December 5, 2025 • 10 mins
Paul explains the pros and cons of weight loss drugs, cautioning that while they can be effective, they may also undermine long-term health goals if not used properly. The conversation covers strategies for preserving muscle, burning fat during weight loss, and the importance of nutrition, highlighting the types of foods that support a healthy lifestyle.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Mark Simone Show on seven ten.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Wi Ben from Mark Today, Here's Ken Rosatto and very
good to be here on your Friday morning.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Well.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
He is a healthy living expert who has worked with
leaders in medical aesthetics, and he hosts the Optimized Outcomes
with Paul Fulford podcast, which talks about health and longevity.
We say good morning to you, Paul Fulford.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Good morning, how you doing good?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Good to be good to have you on. I should say,
I just want to clarify you sound like you're in
studio because we have you on zoom, so it sounds
like you're literally sitting next to me.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
So clear.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
For years, Paul, so many people have suffered with obesity
and all the physical breakdown that comes with it. I
used to weigh nearly four hundred pounds years ago, and
I had gastric bypass. I did fenn Fenn got down
each time I got down a certain amount, but never
got all the way until the weight loss drugs right
and for the last thirty pounds because I needed to
(00:55):
stabilize blood sugar, I was put on ozepik. But talk
about how too many people are using it who should
not be, and how it wastes muscle as well.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
That's a that's a great question.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
And you know it's termed like o zempic body right,
and in New York, you don't sugarcoat anything. So let's
unpack it, right, Just imagine scrolling Instagram, every celebrity looks
like they accidentally walk through the dryer on high heat. It's,
you know, it's shrinking faster than a Yankees playoff lead
and sorry you blink and boom jaw lines are sharper,
(01:29):
arms get smaller, faces get hollower, right, and it's it's
in celebrity, in in in the you know, the Hollywood culture.
It's it's almost a disappearing act. And I'm not body shaming, right,
It's just me saying, why does everybody, you know, these
people in Hollywood look like they're on a diet of
almond their almond milk and their right. It's it's it's
(01:49):
just it's one of those things where what they do
and what the glp ones do, which are the Ozepics
and Wagovi's of the world, is they put you on
a CLOrk deficit, which makes it so that you consume
your fat stores and if you experience rapid weight loss.
Then your body is looking for fuel source, so it
(02:11):
starts to go and basically use your muscle as a
fuel source. So when you have rapid weight loss and
it's not managed and other interventions are done, you're going
to lose muscle, not just fat.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
So let me clarify for everybody we're talking. And by
the way, the numbers are anywhere from twenty five to
forty percent of total weight loss could be muscle, and
that's a lot. And by the way, when we say muscle,
everybody thinks biceps. Muscle is heart as well. Muscle could
be liver, muscle could be your organs. So you know,
you have to be very careful when it comes to
not doing this the right way. My doctor had a
(02:43):
talk with me about this and he said, you're going
to consume this much protein each day if we're on this,
And by the way, the main reason was because my
blood sugar levels were ride at the pre diabetic level.
That's why, and I'm still on the baby dose point
two five. But he said, you're going to consume one
to one and a half gram of protein per pound
of body weight. You're going to do resistance exercises that
(03:05):
will help preserve your muscle and you're going to drink lots.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Of fluids every day. That's what I did.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Now in spite of that, I still look a little
bit gaunt at times. I had another doctor friend of
mine save me and say, if your doctor still has
you want to take it off. Unfortunately, it's because of
blood sugar. It's not because of weight loss. But too
many people say I need to lose five pounds after
the holidays, give me a prescription. That's not what you
want to.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Do well, And that's and again that was the original
intention behind these medications, right, like when you look at
what a lot of things are FDA cleared for in
use in practicality, they're not always prescribed for what they're
cleared for, and you get ancillary and side effect benefits
that can happen. And that was what was noticed. For
(03:51):
your diabetic patient. Are people that need blood sugar like yourself,
They were experiencing this weight loss. And I think the
biggest problem is I've got family members that before these drugs,
right would gain and lose the same one hundred and
fifty pounds their whole life as long as I can remember,
And each time they went off the strict regimen they
(04:11):
were on and went back to the way they were
doing things, they got fat or faster because they had
less muscle. Right, So what your doctor was telling you
is absolutely perfect advice.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I mean, you have to strength.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Train, you want to eat one to one and a
half grams of protein for your ideal body weight. It's
also you kind of look at it from a standpoint
you want to have a good portion of healthy fats
and you want to eat nutrient dense foods to get
your carbs as well.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Absolutely, everybody. This is Paul Fulford on with us right now.
He is a healthy living expert. He's worked with leaders
in medical aesthetics and he hosts the Optimized Outcomes with
Paul Fulford podcast seven to ten WR, the Voice of
New York. This is the Marx Simoncio, Ken Risotto Win
from Mark Today, also Paul. For decades, parents have always
said clean your place, and then, of course fifty years
(05:01):
ago we used to hear there are children starving and
insert your country here, right, and that sort of ingrained
in us that you got to finish everything on your plate.
But that is the worst thing you could do to children.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Write well, yes, you know right.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
You know, I would say that it's Porsche control just
like anything else. Right, if you put it on their plate,
just make sure it's the right portion. And again like
we still want to you know, I have I have
a little niece, and it's almost like bribing her to
get to eat the protein. She just wants to eat
the mac and cheese. Right, So if you put it
on the plate, they have to finish it. But do
(05:37):
it in the right portions, you know, do it in
the like ninety grams of proteins, thirty grams of healthy fats,
and fifty grams of healthy carbs. Right, Just do it
in the right portions and say they don't get you know,
whatever that treat is that we have to bribe them
with unless they finish their plate.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
That's a good idea, say that you got to play
the game with kids, not being a dad. I only
know from the from having been a kid, that's it.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
But well you knows, I think too when you look
at this from a psychological standpoint in these kids looking
at their idols, right, that's just the part that hits hard,
you know, And there's new research that shows, you know,
children are developing body image issues before they lose their
baby teeth, you know. And and the thing is in
New York kids are more aware, they grow up faster,
(06:22):
They see everything, They absorb culture like a sponge on
the f train floor.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Right.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
It's it's one of those things that you know, it's
it's a dangerous thing, and it's it's one of those
things kids should be learning multiplication not macros.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I remember we're talking thirty five forty years ago, Paul
I saw a TV show. It was a news a
news show. I won't mention which of the which of
the brands it was, but where they took a series
of babies, maybe a year old, and they or two
between one and two, and they put them in a
room and they showed them pictures, and they showed pictures
(06:59):
of people of every different race and ethnicity, and then
they showed those same races and ethnicities as thin and
as obese, and in every single case, the children reacted
to obese people in a negative way. Now, there could
have been conditioning by that point, because the children are
one to two years old. There's already conditioning, of course,
(07:21):
but it was interesting to see that race did not
impact them anyway, whether it was white Black, whatever, Asian, whatever.
It was obesity that impacted them, So you have to
wonder what that's about. Is it something genetic, what is it?
But whatever, in our minds, we tend to gravitate right
towards somebody who appears whatever our definition of healthy is,
(07:44):
whether it be for reproductive reasons or whatever. But there
is a healthy way to go about it and then
an unhealthy way. I think America is obsessed with the unhealthy.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, and you're actually right, there are psychological cues that
are ingrained in us that.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
You realize.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
You see these things in its subconscious right, where stronger
jawline typically denotes more power. And when you look at
a woman versus a man in a traditional sense, you know,
an hourglass shape signifies beauty, a V shape for a
man signifies you know, strength and power. Right, So there
(08:21):
are these subconscious cues that our body looks at things
to being proportionate in how our brain process is information
that you can see that even at a young age,
like you're bringing up in that study, there are things
that are ingrained and we are sort of our environment, right,
Like certain people tend to have biases based on what
(08:45):
they're around as.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Well, absolutely. Well.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Listen, we want to get a website for more info. Paul,
what's your website?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
So the the vice manufacturer I work for is Sinoshoreleutronic
dot com and for all things Optimize Outcomes, which the
podcast discussed all things in a way that are what
I'm trying to coin as biofunctional aesthetics, which is bio
(09:13):
biology by biohiking, biology, functional medicine and medical aesthetics.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
They're all blending together now.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I mean, yeah, we can take you know, we can
take seven to ten years off somebody's face, but if
they're only going to three live three more, what's the point, right?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
You know? So people want anti aging as much as longevity.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
And it's and it's very much you know, in the
in the public eye. The podcast is Optimize Outcomes and
that's on YouTube, Spotify and Apple Podcasts.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Very good Healthy Living Expert podcast host Paul Fulford. Great
to have you on. We've got to have you on again.
Thanks for coming on the Mark Simunk Show this morning.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Absolutely, thank you for having me on. I appreciate it.
You bet.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's Ken ri zettowin from Mark on your Friday. And
when we come back, we will take more of your calls.
The numbers one eight hundred three two one zero seven ten,
one one hundred three two one zero seven ten for
WR
This is the Mark Simone Show on seven ten.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Wi Ben from Mark Today, Here's Ken Rosatto and very
good to be here on your Friday morning.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Well.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
He is a healthy living expert who has worked with
leaders in medical aesthetics, and he hosts the Optimized Outcomes
with Paul Fulford podcast, which talks about health and longevity.
We say good morning to you, Paul Fulford.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Good morning, how you doing good?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Good to be good to have you on. I should say,
I just want to clarify you sound like you're in
studio because we have you on zoom, so it sounds
like you're literally sitting next to me.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
So clear.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
For years, Paul, so many people have suffered with obesity
and all the physical breakdown that comes with it. I
used to weigh nearly four hundred pounds years ago, and
I had gastric bypass. I did fenn Fenn got down
each time I got down a certain amount, but never
got all the way until the weight loss drugs right
and for the last thirty pounds because I needed to
(00:55):
stabilize blood sugar, I was put on ozepik. But talk
about how too many people are using it who should
not be, and how it wastes muscle as well.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
That's a that's a great question.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
And you know it's termed like o zempic body right,
and in New York, you don't sugarcoat anything. So let's
unpack it, right, Just imagine scrolling Instagram, every celebrity looks
like they accidentally walk through the dryer on high heat. It's,
you know, it's shrinking faster than a Yankees playoff lead
and sorry you blink and boom jaw lines are sharper,
(01:29):
arms get smaller, faces get hollower, right, and it's it's
in celebrity, in in in the you know, the Hollywood culture.
It's it's almost a disappearing act. And I'm not body shaming, right,
It's just me saying, why does everybody, you know, these
people in Hollywood look like they're on a diet of
almond their almond milk and their right. It's it's it's
(01:49):
just it's one of those things where what they do
and what the glp ones do, which are the Ozepics
and Wagovi's of the world, is they put you on
a CLOrk deficit, which makes it so that you consume
your fat stores and if you experience rapid weight loss.
Then your body is looking for fuel source, so it
(02:11):
starts to go and basically use your muscle as a
fuel source. So when you have rapid weight loss and
it's not managed and other interventions are done, you're going
to lose muscle, not just fat.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
So let me clarify for everybody we're talking. And by
the way, the numbers are anywhere from twenty five to
forty percent of total weight loss could be muscle, and
that's a lot. And by the way, when we say muscle,
everybody thinks biceps. Muscle is heart as well. Muscle could
be liver, muscle could be your organs. So you know,
you have to be very careful when it comes to
not doing this the right way. My doctor had a
(02:43):
talk with me about this and he said, you're going
to consume this much protein each day if we're on this,
And by the way, the main reason was because my
blood sugar levels were ride at the pre diabetic level.
That's why, and I'm still on the baby dose point
two five. But he said, you're going to consume one
to one and a half gram of protein per pound
of body weight. You're going to do resistance exercises that
(03:05):
will help preserve your muscle and you're going to drink lots.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Of fluids every day. That's what I did.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Now in spite of that, I still look a little
bit gaunt at times. I had another doctor friend of
mine save me and say, if your doctor still has
you want to take it off. Unfortunately, it's because of
blood sugar. It's not because of weight loss. But too
many people say I need to lose five pounds after
the holidays, give me a prescription. That's not what you
want to.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Do well, And that's and again that was the original
intention behind these medications, right, like when you look at
what a lot of things are FDA cleared for in
use in practicality, they're not always prescribed for what they're
cleared for, and you get ancillary and side effect benefits
that can happen. And that was what was noticed. For
(03:51):
your diabetic patient. Are people that need blood sugar like yourself,
They were experiencing this weight loss. And I think the
biggest problem is I've got family members that before these drugs,
right would gain and lose the same one hundred and
fifty pounds their whole life as long as I can remember,
And each time they went off the strict regimen they
(04:11):
were on and went back to the way they were
doing things, they got fat or faster because they had
less muscle. Right, So what your doctor was telling you
is absolutely perfect advice.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I mean, you have to strength.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Train, you want to eat one to one and a
half grams of protein for your ideal body weight. It's
also you kind of look at it from a standpoint
you want to have a good portion of healthy fats
and you want to eat nutrient dense foods to get
your carbs as well.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Absolutely, everybody. This is Paul Fulford on with us right now.
He is a healthy living expert. He's worked with leaders
in medical aesthetics and he hosts the Optimized Outcomes with
Paul Fulford podcast seven to ten WR, the Voice of
New York. This is the Marx Simoncio, Ken Risotto Win
from Mark Today, also Paul. For decades, parents have always
said clean your place, and then, of course fifty years
(05:01):
ago we used to hear there are children starving and
insert your country here, right, and that sort of ingrained
in us that you got to finish everything on your plate.
But that is the worst thing you could do to children.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Write well, yes, you know right.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
You know, I would say that it's Porsche control just
like anything else. Right, if you put it on their plate,
just make sure it's the right portion. And again like
we still want to you know, I have I have
a little niece, and it's almost like bribing her to
get to eat the protein. She just wants to eat
the mac and cheese. Right, So if you put it
on the plate, they have to finish it. But do
(05:37):
it in the right portions, you know, do it in
the like ninety grams of proteins, thirty grams of healthy fats,
and fifty grams of healthy carbs. Right, Just do it
in the right portions and say they don't get you know,
whatever that treat is that we have to bribe them
with unless they finish their plate.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
That's a good idea, say that you got to play
the game with kids, not being a dad. I only
know from the from having been a kid, that's it.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
But well you knows, I think too when you look
at this from a psychological standpoint in these kids looking
at their idols, right, that's just the part that hits hard,
you know, And there's new research that shows, you know,
children are developing body image issues before they lose their
baby teeth, you know. And and the thing is in
New York kids are more aware, they grow up faster,
(06:22):
They see everything, They absorb culture like a sponge on
the f train floor.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Right.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
It's it's one of those things that you know, it's
it's a dangerous thing, and it's it's one of those
things kids should be learning multiplication not macros.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I remember we're talking thirty five forty years ago, Paul
I saw a TV show. It was a news a
news show. I won't mention which of the which of
the brands it was, but where they took a series
of babies, maybe a year old, and they or two
between one and two, and they put them in a
room and they showed them pictures, and they showed pictures
(06:59):
of people of every different race and ethnicity, and then
they showed those same races and ethnicities as thin and
as obese, and in every single case, the children reacted
to obese people in a negative way. Now, there could
have been conditioning by that point, because the children are
one to two years old. There's already conditioning, of course,
(07:21):
but it was interesting to see that race did not
impact them anyway, whether it was white Black, whatever, Asian, whatever.
It was obesity that impacted them, So you have to
wonder what that's about. Is it something genetic, what is it?
But whatever, in our minds, we tend to gravitate right
towards somebody who appears whatever our definition of healthy is,
(07:44):
whether it be for reproductive reasons or whatever. But there
is a healthy way to go about it and then
an unhealthy way. I think America is obsessed with the unhealthy.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, and you're actually right, there are psychological cues that
are ingrained in us that.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
You realize.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
You see these things in its subconscious right, where stronger
jawline typically denotes more power. And when you look at
a woman versus a man in a traditional sense, you know,
an hourglass shape signifies beauty, a V shape for a
man signifies you know, strength and power. Right, So there
(08:21):
are these subconscious cues that our body looks at things
to being proportionate in how our brain process is information
that you can see that even at a young age,
like you're bringing up in that study, there are things
that are ingrained and we are sort of our environment, right,
Like certain people tend to have biases based on what
(08:45):
they're around as.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Well, absolutely. Well.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Listen, we want to get a website for more info. Paul,
what's your website?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
So the the vice manufacturer I work for is Sinoshoreleutronic
dot com and for all things Optimize Outcomes, which the
podcast discussed all things in a way that are what
I'm trying to coin as biofunctional aesthetics, which is bio
(09:13):
biology by biohiking, biology, functional medicine and medical aesthetics.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
They're all blending together now.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I mean, yeah, we can take you know, we can
take seven to ten years off somebody's face, but if
they're only going to three live three more, what's the point, right?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
You know? So people want anti aging as much as longevity.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
And it's and it's very much you know, in the
in the public eye. The podcast is Optimize Outcomes and
that's on YouTube, Spotify and Apple Podcasts.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Very good Healthy Living Expert podcast host Paul Fulford. Great
to have you on. We've got to have you on again.
Thanks for coming on the Mark Simunk Show this morning.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Absolutely, thank you for having me on. I appreciate it.
You bet.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's Ken ri zettowin from Mark on your Friday. And
when we come back, we will take more of your calls.
The numbers one eight hundred three two one zero seven ten,
one one hundred three two one zero seven ten for
WR
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