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And welcome back to the program. I'm Zev Brenner. It's
a great treat I can't believe how fast time flies.
It seems like only yesterday we had IDF combat veteran
Benjamin Anthony on our program. But it's been quite a
bit of time, but he's been busy, Sir. Four stints
in the Israeli Army. Actually, he was just came back
from God which was his fifth stint in the Israeli Army.
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He's internationally recognized as a giving policy briefings to the administration.
You can see him on different television stations around the country,
quoted quite awfully. He's also the CEO of the Murrayam Institute.
They do some amazing work and bring some fascinating speakers
to educate the public and officials about the Israeli American
military connections. So welcome back to the program. Thank you
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for joining us.
Speaker 11 (07:50):
Yeah, it's good to see you, Zevan. Last time we met,
i'd probably had a full head of her. I don't know,
it's not long ago. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 14 (07:57):
It's good to see you.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Good to see you too.
Speaker 14 (08:00):
Act.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I always like getting personal when we start the beginning. Now,
you've dedicated yourself because you didn't have to serve in
Gaza recently, but you did, and your community is rarely
military and committed to really helping our people. You grew
up in Leeds in England. Tell us about your background
growing up and what motivates you to keep doing what
you're doing.
Speaker 11 (08:18):
Yeah, So, first of all, I want to make it
very very clear that there are many, many thousands, tens
of thousands, even hundreds of thousands of soldiers who have
done precisely what I just did during my service in
a great, great deal beyond. So I just want to
contextualize my recent tour of duty inside the Gaza Strip
for what it was. I was born and raised in
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the UK. I'm one of seven children, and I was
raised in the city of Leeds, which is in the
northeast of the country. Very small Jewish community then even
smaller now, many of them having moved to London, which
is the capital cities you know, far more vibrant Jewish community,
or have made alia and moved away from the UK
(09:00):
to other countries. Now, when I was fourteen years of age,
I was commuting daily with three of my siblings to
the nearest Jewish high school to the town in which
I grew up. So I grew up in Leeds nearest
Jewis high schools in the city of Manchester, and on
one particular morning, at about eight thirty in the morning,
I and my three siblings were siblings were viciously, viciously
(09:24):
attacked by a group of seven anti Semitic men. It's
important to note that there were men. They were not teenagers,
they were not youths. There were men, and they proceeded
to beat my older brother Jonathan to such an extent
that he was hospitalized and in short order he had
(09:46):
to undergo three liver transplants in the space of a
single week. In fact, the damage that they caused to
Jonathan's health was so longstanding that in September of twenty
twenty I learned that he had to undergo a fourth
liver transplant, which was successfully undertaken later that year. So
(10:07):
while Jonathan is alive today, and he's married today, and
he has children today, he's never known a day of
good health since that moment.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
And that was terrible. What year was that?
Speaker 11 (10:19):
That was in nineteen ninety four, And so that was
my introduction to physical de hatred, and surely thereafter several
years thereafter I obviously enrolled in my studies at the
University of Manchester in the northwest of England. I saw
the absolute uniformity that lined up there, from the professor
(10:40):
to the student, from the professional to the layman, from
the elected official to the voter behind the idea that
the State of Israel had no right to defend itself
in the face of what was taking place at that time,
which was the Second Intifada. So regardless the number of
basses that were turned into killing fields, regardless the number
of Israelis who were murdered by these homicide bombings launched
(11:04):
by Palestinian Arabs in the course of undertaking the perfectly ordinary,
regardless of everything that Israel was facing, no right was
afforded to the state and the people of Israel in
the mindset of the British public, for them to defend themselves,
for them to protect themselves. And so I looked on
(11:24):
at that I knew there was no future for Anglo Jewry.
That's what I took from that experience, because the students
will be policymakers, of course, and they were virulently anti Israel.
And so I moved to Israel. I moved there in
no small parts, specifically to fight, specifically to fight in
the Israel Defense Forces. And I had the privilege of
(11:45):
serving as a combat soldier in the Second Lebanon War,
then Operation Pillar of Defense in twenty twelve, Operation Protective
Edge in twenty fourteen, and latterly in Operation Swords of
Iron inside the Gaza Strip.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Wow, so that really changed your life. Were you badly
beaten as well?
Speaker 14 (12:04):
I was.
Speaker 11 (12:04):
I was very badly beaten. I remember it very vividly.
How old were you were there? I was fourteen, So
I remember it vividly. As you ask me, I can
almost feel the blows to my head, that blows to
my abdomen, the blows to my back. I was knocked down.
I was knocked down to the ground. I was stamped upon,
(12:27):
I was kicked, I was beaten, but I did not
lose consciousness unlike my older brother. My older brother was
more severely beaten and he lost consciousness, and so it
was completely defenseless. And at the end of that attack,
I actually had to lift up my older brother in
my arms and quite literally carry him to the school gates,
(12:47):
from where he was promptly whisked away to a nearby hospital.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
And were they shining anti Smitic slogans as they were
beating you?
Speaker 14 (12:54):
Yeah, they absolutely were.
Speaker 11 (12:56):
And it's important for people to know that these were
seven white men. A lot of people who think about
anti Semitic attacks might think that one would emanate from
a different demographic.
Speaker 14 (13:06):
These were seven.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
White men and none Mauslem.
Speaker 11 (13:10):
They were not Maslem, Nope, and they were screaming anti
Semitic epithets towards as they actually said that they were
going to kill my brother. The leader of the gang
instructed his followers not to stop until Jonathan was dead.
That was the intent with which they left their home
that morning. They set out early, almost like a sunrise attack,
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to go and find a group of Jews and to
dispatch one of them from the earth. And the one
that they had designated for that purpose was my brother Jonathan.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I assumed that none of them were ever.
Speaker 14 (13:44):
Caught, so they were a court.
Speaker 11 (13:46):
They were caught, some of them were caught, some of
them were prosecuted, and I think your listeners will be
interested to know that the punishment meeted out for them
was to pay a two hundred pound fine over the
course of two years. No, it's no jail time, no
jail time, nothing of the sort. And that is the
(14:07):
lot of being a Jew in in England.
Speaker 14 (14:08):
I believe.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Is that typical that in a hate crime we're beating
up people that all you do is pay a small fine.
Speaker 11 (14:15):
I can't speak to what's typical. It's not an issue
that I particularly follow. I know well that my parents
did not want us to be engaged in a trial,
and so we didn't play any role in that trial.
But obviously it's a completely, completely unsatisfactory outcome.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Now, your grandfather was a chief of the rabbinical court.
Speaker 11 (14:37):
Correct, Yes, my father's father was then he was the
head of the rabbinic court over there, serious fellow, it
doesn't make me anything those ever.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Well, you grew up in an ultra orthodox community correct
or very family.
Speaker 11 (14:51):
I wouldn't say ultra orthodox, but very orthodox or so
very traditional in the in the stricter sense of the
term not in the more liberal sense of the term
of traditional. And Judaism continues to inform my life and
my policy outlook to this day and certainly my actions.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
But that beating that you took motivated you mouda Israel
and become part of the Israeli devents forces where you
were connected with this very day very much.
Speaker 10 (15:15):
So.
Speaker 14 (15:16):
It's you.
Speaker 11 (15:16):
No, I wasn't just running away though from Britain. Of course,
that wouldn't be accurate to say I was running towards something.
I was running toward a place that we faced three
times a day when we were davening, when we were
saying our prayers. I was running toward a place that
I was told to aspire towards. And I was running
toward a place where I felt, for me was the
(15:37):
only location on Earth where a Jew could live an
authentic Jewish existence. That was my view, it remains my
view for me, without casting any aspersions on any Jews
who live elsewhere, and I'm very, very thankful that I
was able to do so.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Did this have any impact that your parents continued wanted
to stay, continue to live there, any impact as far
as maybe them thinking and the rest of your family thinking,
maybe England is not a place for Jews to still
still be.
Speaker 11 (16:08):
Yeah, I think I think we always knew that England
was not the ideal place for the Jewish people to be.
It's still my opinion that England is not an idea.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
But it's a long history of anti Semitism. I've done
program by thick books going back hundreds of years of
anti semitism. Look at the BBC. Even today, it may
be worse with now the Muslim population turning on Jews
in England. So you have not only the good old
fashioned Jew haters that are white part of Nazi groups
and some of those organizations, but now you have another factor,
(16:40):
which is the Muslim groups that haters rong, hate Jews
and beat them up as well.
Speaker 11 (16:43):
Yeah, and to tie those themes together, the theme of
my parents with the Islamification of Britain. A lot of
people incidentally talk about an immigration crisis in Britain. It's
not an immigration crisis. The average brit is not fearful
about those who moved to Britain from Poland, example, or
from Romania. They're fearful not about immigration. They're fearful about
(17:05):
the Islamification of Britain. And because in addition to the
anti Semitism that's brought into Britain by way of this
steady influx, really in unchecked infleut of Muslim immigrants to
the country, what else is.
Speaker 14 (17:21):
Brought there is votes.
Speaker 11 (17:22):
They're a very significant voting block and they do not
vote in favor of the Zionist cause and surprisingly, and
so what that means is politicians who are opportunistic will
bend to the whims of their constituents and their voters
that means there's not a bright political future for Anglo
jury and because of that part in twenty seventeen, when
(17:44):
Jeremy Corbyn, an unmasked, double dyed and repentant Jew hater,
was atop the Labor Party running to become Prime Minister,
my parents looked on and said, you know, we don't
think that there is a possibility of a vibrant Jewish
life going forward, whether Corbin wins or not this time around,
someone with his views will one day win. We may
(18:05):
not be able to move later, so let's get on
with it and move to Israel. And they Now both
of my parents live in the city of Madi in
which is equidistant from Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. And I
also have three other siblings who moved to Israel and
served and fought in israel Defense forces, including my sister Lauren,
my brother Raphael, and my other brother Alexander. And Alexander,
(18:28):
the youngest of the seven children, actually was very involved
in the fiercest fighting that took place during this war,
during Operation Swords of Iron, as a tank driver in
the city of Jaballi and the city of Canunish.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Your service is unpeccable by the way after that attack
was their protection? What did you you continue going to school?
What means was used to give you protection that shouldn't
happen and by a different gang?
Speaker 14 (18:56):
Nothing?
Speaker 11 (18:56):
There was nothing there at all, although I think that
though there was never an attack like that that occurred.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Again, what it did to us.
Speaker 11 (19:05):
Remember, my oldest brother at the time was sixteen, My
youngest brother must have been around eleven years of age
something right around there. What it did was it turned
us from children to adults, but scarred adults, not physically,
but scarred understanding that there was evil in the world,
understanding that this evil would pursue Jews, and understanding that
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we as Jews would be the targets of that pursuit.
And so it changed our outlook. It changed our worldview irreversibly.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
So were they members of a Nazi group, a hate group,
or just plain good old fashioned Jew haters?
Speaker 14 (19:42):
I think probably the latter, probably the latter.
Speaker 11 (19:45):
But as I say, I never had any interaction with
them other than there as they were beating my brother
and then as they continued to beat me. So what
I know about them is very limited, only what they
told me, which was that they had left their home
with the intention of killing agu.
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Speaker 3 (25:01):
How our guest is IDF combat veteran Benjamin Anthony originally
from England beaten and that helped him move to Israel
where he now fights for the Jewish people. Does a
great job. Just came back from Gaza where he served.
He's a CEO of the Miriam Institute. They do amazing work.
And also you can watch him on TV and he
also briefs Congress and speaks about the military connection between
(25:23):
United States and Israel. You must be happy that Donald
Trump run the presidency. Does that mean a little better
Israeli American military relationship?
Speaker 11 (25:32):
Well, I think that when you have a situation whereby
there is open talk about an embargo on weapons supplies
to the Israel Defense Forces to the States of Israel,
when you have a resolution tabled by Bernie Sanders, a
Jew certainly in name but by no means in attitude,
(25:53):
where he is seeking to end the supply of offensive weapons,
particularly particular grade of tank shells to the Israel Defense Forces,
and you have eighteen senators within the Democratic party supporting
that resolution. I think that people need to look at
the situation and understand that there is a problem of
(26:14):
anti Semitism in that party, that there is a problem
of anti Zionism in that party, and I believe that
it's a growing problem. It's not thorough across the party
by any means, not by any stretch. For example, John
Fetzman of Pennsylvania is a great friend of Israel, just
as one example.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
But Richard tourist Carrie'spin in New York also wonderful example
another one.
Speaker 14 (26:39):
Yeah, but it's a growing trend.
Speaker 11 (26:41):
And the reason it's a growing trend and it's going
to continue, in my opinion, is that all of this dross,
all of this mistaken worldview, all of this bigoted attitude
towards Israel, is being inculcated within the students during their time,
during their times at university on too many liberal arts
campuses across the United States of America, and the timeline
(27:02):
between graduating university and running for public office in the
United States has become very, very truncated.
Speaker 14 (27:09):
Of late.
Speaker 11 (27:10):
It used to be that a congressman or a Senator
might be an individual, distinguished looking fellow with graying hair
or white hair, and one of those fabulous American quiffs.
But that's no longer the case. These are people in
their twenties and their thirties. Very often they're being educated
in environments hostile towards Israel, hostile toward the Jews, and
of course that is going to permeate the halls of
(27:32):
elected office.
Speaker 14 (27:32):
And we've seen that happening.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Now, you've spoken a more than four hundred and fifty
campus around the United States. Is a hard of you
to speak today after October seventh because the climate has
gotten so much worse.
Speaker 11 (27:47):
I don't think it was ever easy. I mean, I
remember going to campuses.
Speaker 14 (27:51):
Looks zev.
Speaker 11 (27:52):
I want your listeners to understand what's going on in
the university campuses is something about which I have been
warning since least two thousand and seven on American campuses. Now,
the reason that I saw the rot set in on
American campuses was not because I'm some sort of luminary.
Far from it. The reason that I saw the rot
setting in was that I had seen it all before
(28:15):
in the United Kingdom. I'd seen it wash through British
campuses and like for like, incident for incident the same
was taking place on American campuses when I started to
lecture there, as I say, as early as two thousand
and seven, two thousand and eight, and I sounded the alarm,
and I talked about Middle Eastern money that was washing
its way through American campuses. I talked about far left
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liberal policies that were antithetical towards Zionism, towards the States
of Rael, even towards the people of Miderl and Dare,
I say, were actually antithetical to the American set of
ideals and ideology. So I bore witness to all of that,
and by twenty twelve, certainly by twenty fourteen, when I
would travel to your American campuses to speak, I had
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to go with two bodyguards. I would bring one who
was a former Navy seal from Israel, Israeli commando, and
I would bring one who was a former commando in
the Air Force commandos in Israel, and we would have
to coordinate with the local police. And it was never easy,
it was always necessary, and we were never sheltered off
any campus. We were protested vigorously, but every event always
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went forward. So much to be today, No.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
It's important to speak out now. By the way, part
of the problem is and all these world colleges not
only affect non Jews, A lot of Jews have been
affected by it. I remember doing a program before the
Passover holiday where they had workshops for parents who love Israel.
How do you deal with work kids who come back
to the Passover saya waits or how do you have
(29:46):
a say it together? You have Christian kids who are
the Evangelicals love Israel, but their kids are becoming pro
Palestinian because of the college campuses. To a certain degree,
we have a major problem.
Speaker 11 (29:59):
It's a huge problem. It's a major problem. And incidentally, firstly,
in response to that, I don't think that those campuses
are worthy of hosting the kids of good parents. I
think that these kids, these high school kids who are
about to start their university careers, should be sent to
other institutions. If the institution cannot demonstrate it's philosemitism, if
(30:23):
it cannot demonstrate that it will defend and protect the
rights of Jewish students to be Jewish on campus, then
those campuses should be deemed unworthy of hosting those kids
by their parents. I will also tell you that after
we went to campuses across the United States of America.
When I say we am referring to the Miriam Institute
that I co founded together with Rosita Panini, when we
(30:47):
started going to the campuses and really seeing that the
rot had set in, as they say, from the route
to the fruit, something which we saw demonstrating during that demonstrator,
during that infamous congressional hearing where the the heads of
Harvard and MIT and Penn were unable to return whether
(31:08):
or not calling for GHAD was against the code of
conduct of those institutions. When we saw that setting in,
we made a very hard turn and we started to
actually invest our resources in working with and partnering with
the United States Military academies, including at West Point, including
the US Air Force Academy, including at Annapolis, including at
senior military countries like Virginia Military Institute. And that's where
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we put our focus. Because every single cadet is guaranteed
to become an officer, is guaranteed to go on to
a position of leadership for a minimum of five years,
and many of them for far longer than that, is
very likely to seek a life of public service beyond
their military careers. And we actually fund tours for fifty
(31:52):
delegates at a time from these US military academies to
the death camps in Poland, where they spend three to
four days under our all spices, learning about the horrors
that befell the Jewish people doing the third Ride, and
then we bring them for twelve to fourteen days strategy
and policy tour of the States of Israel. And as
a consequence of the success of that initiative, we now
(32:16):
do the same for active officers who are ranked from
captain to colonel. We bring them to Israel for a
slightly briefer tour of the States of Israel, and all
of them learn about Israel's strategic and policy considerations.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Maran, let me focus just a few minutes more, and
then Murray Minster, you'll get some great speakers. I went
to an event you had a number of years ago
with Mike Pompeo. You have the very prominent people, and
you're doing another event coming up with some very nice,
diverse group of very important people. Tell us about it.
Speaker 14 (32:49):
Yeah, thank you very much.
Speaker 11 (32:50):
And what we wanted to do this year was something
a little bit different for our annual regional conference. We
wanted not to bring commentators or elected officials necessarily, but
rather people who had been in the arena who were
able to tell you firsthand what the situation is as
it is and how things are in reality, not how
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we would like things to be. So on Tuesday December
the tenth, that is Tuesday, December the tenth, at six
pm in Midtown, we are going to be hosting the
following speakers. We will have moussab Hussein Yusef, otherwise known
as San of Ramas or the Green Prince. He will
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be speaking to us about the true nature of Ramas,
the enemy that we're fighting inside the Gaza Strip and
indeed in Judea and Samaria. We'll also be hearing from
Al Mog meyeo Jian, who was one of the hostages
rescued by the Israeli security forces from inside the Gaza Strip.
I believe al Mog spent approximately eight months in captivity
(33:56):
inside Gaza. Our organization worked with his mother for for
that period of time, and now we're very pleased to
be bringing El Mag to talk about his conditions in
captivity and his hopes for the future. And we'll also
have Boris Stunder, who is a former IDF soldier who
fought valiantly inside the Gaza Strip at the beginning of
(34:17):
this war. He lost a number of friends while he
was operating there as a soldier, and he also unfortunately
had his leg amputated above the knee. And he is
now going to speak about the price that he had
had to pay and his ambition and ambitions for the future.
And finally we will be having someone who most people
(34:40):
might think is a common leator, but I actually think
he's a thought shaper. And referring to Brett Stevens, the
opinion columnist at the New York Times, Brett is going
to be giving his view of the sweep and the
overview of anti Semitism at this moment in the United
States of America. So it's really an exceptional lineup, and
people can purchase tickets for that. There are different tiers.
(35:03):
They can purchase those tickets via our website. It's www.
Dot mirm Institute dot.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Better because people going to think it's mirrorm, but it's
very Yam.
Speaker 11 (35:15):
So yeah, thank you very It's M for mother Meryam
why in the middle, So it's www. Dot mirm Why
in the Middle? M I r y a M Institute
dot org. They can purchase their tickets. Now there's also
a VIP section where people can meet with some of
the speakers that I would invite everyone listening to join us.
(35:38):
It will be an incredible event, highly authentic conversation, probably
adjulting conversation, but one that's very much worth having.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Its very important. I hope to be there, and I
read you're about to go and participate. I'm curious. Why
do they called Mr Yam I know Yamin c but
as opposed to Mirryam with and I wish how most
people spell it, so don't people get confused.
Speaker 11 (36:00):
So we call it Miriam because you know you when
you anglicize the name Miriam, it can sometimes lose meaning.
It can sometimes to use that word I just mentioned
a moment ago, it can sometimes become bereft of its authenticity.
But we also we also spelled it Miriam because we
wanted to be faithful to the name and its dual meaning.
(36:21):
Miriam is spelled in a brit memories, you'd meant and
that also spells mirim, which means to elevate. And the
goal and the ethos of the institute is to elevate
the dialogue and discussion about the state and the people
of Israel, and never to allow it to be denigrated
and to reach the depths that we oftentimes see public
(36:43):
discourse plumbing at this time.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Now, you just came back from Gaza, and you're a
military person, so I want to ask you this question.
There have been reports here saying the reason why Israel
has had so many casualties in Gaza because their hands
were tied, were because they wanted to play America and Europe.
So instead of sending drones or knocking down buildings, we
(37:05):
sent actual troops in there, and that's where it lost
the casualties. I like you to comment on that.
Speaker 11 (37:11):
What I can tell you is definitively the case is
that the war has been protracted beyond what it needed
to be as a consequence of repeated impediments placed upon
Israel and the IDEF by the Biden administration. There was
a good start to this war by the Biden administration,
(37:32):
the fact that the President came to Israel and stood
with the Prime Minister and absolutely without qualification or any
dilution of his message, called the Ramas slaughter exactly what
it was. It got off to a positive start, but
as is the nature of war, things became more complicated.
(37:52):
In the battlefield, things became more complex, and the American
response to that became ever more simplicit and disconnected from reality.
For example, telling Israel not to go into rafa was
a huge, huge mistake from suggesting that Israel might require
four months to evacuate the population from from Rafaah, where
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in actual fact it just took a number of days.
Speaker 14 (38:18):
I think it took twelve days for us to do.
Speaker 11 (38:20):
So all of that drew out the war, and when
you draw out a war, it leaves your soldiers static
for longer. A military needs to either be moving forward
or moving backward. It must not be static until it's
pacified a particular area. And so in that context, we've
played a greater price, made a tremendous price, and it's
(38:42):
very important therefore that we put on win this war
and make sure that all of those heart wrenching sacrifices
actually do end up proving to have been made in
the pursuit of a victory over Hamas, a victory over Palaestiny. Islamics,
you had a victory over Rizabella and the pacifying of
our borders forever.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
But you're a military person. Can Israel really eradicate Hamas?
Speaker 11 (39:08):
Yes, it can, of course absolutely. Now it doesn't mean
that we will eradicate a mindset. That's not the goal though,
of this war. That's something that the media has spanned
as being the.
Speaker 14 (39:20):
Goal of the war.
Speaker 11 (39:21):
The goal of the war is very very clear that
there are of course two prongs to it. The first
is to with regard to the Gaza Strip. The first
is to destroy Ramas's ability to operate as a terror army.
We're well on the way to achieving that. We've dismantled
the various battalions and we are continuing to take the
fight to them. And the other is to bring our
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hostages home. We're part way toward that, still too far
away from realizing.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
I'm surprised they haven't used the rewards I know we
had on the one of the founders of Soda Stream
North for one hundred thousand dollars. I know the Prime
Minister offer the thing the millions of dollars for any
information bring hausages home. As far as I know, has
that led to anything? Have you heard anything about that?
Speaker 11 (40:06):
Well, just before I answer that, I just want to
be a bit more responsive to your earlier your previous question.
The goal is not to eradicate, not to eradicate the
ideology of Hamas. That's not something that is within our
gift to do, in my opinion, And I want to
give you a contemporary example of that.
Speaker 14 (40:25):
And then you'll have to forgive me Zev.
Speaker 11 (40:27):
I have to unfortunately leave, but I very much appreciate
your time and the time of your listeners as well.
When we go to the death camps in Poland, we
go there and we lament all that we see. We
lament everything that was done and perpetrates it against the
Jews in those extermination camps. But there are others who
visit those camps and lament that Adolf Hitler's Final Solution
(40:52):
never came about. That They look on in those camps
as they tore Auschwitz, as they tore Treblinka, as they
or my Danic, and they say, look how close we were,
how imminent victory was, how proximate we were to realizing
the implementation and completion of the final solution.
Speaker 14 (41:11):
Those are what are called Nazis.
Speaker 11 (41:13):
They still exist, but what they do not have is
the ability to format and to act as a military
the way that they did have during the events of
World War II. That is what we are seeking to
do inside the Gaza strip. We will never eradicate those
who sympathize the sympathies of individuals with kamas. But if
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we've learned anything from history, it's that we can prevent
them from functioning as a coherent, effective military force, in
this case, a terror army. So I believe that can
be brought about. And I think that anybody who says
the opposite is weak hearted, weak minded, and quite frankly defeatist.
Speaker 14 (41:57):
And we can't afford to be that in Israel.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
I want to thank you IDF combat veteran Vegiman Anthony
CEO of the Murraam Institute, serve four tours in the
Israeli Army, actually a fifth one where he volunteered. You
didn't have to go to gods at this time, but
you wanted to go, correct, We all have to go, well,
but you have to go. But this difference, as you
grew up religious, a difference between being commanded to to
do admit to a non commanded You were not commanded
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and you went anyway, which is a great, great thing.
So thank you for what you're doing. Thank you for
your leadership at Murrayam Institute or everybody to attend the
events to have really fantastic events. I've been there before,
plan to go there again and look forward to having
you back again on the future broadcast.
Speaker 14 (42:38):
Thanks. Thanks for all you do the way that you
do it.
Speaker 11 (42:40):
Thanks for making me feel so welcome on your show,
and I look forward to hosting all of your listeners
as many as possible Tuesday, December tenth at our annual
Regional Brief England. As I said, they can purchase tickets
at www.
Speaker 14 (42:54):
Dot mary m M I R.
Speaker 11 (42:56):
Y Am Institute dot org.
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I hope to see them all that. Thanks for what
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And now here's your host, and we're back looking at
Israeli businesses in New York, quite a few of them.
And we're speaking with Dana da Dushev. About seven years ago,
she and her Israeli partner decided to open up a
company called rose Box where they have roses at last
for a whole year or less forever. We'll find out
(47:46):
how what it's all about. And we're also versing our
audience that we have to make sure that we know
about and support Israeli businesses, both in Israel here in
the United States. So Dana, welcome to the program. Thank
you for joining us.
Speaker 6 (47:57):
Hi Zeb, thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
So about seven years ago, you're from Israel, you have
a partner from Israel. What happened first? Did you know
your partner that you opened up this business with.
Speaker 21 (48:07):
Yeah, So I moved to New York around twelve years ago,
and seven years ago, my partner and I decided we
want to open up business. So we were looking on
beautiful products, fashionable products.
Speaker 22 (48:20):
We came across these long lasting roses.
Speaker 21 (48:23):
We thought that it's beautiful product and it's the perfect
gift to anyone, and we.
Speaker 22 (48:29):
Wanted to give it a try. So, you know, we got.
Speaker 21 (48:32):
The inventory, build the website, build a brand, and we
launched three weeks before Mother's Day. What we didn't know
is Israel is how big is Mother's Day in the US.
Speaker 6 (48:43):
So first day we.
Speaker 21 (48:45):
Turned on advertisements online, we had seventy seven orders.
Speaker 22 (48:51):
We were not ready for that.
Speaker 21 (48:54):
In three weeks we were sold out and we definitely
understood that we have a business terrific.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
And you just picked it up because you find it
was fashionable. That's how you got to do it. Yes,
So what's been some of your challenging because you're also
during the period of COVID. You had Mother's there was
a good thing, but COVID wasn't such a good thing.
How did you cope with that?
Speaker 21 (49:15):
So when they said no one can go like only
essentials can go to work, we were thinking, what are we.
Speaker 22 (49:21):
Going to do?
Speaker 21 (49:22):
And no one's going to order, everyone's going to stay
home and like not by And actually exactly the opposite happened,
and we trickled the business during COVID.
Speaker 6 (49:32):
It was amazing and.
Speaker 21 (49:34):
Mother's Day of COVID was absolutely insane because everyone wanted
to send something to their moms and make them happy,
so we had an insane amount of orders.
Speaker 6 (49:45):
So COVID was very good.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
Well, it's not easy doing business in New York. So
you're in business in New York and you know, and
this is the first time you went into business, so
it's not like you went to business school. So actually
I went you went to business school.
Speaker 22 (49:59):
Okay, Yes, my backgrount is marketing.
Speaker 21 (50:01):
I did MBA in Israel and I had another business
before which I started rose Box while I had this
business and it was marketing. So yes, it's not the
first time, but it's definitely. I told my mom, it's
like seven degrees that I did in seven years in
this business.
Speaker 22 (50:19):
There's no school that can teach you like having your
own business.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
And experience that you have, especially in New York. So
tell us again, how does technology work? So you can
buy and we've used your stuff. This stuff is fantastic.
So you buy these roses and they last pretty much forever.
Speaker 21 (50:36):
Yes, and actually in the store one of our stores,
I can show you as we speak, So these roses
are real roses.
Speaker 6 (50:46):
I'll show you here, tell me if you can see it.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
Also watching YouTube can see it. I see red, white, blue.
Speaker 21 (50:53):
So what happened is that when the roses get to
their best peak, they cut the roses or they're fresh cut,
and then they go through a preservation process, which is
dipping the rose.
Speaker 22 (51:09):
In a special liquid and then it dries.
Speaker 18 (51:13):
And this liquid is very special.
Speaker 22 (51:15):
I can make these roses to last for a very
long time. So yeah, you can see we have different colors, shapes.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
Vasis wow, beautiful, beautiful sobe I know Mother's Day is
very big, but I believe some of the Jewish holidays
are also very big for you.
Speaker 21 (51:29):
Correct, yes, so chavuatt is probably our biggest holiday, and
then Rashoshana pass over all of those holidays. It's beautiful
to have a centerpiece on the table and not worrying
about buying fresh flowers and rishabat.
Speaker 6 (51:43):
People really like this idea.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
No, it's great. And I know now especially a lot
of people want to support as Raeli businesses and I
think it's so important. You're doing something so great. How
did October seventh affect you? Whether it's personally or business wise,
may not affect you, but personally how did effec to
you and the other.
Speaker 22 (52:00):
Israelis so it made us more united.
Speaker 21 (52:03):
Were always been united like is Israeli. We find each other,
we attract each other. But since October seven, all we
wanted to do is be together and support Israel in
any way we could.
Speaker 22 (52:15):
I happened to be in Israel on October seven, but
I didn't stay long because I was with the kids
and went back here.
Speaker 21 (52:23):
But we did a lot of events, a lot of
gathering to help Israel in any way we can. It
was definitely difficult for us, specially since we served the army,
and you know, we feel like we want to be
there and actual fight, but we're here and we do
everything we can from here.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
No, No, I know you helped ship a lot of
stuff Israel too, you told me off camera as well.
Speaker 21 (52:49):
Yes, yes, we helped find spots on a lot of
flights so we can ship things that the army needed.
And we had a bunch of Galas fundraisers.
Speaker 3 (53:01):
Do you send roses?
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Is real too, I know.
Speaker 22 (53:03):
But once the peace will arrivals, then all the flowers.
Speaker 3 (53:08):
This Israeli sony thing where you instead replace the bombs
with roses, right.
Speaker 6 (53:13):
Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 18 (53:16):
Yeah, yeah, so, and.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
We always have beautiful sorpent and they last forever, which
is terrific if people want to get more from it. First,
where you located. Give the exact address.
Speaker 21 (53:26):
We're on three four three Canal Streets and right now
we also have a storm eighty first and Edison Avenue,
so you can find the addresses on roseboxanyc dot com.
Speaker 22 (53:39):
So we have two locations in New York, but we
ship all over the US.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
And of course, Peter, let's give it the internet address
as well one more time so people can find you online.
You don't have to go into the store to buy
the product. We're looking at.
Speaker 22 (53:50):
Roses box and YC dot.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
Com ROSEBOXMC dot com. Thank you for being with us.
I know that how you find the people want to
help you and patronize the store because you're Israeli. You're
an Israeli run business.
Speaker 21 (54:04):
Yes, a lot of Jewish people who come to the
store and here that I'm Israeli. They you know, we're
both becoming emotional about, you know, everything that is going on.
Speaker 3 (54:13):
So I want to thank you for being here with us.
A continuous success with Dana Deduche the stores ROSEBOXNYC dot
com and Israeli run business and you can find me.
Have the miszazza on the door so you can find
them anyway. Dana, thank you for being here with us.
Speaker 22 (54:29):
Thank you for having me.
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