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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Well Doctor Arthur Perry, he's one of the top plastic surgeons.
He's got offices in Manhattan, New Jersey. You know what,
He's been doing the show here on w R for
years and years and years. Very popular show and a
great plastic surgeon. Everybody has questions on this subject, so
he's the guy to ask.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Doctor Arthur Perry, and the public wants to know.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
The public doesn't give a damn.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
And I went to his office and I said, I said,
look at my face.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
He goes, yeah, look at your face.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
We're going to do with your fan. What can you
do with his face? I go like that, I swear
to God, I go and look at this. I'm getting old.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I said, I want to maybe get fix it up
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Doctor Oz, are you there, I'm here Ark, and I
want to get a plugged you. Having worked with you
and a balk and numerous other activities, you want to talk.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
To Arthur Perry, the best in plastic surgery.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Remarkable knowledge, but also your grace at delivery content, which
is why it's been a blessing to have you on
my show so many times.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
When I was a resident at the University of Chicago,
we had a media smart as.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
I really really gift this position. I want to pay
you the highest true I can give to a surgeon,
which is when people come to you, they don't come
for an operation, they come for an opinion. And that's
why I trust you with my friends and relatives. I
didn't realize we were going to get the Michael Jordan
of Plastic Surgeons nine two and zero.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Bows to this guy, and welcome. This is What's Your
Wrinkle right here on WOR. This is straight talk about
cosmetic surgery. That's what we do here on WOR every
Saturday evening. I guess it's evening at six o'clock and
I'm board certified plastic surgeon, doctor Arthur Perry, host of
What's Your Wrinkle for a long long time, and thank
(01:35):
you so much for listening. We've got a great show
scheduled for you tonight. And if this is the very
first time you've listened to this show, you might be wondering,
what is this guy talking about. Well, I'm a plastic surgeon.
I trained at Harvard, Cornell, and the University of Chicago,
and I'm on the faculty of Columbia and of Rutgers
Medical Schools. I helped teach the residents how to become
(01:58):
plastic surgeons. And during the day, my real job is,
you know, I do botox, and I do facelifts and
rhinoplasts and liposuction and tummy tucks and things like that.
That's what I do. And I'm here to help you,
help you kind of wade through all the misinformation out there.
(02:19):
There is so much in this field. I'm a board
certified plastic surgeon. I've written some books on the topic,
and I am here to answer your questions. The phone
number at WOR is eight hundred three two one zero
seven ten. That's eight hundred three to one zero seven ten,
and you have to you'll have to get your calls
in early because we've got a lot to talk about
(02:39):
on this half hour show. That's what it is this year.
We're going to talk today to a very very well
known beauty writer and her name is Valerie Monroe. She'll
be coming on in just a few minutes. She was
Oprah's beauty editor for sixteen years. I'm very happy to
be speaking to her this evening. We are also we're
(03:01):
gonna talk about right in our own backyard. Did you
see what happened? An esthetician was arrested for illegally injecting
boatox and it wasn't even real botox, it was fake botox.
We're gonna talk a little bit about that tonight. And boy,
I'll say you usually you hear about these things in
North Carolina or Florida, not in New York, right, But
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this is in Hell's Kitchen, just a few blocks from here,
and I'll tell you it's not a good story, and
you'll want to stay safe. You'll want to not not
have fake botox injected, that's for sure. So we're gonna
talk about that. We're also, if we have a little time,
let's finish up our discussion of the spring weddings that
we started last week. We talked about the procedures that
(03:45):
you can do really you know now now depending on
when your wedding is. If your wedding is a month
from now or two months or three months or six months, well,
you know there's there's time to do everything. But you
need to plan. You need to plan ahead, So we're
gonna talk about that, and we've got a studio audience here.
(04:06):
We've got little Madeline, she's not even two years old
and she's listening to the radio show. We've got Winston
and Susan. Susan who's not going to be on the
air tonight, but she's here in spirit, right Susan. Sure, well,
we want her back as the co host, but she's
busy tonight with with Madeline. All right, so today we're
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gonna talk. Let's start out with this story because it
was really disturbing. We all read about it in the newspapers.
They still have newspapers, right, The New York City esthetician
was charged with injecting fake botox. Seven hundred people got
this fake stuff. Now, now, how could this possibly possibly be?
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This is Joey Luther, He's fifty four years old, and
you know, I'm just reporting this from the paper. I
certainly don't have first hand information, but it's all over
the press. There was a raid on his business and
apparently had records of seven hundred people getting botox, and
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some people got sick, some people got you know, these
bochelism like symptoms. And while botox cannot give you botulism.
You know, that's food poisoning because there's no live bacteria.
If you get a two high dose of the botox
or the fake botox, it can cause muscle weakness throughout
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your body. And that's what happened to some people. People
were getting sick, they were reporting strange symptoms, being diagnosed
with the symptoms of bochulism. So he was arrested. He's
out on one hundred thousand dollars a bail. Now it's
amazing to me. You know how people can go to
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someone who is not qualified. So that's what this show
is all about. You know, you listen to the show
for twenty years, you know that you should be going
to a Board certified plastic surgeon, or a board's certified dermatologists,
or a Board certified odo laryngologist who has done specialized
training and facial plastic surgery, or more an ophthalmologist that
has become an oculoplastic surgeon. Those are the four types
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of doctors that legitimately should be and can professionally inject botox.
Now here's the thing. Every doctor has the license to
inject it. You can, that doesn't mean it's right I
don't call myself a cardiac surgeon. I don't call myself
a gastro enterologist. I call myself a plastic surgeon because
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my training is in plastic surgery. That's what I do,
and that's what you should be going to if you
are going to have botox, and stay away from the
non professional, stay away from the storefront places not so good.
I got an ad in my email just today, some
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marketing person. She's not an esthetician, she's not a medical person.
She will put an injecture in your office and guarantee
profits profit. It's crazy what's going on out there. It
is a wild while west of injectable. So be careful
out there. We're gonna take a break now, Noah, and
then when we come back, we've got a great interview
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interview schedule with Val Munro. I'm board certified plastic surgeon,
doctor Arthur Perry. Stay tuned, we'll be right back. Did
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to listen to my radio show right here on WOR.
Every Saturday evening at six pm. You're listening to What's
Your Wrinkle with Doctor Arthur Perry.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
What's Your Wrinkle?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
And we are back. This is Ford sortified plastic surgeon,
doctor Arthur Perry, host of What's Your Wrinkle for a
long long time right here on WOR. And way back,
if we go all the way back to two thousand
and seven, I was interviewed by Valmuro. At the time,
she was the beauty editor of Oprah magazine and it
(08:54):
was right after my straight talk about cosmetic surgery book
came out, and I've been wanting to get her back
to interview her on my show forever, so I've got
her to night. Valerie. Are you there, Hi, Arthur, how
are you? I? I am great, Thanks so much for
taking time on your Saturday evening. Now let me do
a little bit of an introduction. Sixteen years you were
(09:16):
beauty director at oh, the Oprah magazine, right, you've been
at other magazines before that. You have become one of
the foremost beauty experts in the United States and around
the world, talking about beauty and kind of being the
interface between the public and estheticians and plastic surgeons. And
(09:38):
it's really quite remarkable what you've done. So thank you
for coming on this evening.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Thank you for that very generous introduction.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Well, well it's true, it is true. So but let's
go back now. So you were a journalist first, How
did you wind up getting into the beauty genre?
Speaker 4 (09:58):
So I had I had absolutely no interest and beauty
except for you know, cultivating my own until the editor
at the recently launched the Oprah magazine called me and
asked whether I'd be interested in contributing to the magazine,
and I didn't write beauty, you know, as a specialty,
but they needed some beauty features, and so I wrote
(10:20):
a couple of beauty stories. But at some point they
realized that they were going to need somebody to handle
all the beauty editorial, because beauty is the beauty editorial
is the one thing that brings it a lot of
advertising to a magazine. It's how magazines used to particularly
women's magazines, used to survive. And Oprah didn't want to
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do beauty the way women's magazines had traditionally historically handled it,
which is by making readers feel terrible about themselves, so
they would come back month after months to learn how
to be fixed. So they're looking for a way to
figure out how to approach beauty in a fresh, more
innovative way. And we came upon the idea that we,
(11:05):
because I knew very little about the beauty industry, that
we would help readers understand how it worked by learning
along with me. So I took the job as beauty
director and very quickly had to learn what the beauty
industry was like and what the you know, what the
exhortations were at the magazine for us to produce editorial
(11:30):
that would be how do I put this? That would
be accepted and maybe even appreciated by the advertising community.
But we were very lucky in that that Oprah was
kind of like the goose that laid the golden egg,
So we weren't beholden to advertisers in a way that
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many women's magazines were. So that gave us a platform
that was very unusual and unique, and we could then,
uh talk to our readers about beauty in a way
that would help them understand how the industry worked, why
they might not feel so great about the way they look.
You know what the consequences are of an industry that
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counts on your yearning for something always to look make
you look better than you than you think you look,
and how that works and how you know how deleterious
that could be to a woman's self esteem, particularly as
we age, which is what I'm interested in now with
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my substec.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Oh okay, whoa, whoa, this is real radio. Wait, we
can't say oh you said that, very cool. We have
to see say the F word. All right, Well, that's okay.
How about slip up, slip up there there? You go
all right, well, tell us you've transitioned from from the
(12:56):
print media to the new media here and you've got
this column now, so all right say that slowly so so,
but don't say this where so people can can actually,
you know, go to that site and and read your work.
What is it again?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
It's called how Not to f Up Your Face? Okay,
and it's at Valeriemnroe dot substack dot com. So it's
the A L E R I E M O N
R O E dot substat dot com.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
And and how do you how do you say not
to f up your face? Valerie?
Speaker 4 (13:31):
How do I say it?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Yeah? Well, how do you? What are the things you
talk about on in the in your in your column? Right?
What do you tell women to do?
Speaker 4 (13:43):
One of the main tenets of my platform is that
I try to get women to understand well, actually this
applies to all of us, but women in particular, I
think are most vulnerable to this. From the time we
look into the mirror and we first recognize that it's
ourselves we're looking at. Girls are taught to manipulate their
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face in some way to make it more pleasing, so
that is, we objectify our face because we want to
be pleasing to. Often it's the male gaze, but you
know whatever, some other gays, some you know gaze that's
on our shoulder. And often it's our own critical self
who is providing the you know, the criticism. And so
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we look in the mirror and we begin to scan
for flaws, and we're if we're not careful, that is,
if we don't learn to be able to see our
face the way we see the faces of the other
people we love, we're always going to feel as if
our face isn't good enough, we're not pretty enough, we're
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getting too old, you know, we're showing manifestations of aging.
And that is very difficult for us in our culture
because there's basically an unrealistic beauty idea that all girls
and women are subject to that has been amplified by
the fictional images we see on the internet. And back
(15:12):
to you know, being able to see yourself without objectification
if you can do this exercise, which is called mirror meditation,
which requires you to look into your own eyes in
a mirror until you can you're aware of feelings coming up,
and if you can look at yourself and allow those
feelings to come up while you're still looking into your
(15:33):
own eyes and you do this exercise regularly. There are
studies that show that that can increase your self esteem,
make you feel happier about. What I say to readers
is it'll make you feel happier about whatever you choose
to do to your face, whether you choose to do
something you know very minor or more invasive. If you
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can see your face as you see the faces of
other people you love, you're going to be much more
forgiving in general about how you look.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah, it is interesting. You know, So women, what age
you say a woman starts using makeup? Now? You you
probably a twelve, thirteen, fourteen? What do you think? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
You know, I just saw this story and I was
maybe Women's Wear or another trade magazine about how department
stores now in their beauty Uh, what do you call that? Like,
the beauty departments are are encouraging younger and younger women
to buy makeup and skincare, and they're calling it. I
(16:38):
think they're probably is something like the alpha. What's the
what's the the youngest group of you know, not the boomers,
and then there's not Gen X or is it Gen ZENA? Yeah,
Alpha generation alpha something or other and and they're trying
to get these young kids. Like in the photo that
(16:59):
have come the story was a child who appeared to
be about eight starting to apply lipgloss or something, you know. So,
I mean, I think it may be getting younger and
younger the age of the kids, that girls are starting
to use makeup and certainly skincare. That's been a huge
issue in the past year or so, when you know,
there were all these preteen girls going into Sephoras and
(17:23):
basically destroying the shelves, you know, and buying skincare that
they didn't need.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Oh boy, yeah, yeah. I mean, look, there's so much
of that. Look In my field in plastic surgery, we
have I turned down people eighteen nineteen years old for botox.
It's it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I do believe in preventive botox, but at an age
that it matters, like maybe thirty or late twenties, you know,
not eighteen or sixteen. It's really incredible that that is
going on. I agree, yeah, but you know, it's interesting.
I don't know if you saw the movie with Pamela Anderson,
(18:02):
The Last Showgirl, where she wasn't wearing makeup in some
of the movie, and that was very interesting, and I
think she did that rereshing it was.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
I didn't I haven't seen that movie yet, but I
did write about her about it might have been almost
a year ago when she went to the shows in
Paris and she made a huge splash by going to
the fashion shows without wearing any makeup. She went bear face,
and she claimed that she said she was doing it
(18:33):
because she was sick and tired of being, you know,
an object basically, and she loved being able to be
the looker rather than the lookie, right, I mean the
looker that is, the person who was looking out and
not being objectified. But one of the one of her
quotes was that she said she she did it because
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she didn't want the She wanted the focus to be
on the beautiful clothes she was wearing, not on her face,
which was just like her mean scam because like two
months later she came out with a skincare line. So
it's I don't really care what the motivation is. I
think it's lovely if you choose not to wear a makeup.
Makeup should be for fun.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Right, yeah, interesting, All right, we're gonna we're gonna switch
gears for a second. Now I'm speaking with Valerie Monroe.
Valerie Monroe has a she writes a column. Now, she
was Oprah's beauty editor for sixteen years, one of the
foremost authorities on the I guess the social aspects of
beauty and plastic surgery in the United States and around
(19:35):
the world. And now the the the website, I guess
the substack. You know these news newsletter h yeah, the
newsletter is how not to fu We'll say it, so
Noah doesn't have to believe it, how not to f
up your face. Uh. And you can read. But if
you look on the internet, you've got articles everywhere and
(19:58):
and interviews. So and I've been reading over the weekend.
Really interesting what you have to say. But let's let's
switch now to plastic surgery, which is what I am
and what I do. But you know, and you've been
an observer and a kind of an interface between the
public and plastic surgery for so long. Now. Now, I
(20:19):
always say beauty is in the behind the eye of
the beholder, right, but certainly you know, women know what
beauty is. But do you think every plastic surgeon understands
what beauty is? Valerie, Yeah, you know, something.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
I thought you were probably a much better person to
answer that question, because I.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Don't.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
I don't think women themselves actually know what beauty is
because I think when women look at their own faces,
they don't see what other people see. Typically, what we
see our flaws. Typically, what we see are the manifestations
of age, particularly we're getting we're you know, over fifty,
and so you know, it's a it's a slippery slope
(21:07):
because when people ask me for recommendations about about who
to see, like what doctor, I basically have no idea
because doctors are so different, plastic surgeons are so and
dermatologists too. So I'm wondering what you think about that.
I do think the Internet has had a terrible effect.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Yeah, you know, it is so interesting because as I've
been in plastic surgery, I started my residency training in
nineteen eighty one at Harvard Medical School, finished my residency
in plastic surgery in nineteen eighty seven, and I have
watched generations of plastic surgeons grow up, and I've watched
(21:47):
them do things that I wonder about. And it started
back in the nineteen eighties when plastic surgeons were putting
giant breast implants in and often it's not the patient
who wanted these, it's the you know, they plastic surgeon
would say to the patient, just leave it to me,
leave it to me. I'll I'll make you look beautiful. Now,
(22:09):
could I ever choose your clothing? Val? Never, of course not,
how can I? Well, okay, well I'll let you. What's that? Noah, okay, yeah, sorry, no, no,
it was in my ear? You know how that is
uh in the industry, But so val the in choosing
(22:34):
like a breast implant, that's it. That's the height of arrogance.
I think I always have let a woman choose her
own size, just like uh, you know, when a plastic
churgion says, I'm gonna put your your eyebrow way up
on your forehead. That's kind of crazy. Also, I think, uh,
it's uh, it's uh. There are plastic surgeons that have
(22:56):
good artistic sense, and then there are plastic surgeons that
make duck clips. And so you know, I've always said,
it's it. We can't assume just because someone has finished
the residency and has uh and has done, you know,
become board certified and sees a lot of patients that
they artists they are artistically uh good that they're creative
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and they create things in a nice way. You know,
you hope so, but you only have to watch the op.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah, I totally agree. And can you imagine, as I'm
sure you can, how confusing and difficult it is for
a consumer of plastic surgery to figure out who to
go to, what she needs, what she even wants, whether
what she wants is even you know, conceivable, or if
it's the right thing for her. I mean, that's why
(23:47):
I think it's such a crap shoot. Basically, you know,
when you're looking for a doctor, is it very hard
to tell unless you look at patients that the that
the doctors worked on, you know what kind of we're
else you're going to get. I even just wrote about
that it's coming out for the Post next week, about
what happens in dermatology, because a friend of mine just
(24:08):
went for a procedure at dermatolic Actually no, it was
a plastics urcheon's office, I take it back, and she
said you should write a hard hitting post on up
selling and how you know doctors are upselling constantly And
in fact, yeah, she was in the chair and discovered that,
you know, the procedure wasn't going to cover everything she
(24:30):
thought it was, and then you know, they tried to
upsell her on a post treatment treatment that was supposed
to make her recovery. I mean, so basically, what I
suggest to readers is that they go in to an
appointment or a consultation armed with as much research as
they can as they can carry, and also as many
(24:52):
questions as they can think of, because.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
The more we're going to have to draw this to close.
This is a half hour show. Unfortunately, I could talk
talk to you for hours, I really could. But I
want to thank you, Valerie Monroe. You've been wonderful, very
gracious on your Saturday evening taking time out. We're gonna
have to take our break now. Noah, thank you for
great engineering. And val let's have you back another time. Okay,
(25:15):
love it.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I would love to thanks.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Okay, great, take care, nice, nice talking to you. All right,
We'll see everybody next week six o'clock. Tune in and
thanks again for great engineering. Bye bye. Now they say
that sixty is the new fifty, but while you may
feel and act fifty, the mirror doesn't lie. But that's
where plastic surgery comes in. I'm board certified plastic surgeon,
(25:38):
doctor Arthur Perry, and I love helping patients look younger
and better. If you've got sagging cheeks, jowls, and that
dreaded turkey gobbler, it might be time for a little
nip and a tuck. You look more rested and yes,
younger With my short scar facelift and the artistic injection
of wrinkle filler or a laser peel, well, that might
be just what it takes to get you looking as
(25:58):
good as you feel. Sit down for an hour consultation
in my new Park Avenue office. Together we'll come up
with a plan to help you look your best. Give
me a call at eight three three Perry MD. That's
a three three p e r R Y M D.
Check me out on the web at Periplasticsurgery dot com,
and don't forget to listen to me doctor Arthur Perry,
every Saturday evening at six pm right here on WOR.
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Well Doctor Arthur Perry, he's one of the top plastic surgeons.
He's got offices in Manhattan, New Jersey. You know what,
He's been doing the show here on w R for
years and years and years. Very popular show and a
great plastic surgeon. Everybody has questions on this subject, so
he's the guy to ask.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Doctor Arthur Perry, and the public wants to know.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
The public doesn't give a damn.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
And I went to his office and I said, I said,
look at my face.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
He goes, yeah, look at your face.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
We're going to do with your fan. What can you
do with his face? I go like that, I swear
to God, I go and look at this. I'm getting old.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I said, I want to maybe get fix it up
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Doctor Oz, are you there, I'm here Ark, and I
want to get a plugged you. Having worked with you
and a balk and numerous other activities, you want to talk.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
To Arthur Perry, the best in plastic surgery.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
Remarkable knowledge, but also your grace at delivery content, which
is why it's been a blessing to have you on
my show so many times.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
When I was a resident at the University of Chicago,
we had a media smart as.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
I really really gift this position. I want to pay
you the highest true I can give to a surgeon,
which is when people come to you, they don't come
for an operation, they come for an opinion. And that's
why I trust you with my friends and relatives. I
didn't realize we were going to get the Michael Jordan
of Plastic Surgeons nine two and zero.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Bows to this guy, and welcome. This is What's Your
Wrinkle right here on WOR. This is straight talk about
cosmetic surgery. That's what we do here on WOR every
Saturday evening. I guess it's evening at six o'clock and
I'm board certified plastic surgeon, doctor Arthur Perry, host of
What's Your Wrinkle for a long long time, and thank
(01:35):
you so much for listening. We've got a great show
scheduled for you tonight. And if this is the very
first time you've listened to this show, you might be wondering,
what is this guy talking about. Well, I'm a plastic surgeon.
I trained at Harvard, Cornell, and the University of Chicago,
and I'm on the faculty of Columbia and of Rutgers
Medical Schools. I helped teach the residents how to become
(01:58):
plastic surgeons. And during the day, my real job is,
you know, I do botox, and I do facelifts and
rhinoplasts and liposuction and tummy tucks and things like that.
That's what I do. And I'm here to help you,
help you kind of wade through all the misinformation out there.
(02:19):
There is so much in this field. I'm a board
certified plastic surgeon. I've written some books on the topic,
and I am here to answer your questions. The phone
number at WOR is eight hundred three two one zero
seven ten. That's eight hundred three to one zero seven ten,
and you have to you'll have to get your calls
in early because we've got a lot to talk about
(02:39):
on this half hour show. That's what it is this year.
We're going to talk today to a very very well
known beauty writer and her name is Valerie Monroe. She'll
be coming on in just a few minutes. She was
Oprah's beauty editor for sixteen years. I'm very happy to
be speaking to her this evening. We are also we're
(03:01):
gonna talk about right in our own backyard. Did you
see what happened? An esthetician was arrested for illegally injecting
boatox and it wasn't even real botox, it was fake botox.
We're gonna talk a little bit about that tonight. And boy,
I'll say you usually you hear about these things in
North Carolina or Florida, not in New York, right, But
(03:23):
this is in Hell's Kitchen, just a few blocks from here,
and I'll tell you it's not a good story, and
you'll want to stay safe. You'll want to not not
have fake botox injected, that's for sure. So we're gonna
talk about that. We're also, if we have a little time,
let's finish up our discussion of the spring weddings that
we started last week. We talked about the procedures that
(03:45):
you can do really you know now now depending on
when your wedding is. If your wedding is a month
from now or two months or three months or six months, well,
you know there's there's time to do everything. But you
need to plan. You need to plan ahead, So we're
gonna talk about that, and we've got a studio audience here.
(04:06):
We've got little Madeline, she's not even two years old
and she's listening to the radio show. We've got Winston
and Susan. Susan who's not going to be on the
air tonight, but she's here in spirit, right Susan. Sure, well,
we want her back as the co host, but she's
busy tonight with with Madeline. All right, so today we're
(04:27):
gonna talk. Let's start out with this story because it
was really disturbing. We all read about it in the newspapers.
They still have newspapers, right, The New York City esthetician
was charged with injecting fake botox. Seven hundred people got
this fake stuff. Now, now, how could this possibly possibly be?
(04:47):
This is Joey Luther, He's fifty four years old, and
you know, I'm just reporting this from the paper. I
certainly don't have first hand information, but it's all over
the press. There was a raid on his business and
apparently had records of seven hundred people getting botox, and
(05:08):
some people got sick, some people got you know, these
bochelism like symptoms. And while botox cannot give you botulism.
You know, that's food poisoning because there's no live bacteria.
If you get a two high dose of the botox
or the fake botox, it can cause muscle weakness throughout
(05:29):
your body. And that's what happened to some people. People
were getting sick, they were reporting strange symptoms, being diagnosed
with the symptoms of bochulism. So he was arrested. He's
out on one hundred thousand dollars a bail. Now it's
amazing to me. You know how people can go to
(05:50):
someone who is not qualified. So that's what this show
is all about. You know, you listen to the show
for twenty years, you know that you should be going
to a Board certified plastic surgeon, or a board's certified dermatologists,
or a Board certified odo laryngologist who has done specialized
training and facial plastic surgery, or more an ophthalmologist that
has become an oculoplastic surgeon. Those are the four types
(06:14):
of doctors that legitimately should be and can professionally inject botox.
Now here's the thing. Every doctor has the license to
inject it. You can, that doesn't mean it's right I
don't call myself a cardiac surgeon. I don't call myself
a gastro enterologist. I call myself a plastic surgeon because
(06:34):
my training is in plastic surgery. That's what I do,
and that's what you should be going to if you
are going to have botox, and stay away from the
non professional, stay away from the storefront places not so good.
I got an ad in my email just today, some
(06:54):
marketing person. She's not an esthetician, she's not a medical person.
She will put an injecture in your office and guarantee
profits profit. It's crazy what's going on out there. It
is a wild while west of injectable. So be careful
out there. We're gonna take a break now, Noah, and
then when we come back, we've got a great interview
(07:16):
interview schedule with Val Munro. I'm board certified plastic surgeon,
doctor Arthur Perry. Stay tuned, we'll be right back. Did
you know that your skincare may be hurting you more
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Every Saturday evening at six pm. You're listening to What's
Your Wrinkle with Doctor Arthur Perry.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
What's Your Wrinkle?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
And we are back. This is Ford sortified plastic surgeon,
doctor Arthur Perry, host of What's Your Wrinkle for a
long long time right here on WOR. And way back,
if we go all the way back to two thousand
and seven, I was interviewed by Valmuro. At the time,
she was the beauty editor of Oprah magazine and it
(08:54):
was right after my straight talk about cosmetic surgery book
came out, and I've been wanting to get her back
to interview her on my show forever, so I've got
her to night. Valerie. Are you there, Hi, Arthur, how
are you? I? I am great, Thanks so much for
taking time on your Saturday evening. Now let me do
a little bit of an introduction. Sixteen years you were
(09:16):
beauty director at oh, the Oprah magazine, right, you've been
at other magazines before that. You have become one of
the foremost beauty experts in the United States and around
the world, talking about beauty and kind of being the
interface between the public and estheticians and plastic surgeons. And
(09:38):
it's really quite remarkable what you've done. So thank you
for coming on this evening.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Thank you for that very generous introduction.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Well, well it's true, it is true. So but let's
go back now. So you were a journalist first, How
did you wind up getting into the beauty genre?
Speaker 4 (09:58):
So I had I had absolutely no interest and beauty
except for you know, cultivating my own until the editor
at the recently launched the Oprah magazine called me and
asked whether I'd be interested in contributing to the magazine,
and I didn't write beauty, you know, as a specialty,
but they needed some beauty features, and so I wrote
(10:20):
a couple of beauty stories. But at some point they
realized that they were going to need somebody to handle
all the beauty editorial, because beauty is the beauty editorial
is the one thing that brings it a lot of
advertising to a magazine. It's how magazines used to particularly
women's magazines, used to survive. And Oprah didn't want to
(10:41):
do beauty the way women's magazines had traditionally historically handled it,
which is by making readers feel terrible about themselves, so
they would come back month after months to learn how
to be fixed. So they're looking for a way to
figure out how to approach beauty in a fresh, more
innovative way. And we came upon the idea that we,
(11:05):
because I knew very little about the beauty industry, that
we would help readers understand how it worked by learning
along with me. So I took the job as beauty
director and very quickly had to learn what the beauty
industry was like and what the you know, what the
exhortations were at the magazine for us to produce editorial
(11:30):
that would be how do I put this? That would
be accepted and maybe even appreciated by the advertising community.
But we were very lucky in that that Oprah was
kind of like the goose that laid the golden egg,
So we weren't beholden to advertisers in a way that
(11:50):
many women's magazines were. So that gave us a platform
that was very unusual and unique, and we could then,
uh talk to our readers about beauty in a way
that would help them understand how the industry worked, why
they might not feel so great about the way they look.
You know what the consequences are of an industry that
(12:14):
counts on your yearning for something always to look make
you look better than you than you think you look,
and how that works and how you know how deleterious
that could be to a woman's self esteem, particularly as
we age, which is what I'm interested in now with
(12:35):
my substec.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Oh okay, whoa, whoa, this is real radio. Wait, we
can't say oh you said that, very cool. We have
to see say the F word. All right, Well, that's okay.
How about slip up, slip up there there? You go
all right, well, tell us you've transitioned from from the
(12:56):
print media to the new media here and you've got
this column now, so all right say that slowly so so,
but don't say this where so people can can actually,
you know, go to that site and and read your work.
What is it again?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
It's called how Not to f Up Your Face? Okay,
and it's at Valeriemnroe dot substack dot com. So it's
the A L E R I E M O N
R O E dot substat dot com.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
And and how do you how do you say not
to f up your face? Valerie?
Speaker 4 (13:31):
How do I say it?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Yeah? Well, how do you? What are the things you
talk about on in the in your in your column? Right?
What do you tell women to do?
Speaker 4 (13:43):
One of the main tenets of my platform is that
I try to get women to understand well, actually this
applies to all of us, but women in particular, I
think are most vulnerable to this. From the time we
look into the mirror and we first recognize that it's
ourselves we're looking at. Girls are taught to manipulate their
(14:04):
face in some way to make it more pleasing, so
that is, we objectify our face because we want to
be pleasing to. Often it's the male gaze, but you
know whatever, some other gays, some you know gaze that's
on our shoulder. And often it's our own critical self
who is providing the you know, the criticism. And so
(14:28):
we look in the mirror and we begin to scan
for flaws, and we're if we're not careful, that is,
if we don't learn to be able to see our
face the way we see the faces of the other
people we love, we're always going to feel as if
our face isn't good enough, we're not pretty enough, we're
(14:48):
getting too old, you know, we're showing manifestations of aging.
And that is very difficult for us in our culture
because there's basically an unrealistic beauty idea that all girls
and women are subject to that has been amplified by
the fictional images we see on the internet. And back
(15:12):
to you know, being able to see yourself without objectification
if you can do this exercise, which is called mirror meditation,
which requires you to look into your own eyes in
a mirror until you can you're aware of feelings coming up,
and if you can look at yourself and allow those
feelings to come up while you're still looking into your
(15:33):
own eyes and you do this exercise regularly. There are
studies that show that that can increase your self esteem,
make you feel happier about. What I say to readers
is it'll make you feel happier about whatever you choose
to do to your face, whether you choose to do
something you know very minor or more invasive. If you
(15:53):
can see your face as you see the faces of
other people you love, you're going to be much more
forgiving in general about how you look.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah, it is interesting. You know, So women, what age
you say a woman starts using makeup? Now? You you
probably a twelve, thirteen, fourteen? What do you think? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
You know, I just saw this story and I was
maybe Women's Wear or another trade magazine about how department
stores now in their beauty Uh, what do you call that? Like,
the beauty departments are are encouraging younger and younger women
to buy makeup and skincare, and they're calling it. I
(16:38):
think they're probably is something like the alpha. What's the
what's the the youngest group of you know, not the boomers,
and then there's not Gen X or is it Gen ZENA? Yeah,
Alpha generation alpha something or other and and they're trying
to get these young kids. Like in the photo that
(16:59):
have come the story was a child who appeared to
be about eight starting to apply lipgloss or something, you know. So,
I mean, I think it may be getting younger and
younger the age of the kids, that girls are starting
to use makeup and certainly skincare. That's been a huge
issue in the past year or so, when you know,
there were all these preteen girls going into Sephoras and
(17:23):
basically destroying the shelves, you know, and buying skincare that
they didn't need.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Oh boy, yeah, yeah. I mean, look, there's so much
of that. Look In my field in plastic surgery, we
have I turned down people eighteen nineteen years old for botox.
It's it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I do believe in preventive botox, but at an age
that it matters, like maybe thirty or late twenties, you know,
not eighteen or sixteen. It's really incredible that that is
going on. I agree, yeah, but you know, it's interesting.
I don't know if you saw the movie with Pamela Anderson,
(18:02):
The Last Showgirl, where she wasn't wearing makeup in some
of the movie, and that was very interesting, and I
think she did that rereshing it was.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
I didn't I haven't seen that movie yet, but I
did write about her about it might have been almost
a year ago when she went to the shows in
Paris and she made a huge splash by going to
the fashion shows without wearing any makeup. She went bear face,
and she claimed that she said she was doing it
(18:33):
because she was sick and tired of being, you know,
an object basically, and she loved being able to be
the looker rather than the lookie, right, I mean the
looker that is, the person who was looking out and
not being objectified. But one of the one of her
quotes was that she said she she did it because
(18:54):
she didn't want the She wanted the focus to be
on the beautiful clothes she was wearing, not on her face,
which was just like her mean scam because like two
months later she came out with a skincare line. So
it's I don't really care what the motivation is. I
think it's lovely if you choose not to wear a makeup.
Makeup should be for fun.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Right, yeah, interesting, All right, we're gonna we're gonna switch
gears for a second. Now I'm speaking with Valerie Monroe.
Valerie Monroe has a she writes a column. Now, she
was Oprah's beauty editor for sixteen years, one of the
foremost authorities on the I guess the social aspects of
beauty and plastic surgery in the United States and around
(19:35):
the world. And now the the the website, I guess
the substack. You know these news newsletter h yeah, the
newsletter is how not to fu We'll say it, so
Noah doesn't have to believe it, how not to f
up your face. Uh. And you can read. But if
you look on the internet, you've got articles everywhere and
(19:58):
and interviews. So and I've been reading over the weekend.
Really interesting what you have to say. But let's let's
switch now to plastic surgery, which is what I am
and what I do. But you know, and you've been
an observer and a kind of an interface between the
public and plastic surgery for so long. Now. Now, I
(20:19):
always say beauty is in the behind the eye of
the beholder, right, but certainly you know, women know what
beauty is. But do you think every plastic surgeon understands
what beauty is? Valerie, Yeah, you know, something.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
I thought you were probably a much better person to
answer that question, because I.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Don't.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
I don't think women themselves actually know what beauty is
because I think when women look at their own faces,
they don't see what other people see. Typically, what we
see our flaws. Typically, what we see are the manifestations
of age, particularly we're getting we're you know, over fifty,
and so you know, it's a it's a slippery slope
(21:07):
because when people ask me for recommendations about about who
to see, like what doctor, I basically have no idea
because doctors are so different, plastic surgeons are so and
dermatologists too. So I'm wondering what you think about that.
I do think the Internet has had a terrible effect.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Yeah, you know, it is so interesting because as I've
been in plastic surgery, I started my residency training in
nineteen eighty one at Harvard Medical School, finished my residency
in plastic surgery in nineteen eighty seven, and I have
watched generations of plastic surgeons grow up, and I've watched
(21:47):
them do things that I wonder about. And it started
back in the nineteen eighties when plastic surgeons were putting
giant breast implants in and often it's not the patient
who wanted these, it's the you know, they plastic surgeon
would say to the patient, just leave it to me,
leave it to me. I'll I'll make you look beautiful. Now,
(22:09):
could I ever choose your clothing? Val? Never, of course not,
how can I? Well, okay, well I'll let you. What's that? Noah, okay, yeah, sorry, no, no,
it was in my ear? You know how that is
uh in the industry, But so val the in choosing
(22:34):
like a breast implant, that's it. That's the height of arrogance.
I think I always have let a woman choose her
own size, just like uh, you know, when a plastic
churgion says, I'm gonna put your your eyebrow way up
on your forehead. That's kind of crazy. Also, I think, uh,
it's uh, it's uh. There are plastic surgeons that have
(22:56):
good artistic sense, and then there are plastic surgeons that
make duck clips. And so you know, I've always said,
it's it. We can't assume just because someone has finished
the residency and has uh and has done, you know,
become board certified and sees a lot of patients that
they artists they are artistically uh good that they're creative
(23:20):
and they create things in a nice way. You know,
you hope so, but you only have to watch the op.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah, I totally agree. And can you imagine, as I'm
sure you can, how confusing and difficult it is for
a consumer of plastic surgery to figure out who to
go to, what she needs, what she even wants, whether
what she wants is even you know, conceivable, or if
it's the right thing for her. I mean, that's why
(23:47):
I think it's such a crap shoot. Basically, you know,
when you're looking for a doctor, is it very hard
to tell unless you look at patients that the that
the doctors worked on, you know what kind of we're
else you're going to get. I even just wrote about
that it's coming out for the Post next week, about
what happens in dermatology, because a friend of mine just
(24:08):
went for a procedure at dermatolic Actually no, it was
a plastics urcheon's office, I take it back, and she
said you should write a hard hitting post on up
selling and how you know doctors are upselling constantly And
in fact, yeah, she was in the chair and discovered that,
you know, the procedure wasn't going to cover everything she
(24:30):
thought it was, and then you know, they tried to
upsell her on a post treatment treatment that was supposed
to make her recovery. I mean, so basically, what I
suggest to readers is that they go in to an
appointment or a consultation armed with as much research as
they can as they can carry, and also as many
(24:52):
questions as they can think of, because.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
The more we're going to have to draw this to close.
This is a half hour show. Unfortunately, I could talk
talk to you for hours, I really could. But I
want to thank you, Valerie Monroe. You've been wonderful, very
gracious on your Saturday evening taking time out. We're gonna
have to take our break now. Noah, thank you for
great engineering. And val let's have you back another time. Okay,
(25:15):
love it.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I would love to thanks.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Okay, great, take care, nice, nice talking to you. All right,
We'll see everybody next week six o'clock. Tune in and
thanks again for great engineering. Bye bye. Now they say
that sixty is the new fifty, but while you may
feel and act fifty, the mirror doesn't lie. But that's
where plastic surgery comes in. I'm board certified plastic surgeon,
(25:38):
doctor Arthur Perry, and I love helping patients look younger
and better. If you've got sagging cheeks, jowls, and that
dreaded turkey gobbler, it might be time for a little
nip and a tuck. You look more rested and yes,
younger With my short scar facelift and the artistic injection
of wrinkle filler or a laser peel, well, that might
be just what it takes to get you looking as
(25:58):
good as you feel. Sit down for an hour consultation
in my new Park Avenue office. Together we'll come up
with a plan to help you look your best. Give
me a call at eight three three Perry MD. That's
a three three p e r R Y M D.
Check me out on the web at Periplasticsurgery dot com,
and don't forget to listen to me doctor Arthur Perry,
every Saturday evening at six pm right here on WOR.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
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