November 24, 2025 • 32 mins
President Trump has made major White House renovations that are drawing widespread attention. Mark provides an update on the ongoing and complicated efforts toward a possible Russia-Ukraine peace deal. Mark takes your calls! Mark interviews Life Coach Dr. Keith Ablow. Dr. Ablow explains the psychological roots of Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) and offers advice on navigating tricky Thanksgiving conversations with friends or relatives who may display symptoms of TDS.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's more of Mark Mark Simon on seven to tenor.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Well, it's Monday, Thanksgiving week, it's Thursday's Thanksgiving and it
looks like a windy day. It may affect the parade.
They may have to lower the balloons. But we'll see
a little rain tomorrow maybe Wednesday morning, but Thursday, no rain.
It just could be very, very windy. So if you're
going to a big Thanksgiving dinner and you don't want
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to get a fight about Trump and all that, we're
going to have some expert advice for you a little
later this hour. A great psychologist that doctor Keith Ablow,
has done a lot of work on Trump derangement syndrome.
He's sort of getting to the bottom of it psychologically.
How bad is it? What do you do with it?
Who gets that? Coming up? It's going to be a
fascinating later this hour. I notice President Trump did not
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go to marrow Lago this past weekend, even though it
was a cold, windy weekend in Washington, d C. Normally
you think he'd want to get down to Florida, but
he just didn't want to go to mar Alago this weekend.
There was nothing major on the schedule, nothing that would
keep him in Washington. I think maybe he's just a
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little sick of those old ladies at mar Alago that
just chase him around the dining room. You know, if
he goes anywhere in mar A Lago, the million old
ladies you see in the pictures chase him around. Now,
Wi you I wan youw. I just think he couldn't
take it for the weekend. One thing he did on Saturday,
he went to Andrews Air Force Base or whatever they
call it now, Joint Base Andrews, which clumsy name, but
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Andrews Air Force Base for years had the best golf
courses in the whole federal government system, believe it or not.
Andrew's Air Force Base, it's twenty miles from the White House.
It's in Maryland. Has always had this nickname the President's
Golf Course, because this facility has two eighteen hole championship
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golf courses, the East and the South courses, each designed
as a par seventy two layout. And apparently it's gotten
run down. Like everything in the federal government, it hasn't
been kept up to speed. So the president is going
to have Jack Nicholas, the great golfer, the legend, but
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Jack Nicholas runs a company that builds absolute, incredible, state
of the art golf courses. Is going to have Nicholas
and his company redo these golf courses so they'll be
as fine as any golf courses in America. Saturday, during
the day, he went out to Andrews, had Jack Nicholson
meet him there and they walked the course and figured
it out what they're going to do. Remember, Trump has
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also built dozens and dozens and dozens of world championship
golf courses all over the world. Knows exactly what he's doing.
So these two experts, you know, you're really lucky to
have this guy in the White House. You imagine Obama
trying to rebuild a golf course. Can you imagine Joe
Biden trying to build anything. So you got these two
experts at building golf courses looking this thing over. Trump's
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an absolute expert at building ballrooms construction. He's been redoing
bit by bit by bit parts of the White House.
Oh not just the ballroom, but there's a thing called
the Palm Court. When you come in to see the
President foreign leaders and you go through that door. The
first area you're in, it's a big lobby area it's
called the Palm Court, was just so old and decrepit.
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President has rebuilt that completely. It had like a linoleum floor.
He put in the finest marble and he fixed the
whole thing up, paying for most of it himself or
with private donations. He's redone the residence, he's redone the
Oval Office. Obviously, some say overdone the Oval Office. But
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and you know, when you're in the Oval Office, that
big Oval Office, there's a doorway on the side. If
you go through that door, there's a hallway that goes
to the real office, what's something called the real President's office.
That little hallway goes down to a few rooms. One's
a private bathroom, one's a little den, one's a little
dining room, one's a little office. And that's where many
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presidents would really work. Nixon didn't like the big Oval office,
so he'd go to a little office work out of there.
President turned it into kind of a TV room, and
he turned one room. He gets a lot of flak
for this. You'll see a lot of articles in the
left wing fake news, all the left wing sites. He
turned it into a gift shop. Why it's so tacky
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it's a gift shop. And if you look at the pictures,
it's got shelves of gifts, Trump hats of all kinds,
Trump matchbooks, Trump cufflinks, trump watches, Trump pens, And they
make it sound like this is the cheesiest thing any
president has ever done. What is he thinking? A gift shop?
What an ego? A None of these articles point out
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that every president did exactly the same thing, but not
on such a good scale. You went to see President Bush,
if you went to see President Clinton, if you went
to visit any president, they would always at the end
walk you over to that thing where they would give
you gifts. There was always presidential cuff links, presidential pen, oval,
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office match books. I mean, I got a big collection
of this stuff. They'd give you this. It was mostly
the cufflinks. That was the big thing. That the cuff
links at the presidential seal. For a million years, that
was the main gift. But it's now twenty twenty five
and nobody wears cuff links anymore. You never see French
cuffs anywhere anymore, so why would you give cuflinks? Nobody
can use them anymore. So that's why Trump has switched
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to hats and all that stuff. You know, they still
have the presidential cuplings, although I've never seen him give anybody,
and so pens are good, even a pen. It's kind
of that most people don't use pens that much anymore.
So he didn't go to Marlago this week and stayed
in Washington. They were working on the Ukraine deal throughout
the weekend. Now, the problem with this Ukraine twenty eight
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point piece plan, whatever it is, it favors Russia completely.
It's very bad for Ukraine. But this is round one.
This is how Trump does if you put out a
plan that's way too far in this direction, and then
you make the other side negotiate back, so he knows
what he's doing. There's a deadline Thanksgiving Day. Marco Rubio
was asked about that.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
The deadline is, we want to get this done as
soon as possible. Obviously, you know, we'd love it to
be Thursday. We'd love to be Ultimately. The important point
today is that we have made substantial progress. We've really
moved forward. So I feel very optimistic that we're going
to get there in a very reasonable period of time,
very soon.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Okay, but the deal is so pro Russian they think
Russia wrote it.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
No matter what we came up with today. Obviously we
now have to take what we come up with. If
we can reach that agreement with the Ukrainian side to
the Russian side, that's another part of this equation. They
have to agree to it.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, so whatever you see in the agreement, it's not
going to be the agreement. This is just round one.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I think this is a very very meaningful I would say,
probably best meeting and we've had so far in this
entire process, going back to when we first came into
office in January.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, so apparently they're talking, they're making progress, they're getting
there in this deal. And again it's round what like
the greatest movie you've ever seen that you love, what
a brilliant script. If you went and looked at the
first draft of the first round of the script, it
looked terrible. So it gets rewritten and rewritten and rewritten.
That'll total happen until they get approval.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
It's ultimately have to be signed off of by our presidents.
Although I feel very comfortable about that happening given the
progress we've made. And then obviously there's the Russian side
of the equation. But again, we think we have some
pretty substantial insights over the last nine months into some
of the things that are really important to them.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah. Now, remember they did the Gaza peace deal. That
took a lot of rounds, but they learned a lot
from that that they've applied here to this. Speaking of Gaza,
the president has had all the hostages he can visit
the White House and no number of these hostages telling
horror stories about torture. You know, well, the crazy left
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out there protesting Israel, the absolute horrible villains in this
where the Hamas idiots with it wasn't just torture, many
of them telling stories of sexual abuse, men being abused
by men sexually. It's just the most ugly stuff imaginable.
Now you're probably saying, yeah, I didn't know that. Well,
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it's because obviously the media looks the other way on it.
They make it look like Israel's the bad guy here
when Hamas has been the most awful thing on earth.
That everything they've done talking about war crimes, the worst
stuff in the world, and of course the media totally
ignoring it. This story about the sexual abuse of these prisoners.
Go back look at all the Sunday shows see if
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you see a word about this there the hostage is
telling these stories. Not a word on these Sunday shows,
but they'll do a half hour on Marjorie Taylor Green.
So I don't know why I still I don't know
why I still watch these Sunday shows. They are so
corrupt and so fake and so awful. Hey, here in
New York, you got the governor's race coming up next year.
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You got Elis Stephonic who looked like a shoe in
for the nomination the candidate, but then Bruce Blakeman jumps in.
Now Blakeman is the finest county executive in America. And
what is a county executive? Well, it's like a governor.
He's the governor of Nassau County and he's done a
brilliant job. Elise Stephonic, lover, she's brilliant, she's great, But
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she's a legislator. Does she have any management experience? Because
you're a great legislator, does that necessarily mean you'd be
a great governor?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Kathy Hochel came out of the legislator legislator les later
who it was Couoma that picked her as a legislator
picked her to be the lieutenant governor. Now, what you
usually do if you're a governor, you picked somebody who's
not so great so you don't get shown up. And
then he picked her, and of course she was just awful,
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and we got stuck with her as governor. You can
blame Cuomo for picking her, but if you say that
to him, he'll say, yeah, but you guys re elected her. Well,
he's got a point there, so you'll have a legislator
versus a former legislator. Now, if Blakeman jumps in, he's
the only guy with any management experience, a great governor himself.
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And you know, Stephanic is very smart, number one in
her class at Harvard and all that. But let's be honest,
Blakeman is as smart as anybody. So he's gonna be
her equal, if not better, on that score. Now, Stephanic
is stronger upstate. She's from upstate. She's an upstate type.
Blakeman is a more sophisticated, downstate New York City sort
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of a guy. And half the votes for governor are
here in New York City. But can Blakeman play upstate?
I don't know. But he's a very smart guy. And
he went up there and did a two were of
Binghamton and all these different areas, meeting with people, you know,
going to the diner, talking to people like a Bill
Clinton kind of a tour, and that's what you got
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to do. So he's weighing it very carefully. He's a
very smart guy, so he'll check it out real carefully.
He's got to make a decision in the next couple
of weeks on whether to run. He was at the
Binghamton diner last week. Now, this could mean a primary,
and a lot of people said, well, this is not good.
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We don't want to have a fight. Why should we
have a prime? Well, you want a primary. Even President
Trump said, you know, you're better off having a primary.
You don't want to have a coronation of a candidate
that never works. That's not a good idea. You don't
want to Kamala Harris sort of a coronation. You want
a primary. Somebody wins and earns the nomination. That's the
best way to do it. So we'll see what happens.
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We'll take some calls in a minute. Eight hundred three
to two one zero seven ten is the number. So
I've had two, three, four Thanksgiving dinners already? Is it five?
I think we even got one down the hall here today.
You know, we have these buffets all over the place
down the hall that way Power one oh five front
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of Charlemagne Studio is it's Golden Corral, very good caterer,
and they do these beautiful Thanksgiving dinners and turkey and
ham and stuffing and sweet potatoes in every kind of
pumpkin pie pee can I mean, the longest most elaborate
Thanksgiving buffet. This is the fourth time they've been here
in the last ten days, so I've had for these
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Thanksgiving dinners. I got to be honest. Thursday, I don't
think I can eat any more turkey. I don't want
to see anymore cranver. I've had enough. Hey, by the way,
there's a buffet down the other end of the hall
with it's delicious and what the food these scones. Well,
it's delicious. But I didn't Normally the restaurant has a
big sign or something, but I didn't see. I mean,
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I said, it's right in front of light f M.
I said, who did the buffet? It's phenomenon? He said, oh,
Luftanza Airlines meeting airline food here, but it was great.
So I guess it's just American airlines US airlines that
have bad food. This Leftan's a pretty good food there. Anyway,
we'll take some calls. We'll get to Trump arrangement syndrome.
We've got an expert to explain it to us, but
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we'll take some calls. Next. Eight hundred three to two
one zero seven ten is the number. Eight hundred three
to two one zero seven ten.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
It's the Mark Simone show on sevent tenor.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Well, let's take some calls. Eight hundred three two one
zero seven ten is the number, and let's go to Stuart,
South Carolina. Stuart, how you doing?
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Mark?
Speaker 5 (13:47):
How you do?
Speaker 6 (13:48):
I just heard the Melia masker mentioned a couple times
by Vincent on Friday. I just want to set the
record straight. It happened in nineteen sixty eight, Lieutenant CALLI yeah, yeah,
massacre in Meli. Later on he was exonerated for that,
and nobody mentions that. And I just want to add
that in. I remember when it happened, Verbert ohay.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
But I said it was illegal, but it is illegal.
I'm massacre civilians, isn't it?
Speaker 7 (14:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Yeah, you have to go through the case and everything else.
But like I said, he was eventually exonerated. And the
fact that these Democrats are telling the military men and
women they have no dog in this fight. If soldiers
end up saying I'm not going to obey this law,
you know, or this order because I think that it's illegal,
they're going to get tried under the US UCMJ and
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probably put in prison in Leavenworth. I mean, what they're
telling these people is unconscionable.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Well, but it was pretty smart of them. It was
you know, this is a world of trolling people. Now
they were trolling Trump. He overreacted a little. I mean,
he's still right. He's absolutely right. I mean they're talking
about sedition.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
But and that's absolutely right. Sedition right near Fort Gordon
in Augusta. And there are a lot of military people
here on Vice President of Vietnam Veterans of America North Augusta.
Speaker 8 (15:07):
And people are outraged.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
Yeah, absolutely outraged.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
All right, good call, Stuart, thanks for calling. Let's go
to Steve in Manhattan. Steve, how you doing.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Don't blame me. I voted for Pap Buchanan.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Now there's nobody under ninety who knows who you're talking about.
But okay, he was a great guy, Pat Buchanan, he
was a regular guest on the show. I love the guy,
but I think he's been dead twenty years and he
ran for president like thirty forty years ago or something.
Those of you that don't know who that is. Let's
go to Mike and Florida.
Speaker 8 (15:38):
Mike, how you doing, good morning, Mark, Yes, Mike, I
have a quick story that kind of illustrates how the
president is in person. I a number of years ago
worked on an infomercial and he was the guest, and
I had met him previously a couple of times, but
on another show. And so the producer comes down in
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just the usual skiel that dude, don't look at him,
don't talk to him.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (16:02):
So of course I'm the stage manager. So I go
to the back of the dressing room and in the
outer room there's a big burly security guard and he
stops me. And the President Trump is in the other
room tying his tie. So the god goes what he needs.
I go on the stage, my Mike on the stage manager,
I just wanted to show mister Trump his walkout, and
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Trump stops what he's doing looks and he goes. He
walks out and he goes to the security guard. You
listen to this guy pointing to me. He knows what
he's talking about. I said, Hi, Hi, miss, nice to
meet you again.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
I just want to show you.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (16:37):
He put his yes, Mike puts his arm on my shoulder.
I walk him down the hallway. He loves me, and
this illustrates who he is. He wasn't insincere, he wasn't
blowing smoke. He's genuinely like that.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Oh yeah, no, no, he's When he goes into a
building or anywhere, he always like to say hello to
the doorman first. If he comes into a radius. He's
the only guest I've ever since go into the control
room say hello to everybody in there.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
That's the way.
Speaker 8 (17:05):
He is, the very very gregarious guy. And he has
love in his heart and he's not you know, if
he has to fight, he will. You look, he's fought
the toughest guys in New York, you know, lobsters and
bad landlords and unions and politicians. So you know, sometimes
you have to you know, sometimes you get more, you know,
flies for money, but sometimes you kick him in the butt. Good.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
We can do both.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, good call Mike, thanks for calling you. You know,
if you talk. There's people that work in the White
House for like thirty years, forty years. They're just staffed.
They're there through every president.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
And a bunch of them have told me the only
president who ever comes into the kitchen to talk to them,
you know, the people who work in the kitchen, it's Trump.
He'll walk in every you know, every few days, says,
how you doing, what's going on? And here you guys
need anything. He'll walk around the grounds, talk to the
gardeners every how you're doing, you need anything? Got everything?
You need everything? Good?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
And they've been there for decades. I've never seen another
president do that, does that all, you know. I always
noticed when he comes to the big donors thrown a
big fundraiser in the apartment on Park Avenue or Fifth Avenue.
Whenever the candidate walks in, the big big candidate, I
don't want to measure. Your name's Mitt Romney. But whenever
the big candidate walks in, it's always the same thing.
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The wife will come over first, and he'll like swap
the wife out of the way, get out of the way,
where's the husband? Where's the guy right in the check?
I want to talk to him? And all he wants
to do is talk to the big donor. But I
always watch when Trump walks in. He always ignores these people.
He always wants to talk to the waiters first, the
bartender first, the woman checking the coach. He'll always talk
to her first. He'll make the donor's weight. He's always
been that way. Let's go to David in Brooklyn. David,
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how you doing? Yep, we lost him. Let's go to
Ray and oh the story, Ray, how you.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
Doing all right? Mark's mom?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Let me check, yes it is.
Speaker 9 (18:58):
I worked on me precinct in the on seventy sixty
seventh Street there.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
You alt. I rebuilt that whole precinct.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Way you were.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
No, I did construction there.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Oh okay, because with your voice, it wouldn't work if
you went stop police. It doesn't sound right.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
I know, I got it. I got a crazy voice.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
No, you got a nice voice. Good voice, very peppy,
very lively sound.
Speaker 9 (19:27):
I'm eighty, I'm eighty six years old.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Perfect right now, target demo.
Speaker 9 (19:33):
I worked on the precinct there and we rebuilt it
and that whole area across the street was the Russian
what do you call residency, and they got cameras all
over that precinct, all over that area.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
All right, I don't know what the hell you're talking about,
but you sound happy about it. What do you mean
you built a.
Speaker 9 (20:00):
We did the the precinct there, the old precinct. We
rebuilt it where eighty or sixty sixty seventh Street. Oh,
the nineteenth priescingc Yeah, the nineteenth, the firehouse.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I got to be honest, that did in that nineteenth
precinct kind of run down. Yeah, you built that. It's
not exactly an architectural digest that place.
Speaker 7 (20:24):
I know.
Speaker 9 (20:25):
It's an eighteen eighty sixth facade.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I know what you're talking like. It's the taiz Ma Hall.
It's not the best look.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
In the it was.
Speaker 9 (20:32):
The inside of it is good.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I've seen the inside. It's okay.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
I mean it's functional that Oh yeah, yeah, I just
want to let you know about the.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Decorator. I wouldn't go around showing that to anybody.
Speaker 9 (20:49):
There's also a spy room in that precinct which they
have cameras looking at the Russian consulate right across the street.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, I'll assume they do. Yeah, all right, Ray, good call.
You sound like a great guy. Thanks for calling. Hey
when we come back. One of the great psychiatrists and
he's actually a great life coach. Now, but doctor Keith Ablow,
best selling author. You've seen him all over television. He
has some real insight into Trump derangement syndrome. What is
it really all about? Well, this is fascinating. We'll get
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to this next on seven to ten. WR get hiss.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
And access to Mark by setting a fre set in
the iHeartRadio app for his live show and his podcast.
Now back to the Mark Simone Show ONR.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Well, you know this Trump derangement syndrome, it's a very
serious thing. And there was a psychiatrist wrote an op
ed piece of Wall Street Journal saying it's a serious disease.
It's so. Miranda Devine had doctor Keith Ablow on her
big Great podcast and he really had some insight into
Trump derangement syndrome. Doctor Keith Ablow, who's also a great
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life coach, best selling author. Follow him on Twitter to
get his all of his books, and of course you
see him all over television. Doctor Keith Ablow. How you
doing I'm doing well.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Mark, how are you.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
So.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah. Miranda Devine was on the show. She was telling
us about I mean, you experts, you know, we think
Trump Arrangement Center. It's kind of a funny name, but
you found it. It's a real mental disorder, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Well, listen, you know this is a common, common thing
that's afflicting people. We're not going to find it in
a diagnostic manual, but I'll tell you people who object
to autonomy and are not grounded in the self. You know,
the self's a miracle, it's connected to God, It's where
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we operate most powerfully from. It's the center of human beings.
If that is, for whatever reason, really frightening to you,
then Donald Trump's going to be real frightening to you,
and you're subject to trumped arrangement syndrome.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah. Now, the politics, you know, they hated Bush, they
hated Cheney, they hated Nixon. But with Trump it sets
them off. He sets them off in a way I've
never seen anybody. What is it in his personality that
makes them crazy?
Speaker 5 (23:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (23:20):
I think you're absolutely right. He is number one. There's
no confusion whatsoever about his gender. He's hyper male, he's
hypt and this offends some people.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
They don't even know that offense them.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Necessarily, but they're unconsciously deeply offended that he has masculinity
in every mannerism, right, So that's one one aspect of it,
for sure.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Another is, I'm sorry, you're.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Right, it's like nineteen fifties, really tough masculinity. We haven't
seen that in a president in years. So that's a
good point. What's the other one.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
It's like John Wayne is holding you know, office, and
people don't know what to do about it. The other
thing is that he is not in any way ambivalent
about things. He expresses things very definitively. If you waffle,
if you want to play both sides in the middle,
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then this is going to make you very nervous, and
you're going to take it out on Donald Trump because
he adds up the numbers and then in a very
direct way, he'll say, look, here's how it looks arithmetically.
You don't have the leverage you think you do. I
just did all of the variable analysis. Here's your choices.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
Now. That would appeal to people who love.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Logic and who really like honesty, but it doesn't appeal
to people who want nothing to have reality, and right
now Donald Trump is on the side of reality, truth, honesty,
and people who would like to be an avatar of themselves,
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to be anything to anyone, and to assert that countries
don't need borders. I mean, listen, almost half the electric
or whatever thinks maybe countries don't have to have borders.
That's like delusional, and Donald Trump in that way will
tell you, well, that's craziness. They will therefore hate him,
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fear him, and be subject to Trump derangement syndrome.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
So if Donald Trump came to you and said, show
me what to do to be more likable, would you
show them or would you say, hey, just be yourself.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
I would say, You've got to be yourself. In a
lot of ways, the antidote to Trump derangement syndrome is
more exposure to truth and to trumpisms. However, I would say, listen,
you might throw in even additional humor to tell people
it's okay, as he's done recently. He said listen, you
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can you can call me a fascist if you and
I've been called worse. So if he's able to tell people, listen,
here's what's happening, I know. I know that, the fact
that I'm quite definitive, the fact that you know, people
call me, you know, hyper meal. I know this offense
some people. It's okay, we're going to get there together.
(26:26):
I suppose you could do that in Olive Branch. But
really I wouldn't change Donald Trump, and I would advise
him keep going, man, this is what we need.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yeah, all right now, doctor Keith Abler. People are going
to Thanksgiving dinner. They're going to probably get in a
fight with relatives that have Trump to arrangement syndrome. What
can they do to deal with it? Or should they
just humor them? What should they do?
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Just humor them?
Speaker 4 (26:51):
One of one of the things about trump de rangement
syndrome is it's very rigid. You know, if people don't
come to my office, they may not get over it.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Right.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
So I would say, you sidestep it, you smile, you
ask them more questions, let them talk, and don't interact.
Don't insert your own opinions, because you know what, you're
not going to convert anybody at Thanksgiving and what you
want is peace. And so you can't in some ways
you just can't engage. So you dodge, you weave you
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talk about other subjects. If people insist on talking about that,
ask them more questions about what they think, rather than,
you know, boldly saying you're so completely up face, you're delusional.
That's not going to work with the stuffing.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, did you see the psychiatrist wrote the op ed
for the Wall Street Journal last week about Trump derangement syndrome.
It's an actual mental disorder, and he seemed to take
it very very seriously on the chart of mental disorders.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Yeah, I saw that, and listen.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
I think what it is is, it's a subset. It's
basically that, you know, those who want to be cared
for as though they have a parent in the state,
those who don't really want to assert their individual and
individuality and autonomy, and who would like there to be
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no reality about the world.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
They are that group that.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Are subject to Trump derangement syndrome and right, and so
the bottom line is is it a clinical condition.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
We wouldn't medicate it.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
We wouldn't you know, and I wouldn't coach anyone out
of it without a lot of time in my office.
But the bottom line is that people should reflect who
are subject to that. Is it possible? But because I'm
not feeling empowered myself. That looking at someone that powerful
and certain is deeply offensive to me.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Huh. Now, what else Miranda said has to do with
daddy issues? Is that? Is that true?
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Well? That masculinity quotient is so high in Trump that
if you have ambivalence about that role and your family
the you know, if if you have deep questions about
who your father was or what you thought of it,
or or or your own masculinity, you may well be
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more vulnerable Trump arrangement syndrome. Because here's a big mac
eating guy who is nonetheless a healthy man, a strapping fellow,
even even you know, past his sixties. And that too
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causes people consternation. They're like, how can he not be
eating carrots and other vegetables to show us how healthy
that is? And it will be pulling, you know, near
all nighters. So it deeply, deeply concerns people who want
to feel somewhat vulnerable and therefore as though the state should.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Take care of them, and who might vote.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
For you know, government officials who say, don't worry, we'll
control everything. You don't need to have any power. Donald
Trump says, no, no, you should have autonomy. Start being yourself,
be grounded as an individual, make your own choices. These
things cause people a lot of anxiety. It's also the
key to a good life. Well, hey, great stuff. We're
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out of time. Hey, next time I gotta ask you.
You treated Hunter Biden for a while.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I think you might be true.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
That was reported in the news.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yes, I think he might need some more sessions.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Yeah, the same address.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Well, great stuff, doctor Keith Ablow. You can get his
books on Amazon. And if people want to contact you,
what's the best way.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Best way is info at Keithablow dot com or just
visit Keithablow dot com and there's a link.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
You can get right to me.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Check out his website Keithablow dot com. Doctor Keithablow, great stuff,
Thanks for being with us.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Thanks Mark, all.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Right, take care. Interesting stuff. So now remember Thanksgiving dinner.
Don't get into a big fight with everybody. Just nod
and yes them to death and change the subject. Hey,
don't forget Buck and Clay at noon today with an
excellent show. And then you got the most listened to
radio show in America. Sean Hannity at three, Jesse Kelly
at six, and Jimmy Fayala what a great show every
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night at nine Here on seven ten wor our.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Mark Simon Show, delivering the news before it is on
seven ten Woray.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
So we're just about out of time. Well, we are
happy to clear up things for you. Marthorie Taylor Green
is not. They had nothing to do with Donald Trump.
They keep a rift, a terrible breakup of no relationship
at all. The other headlining split in the mag of
Marjorie Taylor Green with some fringe character who the only
(32:14):
people have paid any attention to her, with a fake
news always covering her because she'd say something silly. So
she's left politics. She says she's gonna run in twenty
twenty eight thinking it over. Ah, you just say that
makes you look important that way. Everybody still talks to
you because they think you might be running anyway. We're
out of time. Don't go away. Buck and Clay are next.
I'll be back tomorrow ten to noon, and I hope
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you can join me. Then I'll talk to you then
tomorrow on seven ten w
It's more of Mark Mark Simon on seven to tenor.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Well, it's Monday, Thanksgiving week, it's Thursday's Thanksgiving and it
looks like a windy day. It may affect the parade.
They may have to lower the balloons. But we'll see
a little rain tomorrow maybe Wednesday morning, but Thursday, no rain.
It just could be very, very windy. So if you're
going to a big Thanksgiving dinner and you don't want
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to get a fight about Trump and all that, we're
going to have some expert advice for you a little
later this hour. A great psychologist that doctor Keith Ablow,
has done a lot of work on Trump derangement syndrome.
He's sort of getting to the bottom of it psychologically.
How bad is it? What do you do with it?
Who gets that? Coming up? It's going to be a
fascinating later this hour. I notice President Trump did not
(00:54):
go to marrow Lago this past weekend, even though it
was a cold, windy weekend in Washington, d C. Normally
you think he'd want to get down to Florida, but
he just didn't want to go to mar Alago this weekend.
There was nothing major on the schedule, nothing that would
keep him in Washington. I think maybe he's just a
(01:15):
little sick of those old ladies at mar Alago that
just chase him around the dining room. You know, if
he goes anywhere in mar A Lago, the million old
ladies you see in the pictures chase him around. Now,
Wi you I wan youw. I just think he couldn't
take it for the weekend. One thing he did on Saturday,
he went to Andrews Air Force Base or whatever they
call it now, Joint Base Andrews, which clumsy name, but
(01:39):
Andrews Air Force Base for years had the best golf
courses in the whole federal government system, believe it or not.
Andrew's Air Force Base, it's twenty miles from the White House.
It's in Maryland. Has always had this nickname the President's
Golf Course, because this facility has two eighteen hole championship
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golf courses, the East and the South courses, each designed
as a par seventy two layout. And apparently it's gotten
run down. Like everything in the federal government, it hasn't
been kept up to speed. So the president is going
to have Jack Nicholas, the great golfer, the legend, but
(02:21):
Jack Nicholas runs a company that builds absolute, incredible, state
of the art golf courses. Is going to have Nicholas
and his company redo these golf courses so they'll be
as fine as any golf courses in America. Saturday, during
the day, he went out to Andrews, had Jack Nicholson
meet him there and they walked the course and figured
it out what they're going to do. Remember, Trump has
(02:43):
also built dozens and dozens and dozens of world championship
golf courses all over the world. Knows exactly what he's doing.
So these two experts, you know, you're really lucky to
have this guy in the White House. You imagine Obama
trying to rebuild a golf course. Can you imagine Joe
Biden trying to build anything. So you got these two
experts at building golf courses looking this thing over. Trump's
(03:03):
an absolute expert at building ballrooms construction. He's been redoing
bit by bit by bit parts of the White House.
Oh not just the ballroom, but there's a thing called
the Palm Court. When you come in to see the
President foreign leaders and you go through that door. The
first area you're in, it's a big lobby area it's
called the Palm Court, was just so old and decrepit.
(03:27):
President has rebuilt that completely. It had like a linoleum floor.
He put in the finest marble and he fixed the
whole thing up, paying for most of it himself or
with private donations. He's redone the residence, he's redone the
Oval Office. Obviously, some say overdone the Oval Office. But
(03:48):
and you know, when you're in the Oval Office, that
big Oval Office, there's a doorway on the side. If
you go through that door, there's a hallway that goes
to the real office, what's something called the real President's office.
That little hallway goes down to a few rooms. One's
a private bathroom, one's a little den, one's a little
dining room, one's a little office. And that's where many
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presidents would really work. Nixon didn't like the big Oval office,
so he'd go to a little office work out of there.
President turned it into kind of a TV room, and
he turned one room. He gets a lot of flak
for this. You'll see a lot of articles in the
left wing fake news, all the left wing sites. He
turned it into a gift shop. Why it's so tacky
(04:30):
it's a gift shop. And if you look at the pictures,
it's got shelves of gifts, Trump hats of all kinds,
Trump matchbooks, Trump cufflinks, trump watches, Trump pens, And they
make it sound like this is the cheesiest thing any
president has ever done. What is he thinking? A gift shop?
What an ego? A None of these articles point out
(04:53):
that every president did exactly the same thing, but not
on such a good scale. You went to see President Bush,
if you went to see President Clinton, if you went
to visit any president, they would always at the end
walk you over to that thing where they would give
you gifts. There was always presidential cuff links, presidential pen, oval,
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office match books. I mean, I got a big collection
of this stuff. They'd give you this. It was mostly
the cufflinks. That was the big thing. That the cuff
links at the presidential seal. For a million years, that
was the main gift. But it's now twenty twenty five
and nobody wears cuff links anymore. You never see French
cuffs anywhere anymore, so why would you give cuflinks? Nobody
can use them anymore. So that's why Trump has switched
(05:39):
to hats and all that stuff. You know, they still
have the presidential cuplings, although I've never seen him give anybody,
and so pens are good, even a pen. It's kind
of that most people don't use pens that much anymore.
So he didn't go to Marlago this week and stayed
in Washington. They were working on the Ukraine deal throughout
the weekend. Now, the problem with this Ukraine twenty eight
(06:01):
point piece plan, whatever it is, it favors Russia completely.
It's very bad for Ukraine. But this is round one.
This is how Trump does if you put out a
plan that's way too far in this direction, and then
you make the other side negotiate back, so he knows
what he's doing. There's a deadline Thanksgiving Day. Marco Rubio
was asked about that.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
The deadline is, we want to get this done as
soon as possible. Obviously, you know, we'd love it to
be Thursday. We'd love to be Ultimately. The important point
today is that we have made substantial progress. We've really
moved forward. So I feel very optimistic that we're going
to get there in a very reasonable period of time,
very soon.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Okay, but the deal is so pro Russian they think
Russia wrote it.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
No matter what we came up with today. Obviously we
now have to take what we come up with. If
we can reach that agreement with the Ukrainian side to
the Russian side, that's another part of this equation. They
have to agree to it.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, so whatever you see in the agreement, it's not
going to be the agreement. This is just round one.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I think this is a very very meaningful I would say,
probably best meeting and we've had so far in this
entire process, going back to when we first came into
office in January.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, so apparently they're talking, they're making progress, they're getting
there in this deal. And again it's round what like
the greatest movie you've ever seen that you love, what
a brilliant script. If you went and looked at the
first draft of the first round of the script, it
looked terrible. So it gets rewritten and rewritten and rewritten.
That'll total happen until they get approval.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
It's ultimately have to be signed off of by our presidents.
Although I feel very comfortable about that happening given the
progress we've made. And then obviously there's the Russian side
of the equation. But again, we think we have some
pretty substantial insights over the last nine months into some
of the things that are really important to them.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah. Now, remember they did the Gaza peace deal. That
took a lot of rounds, but they learned a lot
from that that they've applied here to this. Speaking of Gaza,
the president has had all the hostages he can visit
the White House and no number of these hostages telling
horror stories about torture. You know, well, the crazy left
(08:03):
out there protesting Israel, the absolute horrible villains in this
where the Hamas idiots with it wasn't just torture, many
of them telling stories of sexual abuse, men being abused
by men sexually. It's just the most ugly stuff imaginable.
Now you're probably saying, yeah, I didn't know that. Well,
(08:26):
it's because obviously the media looks the other way on it.
They make it look like Israel's the bad guy here
when Hamas has been the most awful thing on earth.
That everything they've done talking about war crimes, the worst
stuff in the world, and of course the media totally
ignoring it. This story about the sexual abuse of these prisoners.
Go back look at all the Sunday shows see if
(08:47):
you see a word about this there the hostage is
telling these stories. Not a word on these Sunday shows,
but they'll do a half hour on Marjorie Taylor Green.
So I don't know why I still I don't know
why I still watch these Sunday shows. They are so
corrupt and so fake and so awful. Hey, here in
New York, you got the governor's race coming up next year.
(09:09):
You got Elis Stephonic who looked like a shoe in
for the nomination the candidate, but then Bruce Blakeman jumps in.
Now Blakeman is the finest county executive in America. And
what is a county executive? Well, it's like a governor.
He's the governor of Nassau County and he's done a
brilliant job. Elise Stephonic, lover, she's brilliant, she's great, But
(09:31):
she's a legislator. Does she have any management experience? Because
you're a great legislator, does that necessarily mean you'd be
a great governor?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Kathy Hochel came out of the legislator legislator les later
who it was Couoma that picked her as a legislator
picked her to be the lieutenant governor. Now, what you
usually do if you're a governor, you picked somebody who's
not so great so you don't get shown up. And
then he picked her, and of course she was just awful,
(10:03):
and we got stuck with her as governor. You can
blame Cuomo for picking her, but if you say that
to him, he'll say, yeah, but you guys re elected her. Well,
he's got a point there, so you'll have a legislator
versus a former legislator. Now, if Blakeman jumps in, he's
the only guy with any management experience, a great governor himself.
(10:25):
And you know, Stephanic is very smart, number one in
her class at Harvard and all that. But let's be honest,
Blakeman is as smart as anybody. So he's gonna be
her equal, if not better, on that score. Now, Stephanic
is stronger upstate. She's from upstate. She's an upstate type.
Blakeman is a more sophisticated, downstate New York City sort
(10:48):
of a guy. And half the votes for governor are
here in New York City. But can Blakeman play upstate?
I don't know. But he's a very smart guy. And
he went up there and did a two were of
Binghamton and all these different areas, meeting with people, you know,
going to the diner, talking to people like a Bill
Clinton kind of a tour, and that's what you got
(11:10):
to do. So he's weighing it very carefully. He's a
very smart guy, so he'll check it out real carefully.
He's got to make a decision in the next couple
of weeks on whether to run. He was at the
Binghamton diner last week. Now, this could mean a primary,
and a lot of people said, well, this is not good.
(11:30):
We don't want to have a fight. Why should we
have a prime? Well, you want a primary. Even President
Trump said, you know, you're better off having a primary.
You don't want to have a coronation of a candidate
that never works. That's not a good idea. You don't
want to Kamala Harris sort of a coronation. You want
a primary. Somebody wins and earns the nomination. That's the
best way to do it. So we'll see what happens.
(11:54):
We'll take some calls in a minute. Eight hundred three
to two one zero seven ten is the number. So
I've had two, three, four Thanksgiving dinners already? Is it five?
I think we even got one down the hall here today.
You know, we have these buffets all over the place
down the hall that way Power one oh five front
(12:16):
of Charlemagne Studio is it's Golden Corral, very good caterer,
and they do these beautiful Thanksgiving dinners and turkey and
ham and stuffing and sweet potatoes in every kind of
pumpkin pie pee can I mean, the longest most elaborate
Thanksgiving buffet. This is the fourth time they've been here
in the last ten days, so I've had for these
(12:40):
Thanksgiving dinners. I got to be honest. Thursday, I don't
think I can eat any more turkey. I don't want
to see anymore cranver. I've had enough. Hey, by the way,
there's a buffet down the other end of the hall
with it's delicious and what the food these scones. Well,
it's delicious. But I didn't Normally the restaurant has a
big sign or something, but I didn't see. I mean,
(13:00):
I said, it's right in front of light f M.
I said, who did the buffet? It's phenomenon? He said, oh,
Luftanza Airlines meeting airline food here, but it was great.
So I guess it's just American airlines US airlines that
have bad food. This Leftan's a pretty good food there. Anyway,
we'll take some calls. We'll get to Trump arrangement syndrome.
We've got an expert to explain it to us, but
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we'll take some calls. Next. Eight hundred three to two
one zero seven ten is the number. Eight hundred three
to two one zero seven ten.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
It's the Mark Simone show on sevent tenor.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Well, let's take some calls. Eight hundred three two one
zero seven ten is the number, and let's go to Stuart,
South Carolina. Stuart, how you doing?
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Mark?
Speaker 5 (13:47):
How you do?
Speaker 6 (13:48):
I just heard the Melia masker mentioned a couple times
by Vincent on Friday. I just want to set the
record straight. It happened in nineteen sixty eight, Lieutenant CALLI yeah, yeah,
massacre in Meli. Later on he was exonerated for that,
and nobody mentions that. And I just want to add
that in. I remember when it happened, Verbert ohay.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
But I said it was illegal, but it is illegal.
I'm massacre civilians, isn't it?
Speaker 7 (14:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Yeah, you have to go through the case and everything else.
But like I said, he was eventually exonerated. And the
fact that these Democrats are telling the military men and
women they have no dog in this fight. If soldiers
end up saying I'm not going to obey this law,
you know, or this order because I think that it's illegal,
they're going to get tried under the US UCMJ and
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probably put in prison in Leavenworth. I mean, what they're
telling these people is unconscionable.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Well, but it was pretty smart of them. It was
you know, this is a world of trolling people. Now
they were trolling Trump. He overreacted a little. I mean,
he's still right. He's absolutely right. I mean they're talking
about sedition.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
But and that's absolutely right. Sedition right near Fort Gordon
in Augusta. And there are a lot of military people
here on Vice President of Vietnam Veterans of America North Augusta.
Speaker 8 (15:07):
And people are outraged.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
Yeah, absolutely outraged.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
All right, good call, Stuart, thanks for calling. Let's go
to Steve in Manhattan. Steve, how you doing.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Don't blame me. I voted for Pap Buchanan.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Now there's nobody under ninety who knows who you're talking about.
But okay, he was a great guy, Pat Buchanan, he
was a regular guest on the show. I love the guy,
but I think he's been dead twenty years and he
ran for president like thirty forty years ago or something.
Those of you that don't know who that is. Let's
go to Mike and Florida.
Speaker 8 (15:38):
Mike, how you doing, good morning, Mark, Yes, Mike, I
have a quick story that kind of illustrates how the
president is in person. I a number of years ago
worked on an infomercial and he was the guest, and
I had met him previously a couple of times, but
on another show. And so the producer comes down in
(15:58):
just the usual skiel that dude, don't look at him,
don't talk to him.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (16:02):
So of course I'm the stage manager. So I go
to the back of the dressing room and in the
outer room there's a big burly security guard and he
stops me. And the President Trump is in the other
room tying his tie. So the god goes what he needs.
I go on the stage, my Mike on the stage manager,
I just wanted to show mister Trump his walkout, and
(16:23):
Trump stops what he's doing looks and he goes. He
walks out and he goes to the security guard. You
listen to this guy pointing to me. He knows what
he's talking about. I said, Hi, Hi, miss, nice to
meet you again.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
I just want to show you.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (16:37):
He put his yes, Mike puts his arm on my shoulder.
I walk him down the hallway. He loves me, and
this illustrates who he is. He wasn't insincere, he wasn't
blowing smoke. He's genuinely like that.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Oh yeah, no, no, he's When he goes into a
building or anywhere, he always like to say hello to
the doorman first. If he comes into a radius. He's
the only guest I've ever since go into the control
room say hello to everybody in there.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
That's the way.
Speaker 8 (17:05):
He is, the very very gregarious guy. And he has
love in his heart and he's not you know, if
he has to fight, he will. You look, he's fought
the toughest guys in New York, you know, lobsters and
bad landlords and unions and politicians. So you know, sometimes
you have to you know, sometimes you get more, you know,
flies for money, but sometimes you kick him in the butt. Good.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
We can do both.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, good call Mike, thanks for calling you. You know,
if you talk. There's people that work in the White
House for like thirty years, forty years. They're just staffed.
They're there through every president.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
And a bunch of them have told me the only
president who ever comes into the kitchen to talk to them,
you know, the people who work in the kitchen, it's Trump.
He'll walk in every you know, every few days, says,
how you doing, what's going on? And here you guys
need anything. He'll walk around the grounds, talk to the
gardeners every how you're doing, you need anything? Got everything?
You need everything? Good?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
And they've been there for decades. I've never seen another
president do that, does that all, you know. I always
noticed when he comes to the big donors thrown a
big fundraiser in the apartment on Park Avenue or Fifth Avenue.
Whenever the candidate walks in, the big big candidate, I
don't want to measure. Your name's Mitt Romney. But whenever
the big candidate walks in, it's always the same thing.
(18:22):
The wife will come over first, and he'll like swap
the wife out of the way, get out of the way,
where's the husband? Where's the guy right in the check?
I want to talk to him? And all he wants
to do is talk to the big donor. But I
always watch when Trump walks in. He always ignores these people.
He always wants to talk to the waiters first, the
bartender first, the woman checking the coach. He'll always talk
to her first. He'll make the donor's weight. He's always
been that way. Let's go to David in Brooklyn. David,
(18:44):
how you doing? Yep, we lost him. Let's go to
Ray and oh the story, Ray, how you.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
Doing all right? Mark's mom?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Let me check, yes it is.
Speaker 9 (18:58):
I worked on me precinct in the on seventy sixty
seventh Street there.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
You alt. I rebuilt that whole precinct.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Way you were.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
No, I did construction there.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Oh okay, because with your voice, it wouldn't work if
you went stop police. It doesn't sound right.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
I know, I got it. I got a crazy voice.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
No, you got a nice voice. Good voice, very peppy,
very lively sound.
Speaker 9 (19:27):
I'm eighty, I'm eighty six years old.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Perfect right now, target demo.
Speaker 9 (19:33):
I worked on the precinct there and we rebuilt it
and that whole area across the street was the Russian
what do you call residency, and they got cameras all
over that precinct, all over that area.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
All right, I don't know what the hell you're talking about,
but you sound happy about it. What do you mean
you built a.
Speaker 9 (20:00):
We did the the precinct there, the old precinct. We
rebuilt it where eighty or sixty sixty seventh Street. Oh,
the nineteenth priescingc Yeah, the nineteenth, the firehouse.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I got to be honest, that did in that nineteenth
precinct kind of run down. Yeah, you built that. It's
not exactly an architectural digest that place.
Speaker 7 (20:24):
I know.
Speaker 9 (20:25):
It's an eighteen eighty sixth facade.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I know what you're talking like. It's the taiz Ma Hall.
It's not the best look.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
In the it was.
Speaker 9 (20:32):
The inside of it is good.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I've seen the inside. It's okay.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
I mean it's functional that Oh yeah, yeah, I just
want to let you know about the.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Decorator. I wouldn't go around showing that to anybody.
Speaker 9 (20:49):
There's also a spy room in that precinct which they
have cameras looking at the Russian consulate right across the street.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, I'll assume they do. Yeah, all right, Ray, good call.
You sound like a great guy. Thanks for calling. Hey
when we come back. One of the great psychiatrists and
he's actually a great life coach. Now, but doctor Keith Ablow,
best selling author. You've seen him all over television. He
has some real insight into Trump derangement syndrome. What is
it really all about? Well, this is fascinating. We'll get
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to this next on seven to ten. WR get hiss.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
And access to Mark by setting a fre set in
the iHeartRadio app for his live show and his podcast.
Now back to the Mark Simone Show ONR.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Well, you know this Trump derangement syndrome, it's a very
serious thing. And there was a psychiatrist wrote an op
ed piece of Wall Street Journal saying it's a serious disease.
It's so. Miranda Devine had doctor Keith Ablow on her
big Great podcast and he really had some insight into
Trump derangement syndrome. Doctor Keith Ablow, who's also a great
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life coach, best selling author. Follow him on Twitter to
get his all of his books, and of course you
see him all over television. Doctor Keith Ablow. How you
doing I'm doing well.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Mark, how are you.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
So.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah. Miranda Devine was on the show. She was telling
us about I mean, you experts, you know, we think
Trump Arrangement Center. It's kind of a funny name, but
you found it. It's a real mental disorder, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Well, listen, you know this is a common, common thing
that's afflicting people. We're not going to find it in
a diagnostic manual, but I'll tell you people who object
to autonomy and are not grounded in the self. You know,
the self's a miracle, it's connected to God, It's where
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we operate most powerfully from. It's the center of human beings.
If that is, for whatever reason, really frightening to you,
then Donald Trump's going to be real frightening to you,
and you're subject to trumped arrangement syndrome.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah. Now, the politics, you know, they hated Bush, they
hated Cheney, they hated Nixon. But with Trump it sets
them off. He sets them off in a way I've
never seen anybody. What is it in his personality that
makes them crazy?
Speaker 5 (23:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (23:20):
I think you're absolutely right. He is number one. There's
no confusion whatsoever about his gender. He's hyper male, he's
hypt and this offends some people.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
They don't even know that offense them.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Necessarily, but they're unconsciously deeply offended that he has masculinity
in every mannerism, right, So that's one one aspect of it,
for sure.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Another is, I'm sorry, you're.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Right, it's like nineteen fifties, really tough masculinity. We haven't
seen that in a president in years. So that's a
good point. What's the other one.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
It's like John Wayne is holding you know, office, and
people don't know what to do about it. The other
thing is that he is not in any way ambivalent
about things. He expresses things very definitively. If you waffle,
if you want to play both sides in the middle,
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then this is going to make you very nervous, and
you're going to take it out on Donald Trump because
he adds up the numbers and then in a very
direct way, he'll say, look, here's how it looks arithmetically.
You don't have the leverage you think you do. I
just did all of the variable analysis. Here's your choices.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
Now. That would appeal to people who love.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Logic and who really like honesty, but it doesn't appeal
to people who want nothing to have reality, and right
now Donald Trump is on the side of reality, truth, honesty,
and people who would like to be an avatar of themselves,
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to be anything to anyone, and to assert that countries
don't need borders. I mean, listen, almost half the electric
or whatever thinks maybe countries don't have to have borders.
That's like delusional, and Donald Trump in that way will
tell you, well, that's craziness. They will therefore hate him,
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fear him, and be subject to Trump derangement syndrome.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
So if Donald Trump came to you and said, show
me what to do to be more likable, would you
show them or would you say, hey, just be yourself.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
I would say, You've got to be yourself. In a
lot of ways, the antidote to Trump derangement syndrome is
more exposure to truth and to trumpisms. However, I would say, listen,
you might throw in even additional humor to tell people
it's okay, as he's done recently. He said listen, you
(26:05):
can you can call me a fascist if you and
I've been called worse. So if he's able to tell people, listen,
here's what's happening, I know. I know that, the fact
that I'm quite definitive, the fact that you know, people
call me, you know, hyper meal. I know this offense
some people. It's okay, we're going to get there together.
(26:26):
I suppose you could do that in Olive Branch. But
really I wouldn't change Donald Trump, and I would advise
him keep going, man, this is what we need.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yeah, all right now, doctor Keith Abler. People are going
to Thanksgiving dinner. They're going to probably get in a
fight with relatives that have Trump to arrangement syndrome. What
can they do to deal with it? Or should they
just humor them? What should they do?
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Just humor them?
Speaker 4 (26:51):
One of one of the things about trump de rangement
syndrome is it's very rigid. You know, if people don't
come to my office, they may not get over it.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Right.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
So I would say, you sidestep it, you smile, you
ask them more questions, let them talk, and don't interact.
Don't insert your own opinions, because you know what, you're
not going to convert anybody at Thanksgiving and what you
want is peace. And so you can't in some ways
you just can't engage. So you dodge, you weave you
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talk about other subjects. If people insist on talking about that,
ask them more questions about what they think, rather than,
you know, boldly saying you're so completely up face, you're delusional.
That's not going to work with the stuffing.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, did you see the psychiatrist wrote the op ed
for the Wall Street Journal last week about Trump derangement syndrome.
It's an actual mental disorder, and he seemed to take
it very very seriously on the chart of mental disorders.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Yeah, I saw that, and listen.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
I think what it is is, it's a subset. It's
basically that, you know, those who want to be cared
for as though they have a parent in the state,
those who don't really want to assert their individual and
individuality and autonomy, and who would like there to be
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no reality about the world.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
They are that group that.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Are subject to Trump derangement syndrome and right, and so
the bottom line is is it a clinical condition.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
We wouldn't medicate it.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
We wouldn't you know, and I wouldn't coach anyone out
of it without a lot of time in my office.
But the bottom line is that people should reflect who
are subject to that. Is it possible? But because I'm
not feeling empowered myself. That looking at someone that powerful
and certain is deeply offensive to me.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Huh. Now, what else Miranda said has to do with
daddy issues? Is that? Is that true?
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Well? That masculinity quotient is so high in Trump that
if you have ambivalence about that role and your family
the you know, if if you have deep questions about
who your father was or what you thought of it,
or or or your own masculinity, you may well be
(29:30):
more vulnerable Trump arrangement syndrome. Because here's a big mac
eating guy who is nonetheless a healthy man, a strapping fellow,
even even you know, past his sixties. And that too
(29:50):
causes people consternation. They're like, how can he not be
eating carrots and other vegetables to show us how healthy
that is? And it will be pulling, you know, near
all nighters. So it deeply, deeply concerns people who want
to feel somewhat vulnerable and therefore as though the state should.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Take care of them, and who might vote.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
For you know, government officials who say, don't worry, we'll
control everything. You don't need to have any power. Donald
Trump says, no, no, you should have autonomy. Start being yourself,
be grounded as an individual, make your own choices. These
things cause people a lot of anxiety. It's also the
key to a good life. Well, hey, great stuff. We're
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out of time. Hey, next time I gotta ask you.
You treated Hunter Biden for a while.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I think you might be true.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
That was reported in the news.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yes, I think he might need some more sessions.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Yeah, the same address.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Well, great stuff, doctor Keith Ablow. You can get his
books on Amazon. And if people want to contact you,
what's the best way.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Best way is info at Keithablow dot com or just
visit Keithablow dot com and there's a link.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
You can get right to me.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Check out his website Keithablow dot com. Doctor Keithablow, great stuff,
Thanks for being with us.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Thanks Mark, all.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Right, take care. Interesting stuff. So now remember Thanksgiving dinner.
Don't get into a big fight with everybody. Just nod
and yes them to death and change the subject. Hey,
don't forget Buck and Clay at noon today with an
excellent show. And then you got the most listened to
radio show in America. Sean Hannity at three, Jesse Kelly
at six, and Jimmy Fayala what a great show every
(31:39):
night at nine Here on seven ten wor our.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Mark Simon Show, delivering the news before it is on
seven ten Woray.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
So we're just about out of time. Well, we are
happy to clear up things for you. Marthorie Taylor Green
is not. They had nothing to do with Donald Trump.
They keep a rift, a terrible breakup of no relationship
at all. The other headlining split in the mag of
Marjorie Taylor Green with some fringe character who the only
(32:14):
people have paid any attention to her, with a fake
news always covering her because she'd say something silly. So
she's left politics. She says she's gonna run in twenty
twenty eight thinking it over. Ah, you just say that
makes you look important that way. Everybody still talks to
you because they think you might be running anyway. We're
out of time. Don't go away. Buck and Clay are next.
I'll be back tomorrow ten to noon, and I hope
(32:37):
you can join me. Then I'll talk to you then
tomorrow on seven ten w
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