Hank has worked on an estimated 700 political campaigns on 4 continents, in 14 foreign nations and 44 American states over the last 35 years. His political clients have included President Bill Clinton, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, Leonel Fernandez, former President of the Dominican Republic, and former President of Mexico Vicente Fox. He has been a CNN and Newsmax contributor, and appears on ABC News' Up Close w/Bill Ritter and The Countdown weekly programs. Sheinkopf has been the subject of profiles in the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, New York Daily News and New York Observer. Dr. Sheinkopf has been cited in at least 30 books written about international and domestic politics.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is a podcast from wor Now the wr Saturday
Morning Show.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Here's Larry Minty.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hello, and welcome to Saturday Morning. On this week's show,
former New York Governor and current candidate for mayor of
New York City Andrew Cuomo says he's not just running
as a Democrat. He's going to run as an independent
as well. Let's talk with Hank Shinkoff about Andrew Cuomo
running for mayor as an independent.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hank, thanks for being here this morning. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I'm grateful to be with you. Hope all's well.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
So what is Andrew Cuomo doing?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'm the smart move. Getting an independent line is way
of hedging against people whom Mike who don't want to
vote for him as a Democrat should he win that
primary of June twenty fourth, and then we'll talk about
the fall. Now he's going to have Curse Lee on
the Republican line, Eric Adams running on two lines. I
think Brad Lander won't be there likely, but Mondamie will be.
(00:59):
So it's a way for him to find a place
where people who don't like Republicans or Democrats, or we
don't like democrats certainly would feel comfortable voting for him.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Does this change the race in any way in your mind?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Nah? Not really. I mean Andrew Cromo looks to the
looks like he's going to win the Democrat Parmy and
the fall. Maybe who knows. It depends how much money
Adams has or doesn't have, and depends on what the
city feels at the particular time. I mean all politics.
When people try to predict that, they often forget that
two minutes in politics is twenty five years and anything else,
(01:31):
so anything can happen here.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Well, it's interesting to hear you say that now, because
the last couple of times we've had you on you
had a stronger feeling that you thought this was Mayor Adams,
even though he was lower in the polls.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Does that change?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I think it's about money today. There's historian the Daily
News that notes that big story, you know, that says
that Adams was denied four million dollars by the campaign
finance sport, which I find most fascinating. He wasn't convicted
of a crime, but they've decided that something untoward went on,
which is none of their business, frankly, and I think
(02:05):
it's not fair to him at all, and who are
they to make that decision. They're not a court there.
It's just supposed to be watching what happens and funding
of campaigns on anything else. So not there. He won't
have four million dollars. He's gonna have to raise the money.
If he has an independent committee for example, that an
independ expendster operation, they can do. I would guess five
to six million dollars. He's in the game. He can
(02:28):
he can do very interesting things. But you know, money
makes the world go around, and it makes politics go around.
If he doesn't have any cash's there a real problem.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense. You did
have a strong theory though, and now we're going to
have well one duplicate, but you're going to have four
strong personalities and people that can pull some votes running
against each other for mayor after the primary season is over.
And your theory in the past has always been the
(02:57):
black voters will come home to rest and they'll go
for mayor Adams. You don't think that's enough now if
he doesn't have the money.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And money is going to be the define defining argument.
I mean, look, Zohan Mandami will have whatever he needs.
They'll come in from all over the country from sources
we haven't thought about. I mean, this is the do
or die moment for the anti Israel and the left wing,
the left wing Democratic Social America gang around the country.
The effect that we're taking over Philadelphia is the second
(03:26):
party that they they've removed the Republicans from real power
in the city of Philadelphia as an example of what
the DSA slash Working Families Party people have done. So
this is ground zero. He'll have whatever he needs from
whatever sources they can come in from. So I'm not
worried about that for him and flee what well, he'll
have a share and I don't think you know, in
(03:47):
a mashup you can even count him out. We don't
know what's going to happen before well, we do know
that Eric Adams needs to get money, and if he
doesn't have money, it's going to be very difficult for
him to compete.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
You know, it's amazing. I'm glad you brought that out
about Mamdanni.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Because it's amazing what type of infrastructure he has. We
talked to a citizen reporter who who goes out and
does interviews. He does a great job, and he was
out and saw Mamdani at one of the Tesla protests
and he went over to talk to him, and he said,
you would not believe the number of people, and they
all had different color vest on that surrounded him. He
(04:24):
had pressed people talking to him, talking to mom Donni
in his ear. You had some really big guy come
up who was security. It does seem like it's more
than just the money. He has this infrastructure of people
that are around him, that are supporting him all the time.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
This is a real campaign to take over a real
city and to turn it into what the left and
the extreme left believe that city ought to be. They've
had some success with Cerro's funded money and district attorney's
races around the country, which the public is generally rejected
(05:02):
on the second time around, or even recalled the people.
This is the most serious threat to New York City's
functioning since we're going to win. This is an organized
national effort of people with two agendas break up the
cops and destroy the state of Israel. And anybody who
thinks otherwise is deluding themselves. This is a guy with
no experience. He's been around politics for let's see, he
ran a campaign on the lost. He's been in the
(05:23):
state center for what three terms? Excuse me, the state
of somebody for three terms has passed no significant legislation.
They would have turn in a night of our lives.
How dangerous he is is something that people need to
understand and unless they reject him in even if they do,
he'll be back, and the DSA will be back, and
they'll raise money all over the country the people around them,
(05:43):
and this has been a well fought through effort. And parenthetically,
I'm the idiot that said six or seven months ago
in the papers that Mondamie would be the one to
watch and that people really should pay much more close attention.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Well, though, you were right, they should pay close attention
to him, because it's frightening for all the reasons you said.
Let's talk about the governor's race for one second. Does
at least Stephonic clear the field in the Republican sign.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I think that she does not, and I think that
the Republicans will probably try to get her to stay
in her seat, and they'll probably my bet, they're smart
to have Bruce Blakeman because Blakeman does not bring the
taint of the Trump years in the same way that
Stephanic does. Blakeman wins NASA on Stuffolk County walking away,
(06:30):
and he can probably get his thirty percent of New
York City to make him a very competitive at least
Stephonic can't do that in New York City. And without
that those numbers in New York City, it is hard
to think howie Republican can be be elected governor. I
think Blakeman is a real shot if he runs. Why
because Kathy Hockle's numbers are terrible and pulling, but she
is not one to be counted out either. She's tough
(06:52):
as nails, very smart, will raise extraordinary amounts of money,
and she's one tough cookie.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Mistakes always fascinating.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
I love talking to you, Hank shankof longtime Democratic consultant
and political consultant.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Hank, thanks so much for your time this morning.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Thank you having me on. I'm grateful. All the best.
This has been a podcast from WR
This is a podcast from wor Now the wr Saturday
Morning Show.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Here's Larry Minty.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hello, and welcome to Saturday Morning. On this week's show,
former New York Governor and current candidate for mayor of
New York City Andrew Cuomo says he's not just running
as a Democrat. He's going to run as an independent
as well. Let's talk with Hank Shinkoff about Andrew Cuomo
running for mayor as an independent.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hank, thanks for being here this morning. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I'm grateful to be with you. Hope all's well.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
So what is Andrew Cuomo doing?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'm the smart move. Getting an independent line is way
of hedging against people whom Mike who don't want to
vote for him as a Democrat should he win that
primary of June twenty fourth, and then we'll talk about
the fall. Now he's going to have Curse Lee on
the Republican line, Eric Adams running on two lines. I
think Brad Lander won't be there likely, but Mondamie will be.
(00:59):
So it's a way for him to find a place
where people who don't like Republicans or Democrats, or we
don't like democrats certainly would feel comfortable voting for him.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Does this change the race in any way in your mind?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Nah? Not really. I mean Andrew Cromo looks to the
looks like he's going to win the Democrat Parmy and
the fall. Maybe who knows. It depends how much money
Adams has or doesn't have, and depends on what the
city feels at the particular time. I mean all politics.
When people try to predict that, they often forget that
two minutes in politics is twenty five years and anything else,
(01:31):
so anything can happen here.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Well, it's interesting to hear you say that now, because
the last couple of times we've had you on you
had a stronger feeling that you thought this was Mayor Adams,
even though he was lower in the polls.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Does that change?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I think it's about money today. There's historian the Daily
News that notes that big story, you know, that says
that Adams was denied four million dollars by the campaign
finance sport, which I find most fascinating. He wasn't convicted
of a crime, but they've decided that something untoward went on,
which is none of their business, frankly, and I think
(02:05):
it's not fair to him at all, and who are
they to make that decision. They're not a court there.
It's just supposed to be watching what happens and funding
of campaigns on anything else. So not there. He won't
have four million dollars. He's gonna have to raise the money.
If he has an independent committee for example, that an
independ expendster operation, they can do. I would guess five
to six million dollars. He's in the game. He can
(02:28):
he can do very interesting things. But you know, money
makes the world go around, and it makes politics go around.
If he doesn't have any cash's there a real problem.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense. You did
have a strong theory though, and now we're going to
have well one duplicate, but you're going to have four
strong personalities and people that can pull some votes running
against each other for mayor after the primary season is over.
And your theory in the past has always been the
(02:57):
black voters will come home to rest and they'll go
for mayor Adams. You don't think that's enough now if
he doesn't have the money.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
And money is going to be the define defining argument.
I mean, look, Zohan Mandami will have whatever he needs.
They'll come in from all over the country from sources
we haven't thought about. I mean, this is the do
or die moment for the anti Israel and the left wing,
the left wing Democratic Social America gang around the country.
The effect that we're taking over Philadelphia is the second
(03:26):
party that they they've removed the Republicans from real power
in the city of Philadelphia as an example of what
the DSA slash Working Families Party people have done. So
this is ground zero. He'll have whatever he needs from
whatever sources they can come in from. So I'm not
worried about that for him and flee what well, he'll
have a share and I don't think you know, in
(03:47):
a mashup you can even count him out. We don't
know what's going to happen before well, we do know
that Eric Adams needs to get money, and if he
doesn't have money, it's going to be very difficult for
him to compete.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
You know, it's amazing. I'm glad you brought that out
about Mamdanni.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Because it's amazing what type of infrastructure he has. We
talked to a citizen reporter who who goes out and
does interviews. He does a great job, and he was
out and saw Mamdani at one of the Tesla protests
and he went over to talk to him, and he said,
you would not believe the number of people, and they
all had different color vest on that surrounded him. He
(04:24):
had pressed people talking to him, talking to mom Donni
in his ear. You had some really big guy come
up who was security. It does seem like it's more
than just the money. He has this infrastructure of people
that are around him, that are supporting him all the time.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
This is a real campaign to take over a real
city and to turn it into what the left and
the extreme left believe that city ought to be. They've
had some success with Cerro's funded money and district attorney's
races around the country, which the public is generally rejected
(05:02):
on the second time around, or even recalled the people.
This is the most serious threat to New York City's
functioning since we're going to win. This is an organized
national effort of people with two agendas break up the
cops and destroy the state of Israel. And anybody who
thinks otherwise is deluding themselves. This is a guy with
no experience. He's been around politics for let's see, he
ran a campaign on the lost. He's been in the
(05:23):
state center for what three terms? Excuse me, the state
of somebody for three terms has passed no significant legislation.
They would have turn in a night of our lives.
How dangerous he is is something that people need to
understand and unless they reject him in even if they do,
he'll be back, and the DSA will be back, and
they'll raise money all over the country the people around them,
(05:43):
and this has been a well fought through effort. And parenthetically,
I'm the idiot that said six or seven months ago
in the papers that Mondamie would be the one to
watch and that people really should pay much more close attention.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Well, though, you were right, they should pay close attention
to him, because it's frightening for all the reasons you said.
Let's talk about the governor's race for one second. Does
at least Stephonic clear the field in the Republican sign.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I think that she does not, and I think that
the Republicans will probably try to get her to stay
in her seat, and they'll probably my bet, they're smart
to have Bruce Blakeman because Blakeman does not bring the
taint of the Trump years in the same way that
Stephanic does. Blakeman wins NASA on Stuffolk County walking away,
(06:30):
and he can probably get his thirty percent of New
York City to make him a very competitive at least
Stephonic can't do that in New York City. And without
that those numbers in New York City, it is hard
to think howie Republican can be be elected governor. I
think Blakeman is a real shot if he runs. Why
because Kathy Hockle's numbers are terrible and pulling, but she
is not one to be counted out either. She's tough
(06:52):
as nails, very smart, will raise extraordinary amounts of money,
and she's one tough cookie.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Mistakes always fascinating.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
I love talking to you, Hank shankof longtime Democratic consultant
and political consultant.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Hank, thanks so much for your time this morning.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Thank you having me on. I'm grateful. All the best.
This has been a podcast from WR
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