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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is a podcast from WR now the WR Saturday
Morning Show. Here's Larry Minty.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Good morning, and welcome to Saturday Morning. On this week's show,
a New York City Democratic city councilman wants to change
New York City's sanctuary city law to aid the Trump
administration in deportations. A Democrat. You'll hear from Councilman Robert Holden.
And since Trump cases are getting thrown out, what about
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the Attorney General Letitia James case against Donald Trump where
he has to pay almost a half a billion dollars
for overvaluing his properties. Associate editor Aery Hoffman of The
New York Sun tells us why that case may get
thrown out too. And wr's Movie Minted host Joe Neumeyer
(00:53):
talks about the Battle of the Blockbusters at the movie
theaters this weekend. But first the week that was on Monday,
we get a new police Commissioner.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
The mission is to keep you safe, to make you
feel safe, and to improve your quality of life. To
restore dignity and order to every street, every neighborhood, every
borough in the City of New York.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
NYPD veteran Jessica Tish and she's also the former Sanitation Commissioner,
comes with a high recommendation from former Commissioner Bill Bretton.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
She's so well prepared for this job. She knows the
city Council, she knows the state legislation, gets along well
with both of them, which is critical into an understanding
of the department. And right out the gate, the Union
is saying good things about her, which is oftentimes not
the case.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
After Donald Trump's pick for Attorney General, Matt Gads had
to withdraw his nominations, the Democrats started going after the
nominee for National Security Advisor, Tulsey Gabbert, with the unfounded
claim that she's a Russian asset. I applaud New York
City Congressman Hakeem Jeffries for not taking part in that lie. Pleeeder, Jeffries,
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You're not willing to say she's a Russian asset.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
No, that's not how I would characterize her at that
this particular juncture. But I'm open to scrutinizing whatever information
is presented to all of us. But this is going
to fall on Senate Democrats and Senate Republican.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Special Prosecutor Jack Smith was forced to drop the January
sixth case against Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
It made this election the largest effective jury verdict in history.
By re electing Donald Trump, the Special Council found himself
at odds with his own department's longstanding policy against the
prosecution of a sitting president.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
That was legal analyst Jonathan Turley and the new Borders
Are Tom Homan did something the former Borders Are never
wanted to do. Actually went to the border and delivered
a message to the agents who were waiting for the
day they could get back to doing their jobs.
Speaker 7 (03:09):
Let me be clear, there is going to be a
mass deportation because we just finished a mass illegal immigration
crisis on the border.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
The agents gave him a standing ovation and wonderful news
out of the Middle East, a sixty day ceasefire is
announced between Israel and Hesbelah after months of rocket volleys
and over four thousand dead.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
You just spoke with the Prime Minister of Israel and Lebanon.
I'm pleased to announce that their governments have accepted the
United States proposal and the devastating conflict between Israel and Hesblah.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Biden says he hopes to make the ceasefire permanent, and
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin net Yahoo says this gives Israel
time to focus on Iran, which sounds ominous. And then,
of course Thanksgiving my favorite holiday. No cards, no presents,
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no pressure, just family, friends and good food. Here's hoping
you had a wonderful Thanksgiving. Coming up next to Democratic
City councilman has had enough. He's all in for Ice
coming into New York City and taking away criminals and
potential terrorists, and he wants to help. Councilman Robert Holden
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is next.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Here again is Larry Menti with the WR Saturday Morning Show.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Welcome back. Democratic City Council President Adrian Adams won't even
consider amending the city's sanctuary city law so that the
Trump administration can round up criminals and terrorists who are
here illegally. But at least one Democratic Council member disagrees
with her, Councilman Robert Holden. He is chair of the
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Committee on Veterans, and he's co chair of the Common
Sense Caucus. What a perfect name for this. Welcome Robert Holwood,
and God bless you for seeing that the city has
to at least amend these sanctuary city laws.
Speaker 8 (05:16):
Well, thank you for that leading. It's you know, an
honor to be on. This is my first time on
your show.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Oh well, please come back again. I really appreciate what
you're doing. Are there enough of you to actually impact
the sanctuary city laws.
Speaker 8 (05:33):
Well, there's enough voters out there, and that's what we
have to start with. No, there's only nine of us
on the city council out of fifty one, and the
rest are You know, there's some people, some Democrats that
agree with me. They'll come up to me and they'll
say to my colleagues and the council, they'll say, you
know what, I agree with you, but I can't say
I can't you know, I can't say that publicly. And
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that's a shame when you have elected officials, mostly Democrats,
who don't represent the compair constituents because nobody how many
people out there want criminal illegal aliens running around our
streets and how many people want NYPD to communicate with ICE.
So when they arrest someone and they see this guy
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has a record of seventeen eighteen arrests and he's been
in the country only six months, and still we shield
them from ICE, Immigration and Customs enforcement, we shield them,
we hide them. And again that's you know, I loved
what Tom Homan the new borders are in the Trump administration.
When he takes over, he's going to actually kick butt
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because he came out last week on National TV and said,
you know what, we have laws now, federal laws that
actually it's a felony when someone hides or shields an
illegal alien who actually committed a crime. And that's what
New York City's doing. In New York statey is doing,
by the way, So I would love for the FED
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to go after our leaders. That means the governor and
the mayor if they're shielding aliens who have you know,
actually detainers on them from ICE saying we want you
to hold this guy or turn them over to US
and n YPD and New York City's denying it.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, we had Tom Homan on the air last week
and he said that same thing. I'm really fascinated with
something you just said a moment ago, that there are
many Democrats in the city Council who agree with you
but can't say it publicly. Is it because they fear
political fallout? Is that the reason?
Speaker 8 (07:38):
Yeah, you have to look at the structure. It's a
one party town. Unfortunately, I want a two I want
two very strong parties in your city and state. Everyone,
I think, should we want a health, healthy competition when
we don't have that? When the Democrats, and I'm a Democrat,
when they control everything and they only have to go
through a primary of a few thousand voters, they work
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with special interests. That means they just cater to special interests,
and usually it's on the far left. So as a result,
they they might be moderates, but they can't say that
because they won't get re elected. But they have to
be honest with their constituents, and that's unfortunate. Unfortunately, it's
not really the norm in New York City, certainly not
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in the New York City Council. But I can't tell you, Larry,
how many my fellow Democrats come up to me and say,
you know, I agree with you, when I can't say
it because you know how things are. But that's why
we need two very strong parties in New York City.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
At least, no, I absolutely agree with you. You know,
I said, we had Tom at Holm last week and
he did talk about that if you harbor an illegal immigrant,
you are committing a felony. But in a way, then
the whole sanctuary city policy would be felonious, would it not.
Speaker 8 (08:59):
Yes. And that's that's why I and many many in
the common Sense call because we're going to issue another letter.
We've written to the governor and the mayor warning them
and even the speaker of the city Council, warning them
that this statute exists, federal statute exists, and that if
you conceal illegal aliens and harbor them, uh, you're you are,
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you know, susceptible to a felony. And that's what we're
writing to the Trumpet administration when they take office. And
the first letter we're going to you know, fire you know,
fire out, is let's end sanctuary cities because it actually
the city that has the most at stake is New
York City. We were attacked on nine to eleven. Why
are we shielding not only illegal aliens but possible terrorists?
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And we know terrorists are in this country. We know
they got through the southern border, and they got through
other borders, and we know there's many of them here
because we've uncovered plots. So why are we putting ourselves
in harm's way?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yes, something else Tom Holman asked for that seems to
make just common Sense, which is the name of your caucus,
that is, he said, just do us this one favor.
Allow us to go into Rikers Island and pick up
some of the criminal illegals there where there'd be no fuss,
no mess. They're already handcuffed. You just hand them over
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to us, which the sanctuary city law doesn't allow. And
he says, if you don't do that, we have to
pick them up on the streets where there could be gunfire,
could be a mess, people could get hurt. And I
talked to Tom Borelli. He brought that up to Speaker
Adams and she said, no, no, don't even bring it
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up there.
Speaker 8 (10:41):
Yeah, Joe Burrelly has he's a co chair of the
Common Sense Caucus. Did we all spoke to or at
least brought it up with the Speaker's office, Adrian Adams
And they refused, They refuse to even advance our bill.
We have a bill to amend the sanctuary city laws
what you just mentioned, allow ice into our jails, into
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our courts. You know now that ice has to stand
outside the courts, you know, in public property, on the
sidewalk and hopefully catch the guy that just came out
of the court and sometimes they take him out the
back just to avoid ICE. This is what's going on
in New York City. No citizen of New York City
or state should want this. And I think, I think
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if you polled the public, you find ninety seven percent
of the people would agree with our stance and the
Common Sense Caucus. Let's arrest illegal aliens who are of
committed crimes and let's you know, deport them immediately right now.
Under the laws of you know, sanctuary city laws in
New York City, they have to be convicted of a
felony before they'll be deported or at least turned over
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to ICE. And even then they don't honor any detainer
from ICE in New York City. So there have been
hundreds of last year that not one was honored by
again NYPD or New York City.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, and Councilman Holden, you're talking about those that have
committed crimes. There's also people on the terror watch list.
You saw that little girl at the border. There are
also children that have gone missing that they want to
find because they're afraid that they might get picked up
by the cartels and use for human trafficking. The stories
go on and on and on. It makes no sense
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not to allow them to do their job to find
those people. And as I said in the beginning, God
bless you for fighting the good fight. I hope more
join you because this doesn't make any sense. And thank
you so much for joining us today. Queen's Democratic City
Councilman Robert Holden still to come, the battle of the
Blockbusters at the movies, and another Trump case may get overturned.
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When is the appellate court going to throw out the
Donald Trump real estate judgment? It sure does seem like
it's heading that way. Ary Hoffman from the New York
Sun is just ahead.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Now more of a wr Saturday Morning show and Larry
Minty welcome back.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
It was a stunning case against Donald Trump that got
a lot of national coverage. New York Attorney General Letitia
James sued Trump for getting loans after overvaluing his properties.
She won a settlement against Trump for almost a half
a billion dollars. Now it seems like the appellate court
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may overturn it, and that's getting no coverage except in
The New York Sun. Here's associate editor Ery Hoffman, so
tell us what's going on. I would think there was
going to be some kind of ruling by now. They
said a month. It's been much longer than that.
Speaker 9 (13:49):
It's been much longer than that. And just as a reminder,
as you mentioned, Justice anger On handed down this four
hundred and fifty million mega fraud verdict against Trump, against
his company and against two of his children, as close
to it kind of death penalty as you can get
in a civil in a civil case, as you mentioned, Larry,
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that Trump appealed that. Next thing we know, we're in
We're in the New York Court of Appeals and the
reviews are scathings of Judge Angerun's judgment. And I think
what happened was people, you know, were so blown away
but by that initial decision that they sort of took
it as a done deal. But that's not how it works,
right in any system, criminal or civil, you have to
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work your way up up through the appeal circuit. And
there's actually news on this front just breaking last night,
and that is that one of Trump's attorneys, John Sower,
also his nominee to be Solicitor General of the United States,
that's the government's top lawyer before the Supreme Court, wrote
a letter to Letitia James asking her to drop the
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case for quote, the greater good of the country. The
letters of goes through a couple of points that were
raised by those very same Appella judges. He said, nobody
was really harmed here, all the kind of business interlocutors
of Trump's were satisfied with their transactions, and that this
case never should have been brought and this verdict never
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should have been handed down from Judge anger On. So
the leather kind of I think, is an effort to
increase the pressure on Tiss James, increase the pressure on
the Court of Appeals to drop this case. And I
think you can't understand it without also understanding the backdrop
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of the criminal cases against President Trump, which have one
by one fallen by the wayside this week, especially the
federal ones. So Trump is feeling good. He's feeling good legally,
he's feeling good politically. And you know, whether Tiss James
dropped this case or not, that seems unlikely given her
own rhetoric about continuing to fight, continuing to confront Trump.
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I think he also has to feel good in terms
of the fate of this case before the Court of Appeals.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, ery, take us back though, because I was really stunned,
as you said, they were kind of picking apart the case.
I think one of the judges at one point even said,
have you ever brought a case where the public wasn't harmed,
the alleged victims weren't harmed, and all of the money
was paid back with interest on time. And he was saying, so,
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why would you ever bring this case in the first place.
And I didn't think that they had a really good
answer for that, which is why they talked about sanctions
at the time. But just so people know, go through
exactly what they were talking about, and especially the sanctions
that they talked about.
Speaker 9 (16:53):
Sure, and so you know. The lines of critique from
the Court of Appeals, I'd say can be divided into
two main arguments. One is in one of the judges
mentioned this quote immense financial penalty. Right in law, the
penalty has to be proportionate to the crime or to
the underlying violation in a civil case, and I think
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some of these judges looked at this, they said, four
hundred and fifty million dollars plus interest plus all these
punitive penalties. In terms of how Trump can run his
business having an independent chaperon right there in the middle,
kind of superintending things. And so I think there was
a sense of, well, wait a second, this is just
so enormous and maybe disproportionate. Second was exactly as you said.
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I mean, usually in a fraud case, you have a victim,
right that someone was a company or an individual did
wrong by someone else, that someone suffered loss, and it
goes to the courts to redress that loss. And that's
kind of a fundamental situation that courts are meant to address.
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This is a strange one, Larry, because there was no loss.
As you mentioned, Trump's creditors did not bring this case.
This was brought by the government. Now, sometimes it's true
that fraud doesn't require someone to have lost money that
you can prove fraud. If you just intended to be dishonest,
that can be fraud.
Speaker 10 (18:25):
But that's a much.
Speaker 9 (18:26):
Weaker kind of claim, right, right, And and the and
the burden for that is is higher. And then you know, so,
so judges, I think we're kind of looking askance a
little bit at will. Wait a second, we don't have
a real plaintiff here in the conventional sense of the term.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Hey, I'm just going to warn you. We have about
thirty seconds left, and.
Speaker 9 (18:44):
So you know, my my prediction is this verdict is
going to get cut. I think just Change will keep
fighting as she has her eye on the on the
Mayor's mansion.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, I agree too. I hope there's sanctioning sanctions against
the prosecutors. And at one point one of the judges
even talked about electioneering and election interference, and I agree
with him. Arry Hoffman, everybody should read your stuff in
the New York Sun. He is the associator of the
New York Sun. We'll talk again soon. Thanks for being here.
Speaker 9 (19:13):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Still to come. Wor's Movie Minute host on the new
movie releases this weekend. That's next.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Here's Larry Minty with more of the wr Saturday Morning Show.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
It's a big weekend at the box office. Even though
only one new movie is being released, it's still the
battle of the blockbusters. Wr's Movie Minted host Joe Numeyer explains, Joe,
when I was out in the Hollywood, I got to
cover it for a a split second, for a fast minute,
and it was always Thanksgiving weekend when the blockbusters were
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let out made it to the theaters. It seems I know,
you have one to talk about, but or expected blockbuster,
but it seems like they did it the week before.
Is that something new they did.
Speaker 10 (20:03):
I think it is, and I think it's something that
they want to get a jump on. Obviously they want
to make sure they get all the weekend that they can.
I also think this is sort of part of the
result of the writer's strike last year, which kind of
affected all the movies that are coming down the pike.
There was sort of a little less this year. You
can see it reflected a little bit in the box office,
and I think there's also that sense of, you know,
they don't want to there's obviously last weekend we saw
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Wicked and Gladiator two open on the same weekend. There's
not a lot of that anymore. I think everybody wants
to sort of make sure they get their own weekend.
So this Thanksgiving weekend they're just doing Milana too for families.
I don't know I would have opened up something else
just to make it. But I also think there's there's
also some you know, it's all there's there's all this
sort of you know, crazy logic that they go into
and they sort of figure, well, all the people who
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didn't see Wicked or Gladiator two last weekend will go
this weekend. And there's there's some smarts to that, I guess.
But this weekend what we have is Mlana Too was
sequel to the twenty sixteen Disney film. I wasn't that
crazy about it. I I you know, I just want to,
you know, put this out there that obviously families will
probably enjoy it and they're gonna want to see something.
They're gonna maybe want to have an island vacation, right,
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so this is sort of the next best thing. Uh,
You're sort of cruising around on the oceans in this
In this film, it's the same basic story. There's the
young Polynesian girl who is sort of becomes a wayfinder
and a leader for her people. And she and the
demi god Maui, whose voice again by the rock Dwayne Johnson. Uh,
they've got to find like an island that they feel
like has got another you know, tribe on it they
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don't know about. It's a little confusing. This is my
problem with it is that you know, I really you know,
the Pixar movies are great like this, but they but
the some some animated movies, they don't make it clear enough.
The mission isn't clear. There's a lot of running around
and here there's a lot of chasing on the water
and under the water, and and so for that reason,
I'm giving it two stars. But again, you know, sort
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of your mileage may vary. If you've got young kids
who are running around the house and you want to
get them to the to the theater where they can
run around there and kind of scream a little bit,
then Mulanao's probably a nice a nice option for it.
I just thought it was not as it's not as
fun as the last movie. The last we had some
good music. This one the music's a little it's a
little weak, you know. The last one had that that
great song You're Welcome that that was sort of a
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hit at you know, eight years ago kind of thing.
So Mlanitu two stars. But if you've got a family,
you kind of want to go out and kind of
you know, get something somewhere else except for the living room,
so you can get away from the turkey, and the
leftovers might be okay for the family.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
And that's the whole reason to do it. Believe me,
I've I got four kids, I've had kids that age
that you want to just get out and so you
can eat something and they'll be quiet even And by
the way, you know, I know for a fact you're
not a six year old girl, and that's the target audience.
They're gonna love that, right, They're gonna.
Speaker 10 (22:45):
Love that exactly right. They are gonna love it. In fact,
I think a little older probably won't. I think, you know,
I can't imagine a tween at eleven, twelve, thirteen year
old really liking I think the really young kids are
going to kind of go for it. They even make
a joke in the movie where it's like she's not
a is me princess, but a lot of people think
she is because she's obviously in that in that world.
Milana is so right. It's those really young kids than
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young girls who are good and good for them, they
need a hero. This is sort of the kind of
thing that they can that they can appreciate. But I
think right that if you've got young daughters, especially, it'll
be it'll be a great time at the movies. You
won't walk out humming any of the tunes, but you'll
have killed two hours. So you know, that's that's always something.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
And they have the theaters to themselves. I mean, I
know Wicked and Gladiator are still going to do well,
but that Milana is being released on its own. Is
there anything else at all?
Speaker 10 (23:31):
Nothing else at all? You know, here's the interesting thing, right,
so Wicked last weekend, Wicked, you know, became the biggest
Broadway that to big screen adaptation ever and it's the
biggest musical opening of all the time. The previous one
was laying this rob back like in twenty twelve. So
this is the biggest Broadway to to uh cinema adaptation.
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And Gladiator two made a little bit less than people
were expecting. Gladiator made about fifty five million, Wicked made
about one hundred and fifteen million, but Gladia two still
made more than the previous film even adjusting for inflation.
The original Gladiator made about thirty five million. So those
two movies really kind of help boost the box office.
It hasn't been a big year for big movies. Inside
Out two and Deadpool and Wolverine. You know, we're the
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biggest money makers, and then these two come along and
kind of help the box office a little bit. I
think that kind of stuff is gonna You're gonna see.
Even though Wana two will be a hit, the original
Malana isn't even in the top ten animated films of
all time in terms of box office, So it will
be interesting that to see if Wicked holds on, which
I think it will. Wicked will hold on, and Gladiator
two will probably hold on as well. I think Malana
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two may come into two or three. You'll be big.
But I think they're kind of expecting those two movies
to kind of carry off into the Thanksgiving weekend and
the holiday weekend for sure.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
You know, Joe, I was just thinking, and I can't
come up with one. I was trying to figure out
a really good Thanksgiving movie that celebrates the holiday. Do
you have one?
Speaker 10 (24:53):
Well, Planes, trains and normobiles, good question. Good Planes and planes,
trains and automobiles is sort of the one that I
always think of. Great, Oh my gosh, Steve martin the
late John Candy.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
And you cry in it too. You laugh and you cry, you.
Speaker 10 (25:06):
Laugh and you cry, and that's you know. I love
Steve Martinett. But that is really a credit to John
Candy because he really pulls off that character in a
really interesting way. He's annoying, but he also you grow
affectionate towards him and you really feel for him, and
so at the end, I'm not gonna ruin anything. For
anybody who hasn't seen, it's not all the time I.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Think, yeah in the movie, yeah, they're not pillows, those
arn pillows.
Speaker 10 (25:33):
I also when they're driving, they're driving on the wrong
side of the road and he looks over and he
sees John Candy like the devil. He's like, ah, the yard.
There's a few others, you know. I like Scentible Woman
is really good. Cent of a woman people forget is
a Thanksgiving movie that the movie was Oscar.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, that's one of my favorite movies, but one of
my favorite movies ever.
Speaker 10 (25:56):
Yep, yep. And then of course Mirrors one thirty fourth three.
This is the thing I always think of Thanksgiving movies
is sort of the ramp up to Christmas movies, and
there's more of those, but you sort of have to
kind of get into the Christmas spirit a little bit
with your Thanksgiving movie, and the original Miracle on thirty
fourth Street really obviously does that, which is great. The
remakes okay too, from the nineties, but the original one
is great with young Natalie Wood. That's really fun. There's
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even and even there's even little scenes. There's a scene
in Hanna and her Sisters that a couple of them
take place at at Thanksgiving. Power heist this Ben Stiller
movie that's kind of not bad from the from about
fifteen years ago. They have have a scam going on
or they have to rob a guy during the Thanksgiving praise.
You've Got Males, got a fun scene like that, and
then the one I always could. I always want to
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contribute with the things Rocky has got. The big scene
in Rocky where he meets he really meets Adrian for
the first time because she comes to the Petzro that
all takes place at Thanksgiving. I remember Paulie takes a
thirty throws it out the door.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
You are amazing. You are just You're an encyclopedia that
you can remember every single one of those. I call
me impressed. Hey be before we go, I do. We
don't have a lot of time left, but I do
want to pay tribute to Jim Abrams, because you know
he he wrote and uh and directed Naked Gun and
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Hot Shots Airplane. Yeah, I mean I was gonna say
that to last but they they were just fun movies.
We don't have anything like that anymore, you know, just
really we sure don't.
Speaker 10 (27:25):
I wish we did Airplane itself. You always it's always
makes me laugh anytime it's on cable. Top Secret dales
to the Naked Gun movies. And and you know Police Squad,
which was the original sort of six episode TV show
that that launched the Naked Gun hot Shots, which is
really funny too. It's kind of a spoof of Airplane,
I mean a spoof of Top Gun, right, Him and
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him and David Zooker and Jerry's they were known as
zazz That's right style of comedy.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
We gotta go, Joe, But thank you so much.
Speaker 9 (27:54):
W O R S.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Joe Neumaier. Well, that wraps up Saturday Morning for this week.
Thanks as all always for listening. Join me on Monday
morning from six to ten on the Morning Show. Have
a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
This has been a podcast from wor
This is a podcast from WR now the WR Saturday
Morning Show. Here's Larry Minty.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Good morning, and welcome to Saturday Morning. On this week's show,
a New York City Democratic city councilman wants to change
New York City's sanctuary city law to aid the Trump
administration in deportations. A Democrat. You'll hear from Councilman Robert Holden.
And since Trump cases are getting thrown out, what about
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the Attorney General Letitia James case against Donald Trump where
he has to pay almost a half a billion dollars
for overvaluing his properties. Associate editor Aery Hoffman of The
New York Sun tells us why that case may get
thrown out too. And wr's Movie Minted host Joe Neumeyer
(00:53):
talks about the Battle of the Blockbusters at the movie
theaters this weekend. But first the week that was on Monday,
we get a new police Commissioner.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
The mission is to keep you safe, to make you
feel safe, and to improve your quality of life. To
restore dignity and order to every street, every neighborhood, every
borough in the City of New York.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
NYPD veteran Jessica Tish and she's also the former Sanitation Commissioner,
comes with a high recommendation from former Commissioner Bill Bretton.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
She's so well prepared for this job. She knows the
city Council, she knows the state legislation, gets along well
with both of them, which is critical into an understanding
of the department. And right out the gate, the Union
is saying good things about her, which is oftentimes not
the case.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
After Donald Trump's pick for Attorney General, Matt Gads had
to withdraw his nominations, the Democrats started going after the
nominee for National Security Advisor, Tulsey Gabbert, with the unfounded
claim that she's a Russian asset. I applaud New York
City Congressman Hakeem Jeffries for not taking part in that lie. Pleeeder, Jeffries,
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You're not willing to say she's a Russian asset.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
No, that's not how I would characterize her at that
this particular juncture. But I'm open to scrutinizing whatever information
is presented to all of us. But this is going
to fall on Senate Democrats and Senate Republican.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Special Prosecutor Jack Smith was forced to drop the January
sixth case against Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
It made this election the largest effective jury verdict in history.
By re electing Donald Trump, the Special Council found himself
at odds with his own department's longstanding policy against the
prosecution of a sitting president.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
That was legal analyst Jonathan Turley and the new Borders
Are Tom Homan did something the former Borders Are never
wanted to do. Actually went to the border and delivered
a message to the agents who were waiting for the
day they could get back to doing their jobs.
Speaker 7 (03:09):
Let me be clear, there is going to be a
mass deportation because we just finished a mass illegal immigration
crisis on the border.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
The agents gave him a standing ovation and wonderful news
out of the Middle East, a sixty day ceasefire is
announced between Israel and Hesbelah after months of rocket volleys
and over four thousand dead.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
You just spoke with the Prime Minister of Israel and Lebanon.
I'm pleased to announce that their governments have accepted the
United States proposal and the devastating conflict between Israel and Hesblah.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Biden says he hopes to make the ceasefire permanent, and
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin net Yahoo says this gives Israel
time to focus on Iran, which sounds ominous. And then,
of course Thanksgiving my favorite holiday. No cards, no presents,
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no pressure, just family, friends and good food. Here's hoping
you had a wonderful Thanksgiving. Coming up next to Democratic
City councilman has had enough. He's all in for Ice
coming into New York City and taking away criminals and
potential terrorists, and he wants to help. Councilman Robert Holden
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is next.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Here again is Larry Menti with the WR Saturday Morning Show.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Welcome back. Democratic City Council President Adrian Adams won't even
consider amending the city's sanctuary city law so that the
Trump administration can round up criminals and terrorists who are
here illegally. But at least one Democratic Council member disagrees
with her, Councilman Robert Holden. He is chair of the
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Committee on Veterans, and he's co chair of the Common
Sense Caucus. What a perfect name for this. Welcome Robert Holwood,
and God bless you for seeing that the city has
to at least amend these sanctuary city laws.
Speaker 8 (05:16):
Well, thank you for that leading. It's you know, an
honor to be on. This is my first time on
your show.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Oh well, please come back again. I really appreciate what
you're doing. Are there enough of you to actually impact
the sanctuary city laws.
Speaker 8 (05:33):
Well, there's enough voters out there, and that's what we
have to start with. No, there's only nine of us
on the city council out of fifty one, and the
rest are You know, there's some people, some Democrats that
agree with me. They'll come up to me and they'll
say to my colleagues and the council, they'll say, you
know what, I agree with you, but I can't say
I can't you know, I can't say that publicly. And
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that's a shame when you have elected officials, mostly Democrats,
who don't represent the compair constituents because nobody how many
people out there want criminal illegal aliens running around our
streets and how many people want NYPD to communicate with ICE.
So when they arrest someone and they see this guy
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has a record of seventeen eighteen arrests and he's been
in the country only six months, and still we shield
them from ICE, Immigration and Customs enforcement, we shield them,
we hide them. And again that's you know, I loved
what Tom Homan the new borders are in the Trump administration.
When he takes over, he's going to actually kick butt
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because he came out last week on National TV and said,
you know what, we have laws now, federal laws that
actually it's a felony when someone hides or shields an
illegal alien who actually committed a crime. And that's what
New York City's doing. In New York statey is doing,
by the way, So I would love for the FED
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to go after our leaders. That means the governor and
the mayor if they're shielding aliens who have you know,
actually detainers on them from ICE saying we want you
to hold this guy or turn them over to US
and n YPD and New York City's denying it.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, we had Tom Homan on the air last week
and he said that same thing. I'm really fascinated with
something you just said a moment ago, that there are
many Democrats in the city Council who agree with you
but can't say it publicly. Is it because they fear
political fallout? Is that the reason?
Speaker 8 (07:38):
Yeah, you have to look at the structure. It's a
one party town. Unfortunately, I want a two I want
two very strong parties in your city and state. Everyone,
I think, should we want a health, healthy competition when
we don't have that? When the Democrats, and I'm a Democrat,
when they control everything and they only have to go
through a primary of a few thousand voters, they work
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with special interests. That means they just cater to special interests,
and usually it's on the far left. So as a result,
they they might be moderates, but they can't say that
because they won't get re elected. But they have to
be honest with their constituents, and that's unfortunate. Unfortunately, it's
not really the norm in New York City, certainly not
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in the New York City Council. But I can't tell you, Larry,
how many my fellow Democrats come up to me and say,
you know, I agree with you, when I can't say
it because you know how things are. But that's why
we need two very strong parties in New York City.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
At least, no, I absolutely agree with you. You know,
I said, we had Tom at Holm last week and
he did talk about that if you harbor an illegal immigrant,
you are committing a felony. But in a way, then
the whole sanctuary city policy would be felonious, would it not.
Speaker 8 (08:59):
Yes. And that's that's why I and many many in
the common Sense call because we're going to issue another letter.
We've written to the governor and the mayor warning them
and even the speaker of the city Council, warning them
that this statute exists, federal statute exists, and that if
you conceal illegal aliens and harbor them, uh, you're you are,
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you know, susceptible to a felony. And that's what we're
writing to the Trumpet administration when they take office. And
the first letter we're going to you know, fire you know,
fire out, is let's end sanctuary cities because it actually
the city that has the most at stake is New
York City. We were attacked on nine to eleven. Why
are we shielding not only illegal aliens but possible terrorists?
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And we know terrorists are in this country. We know
they got through the southern border, and they got through
other borders, and we know there's many of them here
because we've uncovered plots. So why are we putting ourselves
in harm's way?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yes, something else Tom Holman asked for that seems to
make just common Sense, which is the name of your caucus,
that is, he said, just do us this one favor.
Allow us to go into Rikers Island and pick up
some of the criminal illegals there where there'd be no fuss,
no mess. They're already handcuffed. You just hand them over
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to us, which the sanctuary city law doesn't allow. And
he says, if you don't do that, we have to
pick them up on the streets where there could be gunfire,
could be a mess, people could get hurt. And I
talked to Tom Borelli. He brought that up to Speaker
Adams and she said, no, no, don't even bring it
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up there.
Speaker 8 (10:41):
Yeah, Joe Burrelly has he's a co chair of the
Common Sense Caucus. Did we all spoke to or at
least brought it up with the Speaker's office, Adrian Adams
And they refused, They refuse to even advance our bill.
We have a bill to amend the sanctuary city laws
what you just mentioned, allow ice into our jails, into
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our courts. You know now that ice has to stand
outside the courts, you know, in public property, on the
sidewalk and hopefully catch the guy that just came out
of the court and sometimes they take him out the
back just to avoid ICE. This is what's going on
in New York City. No citizen of New York City
or state should want this. And I think, I think
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if you polled the public, you find ninety seven percent
of the people would agree with our stance and the
Common Sense Caucus. Let's arrest illegal aliens who are of
committed crimes and let's you know, deport them immediately right now.
Under the laws of you know, sanctuary city laws in
New York City, they have to be convicted of a
felony before they'll be deported or at least turned over
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to ICE. And even then they don't honor any detainer
from ICE in New York City. So there have been
hundreds of last year that not one was honored by
again NYPD or New York City.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, and Councilman Holden, you're talking about those that have
committed crimes. There's also people on the terror watch list.
You saw that little girl at the border. There are
also children that have gone missing that they want to
find because they're afraid that they might get picked up
by the cartels and use for human trafficking. The stories
go on and on and on. It makes no sense
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not to allow them to do their job to find
those people. And as I said in the beginning, God
bless you for fighting the good fight. I hope more
join you because this doesn't make any sense. And thank
you so much for joining us today. Queen's Democratic City
Councilman Robert Holden still to come, the battle of the
Blockbusters at the movies, and another Trump case may get overturned.
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When is the appellate court going to throw out the
Donald Trump real estate judgment? It sure does seem like
it's heading that way. Ary Hoffman from the New York
Sun is just ahead.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Now more of a wr Saturday Morning show and Larry
Minty welcome back.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
It was a stunning case against Donald Trump that got
a lot of national coverage. New York Attorney General Letitia
James sued Trump for getting loans after overvaluing his properties.
She won a settlement against Trump for almost a half
a billion dollars. Now it seems like the appellate court
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may overturn it, and that's getting no coverage except in
The New York Sun. Here's associate editor Ery Hoffman, so
tell us what's going on. I would think there was
going to be some kind of ruling by now. They
said a month. It's been much longer than that.
Speaker 9 (13:49):
It's been much longer than that. And just as a reminder,
as you mentioned, Justice anger On handed down this four
hundred and fifty million mega fraud verdict against Trump, against
his company and against two of his children, as close
to it kind of death penalty as you can get
in a civil in a civil case, as you mentioned, Larry,
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that Trump appealed that. Next thing we know, we're in
We're in the New York Court of Appeals and the
reviews are scathings of Judge Angerun's judgment. And I think
what happened was people, you know, were so blown away
but by that initial decision that they sort of took
it as a done deal. But that's not how it works,
right in any system, criminal or civil, you have to
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work your way up up through the appeal circuit. And
there's actually news on this front just breaking last night,
and that is that one of Trump's attorneys, John Sower,
also his nominee to be Solicitor General of the United States,
that's the government's top lawyer before the Supreme Court, wrote
a letter to Letitia James asking her to drop the
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case for quote, the greater good of the country. The
letters of goes through a couple of points that were
raised by those very same Appella judges. He said, nobody
was really harmed here, all the kind of business interlocutors
of Trump's were satisfied with their transactions, and that this
case never should have been brought and this verdict never
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should have been handed down from Judge anger On. So
the leather kind of I think, is an effort to
increase the pressure on Tiss James, increase the pressure on
the Court of Appeals to drop this case. And I
think you can't understand it without also understanding the backdrop
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of the criminal cases against President Trump, which have one
by one fallen by the wayside this week, especially the
federal ones. So Trump is feeling good. He's feeling good legally,
he's feeling good politically. And you know, whether Tiss James
dropped this case or not, that seems unlikely given her
own rhetoric about continuing to fight, continuing to confront Trump.
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I think he also has to feel good in terms
of the fate of this case before the Court of Appeals.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, ery, take us back though, because I was really stunned,
as you said, they were kind of picking apart the case.
I think one of the judges at one point even said,
have you ever brought a case where the public wasn't harmed,
the alleged victims weren't harmed, and all of the money
was paid back with interest on time. And he was saying, so,
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why would you ever bring this case in the first place.
And I didn't think that they had a really good
answer for that, which is why they talked about sanctions
at the time. But just so people know, go through
exactly what they were talking about, and especially the sanctions
that they talked about.
Speaker 9 (16:53):
Sure, and so you know. The lines of critique from
the Court of Appeals, I'd say can be divided into
two main arguments. One is in one of the judges
mentioned this quote immense financial penalty. Right in law, the
penalty has to be proportionate to the crime or to
the underlying violation in a civil case, and I think
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some of these judges looked at this, they said, four
hundred and fifty million dollars plus interest plus all these
punitive penalties. In terms of how Trump can run his
business having an independent chaperon right there in the middle,
kind of superintending things. And so I think there was
a sense of, well, wait a second, this is just
so enormous and maybe disproportionate. Second was exactly as you said.
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I mean, usually in a fraud case, you have a victim,
right that someone was a company or an individual did
wrong by someone else, that someone suffered loss, and it
goes to the courts to redress that loss. And that's
kind of a fundamental situation that courts are meant to address.
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This is a strange one, Larry, because there was no loss.
As you mentioned, Trump's creditors did not bring this case.
This was brought by the government. Now, sometimes it's true
that fraud doesn't require someone to have lost money that
you can prove fraud. If you just intended to be dishonest,
that can be fraud.
Speaker 10 (18:25):
But that's a much.
Speaker 9 (18:26):
Weaker kind of claim, right, right, And and the and
the burden for that is is higher. And then you know, so,
so judges, I think we're kind of looking askance a
little bit at will. Wait a second, we don't have
a real plaintiff here in the conventional sense of the term.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Hey, I'm just going to warn you. We have about
thirty seconds left, and.
Speaker 9 (18:44):
So you know, my my prediction is this verdict is
going to get cut. I think just Change will keep
fighting as she has her eye on the on the
Mayor's mansion.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, I agree too. I hope there's sanctioning sanctions against
the prosecutors. And at one point one of the judges
even talked about electioneering and election interference, and I agree
with him. Arry Hoffman, everybody should read your stuff in
the New York Sun. He is the associator of the
New York Sun. We'll talk again soon. Thanks for being here.
Speaker 9 (19:13):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Still to come. Wor's Movie Minute host on the new
movie releases this weekend. That's next.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Here's Larry Minty with more of the wr Saturday Morning Show.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
It's a big weekend at the box office. Even though
only one new movie is being released, it's still the
battle of the blockbusters. Wr's Movie Minted host Joe Numeyer explains, Joe,
when I was out in the Hollywood, I got to
cover it for a a split second, for a fast minute,
and it was always Thanksgiving weekend when the blockbusters were
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let out made it to the theaters. It seems I know,
you have one to talk about, but or expected blockbuster,
but it seems like they did it the week before.
Is that something new they did.
Speaker 10 (20:03):
I think it is, and I think it's something that
they want to get a jump on. Obviously they want
to make sure they get all the weekend that they can.
I also think this is sort of part of the
result of the writer's strike last year, which kind of
affected all the movies that are coming down the pike.
There was sort of a little less this year. You
can see it reflected a little bit in the box office,
and I think there's also that sense of, you know,
they don't want to there's obviously last weekend we saw
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Wicked and Gladiator two open on the same weekend. There's
not a lot of that anymore. I think everybody wants
to sort of make sure they get their own weekend.
So this Thanksgiving weekend they're just doing Milana too for families.
I don't know I would have opened up something else
just to make it. But I also think there's there's
also some you know, it's all there's there's all this
sort of you know, crazy logic that they go into
and they sort of figure, well, all the people who
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didn't see Wicked or Gladiator two last weekend will go
this weekend. And there's there's some smarts to that, I guess.
But this weekend what we have is Mlana Too was
sequel to the twenty sixteen Disney film. I wasn't that
crazy about it. I I you know, I just want to,
you know, put this out there that obviously families will
probably enjoy it and they're gonna want to see something.
They're gonna maybe want to have an island vacation, right,
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so this is sort of the next best thing. Uh,
You're sort of cruising around on the oceans in this
In this film, it's the same basic story. There's the
young Polynesian girl who is sort of becomes a wayfinder
and a leader for her people. And she and the
demi god Maui, whose voice again by the rock Dwayne Johnson. Uh,
they've got to find like an island that they feel
like has got another you know, tribe on it they
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don't know about. It's a little confusing. This is my
problem with it is that you know, I really you know,
the Pixar movies are great like this, but they but
the some some animated movies, they don't make it clear enough.
The mission isn't clear. There's a lot of running around
and here there's a lot of chasing on the water
and under the water, and and so for that reason,
I'm giving it two stars. But again, you know, sort
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of your mileage may vary. If you've got young kids
who are running around the house and you want to
get them to the to the theater where they can
run around there and kind of scream a little bit,
then Mulanao's probably a nice a nice option for it.
I just thought it was not as it's not as
fun as the last movie. The last we had some
good music. This one the music's a little it's a
little weak, you know. The last one had that that
great song You're Welcome that that was sort of a
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hit at you know, eight years ago kind of thing.
So Mlanitu two stars. But if you've got a family,
you kind of want to go out and kind of
you know, get something somewhere else except for the living room,
so you can get away from the turkey, and the
leftovers might be okay for the family.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
And that's the whole reason to do it. Believe me,
I've I got four kids, I've had kids that age
that you want to just get out and so you
can eat something and they'll be quiet even And by
the way, you know, I know for a fact you're
not a six year old girl, and that's the target audience.
They're gonna love that, right, They're gonna.
Speaker 10 (22:45):
Love that exactly right. They are gonna love it. In fact,
I think a little older probably won't. I think, you know,
I can't imagine a tween at eleven, twelve, thirteen year
old really liking I think the really young kids are
going to kind of go for it. They even make
a joke in the movie where it's like she's not
a is me princess, but a lot of people think
she is because she's obviously in that in that world.
Milana is so right. It's those really young kids than
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young girls who are good and good for them, they
need a hero. This is sort of the kind of
thing that they can that they can appreciate. But I
think right that if you've got young daughters, especially, it'll
be it'll be a great time at the movies. You
won't walk out humming any of the tunes, but you'll
have killed two hours. So you know, that's that's always something.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
And they have the theaters to themselves. I mean, I
know Wicked and Gladiator are still going to do well,
but that Milana is being released on its own. Is
there anything else at all?
Speaker 10 (23:31):
Nothing else at all? You know, here's the interesting thing, right,
so Wicked last weekend, Wicked, you know, became the biggest
Broadway that to big screen adaptation ever and it's the
biggest musical opening of all the time. The previous one
was laying this rob back like in twenty twelve. So
this is the biggest Broadway to to uh cinema adaptation.
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And Gladiator two made a little bit less than people
were expecting. Gladiator made about fifty five million, Wicked made
about one hundred and fifteen million, but Gladia two still
made more than the previous film even adjusting for inflation.
The original Gladiator made about thirty five million. So those
two movies really kind of help boost the box office.
It hasn't been a big year for big movies. Inside
Out two and Deadpool and Wolverine. You know, we're the
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biggest money makers, and then these two come along and
kind of help the box office a little bit. I
think that kind of stuff is gonna You're gonna see.
Even though Wana two will be a hit, the original
Malana isn't even in the top ten animated films of
all time in terms of box office, So it will
be interesting that to see if Wicked holds on, which
I think it will. Wicked will hold on, and Gladiator
two will probably hold on as well. I think Malana
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two may come into two or three. You'll be big.
But I think they're kind of expecting those two movies
to kind of carry off into the Thanksgiving weekend and
the holiday weekend for sure.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
You know, Joe, I was just thinking, and I can't
come up with one. I was trying to figure out
a really good Thanksgiving movie that celebrates the holiday. Do
you have one?
Speaker 10 (24:53):
Well, Planes, trains and normobiles, good question. Good Planes and planes,
trains and automobiles is sort of the one that I
always think of. Great, Oh my gosh, Steve martin the
late John Candy.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
And you cry in it too. You laugh and you cry, you.
Speaker 10 (25:06):
Laugh and you cry, and that's you know. I love
Steve Martinett. But that is really a credit to John
Candy because he really pulls off that character in a
really interesting way. He's annoying, but he also you grow
affectionate towards him and you really feel for him, and
so at the end, I'm not gonna ruin anything. For
anybody who hasn't seen, it's not all the time I.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Think, yeah in the movie, yeah, they're not pillows, those
arn pillows.
Speaker 10 (25:33):
I also when they're driving, they're driving on the wrong
side of the road and he looks over and he
sees John Candy like the devil. He's like, ah, the yard.
There's a few others, you know. I like Scentible Woman
is really good. Cent of a woman people forget is
a Thanksgiving movie that the movie was Oscar.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, that's one of my favorite movies, but one of
my favorite movies ever.
Speaker 10 (25:56):
Yep, yep. And then of course Mirrors one thirty fourth three.
This is the thing I always think of Thanksgiving movies
is sort of the ramp up to Christmas movies, and
there's more of those, but you sort of have to
kind of get into the Christmas spirit a little bit
with your Thanksgiving movie, and the original Miracle on thirty
fourth Street really obviously does that, which is great. The
remakes okay too, from the nineties, but the original one
is great with young Natalie Wood. That's really fun. There's
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even and even there's even little scenes. There's a scene
in Hanna and her Sisters that a couple of them
take place at at Thanksgiving. Power heist this Ben Stiller
movie that's kind of not bad from the from about
fifteen years ago. They have have a scam going on
or they have to rob a guy during the Thanksgiving praise.
You've Got Males, got a fun scene like that, and
then the one I always could. I always want to
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contribute with the things Rocky has got. The big scene
in Rocky where he meets he really meets Adrian for
the first time because she comes to the Petzro that
all takes place at Thanksgiving. I remember Paulie takes a
thirty throws it out the door.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
You are amazing. You are just You're an encyclopedia that
you can remember every single one of those. I call
me impressed. Hey be before we go, I do. We
don't have a lot of time left, but I do
want to pay tribute to Jim Abrams, because you know
he he wrote and uh and directed Naked Gun and
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Hot Shots Airplane. Yeah, I mean I was gonna say
that to last but they they were just fun movies.
We don't have anything like that anymore, you know, just
really we sure don't.
Speaker 10 (27:25):
I wish we did Airplane itself. You always it's always
makes me laugh anytime it's on cable. Top Secret dales
to the Naked Gun movies. And and you know Police Squad,
which was the original sort of six episode TV show
that that launched the Naked Gun hot Shots, which is
really funny too. It's kind of a spoof of Airplane,
I mean a spoof of Top Gun, right, Him and
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him and David Zooker and Jerry's they were known as
zazz That's right style of comedy.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
We gotta go, Joe, But thank you so much.
Speaker 9 (27:54):
W O R S.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Joe Neumaier. Well, that wraps up Saturday Morning for this week.
Thanks as all always for listening. Join me on Monday
morning from six to ten on the Morning Show. Have
a great weekend.
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