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How we're back. We now present Rabbei li krimsky E,
spiritual leader of the Little Bee Synagogue, with this week's
Parsha in verse.
Speaker 12 (05:28):
Parsius Rey Mosha Abeno continues his goodbye monolog, not sure
if it was in rhyme as I've been doing in
this very synagogue. Mosha Abeno, who in by Midbar used
the imagery of a sick am Israel and he was
their nurse WARN's been a sorell of the consequences of
their actions, which will lead to either blessing or curse.
Mosha then segues into laws pertaining to the land of Israel,
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the country that would elude him. Eretisreel is particularly allergic
to any form of idolatry, and the land is to
be sanctified with certain kuki minish.
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But in the.
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Cutchem, the offerings brought on an altar due to gratitude, guilt,
or sin may only be brought in specific places via
specific processes facilitated by kohanim arown and his kin. The
turre describes how non sacrificial meat can be consumed, whether
a full fledged barbecue buffet like the wandering que or
just abissle. Thank goodness for this salaha that brings Parnassa
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to glotmart Mikes, bistro and holy Schnitzel. The Torah very
strongly condemns the consumption of blood. The Toreh commands that
we are to spill it onto the ground, which means
we rinse the flesh salted or broil it over fire,
whether foul or an animal that showed its cut. When
Amrauel entered the promised land there to stay away from
the practices of the natives who worship the skies and
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the tree and the rock. Succumbing to such peer pressure
would be an abomination.
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In a shem, it would mock.
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The Tore presents three individuals who must be avoided, the
false prophet, the seducer towards idolatry, and the city in
Israel where a majority of its inhabitants worship idols, the
Irani Dahas. These prohibitions are very severe on the individual, or,
if worse, if committed on mass. The Kosher laws are
now repeated. The laws permitting the consumption of insects, fish, fowl,
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and flesh are now heard. Chewing cuds, split hoofs and
for the meat, scales and fins for the fish, and
a strong masoa pertaining to the bird. The Tore mandates
that we are generous and charitable with our wealth. We
have several categories of charity. Aiding others in need is
a most fundamental principle and will certainly be good for
our physical and spiritual health. Myersheni are. Money is brought
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to Rushalayim and spent there, so our ruhnius can thrive.
These tithes are given in years one, two, four, and five.
In years three and six, the miser tithe is given
to those who are poor. We are always to be
sensitive to the indigen especially if they come knocking on
our door. The Tora requires us to forgive loans we
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made to poor people. Come the seventh year today, when
the laws of Schmita are rabbinic in nature, Hillel directs
us to sign a prisible which make sure we will
not hesitate to give interest free loans to each poverty
stricken peer. Although Lincoln freed the slaves, and the institution
no longer exists when it did. When the slaves finish
their indentured time, they would depart with material need and
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lavish gifts. Mosha then describes the special sanctity of the
first born among the animals and the beast. They are special,
can't be worked too hard, and it must be brought
to the altar by a cohen a priest. The Tore
that famously describes the rituals associated with the three pilgrimage festivals.
The showers regull him. The Tore describes pay second Chivuis
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and reminds us again to assure that we take care
of the Jewish poor.
Speaker 11 (08:49):
The aneem.
Speaker 12 (08:51):
Finally, the torreh reminds us about Tsukis, the festival of
booths under the stars. We are to be joyous and
to make sure that Jews who may not be as happy,
cele rate as well, looking for inner and spiritual pleasure,
not material delight such as gifts or fancy cars. The
Aftara for has y Shaia talking about Messianic times. Wealth
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will be spiritual and bliss will be approaching God as
each Jew ascends towards God, step by step as he climbs.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
And we're back. I heard his name for so many years.
Peter Himmelman. He's such a creative genius. Never had the
opportunity the privilege of interviewing until this broadcast. Now so
very pleased that Peter Himmelman joins us. He's a Grammy,
Emmy Award nominated rock and roll performers, songwrise of film composer,
Visual Artists Award winning author. He has been profiled in
the Rolling Stone Wall Street Journal, Time Magazine. He's an
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Orthodox Jew, He's so proud of that. And he also
has worked with many different universities and foundation including including
Foundation for Justice, University of Pennsylvania, etc. Peter, welcome to
the program. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 13 (09:53):
Thank you, Zella bit a fan as I said off
camera for many years, it's great.
Speaker 9 (09:58):
To be here.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Thank you. What's your Hebrew name? By the way, Mordecai?
How come you don't go on the road pass of Mordechai?
Speaker 9 (10:06):
You know, I'm telling you.
Speaker 13 (10:07):
I never gave it serious thought until recently.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
It's a beautiful name, Passi mortale it is.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
I love the name.
Speaker 11 (10:15):
And when people call me Pisu Mordecai, there's a select.
Speaker 9 (10:17):
Few that do.
Speaker 13 (10:21):
It touches me in a in a deeper place than
Peter Himmel, you know, my normal name.
Speaker 11 (10:28):
It's like a very intimate kind of call out to me.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Now you're in your book is called Suspended by No Strings,
a songwriter's reflection on faith, aliveness and wonder. You know
you're right about it in your book? Why isn't God
on the cover?
Speaker 9 (10:44):
Uh?
Speaker 13 (10:44):
Because there were many renderings of God, but they didn't
look right for me.
Speaker 11 (10:51):
Some of them had him hanging on a wooden thing.
Speaker 9 (10:54):
At some point I didn't think it was right for me.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It didn't cross your mind, didn't cross it but you
felt that God would be controversial in today's day and
age se him on the cover.
Speaker 9 (11:04):
You're talking about the word God the work.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
In other words, your book is God spirituality, about faith.
Speaker 13 (11:10):
But yeah, I didn't think it would be controversial. The
book isn't designed to do anything. I had written a
book about creativity in twenty seventeen, which.
Speaker 9 (11:24):
Had a purpose.
Speaker 13 (11:25):
It was about how to take an idea, Nason idea
and make it manifest.
Speaker 11 (11:29):
This book does not have a purpose.
Speaker 13 (11:32):
You'd ask, well, what's the purpose of one of your songs?
It's hard to say. It hopefully abuse a certain feeling.
But I wanted to make sure that the word God.
And this is I've heard from my friend sim and Jacobson,
whom I know. He says, Look, in one of my classes,
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somebody finally asked me after a year, are you talking
about God here?
Speaker 9 (11:58):
He used all sorts of youths.
Speaker 13 (12:00):
I forget what they were, because yes I am, but
don't tell the others. In other words, there's a caveat
at the beginning of the book, very at the very beginning.
Speaker 9 (12:10):
Why in a book.
Speaker 13 (12:11):
About faith and that I had to discern whether to
use the word God, because for so many people. It's
kind of a loaded term. It's not a holy word,
it's an English word. So I do wind up, of
course in the end, using God.
Speaker 11 (12:28):
All through the book. But I had to have a
setup for people.
Speaker 9 (12:33):
In my mill u.
Speaker 13 (12:34):
For example, I grew up conservative in Minnesota, which meant
we had my mom would occasionally light shabas candles.
Speaker 11 (12:42):
We were very Jewishly identified.
Speaker 9 (12:46):
But if I had started talking.
Speaker 13 (12:48):
About God at any point as a young man or
a child, I'm I'm pretty sure my mom, in trying
to be helpful, would have taken me to a psychologist.
It just wasn't part of what we knew. What we
had implicitly imbibed, was that the world was based on
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random forces, the Big Bank.
Speaker 9 (13:16):
God. It wasn't for us.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
So even though the lishapascandals, I assume you went synagogue
Russia Shana yam kipper, I.
Speaker 13 (13:25):
Went to Hebrew school. I learned how to speak Hebrew.
I went to Israel when I was eight years old.
That was literally one year after the Six Day War.
I write about that a little bit in the book.
I guess my return to observant Judaism wasn't about something novel.
Speaker 9 (13:46):
It was about returning to something that I.
Speaker 13 (13:49):
Always understood or intuited, that there's a creative force, however
you wanted to find it with a capital F. That is, literally,
the essence of creativity is creating everything, according to Hasidis,
at every moment, recreating everything.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
So let me get personal. Your rock and roll and
rock and performer, writer, songwriter not really known for being
a place for religion. So how did you connect to Judaism?
Speaker 11 (14:16):
I have to take some issue with what you're saying before.
Speaker 9 (14:19):
Yeah, I mean, I'm.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Always let me put that orthodox Judaism.
Speaker 13 (14:24):
Well, I mean, I understand the tropes about rock and
roll and the hedonism and all this stuff, but that
probably goes on it just as much.
Speaker 11 (14:34):
With real estate brokers. You know, at these conventions.
Speaker 13 (14:38):
What I have found about musicians of all sorts, rock musicians,
jazz musicians, and I play with musicians from all over
the country, all over the world, different faith, different hues,
different points of view. The idea of there being a
creative force again, if you want to use another buphemism
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for God, odd is second nature to most most musicians.
They understand from whence their abilities arrive. The best musicians
are very soulful, spiritual people. I see a guy that
sits down on a drum set, for example, the way
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that he touches his sticks, I already know how he's
going to play, how well he's going to play or
not well.
Speaker 11 (15:29):
But the ones that are really expert have this.
Speaker 13 (15:33):
Duality about them, which is one this kind of hubristic
elitist like.
Speaker 9 (15:39):
Man, you know, I understands, you know.
Speaker 13 (15:42):
And the other side is a humility of understanding that
their ability to move people to work with this non
temporal force which is music, it's it's essentially spiritual. They
understand that it derives from a higher source than they
themselves can conjured.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
So let me pace up, Mornechai, So let me ask
you this what made you this side? You were a conservative, Yeah,
your parents didn't really even though you went to Israel.
You had a strong Jewish identity, but you weren't observing
what happened thirty some years ago that you said, I
want to be orthodox. I'm going to keep kosher, even
though it's not easy being on the road traveling finding
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kosher food in the community.
Speaker 9 (16:28):
It's pretty I mean, it's a simple.
Speaker 13 (16:30):
Answer, so it's not going to be too abstract and
sim and Jacobson. What I've mentioned already three times had
so much to do with it. The first stage was
when I was to day after I turned twenty four,
my dad, who was.
Speaker 11 (16:45):
A heroic figure to me, died of lymphoma. He was
fifty four. I was twenty four the next day.
Speaker 13 (16:53):
So I was always already in a very propitious place
to think about things.
Speaker 9 (16:59):
Where does the spear it go?
Speaker 13 (17:00):
And I was always that kind of thinker, even amongst
my hedonistic activities. So a year after he died, I
moved with my rock band out to New York. I
got a record deal on Island Records. All of a sudden,
I had all this money. I was in the Rolling Stone.
I was everything that I ever dreamed of. But I
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couldn't stop thinking about my dad and things of higher
values and purposes.
Speaker 11 (17:27):
So I don't know if you've ever heard of Kenny Vance.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Sure, so he is.
Speaker 13 (17:32):
He is?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
He blacks No Kenny Vance with MTV. I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 13 (17:40):
I remember, No, you've heard his name before because he
was an original singer in Jay and the Americans, and
he was the one who was producing some demos with me.
Speaker 11 (17:53):
He was old at the time.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Was he actually produced the show. Is he Lifshitz if
you yeah, yeah, he did. He was Friday Night Live
or Saturday Night something like.
Speaker 13 (18:03):
Well, he was the music director for Saturday Night Live,
one of the original music you know, producers for that show.
He was in Woody Allen Movies. He used to date
Diane Keaton, which he told me about. He says, like this,
he was he was sent to the Ritz where we
were playing. An attorney sent him down there to give
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us feedback on our show. And he came back into
the dressing room and he's like he's tall and sort
of you know, ectomorphic like I am, and kind of gangly.
Speaker 11 (18:37):
He's handsome. And he came and he's this old guy.
He was forty years old, you know, we were twenty five.
Speaker 9 (18:44):
And he goes, I don't really.
Speaker 11 (18:47):
Know what to tell you about what I just saw.
Speaker 9 (18:50):
I'm like, here's what you have to say.
Speaker 13 (18:53):
But I instantly liked him and we became friendly and
he said, look, he mentioned Diane Keaton. He goes, but tonight,
I'm going to take you to my main connection, a
religious Jew in Brooklyn. Thinking that I would be averse
to doing something like that, but I was like Jewish,
my dad had just died.
Speaker 9 (19:14):
I'm totally in So we crossed the Brooklyn Bridge.
Speaker 13 (19:18):
He drives me in his car and we get to
Simmons Helves and this was this was thirty eight years
ago or something. Simmons beard was black and I greet
him at the door, and I already like Simmon, just
like I already like you. You know, it's sort of
like you had this instant either attraction or you're repelled.
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I was attracted to Simon. He hopped, he got it,
and I love that. Also, what was stunning to me
was his wife, Shandy was and still is so beautiful,
and like, what's the deal with this heresuit guy? Not
exactly spending time at the gym? Did he land this
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type of woman? This is where my mind was at,
And little did I know that scholarship had a lot
to do with it, you know, the eugenics program of
the jew which they can accuse us of. But we
got to talking, and Simon likes to talk. We both
are very languorous, and it got too late for Penny.
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He was tired, he was old. He went back to
far rockaway. So Simon and I are talking and this
is the seminal moment where I'd like, I'm in okay,
this is coming. He starts talking to me about I
don't know. I asked him, what are these pictures at
the Rebbie on the wall. They looked a little cultish
to me, I said, and Simon was He just was
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going with it. He wasn't defensive in the least. He goes,
look to me, he's like inspiring grandfather. Yeah, I get inspiration.
I'm like, makes sense. So then we get deep into it.
It's like now one and two in the morning. One
of those conversations. I remember my dad had just died,
so I was in a mood. My life was in flux.
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I got this giant record deal. He goes, look atsodig
couldn't do anything. It's sodig. Now I didn't quite understand
exactly the hasidic nature of what a axodig was. But
I'm thinking he's not talking about you know, you know
Bert Boumel, who can get you a deal on a car?
Speaker 9 (21:29):
What a sodig?
Speaker 11 (21:30):
He was talking about something higher. I understood that much.
Speaker 9 (21:34):
The rube that I am.
Speaker 13 (21:36):
He goes, look, asodig can do anything, And I'm looking
at the Rebbie and I put probably thinks the Rebbi
is exodig, But I said to him, oh yeah, anything
can they fly?
Speaker 9 (21:47):
And without him like he.
Speaker 13 (21:50):
Just says to me because he was in a serious mode,
and this is the sentence that put me over the
edge and probably won't do anything for anyone else.
Speaker 11 (21:57):
It was only for me.
Speaker 13 (22:00):
Look with Sadig, what's the difference of the flying thirty
forty fifty feet above the surface of the ground or
walking on the surface. What's the difference? And that to
me harken back to everything I felt about life and reality.
Speaker 9 (22:20):
What is the difference?
Speaker 13 (22:21):
How can you say that talking to Zev Brenner right
now is a mundane experience, or drinking tea or anything.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
I said?
Speaker 13 (22:31):
Is that what Judaism is about finding the miraculous nature
of existence and being astute and aware of it.
Speaker 9 (22:41):
Basically, that's it. I went out and got a talless cotton.
Speaker 13 (22:44):
The next day, I had a beautiful girlfriend who was
not Jewish, who was a dancer and a model, and
somebody that was really close to and that was the
end of all my romantic relationships.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
There right after that night you just said, I.
Speaker 13 (23:02):
Mean seriously, that was like it gave me permission because
it connected not with something that was.
Speaker 9 (23:11):
External to me, but was internal to me. It was
something that spoke to something essential about me and all
the concubines everything. I sort of said to myself, to
no one else. The next woman I'm with, I'm I'm
going to be married to. That's a huge step.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
And did that happen?
Speaker 9 (23:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Our guest is actually his real name is Paso Mordeca,
even though he was his named Peter Himmelman. He's a legend.
He's a Grammy and Emmy Award nomine rock and roll performers, songwriter,
film composer of visual artist, award winning author. He's been
profiled of major publications. He's the son in law of
the famous Bob Dylan, but he's a man in his
own right and his fascinating new book is called Suspended
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Speaker 11 (27:28):
One, and now here's your host.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Our guest is actually his real name is Paser Morca,
even though he uses his named Peter Himmelman. He's a legend.
He's a Grammy and Emmy Award nominated rock and roll performers, songwriter,
film composer, visual artist, award winning author. He's been profiled
at major publications. He's the son in law of the
famous Bob Dylan, but he's a man in his own right,
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and his fascinating new book is called Suspended by No String,
a songwriter's reflections on faithful, liveness and wonder Bob Dylan.
People always one wonder is he religious? Not religious? Right?
Doesn't that the kwandary? Don't you get that question all
the time?
Speaker 13 (28:09):
Well, you know that I've gotten this question for years, decades,
So you're you're gonna see the skillful art of evasion
right now. I'm very transparent that I'm going to do it.
I do get asked all sorts of questions, and I've
been evading the question for years, mostly because the commandment
to honor your parents holockically also goes to your share
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you know, father, and I know that he's very you know,
he's private, so like you could ask me how his
music influenced me and things like that, I'd.
Speaker 9 (28:44):
Be happy to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Do you ever perform together?
Speaker 9 (28:47):
Only once?
Speaker 11 (28:48):
On a Kabbad telethon years and years ago?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Are the one in California?
Speaker 9 (28:52):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
By the way, do you ever get together thing shaba
is mirrors together?
Speaker 9 (28:58):
It hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Well, I pray that it does. That'd be a very
interesting experience. So, you know, because he's a legendary, but
you're legendary too in your own right.
Speaker 9 (29:10):
So did his legendary in your own mind?
Speaker 10 (29:14):
No?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
No, no, listen, you're you're out there, you're and you
make a Kiddish er cheman sactification in Guard's name. I
are so profiles of you when you're on the road
and you insist on keeping kosher is not always easy
finding kosher. For today, it's better than it was thirty
years ago, for sure. Yeah, what's beening? Ther biggest challenge
being Orthodox and being in the rock and roll world.
Speaker 13 (29:32):
The fact that I have to really think about it
is a good sign. Somebody asked me recently, you know, so,
how did that affect your career not playing.
Speaker 9 (29:42):
There was certain tours.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
That we had to turn You turned down the Tonight
Show three times, right, Yeah, that's right, because it was
on Friday night, and you said, I don't do TV
on Friday night.
Speaker 13 (29:50):
One was on circus, I don't do that, but one,
you know, we eventually played the Tonight Show on another
night and eventually played Letterman and other things. The thing
made rock career difficult, and this is tangential of course
to Judaism was when my first child, who is now
thirty four or thirty five years old, Isaac Brilliant son
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of mine, was born. I was on the road for
two hundred and thirty nights and that was not sustainable.
And a record company just wants you to you know,
I'm a good live performer. That was the best marketing
that they could have. But it's like I used to
send my manager into the label to find out how
little I could play before they shut off the tap.
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Most of the managers are going in wanting tour support
and everything else. It just wasn't a sustainable life for me.
And the downside of it is the crowds that I
draw are much less now because I'm not doing the tour,
and with every everything that we do, because we find
it right and just and moral, there often is a
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price for it.
Speaker 9 (31:02):
It's not it doesn't.
Speaker 11 (31:03):
Some of these things don't come cheaply.
Speaker 13 (31:05):
So I go into a venue and there's two hundred
and fifty people instead of twenty five hundred.
Speaker 11 (31:10):
It doesn't go on my joyous side.
Speaker 9 (31:13):
On the other hand, I would never do anything differently.
I have no regrets whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Do you ever consider going the Habbat circuit or the
Orthodox circuit and performing including some maybe Hebrew songs or
combination Hebrew in English and came well? I don't how
new generation.
Speaker 13 (31:30):
Once in a while somebody will have me come to
do something, but I don't. I don't sing any Hebrew songs.
I don't know any although I love hene Montovoman Naim,
I don't know anyse mirrors. I didn't grow up with it,
and I mostly just play my songs. But here's my
ability in a Jewish context forget about in the general
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public what I and I think the book does a
good job of this too.
Speaker 9 (31:56):
I recognize that I have a very unique place.
Speaker 13 (32:01):
I understand the so called secular world very well. I'm
in place there. I understand all of it, and I
also understand very well the so called firm world and
in terms of people that can bridge those two things.
This isn't like complimenting myself, but just you know, this
(32:21):
is providential that had happened this way. I have a
very unique role to play in connecting people both ways,
this way and that way.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Which is important. Then that's why you don't do You
don't have any heberes. Maybe we can do some blends.
But I want to go back thirty eight years ago.
You meet Rabbi Simon Jacobs and you get turned on
to Judaism. So what happens? How do you become observant?
Did you go through a special training yeshivas? Who godded you?
Speaker 9 (32:50):
Help you? I never went through special training for anything.
Speaker 11 (32:56):
I never went to music school.
Speaker 13 (32:59):
I am what they call and sometimes people use this
derisively and autodidact.
Speaker 9 (33:04):
That's just me. You know.
Speaker 11 (33:07):
I have a lot of mentors and I still do
and musically and otherwise.
Speaker 13 (33:12):
Simon was certainly one of them. There's a number of
people that I go to for a lot opinions. I'm
constantly studying toro with different people. I mean, the mechanics
of how that worked. So how do you go from
one day the.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
One day you're leaving a hitter in your lifestyle. You
have a gorgeous girlfriend, as you say, now you become
observant jew overnight.
Speaker 9 (33:37):
Yes, I mean what happens is, you know, it's very talkless,
it's very practical.
Speaker 13 (33:43):
So I was apropos of Kenny Vance. I was producing
a record for him at the time in this little
studio in New Jersey, the one that I recorded at
a record which got.
Speaker 9 (33:55):
Me my deal on Island. So Kenny thought we should
go there.
Speaker 13 (33:58):
There was a Chinese restaurant next to the studio, and
I thought, well, yeah, I'm gonna just eat vegetarian there.
I'm going to order a vegetable thing on let's say,
on Tuesday. On Wednesday, I thought, well, maybe I'll just
have like rice with soy sauce.
Speaker 9 (34:18):
On Thursday. I didn't eat at.
Speaker 11 (34:20):
The restaurant at all because it wasn't kosher.
Speaker 9 (34:23):
Just like a very quick dive in.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
You.
Speaker 9 (34:27):
Yeah, it wasn't even gradual. It was like a three
or four day you know.
Speaker 13 (34:31):
I read a little bit about cashued, and it's easy
to find out even back thirty some years.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Ago, could you meet Kalba.
Speaker 9 (34:40):
I did, well, that was it. I met the Rebbe.
Speaker 13 (34:43):
I met with him first of all, after like Chavus,
you go and Koch Shobraja. And he gave me a
bottle and I didn't know what the bottles is a
bottle of vodka and all these you know, you know,
cause cinema coming up. Who's this like us Flamil is
getting a you know, like, what's his deal? And somebody
told me that it's it's it's given out to people
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who are public people like yourself.
Speaker 9 (35:09):
You would have gotten.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
About public personalities, yeah, and that you would.
Speaker 13 (35:13):
Go and you would make a little high with people
that you met on the road and elevate the conversation.
And you had to get rid of the bottle before
pays off, because you can't sell it.
Speaker 11 (35:26):
To somebody, you know, you're going to sell it to
a non Jew.
Speaker 13 (35:29):
But I got two or three bottles on two, you know,
And then I had a after Marie and I were married,
we had a sort of hate us with the Rebbee
after he'd stopped doing one on one. This was in
as he was in Schloshim for his wife who had
passed away in his house. He met with like three
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different married couples, and I can't really disclose what I
learned from him from the Rebbe at the time, I
can only say this about meeting the Rebbie my cousin
who is a genius musician.
Speaker 9 (36:06):
His name is Jeff Victor. He's one of my best friends.
Speaker 13 (36:09):
He was living with me when we moved to New
York as a band, and I would constantly say at
the time, this is like nineteen eighty four or five,
I said, Jeff, I want you to come with me
to Crown Heights.
Speaker 11 (36:25):
He was in Ridgewood, New Jersey, and just see what's
going on there.
Speaker 13 (36:29):
It's just from the sociological point of view, No, no,
I don't want to go.
Speaker 9 (36:34):
It's he's watching a TV show or something.
Speaker 13 (36:37):
Now, these many years later, he's become from as many
of my friends have without me, like, so.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
You influenced a lot of your friends behind I didn't
influence them.
Speaker 9 (36:48):
I didn't, you know, try to demonstratively influenced. But yeah,
it was, it was. I'm sure there was influence, he
says to me today or a year ago, I should.
Speaker 11 (37:00):
Have gone, what was it like to meet the Rebbie?
Speaker 13 (37:04):
And if you and I were in private, I would
use different words to describe the story, but I said
to him, look, imagine you've just done the most horrible,
shameful thing and you're feeling like a total worm. Jeff
and I are like really close. There's nothing we don't share.
He goes, yeah, I I okay. I said, just get
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into that feeling. The walls of hope are closing in
on you. He goes, yeah, I get it. You just
feel terrible about yourself.
Speaker 9 (37:38):
Are you in that mode? He goes yeah.
Speaker 11 (37:40):
Meeting with the Rebbie was the polar opposite of that
feeling you felt.
Speaker 13 (37:46):
It wasn't so much mystical that you could just put
it into some kind of weird bucket like it was mystical.
Speaker 9 (37:54):
Here you have a guy who studied at the.
Speaker 13 (37:57):
Sorebone, who spoke within and I'd read some of you know,
some of his sikhras and things, and you just haven't.
Speaker 9 (38:05):
Also a person who's very old, who's just very clear.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
What did he tell you? Did he tell you something
specifically to you that helped guide you?
Speaker 9 (38:13):
Yeah? He did.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Are you able to share that?
Speaker 9 (38:16):
Well? One of the things he said was are you
dobbining Minre? I said no. He goes.
Speaker 11 (38:22):
You should start dobvining Minre. I mean, those are things
that were very concrete.
Speaker 13 (38:27):
When I said my dad was a heroic figure, my
dad was a rare person. And I'm mentioning my dad
in the context of the Rebbie. My dad was a
rare person. And I'm sure you know these kinds of people.
They're very very rare. Most people are par They.
Speaker 9 (38:45):
Just you know, how's the weather, there's no effect whatsoever.
Speaker 13 (38:49):
On the other hand, there's people who are just so
malignant that you feel violated in their presence, you feel
worse for contact. And then on the other hand, there's
people who just by their presence make you feel better
that whatever your aspirations for the good are, they become
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Speaker 11 (39:13):
Your fears and self doubts kind of melt away.
Speaker 13 (39:17):
My dad was like that for me and so many people,
and the Rebbe had that to, you know, an exponentially
larger of the fact.
Speaker 9 (39:27):
It's the nature of the essence of that person to
be able to do that.
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Speaker 11 (46:01):
And now here's your host.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Our guest this pace of Mordecai Ak Peter Himmelman. But
he's an award winning IT nominated rock and roll performer, songwriter,
film composer, visual arts legend. His new book is called
Suspended by No String. His father in law is Bob Dylan,
and he's worked with many different foundations, including the Clooney
Foundation for Justice. I want to focus on that because
(46:25):
Amo Clooney is a known anti semi. She worked with
the National Court of Justice to bring want to bring
genocide and arrest warrants for Prime Minister be Nentanillo and
others in Israel. So you've worked with them. So have
you reached out to mel Clooney and said how disappointed
you are in her.
Speaker 11 (46:45):
I had no relationship with them whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
But at one point you had with the foundation?
Speaker 9 (46:50):
Correct, Well, I worked with them.
Speaker 13 (46:53):
I had a different series of people that I'd worked
with to go into the book.
Speaker 11 (46:59):
And my uncle, who has been a mentor to me, said.
Speaker 13 (47:02):
You've worked with the United States Army War College, you
work with three m you work with Adobe, Coca Cola.
I don't think that those names fit with the tone
of your book. You've also worked with a Clooney Foundation
for Justice. I'm like, yeah, okay, so I'll talk about Wharton,
(47:24):
I'll talk about you know, Northwestern University, and that's what
I'll put in. After the book went to press and
there was no rescinding that, what can I tell you
the new print won't have it?
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Well, then you bring Rod's book Pace of Mordecai in
the byeline, it's gonna have definitely, definitely will advocate, we'll
sell some more copies. By the way, I know if
you're aware, but the books by Jewish authors today are
being banned in the door is well aware. Has that
affected your book at all?
Speaker 13 (47:52):
It hasn't affected it so far. Look, I grew up
in Minneapolis and Saint Louis Park. If you've ever watched
the Coen Brothers movie, you ever watched.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Their movies, I wanted to have some Jewish things.
Speaker 13 (48:03):
I mean, one of the movies was a serious Man
and it's literally written about my town.
Speaker 9 (48:09):
The Coen Brothers were born in my town.
Speaker 13 (48:13):
In my town, there wasn't a week that went by
in junior high and into high school where somebody didn't go, hey,
you f and jew. And I had to fight and
get my nose, punch and punch noses from these people.
Speaker 9 (48:28):
So all I have to say is there's some tough
Jews out there, and I want to be counted as
one of them.
Speaker 11 (48:36):
I will never not wear a yarmica in a place.
Speaker 9 (48:40):
It's not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Well, you at an incident in your book before your
bar mits You're in a rowboat, and I think some
man comes out and wants to sink your boat, and
your father challenges him, and then he actually goes to
the group of those anti semites insists with them.
Speaker 13 (48:53):
Right, they weren't anti Semites, they were Native Americans, and
they were scary as hell because my couple my friends
had gotten beaten up by these people. So my dad
was an eagle scout and before my bar mitzvoh, he
took me on a canoe.
Speaker 11 (49:07):
It's this lake called Lake Calhoun.
Speaker 13 (49:10):
And we're canoeing and you could hear in the distance
there was some sort of bacchanal going on with these
Native Americans, and I was like, yeah, my dad's never
going to like go there, that would be scary. But
he starts rowing canoeing the boat.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
That's if the man's trying to sink your boat, right, Yeah.
Speaker 9 (49:30):
But what happened was this, This is the ethence of
my dad right here.
Speaker 13 (49:35):
So a guy dove in the water and started swimming
out to the boat, and I'm sure that my dad
is going to turn the canoe around, but he doesn't.
He stirs right into the guy and the guy starts
hanging on to the gunwale of the boat like the
edges of the canoe, trying to tip us.
Speaker 9 (49:53):
I'm terrified.
Speaker 11 (49:55):
I turn around and I see my dad laughing.
Speaker 9 (49:58):
He takes the paddle, and not in a frightened.
Speaker 13 (50:01):
Way, but kind of in a way to make fun
of this guy, and he smacks him right between the
shoulders pretty hard, but not hard enough to like.
Speaker 9 (50:10):
And the guy lets go of the boat.
Speaker 11 (50:13):
And all the Native Americans start laughing at this guy
who'd come to.
Speaker 9 (50:17):
Tip the boat. That these two Jews and one of
their native water craft were, you know, made a fool
of their guy. So now we're definitely going to turn around.
This is too scary.
Speaker 13 (50:28):
My dad steers the boat into the shore with no
fear whatsoever. They they cordially take the canoe on the shore.
My Dad's sitting between them all. They pass them a
you know, a bottle of wine, which he refuses. He's
talking to them. They respect him, he respects them in
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their way, and they launch us back out into the water.
Speaker 11 (50:57):
And this is this heroic nature of my dad, which
I'll never forget.
Speaker 13 (51:03):
He had a love for people, and he was an
ex marine, so he could handle himself in almost any
situation as well.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
A couple moments left October seventh, How has that changed you?
Speaker 9 (51:14):
Night and day.
Speaker 13 (51:15):
My whole life is literally measured pre and post, and
it has filled me with the most tremendous anger.
Speaker 9 (51:27):
I've ever felt in my life. But I will say
that anger is subsumed in the other thing that it's
done for me.
Speaker 13 (51:37):
It has given me a degree of a havatis ale
which I've always had, that completely overwhelms the anger. I
have never felt more octued, more kinship, more love in
general for people than I have ever felt at any
point in my life.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Amazing story. I appreciate you being here with us. I
recommend your book suspended by no string. What's your next
book going to be about?
Speaker 9 (52:05):
Whatever impulse comes up? Just like a song.
Speaker 11 (52:08):
Never, I don't work with ideas. I work with some
sort of impulse like you.
Speaker 9 (52:13):
I riff with whatever's going on.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
I'm waiting also for you and Bob Dylan your fall
Well to do a Jewish concert together. I think that
would be right for Israel.
Speaker 9 (52:21):
Anything's gonna Anything's possible.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
Can I plant this seed in your mind?
Speaker 9 (52:25):
The seed is planted in the heady loam of my brain.
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Legendary. Listen, the first time you're on the probe, not
the last. We've enjoyed the speaking with me. He's a legend.
He's a rock and roll performer, singer, artist, author. His
book As They Said Suspended by No String songwriters reflections
on faithful, a liveness and wonderful Thank you for being
part of our show.
Speaker 9 (52:48):
Thank you, zem, Thank you for having me.
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How we're back. We now present Rabbei li krimsky E,
spiritual leader of the Little Bee Synagogue, with this week's
Parsha in verse.
Speaker 12 (05:28):
Parsius Rey Mosha Abeno continues his goodbye monolog, not sure
if it was in rhyme as I've been doing in
this very synagogue. Mosha Abeno, who in by Midbar used
the imagery of a sick am Israel and he was
their nurse WARN's been a sorell of the consequences of
their actions, which will lead to either blessing or curse.
Mosha then segues into laws pertaining to the land of Israel,
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the country that would elude him. Eretisreel is particularly allergic
to any form of idolatry, and the land is to
be sanctified with certain kuki minish.
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But in the.
Speaker 12 (06:01):
Cutchem, the offerings brought on an altar due to gratitude, guilt,
or sin may only be brought in specific places via
specific processes facilitated by kohanim arown and his kin. The
turre describes how non sacrificial meat can be consumed, whether
a full fledged barbecue buffet like the wandering que or
just abissle. Thank goodness for this salaha that brings Parnassa
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to glotmart Mikes, bistro and holy Schnitzel. The Torah very
strongly condemns the consumption of blood. The Toreh commands that
we are to spill it onto the ground, which means
we rinse the flesh salted or broil it over fire,
whether foul or an animal that showed its cut. When
Amrauel entered the promised land there to stay away from
the practices of the natives who worship the skies and
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the tree and the rock. Succumbing to such peer pressure
would be an abomination.
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In a shem, it would mock.
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The Tore presents three individuals who must be avoided, the
false prophet, the seducer towards idolatry, and the city in
Israel where a majority of its inhabitants worship idols, the
Irani Dahas. These prohibitions are very severe on the individual, or,
if worse, if committed on mass. The Kosher laws are
now repeated. The laws permitting the consumption of insects, fish, fowl,
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and flesh are now heard. Chewing cuds, split hoofs and
for the meat, scales and fins for the fish, and
a strong masoa pertaining to the bird. The Tore mandates
that we are generous and charitable with our wealth. We
have several categories of charity. Aiding others in need is
a most fundamental principle and will certainly be good for
our physical and spiritual health. Myersheni are. Money is brought
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to Rushalayim and spent there, so our ruhnius can thrive.
These tithes are given in years one, two, four, and five.
In years three and six, the miser tithe is given
to those who are poor. We are always to be
sensitive to the indigen especially if they come knocking on
our door. The Tora requires us to forgive loans we
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made to poor people. Come the seventh year today, when
the laws of Schmita are rabbinic in nature, Hillel directs
us to sign a prisible which make sure we will
not hesitate to give interest free loans to each poverty
stricken peer. Although Lincoln freed the slaves, and the institution
no longer exists when it did. When the slaves finish
their indentured time, they would depart with material need and
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lavish gifts. Mosha then describes the special sanctity of the
first born among the animals and the beast. They are special,
can't be worked too hard, and it must be brought
to the altar by a cohen a priest. The Tore
that famously describes the rituals associated with the three pilgrimage festivals.
The showers regull him. The Tore describes pay second Chivuis
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and reminds us again to assure that we take care
of the Jewish poor.
Speaker 11 (08:49):
The aneem.
Speaker 12 (08:51):
Finally, the torreh reminds us about Tsukis, the festival of
booths under the stars. We are to be joyous and
to make sure that Jews who may not be as happy,
cele rate as well, looking for inner and spiritual pleasure,
not material delight such as gifts or fancy cars. The
Aftara for has y Shaia talking about Messianic times. Wealth
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will be spiritual and bliss will be approaching God as
each Jew ascends towards God, step by step as he climbs.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
And we're back. I heard his name for so many years.
Peter Himmelman. He's such a creative genius. Never had the
opportunity the privilege of interviewing until this broadcast. Now so
very pleased that Peter Himmelman joins us. He's a Grammy,
Emmy Award nominated rock and roll performers, songwrise of film composer,
Visual Artists Award winning author. He has been profiled in
the Rolling Stone Wall Street Journal, Time Magazine. He's an
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Orthodox Jew, He's so proud of that. And he also
has worked with many different universities and foundation including including
Foundation for Justice, University of Pennsylvania, etc. Peter, welcome to
the program. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 13 (09:53):
Thank you, Zella bit a fan as I said off
camera for many years, it's great.
Speaker 9 (09:58):
To be here.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Thank you. What's your Hebrew name? By the way, Mordecai?
How come you don't go on the road pass of Mordechai?
Speaker 9 (10:06):
You know, I'm telling you.
Speaker 13 (10:07):
I never gave it serious thought until recently.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
It's a beautiful name, Passi mortale it is.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
I love the name.
Speaker 11 (10:15):
And when people call me Pisu Mordecai, there's a select.
Speaker 9 (10:17):
Few that do.
Speaker 13 (10:21):
It touches me in a in a deeper place than
Peter Himmel, you know, my normal name.
Speaker 11 (10:28):
It's like a very intimate kind of call out to me.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Now you're in your book is called Suspended by No Strings,
a songwriter's reflection on faith, aliveness and wonder. You know
you're right about it in your book? Why isn't God
on the cover?
Speaker 9 (10:44):
Uh?
Speaker 13 (10:44):
Because there were many renderings of God, but they didn't
look right for me.
Speaker 11 (10:51):
Some of them had him hanging on a wooden thing.
Speaker 9 (10:54):
At some point I didn't think it was right for me.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It didn't cross your mind, didn't cross it but you
felt that God would be controversial in today's day and
age se him on the cover.
Speaker 9 (11:04):
You're talking about the word God the work.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
In other words, your book is God spirituality, about faith.
Speaker 13 (11:10):
But yeah, I didn't think it would be controversial. The
book isn't designed to do anything. I had written a
book about creativity in twenty seventeen, which.
Speaker 9 (11:24):
Had a purpose.
Speaker 13 (11:25):
It was about how to take an idea, Nason idea
and make it manifest.
Speaker 11 (11:29):
This book does not have a purpose.
Speaker 13 (11:32):
You'd ask, well, what's the purpose of one of your songs?
It's hard to say. It hopefully abuse a certain feeling.
But I wanted to make sure that the word God.
And this is I've heard from my friend sim and Jacobson,
whom I know. He says, Look, in one of my classes,
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somebody finally asked me after a year, are you talking
about God here?
Speaker 9 (11:58):
He used all sorts of youths.
Speaker 13 (12:00):
I forget what they were, because yes I am, but
don't tell the others. In other words, there's a caveat
at the beginning of the book, very at the very beginning.
Speaker 9 (12:10):
Why in a book.
Speaker 13 (12:11):
About faith and that I had to discern whether to
use the word God, because for so many people. It's
kind of a loaded term. It's not a holy word,
it's an English word. So I do wind up, of
course in the end, using God.
Speaker 11 (12:28):
All through the book. But I had to have a
setup for people.
Speaker 9 (12:33):
In my mill u.
Speaker 13 (12:34):
For example, I grew up conservative in Minnesota, which meant
we had my mom would occasionally light shabas candles.
Speaker 11 (12:42):
We were very Jewishly identified.
Speaker 9 (12:46):
But if I had started talking.
Speaker 13 (12:48):
About God at any point as a young man or
a child, I'm I'm pretty sure my mom, in trying
to be helpful, would have taken me to a psychologist.
It just wasn't part of what we knew. What we
had implicitly imbibed, was that the world was based on
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random forces, the Big Bank.
Speaker 9 (13:16):
God. It wasn't for us.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
So even though the lishapascandals, I assume you went synagogue
Russia Shana yam kipper, I.
Speaker 13 (13:25):
Went to Hebrew school. I learned how to speak Hebrew.
I went to Israel when I was eight years old.
That was literally one year after the Six Day War.
I write about that a little bit in the book.
I guess my return to observant Judaism wasn't about something novel.
Speaker 9 (13:46):
It was about returning to something that I.
Speaker 13 (13:49):
Always understood or intuited, that there's a creative force, however
you wanted to find it with a capital F. That is, literally,
the essence of creativity is creating everything, according to Hasidis,
at every moment, recreating everything.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
So let me get personal. Your rock and roll and
rock and performer, writer, songwriter not really known for being
a place for religion. So how did you connect to Judaism?
Speaker 11 (14:16):
I have to take some issue with what you're saying before.
Speaker 9 (14:19):
Yeah, I mean, I'm.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Always let me put that orthodox Judaism.
Speaker 13 (14:24):
Well, I mean, I understand the tropes about rock and
roll and the hedonism and all this stuff, but that
probably goes on it just as much.
Speaker 11 (14:34):
With real estate brokers. You know, at these conventions.
Speaker 13 (14:38):
What I have found about musicians of all sorts, rock musicians,
jazz musicians, and I play with musicians from all over
the country, all over the world, different faith, different hues,
different points of view. The idea of there being a
creative force again, if you want to use another buphemism
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for God, odd is second nature to most most musicians.
They understand from whence their abilities arrive. The best musicians
are very soulful, spiritual people. I see a guy that
sits down on a drum set, for example, the way
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that he touches his sticks, I already know how he's
going to play, how well he's going to play or
not well.
Speaker 11 (15:29):
But the ones that are really expert have this.
Speaker 13 (15:33):
Duality about them, which is one this kind of hubristic
elitist like.
Speaker 9 (15:39):
Man, you know, I understands, you know.
Speaker 13 (15:42):
And the other side is a humility of understanding that
their ability to move people to work with this non
temporal force which is music, it's it's essentially spiritual. They
understand that it derives from a higher source than they
themselves can conjured.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
So let me pace up, Mornechai, So let me ask
you this what made you this side? You were a conservative, Yeah,
your parents didn't really even though you went to Israel.
You had a strong Jewish identity, but you weren't observing
what happened thirty some years ago that you said, I
want to be orthodox. I'm going to keep kosher, even
though it's not easy being on the road traveling finding
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kosher food in the community.
Speaker 9 (16:28):
It's pretty I mean, it's a simple.
Speaker 13 (16:30):
Answer, so it's not going to be too abstract and
sim and Jacobson. What I've mentioned already three times had
so much to do with it. The first stage was
when I was to day after I turned twenty four,
my dad, who was.
Speaker 11 (16:45):
A heroic figure to me, died of lymphoma. He was
fifty four. I was twenty four the next day.
Speaker 13 (16:53):
So I was always already in a very propitious place
to think about things.
Speaker 9 (16:59):
Where does the spear it go?
Speaker 13 (17:00):
And I was always that kind of thinker, even amongst
my hedonistic activities. So a year after he died, I
moved with my rock band out to New York. I
got a record deal on Island Records. All of a sudden,
I had all this money. I was in the Rolling Stone.
I was everything that I ever dreamed of. But I
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couldn't stop thinking about my dad and things of higher
values and purposes.
Speaker 11 (17:27):
So I don't know if you've ever heard of Kenny Vance.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Sure, so he is.
Speaker 13 (17:32):
He is?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
He blacks No Kenny Vance with MTV. I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 13 (17:40):
I remember, No, you've heard his name before because he
was an original singer in Jay and the Americans, and
he was the one who was producing some demos with me.
Speaker 11 (17:53):
He was old at the time.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Was he actually produced the show. Is he Lifshitz if
you yeah, yeah, he did. He was Friday Night Live
or Saturday Night something like.
Speaker 13 (18:03):
Well, he was the music director for Saturday Night Live,
one of the original music you know, producers for that show.
He was in Woody Allen Movies. He used to date
Diane Keaton, which he told me about. He says, like this,
he was he was sent to the Ritz where we
were playing. An attorney sent him down there to give
(18:26):
us feedback on our show. And he came back into
the dressing room and he's like he's tall and sort
of you know, ectomorphic like I am, and kind of gangly.
Speaker 11 (18:37):
He's handsome. And he came and he's this old guy.
He was forty years old, you know, we were twenty five.
Speaker 9 (18:44):
And he goes, I don't really.
Speaker 11 (18:47):
Know what to tell you about what I just saw.
Speaker 9 (18:50):
I'm like, here's what you have to say.
Speaker 13 (18:53):
But I instantly liked him and we became friendly and
he said, look, he mentioned Diane Keaton. He goes, but tonight,
I'm going to take you to my main connection, a
religious Jew in Brooklyn. Thinking that I would be averse
to doing something like that, but I was like Jewish,
my dad had just died.
Speaker 9 (19:14):
I'm totally in So we crossed the Brooklyn Bridge.
Speaker 13 (19:18):
He drives me in his car and we get to
Simmons Helves and this was this was thirty eight years
ago or something. Simmons beard was black and I greet
him at the door, and I already like Simmon, just
like I already like you. You know, it's sort of
like you had this instant either attraction or you're repelled.
(19:39):
I was attracted to Simon. He hopped, he got it,
and I love that. Also, what was stunning to me
was his wife, Shandy was and still is so beautiful,
and like, what's the deal with this heresuit guy? Not
exactly spending time at the gym? Did he land this
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type of woman? This is where my mind was at,
And little did I know that scholarship had a lot
to do with it, you know, the eugenics program of
the jew which they can accuse us of. But we
got to talking, and Simon likes to talk. We both
are very languorous, and it got too late for Penny.
(20:23):
He was tired, he was old. He went back to
far rockaway. So Simon and I are talking and this
is the seminal moment where I'd like, I'm in okay,
this is coming. He starts talking to me about I
don't know. I asked him, what are these pictures at
the Rebbie on the wall. They looked a little cultish
to me, I said, and Simon was He just was
(20:45):
going with it. He wasn't defensive in the least. He goes,
look to me, he's like inspiring grandfather. Yeah, I get inspiration.
I'm like, makes sense. So then we get deep into it.
It's like now one and two in the morning. One
of those conversations. I remember my dad had just died,
so I was in a mood. My life was in flux.
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I got this giant record deal. He goes, look atsodig
couldn't do anything. It's sodig. Now I didn't quite understand
exactly the hasidic nature of what a axodig was. But
I'm thinking he's not talking about you know, you know
Bert Boumel, who can get you a deal on a car?
Speaker 9 (21:29):
What a sodig?
Speaker 11 (21:30):
He was talking about something higher. I understood that much.
Speaker 9 (21:34):
The rube that I am.
Speaker 13 (21:36):
He goes, look, asodig can do anything, And I'm looking
at the Rebbie and I put probably thinks the Rebbi
is exodig, But I said to him, oh yeah, anything
can they fly?
Speaker 9 (21:47):
And without him like he.
Speaker 13 (21:50):
Just says to me because he was in a serious mode,
and this is the sentence that put me over the
edge and probably won't do anything for anyone else.
Speaker 11 (21:57):
It was only for me.
Speaker 13 (22:00):
Look with Sadig, what's the difference of the flying thirty
forty fifty feet above the surface of the ground or
walking on the surface. What's the difference? And that to
me harken back to everything I felt about life and reality.
Speaker 9 (22:20):
What is the difference?
Speaker 13 (22:21):
How can you say that talking to Zev Brenner right
now is a mundane experience, or drinking tea or anything.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
I said?
Speaker 13 (22:31):
Is that what Judaism is about finding the miraculous nature
of existence and being astute and aware of it.
Speaker 9 (22:41):
Basically, that's it. I went out and got a talless cotton.
Speaker 13 (22:44):
The next day, I had a beautiful girlfriend who was
not Jewish, who was a dancer and a model, and
somebody that was really close to and that was the
end of all my romantic relationships.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
There right after that night you just said, I.
Speaker 13 (23:02):
Mean seriously, that was like it gave me permission because
it connected not with something that was.
Speaker 9 (23:11):
External to me, but was internal to me. It was
something that spoke to something essential about me and all
the concubines everything. I sort of said to myself, to
no one else. The next woman I'm with, I'm I'm
going to be married to. That's a huge step.
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Our guest is actually his real name is Paser Morca,
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a songwriter's reflections on faithful, liveness and wonder Bob Dylan.
People always one wonder is he religious? Not religious? Right?
Doesn't that the kwandary? Don't you get that question all
the time?
Speaker 13 (28:09):
Well, you know that I've gotten this question for years, decades,
So you're you're gonna see the skillful art of evasion
right now. I'm very transparent that I'm going to do it.
I do get asked all sorts of questions, and I've
been evading the question for years, mostly because the commandment
to honor your parents holockically also goes to your share
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you know, father, and I know that he's very you know,
he's private, so like you could ask me how his
music influenced me and things like that, I'd.
Speaker 9 (28:44):
Be happy to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Do you ever perform together?
Speaker 9 (28:47):
Only once?
Speaker 11 (28:48):
On a Kabbad telethon years and years ago?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Are the one in California?
Speaker 9 (28:52):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
By the way, do you ever get together thing shaba
is mirrors together?
Speaker 9 (28:58):
It hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Well, I pray that it does. That'd be a very
interesting experience. So, you know, because he's a legendary, but
you're legendary too in your own right.
Speaker 9 (29:10):
So did his legendary in your own mind?
Speaker 10 (29:14):
No?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
No, no, listen, you're you're out there, you're and you
make a Kiddish er cheman sactification in Guard's name. I
are so profiles of you when you're on the road
and you insist on keeping kosher is not always easy
finding kosher. For today, it's better than it was thirty
years ago, for sure. Yeah, what's beening? Ther biggest challenge
being Orthodox and being in the rock and roll world.
Speaker 13 (29:32):
The fact that I have to really think about it
is a good sign. Somebody asked me recently, you know, so,
how did that affect your career not playing.
Speaker 9 (29:42):
There was certain tours.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
That we had to turn You turned down the Tonight
Show three times, right, Yeah, that's right, because it was
on Friday night, and you said, I don't do TV
on Friday night.
Speaker 13 (29:50):
One was on circus, I don't do that, but one,
you know, we eventually played the Tonight Show on another
night and eventually played Letterman and other things. The thing
made rock career difficult, and this is tangential of course
to Judaism was when my first child, who is now
thirty four or thirty five years old, Isaac Brilliant son
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of mine, was born. I was on the road for
two hundred and thirty nights and that was not sustainable.
And a record company just wants you to you know,
I'm a good live performer. That was the best marketing
that they could have. But it's like I used to
send my manager into the label to find out how
little I could play before they shut off the tap.
(30:36):
Most of the managers are going in wanting tour support
and everything else. It just wasn't a sustainable life for me.
And the downside of it is the crowds that I
draw are much less now because I'm not doing the tour,
and with every everything that we do, because we find
it right and just and moral, there often is a
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price for it.
Speaker 9 (31:02):
It's not it doesn't.
Speaker 11 (31:03):
Some of these things don't come cheaply.
Speaker 13 (31:05):
So I go into a venue and there's two hundred
and fifty people instead of twenty five hundred.
Speaker 11 (31:10):
It doesn't go on my joyous side.
Speaker 9 (31:13):
On the other hand, I would never do anything differently.
I have no regrets whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Do you ever consider going the Habbat circuit or the
Orthodox circuit and performing including some maybe Hebrew songs or
combination Hebrew in English and came well? I don't how
new generation.
Speaker 13 (31:30):
Once in a while somebody will have me come to
do something, but I don't. I don't sing any Hebrew songs.
I don't know any although I love hene Montovoman Naim,
I don't know anyse mirrors. I didn't grow up with it,
and I mostly just play my songs. But here's my
ability in a Jewish context forget about in the general
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public what I and I think the book does a
good job of this too.
Speaker 9 (31:56):
I recognize that I have a very unique place.
Speaker 13 (32:01):
I understand the so called secular world very well. I'm
in place there. I understand all of it, and I
also understand very well the so called firm world and
in terms of people that can bridge those two things.
This isn't like complimenting myself, but just you know, this
(32:21):
is providential that had happened this way. I have a
very unique role to play in connecting people both ways,
this way and that way.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Which is important. Then that's why you don't do You
don't have any heberes. Maybe we can do some blends.
But I want to go back thirty eight years ago.
You meet Rabbi Simon Jacobs and you get turned on
to Judaism. So what happens? How do you become observant?
Did you go through a special training yeshivas? Who godded you?
Speaker 9 (32:50):
Help you? I never went through special training for anything.
Speaker 11 (32:56):
I never went to music school.
Speaker 13 (32:59):
I am what they call and sometimes people use this
derisively and autodidact.
Speaker 9 (33:04):
That's just me. You know.
Speaker 11 (33:07):
I have a lot of mentors and I still do
and musically and otherwise.
Speaker 13 (33:12):
Simon was certainly one of them. There's a number of
people that I go to for a lot opinions. I'm
constantly studying toro with different people. I mean, the mechanics
of how that worked. So how do you go from
one day the.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
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Speaker 9 (33:37):
Yes, I mean what happens is, you know, it's very talkless,
it's very practical.
Speaker 13 (33:43):
So I was apropos of Kenny Vance. I was producing
a record for him at the time in this little
studio in New Jersey, the one that I recorded at
a record which got.
Speaker 9 (33:55):
Me my deal on Island. So Kenny thought we should
go there.
Speaker 13 (33:58):
There was a Chinese restaurant next to the studio, and
I thought, well, yeah, I'm gonna just eat vegetarian there.
I'm going to order a vegetable thing on let's say,
on Tuesday. On Wednesday, I thought, well, maybe I'll just
have like rice with soy sauce.
Speaker 9 (34:18):
On Thursday. I didn't eat at.
Speaker 11 (34:20):
The restaurant at all because it wasn't kosher.
Speaker 9 (34:23):
Just like a very quick dive in.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
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Speaker 9 (34:27):
Yeah, it wasn't even gradual. It was like a three
or four day you know.
Speaker 13 (34:31):
I read a little bit about cashued, and it's easy
to find out even back thirty some years.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Ago, could you meet Kalba.
Speaker 9 (34:40):
I did, well, that was it. I met the Rebbe.
Speaker 13 (34:43):
I met with him first of all, after like Chavus,
you go and Koch Shobraja. And he gave me a
bottle and I didn't know what the bottles is a
bottle of vodka and all these you know, you know,
cause cinema coming up. Who's this like us Flamil is
getting a you know, like, what's his deal? And somebody
told me that it's it's it's given out to people
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who are public people like yourself.
Speaker 9 (35:09):
You would have gotten.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
About public personalities, yeah, and that you would.
Speaker 13 (35:13):
Go and you would make a little high with people
that you met on the road and elevate the conversation.
And you had to get rid of the bottle before
pays off, because you can't sell it.
Speaker 11 (35:26):
To somebody, you know, you're going to sell it to
a non Jew.
Speaker 13 (35:29):
But I got two or three bottles on two, you know,
And then I had a after Marie and I were married,
we had a sort of hate us with the Rebbee
after he'd stopped doing one on one. This was in
as he was in Schloshim for his wife who had
passed away in his house. He met with like three
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different married couples, and I can't really disclose what I
learned from him from the Rebbe at the time, I
can only say this about meeting the Rebbie my cousin
who is a genius musician.
Speaker 9 (36:06):
His name is Jeff Victor. He's one of my best friends.
Speaker 13 (36:09):
He was living with me when we moved to New
York as a band, and I would constantly say at
the time, this is like nineteen eighty four or five,
I said, Jeff, I want you to come with me
to Crown Heights.
Speaker 11 (36:25):
He was in Ridgewood, New Jersey, and just see what's
going on there.
Speaker 13 (36:29):
It's just from the sociological point of view, No, no,
I don't want to go.
Speaker 9 (36:34):
It's he's watching a TV show or something.
Speaker 13 (36:37):
Now, these many years later, he's become from as many
of my friends have without me, like, so.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
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Speaker 9 (36:48):
I didn't, you know, try to demonstratively influenced. But yeah,
it was, it was. I'm sure there was influence, he
says to me today or a year ago, I should.
Speaker 11 (37:00):
Have gone, what was it like to meet the Rebbie?
Speaker 13 (37:04):
And if you and I were in private, I would
use different words to describe the story, but I said
to him, look, imagine you've just done the most horrible,
shameful thing and you're feeling like a total worm. Jeff
and I are like really close. There's nothing we don't share.
He goes, yeah, I I okay. I said, just get
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on you. He goes, yeah, I get it. You just
feel terrible about yourself.
Speaker 9 (37:38):
Are you in that mode? He goes yeah.
Speaker 11 (37:40):
Meeting with the Rebbie was the polar opposite of that
feeling you felt.
Speaker 13 (37:46):
It wasn't so much mystical that you could just put
it into some kind of weird bucket like it was mystical.
Speaker 9 (37:54):
Here you have a guy who studied at the.
Speaker 13 (37:57):
Sorebone, who spoke within and I'd read some of you know,
some of his sikhras and things, and you just haven't.
Speaker 9 (38:05):
Also a person who's very old, who's just very clear.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
What did he tell you? Did he tell you something
specifically to you that helped guide you?
Speaker 9 (38:13):
Yeah? He did.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
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Speaker 9 (38:16):
Well? One of the things he said was are you
dobbining Minre? I said no. He goes.
Speaker 11 (38:22):
You should start dobvining Minre. I mean, those are things
that were very concrete.
Speaker 13 (38:27):
When I said my dad was a heroic figure, my
dad was a rare person. And I'm mentioning my dad
in the context of the Rebbie. My dad was a
rare person. And I'm sure you know these kinds of people.
They're very very rare. Most people are par They.
Speaker 9 (38:45):
Just you know, how's the weather, there's no effect whatsoever.
Speaker 13 (38:49):
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malignant that you feel violated in their presence, you feel
worse for contact. And then on the other hand, there's
people who just by their presence make you feel better
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It's the nature of the essence of that person to
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Speaker 11 (46:01):
And now here's your host.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Our guest this pace of Mordecai Ak Peter Himmelman. But
he's an award winning IT nominated rock and roll performer, songwriter,
film composer, visual arts legend. His new book is called
Suspended by No String. His father in law is Bob Dylan,
and he's worked with many different foundations, including the Clooney
Foundation for Justice. I want to focus on that because
(46:25):
Amo Clooney is a known anti semi. She worked with
the National Court of Justice to bring want to bring
genocide and arrest warrants for Prime Minister be Nentanillo and
others in Israel. So you've worked with them. So have
you reached out to mel Clooney and said how disappointed
you are in her.
Speaker 11 (46:45):
I had no relationship with them whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
But at one point you had with the foundation?
Speaker 9 (46:50):
Correct, Well, I worked with them.
Speaker 13 (46:53):
I had a different series of people that I'd worked
with to go into the book.
Speaker 11 (46:59):
And my uncle, who has been a mentor to me, said.
Speaker 13 (47:02):
You've worked with the United States Army War College, you
work with three m you work with Adobe, Coca Cola.
I don't think that those names fit with the tone
of your book. You've also worked with a Clooney Foundation
for Justice. I'm like, yeah, okay, so I'll talk about Wharton,
(47:24):
I'll talk about you know, Northwestern University, and that's what
I'll put in. After the book went to press and
there was no rescinding that, what can I tell you
the new print won't have it?
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sell some more copies. By the way, I know if
you're aware, but the books by Jewish authors today are
being banned in the door is well aware. Has that
affected your book at all?
Speaker 13 (47:52):
It hasn't affected it so far. Look, I grew up
in Minneapolis and Saint Louis Park. If you've ever watched
the Coen Brothers movie, you ever watched.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Their movies, I wanted to have some Jewish things.
Speaker 13 (48:03):
I mean, one of the movies was a serious Man
and it's literally written about my town.
Speaker 9 (48:09):
The Coen Brothers were born in my town.
Speaker 13 (48:13):
In my town, there wasn't a week that went by
in junior high and into high school where somebody didn't go, hey,
you f and jew. And I had to fight and
get my nose, punch and punch noses from these people.
Speaker 9 (48:28):
So all I have to say is there's some tough
Jews out there, and I want to be counted as
one of them.
Speaker 11 (48:36):
I will never not wear a yarmica in a place.
Speaker 9 (48:40):
It's not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Well, you at an incident in your book before your
bar mits You're in a rowboat, and I think some
man comes out and wants to sink your boat, and
your father challenges him, and then he actually goes to
the group of those anti semites insists with them.
Speaker 13 (48:53):
Right, they weren't anti Semites, they were Native Americans, and
they were scary as hell because my couple my friends
had gotten beaten up by these people. So my dad
was an eagle scout and before my bar mitzvoh, he
took me on a canoe.
Speaker 11 (49:07):
It's this lake called Lake Calhoun.
Speaker 13 (49:10):
And we're canoeing and you could hear in the distance
there was some sort of bacchanal going on with these
Native Americans, and I was like, yeah, my dad's never
going to like go there, that would be scary. But
he starts rowing canoeing the boat.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
That's if the man's trying to sink your boat, right, Yeah.
Speaker 9 (49:30):
But what happened was this, This is the ethence of
my dad right here.
Speaker 13 (49:35):
So a guy dove in the water and started swimming
out to the boat, and I'm sure that my dad
is going to turn the canoe around, but he doesn't.
He stirs right into the guy and the guy starts
hanging on to the gunwale of the boat like the
edges of the canoe, trying to tip us.
Speaker 9 (49:53):
I'm terrified.
Speaker 11 (49:55):
I turn around and I see my dad laughing.
Speaker 9 (49:58):
He takes the paddle, and not in a frightened.
Speaker 13 (50:01):
Way, but kind of in a way to make fun
of this guy, and he smacks him right between the
shoulders pretty hard, but not hard enough to like.
Speaker 9 (50:10):
And the guy lets go of the boat.
Speaker 11 (50:13):
And all the Native Americans start laughing at this guy
who'd come to.
Speaker 9 (50:17):
Tip the boat. That these two Jews and one of
their native water craft were, you know, made a fool
of their guy. So now we're definitely going to turn around.
This is too scary.
Speaker 13 (50:28):
My dad steers the boat into the shore with no
fear whatsoever. They they cordially take the canoe on the shore.
My Dad's sitting between them all. They pass them a
you know, a bottle of wine, which he refuses. He's
talking to them. They respect him, he respects them in
(50:52):
their way, and they launch us back out into the water.
Speaker 11 (50:57):
And this is this heroic nature of my dad, which
I'll never forget.
Speaker 13 (51:03):
He had a love for people, and he was an
ex marine, so he could handle himself in almost any
situation as well.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
A couple moments left October seventh, How has that changed you?
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Night and day.
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My whole life is literally measured pre and post, and
it has filled me with the most tremendous anger.
Speaker 9 (51:27):
I've ever felt in my life. But I will say
that anger is subsumed in the other thing that it's
done for me.
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It has given me a degree of a havatis ale
which I've always had, that completely overwhelms the anger. I
have never felt more octued, more kinship, more love in
general for people than I have ever felt at any
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Whatever impulse comes up? Just like a song.
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I riff with whatever's going on.
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Anything's gonna Anything's possible.
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The seed is planted in the heady loam of my brain.
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