December 8, 2025 • 11 mins
Miranda analyzes the unresolved January 6th RNC pipe bomber case, questioning the lack of public outrage. The Two also examine why Democrats seem less critical of similar military actions taken by former Presidents Obama and Biden, compared to those under Trump, and how this disparity fuels partisan anger.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Did Mark on Demand by setting a preset for his
podcast on the iHeartRadio app. Now back to Mark Simone
on wo Well, hey, Miranda Divine, I would say, now
the number one biggest columnist in America of course, all
our columns the New York Post website. Hey. Also, you
know she's the best selling author. If you haven't read
(00:23):
the book The Big Guy. This is all about Biden
Hunter the Biden administration. Joe, you got to get this book,
The Big Guy. It's a huge bestseller. If you need
a good Christmas present, the book The Big Guy by
Miranda Divine. Also, she does one of the best podcasts around.
It's called pod Force one. You can get it wherever
you get a podcasts. Since she's with us right now,
(00:45):
Miranda Divine, how you doing? Nope, I don't hear Miranda Divine.
Are you there? Oh there? You are great to talk
to you. Where do we start? Hey, this pipe bomber
who tried to blow up the RNC and the DNC.
(01:05):
The Trump administration catches the guy. Three week investigation. It's great.
What happened for the last five years, nothing happened. Nobody
didn't looked for the guy.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Well, I mean that is the big question. And I
think cash Puttel and Pambondi alluded to that when they
said that we had no new information, just fresh eyes,
and the information seemed to be there right in front
of them. When you look at the court documents the
other day on Friday, when this guy, Brian Cole Junior
(01:39):
was arraigned, it shows that they got him through his
cell phone. It pinned seven times on that night of
January five, twenty twenty one, around the time that the
surveillance cameras showed this gray hooded figure wandering around planting
(01:59):
pipe bombs just half a mile from the capital. And
it's you know, the guy is seen on his phone
in these videos several times or the person and the
phone companies have said, yeah, there it is. And they
knew that back in April of twenty twenty one, at
(02:21):
the latest April of twenty twenty one, the FBI had
that information. But something strange happened to that investigation. They
had thirteen FBI special agents on the pipe bomb case initially,
and then they just they just deprioritized it. I think,
(02:41):
you know, Chris Ray ends up going before the Senate
on March the first and gets hammered by Democrats demanding
to know why he hasn't arrested more grandmothers for trespassing
outside the capital, more Trump supporters. And you know, maybe
it's as simple as that, but the FBI was not
(03:04):
looking for this pipe bomber because the the answer was
staring them in the face. And they spent a lot
of resources doing a lot of stupid, well, I don't know, stupid,
but you know, difficult things trying to track down, you know,
who bought batteries nine volt batteries, and who bought you know,
(03:24):
the cap that was end cap on the pipe bomb,
et cetera. When they were they were rounding up the
grandmothers from J six using cell phone data. So very strange.
And then there was the case that the the FBI
guy in charge of the whole investigation, the head of
(03:44):
the Washington FBI Field office, the guy retired now Stephen
Duane Twono, he testified to Congress and in a closed
door hearing, and he said, oh, we got some some
of this cell phone data, but it was corrupted. Maybe
the culprit was in that cell phone data. And yet
(04:06):
the cell phone companies said no, no, we didn't hand
over anything that was corrupted, and the FBI never complained
that it was corrupted. So that's another little mystery.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Is it this simple that when they looked at this
pipe bombing case because he tried to blow up the
RNC and the DNC, that it was pretty clear it
was not going to turn out to be a Trump supporter,
so it didn't fit the narrative, so they just let
it go for that reason.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yes, and maybe they knew that the suspect was a
young black man at the time, he would have been
twenty five and probably not a MAGA supporter. Didn't fit
with their narrative that January six was an insurrection committed
by ultra MAGA white supremacist you know, Joe Biden dined
(04:52):
out on that for the next four years. They thought
that January six was the nail in the coffin of
Trump's career prospects, and then they just to make sure,
they decided to bang eighty one different indictments on him,
and none of it worked. And now they're in trouble
and about to be found out, not that they really
(05:13):
care because five years have gone past almost and I
guess they figure they're home free.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah, but they always think they got the nail in
the coffin. They think the Epstein file that's the nail
in the coffin, the Narco boats, that's They're always wrong
every time. How come they don't learn from their.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Mistakes because they actually get benefit from them. Oh, because
they don't destroy him, but they certainly knock off a
bit of support. You know, suddenly people start grumbling. The
White House needs to turn its attention to refusing the lies.
It's just it's all about tying him down. I always
(05:51):
think of Donald Trump as like you know, Gulliver and
Gullibu's troubles and he's got all the little midgets just
tying him down, and he was great. He always breaks
free or or he's like the bull in the ring
and the little guys come out become of what they're called.
But they throw the darts at him and the spears
and just weaken him up before the matador. And of
(06:14):
course the matador is an old, broken down hack, which
was Joe Biden. But by that stage their damage had
been done. You know, they do inflict Don Trump, which
stands a lot, but he does get batter than bruised
because he's human. And this is what they do when
it works for them, and they're just playing the same
old playbook with a few different characters.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Huh, that's interesting. Now, whatever you have mad at Trump
for the blowing up the Narco boats, whatever it is,
Biden Obama did exactly the same thing with drone strikes. Whatever,
whatever you're pointing to, you can point to the Biden
did it, Obama did it. How Come that doesn't register
with the MSNBC viewers.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Oh, because they just call it what about ism? And
they just because on the outrage in front of them. Yeah,
it's an old, worn playbook. And luckily ms NOW as
they call themselves, just have you know, dwindling the audience
and dwindling influence, and the same with CNN. So I
(07:18):
mean there's fewer people that they can propagandaze. I thought
it was rather disturbing in that FBI report I wrote
about last week from a group of sort of whistleblower
type people. They said that every every television in the
different field offices at the FBI is tuned into ms
(07:43):
NOW and CNN, but never Fox, and so they've got
that sturdy drone It is. It is like propaganda. It's
like radio Rwanda before the Civil War. You know, you
just keep on the drum beat the other side. They're evil,
they're doing bad things. Donald Trump's a monster. And you know,
(08:03):
you get that pumped into your head twenty four to
seven or every minute that you're at work, and then
you go home and do the same thing. It has
to have an effect.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, Now, the story was the good men and women
in the FBI. It was just the bad left wing
cooks on the ninth floor there with call me. But
now we're hearing there were a lot of left wing
cooks in the ranks put there by Muller and called
me through the years. I think you reported that.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, yes, And you know it's because it was a
deliberate decision by Muller. I'm not sure he particularly wanted lefties,
but he certainly wanted university educated agents, and so they
he really revolutionized the ranks. And when you bring in
people from the universities who've done soft social sciences, inevitably
(08:50):
they're going to be propagandized lefties. And that changed the
tenor i'm told from some old hands of the fort
the Bureau. And then of course Comey was a bad
guy and they started to prioritize high So of all
the professions, of all the university educated professions, who are
(09:15):
the most left wing, Well, you'd have social workers and teachers,
and they prioritized teachers. So there you have it, and
teachers have got the added disadvantage. There are great teachers.
I Am never going to take that away from them.
But they would know themselves, and they tell me themselves
that they are surrounded by lefties who are also very
(09:38):
arrogant because they're used to having classrooms of children who
they can command, and so they waltzed into the FBI
like they owned the place.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Interesting. Well, Miranda Devine, great work as always. Now you
do Pod Force one, you should listen to a podcast
Pod Force one. Who's on the next episode.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Well on Wednesday with talking to Hami Dylan, who was
just an attorney general who's in charge of the Civil
Rights Division at the DOJ, and she is amazing talk
about she would be one of the best warriors in
the administration for the good things. She's against big tech,
censorship and all sorts of government over each she's waded
(10:22):
in where others fear to tread. And she's also voter integrity.
That's one of her big things, and I think she's
going to do a lot of good. There are a
lot of states are resisting her demands that they hand
over their voter rolls to make sure that they're clean.
But knowing her, she'll make sure she gets it.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
All done before Wednesday. You know what. Go listen to
the past episodes of Podforce one with President Trump with
a Scott Besson's.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Great her latest one's Ron Johnson. Interesting on quite a
few on Russia Gate and interestingly on He's got to
be in his about Tower seven at the World Trade Center,
so which is interesting because it did blow up in
a weird way and we do know that there were
CIA and FBI floors, there was lots of files.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Well, everybody, go listen to Podforce one the podcast wherever
you get your podcasts. Hey, and get the book if
you haven't read it yet, The Big Guy by Miranda Divine,
also a good Christmas present, The Big Guy, Great book,
and the reader column. Of course, they're all up on
the New York Post website. Miranda Divine, thanks for being
with us.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Thanks so much, Mark.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I take care. Hey, don't forget Buck and Clay coming
up noon today seven to ten woir
Did Mark on Demand by setting a preset for his
podcast on the iHeartRadio app. Now back to Mark Simone
on wo Well, hey, Miranda Divine, I would say, now
the number one biggest columnist in America of course, all
our columns the New York Post website. Hey. Also, you
know she's the best selling author. If you haven't read
(00:23):
the book The Big Guy. This is all about Biden
Hunter the Biden administration. Joe, you got to get this book,
The Big Guy. It's a huge bestseller. If you need
a good Christmas present, the book The Big Guy by
Miranda Divine. Also, she does one of the best podcasts around.
It's called pod Force one. You can get it wherever
you get a podcasts. Since she's with us right now,
(00:45):
Miranda Divine, how you doing? Nope, I don't hear Miranda Divine.
Are you there? Oh there? You are great to talk
to you. Where do we start? Hey, this pipe bomber
who tried to blow up the RNC and the DNC.
(01:05):
The Trump administration catches the guy. Three week investigation. It's great.
What happened for the last five years, nothing happened. Nobody
didn't looked for the guy.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Well, I mean that is the big question. And I
think cash Puttel and Pambondi alluded to that when they
said that we had no new information, just fresh eyes,
and the information seemed to be there right in front
of them. When you look at the court documents the
other day on Friday, when this guy, Brian Cole Junior
(01:39):
was arraigned, it shows that they got him through his
cell phone. It pinned seven times on that night of
January five, twenty twenty one, around the time that the
surveillance cameras showed this gray hooded figure wandering around planting
(01:59):
pipe bombs just half a mile from the capital. And
it's you know, the guy is seen on his phone
in these videos several times or the person and the
phone companies have said, yeah, there it is. And they
knew that back in April of twenty twenty one, at
(02:21):
the latest April of twenty twenty one, the FBI had
that information. But something strange happened to that investigation. They
had thirteen FBI special agents on the pipe bomb case initially,
and then they just they just deprioritized it. I think,
(02:41):
you know, Chris Ray ends up going before the Senate
on March the first and gets hammered by Democrats demanding
to know why he hasn't arrested more grandmothers for trespassing
outside the capital, more Trump supporters. And you know, maybe
it's as simple as that, but the FBI was not
(03:04):
looking for this pipe bomber because the the answer was
staring them in the face. And they spent a lot
of resources doing a lot of stupid, well, I don't know, stupid,
but you know, difficult things trying to track down, you know,
who bought batteries nine volt batteries, and who bought you know,
(03:24):
the cap that was end cap on the pipe bomb,
et cetera. When they were they were rounding up the
grandmothers from J six using cell phone data. So very strange.
And then there was the case that the the FBI
guy in charge of the whole investigation, the head of
(03:44):
the Washington FBI Field office, the guy retired now Stephen
Duane Twono, he testified to Congress and in a closed
door hearing, and he said, oh, we got some some
of this cell phone data, but it was corrupted. Maybe
the culprit was in that cell phone data. And yet
(04:06):
the cell phone companies said no, no, we didn't hand
over anything that was corrupted, and the FBI never complained
that it was corrupted. So that's another little mystery.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Is it this simple that when they looked at this
pipe bombing case because he tried to blow up the
RNC and the DNC, that it was pretty clear it
was not going to turn out to be a Trump supporter,
so it didn't fit the narrative, so they just let
it go for that reason.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yes, and maybe they knew that the suspect was a
young black man at the time, he would have been
twenty five and probably not a MAGA supporter. Didn't fit
with their narrative that January six was an insurrection committed
by ultra MAGA white supremacist you know, Joe Biden dined
(04:52):
out on that for the next four years. They thought
that January six was the nail in the coffin of
Trump's career prospects, and then they just to make sure,
they decided to bang eighty one different indictments on him,
and none of it worked. And now they're in trouble
and about to be found out, not that they really
(05:13):
care because five years have gone past almost and I
guess they figure they're home free.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah, but they always think they got the nail in
the coffin. They think the Epstein file that's the nail
in the coffin, the Narco boats, that's They're always wrong
every time. How come they don't learn from their.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Mistakes because they actually get benefit from them. Oh, because
they don't destroy him, but they certainly knock off a
bit of support. You know, suddenly people start grumbling. The
White House needs to turn its attention to refusing the lies.
It's just it's all about tying him down. I always
(05:51):
think of Donald Trump as like you know, Gulliver and
Gullibu's troubles and he's got all the little midgets just
tying him down, and he was great. He always breaks
free or or he's like the bull in the ring
and the little guys come out become of what they're called.
But they throw the darts at him and the spears
and just weaken him up before the matador. And of
(06:14):
course the matador is an old, broken down hack, which
was Joe Biden. But by that stage their damage had
been done. You know, they do inflict Don Trump, which
stands a lot, but he does get batter than bruised
because he's human. And this is what they do when
it works for them, and they're just playing the same
old playbook with a few different characters.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Huh, that's interesting. Now, whatever you have mad at Trump
for the blowing up the Narco boats, whatever it is,
Biden Obama did exactly the same thing with drone strikes. Whatever,
whatever you're pointing to, you can point to the Biden
did it, Obama did it. How Come that doesn't register
with the MSNBC viewers.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Oh, because they just call it what about ism? And
they just because on the outrage in front of them. Yeah,
it's an old, worn playbook. And luckily ms NOW as
they call themselves, just have you know, dwindling the audience
and dwindling influence, and the same with CNN. So I
(07:18):
mean there's fewer people that they can propagandaze. I thought
it was rather disturbing in that FBI report I wrote
about last week from a group of sort of whistleblower
type people. They said that every every television in the
different field offices at the FBI is tuned into ms
(07:43):
NOW and CNN, but never Fox, and so they've got
that sturdy drone It is. It is like propaganda. It's
like radio Rwanda before the Civil War. You know, you
just keep on the drum beat the other side. They're evil,
they're doing bad things. Donald Trump's a monster. And you know,
(08:03):
you get that pumped into your head twenty four to
seven or every minute that you're at work, and then
you go home and do the same thing. It has
to have an effect.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, Now, the story was the good men and women
in the FBI. It was just the bad left wing
cooks on the ninth floor there with call me. But
now we're hearing there were a lot of left wing
cooks in the ranks put there by Muller and called
me through the years. I think you reported that.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, yes, And you know it's because it was a
deliberate decision by Muller. I'm not sure he particularly wanted lefties,
but he certainly wanted university educated agents, and so they
he really revolutionized the ranks. And when you bring in
people from the universities who've done soft social sciences, inevitably
(08:50):
they're going to be propagandized lefties. And that changed the
tenor i'm told from some old hands of the fort
the Bureau. And then of course Comey was a bad
guy and they started to prioritize high So of all
the professions, of all the university educated professions, who are
(09:15):
the most left wing, Well, you'd have social workers and teachers,
and they prioritized teachers. So there you have it, and
teachers have got the added disadvantage. There are great teachers.
I Am never going to take that away from them.
But they would know themselves, and they tell me themselves
that they are surrounded by lefties who are also very
(09:38):
arrogant because they're used to having classrooms of children who
they can command, and so they waltzed into the FBI
like they owned the place.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Interesting. Well, Miranda Devine, great work as always. Now you
do Pod Force one, you should listen to a podcast
Pod Force one. Who's on the next episode.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Well on Wednesday with talking to Hami Dylan, who was
just an attorney general who's in charge of the Civil
Rights Division at the DOJ, and she is amazing talk
about she would be one of the best warriors in
the administration for the good things. She's against big tech,
censorship and all sorts of government over each she's waded
(10:22):
in where others fear to tread. And she's also voter integrity.
That's one of her big things, and I think she's
going to do a lot of good. There are a
lot of states are resisting her demands that they hand
over their voter rolls to make sure that they're clean.
But knowing her, she'll make sure she gets it.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
All done before Wednesday. You know what. Go listen to
the past episodes of Podforce one with President Trump with
a Scott Besson's.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Great her latest one's Ron Johnson. Interesting on quite a
few on Russia Gate and interestingly on He's got to
be in his about Tower seven at the World Trade Center,
so which is interesting because it did blow up in
a weird way and we do know that there were
CIA and FBI floors, there was lots of files.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Well, everybody, go listen to Podforce one the podcast wherever
you get your podcasts. Hey, and get the book if
you haven't read it yet, The Big Guy by Miranda Divine,
also a good Christmas present, The Big Guy, Great book,
and the reader column. Of course, they're all up on
the New York Post website. Miranda Divine, thanks for being
with us.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Thanks so much, Mark.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I take care. Hey, don't forget Buck and Clay coming
up noon today seven to ten woir
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