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I was with our guests in China, seemed like yesterday,
quite a while ago. Is I think one of the
most influential Orthodox Jewish attorneys in the country. In fact,
he is Akiva Shapiro. He's been named the City and
State New York's inn Oreul twenty twenty four forty of
their forties, and he's listed New York's forty something power
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administrative commercial issues. He has been working on a lot
of Jewish as very active in the Jewish community. He
has worked on cases with recovery of assets and artwork
seize during the Holocaust by Germany and Hungary. He's represented
schomershapas that Sabbath observant marinter b d Deutsch and he's
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also involved with Haguna. But right now he has a
very fascinating case dealing with an Iranian with a Kurdish
woman who's his Bola and suing the terrorist group.
Speaker 17 (07:03):
So Kiev it welcome to the program. Thank you for
joining us.
Speaker 18 (07:06):
They're a pleasure to be here. Great to see you.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Again because as I was with you and Alice and
Alison and Joseph of course gets a lot of the publicity,
but you also get a lot because you've done so much.
So we're really honored that you're joining us. So there's
so much to talk about. But the case that intrigued
me is the lawsuit that you're bringing on behalf of
a Kurdish woman against his bull tell us about it.
Speaker 18 (07:29):
Sure, so's the case that we filed.
Speaker 19 (07:31):
We filed a lawsuit in federal court in Virginia on
behalf of this woman, Sarah Sealine, who's a Kurdish woman,
Kurdish born now a US citizen though and she was
kidnapped by Guysbola and another Iranian backed terrorist group called
AAH and in a conspiracy together with the former Prime
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Minister of Iraq, Nuri al Malachi and some others. And
the story here is it really is out of a
spy novel. How she was kidnapped and then how she
escapes an incredible story. And I'll tell the story and
then we can talk about the bigger picture implications of
what this means for the Jewish community, for lawsuits against
(08:15):
terrorists and some other recent news that it connects with.
But I just think the story itself is kind of wild.
So she's a prominent from a prominent Kurdish family, prominent
Kurdish developer and businesswoman, and one day in September twenty fourteen,
she climbed into her car in Boss for Iraq, and
(08:36):
Boss was kind of famous as a battle site during
the war many years before, and she was suddenly surrounded
by four cars bearing the insignia of the Prime Minister
of Iraq. Twenty armed men jumped out, surrounded her, pulled
her out of her car, and dragged her away. Next
thing she knows, she's in a little apartment building, a
(08:58):
little apartment. She doesn't know where it is, but she's
trying to piece together who abducted her and how and why,
And eventually she figured out that it's Hesbola and this
ah group.
Speaker 18 (09:10):
They're trying to extort her for two million dollars.
Speaker 17 (09:15):
And was she an affluent woman.
Speaker 18 (09:17):
She was an affluent woman.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
She's she's a builder, a builder.
Speaker 19 (09:23):
So she was building a very significant project in the area,
one hundred million dollar project, twenty five hundred secure homes,
was going to secure facility and these secure homes, and
and they they they wanted to extort her to get
money from her to get cut into the project. But
also they accused her of being a CIA and a
(09:45):
Mossad spy. So it's sort of one of these things
where on the one hand there was a commercial and
a monetary element. On the other hand, Kurdish you know,
the Kurdish community was very strongly against both the Iraqi
regime under Saddam Hussin and was terribly persecuted and is
now terribly persecuted by the Turkish government and the Erdowan government,
(10:10):
and they are soon eased largely, so they are there's
a significant conflicu been seen them and the Shia backed
Iranian regime and those other terrorist groups.
Speaker 18 (10:23):
So there's a lot that was kind of going on.
Speaker 19 (10:25):
But she was held anyways for forty three days in
this little apartment, starved, beaten, They tortured her, they tried
to extract information from her.
Speaker 18 (10:34):
At the end of the forty three days. And she's
an engineer. Also. The whole time they were giving her
food with plastic wear.
Speaker 19 (10:42):
One morning they gave her a metal spoon and after
she ate her breakfast, she secreted away.
Speaker 18 (10:48):
She stuck it away in her pocket. They didn't realize.
Speaker 19 (10:51):
And that night she went into the bathroom and she
used the metal spoon to cut away around the window
frame all the way around and dis lodge the window frame.
Speaker 17 (11:01):
That's her engineering came into a play, came.
Speaker 19 (11:04):
Into play, saved her. She pushed the window out of
the window frame. She saw she was on the third floor.
Apart of building. The third floor, there's a drain pipe.
She shimmy down the drain pipe, got to the second floor,
jumped from one rooftop to the next until she found
a way to get down to the to the first floor.
And by the time the terrorists realized that she was
missing chased after her. She called the police and the
(11:29):
President of Iraq, who was an accomplicent. The Prime Minister
she and one was Kurdish sent forces and there was
this gun battle on the streets. Anyway, she eventually escaped,
came to America, became a US citizen, built herself back up,
and decided she wants to finally bring some justice, use
the American legal system to go after her kidnappers, her torturers,
(11:51):
and find some measure of justice.
Speaker 18 (11:53):
So that's why I came.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
In before I get to the trial and what you're
trying to do. She can make a movie, make a
fortune too, like a wonderful Hollywood movie too, Right?
Speaker 17 (12:02):
Is she considering that as well?
Speaker 19 (12:04):
Every person I've spoken to since I took the case
and said the same thing. So I think I got
to find a producer and a writer maybe and make
it happen.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Because maybe I'll just speak to your wife, Fallis, and
she's in touch with all the Hollywood types.
Speaker 18 (12:15):
Now it's true, it's true.
Speaker 19 (12:17):
Well not only is it, you know, a good story,
but I think it's also it's really good for us
to have that kind of storytelling out there, to have
those stories in the mass media that show heroes fighting
back against terrorism.
Speaker 18 (12:29):
You know, we've seen many of these the.
Speaker 19 (12:31):
Post of Temper post October seventh, movies that have been
very powerful. But you know, I think we can continue
those stories, continue those movie making.
Speaker 18 (12:42):
It's a good Massagana good stories.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
No, absolutely, and I think it'll be commercially very viable.
But let me ask you this question. She was kidnapped
abducted by these terrorists in twenty fourteen. Is there a
statue of limitations when you can sue? Forget the fact
that it's being done in the United States, which is
a whole different story. But isn't there a statue limitations
on it?
Speaker 18 (13:03):
Yes, it's an interesting question. It's a good question.
Speaker 19 (13:07):
So Congress has been very active in trying to open
up the US courts to terror victims and to torture victims.
So there's two separate federal statutes, one called the Torture
Victims Protection Act that allows US citizens to file lawsuits
in federal court even for being victims of torture abroad,
and it cuts away many of the procedural problems that
(13:29):
you sometimes have in bringing these cases. And then there's
another statue called the Anti Terrorism Act, which also is
a very broad statute allowing US citizens and others to
file suit in US court. And so without getting to
the technicalities too much. Both of these statutes have ten
year statue limitations. However, because she was not a US
(13:51):
citizen previously, the statute notations doesn't start until she becomes
a US citizen for one of the statutes, and for
another one, until the defendants are to the US the
statute notations doesn't start. So they're both built to allow,
you know, victims in this situation to be able to
bring cases in the US courts.
Speaker 17 (14:10):
Now, funny you mentioned it.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
I was swing to Steve Fleda, who got some money
for unfortunately for his daughter Elisa, killed by terrorists. But
there have been times with the US government, even though
it's on the books that you want to go after
these terrorist governments like Iran and others, and other times
where they really don't want the victims to go after, right,
don't depend.
Speaker 19 (14:28):
On It's very frustrating because Congress has been very good
about this consistently, They've passed law after law trying to
provide for this. But both the executive branch, you know,
the presidents and Secretary of the State under administrations of
both parties, have often intervened in these cases to say
that he's going to create a matter of you know,
(14:50):
a political issue or a foreign policy issue, and in
allowing the cases to advance. So they're kind of in
a clash between Congress that wants to expand these cases
and the executive branch that doesn't.
Speaker 18 (15:01):
And even more frustratingly for me as.
Speaker 19 (15:03):
A lawyer, the courts, including the Supreme Court, have i
would say, extended themselves often to undo the things that
Congress has wanted to do. So there's been many cases
where Congress has passed the law allowing for these kind
of cases, goes up to the Supreme Court and they pass,
and then they find very narrowly to disallow these kinds
(15:25):
of claims. So, for example, there was a case that
somebody sued the Palestinian authority of the PLO for terrorism
under the Anti Terrorism Act, went up to the US
Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court said that that statute
is only available against individual terrorists individual persons, not against
terrorist groups. There was a reading of the statute that
allowed them to get there, but it was a very
(15:47):
frustrating result that I think is totally contrary to the
congressional intent. Like if you had asked the Congress members
are when you pass this Anti Terrorism Act, can you
sue the PLO a terrorist organization? They of course would
have said, yes, that's what there for. And yet they're,
you know, come up with these kind of technicalities to get.
Speaker 18 (16:04):
Out of that.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
So can Congress pass legislation to change that to make
it more clear?
Speaker 17 (16:08):
But that's something that should be on the books.
Speaker 19 (16:11):
Yeah, and they can, and they actually have in various instances,
not in that specific case. I would love that they
if they would, there have been there's this kind of
dance happening between the courts and Congress where the courts
narrow these these statutes, Congress goes back and expands them,
and the courdinarism again. And so we've been in that
(16:31):
dance also in the Holocaust recovery setting that's happened. So
it's an ongoing process. But yes, Congress, and I'm hopeful
in this Congress that's coming up that this is going
to be one of those things that's priority is to
address some of these decisions where Congress has the authority
because it's not it's not a constitutional issue. It's not
like some constitutional problem. It's just the court's interpreting statutes
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Our guests's top Orthodox Jewish attorney, A Kiva Shapiro is
with Gibson Dunn. He's involved in Constitutional minister commercials, very
much evolved in Jewish community. Is litigating a case regarding
a Couragius woman suing the terrorist group as Buller for
abducting her in twenty fourteen. I know that there's also
a connection that and I think Jewish groups are watching
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this case at Kiva because if you're successful and she's successful,
opens the door. For example, the murderers of the Kabbad
Rabbi just the other day, right, does that.
Speaker 17 (21:36):
Open the door?
Speaker 18 (21:37):
Yeah, it certainly does.
Speaker 17 (21:39):
Coogan from Kabbad was killed.
Speaker 19 (21:42):
Yeah, it's I mean there's obviously a horrible, tragic event,
and I wish we weren't in the situation where we
had to find, you know, justice through the courts. It's
only a very tiny, small measure of justice that can
never really fully address these kinds of terrible But I
do hope, and I do I do. We are trying
(22:05):
to keep the pressure on these groups with these kind
of lawsuits, and also to expand the avenues in the
US courts, like you said, to create good precedent that
will pave the way for other victims of terror in
other situations, including many times in the Jewish community, to
be able to bring these lawsuits, these kinds of claims
(22:25):
in US courts, and and kind of on a personal level,
you mentioned Rabbi Cogan and his abduction and his murder.
You know, I filed this lawsuit on Friday this past Friday,
and I found out that same day that he had
been abducted in the UAE, And it felt to me
like there was a there's something, you know, there's a
(22:48):
connection there, in part because Rabbi Cogan's uncle and aunt
were Rabbi Gavriel and Rivka Holtzberg, who remember were murdered
and to eight in Mumbai. And when that happened, we
had just our young our oldest son had just been born.
Speaker 18 (23:08):
He was born on November.
Speaker 19 (23:10):
Twenty six, two thousand and eight, so the same exact
day that the Holtzburgs were murdered. And when I heard
about that, I think it was that Friday night, sitting
in schule, hearing the rabbi speak about the their murder,
I thought to myself, you know, really we should it
would be a beautiful thing to name our son after
a rebelue Go Real Holsburg. So already had two names
(23:32):
for our son, Ruy is Huck and we added got
Riel as the third name, and so the special it was,
it's in and we tell him about you know, who
he's named for, and it's very you know, it's a
very meaningful thing for him for us. But unfortunately this cycle,
you know, that was sixteen years ago, right November twenty
six eight, and unfortunately we're still in this battle. We're
(23:56):
still in this war. And I think in a certain
sense it's being come more more clarified as time goes on,
of course after October seventh, but also in recent really
recent weeks and days that on the one side, Russia, Iran,
North Korea, Hesbola, Kamas and the terrorist groups, and on
(24:16):
the other side all the freedom loving good people of
the world, and they the forces of evil. They've really
been aligned from two thousand and eight and before long before,
but I think in more recently we see how clearly
they are coordinating, sending troops to one another, sending money
to one another, in this kind of access of evil,
(24:37):
and I think it's just a reminder to us that
we also have to unify on the other side.
Speaker 17 (24:46):
Now walk us through.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
By the way, is there any Jewish groups that sums
or Israeli groups sue and comas after October seventh that
you know about?
Speaker 19 (24:54):
Yeah, there are a couple very significant lawsuits which I'm
certainly watching for victims of victims of October seventh, including
many US citizens who have brought lawsuits in the United States.
There's a lawsuit that was broughting on Amas. There's another
lawsuit that was brought against Iran for its and and
(25:17):
Cutter for their state support for Hamas. So that there's
definitely a lot of activity in that space, and I'm
hopeful that we'll we'll see some good results there.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Now, sometimes you mentioned. The courts have been sometimes have
very narrow definitions. Wouldn't allow victims of terrorism to collect
money somebody's the administrations. I'm an happy about it too,
firing what I recall, somebody's the administration wants to get.
For example, I RAN's good, so I don't want to
release the money, right so they can also put a
broad blocks and have put.
Speaker 18 (25:48):
A bro blox they have.
Speaker 19 (25:50):
This is another instance though, where there has been some
activity in the good direction. So there's a fun now
specifically for Iranian victors, for basically people who have money
judgments against Iran. And so if you get a money
judgment against Iran, there is a pot of money to
collect from and that they've that's been kind of collected
(26:11):
from various Iranian assets. Even so, collecting a judgment on
these kinds of cases.
Speaker 18 (26:17):
Very difficult, you know.
Speaker 19 (26:19):
I kind of think of it as like step by step,
let's just get into court, let's get you know, everyone served,
let's get a decision in our favor, let's get a judgment.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
But but I assume under a Trump administration might be
using it, under a Biden administration to collect money from
my Ran or a well, I would assume that.
Speaker 18 (26:34):
Yeah, I mean, I think likely so, and I think
likely less.
Speaker 19 (26:38):
There will be less roadblocks as far as the State
Department intervening to to create issues there. And I think
there's another, you know, opportunities there on the political front
to engage Congress and the administration, because you know, it's
it's one in a sense, it's a low hanging fruit,
like who doesn't you know, hate terrorists and want justice.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
But there are a lot of a lot there are
a lot of calculations some of the elected officials and
walk me through how long does it take you follow
the lawsuit and how does it work? I'm sugging the
list years to list decades. Give us a time frame.
Speaker 19 (27:15):
Yeah, so it certainly can last years and decades, although
it doesn't have to necessarily, you know, I think for
these for these defendants, they're all overseas.
Speaker 18 (27:25):
They're not showing up in the United States.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Who shows noralis shows up. They may be afraid to
so they just hire lawyers, so they just ignore it.
Speaker 19 (27:34):
So we have to find ways to serve them. That's
kind of the first step.
Speaker 17 (27:37):
Maybe it's what they were in Lebanon now anyway, well,
at least they were there.
Speaker 19 (27:40):
You go, guysbody my service a process hand off.
Speaker 18 (27:49):
That's a good idea of curiosity.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
If a has bal leader is served and then he's assassinated,
does that mean that you have to serve it again
to somebody else?
Speaker 17 (27:57):
How does that work legally?
Speaker 18 (27:59):
It's a good question.
Speaker 19 (28:00):
I think there's too much law developed there. You've got
high enough. But like person, they they can represent the organization.
But I looked there are various ways to serve kind
of difficult to serve the individuals and can get permission
from the court to email them.
Speaker 18 (28:15):
They've often many of them have been represented.
Speaker 19 (28:17):
By lawyers in the past and other cases, so we
can serve those lawyers.
Speaker 18 (28:20):
We can serve the embassies.
Speaker 19 (28:22):
You know, we the neurial Malachi, the for Prime Minister
of Iraq, has assets in a lot of places, and
you know, he is potentially reachable. There's some other individuals
that are defendants that are less well known, but also
travel you know, to various places around the world and
can be served.
Speaker 18 (28:40):
So we've got to serve everyone.
Speaker 19 (28:41):
That's kind of step number one, or get the court's
permission to get them served, and then either they're going
to show up and fight it or they're not, and
that you know, it's hard to know what's going to
happen here.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Do they want to fight because the most cases they're
going to lose, so and then they're going to make
it difficult to try to collect anyways, So do they
want to spend resources defend and knowing they're all likely
they're going to lose.
Speaker 19 (29:05):
Yeah, a lot of times they don't. A lot of
times they won't show up. We'll get a default judgment
of the plane. If we'll get a default judgment, and
then when they finally try to collect on that judgment,
then the people will show, you know, then the defense
will show up to try to fight it at that point.
Speaker 18 (29:18):
This is also just like a pet peeve of mine.
Speaker 19 (29:20):
I think the loss should be that if you choose
not to show up in court and not to fight
the case at the opportunity that you have, you shouldn't
have the opportunity to later come in and say, oh,
now that you've got a judgment against me, I'm gonna
fight it now. That just seems like, especially for kind
of bad actors.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
So what you need You need Congress to enact that rule.
Could the judges impose that?
Speaker 18 (29:42):
Realistically? It would have to be a congressional.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Now's the time to get that done in a few
months after remaining. One of the cases that I watched
over the year was the Tupsky case of family that
gave birth twenty some years ago, the child in Jerusalem.
The State Department refuse to register the child being born
in Jerusalem. Is I listed Jerusalem without being Israel. I
know that Lewen represented. I know you were revolved in
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the case. It finally got resolved during the first Frum presidency.
Speaker 17 (30:09):
Talk about that.
Speaker 19 (30:10):
Yeah, So this was a great experience for me and
a great result at the end of the day. Nat
Lewin was my law school professor Religious Minorities and Supreme
Court litigation. I think his class of Columbia. So it's
a great class. And that's how my first introductor of
the Supreme Court. We went down to the court for
an argument, and not Justice Scalia there. It was all
law school classmate of Matt Lewis. So when that was
(30:33):
representing Zevatovsky, the family the kid. When the Supreme Court
took the case, I said, oh, that's my old ball professor,
and it's Israel, it's foreign relations, it's constitutional issues. This
is great so long story show ends up representing members
of Congress as Friends of the Court amiki. So we
wrote a friend of the Court brief supporting Zibatovsky's position,
(30:55):
And it's kind of one of those things where it's
like you just never know where how the law is
going to win and the politics are going to wind
their way through. So I'm sorry short at the end
of the day, we lost the case. We were trying
to say that Congress had the authority. Congress had passed
this law telling the President of the State Department, if
somebody is born in Israel, they can and they can
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choose to put Israel on their passwords. If they're born
in Jerusalem, they can choose to put his on the passwords.
The president said, I'm not doing that. We lost the case.
The Supreme Court said it's up to the president to decide.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
It's not up to Congress, which which president was in
power that time.
Speaker 18 (31:31):
At that time, it was passed under President Bush. George W.
Speaker 19 (31:35):
Bush was the first and you know, the first president
that did not enforce this, and then President Obama as
well also it didn't enforce it.
Speaker 18 (31:43):
So that was another one of those kind of cross.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
But did it become a new pointcause I know that
President Trump recognized jerusma of the capital of Israel as
far as having the embassy, but did that officially make
that the case where I couldn't get this from that?
Speaker 17 (31:55):
Leeuwin.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
If so Tosky go to America could be registered Jerusalem, Israel,
that would still be a gray area, right.
Speaker 19 (32:01):
So that's the interesting thing is the Supreme Court said, Okay,
the president gets to decide, and then President Trump came
into power and said, well, I get to decided. Okay,
so I'm deciding that if you're born in Jerusalem you
can write.
Speaker 17 (32:12):
But did he say that they did?
Speaker 18 (32:14):
Yes, we did act change policy.
Speaker 19 (32:17):
And another interesting personal connection, My oldest daughter, Era, was
born in Jerusalem, American citizen, had an American passport that
said Jerusalem on it, not Israel. After the case was
over and President Trump trains the policy, she went and
she went and she got her passport reissue to say
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Israel on it.
Speaker 18 (32:38):
And I felt very you know, proud about having a
connection to that.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
But other parents who have children born in Israel have
the same problem.
Speaker 18 (32:46):
So yeah, for all those decades.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Right we lived today, but today if somebody today no today,
now Jerusalem Israel.
Speaker 18 (32:56):
You can choose.
Speaker 19 (32:56):
If you're born in Jerusalem, you can choose to say
Jerusalem or Israel. What's up to the parents' choice or
the child. I guess yeah, the parent. I mean the
child's a baby, so parents' choice. Interestingly, that was not
changed under the Biden administration. I guess they decided that
that was already the path was already sat there, so they.
Speaker 18 (33:15):
So they left it. So that remains a legacy for
the first Trump term.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I want to thank you activishare here one of the
top Orthodox Jewish attorneys in the country involved in constitutional
issues and as you heard, a fascinating case regarding a
Kurdish woman suing the Irany were suing his Bola and
other terrorist groups are being in producted and this has
implications for groups as well. So thank you for work
that you're doing on behalf of all of us, including
the Jewish community.
Speaker 17 (33:40):
Look forward to avenue back again.
Speaker 18 (33:41):
Thanks my pleasure, Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 3 (36:12):
Welcome back to the program, mom Zev Brenner. I had
the privilege the first time I went to Square Expo.
Speaker 17 (36:18):
In fact, it was the first for expo.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
In Rockland County and with us right now is the
mayor of New Square is he Spencer. He's been the
mayor for ten years, but he's actually been deputy mayor
since nineteen ninety eight in service to the community. So welcome,
thank you for joining us, Thank you for inviting me
to the expo.
Speaker 17 (36:36):
Was a marvelous experience.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
By the way, Oh was that pleasure to be here
and that I'm very pleased that I came to I
had the thought and then actually invited you to the expo.
And I'll be honest with you. You are like a
walk into the zibita. I walked with you for quite
a while and everyone went out your tank, is your name?
That just soyo? You heard your voice sev Zev And
(36:59):
what back I saw people how ouxcited and happy they
are with you. And then also people said that how
much they're gaining from your program. So I figure it
is a good platform to be on. And also I
need you have our friendship going back many many years,
and I think this would be a great opportunity to
really inform the Jewish world and the secular world to
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see what squares in the financial and on the outside
world part how they are what they are, and hopefully
this is gonna change a little the perspective and really
add value.
Speaker 17 (37:39):
I agree. First of all, I really of course.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
Of course, and a big kiddish.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Right, And there was a kiddish also because there's the
food was plentiful during the room there, so the kiddish
and kiddish.
Speaker 17 (37:51):
So Mary and I go back a long time, mister Marrier.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
But what I what I liked there was the warm feeling.
Yet five thousand plus more than that people, from what
I understand, you had over two hundred and fifty vendors,
and it was such a bustle activities, all different kinds
of professions, successful business people. And I think that's what's
impressed the people because people say, oh, they don't go
to college, but yet even without a college education, you
had so many, like I said, professionals, successful business people,
(38:18):
and really it was a great place to network and
meet people and to do even more business.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
Well, I'm happy that a Zev that you're bringing out
these points, which is really uh, this is this is
what what the education and and and of course our
Arabi and Usqua this is how we are educated and
the warmth, the warmth and and and the acts and
the unity, which is I think this is this is
(38:45):
a symbol of Square. This, this is what the Rebbe
tracts us all day with us, and and and naturally
by his conduct teaches us and we learned from him
that there's no there's no levels of of of of
of Jews. Of everybody is level A. There could be differences,
but and nobody's looked down at at or anyone is
(39:10):
degraded or not not not mactional and respected that So
I think you saw that yesterday, the respect and the
dignity and and the midst and the warmth from everyone.
I mean you say well over five thousand. There was
well over five thousand people there, and like you say
that probably sixty percent at least or seventy percent were
(39:31):
none none Moose Square residents or affiliated with New Square,
just outside guests from all types of of Hasids for
all types of Orthodox and and and and none of
Orthodox Jews, and even a lot of some different nationalities
came by over there. So yes, it was a great,
(39:52):
great turnout and it was a real mix. And as
you said before, you can see you and we also
put a big emphasis that if you saw how the
food was prepared. We made special sections for the food area,
which is you sit down and eat, you don't just
walk aisles eating and drinking, and and it was it
(40:14):
was all with respect and like a kiddish a shem,
like a real uh consider shp type of exhibit should
exhibit itself.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
I might tell our audience that you had you didn't
have turkey, but you had chunk and coogle among other foods,
so that also is always good to have you if
it's not on jobs.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
What are you sure there was no turkey.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
I didn't see any turkey, but I did have delicious
coogle and shok.
Speaker 6 (40:39):
No, we kept we kept the dairy empire. Yeah, we
didn't want to make good. Yes, yes, you're right exactly.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
But one thing I've gone to a lot of business
ex was the first one I still had a base
metrish We had a desertly base Metrishare, which I thought
that was very interesting too. And of course you had
constant and you and I sat down even learned for
five minutes. There was a share of mini Shehar that
we went to.
Speaker 6 (41:00):
I was amazing, it was amazing. Yes, that's that's that
I wish I remember the name is a special program
they have from Blackwood and that uh each rosenbrum Fall
from medicine title he has a special program learning carouses
and together and businesses. And yes, so you had opportunity
to do that as well. And when you say that,
you said the best, Mattrass. Well, when when Mosquare does something,
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we try to do it right and and and and
we sit down and plan every every aspect and whatever
may is needed and make sure to address every service needed.
And when it comes to the smetters, yes, we made
a special places place for the pismetters over there. We
also had I don't know if you realized we had
(41:46):
sink stations outside the bathrooms and be able to watch
for food, to be able to vash for for doubling
with with with the table and everything. So it's yes,
we we we were put in a lot of a
lot of thought and make sure that that yes, everybody,
every every need is covered in the best way.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
So tell Meles it took a lot of effort. The
first one is always tough. What made you decide to
do an expo and what went into it?
Speaker 6 (42:12):
First of all, there are a lot of other CASSI
doesn't have done it even two or three times already,
and we figured it's about time that Square doesn't a
business expo as well. And I must make a disclosure.
I I am, I was not am not on the
committee of the Square Expo, and I was not I
didn't attend any planning meetings or operational meetings. I was,
(42:37):
I was, I was not involved in that. But but
as the mayor, of course automatically I am evolved with
informational evolvement and and and somnis. But my so so
as I understand and and as I know that's the
planning of it was that the New Square and reality
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and and and this is probably a misc inception out
there in the world. They think that the New Square
like that they is so living and and and such
a enclosed village or like like the bubble a bubble,
a bubble, and and and really I mean I think
I think people most most people don't don't even really
(43:20):
know what New Square is all about. And and then
what type of of of of of uh education and
and and and products, if I may say, come out
from now Square. So there are such talented people on
New Square. I think when you walk the show yesterday,
you saw that in any industry, if it's construction, if
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it's if, IF, if it's real estate, if it's tech,
it if if it's financials, and any industry and any
profession you saw exhibitors there which in any field can
build from ground up. You have architects. I mean, I
can't name it all. I can't name it all.
Speaker 17 (44:02):
What whichever industry financial planners have a plan.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
It's construction. People can build a house from ground up.
You can, you can, you can, you can build the
city from ground up in a way. And when it
comes to tech, cyber tech, and it comes to programming,
you name it every Now in most of them, most
of them, I would say, oh, but most of them
are self made professionals, either by by taking online courses,
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by reading, and by just having the talent itself and
developing the talent. So we knew what's going on. So
we figured it's about time that we really collect all
of them together and exhibit. And it is included all
of the New Square business people, entrepreneurs from from all
five borrows. It's not just Rockland itself from all five borrows.
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But every exhibitor is affiliated with Square and and and
educated the new Square system. I want to bring out
a point there. I don't know if you came a
little later, but I invited the county executive ed Day,
I invited our district attorney, Tom Walsh. I invited the
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sheriff and all from the Justice Department and from the
leadership in Rokan County. I wanted to deliver they say,
pictures a thousand words. I felt this is the perfect
opportunity to be able to show live and show facts,
not have to convince anyone or try to sell a story.
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You see it yourself. You're going to experience something yourself.
So what I told them before is when I announced
and I acknowledged their appearance and being there, I said,
I said to them like this, you see, you read
and you hear from the from the social media, from
the media, and how Moose Square or all the Orthodox
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see them are are painted all over the places that
they're just abusing the system, steal every dollar they can
where possible, just that they're really they're really spoiling society
and it's such a loss hospital the Orthodox shoes. I
told them, you're going to walk here and you're going
to see what's happening here, as I said before, in
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every trade and how professional and honest and trustworthy. So
I want to I want you to tell me afterwards
if this is really the so called I mean it's
called the failed education system. Can you compare? Can you
compare how we are advertised or marketer in the in
the world, and if you can see what what the
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real world, the real square is, and not only Square itself,
but this is this is who who the Orthodox Jews
are with with such talent and and and in the
business world. So I can tell you they couldn't believe it.
They couldn't believe it. They they're left like in a
days what they couldn't compare what they've been reading and
(47:04):
hearing all these years to the actual So it was
such a tremendous kidders And personally I felt the rias
not only for New Square. I felt this is the
opportunity to really have have a breakthrough and and and
and help everybody the Jews throughout this This is this
is it happens to be a square, correct, But this
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is happening in the Jewish world and the Orthodox world,
and this is very very different, and and and I'm
going to be very blunt the lies and all the
accusations and whatever. They're going to see the real truth
over here.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
A lot of business activity. I'm sure a lot of
business will come about. And from what I understand is
that this is going to be an annual event. Are
you already planning the next whether you were the committee
planning the next Square expo?
Speaker 6 (47:54):
Definitely, so listen. But such success, I mean, it was
beyond beyond imaginations going away.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
I didn't expect so many people, so many different kinds
of businesses.
Speaker 17 (48:03):
So I was very impressed.
Speaker 6 (48:05):
To be honest, we're afraid of failure. Failure was was
was always every conversation was a failure was a big,
a big factor, and we couldn't imagure ourselves that this
is this is uh, this is going to be the outcome.
And beyond expectations, I mean, the reviewers and then all
well again did the calls and but people are the
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calling and saying it's I mean, it's beyond it's Terriveric.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
I want to thank you again, Mayor Izzie Spitzer of
New Square for inviting me. I had a marvelous time.
I didn't realize how many listeners I had a New Square.
I have to open up an office in New Square.
Speaker 6 (48:39):
Were doing pretty Welcome your office, and maybe maybe next
time you exhibit with us.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Maybe I think to be able to do a live
broadcast from there, because I'll tell you it was very impressed.
So so many people came over and that listened to the
show grew up on the program. So it was great
to be there. And I thank you again for enviment.
Look forward to having you back and continued success.
Speaker 6 (49:00):
Sev and I want to thank you. You have opportunity
box platform. You're making a tremendous kidder and you have
a very strong impact, and you probably don't realize yourself
how much good comes out from your show. A sham
should give you a lot of de shmaya and should
be able to continue. You good to work a.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
Man, continue also with your holy work. And it's not
easy being mayor right of New Square. Are you any
plans of growing for higher office? Is this the highest
office in New Square?
Speaker 6 (49:26):
By the way, first of the New Square is the
highest office. But but people ask me sometimes you don't
have any plans running for Assembly of the Senate or
other I said, I don't think. I don't think there's
any better or higher position than being mayor and New Square.
And I'm saying a bit with with a lot of
of a novel, not I'm not trying to be here,
(49:48):
A wise guire was saying, But but I say, I'm
not in politics. I haven't avoided it's a tough kit.
It's a privilege to be a mayor and News Square
is a privilege. And I want to tell you know,
people ask me yesterday as mayor of Moosquare, are you
mostly just involved helping people in Mousquare or do you
help people outside of mousqua as well? What's what's happening?
I told him, I think ninety percent of being a disposition,
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the responsibilities and opportunities and accountability is outside of Lusquare.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
And I share your door has always been openever i've called, well,
you've always been welcoming and doors open. I appreciate over
the years you've been in positions in New Square since
nineteen ninety eight, the mayor since at least ten years ago.
Speaker 6 (50:31):
So Mayor, you know, I want I want to you
know what I want to if you can have just
two more minutes. It just came to my mind because
he asked me a question, and I don't know if
you're ware. I was in Washington last week. I met
with the Speaker, Mike Johnson, and through our Congressman Mike Lawler. Okay,
(50:52):
Mike Johnson, the speaker was twice in New Square. He came.
He came. The first time he came, we had a
reception and we had a few hundred boys, kids from
our education system and different ages, and then we had
people for community and we're up there on the stage
and I said to Mike, Mike, don't look at the children.
(51:14):
Look inside the children, look through them, look in their hearts.
What are you seeing. You're seeing purity, You're seeing happiness,
You're seeing dignity, midness, and all around the level what
you see? He melted. You know, he's a he's a
serious a Mike.
Speaker 17 (51:32):
You know, Mike, he's a man, superman.
Speaker 6 (51:35):
So superman. And he looked through it. And I'm tolding you.
When we went down the stage, I said, Mike, I
haven't feeling you want to stay, you don't want to leave.
When I was watching them last week with him, he
repeated that to me. He said to me, and I'll
say he said to me, know throughout this election season,
I traveled in mile Leage like five and a half
half times the globe. My real memories and the best
(52:00):
stuff I had was in Musquare. Now it may sound
a little naive in away, but and of course he
speaking to the mayor of Muscow, I shouldn't desayed. But
I got that feedback throughout from when he left, that
from the first visit up to when I met him again.
It's with him so and honestly this is gonna, I
think support what I said before, that that if it's
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nus Square itself and a mayor and Nusquab he comes
from the south. He had no idea how many times
did he have the opportunity to meet an Orthodox Jew.
The only opportunity he had probably through the social media
and the and the bad coverage we have. So when
he came to New Square and he actually uh first
(52:42):
of a with the Rebbie, of course he met with
the Rebbi like it was beyond. But then then he
experienced himself a reception with with with with with with
the boys and the community itself. This remains with him.
So when it comes to legislation about about education or
anything about containing the Jewish world, and when they try
to sell them this and that and the other, the
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bad publicity he advocates. He says, I'm sorry, I know
who they are. I've experienced with them. I remember that.
I mean, you don't tell me who they are. I
will tell you who they are. So did the impact
and it wasn't meant to him, which which which I
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I was with our guests in China, seemed like yesterday,
quite a while ago. Is I think one of the
most influential Orthodox Jewish attorneys in the country. In fact,
he is Akiva Shapiro. He's been named the City and
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their forties, and he's listed New York's forty something power
player one of them. He's chair of Gibson Dunn's New
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York's administrative law and regulatory practice. He deals with constitutional,
administrative commercial issues. He has been working on a lot
of Jewish as very active in the Jewish community. He
has worked on cases with recovery of assets and artwork
seize during the Holocaust by Germany and Hungary. He's represented
schomershapas that Sabbath observant marinter b d Deutsch and he's
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very fascinating case dealing with an Iranian with a Kurdish
woman who's his Bola and suing the terrorist group.
Speaker 17 (07:03):
So Kiev it welcome to the program. Thank you for
joining us.
Speaker 18 (07:06):
They're a pleasure to be here. Great to see you.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Again because as I was with you and Alice and
Alison and Joseph of course gets a lot of the publicity,
but you also get a lot because you've done so much.
So we're really honored that you're joining us. So there's
so much to talk about. But the case that intrigued
me is the lawsuit that you're bringing on behalf of
a Kurdish woman against his bull tell us about it.
Speaker 18 (07:29):
Sure, so's the case that we filed.
Speaker 19 (07:31):
We filed a lawsuit in federal court in Virginia on
behalf of this woman, Sarah Sealine, who's a Kurdish woman,
Kurdish born now a US citizen though and she was
kidnapped by Guysbola and another Iranian backed terrorist group called
AAH and in a conspiracy together with the former Prime
(07:54):
Minister of Iraq, Nuri al Malachi and some others. And
the story here is it really is out of a
spy novel. How she was kidnapped and then how she
escapes an incredible story. And I'll tell the story and
then we can talk about the bigger picture implications of
what this means for the Jewish community, for lawsuits against
(08:15):
terrorists and some other recent news that it connects with.
But I just think the story itself is kind of wild.
So she's a prominent from a prominent Kurdish family, prominent
Kurdish developer and businesswoman, and one day in September twenty fourteen,
she climbed into her car in Boss for Iraq, and
(08:36):
Boss was kind of famous as a battle site during
the war many years before, and she was suddenly surrounded
by four cars bearing the insignia of the Prime Minister
of Iraq. Twenty armed men jumped out, surrounded her, pulled
her out of her car, and dragged her away. Next
thing she knows, she's in a little apartment building, a
(08:58):
little apartment. She doesn't know where it is, but she's
trying to piece together who abducted her and how and why,
And eventually she figured out that it's Hesbola and this
ah group.
Speaker 18 (09:10):
They're trying to extort her for two million dollars.
Speaker 17 (09:15):
And was she an affluent woman.
Speaker 18 (09:17):
She was an affluent woman.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
She's she's a builder, a builder.
Speaker 19 (09:23):
So she was building a very significant project in the area,
one hundred million dollar project, twenty five hundred secure homes,
was going to secure facility and these secure homes, and
and they they they wanted to extort her to get
money from her to get cut into the project. But
also they accused her of being a CIA and a
(09:45):
Mossad spy. So it's sort of one of these things
where on the one hand there was a commercial and
a monetary element. On the other hand, Kurdish you know,
the Kurdish community was very strongly against both the Iraqi
regime under Saddam Hussin and was terribly persecuted and is
now terribly persecuted by the Turkish government and the Erdowan government,
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and they are soon eased largely, so they are there's
a significant conflicu been seen them and the Shia backed
Iranian regime and those other terrorist groups.
Speaker 18 (10:23):
So there's a lot that was kind of going on.
Speaker 19 (10:25):
But she was held anyways for forty three days in
this little apartment, starved, beaten, They tortured her, they tried
to extract information from her.
Speaker 18 (10:34):
At the end of the forty three days. And she's
an engineer. Also. The whole time they were giving her
food with plastic wear.
Speaker 19 (10:42):
One morning they gave her a metal spoon and after
she ate her breakfast, she secreted away.
Speaker 18 (10:48):
She stuck it away in her pocket. They didn't realize.
Speaker 19 (10:51):
And that night she went into the bathroom and she
used the metal spoon to cut away around the window
frame all the way around and dis lodge the window frame.
Speaker 17 (11:01):
That's her engineering came into a play, came.
Speaker 19 (11:04):
Into play, saved her. She pushed the window out of
the window frame. She saw she was on the third floor.
Apart of building. The third floor, there's a drain pipe.
She shimmy down the drain pipe, got to the second floor,
jumped from one rooftop to the next until she found
a way to get down to the to the first floor.
And by the time the terrorists realized that she was
missing chased after her. She called the police and the
(11:29):
President of Iraq, who was an accomplicent. The Prime Minister
she and one was Kurdish sent forces and there was
this gun battle on the streets. Anyway, she eventually escaped,
came to America, became a US citizen, built herself back up,
and decided she wants to finally bring some justice, use
the American legal system to go after her kidnappers, her torturers,
(11:51):
and find some measure of justice.
Speaker 18 (11:53):
So that's why I came.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
In before I get to the trial and what you're
trying to do. She can make a movie, make a
fortune too, like a wonderful Hollywood movie too, Right?
Speaker 17 (12:02):
Is she considering that as well?
Speaker 19 (12:04):
Every person I've spoken to since I took the case
and said the same thing. So I think I got
to find a producer and a writer maybe and make
it happen.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Because maybe I'll just speak to your wife, Fallis, and
she's in touch with all the Hollywood types.
Speaker 18 (12:15):
Now it's true, it's true.
Speaker 19 (12:17):
Well not only is it, you know, a good story,
but I think it's also it's really good for us
to have that kind of storytelling out there, to have
those stories in the mass media that show heroes fighting
back against terrorism.
Speaker 18 (12:29):
You know, we've seen many of these the.
Speaker 19 (12:31):
Post of Temper post October seventh, movies that have been
very powerful. But you know, I think we can continue
those stories, continue those movie making.
Speaker 18 (12:42):
It's a good Massagana good stories.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
No, absolutely, and I think it'll be commercially very viable.
But let me ask you this question. She was kidnapped
abducted by these terrorists in twenty fourteen. Is there a
statue of limitations when you can sue? Forget the fact
that it's being done in the United States, which is
a whole different story. But isn't there a statue limitations
on it?
Speaker 18 (13:03):
Yes, it's an interesting question. It's a good question.
Speaker 19 (13:07):
So Congress has been very active in trying to open
up the US courts to terror victims and to torture victims.
So there's two separate federal statutes, one called the Torture
Victims Protection Act that allows US citizens to file lawsuits
in federal court even for being victims of torture abroad,
and it cuts away many of the procedural problems that
(13:29):
you sometimes have in bringing these cases. And then there's
another statue called the Anti Terrorism Act, which also is
a very broad statute allowing US citizens and others to
file suit in US court. And so without getting to
the technicalities too much. Both of these statutes have ten
year statue limitations. However, because she was not a US
(13:51):
citizen previously, the statute notations doesn't start until she becomes
a US citizen for one of the statutes, and for
another one, until the defendants are to the US the
statute notations doesn't start. So they're both built to allow,
you know, victims in this situation to be able to
bring cases in the US courts.
Speaker 17 (14:10):
Now, funny you mentioned it.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
I was swing to Steve Fleda, who got some money
for unfortunately for his daughter Elisa, killed by terrorists. But
there have been times with the US government, even though
it's on the books that you want to go after
these terrorist governments like Iran and others, and other times
where they really don't want the victims to go after, right,
don't depend.
Speaker 19 (14:28):
On It's very frustrating because Congress has been very good
about this consistently, They've passed law after law trying to
provide for this. But both the executive branch, you know,
the presidents and Secretary of the State under administrations of
both parties, have often intervened in these cases to say
that he's going to create a matter of you know,
(14:50):
a political issue or a foreign policy issue, and in
allowing the cases to advance. So they're kind of in
a clash between Congress that wants to expand these cases
and the executive branch that doesn't.
Speaker 18 (15:01):
And even more frustratingly for me as.
Speaker 19 (15:03):
A lawyer, the courts, including the Supreme Court, have i
would say, extended themselves often to undo the things that
Congress has wanted to do. So there's been many cases
where Congress has passed the law allowing for these kind
of cases, goes up to the Supreme Court and they pass,
and then they find very narrowly to disallow these kinds
(15:25):
of claims. So, for example, there was a case that
somebody sued the Palestinian authority of the PLO for terrorism
under the Anti Terrorism Act, went up to the US
Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court said that that statute
is only available against individual terrorists individual persons, not against
terrorist groups. There was a reading of the statute that
allowed them to get there, but it was a very
(15:47):
frustrating result that I think is totally contrary to the
congressional intent. Like if you had asked the Congress members
are when you pass this Anti Terrorism Act, can you
sue the PLO a terrorist organization? They of course would
have said, yes, that's what there for. And yet they're,
you know, come up with these kind of technicalities to get.
Speaker 18 (16:04):
Out of that.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
So can Congress pass legislation to change that to make
it more clear?
Speaker 17 (16:08):
But that's something that should be on the books.
Speaker 19 (16:11):
Yeah, and they can, and they actually have in various instances,
not in that specific case. I would love that they
if they would, there have been there's this kind of
dance happening between the courts and Congress where the courts
narrow these these statutes, Congress goes back and expands them,
and the courdinarism again. And so we've been in that
(16:31):
dance also in the Holocaust recovery setting that's happened. So
it's an ongoing process. But yes, Congress, and I'm hopeful
in this Congress that's coming up that this is going
to be one of those things that's priority is to
address some of these decisions where Congress has the authority
because it's not it's not a constitutional issue. It's not
like some constitutional problem. It's just the court's interpreting statutes
(16:55):
in a certain way.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Our guess there's top Orthodox attorney a Kivaship Heroes with
Gibson Dunn. He's evolved in Constitutional Minister of Commercials, very
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I just opened up a brand new office in Flatbush
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I specialize in orthopedic and medical foot issues, crafting and
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prescribing custom made orthotics from between seventy five two hundred
patients every week.
Speaker 14 (17:50):
That's a lot of happy feet.
Speaker 13 (17:52):
For those who have Medicaid managed care, orthopedic shoes would
be covered if you are in medical need of custom
made orthonics, whether it's plentifass right as Bunyans, which is.
Speaker 15 (18:02):
Everyday aches, don't let foot pain hold you back.
Speaker 13 (18:05):
Also a practice speed flexology, combining my knowledge of feet
and lower extremity issues with easter medicine. I like to
think of myself as a sole healer, not just the podiatrist.
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Visit my new flappish office at.
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We don't know yet, but we heard the hubby and
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Our guests's top Orthodox Jewish attorney, A Kiva Shapiro is
with Gibson Dunn. He's involved in Constitutional minister commercials, very
much evolved in Jewish community. Is litigating a case regarding
a Couragius woman suing the terrorist group as Buller for
abducting her in twenty fourteen. I know that there's also
a connection that and I think Jewish groups are watching
(21:27):
this case at Kiva because if you're successful and she's successful,
opens the door. For example, the murderers of the Kabbad
Rabbi just the other day, right, does that.
Speaker 17 (21:36):
Open the door?
Speaker 18 (21:37):
Yeah, it certainly does.
Speaker 17 (21:39):
Coogan from Kabbad was killed.
Speaker 19 (21:42):
Yeah, it's I mean there's obviously a horrible, tragic event,
and I wish we weren't in the situation where we
had to find, you know, justice through the courts. It's
only a very tiny, small measure of justice that can
never really fully address these kinds of terrible But I
do hope, and I do I do. We are trying
(22:05):
to keep the pressure on these groups with these kind
of lawsuits, and also to expand the avenues in the
US courts, like you said, to create good precedent that
will pave the way for other victims of terror in
other situations, including many times in the Jewish community, to
be able to bring these lawsuits, these kinds of claims
(22:25):
in US courts, and and kind of on a personal level,
you mentioned Rabbi Cogan and his abduction and his murder.
You know, I filed this lawsuit on Friday this past Friday,
and I found out that same day that he had
been abducted in the UAE, And it felt to me
like there was a there's something, you know, there's a
(22:48):
connection there, in part because Rabbi Cogan's uncle and aunt
were Rabbi Gavriel and Rivka Holtzberg, who remember were murdered
and to eight in Mumbai. And when that happened, we
had just our young our oldest son had just been born.
Speaker 18 (23:08):
He was born on November.
Speaker 19 (23:10):
Twenty six, two thousand and eight, so the same exact
day that the Holtzburgs were murdered. And when I heard
about that, I think it was that Friday night, sitting
in schule, hearing the rabbi speak about the their murder,
I thought to myself, you know, really we should it
would be a beautiful thing to name our son after
a rebelue Go Real Holsburg. So already had two names
(23:32):
for our son, Ruy is Huck and we added got
Riel as the third name, and so the special it was,
it's in and we tell him about you know, who
he's named for, and it's very you know, it's a
very meaningful thing for him for us. But unfortunately this cycle,
you know, that was sixteen years ago, right November twenty
six eight, and unfortunately we're still in this battle. We're
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still in this war. And I think in a certain
sense it's being come more more clarified as time goes on,
of course after October seventh, but also in recent really
recent weeks and days that on the one side, Russia, Iran,
North Korea, Hesbola, Kamas and the terrorist groups, and on
(24:16):
the other side all the freedom loving good people of
the world, and they the forces of evil. They've really
been aligned from two thousand and eight and before long before,
but I think in more recently we see how clearly
they are coordinating, sending troops to one another, sending money
to one another, in this kind of access of evil,
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and I think it's just a reminder to us that
we also have to unify on the other side.
Speaker 17 (24:46):
Now walk us through.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
By the way, is there any Jewish groups that sums
or Israeli groups sue and comas after October seventh that
you know about?
Speaker 19 (24:54):
Yeah, there are a couple very significant lawsuits which I'm
certainly watching for victims of victims of October seventh, including
many US citizens who have brought lawsuits in the United States.
There's a lawsuit that was broughting on Amas. There's another
lawsuit that was brought against Iran for its and and
(25:17):
Cutter for their state support for Hamas. So that there's
definitely a lot of activity in that space, and I'm
hopeful that we'll we'll see some good results there.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Now, sometimes you mentioned. The courts have been sometimes have
very narrow definitions. Wouldn't allow victims of terrorism to collect
money somebody's the administrations. I'm an happy about it too,
firing what I recall, somebody's the administration wants to get.
For example, I RAN's good, so I don't want to
release the money, right so they can also put a
broad blocks and have put.
Speaker 18 (25:48):
A bro blox they have.
Speaker 19 (25:50):
This is another instance though, where there has been some
activity in the good direction. So there's a fun now
specifically for Iranian victors, for basically people who have money
judgments against Iran. And so if you get a money
judgment against Iran, there is a pot of money to
collect from and that they've that's been kind of collected
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from various Iranian assets. Even so, collecting a judgment on
these kinds of cases.
Speaker 18 (26:17):
Very difficult, you know.
Speaker 19 (26:19):
I kind of think of it as like step by step,
let's just get into court, let's get you know, everyone served,
let's get a decision in our favor, let's get a judgment.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
But but I assume under a Trump administration might be
using it, under a Biden administration to collect money from
my Ran or a well, I would assume that.
Speaker 18 (26:34):
Yeah, I mean, I think likely so, and I think
likely less.
Speaker 19 (26:38):
There will be less roadblocks as far as the State
Department intervening to to create issues there. And I think
there's another, you know, opportunities there on the political front
to engage Congress and the administration, because you know, it's
it's one in a sense, it's a low hanging fruit,
like who doesn't you know, hate terrorists and want justice.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
But there are a lot of a lot there are
a lot of calculations some of the elected officials and
walk me through how long does it take you follow
the lawsuit and how does it work? I'm sugging the
list years to list decades. Give us a time frame.
Speaker 19 (27:15):
Yeah, so it certainly can last years and decades, although
it doesn't have to necessarily, you know, I think for
these for these defendants, they're all overseas.
Speaker 18 (27:25):
They're not showing up in the United States.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Who shows noralis shows up. They may be afraid to
so they just hire lawyers, so they just ignore it.
Speaker 19 (27:34):
So we have to find ways to serve them. That's
kind of the first step.
Speaker 17 (27:37):
Maybe it's what they were in Lebanon now anyway, well,
at least they were there.
Speaker 19 (27:40):
You go, guysbody my service a process hand off.
Speaker 18 (27:49):
That's a good idea of curiosity.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
If a has bal leader is served and then he's assassinated,
does that mean that you have to serve it again
to somebody else?
Speaker 17 (27:57):
How does that work legally?
Speaker 18 (27:59):
It's a good question.
Speaker 19 (28:00):
I think there's too much law developed there. You've got
high enough. But like person, they they can represent the organization.
But I looked there are various ways to serve kind
of difficult to serve the individuals and can get permission
from the court to email them.
Speaker 18 (28:15):
They've often many of them have been represented.
Speaker 19 (28:17):
By lawyers in the past and other cases, so we
can serve those lawyers.
Speaker 18 (28:20):
We can serve the embassies.
Speaker 19 (28:22):
You know, we the neurial Malachi, the for Prime Minister
of Iraq, has assets in a lot of places, and
you know, he is potentially reachable. There's some other individuals
that are defendants that are less well known, but also
travel you know, to various places around the world and
can be served.
Speaker 18 (28:40):
So we've got to serve everyone.
Speaker 19 (28:41):
That's kind of step number one, or get the court's
permission to get them served, and then either they're going
to show up and fight it or they're not, and
that you know, it's hard to know what's going to
happen here.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Do they want to fight because the most cases they're
going to lose, so and then they're going to make
it difficult to try to collect anyways, So do they
want to spend resources defend and knowing they're all likely
they're going to lose.
Speaker 19 (29:05):
Yeah, a lot of times they don't. A lot of
times they won't show up. We'll get a default judgment
of the plane. If we'll get a default judgment, and
then when they finally try to collect on that judgment,
then the people will show, you know, then the defense
will show up to try to fight it at that point.
Speaker 18 (29:18):
This is also just like a pet peeve of mine.
Speaker 19 (29:20):
I think the loss should be that if you choose
not to show up in court and not to fight
the case at the opportunity that you have, you shouldn't
have the opportunity to later come in and say, oh,
now that you've got a judgment against me, I'm gonna
fight it now. That just seems like, especially for kind
of bad actors.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
So what you need You need Congress to enact that rule.
Could the judges impose that?
Speaker 18 (29:42):
Realistically? It would have to be a congressional.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Now's the time to get that done in a few
months after remaining. One of the cases that I watched
over the year was the Tupsky case of family that
gave birth twenty some years ago, the child in Jerusalem.
The State Department refuse to register the child being born
in Jerusalem. Is I listed Jerusalem without being Israel. I
know that Lewen represented. I know you were revolved in
(30:06):
the case. It finally got resolved during the first Frum presidency.
Speaker 17 (30:09):
Talk about that.
Speaker 19 (30:10):
Yeah, So this was a great experience for me and
a great result at the end of the day. Nat
Lewin was my law school professor Religious Minorities and Supreme
Court litigation. I think his class of Columbia. So it's
a great class. And that's how my first introductor of
the Supreme Court. We went down to the court for
an argument, and not Justice Scalia there. It was all
law school classmate of Matt Lewis. So when that was
(30:33):
representing Zevatovsky, the family the kid. When the Supreme Court
took the case, I said, oh, that's my old ball professor,
and it's Israel, it's foreign relations, it's constitutional issues. This
is great so long story show ends up representing members
of Congress as Friends of the Court amiki. So we
wrote a friend of the Court brief supporting Zibatovsky's position,
(30:55):
And it's kind of one of those things where it's
like you just never know where how the law is
going to win and the politics are going to wind
their way through. So I'm sorry short at the end
of the day, we lost the case. We were trying
to say that Congress had the authority. Congress had passed
this law telling the President of the State Department, if
somebody is born in Israel, they can and they can
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choose to put Israel on their passwords. If they're born
in Jerusalem, they can choose to put his on the passwords.
The president said, I'm not doing that. We lost the case.
The Supreme Court said it's up to the president to decide.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
It's not up to Congress, which which president was in
power that time.
Speaker 18 (31:31):
At that time, it was passed under President Bush. George W.
Speaker 19 (31:35):
Bush was the first and you know, the first president
that did not enforce this, and then President Obama as
well also it didn't enforce it.
Speaker 18 (31:43):
So that was another one of those kind of cross.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
But did it become a new pointcause I know that
President Trump recognized jerusma of the capital of Israel as
far as having the embassy, but did that officially make
that the case where I couldn't get this from that?
Speaker 17 (31:55):
Leeuwin.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
If so Tosky go to America could be registered Jerusalem, Israel,
that would still be a gray area, right.
Speaker 19 (32:01):
So that's the interesting thing is the Supreme Court said, Okay,
the president gets to decide, and then President Trump came
into power and said, well, I get to decided. Okay,
so I'm deciding that if you're born in Jerusalem you
can write.
Speaker 17 (32:12):
But did he say that they did?
Speaker 18 (32:14):
Yes, we did act change policy.
Speaker 19 (32:17):
And another interesting personal connection, My oldest daughter, Era, was
born in Jerusalem, American citizen, had an American passport that
said Jerusalem on it, not Israel. After the case was
over and President Trump trains the policy, she went and
she went and she got her passport reissue to say
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Israel on it.
Speaker 18 (32:38):
And I felt very you know, proud about having a
connection to that.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
But other parents who have children born in Israel have
the same problem.
Speaker 18 (32:46):
So yeah, for all those decades.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Right we lived today, but today if somebody today no today,
now Jerusalem Israel.
Speaker 18 (32:56):
You can choose.
Speaker 19 (32:56):
If you're born in Jerusalem, you can choose to say
Jerusalem or Israel. What's up to the parents' choice or
the child. I guess yeah, the parent. I mean the
child's a baby, so parents' choice. Interestingly, that was not
changed under the Biden administration. I guess they decided that
that was already the path was already sat there, so they.
Speaker 18 (33:15):
So they left it. So that remains a legacy for
the first Trump term.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
I want to thank you activishare here one of the
top Orthodox Jewish attorneys in the country involved in constitutional
issues and as you heard, a fascinating case regarding a
Kurdish woman suing the Irany were suing his Bola and
other terrorist groups are being in producted and this has
implications for groups as well. So thank you for work
that you're doing on behalf of all of us, including
the Jewish community.
Speaker 17 (33:40):
Look forward to avenue back again.
Speaker 18 (33:41):
Thanks my pleasure, Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 3 (36:12):
Welcome back to the program, mom Zev Brenner. I had
the privilege the first time I went to Square Expo.
Speaker 17 (36:18):
In fact, it was the first for expo.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
In Rockland County and with us right now is the
mayor of New Square is he Spencer. He's been the
mayor for ten years, but he's actually been deputy mayor
since nineteen ninety eight in service to the community. So welcome,
thank you for joining us, Thank you for inviting me
to the expo.
Speaker 17 (36:36):
Was a marvelous experience.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
By the way, Oh was that pleasure to be here
and that I'm very pleased that I came to I
had the thought and then actually invited you to the expo.
And I'll be honest with you. You are like a
walk into the zibita. I walked with you for quite
a while and everyone went out your tank, is your name?
That just soyo? You heard your voice sev Zev And
(36:59):
what back I saw people how ouxcited and happy they
are with you. And then also people said that how
much they're gaining from your program. So I figure it
is a good platform to be on. And also I
need you have our friendship going back many many years,
and I think this would be a great opportunity to
really inform the Jewish world and the secular world to
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see what squares in the financial and on the outside
world part how they are what they are, and hopefully
this is gonna change a little the perspective and really
add value.
Speaker 17 (37:39):
I agree. First of all, I really of course.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
Of course, and a big kiddish.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Right, And there was a kiddish also because there's the
food was plentiful during the room there, so the kiddish
and kiddish.
Speaker 17 (37:51):
So Mary and I go back a long time, mister Marrier.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
But what I what I liked there was the warm feeling.
Yet five thousand plus more than that people, from what
I understand, you had over two hundred and fifty vendors,
and it was such a bustle activities, all different kinds
of professions, successful business people. And I think that's what's
impressed the people because people say, oh, they don't go
to college, but yet even without a college education, you
had so many, like I said, professionals, successful business people,
(38:18):
and really it was a great place to network and
meet people and to do even more business.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
Well, I'm happy that a Zev that you're bringing out
these points, which is really uh, this is this is
what what the education and and and of course our
Arabi and Usqua this is how we are educated and
the warmth, the warmth and and and the acts and
the unity, which is I think this is this is
(38:45):
a symbol of Square. This, this is what the Rebbe
tracts us all day with us, and and and naturally
by his conduct teaches us and we learned from him
that there's no there's no levels of of of of
of Jews. Of everybody is level A. There could be differences,
but and nobody's looked down at at or anyone is
(39:10):
degraded or not not not mactional and respected that So
I think you saw that yesterday, the respect and the
dignity and and the midst and the warmth from everyone.
I mean you say well over five thousand. There was
well over five thousand people there, and like you say
that probably sixty percent at least or seventy percent were
(39:31):
none none Moose Square residents or affiliated with New Square,
just outside guests from all types of of Hasids for
all types of Orthodox and and and and none of
Orthodox Jews, and even a lot of some different nationalities
came by over there. So yes, it was a great,
(39:52):
great turnout and it was a real mix. And as
you said before, you can see you and we also
put a big emphasis that if you saw how the
food was prepared. We made special sections for the food area,
which is you sit down and eat, you don't just
walk aisles eating and drinking, and and it was it
(40:14):
was all with respect and like a kiddish a shem,
like a real uh consider shp type of exhibit should
exhibit itself.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
I might tell our audience that you had you didn't
have turkey, but you had chunk and coogle among other foods,
so that also is always good to have you if
it's not on jobs.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
What are you sure there was no turkey.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
I didn't see any turkey, but I did have delicious
coogle and shok.
Speaker 6 (40:39):
No, we kept we kept the dairy empire. Yeah, we
didn't want to make good. Yes, yes, you're right exactly.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
But one thing I've gone to a lot of business
ex was the first one I still had a base
metrish We had a desertly base Metrishare, which I thought
that was very interesting too. And of course you had
constant and you and I sat down even learned for
five minutes. There was a share of mini Shehar that
we went to.
Speaker 6 (41:00):
I was amazing, it was amazing. Yes, that's that's that
I wish I remember the name is a special program
they have from Blackwood and that uh each rosenbrum Fall
from medicine title he has a special program learning carouses
and together and businesses. And yes, so you had opportunity
to do that as well. And when you say that,
you said the best, Mattrass. Well, when when Mosquare does something,
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we try to do it right and and and and
we sit down and plan every every aspect and whatever
may is needed and make sure to address every service needed.
And when it comes to the smetters, yes, we made
a special places place for the pismetters over there. We
also had I don't know if you realized we had
(41:46):
sink stations outside the bathrooms and be able to watch
for food, to be able to vash for for doubling
with with with the table and everything. So it's yes,
we we we were put in a lot of a
lot of thought and make sure that that yes, everybody,
every every need is covered in the best way.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
So tell Meles it took a lot of effort. The
first one is always tough. What made you decide to
do an expo and what went into it?
Speaker 6 (42:12):
First of all, there are a lot of other CASSI
doesn't have done it even two or three times already,
and we figured it's about time that Square doesn't a
business expo as well. And I must make a disclosure.
I I am, I was not am not on the
committee of the Square Expo, and I was not I
didn't attend any planning meetings or operational meetings. I was,
(42:37):
I was, I was not involved in that. But but
as the mayor, of course automatically I am evolved with
informational evolvement and and and somnis. But my so so
as I understand and and as I know that's the
planning of it was that the New Square and reality
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and and and this is probably a misc inception out
there in the world. They think that the New Square
like that they is so living and and and such
a enclosed village or like like the bubble a bubble,
a bubble, and and and really I mean I think
I think people most most people don't don't even really
(43:20):
know what New Square is all about. And and then
what type of of of of of uh education and
and and and products, if I may say, come out
from now Square. So there are such talented people on
New Square. I think when you walk the show yesterday,
you saw that in any industry, if it's construction, if
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it's if, IF, if it's real estate, if it's tech,
it if if it's financials, and any industry and any
profession you saw exhibitors there which in any field can
build from ground up. You have architects. I mean, I
can't name it all. I can't name it all.
Speaker 17 (44:02):
What whichever industry financial planners have a plan.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
It's construction. People can build a house from ground up.
You can, you can, you can, you can build the
city from ground up in a way. And when it
comes to tech, cyber tech, and it comes to programming,
you name it every Now in most of them, most
of them, I would say, oh, but most of them
are self made professionals, either by by taking online courses,
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by reading, and by just having the talent itself and
developing the talent. So we knew what's going on. So
we figured it's about time that we really collect all
of them together and exhibit. And it is included all
of the New Square business people, entrepreneurs from from all
five borrows. It's not just Rockland itself from all five borrows.
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But every exhibitor is affiliated with Square and and and
educated the new Square system. I want to bring out
a point there. I don't know if you came a
little later, but I invited the county executive ed Day,
I invited our district attorney, Tom Walsh. I invited the
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sheriff and all from the Justice Department and from the
leadership in Rokan County. I wanted to deliver they say,
pictures a thousand words. I felt this is the perfect
opportunity to be able to show live and show facts,
not have to convince anyone or try to sell a story.
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You see it yourself. You're going to experience something yourself.
So what I told them before is when I announced
and I acknowledged their appearance and being there, I said,
I said to them like this, you see, you read
and you hear from the from the social media, from
the media, and how Moose Square or all the Orthodox
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see them are are painted all over the places that
they're just abusing the system, steal every dollar they can
where possible, just that they're really they're really spoiling society
and it's such a loss hospital the Orthodox shoes. I
told them, you're going to walk here and you're going
to see what's happening here, as I said before, in
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every trade and how professional and honest and trustworthy. So
I want to I want you to tell me afterwards
if this is really the so called I mean it's
called the failed education system. Can you compare? Can you
compare how we are advertised or marketer in the in
the world, and if you can see what what the
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real world, the real square is, and not only Square itself,
but this is this is who who the Orthodox Jews
are with with such talent and and and in the
business world. So I can tell you they couldn't believe it.
They couldn't believe it. They they're left like in a
days what they couldn't compare what they've been reading and
(47:04):
hearing all these years to the actual So it was
such a tremendous kidders And personally I felt the rias
not only for New Square. I felt this is the
opportunity to really have have a breakthrough and and and
and help everybody the Jews throughout this This is this
is it happens to be a square, correct, But this
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is happening in the Jewish world and the Orthodox world,
and this is very very different, and and and I'm
going to be very blunt the lies and all the
accusations and whatever. They're going to see the real truth
over here.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
A lot of business activity. I'm sure a lot of
business will come about. And from what I understand is
that this is going to be an annual event. Are
you already planning the next whether you were the committee
planning the next Square expo?
Speaker 6 (47:54):
Definitely, so listen. But such success, I mean, it was
beyond beyond imaginations going away.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
I didn't expect so many people, so many different kinds
of businesses.
Speaker 17 (48:03):
So I was very impressed.
Speaker 6 (48:05):
To be honest, we're afraid of failure. Failure was was
was always every conversation was a failure was a big,
a big factor, and we couldn't imagure ourselves that this
is this is uh, this is going to be the outcome.
And beyond expectations, I mean, the reviewers and then all
well again did the calls and but people are the
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calling and saying it's I mean, it's beyond it's Terriveric.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
I want to thank you again, Mayor Izzie Spitzer of
New Square for inviting me. I had a marvelous time.
I didn't realize how many listeners I had a New Square.
I have to open up an office in New Square.
Speaker 6 (48:39):
Were doing pretty Welcome your office, and maybe maybe next
time you exhibit with us.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Maybe I think to be able to do a live
broadcast from there, because I'll tell you it was very impressed.
So so many people came over and that listened to the
show grew up on the program. So it was great
to be there. And I thank you again for enviment.
Look forward to having you back and continued success.
Speaker 6 (49:00):
Sev and I want to thank you. You have opportunity
box platform. You're making a tremendous kidder and you have
a very strong impact, and you probably don't realize yourself
how much good comes out from your show. A sham
should give you a lot of de shmaya and should
be able to continue. You good to work a.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
Man, continue also with your holy work. And it's not
easy being mayor right of New Square. Are you any
plans of growing for higher office? Is this the highest
office in New Square?
Speaker 6 (49:26):
By the way, first of the New Square is the
highest office. But but people ask me sometimes you don't
have any plans running for Assembly of the Senate or
other I said, I don't think. I don't think there's
any better or higher position than being mayor and New Square.
And I'm saying a bit with with a lot of
of a novel, not I'm not trying to be here,
(49:48):
A wise guire was saying, But but I say, I'm
not in politics. I haven't avoided it's a tough kit.
It's a privilege to be a mayor and News Square
is a privilege. And I want to tell you know,
people ask me yesterday as mayor of Moosquare, are you
mostly just involved helping people in Mousquare or do you
help people outside of mousqua as well? What's what's happening?
I told him, I think ninety percent of being a disposition,
(50:12):
the responsibilities and opportunities and accountability is outside of Lusquare.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
And I share your door has always been openever i've called, well,
you've always been welcoming and doors open. I appreciate over
the years you've been in positions in New Square since
nineteen ninety eight, the mayor since at least ten years ago.
Speaker 6 (50:31):
So Mayor, you know, I want I want to you
know what I want to if you can have just
two more minutes. It just came to my mind because
he asked me a question, and I don't know if
you're ware. I was in Washington last week. I met
with the Speaker, Mike Johnson, and through our Congressman Mike Lawler. Okay,
(50:52):
Mike Johnson, the speaker was twice in New Square. He came.
He came. The first time he came, we had a
reception and we had a few hundred boys, kids from
our education system and different ages, and then we had
people for community and we're up there on the stage
and I said to Mike, Mike, don't look at the children.
(51:14):
Look inside the children, look through them, look in their hearts.
What are you seeing. You're seeing purity, You're seeing happiness,
You're seeing dignity, midness, and all around the level what
you see? He melted. You know, he's a he's a
serious a Mike.
Speaker 17 (51:32):
You know, Mike, he's a man, superman.
Speaker 6 (51:35):
So superman. And he looked through it. And I'm tolding you.
When we went down the stage, I said, Mike, I
haven't feeling you want to stay, you don't want to leave.
When I was watching them last week with him, he
repeated that to me. He said to me, and I'll
say he said to me, know throughout this election season,
I traveled in mile Leage like five and a half
half times the globe. My real memories and the best
(52:00):
stuff I had was in Musquare. Now it may sound
a little naive in away, but and of course he
speaking to the mayor of Muscow, I shouldn't desayed. But
I got that feedback throughout from when he left, that
from the first visit up to when I met him again.
It's with him so and honestly this is gonna, I
think support what I said before, that that if it's
(52:21):
nus Square itself and a mayor and Nusquab he comes
from the south. He had no idea how many times
did he have the opportunity to meet an Orthodox Jew.
The only opportunity he had probably through the social media
and the and the bad coverage we have. So when
he came to New Square and he actually uh first
(52:42):
of a with the Rebbie, of course he met with
the Rebbi like it was beyond. But then then he
experienced himself a reception with with with with with with
the boys and the community itself. This remains with him.
So when it comes to legislation about about education or
anything about containing the Jewish world, and when they try
to sell them this and that and the other, the
(53:03):
bad publicity he advocates. He says, I'm sorry, I know
who they are. I've experienced with them. I remember that.
I mean, you don't tell me who they are. I
will tell you who they are. So did the impact
and it wasn't meant to him, which which which I
I I confirmed with him last week over there. So
so this this, this is what we're trying. We're trying
(53:26):
really to to to get the message out there. And
and and well we're desperate for the ms for the
truth that that's what we're asking for. Really, don't don't
don't fool yourselves, be honest and accept what the facts are.
Speaker 17 (53:41):
Definitely the was.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
There was a wonderful, wonderful experience being at the Scarrecs.
We're looking forward to the SCARECX. But number two and
Mayor is especially thank you for joining us.
Speaker 6 (53:50):
All the best, take care, all the best, Take care by.
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