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December 23, 2025 67 mins
Curtis Sliwa filled in for Mark Simone and began the show by reflecting on the tragic death of Debrina Kawam, who was burned to death on a New York City subway about a year ago by Sebastian Zapeta, who has since been charged with murder and other offenses. Curtis questioned whether the media has given this heartbreaking story the attention it deserves as we remember the anniversary of Kawam's death. To honor her memory, Curtis and the Guardian Angels held a commemorative event yesterday at the F train station in Coney Island, where the incident occurred. Curtis takes your calls, discussing his return to radio and the impact of Debrina Kawam's death. He invited callers to share their thoughts on both the tragedy and broader issues related to crime and safety in New York City. Curtis Sliwa fills in for Mark Simone. Who is currently the most respected Black figure within the Black community? Curtis offers his own perspective, noting that a former President often comes to mind. Additionally, he mentioned the annual Polish parade, encouraging listeners to check it out. Curtis takes your calls to discuss various topics, including recent happenings at Curtis's former radio station and their own views on influential Black leaders.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now the Guardian Angel of talk radio is here. Curtis
Leewah guest host the Mark Simone Show on sevent ten.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Woor oh yeah, let's do it day two.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
As I sit in for Mark Simon, I mean, this
is the guy who's smooth. Some of that song by
Shah Day nineteen eighty four. I remember hearing it in
London first time when I organized the Guardian Angels, their
smooth operator. Nobody's smoother in this business, this thing of ours,

(00:48):
this is the business we have chosen talk radio. Nobody's
done it longer than Mark Simone locally, but I'm sort
of the tagalog thirty five years and to be thirty
and now at the radio station where it all started
for me, not as a host but as a guest.

(01:09):
When I got the bug TV bug was rom Perum.
That was before WOR Radio seven ten, when I was
interviewed by Arlen Francis who had the midday show, when
I was the newspaper Boy of the Year having gotten
an award from Richard Nixon. And I remember the studios

(01:29):
they have fourteen forty Broadway. I think I'm not trying
to remember if rom Perum was actually on Channel nine
I think it was at the TV studios in Midtown Manhattan,
not far from where the ball is going to drop.
Welcoming in the new year and the change over from

(01:51):
the missing in action mayor the swaggerman with no plan
Eric Adams, who got wine dined in pocket lined over
the years. Thank god, he'll be gone. Has he gotten
back yet? Is he from his perpetual vacation, his travels
around the world at taxpayer's expension, sort of like Matt Lauer,
remember before he got the boot at NBC. Where's Matt

(02:12):
Lawa today? Where's Eric Adams today? On our dime? We're
paying for all that. We'll get into all of that.
And then also, uh oh boy. At the dysfunctional home
of WABC, the former house of always broadcasting critics Sliwa,
now always bashing critics Sliwa, one of their hosts just

(02:37):
he lost it yesterday. Greg Kelly, Oh my god, he
just went on and on. People were telling me on
the streets of Coney Island, listen to him, this guy,
he's having an episode. He certainly was. Wow And in fact,
he used words that I heard that hadn't been said

(02:59):
to me on the radio since back in nineteen ninety two,
I had on as a guest of Angels in the Morning,
where I was hosting with my wife at that time,
Lisa and al Lisa Evers at Channel five, guy named
Louis Kasman who was like the adopted son of John Gottisenia,

(03:22):
and he was coming on to defend John gottisin You,
who have been found guilty for the final time triple
life without parole because of the rat Sami de Bolgovano
and the memory X tapes of conversations they had had
over the Ravennight Social club in Italy where he was
ordering the executions of his fellow Gambino crime family members.

(03:48):
And Louis Kasman was on the air and he was
defending him, and it was a very heated discussion, and
I remember what Louis Kasmin said. He said, Curtis, you
better keep your mouth shut if you know what's good
for you. And soon after remember I got shot five

(04:09):
times with the hollow point bullets in the back of
that yellow cab on my way to WABC. We'll get
into that later on, you know what to missaid? Well,
yesterday the mow Green there at WABC. Yeah, Greg Kelly,
he's like Mo Green from the Godfather. You know, tough guy,
tough guy, except these Irish not Jewish. He said exactly

(04:32):
the same thing he announces on the microphone, and I
heard it for myself. Curtis, keep your mouth shut. If
you know what's good for you. What do you think
you mean by that? Is that that foe for Gazy
rage because he has anger management issues? Well, look, I'm

(04:55):
gonna get into it. We'll do the deep dive. A
dysfunctional former family at WABC tries to still haunt me
to this day even though I'm at the station. You
should all be listening to now War seven ten, the
absolute best with Larry Mente in the morning and then

(05:16):
obviously Mark Simon, my very dear friend in the afternoons
for many many years, Sean Hannity, the rock ribbed all
American conservative voice of reason from Franklin Square along Island
doesn't get any better. And the whole panoply of shows
that you get here as opposed to where he may

(05:36):
have been. But let's talk about what occurred yesterday. And
I want to give credit to Natalie the wr team
here producer in the morning, who also does the news
from time to time and She spoke to everybody here
at seven ten yesterday morning before my debut and talked

(05:58):
about how I am the Guardian Angels would be out
at Coney Island Stillwell Avenue to commemorate, memorialize the death
of the Debbie Kowom, also known as the Marina Kowam
from Little Falls, New Jersey. You say, who's that? Well,

(06:20):
a year ago the whole world knew, at least for
the first nine days when she could not be identified
because she was burnt so badly, turned into a human
torch by an enemy of society. It came to this
city with the royal red carpet rolled out for him

(06:43):
by Joe Biden, bioarchist Harris and yeah, oh yeah, at
that time the Biden of Brooklyn, Eric Adams, So we'll
be talking about him also later on today. The house
mouse said he was for twenty two years as a
cop in the NYPD. And it seems like in one
year's time the memory of the most heinous, horrific crime

(07:09):
in the New York City subway system, in fact, in
New York City's history, involving one victim, just wiped from
the memory cells. Credit though, to Natalie for bringing that
to the surface of what we would do. I'll get
into that momentarily. And also to the New York Posts.

(07:34):
Catherine don Levy, a reporter who had covered this horror
a year ago. They're now doing a video broadcast to
sort of remind people, because it just seems the rest
of the media and most people from them, it's out
of sight, out of mind. Part of that is due
to what the City of New York does not want

(07:58):
you to know about. All the crime in the subway.
Look at it, all the series of stabbings that have
occurred of late, all the homeless and emotionally disturbed. They're
still living in the system. I know. Coming here this morning,
I ran into so many of them, some who I
know personally. So we eulogized de Brina Kwam on the

(08:21):
anniversary that horrible death. We had the reth out. We
had pictures people were passing by a very crowded station
where the F train D train merges with the N
and Q. Nobody knew, and we said to say her name.
Nobody knew. And there are so many thousands of homeless

(08:45):
and emotionally disturbed out there. They won't be home for Christmas.
Their home is an unsafe shelter, a subway car, a
subway station, a platform, a park, or the streets, and
they all have a unique story. His DeBie Kwalms the

(09:06):
age of fifty seven, she had become homeless, destitute, and
clearly was emotionally disturbed when she was set on fire
on that f train on the morning of December twenty
second of last year, at seven point thirty. Where was
she from? Little Falls, New Jersey? Grew up in a
small white house. A father work assembly line at the

(09:29):
GM factory in Lynden, no longer operational, her mother at
a bakery store. She had her sister and brother. An
all American upbringing. She was a cheerleader, mispopularity at Passaic
Valley Regional High School, worked in Perkins, a pancake house
as a hostess, got so many of her friend's jobs there.

(09:51):
She was always the life of the party and as
so many of her former schoolmates said, she was a
bright light. Then unfortunately got dimmed like so many out there.
She went on to Montclair State College, which is right
there in Little Falls, got a job at Sharp Electric

(10:12):
and Malwa and then Mirk the pharmaceutical company, and from
time to time we go out with her girlfriends to
Vegas of the Caribbean and have a nice, nice holiday
like some of you are having now for Christmas and
New Years. And she meets a guy and you know

(10:33):
what happened. Something cracked. She began to fall into an
abyss last known to be working in Atlantic City. And then,
if you follow the timeline, getting arrested from time to
time all along the Jersey Shore for drunken and disorderly

(10:55):
conduct with no lifelines, she was falling into Dante's inferno.
And then she went back home. She was searching for
her mother. She pounded on that door. A woman answered

(11:15):
the door. She said, I want my mommy. I want
my mommy. I want my mommy. And the woman, who
had just recently bought the house from Dobrina's mother and father, said,
I don't know where they are. I have a realtor's card.
Maybe he can track them down. I want my mommy.
She's crying, she's disheveled. The woman goes and finds the card.

(11:38):
She returns to the door and the next thing she
knows to Brin and Kowama is running down the block screaming, mommy, mommy, crying.
She came home for Christmas, at least she thought. She
soon ended up over a Grand Central terminal. Almost outreach

(11:59):
unit brought her up to a woman's shelter in the
South Bronx. How crazy is that this woman was from
Little Fools, New Jersey. Soon they took everything from her.
She fled. Where to homeless people go when they flee
in the winter, they go into the subway, so that
becomes their home. And it was for many days until

(12:24):
this Monthster found her set her on fire. Was there
a commemoration, a memorialization yesterday at city Hall? No any
other fifty one city council members, No Jessica Tish the
police commissioner, no one police president, no MTA headquarters.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
No.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
They want that image white from our mindsets. It'll never
be white from my mindset. Imagine for so many of you,
how many of your grandchildren are coming home with your
parents or grandparents for Christmas and New Years, and they

(13:07):
want to see their mommy. Those are like her last
words that we know of mommy. Where's my mommy? And
yesterday Natalie brought this to your attention here wor the

(13:27):
New York Posts, Catherine don Leaving and the rest of
the world wanted to remain oblivious, not I in the
Guardian Angels. No, we want a memorial placed at that
very spot on the f train station to represent the
many thousands of homeless and emotionally disturbed some of them

(13:50):
buried in Pottersfield, you know where that is. A million
bodies are buried there, nameless, faceless individuals. They all had stories,
and at least I was able to tell Debbie Kwalms
say her name. No, they won't, but we will. We

(14:14):
will remember. We should always remember. Our number is eight
hundred three to two one zero seven ten. That's eight
hundred three to two one to zero seven ten. On
this your Place to be seven ten War.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Streets, Smart straight talk Curtis Leeward, guest host for Mark
Simone on sevent ten.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Woar back in the rain this morning on my way
here the studios my new favorite station, and it should
be yours wor seven ten gives you all you need.
I ran across those homeless and emotionally disturbed persons that

(15:03):
are everywhere, especially when it's in clement weather down in
the subways, and it sort of brought me to the
point of this problem wasn't dealt with with comrade Bill
de Blasio, the part time mayor, the dope from Park Slope,
smoking Mawi Wowie and Hindu Cush at night on the
back porch of Gracie Mansion with his grift of wife.
Charlane wasn't dealt with by this swaggerman with no plan,

(15:28):
Eric Adams, whose only contribution was tonight life in that
he would be at every club till the break of
dawn instead of being the mayor. And now at Fosters
are on Mandamie who gets sworn in on January first.
I don't think he'll have a grip on it, but
it's interesting. While I was thinking about that, I said

(15:51):
to myself, she whiz, Greg Kelly, former colleague over at WABC,
you talk about anger man manage many issues? Oh my god,
he he always has them, but we all carry some
baggage in our life. He went ballistic yesterday. He was
like Moe Green from the Godfather. Remember was the enforcer

(16:12):
for Buggsy Siegel of the Hymen Ross Syndicate Maya Lansky
and he's like going off and screaming about me and
just out of control, which half the time he is.
Look great. Guys served the United States submarine corps up

(16:34):
there and the fly zone in Iraq told so many
of our of the listeners that weapons of mass destruction
and all of that was a disaster. Okay, it got
like a lot of good attributes, great life, great family.
Had a problem a while back. We've all had problems.

(16:54):
I was lucky he had a His dad was the
police commissioner, Ray Kelly, best police commissioner we've ever had
in New York City, longest serving, and he was able
to extricate himself. Cleaned up, no more booze hound, no
more chasing skirts, you know, found God got back on track.
We've all had stories like that. But yesterday, Oh my god,

(17:21):
I think I've gotten under his skin. You know what
it was last week when I was being interviewed by
Mark Smohm preceding this substitution, I'll be here till January second,
I talked about how he was great for Greg Kelly
because Greg Kelly would actually sit in a side room
and listen to markimone from ten to twelve. That was

(17:42):
like his show prep. I said, it was the equivalent of,
oh remember, the greatest Italian comedian of all time grew
up in my household. Listening to those records, Pat Cooper, Pascual,
le Vito Caputo. Well, I met later on in life,
and he would tell me, yeah, watch, I'm gonna go
up there, I'm gonna do my routine and look at

(18:02):
all these other comedians. They're gonna be stealing my lines
and writing them on napkins. And it was true, some
of the best comedians. So I'm I'm I'm patting Mark
Simon on the bat. He's not the only person that
has had his materials utilized and recycled again by others.

(18:24):
He's that good. But apparently Greg Kelly took great umbrage
to that. It's like, well, it's a fact, so it
will help you do a better program. You listen to
Mark Simon and you go on your own program and
you basically repeat what he said like comedians often do.
Oh man, he just went eplectic. Hey, yesterday, he's saying police,

(18:49):
you know somebody I know, Well, I think he was
referring to his own dad. Ray Kelly, you know, never
thought highly of Curtis Lee and the Guardian Angels. No
police ever did. Hey, God, you know this is very
similar to Andrew evilized como. Remember in that debate. When
I turned to Andrew, evilized Como was Armandami on the
stage the first mayoral NBC debate, and I looked at

(19:12):
Andrew and I said, Andrew, I knew your father, Mario.
You know Mario Como. Hey, I know you're listening. Kelly,
you know you know Ray Kelly. Greg, I know your father,
Ray Kelly. Your father Ray Kelly. We've been at boxing

(19:32):
Mattress together because he was a Commissioner of boxing for
the State of New York. We've been to dinner together,
We've discussed public safety strategies on a wide level of things.
I've been at public events with him. He couldn't be
more of a fund well you, oh my god. And

(19:53):
what I what I couldn't quite understand is why at
the very end of his diatribe, which it's easy radio
to do if you're doing a full hour, Gotta understand,
Greg always had problems finishing his shifts. That's why they'd
asked me to stay in the bullpen warming up. They
jump in with him because he'd run out of gas

(20:15):
for whatever reason. I don't know, if his mind was wandering.
Whatever he said, tough time, you know, focusing, focusing, but
then he ends his diatribe and he says, Curtis, keep
your mouth shut, if you know what's good for you.

(20:37):
I said to myself the last time I was said
to me on air at that same WABC Angels in
the morning, when I was doing mom Talk, when John
Gotti's senior had been found guilty for the fourth time
while on trial because of Sammy the Bullgravano was underbores

(20:57):
riding him out the memory X tapes about his ordered executions.
Lewis Kasman, supposedly his adopted son from the garment industry
Jewish kid from Long Island, turned out to be a
rat himself eating the parmesan cheese. Later on he's on
that phone. I'll never forget his words, Curtis, keep your

(21:21):
mouth shut if you know what's good for you. Soon
after June nineteenth and nineteen ninety two, I got shot
five times with hollow point bullets in the back of
a yellow cab on my way to WABC to do
the morning show on the orders of John Gotti Senior
to John Gotti Junior and the Gambado crime family. Michael

(21:45):
Leonardi did twenty years for that, and I survived, and
I know look Greg Kelly. He's not the Gambino crime family.
But hey, don't be a forget tough guy. Real tough
guys don't have to act like they're tough. Trust me,

(22:08):
I'm a legitimate tough guy. We'll go to your calls
up next eight hundred three two one zero seven ten
at this your place to be from now on seven
ten War.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Talk Radio with Street Crab literally Curtis Lee wad joined
sevent ten WR to guess those from Mark Zamore.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yeah, as I continue on till January, tewod here for
Mark Zimone. I appreciate the time at my newfound radio station,
but I've listened to over the years from time to time,
and now I listen to it all the time. I
associated you at seven to ten WOR a lot of
alumni WABC here that dysfunctional family. Is he our board

(22:59):
operator here? He fled the dysfunction, as did Crash in
the mornings with Larry MENTI as a real savant from
Morris Park, the Bronx, and I know to some of
you it sounds like Niccho Corleone. I'm settling all scores.
I am little by little by little by little, But

(23:20):
you have a right to know, and you have a
right to be heard. So let's go first to Sean,
who's patiently on the line from Rockland County. Your turn
to be heard here at seven to ten w A
watch on Welcome.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
Home, Curtis.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
And those are the clowns of the other station.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
I don't listen to sit out anymore.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
They just fake guy. See you got in here thirty
five years. You can tell got fake fake voice. I
know who that is. Come on, it is Curtis Sleeve
pro style. Here. Let's go to Bob, who's calling from MONTFL.
Your turn to be heard here at W or seven ten.

Speaker 6 (24:04):
Bob, Thank you Curtis, and welcome back to what it's
no longer woman only radio.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Thank goodness.

Speaker 6 (24:12):
And I just want to say thank you to you
and your wife because those of us who know your
history and we lived it, we saw through the other
people at the other station. You know Greg Kelly, obviously
he's got like an anger problem, too much estrogen. And
there's another guy talk about Rockland County dominic.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Carter.

Speaker 6 (24:32):
I wish you would send the angels up to Rockland County. Curtis.
It is out of control. It is out of control,
and he lives with his head you know where. Wow, Well,
thank you, thank you, thank you. You know I live
in New Jersey. Thank you, Curtis.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, but all I need you to do is just
continue to listen to here seven ten W or Bob.
You don't need to get ODDJDA to all of them. Hey, look,
in talk radio, you have a lot of eccentric characters.
I've certainly worked with them. I've certainly been called eccentric myself.

(25:09):
I've had my ups, my downs, but I think almost
all of them are well known to people. But sometimes
when you have an anger management issue, there are substances
out there that can keep that in check. Hey, look,
it's healthy, it's healthy. Let's go if we can to John,

(25:34):
who's calling from Staten Island. Your turn to be heard
here at seven ten W. John.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
Hey, Curtis, I'm so happy to hear you back on
the radio. We've met a few times, so I'm so
happy to be talking here. WABC is definitely a dysfunctional
family dominic. Carter shows up to work grumpy every single day.
Lionel Square listen to the microphone. Sid Rosenberg only cares

(26:03):
about himself. Toys me, me, me, me, me, I am
Gray and Greg Kelly. He takes calls from the wack
o people who sent him books and they wrote down
a name to the wrong wrong people, Like, what kind
of operation do they got going on? Over?

Speaker 3 (26:20):
He look John John, that's their thing.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
If you're not happy with their broadcast, now you have
a place to come to. Maybe I was the sheepherder
and you were sheep for many years and that's all
you listen to. Well, now you have an opportunity to
come on over and graves on this talk radio field.
Maybe my substuti for Mark Simon will encourage more people

(26:47):
to do that. I would suggest now that we're in
the age of social networking, text it out, email it out,
phone it out, get the word out to listen to
that any longer and more choices, And this is my choice.
So I know for many of you who followed me
in talk radio for what it'll be thirty six years

(27:10):
in January, you're welcome on over, listen to seven to
ten wor as much as is humanly possible. And remember,
unlike years and years ago where it was live and local,
that's it. If you missed the broadcast, you couldn't recover it.
Remember the great Bob Grant, nobody better, King of Tark

(27:33):
Radio would do his opening monologue. You could never recapture that.
The whole Tri state area would stop to listen to
that opening monologue at three. Now, if you missed the program,
you can catch it on podcasts. See that's something that
never occurred before. Let's go if we can to uh Vic, Well,

(27:57):
I believe is calling from Pennsylvania. Your turn to be
heard here at seven to ten, w or Vic.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
Great to hear you. Curtis, Curtis, I want to tell
you a quick story. You know, I used to listen
to Sid and if it wasn't for Bernie, he would
be nothing. But what a phone is the biggest phone?

Speaker 3 (28:17):
He could be.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
Well, they're all phonies there, but he seems to be
the biggest one. Talk about ego, you know what I mean.
And at one point I called up when they were
taking calls, he stopped taking calls to let him know
he had bad now Trump and guess what he said,
Oh that's not true. I never bad. No Trump a
big liar. But man, could you imagine being in a

(28:40):
foxhole with any of these guys? I can't imagine it.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
No, no, no, I tell you, I tell you, I
tell you one thing straight up there. It was a
much better show when Bernard McGirk was with him because
it was king ying and the yang, because when it's
just said, it's I, I me me, it's all about said. Look.
I think he said this himself many times. He has
low self esteem. He's paranoid, neurotic. A lot of people

(29:06):
in talker adio that's the case. But Bernard was the
ying to his yang. Bernard was given an opportunity to
do a program at WABC what IMSS clearly was in
his latter years. Without Bernard McGirk, Imus could not function.
I was in the broadcast studio. I saw how Bernie

(29:30):
would feed him lines. Bernie read the books, wasn't Imus,
And towards the end of Imus's career it was so obvious,
But it was Bernard mcgirk's wish to have his own show.

Speaker 7 (29:41):
You know.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Imus didn't want that. Oh no, oh no, the show
following Imus in the morning. Bernard McGirk said it should
be my opportunity and he was right after all those years,
and he said, if you can only bring sid Rosenberg
up from Florida. He had just been fired I think
for like the third or fourth time, not they're wrong

(30:03):
with that. That's how you know how long you've been
in talk radio, how many times you've been fired. But
he was not on the radio. Bernie said, I want
Sid to be with me. And I remember going down Hollywood,
Florida at the hard Rock We had a Guardian Angel
conference of the Floridian Guardian Angels, and I told the

(30:27):
general manager there I would go down and just do
a little background check on city. Had had some problems.
And I talked to a lot of people down there
and said, oh, no, no, no. His days of gallimantin
cavorting getting into trouble, which he's admitted is over. He's
on the straight and arrow. I came back, I gave
the report. I remember walking into the office of Chad Lopez.

(30:48):
He had on his desk a contract to hire Mike Lupeka,
the great sports writer for the Daily News but horrible
on the radio ESPN. You know it's not his medium.
I said, you can't do that, you can't sign that.
That'll destroy WABC. I said, come on, do this for

(31:09):
Bernard McGirk. He's never asked for anything other than that,
And that's what happened. They got that opportunity mid morning
and then eventually the Morning Show. And it's unfortunate that
Bernard McGirk is no longer with us because that was
the ying to Sid Yang, that was his wingman. Sid

(31:33):
was Bernard's wingman, and Bernard was certainly sid Rosenberg's wingman.
In Godfather reference. When you talk about Sid Rosenberg, think
of Tessio. Oh yeah, though, Beret is back.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Curtis Sleeva guest hosts The Mark Simone Show on seven ten.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Wal is Erek Adams swagger man with no plan? Is
he back yet from vacationing at our tax bears expense?
Where is Eric Adams this morning? As he plays out
the clock? It's interesting the Anti Defamation League has issued

(32:20):
a report on some of the people affiliated, which are
I'm Mandami the incoming mayor as having had relationships with
schooly Louis Farakhan in the Nation of Islam. Question is
should that eliminate you from consideration of having any place
in government period? Well, it should have eliminated Eric Adams

(32:43):
from ever becoming mayor of the City of New York.
I wonder you when I ran against him in twenty
twenty one, remember in those two debates, I said he
is crooked and there will be chaos, and oh boy,
was I right. But he won't go away quietly. He
just vacations at taxpayers expense. And now all of a

(33:05):
sudden he's the first to question people's credentials when in fact,
you couldn't have been any more supportive of Schooy Louis
Fara Khan back in the nineties and the early two
thousand period. Yeah yeah, I know, I know. So is

(33:25):
a good litmus test relationship to fra Khan. I think
every rapper would have to be excluded because look at
their Instagram and who's their ninety two year old Schooy
Louis Farrakhah and the worst anti Semite in America. Now
the Red.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Beret has returned to radio. Curtis Leewall guest host the
Mark Simone Show on seven ten Woo.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
This is the place that you should be all the
time to get your talk radio information, news, and most importantly, entertainment,
because that's what talk radio should be. If it's good
talk radio, if it's not entertaining, hmm wow, see you later.

(34:15):
And that's those are your options. Nowadays you have so
many options to be able to listen, to look at
read many many more than when we were all growing up.
I remember in the wee hours of the morning, I
would be listening to a little Sony transistor radio underneath

(34:35):
the pillow in my room in Canarsi being raised by
my father, Chester merchant seaman close to fifty years my
mother Francesca, dental technician, and they would sort of patrol
the area. Wonder if I was listening, Remember the smell
from that Sony transistor radio. I'd be listening to long
John Nevilew and Candy Jones. Oh hey had me believing

(35:01):
that Candy Jones was a CIA agent. And you could
actually dig a hole all the way from Bayon, New Jersey,
the gateway to the world, down to Peeking Red China.
There Malchi tongue. They actually had your believe in that.
That's great. Theodore of the Mind. Now person I never
listened to, but was a fixture here wor for years.

(35:22):
Gene Shepherd. A lot of people said over the years, Wow,
you got a lot of Gene Shepherd in you. You
could take sort of a story and build a narrative
around it and sort of transition us almost in a
time machine to a date, place and time different than now.

(35:43):
And once I listened to a few of the old tapes. Boy,
that was a real great compliment, and that was overnight radio.
Good Overnight radio is theodre of the mind. Lousy overnight radio,
as if you try to do normal talk radio and
it colls flat. One of the things I remember talking
about when I did late night radio at the dysfunctional

(36:08):
station of WABC, which used to be always broadcasting Curtis.
Now it's always blaming and always batching Curtis. Well, I
remember when Scooey Louis Farrakhon came on with it couple
take a couple of nightline. I was talking about the
mothership connection that was circling the world and how many

(36:31):
little jet planes would be emerged and what we clearly understood,
and just listening to his diatribe. This guy, that's why
I call him Scooey Louis Furrikin. And yet he's had
his followers over the years, and now even though he

(36:51):
has somehow survived till ninety two. And you don't want
to miss it, I'm going to tell you a story
where the Grim Reaper could have took him away and
should have in a much earlier time, because, believe it
or not, even at the age of ninety two, the bile,
the anti Semitism continues to pour from his lips. You know,

(37:14):
he's the old school anti Semite. The new Jack, I
guess is Nazi boy. I think he fontes right, that's
the new Jack. But old school O G right, O
G fairy can. But it's now a litmus tests. And
I truly believe if you did a survey in the
African American community of the most respected black African American

(37:36):
figure in America today, first, without a doubt, at Barack
Obama talk about being a smooth operator, like the Shade
song smooth. In fact, if I think if he ran
against Donald Trump, he'd beat Donald Trump nationally, that's how
much love there is for Barack Obama. I mean he
was good. Uh, you know, would come out number two. No,

(37:58):
not not out slim, shady, sharping, No, it would be
Lewis Farakhun. Yes, the legacy of hate continues. It's almost
like a litmus test. I know for a lot of
you you don't follow the world of rap, but I

(38:21):
certainly have. And you look on the Instagram pages some
of the big time rappers, some of them have gone mainstream,
some of them who are doing cartoons, some of them
who are promoting Fortune five hundred products. Some of them
who have escaped going to jail themselves, like Snoop Doggie
Dog who did a drive by shooting in Los Angeles

(38:44):
and a jury all of a sudden said, seeming to
suffer a little dementia, little Alzheimer's. See, I can't quite
connect the dots. Well. He has gone on to become
a superstar in Hollywood, even though he does puff puff
pass all the time. I mean he's in a let's
face it a drug induce psychosis. This guy love Farra

(39:08):
Can still does right Instagram. There's Snoop Dogg with fire
Can Llo cool Jay right mainstream artist TV shows there
he is the Farra Khannas and she broke my heart
when I saw Chaka Khan Choka Choka Chokka Cohn performing
for Schooy Louis Farakhan. Oh, you go right on down

(39:29):
the line. Kendrick Lamar, was it ice q Iced t
Ice trave and l ice one of the Ice is there.
They're on Fat Joe. It's almost like an insistence. And
when you go to the Instagram site, you gotta be
a picture somewhere of the most virulent anti Semite that

(39:50):
is approaching one hundred years old. Soon they'll probably live
to them because of all the hate in the bile
that he has ninety two still kicking it. Oh you
know what I mean, the story of how the grim
Reaper could have taken him away, but unfortunately he survived
for another hateful day. Well, now the Anti Defamation League

(40:10):
they're vetting out people who have been appointed to incoming mayors.
Are on Mondami's transitional team. One of them is a
lawyer who has a history of praising and associating with
far Kain, and the question is should that exclude him
from consideration. I don't fault the ADL for vetting these appointees.

(40:36):
That's that's what transparency is. That's that's what should be
taking place, especially when we just went through the anniversary
of the Dreyfus affair. We're the French captain now for
Dreyfus is wrongfully convicted of passing military secrets to the Germans,

(40:57):
sentence to life imprisonment and Devil's Islands, and it turned
out it was the result of severe anti Semitism. Oh yeah,
oh yeah, and the term is Jacque's. In fact, I

(41:17):
think that pedophile on a pedestal. Roman Polanski did a
movie about this. I think so after he escaped to Paris.
In fact, little brief side the bar here, I was
named the Grand Marshall of the annual Pulaski Day parade
for Polish Americans. Up Fifth Avenue you go to the

(41:40):
mass verst at Tank Patrick's Cathedral. I'm coming out with
the tucks and tails and my red beret, and a
tourist bus pulls up from San Diego, where I've had
guardian angels down in Balboa Park gas light district over
in southeast San Diego, some relatively tough areas. People get
off to the bus. They're gonna go on to Saint

(42:00):
Patrick's Cathedral. They recognize me, they come running up, Curtis,
I didn't know that Polish Americans have a parade to
honor Roman Polanski. No, it's Pulaski. General Pulaski well not
only went into the Deep South and fought regular British
troops in the American Revolution, but they actually have this

(42:23):
huge tomb in statue to him in Savannah, Georgia. You
go throughout the South where I've been Arkansas, you go
to Georgia, you go to Tennessee. They have Pulaski County.
They don't even teach the kids in the schools why
the county was named after Pulaski. In fact, they unearthed
his tomb recently because they said he was a harmaphrodite.

(42:47):
You know what that is is he look it up?
Look it up, go google it. Why would you take
the guy's body out? He was one of the reasons
we won the American Revolution. As we approach our two
hundred and fifty, the anniversary this coming year, an onearthed
his body try to determine if he was a hamafrodite.

(43:10):
And then, of course it was Kaysjewsco, not Cassiasco, General
Kyjewsco who helped George Washington and convinced him that West
Point should become the college for not just the United
States military, but for engineering, against the will of Thomas Jefferson,
the fellow Virginian of George Washington, who wanted that to

(43:31):
be VMI. Yep, cause jewsto they don't teach you that
in school. But anyway, I mean there was people were
thinking getting off of that tour bus from San Diego
that that parade, the annual Pulaski Day parade, was not
an honor of General Pulaski, but in honor of Roman Polanski.

(43:51):
So the Dreyfish affair, which was based on the Protocols
of the Elders of Zion, which was merculated by the
Cizar of Russia and fed anti Semitism, which has been
a problem for so many decades and has re ad
it's ugly head up again as it always does. But

(44:13):
the one fixture of anti Semitism that has been around
forever and ever is Scooy Louis Farak. And so coming up,
gotta discuss a little bit about Eric Adams, swaggerman with
no plan, who's been traveling around the world at taxpayer's expense.
What was he in Israel? Uzbekistan? He probably can't even

(44:33):
find Whuzbeka stent on a map. Then recently in Mexico.
And we're paying for all this stuff, right, we're paying
for this. This guy was hopelessly corrupt, should have been
actually put in jail, put on trial for corruption. I
know all about it. And you remember, do you remember

(44:56):
is the piece in the monopoly game that we all
hope that we would get under the Christmas tree as
a president from santy Claus, remember missed the monopoly in
his tuxedo as he flies out of an open bird cage.
That was the corrupt Eric Adams at that annual Alsmith

(45:18):
didn't remember where. Trump suggested openly for the first time
that he was a victim of law fare, the over
extending reach of Joe Biden's Department of Justice, instead of
not realizing as anybody else would, that he got booted

(45:38):
out of a prison cell which he would have shared
with gold bars Bobby Menendez the center of New Jersey
in his striped convict uniform instead. And now he's acting
like he did nothing wrong. It's interesting. Three key figures
on the political scene. Eric with Discraciada never did anything wrong.

(46:04):
Andrew Evliskromo never did anything wrong. Donald Trump never did
anything well, they never did anything wrong. They're the perfect people.
Everything was perfect, perfect, except that's not the case. And
I was amazed that last week. I guess he took
a pit stop here, you know, and being mayor uh,
he decided to bury a time capsule to be dug

(46:27):
up in ten years, as if anything that went on
in his corrupt and chaotic administration which led to the
election of Zorhan Mandami should be put in a capsule
and buried and then brought up in ten years for
everybody to take a look at. And I would say

(46:47):
the first thing was probably a wad of cash in
a red envelope stuffed inside of an open bag of
hers sour cream and onion ripple potato chips. That his
very dear grifter and bag lady. Oh my god, Oh

(47:07):
she was so bad, this woman in attempting to bribe
Katie honan of the city. Oh man, it's like he's
trying to reinvent history. But his love affair with Fhara
Khan goes back quite a bit. In fact, in the

(47:28):
nineties he decided that he would run for Congress against
Major Owens because Major Owens, along with David Dinkins, the mayor,
said no, Fara Khan should not speak in New York
And at that time Eric Adams took money from the
Nation of Islam, had a Nation of Islam members collecting

(47:49):
signatures to qualify him to run, and was endorsed by
Schooie Louis fara Khan and used to hang out with
his very dear friend Conrad Muhammed at the Nation of
Islam Mosquin, Harlem. Now, people didn't want to talk about
that in the election of twenty twenty one. They basically
took the etcher sketch out And if you ever asked

(48:13):
Eric Adams about Scooy Louis Farakhan, he would sitestep that issue. Look,
he's not an anti Semite, Eric Adams, there's no doubt
about it. But he did have a major love affair
with Scooy Louis Farakhan. That's well noted. But people didn't
want to talk about it then. So the question is

(48:34):
any kind of relationship that you had or you have
with Skooy Louis Farakhana the Nation of Islam, should that
immediately disqualify you from having anything to do with the
government the boy A lot of people in government would
now have to recuse themselves and may have to look
for a different occupation. Our numbers one eight hundred and

(48:57):
three to two one zero seventy ten. That's one eight
hundred eighty three two one zero seven ten on this
your place to be from now on sevent ten WR.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
The Pulse of New York on the Voice of New York,
Curtis Sleewald Guess host marks them on on seven ten WR.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
I have a suggestion for the outgoing Eric Adams Swagerman
with no plan got wine dying the pocket line so
that Bob Barker remember the price is right. He got
his price and then he dropped out of the mayoral
race in September and he's been moaning and groaning ever
since and traveling around the world at taxpayer's expense. Apparently

(49:48):
he's meeting with Kathy Hockel today. Maybe Kathy Hochel can
do for him what was done for the one hundredth
Mayor of New York City a long time ago. I
think it was actually in nineteen fifty for William O'Dwyer.

(50:11):
He was the one hundredth Mayor of New York City
corrupt when he had been Brooklyn DA from nineteen forty
to nineteen forty five. He was in the back pocket
of murder incorporated the Jewish mob run by Lepke and
the Italian faction of Albert Anastasia and quick Kid Twist Drellers,

(50:34):
who was a hitman. If you looked at his LinkedIn
page at the time, let's there, what is your occupation?
Hitman for Murder Incorporated, which was out of Brownsville, and
he decided to be a rat eat the parmesan chief.
So they were housing him at the Half Moon Hotel
in Coney Island, sixth floor. Six detectives from William O'Dwyer's
DA's office in Brooklyn, and suddenly Albert Twistdrelers proved that

(51:00):
men could not fly because somehow he fell or was
pushed out of that sixth floor window. He had already
testified against six members of Murder Incorporated, all of whom
got the juice in the caboose in sing sing old
sparky Jews and Italians. And then the last one he

(51:20):
was going to testify against was Albert Anastasia. Well, he
never made it to the witness stand. And so this
all came back to haunt William O'Dwyer as mayor. They
were going to indict him, convict him, when all of
a sudden the phone rang from the White House. It
was President Truman at that time, said, you know, we're

(51:41):
desperately in need of a US ambassador to Mexico. Desperate
and I want you to leave being mayor. We're going
to give you a ticket tape parade to the Canyon
of Heroes. Yeah, ticker tape parade for this crook. And
he went on to become the ambassador to Mexico eventually
to come back and help put together the first Israel

(52:06):
Day Parade, which there's a question as to whether Zorahnmandami
will participate as mayor. We know that ain't happening, or
if he would cancel it. I don't think he'll do that,
but that's for another day. Maybe what should have been
done when Kathy Hokel had Eric Adams on the ropes,

(52:27):
Remember she could have fired him. A governor has the
right to fire a mayor. Now it's never been done
before close, but they didn't quite do it, and she
could have fired him, but he held on basically did
whatever she asked. Yes ma'am, Yes ma'am, Yes ma'am. Now
you remember Tom Homan when Eric Adams was singing sitting

(52:49):
on that sofa there Fox and Friends in the morning
and Tom Holman is talking to the crew there and
he says, Eric Adams on National TV, and if I
come back here, Eric and I find out the NYPD
is not working with ICE. I will put my boot
up your butt. And Eric Adams proud, righteous, your old

(53:13):
Asiatic black man, right, didn't even blink. I have seen
that video over and over every time I go into
an African American community, they said, could you believe what
the brother did here? He didn't even object to that.
He didn't even turn to Tom Holman and say, don't
use that language towards me, because he knew they had

(53:35):
him by the short hairs. That the only reason he
got that get out of jail pass was because he
promised to cooperate with ICE, even though the sanctuary city
laws here in New York City, which I oppose, say
that you cannot. But he was looking in there and

(54:02):
he will never ever overcome that in the African American
community because he had sold them wolf tickets. You know,
at some point I got to discuss Atlantic City. Now
that we have the three casinos, including the Resorts World

(54:22):
that got one of them, Cassino there, remember Yonkers at
the Track got it there. They decided they didn't want
to go for the full license. Three to in Queens,
one in the Bronx, and talk about how that may
be the last now in the coffin for Atlantic City,
which is a place that Eric Adams could have easily
been the mayor of since so many of them have

(54:43):
been indicted five since nineteen eighty one, including the most
recent one Marty Smalls Junior for voter fraud. Hoh shocking. Oh,
you don't want to go anywhere. Oh, by the way,
I did promise you we will go to the phone
so your voice could be you heard at your newfound
station for some your old friend seven ten wor are

(55:05):
numbers one eight hundred three two one zero seven ten
a's one eight hundred three two one zero seven ten
the voice that fights for New York.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Literally, Curtis leewa guest hose for Mark Simone on sevent
ten woor.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Has promised, it's your turn to be heard here and
when I'm hoping so many of you will turn to
seven to ten WOR for all your talk radio content
as I have. Let's go to UH if we can. Mike,
who's calling from Long Island? Your turn to be heard
here at seven ten wor Mikey.

Speaker 7 (55:47):
Hey, Curtis, are you don't It's great to hear you
back on the radio. I'm an old Kanassie boy at
a store on Avenue Well and Kanasi. I'm pretty sure
you used to shop there many years ago. My wife
and I saw it. It's about fifty years ago we
started it. And I remember how you used to help
that community when mister Shopton had his march down Avenue

(56:09):
Well and Press Realty was doing all of his things.
And listen, I just want to tell you, I thank
you for everything you've done in the past and how
certain people were promoting Cuolo to be a mayor with
his background. He's a criminal. Politics is a dirty business. Unfortunately,
you were trying to do the right thing. And even

(56:31):
though my vote wouldn't count, I did contribute to your
running for election. And you're a brooklynman and everything you've
done be proud of. And I'm proud to know that
you're from a neighborhood I grew up in. I just
wanted to thank you.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Let me tell you, Kanashi, all road lead to Kanarshi
the good and I might add the bad. Give me
an idea. Avenue L Best Peach of Paula, the original
pizza of Avenue L still there street is Channel twelve,
the news outlet used to be like a bull hack,
a war bomb supermarket no more. And got to tell

(57:07):
you they were the little Casey's on one side of
Avenue L, the Gambinos on the other side. They used
to have to run the gauntlet and the Avenue L
boys who were total degenerates. But I survived that. It
was like running through an Apache line from time to
time because I would not avoid going down Avenue L. Oh, yeah,

(57:30):
Andrew evilized Cromo. How many of them are out there
and they keep You know these bots, they're like they're
like the wave of drones. They get used in the
war between Russia and the Ukraine. Right, they come in bots, spots, spots,
and so you split the vote in the New York

(57:50):
mayor's race to guarantee that more crime could happen, right, Curtis, Right,
you took money from Zorhan. You know these and you
could tell where they being generated from countries all over
the world, and they come in and waves waves, And
it all started with Cuomo and their supporters of Cuomo.
By the way, where is he? Oh yeah, he probably
slid it under his rock in the Hampton's hanging out

(58:13):
with all of his billionaire friends. The influencers, the insiders.
They got him nowhere. Maybe he should run for mayor
of Southampton, since he spent all of his time in Southampton.
Let's go if we can. To Ann, who's calling from
Staten Island. Your turn to be heard here on seven
to ten, wor Ann, Well, let's see.

Speaker 8 (58:38):
I'm my sister, and Merry Christmas to you and your
sweet wife who we met. Well, they met at a
fundraiser at the Belvidere with the field and we gave
to your campaign. We miss you. Greg Kelly's Onhinge. You
should see the station for Slander because you're excellent and
you should be the mayor. And we're heartbroken for you,

(59:00):
but you know what you do so much good. I
wish your good health and happiness and financy. I missed
the Animal show. ABC should go down the tubes, and
I have been listening now a few months to OH.
I used to listen to Handity too, and I'm back
with them. I enjoyed them. And Greg Kelly's a total disgrace.

(59:20):
I think he's nuts.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Well, he is a little bots, a little titched, but
you know he is doing what free speech allows you
to do in America. He has a right to do that.
Men have died in battle for us to have free
speech and also to be able to vote, which two million,

(59:42):
one hundred thousand people did in this last mayoral campaign,
a record that hadn't been seen since nineteen sixty five,
since I was all of eleven years old. And so
unfortunately John Lindsay get elected mayor of the City of
New York. By the way, I'm pretty sure, don't we
have here Wor the Dog Smart radio show? Don't we

(01:00:05):
have that? I think a w OR? I mean it
used to be on the weekends here Wor you would
have all the shows that would talk about gardening, talking
about finance, investments, retirement, animals. I mean that was a
fixture that I would listen to. Bernie Meltzer, Oh yeah,

(01:00:27):
oh wow, what a following he had, Old Bernie, But no,
Ann is right. Best thing they ever happened in my
life was when I met Nancy. We got married, and boy,
she is a animal rescuer, like so many of the
listeners here, a wr RN throughout the Tri state area

(01:00:49):
and throughout the country, and without her I could not
have survived many many ordeals. I owe everything that I
am or I have at this point in my life
to my beautiful wife Nancy, and they don't get any
better than that. You know, as Mahatma Gandhi said, is
society that takes care of its animals will take care

(01:01:12):
of its people. But a society that does not take
care of its animals will not take care of its people.
And that's exactly what we have in New York City.
As I began the show telling you about the year
anniversary of the horrible, horrific death of Debrina Kwam at
the subway station in Coney Island on the F train
when she was set up into a human torch, and

(01:01:36):
how a year later they won't even say her name
because they don't even remember her name. Well, we did
that yesterday and I want to aploy w or Natalie
in the morning for introducing that in the news the
New York Posts for covering it. But many people out
there just have no idea what happened. Let's go to Sergio,

(01:01:59):
who's calling from New Jersey. Your turn to be heard
here at seven to ten, wa.

Speaker 9 (01:02:04):
Sergil Hi Curtis, I was wondering if you can elaborate
on Bob Grant one time. Apparently he took some tile
expensive towels on the studio and you had to go
and mediate for him to bring him back.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Let me correct you. The king of talk radio, Bob Grant,
who is my mentor, was the reason that I'm in
talk radio because when I was first on the air
at the old WABC, they didn't want to have me
on the air, and he said, you gotta have Curtis
on the air because he knows where all the bones
buried and who buried them. And he had the force

(01:02:40):
in the talk radio world at that time that his
wish basically became the command of the suits, the big markers.
But he was a kleptomaniac in many many ways, no
doubt about it. I think you're conflating two separate stories.
But let me tell you the best one that I
was personally involved in. He was given a loaner Cadillac

(01:03:01):
back then in order to promote somebody purchasing a new
car used car. They have a new fangled expression now
pre owned car. You know, for used cars, they would
give you a loaner car. And Bob Grant, I think
it was in Englewood, was promoting Cadillacs from Englewood everybody
back then. They wanted to the El Dorado, they wanted

(01:03:23):
the Fleetwood, the Seville. He had a car and his
driver would take him back and forth to Manalapan on
the Jersey Shore where he was living, and you have
to give it back after a certain point of time.
And the program director there, John Manelli, was intimidated by Bob,
as he could intimidate many, and Bob wouldn't give the

(01:03:44):
Cadillac back. So John Manelli said, he's your friend. Go
in there and tell them there are new rules in
the business. You can't schnore like a lot of radio
people did, both AM and FM four years schnore free stuff.
It's called pay for play, and we could get in trouble.

(01:04:04):
So I said, I got it, John. I went in there.
It took me maybe an hour and a half to
convince the King of talk radio, Bob Grant, responsible for
my career, to give me the keys and that we
would get it back to the Cadillac dealership before they
would report that to the FCC to be in violation
of pay for play. But man, it was not easy.

(01:04:27):
It's Bob Grant. Back then, the king of talk radio
thought I'm entitled to the treasures like so many others.
And if you listen to me up until January second,
as I substitute for Mark Simone, you're gonna hear a
lot of other stories you had no idea about that
I want to share with you about this thing of ours,

(01:04:47):
talk radio, because this is the business that we have chosen.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Now more with New York's iconic straight shooter Curtis Leewa
toasting from Mark Timone on seven ten.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Woo you know, yes it is. I was leaving the
studios here day number one of my substitution for Mark
Simone until January second. And oh I got a lot
of other great stories to share with all of you.
And that's why you got to listen every day or
get it on the podcast. But I heard the voice

(01:05:24):
of Brett Winterble, who's substituting up next for the boys.
I said, that's bretton Winterble, that's boy Limbaugh. He used
to be the phone screener for the Great Rush Limbaugh.
We used to share facilities at the old WABC seventeen
four high above Madison Square Garden and Brett was great,

(01:05:46):
always wanted to be in talk radio. And he used
to live in Morris Park in the Bronx. Take the
two of the five chain up there, say really Bretton,
Yeah yeah, live up here, family, updates family. And he's
gone on to become a great talk show host in Charlotte,
where they had like two attacks on their light rail system.

(01:06:08):
Two not one, the one you knew about the Ukrainian
immigrant woman, no no, no, no two another recent one.
I think it was an illegal alien. And he's urged
me to bring the Guardian Angels down to Charlotte, which
I think I'm gonna have to do it. All the
Yankees who were fleeing down there, everybody from up north
in our area was moving down to that area. Unfortunately,
the crime is skyrocketing. But he's a great talent, and

(01:06:32):
there's been a lot of young upcoming talk radio show
hosts and hostesses who've unfortunately not had that opportunity. But
I think you're gonna enjoy bread. And that's another guy
out there, the liberty loving Latino Rich Valdez, who actually
was the only one to listen to me for four

(01:06:53):
years that I wasted in my life over at AM
ninety seventy. The answer when I think Rich Valdez was
the only one who listened to me. I did morning
drive and afternoon drive and now substituting at Woor where
my radio life began back when Arlene Francis, the midday hostess,

(01:07:13):
interviewed me as the newspaper Boy of the Year in
nineteen seventy one. I've had the bug ever since. And boy,
I hope you'll be listening tomorrow our Christmas Eve extravaganza
coming up, and stay with me until January second, because
I got a lot of radio talk radio gifts to

(01:07:33):
leave for all of you under the Christmas tree.
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