Sean Spicer is an American former political aide who served as the 30th White House Press Secretary and as White House Communications Director under President Donald Trump in 2017. Spicer was communications director of the Republican National Committee from 2011 to 2017, and its chief strategist from 2015 to 2017. During his tenure as White House press secretary, Spicer made a number of public statements that were controversial and false and developed a contentious relationship with the White House press corps. The first such instance occurred on January 21, 2017, the day following Trump's inauguration. Spicer repeated the claim that crowds at Trump's inauguration ceremony were the largest ever at such an event and that the press had deliberately underestimated the number of spectators. After this statement was widely criticized, Trump aide Kellyanne Conway said that Spicer had presented what she called "alternative facts" regarding the inauguration's attendance numbers. Spicer resigned as White House Press Secretary on July 21, 2017, although he remained at the White House in an unspecified capacity until August 31. Since leaving the White House, Spicer has published the memoir The Briefing: Politics, the Press, and the President, appeared as a contestant on season 28 of Dancing with the Stars, and hosted a political talk show on Newsmax TV.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is a podcast from wor Now the wr Saturday
Morning Show.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Here's Larry Minty.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to Saturday Morning. On today's show, Donald Trump has
had an amazing first two hundred plus days in office.
So why doesn't the legacy media see it?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Well?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I ask Donald Trump's very first Press secretary, Sean Spicer. Sean,
I would love to hear what you have to say
about the media coverage so far, because it's been accomplishment
after accomplishment after accomplishment. But if you listen to the
legacy media, it's been failure after failure after failure. And
luckily the people can see right through.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
This hundred percent. I agree with you, Larry. I mean,
that's the thing that's funny. And I had Kat McFarlane
on my show last night. She's a former jepany national
security advisor. I asked her a similar question and she
brought that up. And it's funny because when I get
asked about the difference between Trump one and Trump two,
I talk about the people and the policies and kind
(01:03):
of the process from things that are happening. But you're right,
and the difference though and the press is this, when
you look out from where I stood at the podium
in the first term versus where Caroline looks. Now, there
are a lot more And I don't want to say
friendly faces because that's not the point. But I would
say non adversarial is probably the best. And that's the
(01:25):
difference is that the last eight years we have really
seen the growth shows like mine, you know, voices like
you who have expanded their reach, and that's important. When
I left the White House, just to give you an example,
I did my first podcast with a woman named Katie
Pavlich and we had to go Igno a studio, we
had a book time and it was I mean it
(01:46):
was arduous just in terms of like because it was
just that's how it was courtedd I now have a
home studio in my house here in Virginia, and I
can do all sorts of and it's not I mean,
like the point is is very very reasonable. Whereas before
it took a lot more and that's given rise to
a lot of independent medias and people who are now
(02:09):
able to go to the White House. Jack Pisiebek sat
in the new media seat yesterday. It's the editor of
Human Events. He's all over social media. He's going to
be on my show tonight. But the point is they
I didn't. I mean, I had skype questions. I would
invite talk show hosts and local media folks to join
the White House briefing. But there are a whole new
group of folks and they're making the other folks less relevant.
(02:32):
And that's the real key to this. The CNNs and
the New York Times don't have the institutional power and
the audience and the subscribers that they used to, and
that's where I think there's a big difference between Trump
one and Trump two is that they sort of I
wouldn't say drowned out the voices, but if you go look,
I was just literally looking on at the list of
(02:53):
Apple top podcast before we joined Loo. Look at it's
dominated Ben Shapiro, Megan Kelly, Charlie Kirk, Candice Owens, Ben Shapiro,
the Morning Meeting that I'm part of every day from
at nine am. Like, we're in the top ten. And
we don't have a huge marketing budget at all, Honey,
We've none. But the point is that we can get
(03:16):
our voices out now and give people a place to
go that's not just the New York Times and the
Washington Post and Politico, And I think that, to me
is really what's changed in the last eight years is
that these adversarial voices at CNN and you know, NBC,
Washington Post, they don't have the dominance in the reach
(03:38):
that they did have. They're still who they are. And
to your point, like I watched some of the coveroards
sometimes and I'm like, do you guys like root for failure?
Is that your thing? Like I don't. It blows my
mind how many things President Trump has gotten done. He
just passed the two hundred day mark, and these guys
like have had nothing nice to say about the guy
(03:59):
at all, And I just find that kind of pathetic.
It's like, like most presidents hope for a signature accomplishment
in their first term. Think about what Trump's gone again,
whether or not, just objectively, whether or not, whether you
like him or not. Tax cuts, the Big Beautiful bill,
tariffs and trade, the borders secure were addressing multiple wars
(04:20):
that you know are that the buyer has been put
out because of President Trump's intervention. Like, so it's not
one thing, Larry, it's like countless things. The biggest obstacle
And I mean this sincerely that the Trump administration is
going to have is how to continue.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
This well and also how to deal with a media
that's going to be against them all the time. But
I but you're right, they are losing power as they
were trying to make him less powerful. They only did
it to themselves. And I don't I don't think they yeah,
exactly been shows like yours and and and shows like
you know Joe Rogan, who's suddenly become a conservative, and
(04:59):
and so some other people like Megan Kelly, as you
mentioned Ben Shapiro. They're gaining so many listeners and viewers.
It has been incredible the shift in the media. But
I don't think they can help it. I don't think
they're purposely They can't. They're purposely biased. They are just
filled with the same people. They live in a bubble.
(05:20):
They believe they're correct. It's the hiring practices, not what
you see on air. It's the people behind the scenes
that are the problem showing.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yes. So you know what, the funny thing about your
analysis right now is one of the things. I mean,
I talked about what I think is different between Trump
one and Trump two, and you put your finger on
something just now. This is I'm gonna use a Kamala
Harris phrase for you, Larry, it's the root pause. And
so when we looked at higher education, you saw what
(05:49):
Linda McMahon did at the Department of Education, which is brilliant.
It wasn't just about Harvard or Columbia or Brown, right
that those are problems, but the bigger issue that Linda
identified was it was the accreditation. They were bowing to
these accreditation boards that said, well, you're a good school.
Uh you that these courses are fantastic, but you're not
(06:10):
woken off. You need more DEI And and so I
think what your your point is the reporters, Yeah, they're biased,
and it's not but when you go to the hiring practices,
to the root cause of why, that's the answer. And
I think that that's something that we're slowly getting to
understand that it's not just about uh, the reporters themselves
(06:35):
and being horrible if if you have, I mean I
I literally watched a CNN program over the weekend that
was on and and it was just horrendous, And I
thought to myself, like, these guys have seen the movie
if you will. For the last eight years of Trump
and yet they launched a show on Saturdays. I get
it Saturday, so it's not that big of a deal.
(06:56):
That's like literally anti Trump and the clips. The only
attention that CNN evergets these days is when Scott Jennings,
the Republican unded said something brilliant about Trump, and that's
the only time anyone pays attention. You're absolutely right, the
one Republican is mocking them.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, you're absolutely right. We've had Scott on the show
several times. Look, we got to get you back real fast, Seawan.
We want to have this conversation even more because it's important.
Sean Spicer, donald Trump's first press secretary, host of The
Sean Spicer Show podcast. You can find that on the
iHeartRadio app and on YouTube. This has been a podcast
(07:34):
from wor
This is a podcast from wor Now the wr Saturday
Morning Show.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Here's Larry Minty.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to Saturday Morning. On today's show, Donald Trump has
had an amazing first two hundred plus days in office.
So why doesn't the legacy media see it?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Well?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I ask Donald Trump's very first Press secretary, Sean Spicer. Sean,
I would love to hear what you have to say
about the media coverage so far, because it's been accomplishment
after accomplishment after accomplishment. But if you listen to the
legacy media, it's been failure after failure after failure. And
luckily the people can see right through.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
This hundred percent. I agree with you, Larry. I mean,
that's the thing that's funny. And I had Kat McFarlane
on my show last night. She's a former jepany national
security advisor. I asked her a similar question and she
brought that up. And it's funny because when I get
asked about the difference between Trump one and Trump two,
I talk about the people and the policies and kind
(01:03):
of the process from things that are happening. But you're right,
and the difference though and the press is this, when
you look out from where I stood at the podium
in the first term versus where Caroline looks. Now, there
are a lot more And I don't want to say
friendly faces because that's not the point. But I would
say non adversarial is probably the best. And that's the
(01:25):
difference is that the last eight years we have really
seen the growth shows like mine, you know, voices like
you who have expanded their reach, and that's important. When
I left the White House, just to give you an example,
I did my first podcast with a woman named Katie
Pavlich and we had to go Igno a studio, we
had a book time and it was I mean it
(01:46):
was arduous just in terms of like because it was
just that's how it was courtedd I now have a
home studio in my house here in Virginia, and I
can do all sorts of and it's not I mean,
like the point is is very very reasonable. Whereas before
it took a lot more and that's given rise to
a lot of independent medias and people who are now
(02:09):
able to go to the White House. Jack Pisiebek sat
in the new media seat yesterday. It's the editor of
Human Events. He's all over social media. He's going to
be on my show tonight. But the point is they
I didn't. I mean, I had skype questions. I would
invite talk show hosts and local media folks to join
the White House briefing. But there are a whole new
group of folks and they're making the other folks less relevant.
(02:32):
And that's the real key to this. The CNNs and
the New York Times don't have the institutional power and
the audience and the subscribers that they used to, and
that's where I think there's a big difference between Trump
one and Trump two is that they sort of I
wouldn't say drowned out the voices, but if you go look,
I was just literally looking on at the list of
(02:53):
Apple top podcast before we joined Loo. Look at it's
dominated Ben Shapiro, Megan Kelly, Charlie Kirk, Candice Owens, Ben Shapiro,
the Morning Meeting that I'm part of every day from
at nine am. Like, we're in the top ten. And
we don't have a huge marketing budget at all, Honey,
We've none. But the point is that we can get
(03:16):
our voices out now and give people a place to
go that's not just the New York Times and the
Washington Post and Politico, And I think that, to me
is really what's changed in the last eight years is
that these adversarial voices at CNN and you know, NBC,
Washington Post, they don't have the dominance in the reach
(03:38):
that they did have. They're still who they are. And
to your point, like I watched some of the coveroards
sometimes and I'm like, do you guys like root for failure?
Is that your thing? Like I don't. It blows my
mind how many things President Trump has gotten done. He
just passed the two hundred day mark, and these guys
like have had nothing nice to say about the guy
(03:59):
at all, And I just find that kind of pathetic.
It's like, like most presidents hope for a signature accomplishment
in their first term. Think about what Trump's gone again,
whether or not, just objectively, whether or not, whether you
like him or not. Tax cuts, the Big Beautiful bill,
tariffs and trade, the borders secure were addressing multiple wars
(04:20):
that you know are that the buyer has been put
out because of President Trump's intervention. Like, so it's not
one thing, Larry, it's like countless things. The biggest obstacle
And I mean this sincerely that the Trump administration is
going to have is how to continue.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
This well and also how to deal with a media
that's going to be against them all the time. But
I but you're right, they are losing power as they
were trying to make him less powerful. They only did
it to themselves. And I don't I don't think they yeah,
exactly been shows like yours and and and shows like
you know Joe Rogan, who's suddenly become a conservative, and
(04:59):
and so some other people like Megan Kelly, as you
mentioned Ben Shapiro. They're gaining so many listeners and viewers.
It has been incredible the shift in the media. But
I don't think they can help it. I don't think
they're purposely They can't. They're purposely biased. They are just
filled with the same people. They live in a bubble.
(05:20):
They believe they're correct. It's the hiring practices, not what
you see on air. It's the people behind the scenes
that are the problem showing.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yes. So you know what, the funny thing about your
analysis right now is one of the things. I mean,
I talked about what I think is different between Trump
one and Trump two, and you put your finger on
something just now. This is I'm gonna use a Kamala
Harris phrase for you, Larry, it's the root pause. And
so when we looked at higher education, you saw what
(05:49):
Linda McMahon did at the Department of Education, which is brilliant.
It wasn't just about Harvard or Columbia or Brown, right
that those are problems, but the bigger issue that Linda
identified was it was the accreditation. They were bowing to
these accreditation boards that said, well, you're a good school.
Uh you that these courses are fantastic, but you're not
(06:10):
woken off. You need more DEI And and so I
think what your your point is the reporters, Yeah, they're biased,
and it's not but when you go to the hiring practices,
to the root cause of why, that's the answer. And
I think that that's something that we're slowly getting to
understand that it's not just about uh, the reporters themselves
(06:35):
and being horrible if if you have, I mean I
I literally watched a CNN program over the weekend that
was on and and it was just horrendous, And I
thought to myself, like, these guys have seen the movie
if you will. For the last eight years of Trump
and yet they launched a show on Saturdays. I get
it Saturday, so it's not that big of a deal.
(06:56):
That's like literally anti Trump and the clips. The only
attention that CNN evergets these days is when Scott Jennings,
the Republican unded said something brilliant about Trump, and that's
the only time anyone pays attention. You're absolutely right, the
one Republican is mocking them.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, you're absolutely right. We've had Scott on the show
several times. Look, we got to get you back real fast, Seawan.
We want to have this conversation even more because it's important.
Sean Spicer, donald Trump's first press secretary, host of The
Sean Spicer Show podcast. You can find that on the
iHeartRadio app and on YouTube. This has been a podcast
(07:34):
from wor
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