Entrepreneurs: The IA Takeover and the Fight to Save the Arts with Ken Dashow + Others

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
It's not right to simply take somebody else's work and
call it your own.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
I've got twenty two tapes of your spouse and we
are asking for two hundred thousand dollars.

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Eighty percent of those deaths are preventable.

Speaker 5 (00:23):
I'm Richard Gerhart and I'm Elizabeth Gearhart. You've just heard
some snippets from our show. It was a great one.
Stay tuned, especially if you want to start a new.

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Business, ramping up your business.

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The time is near. You've given it hard.

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Now get it in gear It's Passage to Profit with
Richard and Elizabeth Gearhart.

Speaker 7 (00:44):
I'm Richard Gearhart, founder of Gearhart Law, a full service
intellectual property law firm specializing in patents, trademarks, and copyrights.

Speaker 5 (00:52):
And I'm Elizabeth Gearhart. Not an attorney, but I do
marketing for Gearhart Law, and I have my own startups
and podcasts.

Speaker 7 (00:58):
Welcome to Passage to Fit the Road to entrepreneurship, where
we talk with celebrities and entrepreneurs about their stories in
the Business World. We have a super special guest, Ken Dashau.
He's a writer, performer, director, and personality at Q one
oh four point three, New York's classic rock station. He's
written several plays and screenplays and is the host of

(01:21):
Ken Dashau's Beto Revolution podcast.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
And then we have two really great entrepreneurs coming up.
Meddi Javinmard is a professor at Rutgers University doing just
amazing research. He's the co founder of riz Lab Health
and it all has to do with white blood cell
count So can't wait to hear what he's doing. And
then Sophia Diaz is an accomplished and multifaceted personality. I
listened to her music online. It's great. I love what

(01:45):
she does. She wears so many hats. I can't even
get into him right now. And coming up later on,
it's Noah's Retrospective along with Secrets of the Entrepreneurial Mind.

Speaker 7 (01:56):
But before we get to our distinguished guests, it's time
for your New Business Journey. Two and five Americans are
thinking about starting a business or business owners already, and
we like to ask our panel a question that's of
relevance to them. So this week the question is what
are the skills that a startup founder must master to

(02:17):
be successful? So, Maddie, welcome to the show. Tell us
what are the skills that a startup founder must master
to be successful?

Speaker 4 (02:26):
As a startup founder, you always have to you have
to wear multiple hats on, right, especially in the very
early stages. You know, one one minute, you know, especially
if you're if you're the CEO, one minute, you're going
to be the engineer. Right one minute, you're going to
be doing marketing. Right one minute, you're going to be

(02:49):
doing finance and you know, checking your budgets and books
and calculating project projecting revenues.

Speaker 8 (02:56):
One minute.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
You have to be a legal expert, understanding how to
read and review you know, NDA's and you know all
other kinds of legal documents. So so I think, you know,
you have to be you know multi, you know, you
have to wear multiple hats and be able to tackle
different challenges.

Speaker 7 (03:18):
Right, Sophia, what skills would an entrepreneur entertainer need to
master to become successful?

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Well, for me, it has always been the people, the
people that I choose to work with, the people that
I intentionally choose to work with. It helps build a
safe environment, for me as a CEO, as a founder
of a company. And you know, I cherished those relationships

(03:47):
when I started DS. I had little money and I
launched my company in Milan, Italy. And I'm still in
touch with those very people and the factory owners say,
for instance and Pad where the iwars made on my
clothing is made in Istanbul actually to our drive from

(04:07):
Istanbul in a little industrial town called Bursa. So having
those relationships with people is the most important for me
as as an entrepreneur and as a businesswoman. Absolutely, it
cannot buy relationships.

Speaker 7 (04:23):
No, It's all about the interaction that people have with
each other and the trust and the trust that they build.
So that's great. We have Ken Dash out at New
York's Classic Rock Q one oh four point three. It's
such a pleasure. We've seen each other here at the
studio from time to time. Ken has always talked about

(04:43):
AI artificial intelligence, and so we're here to pick his
brain on that today.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
And I just want to say, yeah, he has a
very rich, deep happy voice, like he loves what he's
doing and he's just got this intonation that you just
love listening to him.

Speaker 7 (04:58):
Yeah, very verbal.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Thank you for a long time and on the air,
God since nineteen seventy eight.

Speaker 6 (05:03):
I don't even want to do the math.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
But here in New York since eighty two, and you
know everything we talk about branding, branding, branding, Well, my
voice what you're hearing now, or my image of what
I do on social media, that is my brand.

Speaker 6 (05:18):
That's me.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
I am Ken dash out for better or worse. If
you love it, if you hate it, that's fine. It's
however you react to it. But the thought that somebody
else could simply sample it and repurpose it for their
own use a without asking and b without paying, is terrifying.

Speaker 7 (05:35):
Which is why we're here. Because we're here to talk
about AI in the entertainment industry. Ken, tell us about
what you think the state of AI in the entertainment
industry is today.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
I think it's the biggest threat to any sense of
entertainment you've ever had, from movies to TV, to music
to the spoken word. There's never been a threat like
this before because the goal of people is to do
everything as cheaply as possible. The producers and we understand
that their job is to manage costs, and we all
get that that's what it's about But the thought of

(06:09):
simply replacing me with a computer that sounds like me
is a lot cheaper than paying me to do my work.
But I believe in my heart of hearts a computer
can sound like me. But it won't create the ideas.
It won't talk about the stories that part of what
we do. What makes radio where your listening over the air,
online on the iHeartRadio app. What makes it special is

(06:32):
who we are, the stories we tell, how we relate
to the music, what we share with you. And AI
can't create that, it can only copy it.

Speaker 7 (06:40):
Right.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
It wasn't at the Stone Pony in New Jersey, for instance,
twenty years.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Ago, exactly, it wasn't there to tell the Bruce story.
When just recently when I told the story, I host
this big benefit every year called Love Rock's NYC to
benefit God's Love We Deliver and all these stars. And
when I tell a story about backstage, about Trey Anastasio
from the band Phish, the biggest jam band in the world,

(07:05):
being the ultimate fanboy of Share and losing his mind
and trying to run out on stage to play with her.
Because it means that much. AI can't tell that story.
It can stample what I sound like. It can say
here are the Beatles, but it doesn't have content. And
all of my musician friends see it happening left, right
and sideways. Rather than be hired to play, they just

(07:28):
ask the computer to create some music and they use it.

Speaker 7 (07:31):
It's unfortunate. It's kind of the lazy way to do it,
but it lacks the richness. And a performer evolves over time.
They have experience, right, and they live through things and
those experiences are reflected in their performances, right, And AI
can't do that. It's sort of AI goes out onto
the Internet and it sort of takes the average of

(07:55):
all of the stuff that's out there that's exactly it,
and it puts it together in some sort of compilation.
And it sounds okay to a certain extent. But I
don't think you're going to reach a pinnacle that a
real artist can.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Reach one hundred percent, Richard. It can make something that
sounds like a Billie Eilish song, it can make something
that sounds like what already exists. But all of the
artists that are special to us, from George Gershwin to
the Beatles to Mozart, you can create a chopin prelude
that sounds like chopin, but it won't have the heart

(08:29):
and soul.

Speaker 6 (08:29):
It'll sound like it.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
And when you think about legendary songs of Stormy Weather
to the Beatles to John Lennon's in My Life, why
does that make us tear up?

Speaker 6 (08:39):
Is it the minor key? No, it's because it came
from his heart.

Speaker 7 (08:43):
Yeah, I was listening to Now and Then, which was
the Beatles tune that was nominated or eventually won the Emmy,
right the Grammy. I'm sorry in twenty twenty five. I
respect the Beatles a lot, but I don't think that
that song got to the level of their original music.
And they used AI to create and produce that.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Well, let me sort that out, because that's been a
big bone of contention. Where AI works great, where it
works on a technical level. John Lennon made this cassette
tape of him playing the piano demos. There were three
demos on it, and on it it says for Paul
and Yoko got it to Paul, and why they couldn't
use the song before is because they couldn't separate the

(09:26):
piano and John's voice, and it always sounded really Ratty.
But because of AI they were able to sample the
song and technically the absolute vibrations of the frequencies of
John's voice and the piano were different. It separated the
piano and the voice so that then they could mix
the piano separately, John's voice separately, and then augment John's

(09:48):
voice and to make his voice stronger.

Speaker 6 (09:51):
They didn't use AI.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Paul McCartney sang like John because if you've been singing
with somebody since you're fourteen years old and he's sixty,
I assure you Paul can sing exactly like John can.
It's up in the now, noise like this, you know,
pulls more up here, but he can do it perfectly.
So that's the best use of it. Think of the

(10:13):
movie that Peter Jackson did Get Back, where he separated
out all the tracks so we could have That's where
AI is used to great effect. Replacing ringo on a
drum track is not the Beatles, but the emotional part
of that song to me is I can't imagine on

(10:33):
this cassette written by your oldest friend in the world,
your closest friend. That says for Paul, and the lyric
is now and then I miss you, Oh, I don't
know how he got through it without crying his eyes.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
So there's a push right now. There are a number
of performers that are actors mostly who are petitioning the
new administration because Google and open Ai want to take
everything for free and use whatever they want and use
this piece of copyright law called fair use to just
basically steal everybody blind. But it's not even the compensation

(11:08):
for people like use from what I'm hearing, it's the
fact that they're taking your stuff and they're making it
something awful that it's not supposed to be without your permission,
and that's it. They don't want to have to get permission.
They don't want to obey the copyright rules of this country.
So what do you think the answer? Should we all
petition our congress people? Like what do we do?

Speaker 6 (11:26):
One hundred percent?

Speaker 2 (11:27):
If every you know, we always say write your congressman,
but for real, if you still want to read books,
if you want TV shows, if you want original if
you think that an artist or a creator or somebody
should be paid a fair wage to do their work
just as you are, please write to them and say
it's not right to simply take somebody else's work and

(11:48):
call it your own, because no matter how you explain it,
no matter what you say, it's simply stealing you. Simply
you did something. We're creating this podcast called Passage to Profit,
and when it goes on the air, I can simply
take it, download it and say this is my show.
And literally you can hide it any way you want.
But that's what they're doing. My wife's an actress, and

(12:10):
the you know, actors and the writers were on strike
for so long and it hurt. But my wife was last,
as she she's usually the fourth name or the fifth
name on a show. And what they said is, we
will give you one thousand dollars, We scan your face,
we get your image, and then the studio can use
it in perpetuity. We can use you in any story

(12:32):
for any reason because we own your image and your
voice for a thousand.

Speaker 7 (12:37):
Looks and desperate people out there.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, I mean, but the thing is okay because you
have the technical ability to do it. So where are
your actors going to come from? And there's that old euphemism. Well,
the cream will rise to the top, but if you're
eliminating the dairy product in the container, if you have
no actors, if you have no writers, where's it coming.

Speaker 7 (13:00):
I'll tell you though, that the people that I talk
to who are very involved in AI are very confident
that they're going to be able to perfect AI to
the point where you're not going to be able to
know the difference between a human and an AI, and
it's going to be able to teach itself and it's
going to be able to learn, and we're not going

(13:22):
to know the difference.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Right, How terrifying is that statement? And you're right, and
I hear this.

Speaker 7 (13:27):
We were talking yesterday about AI and about just how
people interact, and so normally we kind of try to
tune ourselves to the person that we're speaking with, and
you know, if the person had a fight with his
brother the day before, we kind of take that into account. Right.
We don't say anything goofy about you know, your brother,
but there's like, oh no, that's all going to be

(13:50):
possible for AI to account for that and its communications.
And then well, why do we even bother living? If
it's exactly if we take all the humanity and all
the purpose out of our lives, what would we do
if AI does everything for us?

Speaker 2 (14:06):
That's why it has to be hard boarders and heart
controls over this. I've been doing this all these years
for the first time. Usually in a contract negotiation you
argue about money and responsibilities, and that's always the fipe.
You know, you read athletes and performers they want more
money or they don't want to do this. Well, I'm
thrilled and blessed get paid a fair wage. And my

(14:28):
answer my whole life in working, whether it's in the
theater or on radio, was my duties are whatever you
need me to do, I'm glad to do it.

Speaker 6 (14:37):
But when a clause came in it said we have.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
The right to use your name or likeness for any
reason whatsoever, for any sponsor or client. That's terrifying a
to me, and be think of the damage you could do.

Speaker 6 (14:52):
We stay away.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
I don't do any hot button issues. I don't endorse
a politician. I don't endorse a political point of view.
And because that's not what we are. There are stations
that are that and shows that are all about politics.

Speaker 6 (15:06):
We're not.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
We're a safe zone from that. We talk about music
and rock and roll in life stories. So if there's
a picture of me, even in another market of Ken
saying both, for this guy, how do I combat that?

Speaker 7 (15:17):
If you have your brand?

Speaker 5 (15:19):
Yeah, that would make me furious if somebody did that
to me because we stay away from politics everything with
this show because people need a break quite honestly exactly
but honestly, yeah, that is one of the scariest things
to think that somebody could take your persona, so to speak,
and make it do something that is not aligned with
your values.

Speaker 6 (15:40):
Right.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Plus, I mean, it's my livelihood. You know, we talk
about passage to profit. This is how I.

Speaker 6 (15:46):
Feed my family.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
And you know, when you think about computers and robotics
taking over the assembly line, taking blue collar work, there's
a mechanical reality to that, and it's it can be
redone at work, and it's true, but you still need
people to maintain the equipment and things. But as far
as doing plumbing, as far as doing creative work. In
terms of building something, you have to have an architect,

(16:10):
you have to have somebody a builder, you have to
have a designer, you have to have work done by
a human being to do it. Those jobs are essential.
In healthcare, it can't be done by a computer. And
that's as far as the arts go. There's that sense
of well, these guys make a fortune. And yes, the
top stars of the world that you see in movies

(16:32):
that you know, get a fortune, and maybe Howard Stern
makes a fortune, but the other ninety five percent of
people in radio and TV are just trying to pay
their bills.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
And when it comes right down to it, sure, it's
great to create something from these different sites, but it
came from somewhere, and it came from people, and they
should be able to give their permission and be compensated.
And I don't know how we get that message through
strong enough to the current Congress or whomever. Now. The
only good thing is that the current administration, which I

(17:02):
will not say anything bad or good about, but the
one thing I do know about them is they have
a lot of IP a lot of the people in
that administration. So maybe they see the value of intellectual
property and maybe I don't know what they'll do, but
hopefully they'll say, well, you know, copyright law is important
to this country.

Speaker 6 (17:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
The one thing that I can't stress strong enough, and
this is to your Congressman, the conversations you have and
please hold this thought, dear. This is not impeding progress.
This is preserving creativity, the arts, and reality, so that
when you see something on your screen, you need to
know is that real that.

Speaker 6 (17:39):
You're watching or not?

Speaker 2 (17:41):
When there used to be mud slinging campaigns that go
back forever my opponent, you.

Speaker 6 (17:47):
Know, does you know he physically goes to the jail
and lets.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
The criminals out and get fet you know, there was
always there was always that stuff mine he takes money
from the Yeah, and you know, and it was what
it was. But now when you see a video supposedly
of somebody doing something illegal and you don't know whether
that's real or not, you simply want to believe it.

Speaker 6 (18:10):
What is it called confirmation bias?

Speaker 7 (18:12):
Right?

Speaker 2 (18:12):
I want to believe something bad about Ken Dash out,
So if somebody puts up a video of it, see
I'll prove it.

Speaker 7 (18:18):
Seeing is believing, right, I mean if it's not and
you can you can read stuff and you can know, well,
maybe that's true, maybe that's not. But seeing and hearing
something there's a lot more credibility when you see it
and you hear it, and if it's fake, then I
think we lose our bearings, right, because we don't know
what to believe anymore, whether it's real or whether it's

(18:41):
it's fake. And so I think it's there's a real
danger here if this is allowed to continue on.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
When this first started, Bob Dylan simply said one sentence.

Speaker 6 (18:50):
He said, when you can't believe what you see, watch out.

Speaker 7 (18:55):
Ye that's it.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
Well scary for me, I have a cat podcast with
an other woman, Daniel Woolly. And what was scary was
I put into Google notebook just three sentences about cats
and staid do a podcast. It was actually came up
with a pretty good podcast. It was a woman and
a man. They were talking about cats. The thing that
was missing was they didn't say their names, and they
didn't say anything about their personal experiences with cats. Everything

(19:19):
they got was very generic. They took a couple of
things from what I put in. But now Sora is
coming to do that with video, and I don't know
where this is going to end.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
That's you know, like you said, right now, it's still
it's infancy, and it is poor. You know, it's it's
really barely there. But Richard, like you said before, it
gets better by leaps and bounds, and it's going to
get refined and refined. And when you say, do a
cat podcast, and create two names. It'll get to that
point where you go, oh, that's dangerous.

Speaker 5 (19:50):
Yeah, I mean, why do they need me anymore?

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Exactly?

Speaker 7 (19:53):
Ken Dash out personality at New York's Classic ROCKQ one
oh four point.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
Three passage to with Richard and Elizabeth Gearheart.

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Speaker 1 (22:04):
Now back to passage to, Profit once Again Richard.

Speaker 10 (22:07):
And elizabeth Gearhart.

Speaker 7 (22:09):
We have ken Dash Out At NEW york's classic rockq
one oh. Four point three you're going TO talk about
ai in. The entertainment industry there's nothing really NOW. That's,
regulating ai right there's no breaks, on, the train right
the genies out, of, the bottle right it's.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
An unstoppable train.

Speaker 7 (22:27):
At this point.

Speaker 6 (22:28):
It's simply what you are and aren't.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Allowed to use if you, can't have, curbs it says
if we're going to use. Someone's, existing image look when
you're making one of those, DYSTOPIAN futuristic movies i think
we all pretty much understand that it used to be
an artist physically painting it with a paintbrush on a,
piece of glass and now it's a Computer Creating that
mad max dystopian future or Another Planet or.

Speaker 6 (22:52):
Star trek or. Whatever it is. We get that but when.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
It's replacing the human beings who are acting, in the
place and it may look to the point where, it's
really good but it's never going to touch your heart
because it, doesn't know how because it doesn't. Have a
heart think of the musicians you love or, Songs You
love Bruce Springsteen, to billie holiday to whomever the person
is that means. Something to you it's coming from what

(23:19):
they're really doing is connecting their.

Speaker 6 (23:21):
Soul to yours and that's the.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Magic of art from a painting that's, hanging a museum
to a movie to a show. And a computers that's
its limit is it could create something that looks like it,
sounds like it but it can't, have a.

Speaker 6 (23:37):
Living breathing heart.

Speaker 5 (23:38):
That's why a piano piece played by different people never sounds,
the same.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Right exactly exactly you couldn't say. It any better you,
can say it play, it like this play. It like that,
but one night if you know the Thing About, the
grateful dead and you know everybody has to, have every
show why because every show was. A little different sometimes,
it was faster, It was slower sometimes the band was in.

(24:03):
An angry mood sometimes they were. Just not together sometimes,
it was sloppy and then it came together after. A
half hour and everybody wants to go on. That different journey, as,
We said bands i've seen so many times of My
favorites of Paul McCartney or bob dylan, or you know.
Name a, band great, nights bad, nights interesting, nights quiet

(24:25):
nights loud, and angry, Nights rock nights and that's part.
Of the journey if it's always, EXACTLY the same i
don't need to.

Speaker 7 (24:32):
See.

Speaker 5 (24:32):
IT again absolutely i never realized that Was why the
deadheads followed the grateful.

Speaker 7 (24:37):
Of, the country also nothing, better, to do, right you know,
by the way just do we talk about.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Passage to profit there's a whole other show to be
done about the Brilliance Of the grateful dad's completely. Illogical
business legacy everybody spent all the time in the world
stopping people from taping concerts because they're going to bootleg
the and then we won't be able to sell. The
live Albums So the grateful dead never made any money.

(25:05):
Selling albums anyway so not only did they let, them
tape it but they set up special sections so that
the tapers would have a quiet area with, people not
screaming so they could. Get Higher quality and i've talked
to them for the less Many rest in peace explained
it and said it wasn't a. Strategic marketing thing, we
just thought let them have the music. And enjoy it
but what we didn't realize is over the course of

(25:26):
a tour we wound up with a quarter of a
million salespeople all, sharing our, music telling you oh you
got To See, The grateful dead oh, listen to this
and that's what. Built The legacy and i'd love to
tell you in hindsight how. Brilliant we were we just
thought that the kids want to have, recordings of it let,
them have it and that's what turned out to be
our greatest.

Speaker 6 (25:45):
Marketing tool ever.

Speaker 7 (25:47):
There's something very, pure. ABOUT that right i know it's.
Really for them it was, about the music and you
do it for the right reasons and sometimes the karma
just goes out there and handles it.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
The.

Speaker 6 (25:58):
Right, way exactly guys this was, So Much.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Fun elizabeth richard we could do this for, hours and,
hours AND again all i can share, with your listeners,
with everybody listening is this really is a reason to
write to, your local congressman, to your politician write to
your senator and explain that you see the danger in
this of people losing their jobs in the arts where,

(26:21):
it starts there but of everything that there need to
be curbs where you can't just take someone's voice or
likeness and re use it without their permission and. Without
paying it it's, not impeding progress it. Is, destroying creativity.

Speaker 7 (26:35):
Well thanks so much, For joining Us. Ken and pleasure
it was a real pleasure having you. On the program
we look forward to hearing all the great things that
YOU'RE doing on q one oz four on The Twelve.

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Else but.

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On passage To profit With Richard. And elizabeth gearheart and.

Speaker 7 (27:41):
Now it's time for. Intellectual Property news so elizabeth well.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
To carry on, THE current theme a number, of Content
creators actors hollywood names more than four hundred drafted a
letter and signed it asking the current administration TO not
let ai companies exploit their copyrighted works and Not, just
say okay copyright law. Doesn't really matter Google and open

(28:05):
ai could do whatever they want with whatever content you've.
Put out there and they're, trying, to say look they
can't just, take our stuff and they can't make replicaus
of us and put us out.

Speaker 7 (28:15):
OF our jobs i think what was really interesting is
that this was in A response to Google and open
ai blatantly stating that they wanted to be exempt from
copyright laws and that they wanted more relaxed copyright laws
because they didn't want to have to deal with. Lawsuits
from creators and so, because of this the actors and

(28:41):
Creative leaders in hollywood wrote this letter to the administration
asking them to. Maintain the laws, So right now GOOGLE
and open ai are looking for an out and they
want to be able to copy stuff really without compensating
anybody and without having to. Get ANYBODY'S permission and i
think this was going to come to, a HEAD eventually

(29:03):
But i think Google and open ai decided that they
prefer to try to approach the administration rather than litigate this.
In the courts let's ask, our guests today what do
you think? About this situation how do YOU feel about? Ai,
and creators sophia what?

Speaker 3 (29:19):
ARE your thoughts i Agree with what KEN. Said about
ai it's a challenging situation for. ENTREPRENEURS business owners.

Speaker 7 (29:30):
I agree it. Is, pretty challenging maddie what do YOU
think about? Ai and creators.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
Very Interesting points, that kin made especially the last fifty
years where progress and technology has.

Speaker 8 (29:43):
Moved really fast.

Speaker 7 (29:44):
The SCARY part is ai is so beyond. Any Person's,
comprehension so elizabeth what.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
DO you think i think it's going to seep into every.
Part of life, and, PEOPLE say oh I, don't use
ai but THEY, do use ai they just. Don't KNOW
it and i think the representatives need to, put SOME
boundaries and I don't Think google And open a eye
should just be able to take.

Speaker 7 (30:04):
Whatever, they want so speaking, of intellectual property if you
have any, intellectual property Needs Contact. Your heart law you
can learn about patents and trademarks if you go to
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Now It's time. For elizabeth spotlight tell us what you've.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
BEEN up to i still have, my, meetup group podcasting.
YouTube Creator's community stacy sherman's. Taking A break sonya satra's
helping me, with It now and i'm Excited because on,
march twenty seventh we're going to talk about copyrights and
trademarks and have a sneak peak of, our podcast studio
which is almost a so anybody that lives In Or
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the studio, april twenty Eighth that's. A monday night we're
going to have our open house, during the afternoon and
then at five o'clock is when the bar opens and,
we have food and the mayor comes and we do,
the ribbon cutting and we announce the opening grand opening of,
Our New Studio gear Media, Studios In. Summit new jersey
so we have been working like. Crazy on that i'm

(33:25):
Still Doing the jersey Podcasts Podcast with daniel wooley and
of Course Marketing For. Gear heart law so. Is that
enough that's.

Speaker 7 (33:35):
A good start that's.

Speaker 5 (33:36):
A Good start so richard's been helping put, the studio
together and we have, a video studio we have, an
audio studio we have, a makeup room and we have
a big all purpose room that. Photographers can use are really.
Excited about it and now comes. The marketing push so
THIS is where i really test myself on how good
my marketing. Skills, actually are right so we will we

(33:58):
will see. How that goes so, Enough about that now onto.
The MEDICAL minute and i do want to hear everybody's
comments on this because this is. SOMETHING really amazing.

Speaker 7 (34:06):
I can't wait to hear everybody's. Comments on this.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
So this is from listverse dot com and it's from
this article that lists the ten major recent advances In Medicine,
by brent, Hill and basically japanese researchers think they have
found a way for an adult human to grow. A
new tooth i. Am just amazed so they developed a

(34:29):
drug that targets THIS, protein usag dash one protein a
key player. In tooth formation by, blocking the protein the
drug encourages the growth of new, teeth in adults something
that was previously thought. To be impossible so if.

Speaker 7 (34:44):
You're, missing one tooth do you get just that? ONE
tooth replaced.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
I don't know the first trials will involve thirty men
age between thirty. And sixty four if, all goes well
the drug might be available to the public, By twenty
thirty so that's only five years a way that you
could grow a new tooth. IN your head i don't
know how, they control it how they like how, it
manifests itself, because you think like if, they blocked it
you'd be grown teeth all. Over, the, place yeah like.

Speaker 7 (35:11):
How does it know which?

Speaker 5 (35:12):
Tooth to replace but we, do have somebody we, Do
Have Well i'm rutgers university professor here who does research,
in a similar not, the same, area biomedical. Stuff, biomedical
stuff yeah maybe he.

Speaker 7 (35:24):
HAS an answer i have two Missing teeth and i'm
trying TO decide whether i should wait and get new
teeth in five years and hope, this technology WORKS or
whether i should just go ahead and. Have, the implants
now what? DO you Think i think i'd.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
Have the implants But let's ask fanto and We'll get
to sofia Tube and many had you heard? About, THIS before.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
No i haven't this is The first time i'm hearing about, this.

Speaker 5 (35:45):
ME too and i just. Found it online do you?
THINK it's, REAL i mean.

Speaker 8 (35:48):
I don't, know i mean regenerative.

Speaker 7 (35:52):
COULD be, an ai, boy but, anyway go Ahead didn't.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
Mean regenerative medicine is a pretty hot, field in general
this attempt, to build, tissue you know, from ground ups
starting from a single cell and, being able, to for
example build different, kinds of, organs you know also leveraging
THINGS like three d, printing and whatnot things like, kid artificial,

(36:18):
kidneys you know. Pancreases and whatnot, AS for, TOOTH i
know i knew that people were working in this general,
field bone regeneration but this, ONE in particular.

Speaker 8 (36:32):
I had not i had not heard of so it.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
COULD be real i.

Speaker 7 (36:36):
THINK it's, real, i mean yeah somebody, make THAT up but.

Speaker 5 (36:39):
I wonder how they would control the expression, Of things
though so you only get the, tooth you want.

Speaker 7 (36:44):
Can you like order like two extra large or four
extra large teeth in the front of your mouth and
become a? Vampire for example? Or, maybe not okay well
let's move on.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
To, Somebody, else so sophia do you have any? THOUGHTS
about this i. AGREE with me i do think this.
IS pretty interesting i don't need, it right now but five,
years from, NOW you, know i mean this is just
it would be so cool if, it Was real because
i've heard that having replacement teeth is not very comfortable
a lot.

Speaker 7 (37:13):
Of, the time yeah it seems to me like it
might be a while before. They get there five years
seems like a, pretty aggressive timeline but.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
You Never, Know, so okay well now we've talked about
something we don't really. KNOW is happening i want to
talk about some critical breakthrough that we do know Is Happening,
that meddi javimard A Professor at rutgers university and Co Found,
of rizlab. Health is designing it's about white. BLOOD cell
count i can hardly. Wait to hear can you please

(37:43):
tell us what?

Speaker 3 (37:44):
You.

Speaker 10 (37:44):
Are.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
DOING maddie absolutely i think we're all familiar with things
like glucose meters that diabetics, use you know they can
take a quick finger prick and check their their glucose
levels at home or you know home based TESTS like. The,
covid tests right we all started using those. During, the
pandemic now what we're trying to Do At riz lab

(38:04):
health is essentially take, that similar idea but use it for,
counting blood cells so things like, white blood cells, red,
blood cells platelets and you know when being able to
check these levels rapidly with a tiny amount of blood,
is really, important you know for different, kinds, of diseases,

(38:25):
indications you know patients having all sorts, of you know
different conditions that. They're dealing, with you know just to give,
you an idea the first indication that we're. Targeting is, sepsis,
you know sepsis, as you know is the third leading
killer or for third leading cause. Of hospital deaths can.

Speaker 5 (38:48):
You explain exactly?

Speaker 8 (38:49):
What, sepsis is yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
Very GOOD question SO i think i think the best
way to describe sepsis is. It's blood poisoning it's like
you get bacteria pathogens in your blood usually originates from
from somewhere outside. Of the blood the bacteria managed to
get in the blood, and then obviously as, you can
imagine creates a mess because bacteria shouldn't shouldn't, be in

(39:13):
there and if not, treated very quickly.

Speaker 8 (39:18):
Then then it can.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Result in, death in fact for every hour that, treatment
is delayed the chance of mortality goes up. BY eight
percent i personally actually, had you know a, very dear
relative very close relative of mine several years back, who
you know had uh had surgery on their knee and
and that ultimately resulted in sepsis and and and they ended,

(39:41):
up you know passing away after after a.

Speaker 5 (39:43):
Month or so did they know they had? It right
away did they delay too? Long for treatment they.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
Did not know they did not know right away because
they came home, after the surgery and and, then you
know the wound got infected and, then you know, ultimately
you know got into their blood stream and by the
time the hospitals figured out what, was going on, they
started treating but it was it was a. Little too
late and then, the you know anti you get antimicrobial.
Resistance as, well you know the bacteria can become resistant

(40:12):
to antibiotics and and then it becomes very very. Difficult
to treat so so, just you know just to tell
you what what we want to DO at at riz,
lab for example, is you know being able to triage
high risk, patients very early like in the EMERGENCY room at, trioge,
for example right because, because right now the way the,

(40:35):
way it works uh is in, an emergency room when
somebody comes in, with an infection they look. At four
parameters so they look at, the you know whether you have,
fever or not whether you have, elevated heart rate, elevated
breathing rate and those three things they can DO, at.
The trioge, right you know there's like a nurse there

(40:55):
that can quickly. Measure these things but the fourth parameter
is the. White Blood cell can't they can't.

Speaker 8 (41:01):
Do that until you get admitted. Into the er, and
we know.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
Like these days rs, are, very overcrowded right so, you
get admitted you need a phlebotomist to take a, tube
of blood has to get sent. To a lab right
by the time that, gets, back one two maybe three
four hours may, have, have passed right the. Disease has
progressed but what we've envision is being able to take
a fingerprick at triage and, know, within minutes right whether

(41:29):
the blood, count is elevated and whether they need to
start sepsist treatment right away, or better yet being able
to do it.

Speaker 8 (41:35):
In the ambulance right when the patient's on the way or.

Speaker 5 (41:38):
In urgent care sounds like that really. Fills a need.

Speaker 7 (41:42):
So as sepsis then treatable if. It's, Caught early.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
Yeah so so, essentially they, start you know the medical
team will start infusion of, antibiotics right away right very.

Speaker 7 (41:55):
And that makes. All the difference that would be enough to.
Help somebody survive.

Speaker 8 (42:00):
Exactly exactly what?

Speaker 5 (42:01):
Are you measuring are you measuring white? Blood?

Speaker 4 (42:03):
Cell count yeah so so so exactly in, the emergency
room THOSE four, parameters i mentioned They're called the serge criteria.
Systemic infhlemmatic response so the higher, your score is the higher.
Chance of, mortality so essentially once they see that you

(42:23):
have a score of, two or higher they. Begin that
process but oftentimes they, need a tiebreaker right because maybe
somebody took aspirin or tailand all before they went and their,
fevers under control, but they, really you know some have something,
bad going on or, maybe you know maybe they just
rushed to the er so, they're you, know they're, breathing,
you know heavily or they're nervous so they have a.

Speaker 8 (42:45):
High heart rate the.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
White blood cell count is the only one.

Speaker 8 (42:48):
That truly objected.

Speaker 7 (42:50):
So how did you go about starting this company and
how did you go about? Designing the device what were
the steps? That you took so.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
Very good questions this, all started, from you know. MY
academic roots i did My. PhD at stanford i don't
want to say how, many years ago.

Speaker 8 (43:10):
So you can't GUESS how.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
Old i am but my research, focus was, on you
know building really tiny sensors for being able to detect
really small, molecules likes, proteins, YOU know.

Speaker 8 (43:24):
Cells dna molecules.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
So we, built this technology, looked really, promising you, know
published papers and and continued really working on it in.
An academic environment, IN twenty fourteen i started A Lab,
at rutgers, university you know was able to, recruit some
amazing brilliant students and scholars to work on, further you
know building this technology. And perfecting, it and, then you

(43:50):
know about five, six years ago with a team of,
great co founders we spun off the company with the,
goal of, commercializing filing patents, mass producing it, getting regulatory
approval things that you really you got to do it in. The,
CORPORATE environment.

Speaker 7 (44:07):
Yeah i have to Point Out that rizzy lab is
a gear, Heart locked client so thank you very.

Speaker 8 (44:12):
Much, for that no and thank you for the support.
You give us so do you?

Speaker 5 (44:16):
Have investor.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
Funding we do we benefit both from. From investor funding
so private investors and also federal government contracts have. Really helped,
us you know de, risk the technology, manufacture these devices
and now we're working on doing the clinical studies necessary

(44:37):
to get clearance for our DEVICE.

Speaker 8 (44:40):
For the fda.

Speaker 5 (44:42):
So how many lives do you think you can save?
In a year have you?

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Done the calculation so just to give, You, an idea
well one hundred and thirty four thousand people die from
stepsis every day and roughly, eleven million annually and eighty
percent of those deaths are prevent entable if if the sepsis,
is detected.

Speaker 7 (45:03):
Early why don't they just test at the hospital you?
Know more often.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
Very good question so when you go, to the, Er
they do but but it's only after, you've been admitted
and you know you need a flipotomus to come and
take a full tube of blood and pat send that. Onto,
the lab now some rs are very fast and can.
Do it quickly but but if you go to like
a major hospital, that's really crowded the lab.

Speaker 8 (45:31):
Is backed up that. Can take hours and.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
And so the reason not to ask your question, answer, Your,
question why well wouldn't it help just to measure your
white blood cell count, Once, a yere well you do
that already for your like, your, Physical exam right but
but sepsis is something that just appears very quickly and it.

Speaker 8 (45:49):
Moves. VERY fast yeah i.

Speaker 5 (45:51):
Was kind of under the impression that anyone that got sepsist,
pretty MUCH died but i guess not everyone. That gets
it but what is? A survival rate?

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Did?

Speaker 4 (45:59):
You SAY so what i do know is roughly fifty
million cases and, Eleven million deaths so so more like one.
In five, die and, those you know, those that die
eighty percent of them could have been preventable.

Speaker 8 (46:13):
If detected early?

Speaker 4 (46:15):
What's the treatment it's an aggressive regiment of Antibiotics Infused.

Speaker 5 (46:20):
Infused maddi Javimar Professor at rutgers university and co found Of.
Riz lab health how do? PEOPLE find you. I guess
you they can Go on the rutgers site. And find
you how do you spell Your LAST. Name Java. N,
m ard so if there are any people out there
looking for like groundbreaking research your, right young student would

(46:42):
you want them?

Speaker 3 (46:42):
To?

Speaker 5 (46:43):
Contact, You absolutely absolutely so We love. What rutgers does
they are groundbreaking with their research in. So many areas
and thank, You. Very much maddie this, has been. Fascinating
my pleasure thank you for having.

Speaker 7 (46:57):
Me passage To profit with richard analyst. But pure heart but.

Speaker 5 (47:00):
Now it is time to Move On, to sofia diaz
who's been. Waiting here patiently she is an accomplished. And
multifaceted personality i'm just gonna let her tell you. EVERYTHING
she does I will say i went online on YouTube
and listen. TO her music i. Loved it great so
please tell us, What.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
You, do, Sofia oh well i'm. A fashion designer i've
created A, brand called das which is. My family name
i'm also a creator of a futuristic iwa by this under.
THE same name i would Just say that i'm extremely
blessed to be able to do so many CREATIVE things.

(47:40):
That i do i'm also very. PASSIONATE about writing i
write my Own music and i've recorded. Two studio, ALBUMS
by choice i chose to record both The Albums At Tough,
goong recording studio Which, Is, in KINGSTON jamaica and i

(48:02):
had the opportunity to work with some, of the finest
the most sought after musicians. IN the world i had
to put my mind right from the beginning and, choose
a TEAM choose who i wanted, to WORK with who
i wanted, on MY team and i was very fortunate
to have had the opportunity to Work With, mister clive

(48:23):
hunt who is one of the top music producers. In
THE industry and i also wanted To Work, with shane
brown who engineered and remixed, both my albums and the
rest of the team were just. Fantastic bullet proof the
first album would not have been possible without the emotional

(48:46):
and Moral Support of Clive Hunt AND shane brown i.
WAS going through i was put into a rather. Challenging
position situation. At that time THE home that I lived
In bucktown in chicago. WAS under foreclosure i had a
few dollars and a few cents in. My bank account

(49:06):
everything else was forssibly taken away from me. In what
way the person who was closest to me was a
former space who had planned my demise with great strategy
in such A way where i mean this is all,
documented BY attorneys where i. Had two choices one was

(49:29):
to really go and end MY life because, i had
nothing and or the other was to ask, people for
support ask people for help to give me dignity to
stand up and. Work AND survive and i was responsible
for four other people in my life. At that time

(49:51):
my adopted three cats, and a large beautiful one hundred
and sixty, five Pound, dog mister santos who. WAS with
me i adopted him since he was. A baby boy
so essentially the writing style of the album comes from,
real life circumstances real life challenges where you don't know

(50:13):
what's going to happen to. You your life my life
was in the hands. OF another person, I was terrified.
I WAS frightened perhaps I felt like i was a
victim just for, a FEW hours but i could not
be in that. Frame of mind it would. Have BEEN
futile so i had to very very quickly get myself

(50:37):
together and just move on to. The next day and
the next day it was survival. OF the fittest i
sold my grandmother's piano to have money, TO buy groceries i,
sold my handbags my personal belongings to strangers just to be.

(50:58):
Able To survive and i'm talking about buying groceries a. Bottle,
of water.

Speaker 5 (51:05):
Well that sounds like a tremendous thing to, come back from.
But YOU have but i did want to ask you.
About your designs are you selling those? To, THE public.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Yes i am where are?

Speaker 5 (51:15):
You selling them.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
It's essentially online but as for the next, month or
so my website Is offline so vie in the. Process
of reconstructing.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
So do you Have?

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Them?

Speaker 5 (51:26):
On amazon yes my Books.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Are on amazon so.

Speaker 5 (51:30):
What is your website going to be called when?

Speaker 3 (51:32):
It's BACK online sophia. Ds, dot, COM okay.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
Yeah I saw. YOUR instagram page i was really excited
to look at YOUR glasses. That i wear is that
for people that? Need prescription classes or do? You have,
readers and.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
No it's purely. A fashion accessory IT has caught uv.
FORTY some protection i essentially designed those FOR myself because
i play A lot of, I play cricket i play
tennis almost, EVERY other day, i play squash, so, you know,
perpetually you know. Very active lifestyle so and the design

(52:13):
of the ire covers. Your entire face i've won those
glasses throughout all of my. Official, music videos.

Speaker 5 (52:21):
Yeah those are nice if you're gonna to protect your
eyes and the skin around, your.

Speaker 7 (52:25):
Eyes.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
ESPECIALLY absolutely yeah i got to work with some tremendous
people making. BOTH those albums i Worked With, director walt lovelace.
Who's a Genius he's From, trinidad and tobago And We
filmed Plugged in And blanche Chere beach In. TRINIDAD and
tobago i Worked with all trinidadian team who were just

(52:49):
absolutely fabulous and we have so many memories and, in
THE future if i Ever work In, trinidad and tobago
that's the Same team that i'm going to.

Speaker 10 (53:00):
Be.

Speaker 7 (53:00):
Working, with great so do you have more plans for
more albums, in the? Future more books sort of what's?
Next for you What's.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Next for sophia is just keep on, paying it forward being,
a good person just help a lot of people. Along
the way.

Speaker 7 (53:17):
Talk a little bit. About your books why don't you tell?
Us about those what are their titles and what. Are,
they about well.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
My first book, that could published Which Is, on amazona's
sabbio a culinary journey and it captures it's not just
a book you know about recipes and you add caaienne
pepper and bell peppers and. Make this dish it is
actually a love story with me and food and all
of the various countries that have traveled and The people

(53:44):
that i've met all. ACROSS the world i Learned to,
cook iranian, food for example from My neighbors In london
And hyde park gate and all of My, journeys THROUGH
mozambique where. I met fisherman i paid. Him twenty dollars
he and his wife taught me how to cook fish

(54:06):
On a, beach mozambique, style you know with local herbs
and and. SOF food spices i attended Culinary, school In, Italy, In, Sardinia, Paris, Switzerland,
england india thailand almost all.

Speaker 7 (54:25):
Over the world so what experience did you have that
made you? Want to cook is it just that you
enjoy eating or is? IT something more.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
I love eating good fruit and growing up, in boarding,
school you know we didn't have much of. A culiny
experience and, after BOARDING school when i, would go home
my MOTHER could not i mean she's, a fantastic mother
but she could not boil. An egg either the egg
would explode or it was under, it was UNDERCOOKED and

(54:57):
SO i would i. Started saving money, and you know
studying culinary is. An expensive, business you know you're, paying
for food you're, paying for professionals you're paying for a
hotel or a, place to stay flights and so on.
And so forth but it was. A good investment i.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
Think that's fascinating so you have a. Book on cooking
what was your? Other book about.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
The other book was about a short chapter IN my
life i think that lasted for about seven, to Ten
Years called blondie proof And translated into English, it's CALLED
bulletproof where i survived a loaded gun aimed at my
head and at my dog in the sanctity, of my

(55:42):
home in my kitchen by a person who was, closest
to me, A former spouse, AND you know i don't like,
to relive it but it's, in the past and the
past does NOT define. Who i am but the book talks,
about how, PEOPLE some people I mean that forouba's spouse.

(56:02):
Was not alone he had a, team of people and
they dedicated several years of their lives to. Completely ANNIHILATE
me and i wouldn't know how people have that in them,
to you know completely annihilate. Another human being do you?

Speaker 7 (56:21):
Feel? Safe.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
NOW absolutely absolutely. I learned that you know when you
talk about what you've been through and you stand up
and you, have good people good friends all over the
world just knowing what, you've been through and it. Was
very evident, it wasn't hash it was in the face.
Of the, WORLD so no i feel ABSOLUTELY safe. WHEREVER

(56:44):
i go.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
I feel like some people are very angry people and
they have to find a target.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
For, Their ANGER absolutely and i was a target.

Speaker 5 (56:57):
And you became the target. FOR these people i feel
like petitians are the target for a, Lot of people
like the other side is the target for this free
floating anger that they don't know what their anger about
or where. To put, it so yeah it kind of
sounds like. That's what happened you just met the wrong
people that just had this, anger, and decided oh she's
going to, be our target which is. Horrible for.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
You it was and what was even really horrible was
that my then former spouse was involved with one of
our employees who had. Secretly taped him and this is
in the book and in The. Movie script bulletproof the
employee had secretly taped my, then former spouse and there

(57:40):
were twenty two tapes Just Like how puff diddy or whatever,
His Name, Is sean. Combs it's similar and this young
intern And employee of fosten was blackmailing my former spouse
and even, EVEN you know i was getting calls. From

(58:02):
ANONYMOUS people if i wanted to see those. Twenty, two
tapes well.

Speaker 5 (58:08):
This sounds like a. REALLY good book i had. To, get, It,
wow yes wow it's.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
A True, story my yes my phone. CALLS were monitored i,
CHANGED my telephone, i BELIEVE twice and i would still,
get phone calls AND you KNOW i would i would
get a no caller idea or Sometimes a local, chicago
phone call and the, Person, would SAY, hi miss ds
you've just entered your home and parked your car. In

(58:35):
the garage i'm right outside The corner on Courtland. At
the starbucks would you like. To meet me i've got
twenty two tapes of your spouse on Them In the
city state hotel, and room number and we are asking
for two. HUNDRED thousand dollars i went. TO the police

(58:58):
i talked to THE attorney AND i said i have
no desire to. SEE those tapes i mean no wife
would want to see her Husband, in, her god lowners what's?
On THE tapes but i was told what was. On
the tapes and it, Didn't. Stop that elizabeth. It went
on the, person, would say, well you know we are

(59:22):
going to give this to your competitors in. The business
realm and it was sad, and you know you just
frightening that people were monitoring your move.

Speaker 5 (59:36):
Right and what they would, do, For money, right it's
like How could.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
You it was A web of i. WAS caught up i.
WASN'T caught up i was placed in a web. Of
dangerous minds money, was, the extortion manipulation and blackmail was
the name.

Speaker 5 (59:54):
Of the game and did you make a movie?

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Out of that? Did? You say yes the book was
turned in to a movie script based on. Real life facts.

Speaker 5 (01:00:04):
As the, movie, come, OUT yeah oh novi.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
In the process, of you know getting the right partners
on board as investors and going, to that draught.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
It sounds like. A great movie my life.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Was extremely in a very, dangerous PLACE then and i.
KNEW the, PLAYERS i mean i need the lady who
was who had made these. Twenty two tapes she was one.
Of our, employees of course the main staff those tapes was,
a former spouse and then various other people WERE involved
and i knew.

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
All, of them wow that's a great teaser. For your
book so your Book.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Is On amazon Blondie Proof. By Sophia dias.

Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
Sophia diaz is an accomplished. AND multifaceted personality i listened to.
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Our special guests can dash out or almost to the end.
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Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
YOU can share i think the number one characteristic you
need as an entrepreneur is. Resilience and grit And actually
hearing sophia's story reminded me. Further about this THERE'S a
quote i like actually From The. Movie rocky, balboa he
says it ain't about how, Hard you hit it's about

(01:03:43):
how hard.

Speaker 8 (01:03:43):
You can get hit.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
And, Keep moving forward, AND you know i THINK that's
something i personally have to remind myself of every day
because not, as an entrepreneur not every day feels, like
you're winning and, you have, to you know get back
up and keep punching your way through, and, You know,
eventually god willing.

Speaker 5 (01:04:04):
You'll, make, it sophie yeas do you have a secret?
YOU can share i.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Believe you know the secret is for me choosing THE
people that i want. To work with i've been very
fortunate to have built relationships and business for the Last twenty,
five patty years and it's my characteristic to work with
the Same people, where i've built unsustained and maintained and nourished.

(01:04:31):
Fantastic work, relationships for me it has always, been the
people THE people that i choose, to work with THE
people that i intentionally choose. To work with it helps
build a safe environment for ME, as a ceo as
a founder. Of a company, AND you know i cherished

(01:04:52):
THOSE relationships when I started das i had little money
and i launched My, Company, in Milan italy and i'm
still in touch with those very people and. The factory
owners so having those relationships but people is the most
important for me as an entrepreneur and.

Speaker 7 (01:05:12):
As, a businesswoman absolutely it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Cannot buy.

Speaker 7 (01:05:15):
RELATIONSHIPS that's great i think that. That's super important.

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
That Is Important, SO richard gerhart i.

Speaker 7 (01:05:22):
Think my secret this week is going to be try
not to have. TOO many, secrets i, mean it's true
though the more we. Can be transparent there's not. A
perfect transparency i don't think that, That's really achievable but,
especially with relationships if you can be transparent and authentic

(01:05:43):
then and not, have any secrets then. THAT'S very helpful
i think.

Speaker 5 (01:05:48):
Mine is a Little. BIT like maddie's i think you
just have to keep doing what you're doing and just
keep going. On and on we've been. Doing this show
it's almost seven years now that we've been, doing this
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was difficult but we, kept doing it and we've, kept
doing it and things take a long time to, Really

(01:06:09):
BLOSSOM sometimes and i think our show's getting onto a.
Whole other, level you know. We got syndicated that was
a big, deal FOR us but i feel like we're
going into almost a whole nother realm with the social
media marketing we're doing in the things that we're learning and.
The YouTube stuff, but most people, some people can but
most people are not going to. Be successful overnight so
you just have to keep going and keep going and

(01:06:31):
just know it could take. A long time that, is
my secret.

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