower lids are loose, youcan have that basset hout appearance after a
I love my bassets, right,although I did send them out to live

(38:36):
with my son, but we won'ttalk about that. But the lower eyelids
should fit pretty snugly on the eyeball, and if they don't then we can
have issues if we do a lowereyelid lift, so we have to do
it very carefully. We measure thetear drop production. And I did a
blood a plastic last week on awoman who first she had a low tear
drop production, so she went toher ophthalmologist and her off the ball just

(39:00):
gave her medication drops that increased teardrop production and brought it up into the
normal range so that we could safelydo the operation. And we did I
did, we say we meaning me, and she had an uneventful blepheroplastic upper
and lower lids. But sometimes wealso have to do a belt tightening procedure.
Belt tightening procedure is called a canthopexy, another big fancy plastic surgery word.

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But if you envision your lower eyelidslike a pair of pants. If
you've got some creases on your pants, Susan, and you pull your pants
down because you want to straighten outthe crease. If your belt is lose,
what happens your pants fall down,so you tighten your belt. So
with the upper with the lower eyelids, we sometimes have to tighten the belt
and do a canthopexy procedure. Andthat way I can pull on your lower

(39:47):
lids with impunity and much less chanceof getting a pull down of the lid,
which can be a not so nicething. Then you have to have
another procedure. You're relying on dropsand things like that. So I do
these procedures in conjunction with an ophthalmologist. I send all my patients who I'm
doing eyelid surgery on two and ophthomologistbefore the surgery, and they do a

(40:08):
thorough examination of the eyelids of theeyes and make sure that there's no hidden
pathology. And you know, it'sa team approach. And I also send
my patients to an internist before surgery. And a lot of people, you
know, they have surgery and theydon't want to be bothered going to an
internist. They don't want to bebothered going to an ophthalmologists. Well,
you know, and then I'm notyour O, your doctor because I do

(40:30):
this in a safe way. Ido this in a way that I would
want to be treated, and thatmeans making sure you're healthy medically and making
sure your eyes are healthy so thatwhen we do the eyelid surgery, it's
an uneventful day for everybody and wejust make you look better and better.
I'm Board certified plastic surgeon doctor ArthurPerry. We are going to let's take

(40:52):
one phone call before we take ourbreak. We've got Shelley online. Shelly,
what can I do if here?What's your wrinkle? Hi, doctor
Perry? Um talking about left roplasts. Some of I'm an older woman in
the southern part of the United Statesand um, some of us have noticed

(41:13):
that our eyelids are interfering with ourvision. And one of the girls found
a product on the market called Idon't know if I can say the name
on you can go ahead, arebote Bot. It's an invisible eyelid strip.
And some of the girls who areafraid to have the procedure, John

(41:35):
said that if they tried this particularproduct, it's only you know, a
very unpermanent fix afford to lift thelid. You could get an idea what
it would look like if you actuallyhave the surgery. What do you think
of this product? And is ita good idea? Well, it's non
surgical. Uh, these are thereare all these things you can find on

(41:57):
Amazon, these tapes and things thatare sort of, you know, almost
invisible. You have to be veryclever and do it very carefully, otherwise
people will look at your eyelids andsee this little piece of tape. But
sure that you know, there's nothingbad about it. It just gets the
eyelid skin off. So let's sayyou've got coronary artery disease and you cannot
be cleared by your internist for ablaproplastica cosmetic blafferroplasty. Or let's even say

(42:22):
you've got coronary artery disease and somuch extra skin that it's obstructing your vision.
Well, that's a great solution,you know, use the little tapes
and and get the skin off ofyour eyelids so that you can you can
see clearly. So you know,nothing wrong with that. There's no downside
to it other than the fact thatthe adhesive on some of these tapes,
if you put it on and offevery day, it can begin to irritate

(42:45):
the skin of it. That's theonly downside. But of course it's not
a real substitute for a bladproplasty.If you're fifty five years old, I
don't think you're gonna be. Andlet's say you're new on the dating scene
and you're you're going on you know, bumble or Susan is looking at me
or one of those things. Andyou know someone uh you know when I'm

(43:08):
talking about someone gets really close toyou and sees your eyelids. You might
feel self conscious with pieces of tape, but you know, if you're if
you're just going about your business,going to the grocery store and going going
out, nothing at all wrong withthat, okay, But dostri perry.
In other words, if somebody hascoronary artery disease and can't have general anesthesia

(43:30):
for safety precautions, you can't.You can't do this procedure with a local
numb the face. An eyelid liftis a procedure that I do under intravenous
sedation. But in order for someoneto have it, they can have coronary
artery disease, but they need topass a stress test, because surgery itself
is a stress test to you,and it's an uncontrolled stress test. Even

(43:53):
an eyelid lift where we inject lighta cane with epinepher and two drugs that
can affect the heart. Small allamounts, but we don't want to play
games when it's for cosmetic reasons,so we want to be very careful.
And I would send you to acardiologist. The cardiologist has to clear you
unconditionally for surgery if if I'm goingto operate on you, and if not,

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Remember, no one ever died ofobstructing of extra skin of the upper
eyelids, you know. No oneever died of gewels, you know,
So we want to be very safeand very careful. There are plastic surgeons
that accept all sorts of risks andsay, well, if you're willing to
accept that risk, I'm willing todo the surgery. I don't work that
way, and I don't think plasticsurgeons should do that. We need to

(44:37):
treat you like members of our family, whether they like them or not.
And we want to treat you likelike someone with respect and not just take
your money and do surgery on youjust because you have an open wallet.
You have to be very careful ofdoctors like that. Okay, I hear
I hear you. So. Inother words, so if somebody wanted to

(45:00):
have a Barbie Dolls surgery, likedit talking about to look like one of
the Barbie dolls, and what isit a special Barbie plastic sturge reach package
deal, you don't recommend it withouta stress test. That's right, if
you want to look like Barbie,first of all, you're not my patient.

(45:21):
But the person who wants to looklike Barbie, I would turn you
down. I'm not that guy that'sgoing to spend We talked last week on
the show the plastic surgeon that hasone hundred and twenty thousand dollars procedure to
make you look like Barbie. Ithink if you want to look like Barbie,
probably spend that money. I'm sorryto say this on a psychiatrust or
just pink clothes or pink clothes,they're very good. All right, thank

(45:43):
you so much for the call,Shelley. I'm board sort of on plastic
surgeon, doctor Arthur Perry. Thisis what's your wrinkle? Right here on
wore the phone number eight hundred threetwo one zero seven ten, eight zero
seven ten. We'll be back afterthese words. What do you want from
your skincare? I know what youwant. You want products that actually do

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These last two years have aged usterribly, but masks are coming off and
it's time to get back out there. I'm board certified plastic surgeon, Doctor
Arthur Perry, and I'm here tohelp I smooth farhead wrinkles with botox and

(47:15):
creatively use fillers for wrinkles around themouth. Filler also plumps, shrunken lips
and fillers, smooths the jaw line, It makes your chin and cheeks more
prominent, and along with lasers andaltera, even improves upper chess lines and
aging hands. And when it's time, I'm a surgeon, I perform short
scar face and necklifts to help restoreyour youthful appearance. My offices are in

(47:37):
Manhattan on Park in seventy third andin Somerset, New Jersey. Get me
a call at eight three three PerryMD. That's eight three three pe r
r y m D. Let's sitdown and come up with a plan to
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Surgery dot com and don't forget tolisten to me every Saturday evening at six

(47:58):
pm. Right here on wo Ryou're listening to What's Your Wrinkle with Doctor
Arthur Perry. What's your Wrinkle?And we are back. This is board
certified plastic certain doctor Arthur Perry,host of What's Your Wrinkle? For a
long time. Susan says, toolong, But no, we're gonna be
here for a while, right Susan, because you love co hosting on Saturday

(48:20):
nights. Yes, and here weare with so many phone calls, so
give me a call. Eight hundredthree two one zero seven ten is the
phone number. Eight hundred three twoone zero seven ten. We were talking
about eyelid surgery a few minutes ago, and I got an email. You
know, I love these people thatthat email me during the show because they
don't want to get on the radio. They don't want to be wrong with

(48:40):
them. Yeah, come on,now, you know, no one knows
who you are unless they know whoyou are, all right, But she
asked me, I won't even sayher name. She's don't say my name.
How long after a bleft for aplastic do you have to stay hidden?
Well, that's a good question.So, Susan, you said you
had some metic eyelids or looked horrible. Well, I didn't do it.

(49:01):
No, you didn't do it.And I was done by an um optamotology
off the oculoplastic surgeon, because youhad a functional eyelid exactly. And I
looked like I got hit by amactruck. Okay, and for how long?
A couple of weeks? Yeah,so that's typical. So, so
eyelids tend to really bruise. Youknow, they bruise even before I actually

(49:24):
do the surgery, just numbing thingsup. They bruise very quickly, and
they bruised for a long time.So you cannot put makeup on your eyelids
for two weeks after an eyelid,I just put sunglasses on and went about
my business. I believe that Idid. Yeah, yeah, you know
what it is? What it is, It is what it is. I'm
not one of those people that believesin hiding it. What's you did it?

(49:45):
That's right? Well, when Idid fill her on you, that's
right, and she walked around withbruises, I said, please, Susan,
either don't give my name out.I have friends who are you know,
humiliated and used tons of makeup anddon't want to go out. I'm
not that person. I did it. There it is. What are you
gonna do? It's gonna look bettersoon, that's right. And you're you're

(50:07):
very secure, You're well, Idon't know about that, but I do
believe that I own it. Idid it. I own it right.
So generally it takes about two weeksafter a facelift, two weeks after a
rhino plastic two weeks pretty much.The rule of thumb is two weeks.
Two weeks for bruising and swelling.To get to the point where you can

(50:27):
show yourself without worrying about people knowingyou've had something done. You'll still have
to have traces of makeup on,but if you are if you don't care,
and I always say, the bestway to get people to stop talking
about your cosmetic surgery is to talkabout your Yeah, because once you say
that, it's like, you know, stop talking about it, right,
I don't really care that you hadyour facelift or your rhino plastic. In

(50:49):
my case too, it was itwas because of an ophthimological problem. And
it's just like I had eye surgery. No one said a word after that.
I had eye surgery. Oh okay, how are you feeling fine?
Yeah, and it was over.Instead, I always say to my students
as well, if you tell thestory, it's always better than leaving it
up to someone's imagination, right,Just tell the story. That's right,
So about two weeks and two weeksyou can put makeup on. So after

(51:10):
surgery, you do have to begentle with the areas operated on, particularly
eyelid surgery, because I use littletiny stitches, and with eyelids, we
only put one layer of stitches,and that means there's nothing in underneath that
dissolves and holds things together like virtuallyall other procedures. So even a facelift,
there are stitches that stay in underneaththe skin. They're they're about three
weeks before they dissolve. A Tommytalk, the stitches stay in six months

(51:36):
before they dissolve, so you know, but in the eyelids, you know,
it's very quick healing skin, butthose stitches are gone. And if
you are rough with your eyelids,if you sleep face down a week after
surgery and you have the stitches takenout five days after surgery, you could
open up the incisions. You do, think I wore my scarf like six
months after I hit the surgery andthat's alwaid to take it off. Yeah.

(51:59):
Yeah, I tell people about threeweeks for a mescara or eyeliner.
After an eyelid lift, your incisionshould be all healed. You know,
eyeliner goes exactly where your incision goeson the lower lid, so that's where
it is. So where you womenpencil eyeline or ipencil, Yes, exactly.

(52:20):
That's why I have a one cohost. Wow, Okay, I've
learned something I would I would thankyou. Okay, So I pencil on
the lower lid. Okay, Rememberthat pencil point is going right where the
incision is. So it's got tobe three weeks healed before you want to
put that. I pencil on thelower lid. Now for your upper lids,

(52:45):
two weeks without ipencil, Okay.The incision is in the normal crease
in the upper lids. So whatwill you look like at two weeks.
It's not going to be at itsend. So if you're happy at two
weeks, you're going to be thrilledat three months. In a year,
it takes a whole year to actuallysee all the healing, all the swelling
going out. And I tell people, swelling goes down over the first few

(53:07):
weeks, but scarring goes up overthe first three months and so and then
from three months to twelve months,scarring improves. And that's with all surgery,
whether it's a tummy talk, whetherit's liposuction, whether it's a facelift,
eyelets, any of the procedures thatI do. It takes time,
and those of you I always say, if you look absolutely perfect when the

(53:28):
bandages come off, let's say yourrhinoplasts, your nose. If it's perfect,
probably it's been overdone because it's goingto be swollen and it's going to
be settling over the course of thenext few months, and it might wind
up being a little too small.If it's if you say, this is
it, I want it to stayjust like this, you know. And
swelling is a funny thing. WhenI do filler on the lips, everybody

(53:52):
says, my lips are huge,and then they go down and they say,
oh, I really think I wantmy lips. Bicker and it over
and over, and some of mypatients call me that night, you put
too much in my lips. No, no, no, no. So
now I tell people, I sayit, look, it doesn't happen.
Yeah tonight when you look at yourlips and start swearing at me, that
doctor Perry did not listen to me. He put too much. Even if

(54:14):
I put a needle in your lipsand didn't did not. She's showing a
picture of me of her with afterher surgery, Oh my goodness. But
even if I put a needle inyour lips and did not inject anything.
They would swell like little sausages thatevening after the filler, after the needle
was in, So it takes acouple days for it to settle down.

(54:36):
It takes a couple maybe a weekor two weeks for all the bruising to
go away. But that's why makeupwas invented for plastic surgeons to be able
to get you out. And oneof the great things about COVID is that
it's still socially acceptable to wear thosemasks. So when you go out at
night, you can wear that maskand hide things. So, yeah,

(54:58):
it does take a while. Youhave to have patience. So if you're
going to have surgery, please don'tcall the plastic surgeon the night after surgery
and tell the plastic surgeon that you'reswallen. Of course you're going to be
Hopefully that doesn't happen because of theeducation that the plastic surgeon has provided,
or I know it begins to wavehis hands. Even one hundred miles away
in Manhattan, I can see himwaving. The shows about to come to

(55:19):
an end, so you know,we'll be back here next week at six
o'clock. And Susan gave me alook like now, Susan's not going to
be back. You know, wemight be a prerecorded show next week.
We'll see because I think something's something'splanned for us. But there'll be a
new show for you to listen to. And I want you to know that
you can go to my website PerryPlastic Surgery dot com. Susan, what's

(55:40):
your website, Susan Swarner dot comand you can see my book, preorder
my podcast, my writing okay,and visit her website. Visit my website
and if you're interested in the productsthen I talk about on the show,
the clean Time, the Nighttime,Daytime, soft Time, and Perry Time.
No that's not one. Then youcan go to doctor Perry's dot com.

(56:01):
That's E R. P. Rrys dot com and you can order
the products and have them sent.You can also go on Amazon dot com
because we are increasing our presence onAmazon. Over the next few weeks,
you'll see a new store on Amazon, so you'll be able to buy the
products on Amazon. Noah, thanksso much for great engineering. It's been

(56:22):
a true pleasure. Susan. Thankyou for your co hosting. We're going
to see everybody next week. Byebye Now. The proceeding was a paid
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