Elliot Wilson Reflects On His Journey, BIGGIE's Legacy, and Pioneering Collaboration With Word Up!

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This is cool. I used toread word up magazine. We did.
Oh my god, Elliott Wilson's inthe building. Everybody, Oh Elliot.
There's only about so many people inthe game that I could sit and talk
to about certain things, and Idon't and I could, like, you
know, it's just a shorthand,right, I don't have to explain you.

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Remember the guy from the middle ofyou know exactly what I'm talking about
Brooklyn. In the nineties, Elliott, how long have you been in this
game? As a premier hip hopjournalist was big. He would say,
I've been in the games this ninetytwo. I got in the game in
nineteen ninety two, same year,same year. Wow, But I didn't
become a big dog to what Ibecome a big dog. A big dog.

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I was ninety nine, so Iguess around, and then you were
a big dog two thousands. Iwas a big dog. But I was
thinking about that today earlier. Idon't know what possessed this thought in my
mind, but I was thinking aboutThis is gonna sound weird to say out
loud. No, it's when peopleask me, like, what are you
most proud of? Okay, youknow what it was? You know,
I'm getting inducted into the New Yorkthe New York. Well, I'm getting

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a star in Hollywood Falk of Fameand then the New York Broadcast Hall of
Fame. Anyway, So they weregoing through my little accolades and stuff,
and I was just reading them andI was like, Oh, that's nice,
and somebody was like, wow,very impressive. And I was thinking
to myself, you know, it'scrazy because when I was young and that
stuff was happening. You know,we had a lot of power when we
were young, right, we wereyou were running up the biggest hip hop

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magazine. I'm on the biggest station, the only by the way, the
only platform, and not just itwasn't just the only radio station. Was
just the only platform to really hearlong form interviews, to really see your
artists kind I don't know, justdaily. It was just your daily dose
of what was happening in the culture. Right. I think we had so

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much ambition. I think you tookconnect into Biggie, like what I like
about you when I first met Biggiebecause I first interviewed him Ready to Die,
Advanced Cassette, going to Arista Records, sitting and meeting him. His
ambition, right, he wanted tobe successful, like he made big records,
he made big pop, he madeone More Chance remix like he wanted.
He was an underground came but hehad ambition to be bigger. He
wanted to be successful. Like alot of our guys we all came from
that were underground and then we hadambition to grow and be big. Then

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you're now you have a jay Z, you have a nag, you have
a fat Joe like well, undergroundkids though from York, everybody was young.
Yeah. But when I was thinkingabout that, well, I was
saying, it's like we had alot of power. Yeah, you know
what I'm saying, Like one ofit. We had a lot of power.
And I think when when people askme, like what are you most
proud of him? Sometimes I sayall the people I mentor to listen to
this, but like, I'm alsoproud of the fact that I managed that

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power. Well, you know whatI'm saying, I'm proud of that because
I think especially integrity, right,yea with integrity and at that young age
where I could have made understandably couldhave made some bigger mistakes in terms of
managing that power. I just wantit for you if you ever get caught
in that. In that ego oflike I'm running the sources, I'm the

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king of the culture. Man.I felt like everybody had to give me
the album so I could give itthe mics, and if they didn't submit
the album, I would be mad, Like Puffy didn't want to give me
Life after Death and Time and Iwas going crazy, like how You're not
gonna give me the albums the reviewbecause I'm at the source magazine and like,
I definitely did that. Also feltlike back then as a writer,
as a hip hop writer, youknow, if you wrote a bad review,
people may try to find you,you know what I'm saying. So

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I kept a little profile. Peopledidn't really know what I look like,
mart So. But I talk aboutit in this piece I wrote for this
thing World Up Magazine, Biggie Special. But we're gonna talk about word Up.
We're gonna talk about it. We'regonna talk about I talk about how
my biggest regret was I'm talking aboutlistening to Life after Death. Puffy's playing
the album is in February, wewent to bad Boy. We're in an
early copy of the album so youtalk about this in the article. In
the article, okay, be inthe music a source my dream job.

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I get to hear life after deathpretty much a month and a half before
it comes out. That's the othergood side. We would get to hear
things earlier and just realizing, likemomenting more problems, like oh my god,
this sounds like the greatest thing ever, like how is this not gonna
work? And then like at theend, people took pictures with Big,
and Big had the whole broke hisleg, Little SI's crippled me. Yeah,
he's sitting in a chair, Sowe would just like stoop down and
take a picture with Big. ButI didn't do it because I'm like I

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was programmed, like people can't knowwhat I look like. I don't take
a photo, but not regret it. I wish I should have took a
picture with Biggie. So do youhave a nice photo of him? Do
you have any photos with Big?Not together? No? And I've been
in clothes with him when you hadthe base blast Scully on and stuff.
But that's so sad. That's oneof my big regrets too, is that
I didn't take a lot of picturesback then. There's so many people that
I don't have that. I hadsuch greatpore with that. You'd have to

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get a real camera, like adisposable camera or something like that, which
would have been terrible. Your pose, fam man, I got that.
I had the picture that I usedand word up I had. I have
a great picture with Big. Ihave a couple of them. The other
one's a little blurry. I haven'treally used it. I'll pull it off
for something at some point. Ihave another one it's just a little awkward.

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And then I have one at aclub where you don't see his face.
He's to the side, but he'she's like getting a bottle of champagne.
Jay sent that to me recently,so it was one that I didn't
even know I had. And yeah, so I like when something pops up
and you're like, oh, it'sMa and Big at the club. I'm
sorry, I was at the club. I was at some kind of outdoor
club where it was the one wherePark came out with Big Pocket Nas.

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We're in the same club and youhave to have this like weird, I'm
like looking like I'm nineteen. Wasfunny. I was like, I was
at that club too, Oh mygod, Oh my god, look at
me. Look how cool I am? Bad. We had all shots of
like photos with Biggie and photos withPOC and photos of people like that.
It was iconic. That's the thing. We were doing it too. Like

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I think we knew we were partof great moments. But to see how
those moments like your interviews you knowwith Jay and those type of things,
like how timeless they are too.It's crazy. Yeah. So we did
this united, were reunited on this, Me and Elliott did. We're both
contributors on the one. This thisWord Up magazine. This, Uh,

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what is the burbage? I'm lookingfor your special magazine collect issue, a
collector's issue, A couple of thousandsso copies and major cities. It is
special. They brought this back forthe anniversary and to celebrate notorious b I
gazing wis it brought this back andthey brought a sense of to contribute to

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this Word Up, to this specialedition Word Up Magazine. Yes, uh
and so I wrote a letter toBig Beautiful thanks man. Elliott wrote,
wrote reflections uh CJ and Tiana Wallace. Kids do you love seeing the kids?
Kids? Are the kids we have? My barbecue this year, Wow

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was turning up. We was turningup, by the way, I've turned
up with them a few times,so I put that in the letter.
I was like, big, Ibe out here drinking with your kids.
That crazy. We've turned up acouple of times. We got spic CYCJ
tonight at the party. But they'reso great at meat. It's so happy
when I see like I see Giannisometimes Andre Horrell's son, and he's doing

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well and he's working with Rich Climbingand them over he's working with Rich Climbing
sometimes. I one time I wasat Childs downtown and I saw Gianni and
Quincy Puff's kids. They were havingdinner outside and then they shop. Is
so much love. I want tolike sit with them and drink with them
and be like what y'all doing?And Puffy was in the family had their

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own section like the part. Itwas crazy, but the kids like,
he's so like a little baby Puffthough, it's so christ he is his
twin. He's like his twin.And then Puff looked like he maybe lost
some weight when he first came out. I thought to myself, oh,
he looks like Christian. It's theother way around for some reason. So
crazy anyway, Yeah, so thismagazine came out. We're all super excited

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about it. What a dope moment. There's a lot of reflection going on
hip hop. What are your thoughtson Hip Hop fifty? Are you hip
Hop fifty out? Elliot was?It was now fifted out a little bit,
But I loved it. I lovedit. A lot of the great
artists of the past got their looks. Man, I was. I was
at the shop. That was myfavorite part. Yeah, I did that.

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People stay until one two in themorning to watch run DMC come out
and tear it down. Like thatwas beautiful to me. Like I like
to see people that you know best, you know, the artists of the
eighties, that's who I was justa fan right now. That motivated me,
Like I always say, we didgreat things in the nineties because we
were so ampty, like carry ontradition and like, yeah, you know,
big up this music that we love, like we were it was students
in the eighties and like so beingin the business in the nineties, it's

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like and the CDs artists now,you know, because sometimes I think he
gets lost in nineties being like kindof our motown eerrar like what happened before
in nineteen ninety two per se right, Yeah, and they see artists of
the eighties kind of get these looks. That's what's probably the best part of
all. Yeah. I loved thattoo, all of them getting their their
moments, even even like yeah,the pioneers flat pioneers. Yeah, I

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saw so many pieces done until manyof them. It was it was great
to see the women of the culture. So that's great. I do hope
that we trans this sh now tolike, okay, like what's the future
look like? More so on likefor sure who the fifty mcs I'm supposed
to be paying attention to, likethat kind of energy of like sep going
of like you know, and whatis it going to take to keep it
going at the level or to keepgrowing? Ye, this Biggie lyric,

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it was all a dream. Soyou know, you just think about how
young he was because he had tobe what was like twenty but when he
wrote it, he probably had tobe twenty three twenty four, right,
yeah, gets what not said enoughabout him is his drive that he had
and obviously Puffy was a factor init, like the vision of like take
this to the next level. Yeahon hip hop, right, we hadn't
seen that before. You know,he's saying, I'm blowing up like he

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thought I would. He's talking aboutheavy D and so on pepper and a
limousine as a sign of success ofputting that picture on his wall, Like,
yeah, you know, you wantedto inspire and you wanted to achieve
that and he did. He didazing and the impact too, Like I
remember the next Excel. In thetwo thousands, we kept doing tribute issues
the big I relevant. No,let me see there's an insert look he
could do this is this is oneside and then that's the other side.

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That's great. Yeah, you guyscan get your hands on. This is
absolutely worth of getting your hands ona little legendary moment, right, Absolutely
to the brands that did it right, Yes, shout out to good people,
you know what I mean. Takingme back to my essence. Come
on magazine, you're feeling emo.I'm about to cry. You're still you're

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still very relevant in the culture,and you still have you still have the
ability to ruffle some feathers. Whathas been happening with you? And you're
in this in this pocket that you'rein. I don't. I saw you
somewhere where did I see you?I saw your Kalid's golf event. Yeah.
I took a little snippet of thatput out there. I said,
I got to send it to you, and you said to me something and

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I did a joke of Bus,not a joke, but the reality that
busted because I think people looking likethe honor is that. I think a
lot of times when they mentioned pioneersor goats in this business, sway,
his name comes up, your namecomes up, my name comes up right
as a sort of standard of mediaand whatever looks like hip hop media,
hip hop media, like the foundationalpeople like that. So if you talk
about who's the all time greats,our names come up, and then sometimes

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you know, I get my littleego bag and I want to be the
best, and you know, butI was saying with age, it's kind
of the analogy. The Bus hassaid that he wouldn't do it verses against
Missy because it's somebody similarities between themand there's so much respect that I could
not do that. But I feellike I'll battle anybody else to be the
greatest. You don't want to battleme don't want to do I don't want
you want to do it? Elliottlisten interviews Andie Martinez versus they say,

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they say you gonna pull a poco. You finished after that. Oh,
I'll take that. I lose around. By the way, I had a
random I don't even have to eventhey don't even have to be the big
one I got. I'll bust thatJay z R Kelly joint on. I
hit you with that locks puff joint. Oh love the rough knife for me?

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Man, you got it? Thenyou have some nipsies. You got
couple of Drake ones, oh manytwice. By the way, Nicky cried,
she'd cry. She made me cry. Pull out Nicky crying. That
might be that might be for thekid, might be to go for the

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kid. I'll take two. You'relike join Lebron. I think she's just
debate who's great to be to you? That should be the only argument.
Everybody else should not be included,because I say to myself, why on
earth with Elliott Wilson, the guywho gets all the Drake interviews? Who
who? Sometimes I'd be like,could I get Drake? Can you come

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around here? One time I hadto say to myself Why would Elliott Wilson
jeopardize this Because I'm a dummy.I'm a big dummy. I messed up
what happened though the podcast. Girlshe's funny, I'm not. I don't
mean I wasn't up on her atall. I know, I didn't know
about it till Drake Drake put heron. So Drake had did another little
funny interview kind of thing, andyou got in your family and I was

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just like, yeah, it's like, don't tie you doing that type of
stuff. And it just didn't lookcool at me. And I, you
know, again, I'm making thistransition of you know, I left title.
I'm back in media and full throttle. So I was like, I
can say some of the things Iwant to say, like I don't have
to worry about corporate. You know, I have this job like this.
I could just say how I feelabout things. But sometimes, you know,
my boards come out a little harsh. So I said somebody being mid

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or something, and it just offendedhim and it just, you know,
it sho because you said him onsocial media. That's true and I should
have afforded him the grace of tellinghim. I felt before I took it
or decided to take it public.And that's why I apologize. Yeah,
like apologies AGI your show, everybodyclowned him, apologies and hip hop,

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you're right, I apologize why I'msaying you know better even when you go
it's still really I'm trying to makeit right. I had to think maybe
there was something strategic going on here. That's why think some kind of mefit.
To my madness, she was thecase. It wasn't. And for
the record, game really just jumpedout the window jumped out. But no,

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because I have too much freedom nowto just can still like I can
say whatever I want. Granted,it was your truth, that's how you
felt the best you didn't like.But by the way I thought, I
thought the little interview was funny andcute. I didn't think it was anything
wrong with it. I didn't watchthe whole thing on YouTube anymore. I
don't know what happening. I onlyliked the little clip. The little clip.
What happened he made it take itdown? I don't know there's a
controversy around it. I have nocomment. Did you have something to do
with that? I want to say, But I think I have all this

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power. I don't know anything aboutany of this. I know want power.
I have no power here. Idon't know nothing about anything. I
like when I see Drake being lightand funny, it doesn't bother me.
There was another one that he didthat was funny. Yeah, it was
on a bar stool or whatever.That was when I was somebody, when
he was at the strip club.No, Oh, that was funny too.
That was funny. He did.Don't move that the freestyle he did.
I like it. I love thathe went to see gay like that,

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so like bestes Man, and Ilike Yadi's funny dry side. I
gotta get I gotta get Drake back. What are you gonna do? What
are you willing to do? Hey? Easy, easy, I mean disrespect,
I mean an apology letter. Iapologize. Man, time heals all
wounds. Man, I do,I do? I do? Like I
said at this point, like yousaid, did you apologize to him?

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I've actually done six interviews with Drake. Did he reply to your apology?
Un't reply. He left him onthe public thing he did was after I
already had apologized. He went onacademics page. And that's what he claimed
me about being a rolling loud andyeah, covering the kids and running around
doing backstage interviews. Everybody says youshouldn't but listen, or you should.

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You could do whatever you want,but what you shouldn't do is mess with
somebody whose pen is that good.He's so you have dra It's like there's
certain people right. I would neverin my life fix my mouth to say
anything crazy about fifty cent because Idon't want for the rest of my life.
I'm scared. And Martinez means withwith no heart, with like he

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has, he doesn't care, hedoesn't care. So nobody want to smoke
with fifty I don't know why,at least don't smoke with Drake either,
because Drake is a calculated He's That'swhat I'm saying. He's not. He's
a cerebral assassin, and I metit. I made a huge mistake.
Hopefully these get resolved. I keephope alive. I resillion person. I

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will continue to do great work andhopefully they will come back in my direction.
We'll see how it goes. Butthen, as you can speak to
that, though we have we loveyou, Drake, we have like come
on intense relationship with these artists,and we go through our ups and downs.
Ye has to manage it. It'stough. Yeah. People always talk
about how you down with, whoyou're cool with. People always are impressed
at me and Jay are so cool. But there's been times where that's what

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I'm saying, Well, he didn'tlove something, and I had to be
like I'm talking about back in thesame thing and we had a public one.
Now me and Nas you know whatI mean. We drinking. I
haven't spaghetti at Cartbones. I wascritical Drake for this time was similar.
Why did with the Jay back inthe day, I would hate when the

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hip our top hip hop guy wouldn'ttalk to the hip hop outlets. Yes,
they would do the mainstream stuff andthey would do cute stuff and they
wouldn't sit with us. You havea valid argument in that if it's fifty
cent Kanye time and I've done eightmillion fifty cent covers, I don't get
fifty cent Kanye for ex Excel.They go to Rolling Stone. So that
was I would call you. Iwould call Ja out of there. But
again I hit Jay behind the scenesand we would go at it. I

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didn't go publicly and call them out, so I should afford it. Jenna
shut up to Jan. Really Iwas on I was. I got a
job at the Source. I wassupposed to sub let me back then,
you always like sub let a placefrom somebody. That was a real nineties
thing. So I was subletting forsomebody in these village, for anybody.

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It doesn't know. It's like anAirbnb. And then no, but then
the woman renigged on me. Sonow I'm now I'm homeless. I don't
want to go back to the projects. Janna Flashman let me sleep on her
full time for like six months orsomething free months. So I was in
Jenna Flashman's house on the Futon.I get the call from people don't know.

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Jenna Flashman is legendary jay Z's publicistssince forever, since forever forever,
and since we argued about a jayZ Beanie Seagull cover and not just Jay
Honestly, you know she she's likethe head of publicity, a rived,
Yes, become own mogul. Yeswe love Jan Futon couch and get the

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call Sunday day Mace, who's noteven my man like that, calls me
and tell me Biggie's dead. That'swhy I was. I was Jan's house,
why we went to the source.We had to go to work.
We gotta put together a tribute packagefor Biggie. It's surreal to me,
it's all the same thing happened tome. You gotta do the work,
you gotta go. I was atI was at the club the night before.
I was out the night before,and I had mad people in my

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house sleeping on my floor in myliving room. You know those nights.
Yeah, we like nobody ever hadthat. Nobody knows what were doing that.
You don't have like a party inyour house. Everybody's drinking, eating
pizza and everybody just crashes that madthousands. It's mad people in my house.
It's not mad like four or five. Like, there was people there.
Absolutely. I'm trying to remember whowas there. I don't know why.

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I remember that. You like unique, remember your unique she used to
run would up. It's like abunch of people there anyway. So yeah,
I got the call too, andthe same thing. I jumped up,
jumped out of bed, went rightto the stage. I couldn't believe,
you know, the same thing.We were just like, do you
remember always say what my exaggerame whenI said like we felt like damn,
this hip hop kind of over,like the spirit was just so it was
horrible. It was so dark.It was I was like in my dream

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job being at the Source magazine.I'm the music gater, I give out
the mics. This is my dreamjob. I'm that guy. Now Biggie's
gone, it's just like it rapsdead and this over. Now it's like,
well, we know we got ittogether, and then you know,
I will I loved later on beingex exceled. We're in the two thousands,
and I started doing tribute issues toBiggie because Biggie was still relevant right
in the culture, Like we woulddo these two thousand and two to two

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thousand and four. Every April issue, I would do a Biggie tribute and
it was selling the news stand.It would be huge. So was that
your favorite time to cover your favoritebecause you've covered so many things and so
many times. We had a twothousand Being editor in chief Exxcel, I
think that's like my that's my fathercalled my Fonzie error. That's like the
cool error of like success. ButI'm glad it didn't define me completely,
you know, doing rap right onand then now this whole thing now being

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on camera, people know what Ilook like. It's the total opposite of
what my career was before. Sosince thirteen when I did Crown Live interviews
and being on camera and everything's oncamera. Now, this is like a
whole new ten year career of peopleknow who Elliot Wilson is, what I
look like, who I am.They watch my interviews, they come,
they say my full name when theysee me. You know, hey,
Elliott Wilson. Hi, Elliot WilsonMartinez is a bread Yeah, like that,

(20:38):
like the whole energy of it.So it's I love all of it.
I love it. I love thefact that we're still relevant. I
love the fact that we still cando great work. And yeah, you
know our timeless and you know,timeless is nice. Biggie's timeless. Are
you still inspired? Like what's inspiringyou right now? Man? Look at
as is good? Is that ahard question? It's not a hard question.
No, this is this is thisis fused me seeing my work in

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a printed uh product, which isall school. Yeah. I was very
proud of the Tyler to create aninterview I did this year. I'm Gonna
get you one time. Buster Rhymescried on my show. I'm gonna find
that. I'm gonna find that whenyou at least expect it when you hit
me with that, when you hitme with the Tyler joint buster crying on.

(21:22):
He probably doesn't even remember that story. But yeah, I have d
X very emotional on the radio too. I have pulled that on out on
you. What else I got NBA young boy this year? Two point
two million young boy. I hadlet me see demographic. I mean money
back, yo, This money backYO. When I just put in the
can, wasn't wasn't too shabby,you know what I mean? That's interview

(21:45):
to your conversation. I mean it'sin the battle. It's in there that
I mean, if we're talking aboutyou know what a can you you tell
the people how I was trying toget you to do a podcast eighty million
years ago. Everyone's trying to doa podcast. Yeah, and then now
you waiting. Now you're killing uswith the podcast. What's going on with
that? Congratulate? So you feelwhat that you're entitled to something. A
little hurt, A little hurt.When I was at Title, I was

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trying to get and to do apodcast. We tried because it's a different
It didn't work, yes, becauseit's one thing to be doing a podcast.
To do a podcast, Yes,I did this podcast. Be guys,
I had some ship I wanted toget off and some things I wanted
to talk about, So I didit your purpose, I found something that
I wanted to do and then Iput it in a podcast. It wasn't
like, let me go just doa podcast. To do it podcast,

(22:29):
it's different, yo. So Icould drop a Nipsey and you could drop
the Lauren London. Oh my god, see see how crazy our battle would
be because say, it'll be legendary. Who else couldn't even follow that?
I don't know who would follow thatLauren did. People come up to me
and tell me that's that's one ofthem ones. Lauren London was definitely one
of them ones. But some ofmy favorite ones are not always the ones
that too. Yeah, you know, there was like I had I had

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speaking of So I had a fiftycent one one time, right that everybody
remembered Curtis That's where it came fromwith am rhyme. Right, so him
and Cam are fighting arguing on theradio. So everybody always thinks that's the
big interview, But to me,the same day earlier. In that day,
Styles styles Peak called in and himand fifty were talking live on the
radio, And to me, Iloved that interview more than cam than that

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moment. The moment that everybody's screamingabout is not really the thing that I
thought was so special. I thoughtwhat I thought was special was the calmness
of styles questioning fifties decision making oncertain things with respect, but challenging him,
and then the two of them andthen Fifty defending sir. I don't
know. I just thought that thatit was a doper conversation to me,

(23:40):
but it wasn't. There's another one. I also love my Burdman interview.
But then the next day Burdman goeson the Breakfast Club and says, so,
I had this great Burdman interview.I feel like people could really get
to know him. It's gonna beso good. They didn't really get to
understand him. And then the nextday he goes and says, what is
it? He said, yeah,put some respect on my next day.

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Those are great, like you know, you ain't got the answers and all
that type of stuff. Those aregreat interview moments. It's not as interview
right, and then moments they're likehighlights. They are great interview moments,
but interview like I thought about that, like I did a crown am I
supposed to say something to piss somebodyelse and then they walk off, and
that'd be a great moment Ellie Wilsonpissed the person off and they walked off
the stage and it would go viraleverywhere. But that's not a great interview.
It worked for Joe Button, hedid that. He did that with

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Vigos. That's true, that's true. Who else walked off? Has anybody
ever walked out of an interview foryou? No? No, no,
I don't think anybody's ever done.But there was something else that you just
said, Oh you gave me agreat segue, and I didn't take it.
Okay, go for it. Yousaid, uh, Kanye, you
ain't got the answers. Sway didyou come at sway? Nor? Goodness?

(24:53):
We go. We gotta go becausebecause somebody else will talk to you
about this, it makes some damnsense out of it. Straight. Somebody
got talked to you straight about thiswas a little baby and what's this guy
right low? They do this thegoat of the complex, the complex thing
has something about the goat of thisthing, this category. That's what it
was. When I saw you atCalid's at the Callid Golf tournament, you

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said, which, right now,who is the there? You go,
well done? Well done? Youdid? You say who's the goat?
And you said something. I waslike, what are you talking about?
I said, you like busting busyAnd I said, I don't want to
do verses with you, but Iwas doing the verses all day today.

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So yeah, it was saying likethe top media personality, top media personality
or whatever, and like I feellike I was the first to kind of
brand myself the goat of hip hopjournalism. I think the line gets worried
because and I get a little littlechip on my shoulder because I feel like
what I used to do doesn't existanymore. The magazine thing so so much
now to wow now. But Ifeel like we used to have radio,

(26:02):
we used to have press, wewere different, but now radio people are
judged like journalists against me. Sothat's where my little disc cannect happen sometimes.
But I don't mind it with you, and I don't mind it with
Sway obviously because we're all but didsomething happened that because something happened and I
took I did the Jordan line.I took that personally and it joined me
when I saw the thing I wrote, and I took that personally, and
then people got offended. It washalf joking. But have you spoken Sway?

(26:26):
Did you apologize us? All docksdown? Had to be clapped me
a little bit on the show.She might she should. That's her job,
people. Yeah, that's that's whatpeople. That's what she's supposed to
do. Yeah. Rob Markman checkedme on and we had a conversation.
He's really cool with Sway. Nodisrespect this way. I respect for Sway.
You can't. It's twenty twenty three. You cannot come for Sway.

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I'm just a way. I'm comingwith my own greatness. I'll do it
versus where Martinez. Now, damnit. I don't care, Like,
why can't someone say they feel theirnumber one? I don't understand the world
anymore. Everybody's so mad. Everybodygot to be goaded like we're a little
goat club, Like you're the onegolden, you're the one, You're the
one of them. So then whycan't I say I feel I'm gonna go

(27:08):
or go for that and say whyare you mad? People still get Mad's
is why are you mad? ThatI believe in myself? Like what like
that's what I understand, how peoplegetting their feelings just because I think I'm
better than Did you say something specificabout Sway? Is that? No?
I said, And I took thatpersonally. I did a little joke the
little Jordan while everything he took onwas like a this is not supposed to
be negative towards me, but I'musing it as something to like God sounds

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myself motivate myself to I still wantto do great work and I want to
be the best. That's all.Just sleep Sway alone in right now.
I want you to And and bythe way, watch it back when Heather

(27:51):
watch it back on the walking waswondering what's going on with you? I
was thinking maybe you were launching somethingthat you were just trying to fire people
up a little bit. People doingjust start this new program Elliot Wilson Experience
on Patreon. It's more like meoff the cuff interview people like at the
cal thing, I'm running around witha camera. No one knows Eliot has
a camera. What is he doing. What's he up to? So?

(28:11):
Yeah, I was launching. Yeah, I didn't know that. I'll send
you the clip you see if youwant to keep it up there or not,
I'll subscribe. What is what doI got to pay on Patricks different?
What's the tier? What's the basic? I pay to see me with
you at? What is the tear? I must be i'most send a t
for free. But also yeah,I want to support you. Get in
there with that five all the joint, all right, getting the club five

(28:33):
to see I'm coming patre on dotcom. Belliot Wilson, Yeah, just
having fun making content mabe for you. You know, I talked to I
talked to you, I spoke toI'm gonna get me a goat chain tomorrow.
Just get on your knives. I'mgonna just whatever by ig tomorrow out

(28:56):
of nowhere. Talk with Elliot Wilsonyesterday work enjoyed, enjoyed his new chade.
Who's Who's Who's piece in the wordof magazine was better yours, and
people decide back. Guys are gonnahave Guys are gonna have to check out
the issues because you did the letterthing though letters are emotional like you did

(29:17):
the letter they did like and alsoyou knew Biggie like personally, not this
yes is like real, like dearbig and like person I just try to
think of the things that like ifhe was here, what kind of conversation
would I have with him now?Like what would I be interested to talk
to Bigger about? I would wantto tell him I just had drinks with
your kids. I would want totell him yo, Like I just would
wonder would he be rhyming at fiftyone? Yeah, Niles just put out

(29:40):
all these songs, like what wouldyou be doing? J Jay is doing
this? Would you be a billionaire? Probably because you was mad smart in
your young twenties, so and thisand these were your people, So you
know, how would that all landed? It would just be I don't know.
It just made me think of allthose things, what he would think
about the time time we're in andand just kind of updating him on even

(30:03):
where I was where I'm at.It made me reflect on my own career
and where I am now because itput me where I was then. So
then I did a little reflection onthat. But you know, that was
it. So then I just didthe music generalist nerd part of like let
me just really dig deep into themusic and what I really feel about it,
because I look in Life after Deathlike that's still the standard of like
an album to me, Like it'sstill like the modern day great rap album.

(30:25):
Like the versatility that the storytelling,he could do the bone thug style.
He can make commercial records, evenhard card records, like the storytelling
like Life after Death is phenomenal,and Ready to Die was great and laugh
at the jumped over that, andI always joked I could make argument that
more Money, More Problems is likethe greatest rap song of all time,
Like how do you not love thatrecord? And when I live in Cali,
now nobody believes me as I dolive in calisn't even know. I

(30:51):
put the radio on you California Radio, They're gonna play more Money, more
Problems, like despite all the dramawe had. So I feel like that
record like versus all perfect, Acepuff big, like momenty more problems,
Like so the music itself man tomake that great music that like it's still
that standard. Even going back toI got Drake. I mean when we
did the rap Raido, he wassaying Scorpion. He was trying to do
what Biggie did. He wanted tomake a double album that had so many

(31:12):
slaps on it, and like that'sstill the standard, so you gotta thank
big for that. I like theway you're just doing a final shout out
to Drake before we go. We'regonna smoke, try to get back.
We're gonna smoove this out. IfI interview Drake anytime soon, which I
might, don't mention me why shesaid, wish I might? What is
going to you have a plan tohe going to? What was the tour
at? You put me on this? You put me in this mode.

(31:34):
I think I'm motivating answer to reallyjust like delivering some kick ass interviews.
You might I like to come.You think it's crazy how that there's such
a standard now, like the interview, like the interviews a big deal,
like the kids. Yeah, notto I try not to, try not
to put myself. I don't.I don't like to play that way.
Does it bother you? Do youever regret that there's not was pre video
era, that some of that stuff'snot on video. Yeah, I wish

(31:56):
it was, of course, Iwish that. I wish I took more
photos. There's a lot of thingsthat I would have documented better. Yeah,
but it's okay. Everything happens assupposed to and it's still great.
I got a plenty of material forthe verses, so it's fine. It's
no words. I'm gonna look backat what I've done. Man, I
have to have some more to take. Yeah. Come, I expected a
little bit. You know, yougot you got, you got joints,

(32:16):
you got joints, you got someJA joints, you got some. You
got some joints. Thank you,And you got this. We got this,
thank you. We're putting this togethertogether. And Elliott Wilson, come
on, I mean it's kind ofin Word Up magazine in twenty twenty three.
That's pretty great. It's pretty hiphop. Wait, so where does

(32:37):
everybody get this? Do we know? Online? Online? Okay? I
think it's wise. It was alla dream. The major cities. Man
has two locations in New York.I think Chicago, Detroit, La Atlanta.
Atlanta's coming. Also, you know, I heard the doing a new
edition of it, extended version ofthis, and there's other letters. D
Rock wrote a letter that I havea great d Rock interview. I'm saying

(33:00):
that's rare ass you know what I'msaying. That's one of my favorite.
Sure I dropped that D rocket interviewon your kids, I'll say, you
have me a little shaky right then. D rockets now. But D rock
there's gonna be a new version ofits coming out, I think in the
end of September, and D rocketsa letter in here and more content from
the state and the family, andit's beautiful and well done. The art
design, everything is amazing. Itwas all a dream once after Elliott was

(33:22):
by the five point one