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Drs. William F. and Virginia Connolly Mitty Professor of Bioethics, Department of Population Health at NYU Grossman School of Medicine
Director, Division of Medical Ethics
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PhD from Columbia University
Drs. William F. and Virginia Connolly Mitty Professor of Bioethics, Department of Population Health at NYU Grossman School of Medicine
Director, Division of Medical Ethics
Graduate Education
PhD from Columbia University
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is a podcast from wo R. Back now to
the wo R Saturday Morning Show with Larry Minty. Welcome back.
Yet another reason to get rid of daylight savings time.
Doctor Arthur Caplan, professor of bioethics at NYU Langne explains,
Good morning, doctor Caplan, Thanks again as always for joining us.
(00:24):
This is music to my ears. I hate daylight savings time.
I don't know why it ever existed, and now finally
there's some medical support for getting rid of it.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, it turns out not only is it a nuisance.
And by the way, if there was ever a bipartisan
idea get rid of day it turned out that study
show that stroke rates increased and you also had more
(00:57):
heart attacks around daylight saving times change. And everybody thinks
it's due to the circadian rhythms being disrupted. So you know,
we get into a sleep cycle and get used to
it and then all of a sudden we flip it.
And I know it's not a big change, but for
many people it's a change in the time they have
to get up to go to work. It does seem
(01:19):
to be intrusive enough to cause health problems.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
And is the increase in the stroke rate that's significant.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Tiny, but you know, for what end, I mean, what
are we getting here. Somebody's gonna call or let me
know by email or something that they love daylight saving
time because I don't know, the kids get a little
more light or something at the bus stop, but the
whole society, both the economic cost of changing the clocks,
the loss of sleep and productivity, and now these health issues.
(01:49):
Again Ben Franklin loved the guy. His idea out of date.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, it has something to do right as I remember,
and you can correct me on this if I'm wrong.
It has something to do with back in the old days,
back in Ben Franklin's time, when kids had to go
to school but they had to work the fields as well. Yeah,
and then they just wanted them to be safe walking
to school. That's right, that's it.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Right, And they wanted also to get that extra time
to harvest. So it was really agricultural. But that's not
our society anymore. We don't need it. It's time to
change one way or another. The kids are either going
to school when it's dark or coming home with.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
It, right, exactly, absolutely, Yeah, it's never never ever made
any sense. Well, this is a kind of a that.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
One's let's listeners, let's push our legislators. You know, we
could really like get rid of this thing.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Do we know why people have held on to it
for this long?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Some people argue that it actually does still increase economic productivity,
but I don't think there's an ounce of data for that.
I think it's one of these customs and traditions that
is just it go those year to year. Some legislator
pipes up and says, you know, why are we doing
this exactly? And it's sort of like, I don't know,
because we've always done it not great rationales.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Well here's something that I don't think we've always done.
And it's kind of a shocking headline that New Jersey
now allows human composting after death. Can you explain this
to me?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
All right, put down your breakfast, everybody. This is an
idea and it's been around for a little bit. By
the way, legal in twelve states, including New York. No
people get cremated, and you know, people get buried. A
third idea came up was, look, if we treat a
human body as somebody's going to, you know, degenerate into
(03:47):
dirt and dust in the biblical sense, you can make
that process happen in about sixty days if you bury
the body in a special chamber. Companies offer this, cover
it with vegetation, straw, that sort of thing, and it
will become compost and then people take those remains the
(04:08):
dirt and use it to grow a tree or something
of value to the person who died and the loved
ones who remain. I'm not against it. I think it's safe,
it's not polluting. It probably saves us a lot of
space on graveyards. And not to be too morbid about it,
(04:28):
but you know, even if you're buried in a coffin
or some other burial mechanism, when you are going to
fall apart in there, it's not like this is doing
anything that doesn't happen eventually to us. All cremation well,
if you prefer that, but obviously you're turned into ashes.
(04:49):
So I don't know. It seems to me it's a
legitimate option for those who want it.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, you kind of talk me into it when you
were giving the explanation, because I wouldn't do it. But
if somebody wants to remember a loved one with a
tree or a garden and this helps them, then why not.
They're not hurting anybody.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yep, and you know where. But I'm going to make
a prediction you know where else this is going to go. Pets.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
You know, their dog, their cat. Do this grow the bush,
grow the tree, grow whatever. It will be kind of
a living memorial. So I think you're going to see
it expit not greatly. You know a lot of people
are taking I don't know about that, and I don't
know what the cost is any the truth, but I
do think we should make it legal. It's not hurting anyone,
(05:40):
doesn't pollute.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, but we should have a say in it.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
You should be able to say, hey, listen, I don't
want to be a tree.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Oh yeah, sure, absolutely. You get to pick. You get
to pick. You get to pick, even for your dog
might have been opposed.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Hey listen, I do want to talk to you at
a future date about this next story about AI and
the dangers of AI, not only when you go to
it for medical advice, but when you go to talk.
Because we had a teenager die when they were contemplating suicide.
But I think we're going to need more time for
that conversation. So is it okay, doctor Caplin, we'll talk
(06:15):
about it next time. Very good, doctor Arthur Caplan, Professor
of bioethics at New York University Land Gone Medical Center.
This has been a podcast from wor
This is a podcast from wo R. Back now to
the wo R Saturday Morning Show with Larry Minty. Welcome back.
Yet another reason to get rid of daylight savings time.
Doctor Arthur Caplan, professor of bioethics at NYU Langne explains,
Good morning, doctor Caplan, Thanks again as always for joining us.
(00:24):
This is music to my ears. I hate daylight savings time.
I don't know why it ever existed, and now finally
there's some medical support for getting rid of it.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, it turns out not only is it a nuisance.
And by the way, if there was ever a bipartisan
idea get rid of day it turned out that study
show that stroke rates increased and you also had more
(00:57):
heart attacks around daylight saving times change. And everybody thinks
it's due to the circadian rhythms being disrupted. So you know,
we get into a sleep cycle and get used to
it and then all of a sudden we flip it.
And I know it's not a big change, but for
many people it's a change in the time they have
to get up to go to work. It does seem
(01:19):
to be intrusive enough to cause health problems.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
And is the increase in the stroke rate that's significant.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Tiny, but you know, for what end, I mean, what
are we getting here. Somebody's gonna call or let me
know by email or something that they love daylight saving
time because I don't know, the kids get a little
more light or something at the bus stop, but the
whole society, both the economic cost of changing the clocks,
the loss of sleep and productivity, and now these health issues.
(01:49):
Again Ben Franklin loved the guy. His idea out of date.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, it has something to do right as I remember,
and you can correct me on this if I'm wrong.
It has something to do with back in the old days,
back in Ben Franklin's time, when kids had to go
to school but they had to work the fields as well. Yeah,
and then they just wanted them to be safe walking
to school. That's right, that's it.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Right, And they wanted also to get that extra time
to harvest. So it was really agricultural. But that's not
our society anymore. We don't need it. It's time to
change one way or another. The kids are either going
to school when it's dark or coming home with.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
It, right, exactly, absolutely, Yeah, it's never never ever made
any sense. Well, this is a kind of a that.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
One's let's listeners, let's push our legislators. You know, we
could really like get rid of this thing.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Do we know why people have held on to it
for this long?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Some people argue that it actually does still increase economic productivity,
but I don't think there's an ounce of data for that.
I think it's one of these customs and traditions that
is just it go those year to year. Some legislator
pipes up and says, you know, why are we doing
this exactly? And it's sort of like, I don't know,
because we've always done it not great rationales.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Well here's something that I don't think we've always done.
And it's kind of a shocking headline that New Jersey
now allows human composting after death. Can you explain this
to me?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
All right, put down your breakfast, everybody. This is an
idea and it's been around for a little bit. By
the way, legal in twelve states, including New York. No
people get cremated, and you know, people get buried. A
third idea came up was, look, if we treat a
human body as somebody's going to, you know, degenerate into
(03:47):
dirt and dust in the biblical sense, you can make
that process happen in about sixty days if you bury
the body in a special chamber. Companies offer this, cover
it with vegetation, straw, that sort of thing, and it
will become compost and then people take those remains the
(04:08):
dirt and use it to grow a tree or something
of value to the person who died and the loved
ones who remain. I'm not against it. I think it's safe,
it's not polluting. It probably saves us a lot of
space on graveyards. And not to be too morbid about it,
(04:28):
but you know, even if you're buried in a coffin
or some other burial mechanism, when you are going to
fall apart in there, it's not like this is doing
anything that doesn't happen eventually to us. All cremation well,
if you prefer that, but obviously you're turned into ashes.
(04:49):
So I don't know. It seems to me it's a
legitimate option for those who want it.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, you kind of talk me into it when you
were giving the explanation, because I wouldn't do it. But
if somebody wants to remember a loved one with a
tree or a garden and this helps them, then why not.
They're not hurting anybody.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yep, and you know where. But I'm going to make
a prediction you know where else this is going to go. Pets.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
You know, their dog, their cat. Do this grow the bush,
grow the tree, grow whatever. It will be kind of
a living memorial. So I think you're going to see
it expit not greatly. You know a lot of people
are taking I don't know about that, and I don't
know what the cost is any the truth, but I
do think we should make it legal. It's not hurting anyone,
(05:40):
doesn't pollute.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, but we should have a say in it.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
You should be able to say, hey, listen, I don't
want to be a tree.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Oh yeah, sure, absolutely. You get to pick. You get
to pick. You get to pick, even for your dog
might have been opposed.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Hey listen, I do want to talk to you at
a future date about this next story about AI and
the dangers of AI, not only when you go to
it for medical advice, but when you go to talk.
Because we had a teenager die when they were contemplating suicide.
But I think we're going to need more time for
that conversation. So is it okay, doctor Caplin, we'll talk
(06:15):
about it next time. Very good, doctor Arthur Caplan, Professor
of bioethics at New York University Land Gone Medical Center.
This has been a podcast from wor
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