Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson Talk Expectations, Real Life After the White House & What’s Next
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And g what's that eyes?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Hey mama, It's so good to see you both.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
It's great.
Speaker 4 (00:08):
Good for you, congrats, congrats on the podcast being in
the world.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's one thing to say you're.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
Doing it and then put it in the can and
you know people, but another thing when it goes out
into the world.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Listen, thank you you got us start it.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Oh that's very sweet. I can't wait till my episode
comes up.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Great, it's it's gonna be good.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I mean, I've been telling everybody that I know that
I am. I'm on your podcast. Very exciting over here.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
So what's what's the reception been, like, what's the initial
like feeling of putting this out into the world.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
You know, I have a little bit more experienced than
my brother does in putting you know, yourself out there.
I mean, writing two books. I've talked about how you
know when when you're working on a project that's very personal,
you're sitting with it for a long time.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Oftentimes, when it comes.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
To a book, it's a year or so you working
on it and reading drafts, and then it's published and
your first response is, oh, no, what did I say?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
You know?
Speaker 5 (01:12):
And it's like, so you know, I've gotten used to
getting over that hump, but there's always that bit of
oh my god, what did we say?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
What have we been talking about? But I don't know. Craig,
how do you feel you're not as used to it?
Speaker 6 (01:25):
Craig, Well, I would hold on on that one because
what I have that my sister doesn't have is because
that I'm a coach and I talk to the media
all the time. I get instant feedback good or bad,
immediately on my stuff. Right so, and I am more
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in the public eye than Nichez on an everyday basis.
Right Like, I'm walking around, I got no security, I'm
going to the store, I'm coaching kids, I'm running into
people on the streets.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
And it's been fantastic.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
No I've been I've been to two different tournaments where
at least three people come up to me, men and women.
It's really neat, been neat and say hey, I'm listening
to you and your sister on your podcast. You guys
are doing great. It resonates with me. It's so nice
to see siblings who who have a great relationship. And
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I say that because since Mesh and I have such
a great relationship, I always assume that most brothers and
sisters do.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
But I'm finding out in the streets out here, most
of them don't.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Know a few of those I can cite a few
of those. So great, you know, because it's one thing
this has happened to me too. Even in my podcast,
sometimes you say things that you wouldn't normally talk about.
It forces you to like extend the conversation past what
might be normal banter. I just wonder for you two,
like has anything come up as like, there anything that
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you've learned about each other or didn't know or uh, that's.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
A question with each other.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Wait, Angie, Angie.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
So we we get along famously, right, But just recently
we were on someone else's podcast and the question was
did you have a strict upbringing?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (03:22):
And me she was like, no, I don't think it
was strict, And I was like, yeah, mine was really strict.
And what I found is there are times when we
talk about things that happened to us in the past
that we both remember differently because it comes from a
different perspective.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
And that's been really cool.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
That's been really cool because I always just assume that
my sister sees most things the way I see, especially
in our own m Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, that's fun though, that's fun.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
It's really fun.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, yeah, I loved. I think it was the Amy
Polar episode.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
You were talking about how your daughters finally take advice
from you after you.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
You know, people waited a lit speak to hear the
great and jall Obama.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
I mean, the whole country was going high, like you
are great inspiration for so many women, especially and your daughters.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
For some reason, have you started Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
are not a prophet in your own home, even if
you are Michelle Obama. I mean, and that's the you know,
that's been the beauty of having kids through this experience, Angie.
Every you, every parent understands this. I mean, having kids
normalizes you, you know. I mean, and it wasn't just me.
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I mean, you know, you were sitting in the White
House and you know, Barack's day was the last day
they cared to hear about his day was the last.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Thing they wanted to hear, you know.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
I mean, we're sitting around, you know, they just killed
Osama bin laden or he's dealing with financial crisis, and
Malia and Sasha are like, let me tell you about
the gossip in fifth grade, you know, let me break
down this stuff. So no, we you know, we are
still their parents, and it until recently now that they
(05:17):
are adults in the world. You know, they are on
their own, they've graduated from college, they're holding down jobs.
Now our wisdom makes sense, right, I mean, now it's
like as.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
A mother, that must feel like a great accomplishment. Well,
you know we have earned that from that.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Well, now you realize they were listening, you know, And
I think we all go through that. I mean, because
as parents we do the best that we can all
throughout their days, and you know, growing up, we try
to make the best decisions. But deep down inside, you know,
all of us are thinking, I hope I'm not messing
this up. I hope I'm getting it right. I hope
these lessons stick. I hope I wasn't too.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Strict over here and not strict enough.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
And it's not until they're out in the world that
you see, if you're fortunate that oh my god, they
were listening. You know, it didn't feel like it when
they were fifteen, sixteen, But now I'm starting to see
them come into their full selves.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
And yes, it is a joy to watch.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
That is beautiful.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Will we ever one day hear them or see them
on the pod of them or the pod?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
What is it gonna take? What do we gotta know?
Speaker 1 (06:25):
You know, that would be fun. We've talked about it.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
You know, we may have some things in line coming up,
but I think you know our kids, you know, and
I think it's true for both Craig's kids and my kids.
They sort of like they want to make their own
way and they want to have control over how they
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show up in the world and when they attach themselves
to our stuff. I mean, we have an older daughter
who is in film, and you know, just because we
have a production company.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
You know, she's like, she would not do a project
with us if she got.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Paid millions and when her first short came out, if
she won an award for she didn't even use her
last name, Angie, I mean, and it was just like
I respect.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
That, you know, wondering I was wondering how you felt
about that.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Yeah, So look, they would be All of our kids
are storytellers.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
They got stuff to say.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
They are always invited, but I think we will leave
it to them to see if.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
And Angie, the best part about it, if we could
ever get them on. Is your last question about about
our kids listening to us? It would be great to
see my sister and me give out some kind of
opinion and then the eye roll coming.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
From our own kids right, like they would be like, oh,
listen to this. They never did this when we were
growing up. I mean, it would be fantastic content, right, And.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Misha and I, Malia and Sasha, and my two older kids,
Avery and Leslie sort of grew up together, so when
they get together, they are extremely funny. And then we
have two younger I have two younger kids who are
following right in the footsteps, and if we could ever
get them on, it would be really good content. But
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to Misha's point, I could see them be like, we're
not going on that.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Show podcast right?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Really before?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
So, what's been the most meaningful episode to you guys
so far? Do you have a favor?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
People ask me that question is when I'm always.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Like I can't answer. I know, really you know, and
I don't know how you can remember. I mean, it's
really hard.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
And I try to listen to all of ours so
that I know what I'm saying and don't want to
say the same thing over and over again. So it's
really hard. Except we did back in the summer that
an episode that just aired recently about losing our mom.
That's been the most meaningful for me up to this date.
(09:07):
And it was just me and Mish right, that was it.
It was just the two of us and we laughed,
we got choked up, we got sentimental, and it was
really moving at a time when we needed it right
because we were dealing with the grief still.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
We were dealing.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
With the loss and the missing her and talking about
how fun it would have been to have her on
the show and how she would we would have had
to talk her to talk her into being on, but
once she got on, she ended up being the funniest guest.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
We've ever had. Right, So for me, that.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
Would be the most meaningful. But I want to say this,
all of our guests have been tremendous and I have
to say I learned something new on every single episode,
so it's really been neat.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I love that that must have been a super just
a healing moment, so to be that abe free, because
sometimes hard things like that, it's it's uncomfortable for people,
especially when it's still fresh. You know, you're not ten
years down the line.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
When you have that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, you're you're you're still in it.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yeah, I'm sure that was required some vulnerability, like real deep, don't.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, it took us a second.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
I mean, you know that our team was you know,
they asked if we were ready, and it took us,
you know, like half a year after mom's death before
we could.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
We're both Craig.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
And I felt like we could have that conversation without
breaking down, you know. But it's also, I mean, it
feels good to be able to say out loud just
how much our mom meant to us, you know, to
give her that shine, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
So it's like she our parents are.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
The reason we are who we are today, and there
isn't a day that goes by that either one of us.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
That's something they have have told us.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Isn't ringing through our heads how we want to show
up in the world, you know, And it's just a
reminder of how powerful good parenting can be.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
And it doesn't take money, Angie.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
You know, our parents didn't they didn't have connections, they
didn't have resources.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
We were poor, the.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Same size as probably the studio.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, and so many times we
as parents, we think it's the stuff we give our kids,
and all of us we were raised with just the
opposite that if you have consistency, if you can hear
your child's voice, if you show love and and and
and create some boundaries. You know, I would just want
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parents out there to know, you know, that's that's what
good parenting is.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
It's not the stuff.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
It's not the you know, it's not the money because
because we didn't have any of it, and it's just
you know, it's just sharing those lessons because I know
there are parents out there who wonder am I doing enough?
And I think a lot of times we do too much.
And our parents were the kind of parents. They handed
us our lives. They gave us love and you know,
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they watched us grow, they allowed us to fail and
they you know, gave us unconditional love through it all.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
And that's what it takes. So that was a good
you know, it was a privilege to be able.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
To to give pay tribute to our mother.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
And it's so meaningful that.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
I mean a lot of the episodes, I think they've
landed really well, they're always on my feet. I think
the episodes landed well, that's a super meaningful one that
I'm sure resonate with people. But I wonder for you guys, like,
because this is something I battle with too. This is
the sea of podcasts in the world. Yeah, it's like overflowing.
Everybody's got a podcast. And to say, where do you
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find the purpose or the meaning or where do you
hope this podcast lands in this good.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Question in the sea of what's what's happening? I asked
myself that qua, Yeah, I have.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
To like reconvince myself that this conversation matters, it's worth it.
My perspective is unique, you know, my view or my
questioning is different, and so I always find those meaningful
ways to kind of like yeah, but for you guys,
I wonder what that is you know.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yeah, I think at least for me, Angie.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Me touched on a little bit, how has touched on,
She's touched on a little bit about how this is
like a tribute to our parents, right, so it's kind
of giving them those flowers. So that that's always a
nice thing. But man, in these times when people sort
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of me need something different. There, people are upset, they're distracted,
they're they're off center, wobbly. We just want to be
here the way our parents were there for us when
when we went through those kinds of times and gave
us some great advice and allowed us to achieve what
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we achieved. And then thanks to my sister's platform, we
can kind of use that to share that with folks.
So I just hope it's landing well. And like I
said at the outset, sort of getting the actual in person,
in time feedback from folks like you know, just you know,
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I still walk the streets with no bodyguards, right, so
I get I get that. So I want people to
come away feeling uplifted and impacted. You know, those are
two words that I think about all the time. And
and I just hope we're doing that. And and I
know mich knows this, but I can say this here.
She's been so impactful in her life, but especially in
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her time in the White House, and then after the
White House, people really hang on I won't say every word,
but they hang on a lot of her words. So
it's really nice to be here as a conduit to
help those words get out there so that the regular
person realizes, you know, this is just a regular girl
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from the South side of Chicago who made good and
now wants to give back.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
That's that's a really good feeling.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
So you think of this as as an offering, right,
like a give back. The podcast is kind.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Of a absolutely for sure for sure.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
And and Angie like, you know, there are sea of
podcast out there, but there's still a lot of white
white space, you know, because not you know, the podcast
can unity the demographics still there are there are a
lot of people who aren't you know, they don't feel
like some of these voices are for them, right, And
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there's still some spaces out there, uh for that where
people feel like they see themselves. So I agree there
there there's a lot out there, but there's still a
lot of voices, a lot of people, a lot of
perspectives and backgrounds where folks don't have access to these
platforms at least at the level that we do. And
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so my hope is also that we create we create
a voice out there that does feel somewhat unique to
people who are searching for a platform to find themselves
reflected in a way. And yeah, maybe it's a little uh,
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it's a little bit of hubris for me to think
that as the former first lady that people can connect
with me and my experiences.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
But I think that that's really the point, you know.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
That's for you to I think that's a proven fact
that people can your story.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
Yeah, I don't think it's humorous that that's a that's
a Robinson modesty coming out right there.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Yeah, that's why we love you.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
But speaking of content too, what's happened your production company too?
You did You've done a couple of great things already.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Yeah, we're we're having some fun on that side too,
you know, starting five. You know, you've got baroque side
of things. So he's you know, starting five and the
the the piece on the USA basketball team going for
the gold quart of Gold. Those are among my favorites
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that are out there because you know, my my brother
and my husband will say, I always complain about two
sports in our lives, but I am one for a
good sports drama.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I mean, I'm crying along with the audience, and so
we've got that.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
But you know, I've had my show that I've been
very involved in, which is Later Daters, which is a
dating show for so we're yeah, it's that was That's
been so much fun to do because guess what, you know,
people fifty plus and older like us, we're pretty dog
on fly. You know, I agree, and we ain't done yet.
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You know, we're ready to keep living. And I think
this show is that it's a reflection you know, but
you know, you know, but it's fun.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
So you know, we've got you know.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
With my moms the.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Best thing.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
So we're working on season two still, you know, waiting
to get the green light from Netflix, but we're hopeful
that you know, people have loved it and it's been
a fun part pro to work on. So we got
a lot of stuff in in the hopper for the
coming year. You know, we're learning about production and how
long it takes and finding good content. You know, this
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is a this is a business that's no joke, and
there's a long uh you know, lead time to get
stuff up and running.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
But it's it's been a fun.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Way to uh continue the process of sharing stories because
Barack and I still believe that that's how people are learning.
We're learning by seeing each other's stories. You know, people
don't want to be lectured to, they don't want to
be dictated to. The best way to get to people
is through the stories that they watch and seeing themselves
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depicted on screen in fictional and nonfictional ways. So it
has been a fun next chapter.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, I totally agree. I totally agree. What do you
guys inspired by?
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Like?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
What show are you watching? Are there any shows you
guys are watching right now? Or mandations?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Oh my?
Speaker 2 (20:02):
On Netflix?
Speaker 5 (20:03):
You know what, I'm angie, I'm saving that. Everybody has
told me. But because I've got some travel coming up,
and you know, I'm always you know, I want to
have some good I got some long trips and I
want some good watching. So the things that I really
really want to see I kind of save. But I
you know, I I watch all the all the reality
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TV stuff. I did the what was the uh see
this is this is my old brain.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
It's like, what was the name of that show? The
whey they were in Thailand.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
And h the couples Lo we have white Lotus, White
Lotus Lotus. Yeah, yeah, that that was fun. Running point
on Netflix was one of my favorites.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Oh uh.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
I love the documentaries that they have on Netflix and
some of the comedy specials. I'm a big fan of
Mark uh uh Burgates's stand up. You know, he's like
a regular dad and he's got a new special. It's
not brand new, but so my my range of watching
is like all over the place, everything from unscripted reality
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stuff to whatever is the hottest thing. I've finished watching Paradise.
I'm slow to that that was I was. I'm way
into Paradise, ready for the next season.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I love Hacks.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Hacks is one of my favorites with uh uh, it's
gene smart.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah you got a good watch. Yeah, oh yeah, I
just have to remember it.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
You know, Angie, Angie, you and I have jobs, so
we can't watch as much.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Oh Dad, this is.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Why you like that.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
I'd have to slap him in the back of his
head if he were close to me.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Does nothing.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
But she named so many more shows than I thought.
You go, dame. I'm just like, dang how can you
you have time for all this?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
You gotta find time if you guys are in the content, that's.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Right, that's right, boy, you better catch up. You can't
just watch the playoffs, my friend. That's because I am
not watching the.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Playoffs, and I'm not watching the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
The Knicks are playing tonight, Craig.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I know, I know, I know all that.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
She was about to get herself in trouble with your
audience right right.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Next playing tonight, guys, I.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Know I wish you all luck. You know, Craig worked
for the Knicks, that.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
Was his Angie knows, and you work for the nixt shoe.
We gonna be cheering them on.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
How about how you feel about tonight's game, Craig, how
do you feel what you got?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
So every time I watch the Knicks, I get nervous.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Especially in these in these playoff games, they play play better.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
On the road, So I'm nervous. I'm nervous. I'm nervous
that I'm rooting for those guys.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
And I you know, I love Indianapolis, Uh, Indiana. I
love Indiana, Indianapolis. I love the Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
But the Knicks have their their hands full because I
just the rotations too short for me as a coach.
I just they don't have enough uh bench. But I'm
I can't wait for this thing to get started.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Now. There's so much doubt in your statement, Craig.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
You will see Angie when you get to You got
to remember, I'm a coach, so I manage my expectations
to the negative because I want to be surprised to
the positive.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
But that's how you think as a coach. You're like,
what can go wrong? Wow, wowsy, wowsy, woo woo. I
want the record.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I want the records to show that I have Nixon five.
I want the records to show.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Okay, well, you're just you.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
You know, that's that's You're just a crazy person that's
irresponsible fired.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
It's like you're not even supposed to say that out loud.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
And I mean, that's just like, you know, I feel.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Like that's just a jinx. That's a that's a that's
too much of it.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Because I'm like pray too.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
I'm like, well, if you want somebody to win, you
better act like they're gonna lose.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
You know, my literal moniker is the voice of New York.
If not me, then who I am?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
This is what I'm okay, all right, Well.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
The White House and things were going bad, you are
still gonna be the positive. You were still going to
be the positive reinforcement for us.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Outwardly, yes, but internally this is bad, Yeah, but internally
you'd still have I'd go high in public and then
you know, I'd sit low sometimes around the kitchen table
and be like, what is going on?
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Hey? When you know, when you know how the sausage
is made, you are not.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
You never go in five, you never ever. But I pray,
Angie that you have not jinxed the Knicks.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Thank you for you, thank.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
You for your podcast, and I thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Too, and we thank you, Angie for you you.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
You are one of my favorite guests because you are
one of my favorite people. You know, you know what
makes for a good show. It is somebody like you
who is open and funny and honest and vulnerable. And
when our conversation airs, people will see that you brought
all that fire to our IMO, our IMO episode.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
So thank you, thank you for your love.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Honor to be on the show. It absolutely was.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Oh it's great getting to know you, Angie, and I
echo everything my sister has said, and we look forward
just visiting with you again.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Let's handle some business. So where where tell people? Give
them the info? Craig, you can probably either.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
One of you, Oh yeah, one.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Of your Is there anything you need to promote?
Speaker 6 (25:46):
Is?
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Where do they find it?
Speaker 6 (25:48):
You can find IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
anywhere everywhere you get your podcasts so there's no excuse
for folks not to listen.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
It'll be fun.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
We're having a blast, and uh, I get to and
aren't you supposed to.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Say, remember liking, subscribe, looking subscribe, Look, look, look at me, look.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
At me, look at it, look at her.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Okay, listen, I'm gonna let you go.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
But if the next one in five, I want at
least a voice note of for sure for you right,
I should have been okay, just sold, just for sure, nice, Okay,
you got it, you.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Got it so much.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Michelle Obama, Craig Robinson. I am a podcasts. We're all
podcasts are heard like
And g what's that eyes?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Hey mama, It's so good to see you both.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
It's great.
Speaker 4 (00:08):
Good for you, congrats, congrats on the podcast being in
the world.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's one thing to say you're.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
Doing it and then put it in the can and
you know people, but another thing when it goes out
into the world.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Listen, thank you you got us start it.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Oh that's very sweet. I can't wait till my episode
comes up.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Great, it's it's gonna be good.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I mean, I've been telling everybody that I know that
I am. I'm on your podcast. Very exciting over here.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
So what's what's the reception been, like, what's the initial
like feeling of putting this out into the world.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
You know, I have a little bit more experienced than
my brother does in putting you know, yourself out there.
I mean, writing two books. I've talked about how you
know when when you're working on a project that's very personal,
you're sitting with it for a long time.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Oftentimes, when it comes.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
To a book, it's a year or so you working
on it and reading drafts, and then it's published and
your first response is, oh, no, what did I say?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
You know?
Speaker 5 (01:12):
And it's like, so you know, I've gotten used to
getting over that hump, but there's always that bit of
oh my god, what did we say?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
What have we been talking about? But I don't know. Craig,
how do you feel you're not as used to it?
Speaker 6 (01:25):
Craig, Well, I would hold on on that one because
what I have that my sister doesn't have is because
that I'm a coach and I talk to the media
all the time. I get instant feedback good or bad,
immediately on my stuff. Right so, and I am more
(01:47):
in the public eye than Nichez on an everyday basis.
Right Like, I'm walking around, I got no security, I'm
going to the store, I'm coaching kids, I'm running into
people on the streets.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
And it's been fantastic.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
No I've been I've been to two different tournaments where
at least three people come up to me, men and women.
It's really neat, been neat and say hey, I'm listening
to you and your sister on your podcast. You guys
are doing great. It resonates with me. It's so nice
to see siblings who who have a great relationship. And
(02:22):
I say that because since Mesh and I have such
a great relationship, I always assume that most brothers and
sisters do.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
But I'm finding out in the streets out here, most
of them don't.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Know a few of those I can cite a few
of those. So great, you know, because it's one thing
this has happened to me too. Even in my podcast,
sometimes you say things that you wouldn't normally talk about.
It forces you to like extend the conversation past what
might be normal banter. I just wonder for you two,
like has anything come up as like, there anything that
(02:59):
you've learned about each other or didn't know or uh, that's.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
A question with each other.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Wait, Angie, Angie.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
So we we get along famously, right, But just recently
we were on someone else's podcast and the question was
did you have a strict upbringing?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (03:22):
And me she was like, no, I don't think it
was strict, And I was like, yeah, mine was really strict.
And what I found is there are times when we
talk about things that happened to us in the past
that we both remember differently because it comes from a
different perspective.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
And that's been really cool.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
That's been really cool because I always just assume that
my sister sees most things the way I see, especially
in our own m Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, that's fun though, that's fun.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
It's really fun.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, yeah, I loved. I think it was the Amy
Polar episode.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
You were talking about how your daughters finally take advice
from you after you.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
You know, people waited a lit speak to hear the
great and jall Obama.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
I mean, the whole country was going high, like you
are great inspiration for so many women, especially and your daughters.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
For some reason, have you started Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
are not a prophet in your own home, even if
you are Michelle Obama. I mean, and that's the you know,
that's been the beauty of having kids through this experience, Angie.
Every you, every parent understands this. I mean, having kids
normalizes you, you know. I mean, and it wasn't just me.
(04:46):
I mean, you know, you were sitting in the White
House and you know, Barack's day was the last day
they cared to hear about his day was the last.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Thing they wanted to hear, you know.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
I mean, we're sitting around, you know, they just killed
Osama bin laden or he's dealing with financial crisis, and
Malia and Sasha are like, let me tell you about
the gossip in fifth grade, you know, let me break
down this stuff. So no, we you know, we are
still their parents, and it until recently now that they
(05:17):
are adults in the world. You know, they are on
their own, they've graduated from college, they're holding down jobs.
Now our wisdom makes sense, right, I mean, now it's
like as.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
A mother, that must feel like a great accomplishment. Well,
you know we have earned that from that.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Well, now you realize they were listening, you know, And
I think we all go through that. I mean, because
as parents we do the best that we can all
throughout their days, and you know, growing up, we try
to make the best decisions. But deep down inside, you know,
all of us are thinking, I hope I'm not messing
this up. I hope I'm getting it right. I hope
these lessons stick. I hope I wasn't too.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Strict over here and not strict enough.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
And it's not until they're out in the world that
you see, if you're fortunate that oh my god, they
were listening. You know, it didn't feel like it when
they were fifteen, sixteen, But now I'm starting to see
them come into their full selves.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
And yes, it is a joy to watch.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
That is beautiful.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Will we ever one day hear them or see them
on the pod of them or the pod?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
What is it gonna take? What do we gotta know?
Speaker 1 (06:25):
You know, that would be fun. We've talked about it.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
You know, we may have some things in line coming up,
but I think you know our kids, you know, and
I think it's true for both Craig's kids and my kids.
They sort of like they want to make their own
way and they want to have control over how they
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show up in the world and when they attach themselves
to our stuff. I mean, we have an older daughter
who is in film, and you know, just because we
have a production company.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
You know, she's like, she would not do a project
with us if she got.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Paid millions and when her first short came out, if
she won an award for she didn't even use her
last name, Angie, I mean, and it was just like
I respect.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
That, you know, wondering I was wondering how you felt
about that.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Yeah, So look, they would be All of our kids
are storytellers.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
They got stuff to say.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
They are always invited, but I think we will leave
it to them to see if.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
And Angie, the best part about it, if we could
ever get them on. Is your last question about about
our kids listening to us? It would be great to
see my sister and me give out some kind of
opinion and then the eye roll coming.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
From our own kids right, like they would be like, oh,
listen to this. They never did this when we were
growing up. I mean, it would be fantastic content, right, And.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Misha and I, Malia and Sasha, and my two older kids,
Avery and Leslie sort of grew up together, so when
they get together, they are extremely funny. And then we
have two younger I have two younger kids who are
following right in the footsteps, and if we could ever
get them on, it would be really good content. But
(08:22):
to Misha's point, I could see them be like, we're
not going on that.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Show podcast right?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Really before?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
So, what's been the most meaningful episode to you guys
so far? Do you have a favor?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
People ask me that question is when I'm always.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Like I can't answer. I know, really you know, and
I don't know how you can remember. I mean, it's
really hard.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
And I try to listen to all of ours so
that I know what I'm saying and don't want to
say the same thing over and over again. So it's
really hard. Except we did back in the summer that
an episode that just aired recently about losing our mom.
That's been the most meaningful for me up to this date.
(09:07):
And it was just me and Mish right, that was it.
It was just the two of us and we laughed,
we got choked up, we got sentimental, and it was
really moving at a time when we needed it right
because we were dealing with the grief still.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
We were dealing.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
With the loss and the missing her and talking about
how fun it would have been to have her on
the show and how she would we would have had
to talk her to talk her into being on, but
once she got on, she ended up being the funniest guest.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
We've ever had. Right, So for me, that.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
Would be the most meaningful. But I want to say this,
all of our guests have been tremendous and I have
to say I learned something new on every single episode,
so it's really been neat.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I love that that must have been a super just
a healing moment, so to be that abe free, because
sometimes hard things like that, it's it's uncomfortable for people,
especially when it's still fresh. You know, you're not ten
years down the line.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
When you have that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, you're you're you're still in it.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yeah, I'm sure that was required some vulnerability, like real deep, don't.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, it took us a second.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
I mean, you know that our team was you know,
they asked if we were ready, and it took us,
you know, like half a year after mom's death before
we could.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
We're both Craig.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
And I felt like we could have that conversation without
breaking down, you know. But it's also, I mean, it
feels good to be able to say out loud just
how much our mom meant to us, you know, to
give her that shine, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
So it's like she our parents are.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
The reason we are who we are today, and there
isn't a day that goes by that either one of us.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
That's something they have have told us.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Isn't ringing through our heads how we want to show
up in the world, you know, And it's just a
reminder of how powerful good parenting can be.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
And it doesn't take money, Angie.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
You know, our parents didn't they didn't have connections, they
didn't have resources.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
We were poor, the.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Same size as probably the studio.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, and so many times we
as parents, we think it's the stuff we give our kids,
and all of us we were raised with just the
opposite that if you have consistency, if you can hear
your child's voice, if you show love and and and
and create some boundaries. You know, I would just want
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parents out there to know, you know, that's that's what
good parenting is.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
It's not the stuff.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
It's not the you know, it's not the money because
because we didn't have any of it, and it's just
you know, it's just sharing those lessons because I know
there are parents out there who wonder am I doing enough?
And I think a lot of times we do too much.
And our parents were the kind of parents. They handed
us our lives. They gave us love and you know,
(12:15):
they watched us grow, they allowed us to fail and
they you know, gave us unconditional love through it all.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
And that's what it takes. So that was a good
you know, it was a privilege to be able.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
To to give pay tribute to our mother.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
And it's so meaningful that.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
I mean a lot of the episodes, I think they've
landed really well, they're always on my feet. I think
the episodes landed well, that's a super meaningful one that
I'm sure resonate with people. But I wonder for you guys, like,
because this is something I battle with too. This is
the sea of podcasts in the world. Yeah, it's like overflowing.
Everybody's got a podcast. And to say, where do you
(12:57):
find the purpose or the meaning or where do you
hope this podcast lands in this good.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Question in the sea of what's what's happening? I asked
myself that qua, Yeah, I have.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
To like reconvince myself that this conversation matters, it's worth it.
My perspective is unique, you know, my view or my
questioning is different, and so I always find those meaningful
ways to kind of like yeah, but for you guys,
I wonder what that is you know.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yeah, I think at least for me, Angie.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Me touched on a little bit, how has touched on,
She's touched on a little bit about how this is
like a tribute to our parents, right, so it's kind
of giving them those flowers. So that that's always a
nice thing. But man, in these times when people sort
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of me need something different. There, people are upset, they're distracted,
they're they're off center, wobbly. We just want to be
here the way our parents were there for us when
when we went through those kinds of times and gave
us some great advice and allowed us to achieve what
(14:22):
we achieved. And then thanks to my sister's platform, we
can kind of use that to share that with folks.
So I just hope it's landing well. And like I
said at the outset, sort of getting the actual in person,
in time feedback from folks like you know, just you know,
(14:47):
I still walk the streets with no bodyguards, right, so
I get I get that. So I want people to
come away feeling uplifted and impacted. You know, those are
two words that I think about all the time. And
and I just hope we're doing that. And and I
know mich knows this, but I can say this here.
She's been so impactful in her life, but especially in
(15:13):
her time in the White House, and then after the
White House, people really hang on I won't say every word,
but they hang on a lot of her words. So
it's really nice to be here as a conduit to
help those words get out there so that the regular
person realizes, you know, this is just a regular girl
(15:34):
from the South side of Chicago who made good and
now wants to give back.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
That's that's a really good feeling.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
So you think of this as as an offering, right,
like a give back. The podcast is kind.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Of a absolutely for sure for sure.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
And and Angie like, you know, there are sea of
podcast out there, but there's still a lot of white
white space, you know, because not you know, the podcast
can unity the demographics still there are there are a
lot of people who aren't you know, they don't feel
like some of these voices are for them, right, And
(16:11):
there's still some spaces out there, uh for that where
people feel like they see themselves. So I agree there
there there's a lot out there, but there's still a
lot of voices, a lot of people, a lot of
perspectives and backgrounds where folks don't have access to these
platforms at least at the level that we do. And
(16:35):
so my hope is also that we create we create
a voice out there that does feel somewhat unique to
people who are searching for a platform to find themselves
reflected in a way. And yeah, maybe it's a little uh,
(16:57):
it's a little bit of hubris for me to think
that as the former first lady that people can connect
with me and my experiences.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
But I think that that's really the point, you know.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
That's for you to I think that's a proven fact
that people can your story.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
Yeah, I don't think it's humorous that that's a that's
a Robinson modesty coming out right there.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Yeah, that's why we love you.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
But speaking of content too, what's happened your production company too?
You did You've done a couple of great things already.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Yeah, we're we're having some fun on that side too,
you know, starting five. You know, you've got baroque side
of things. So he's you know, starting five and the
the the piece on the USA basketball team going for
the gold quart of Gold. Those are among my favorites
(17:54):
that are out there because you know, my my brother
and my husband will say, I always complain about two
sports in our lives, but I am one for a
good sports drama.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I mean, I'm crying along with the audience, and so
we've got that.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
But you know, I've had my show that I've been
very involved in, which is Later Daters, which is a
dating show for so we're yeah, it's that was That's
been so much fun to do because guess what, you know,
people fifty plus and older like us, we're pretty dog
on fly. You know, I agree, and we ain't done yet.
(18:31):
You know, we're ready to keep living. And I think
this show is that it's a reflection you know, but
you know, you know, but it's fun.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
So you know, we've got you know.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
With my moms the.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Best thing.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
So we're working on season two still, you know, waiting
to get the green light from Netflix, but we're hopeful
that you know, people have loved it and it's been
a fun part pro to work on. So we got
a lot of stuff in in the hopper for the
coming year. You know, we're learning about production and how
long it takes and finding good content. You know, this
(19:11):
is a this is a business that's no joke, and
there's a long uh you know, lead time to get
stuff up and running.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
But it's it's been a fun.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Way to uh continue the process of sharing stories because
Barack and I still believe that that's how people are learning.
We're learning by seeing each other's stories. You know, people
don't want to be lectured to, they don't want to
be dictated to. The best way to get to people
is through the stories that they watch and seeing themselves
(19:43):
depicted on screen in fictional and nonfictional ways. So it
has been a fun next chapter.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah, I totally agree. I totally agree. What do you
guys inspired by?
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Like?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
What show are you watching? Are there any shows you
guys are watching right now? Or mandations?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Oh my?
Speaker 2 (20:02):
On Netflix?
Speaker 5 (20:03):
You know what, I'm angie, I'm saving that. Everybody has
told me. But because I've got some travel coming up,
and you know, I'm always you know, I want to
have some good I got some long trips and I
want some good watching. So the things that I really
really want to see I kind of save. But I
you know, I I watch all the all the reality
(20:26):
TV stuff. I did the what was the uh see
this is this is my old brain.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
It's like, what was the name of that show? The
whey they were in Thailand.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
And h the couples Lo we have white Lotus, White
Lotus Lotus. Yeah, yeah, that that was fun. Running point
on Netflix was one of my favorites.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Oh uh.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
I love the documentaries that they have on Netflix and
some of the comedy specials. I'm a big fan of
Mark uh uh Burgates's stand up. You know, he's like
a regular dad and he's got a new special. It's
not brand new, but so my my range of watching
is like all over the place, everything from unscripted reality
(21:15):
stuff to whatever is the hottest thing. I've finished watching Paradise.
I'm slow to that that was I was. I'm way
into Paradise, ready for the next season.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I love Hacks.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Hacks is one of my favorites with uh uh, it's
gene smart.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah you got a good watch. Yeah, oh yeah, I
just have to remember it.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
You know, Angie, Angie, you and I have jobs, so
we can't watch as much.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Oh Dad, this is.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Why you like that.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
I'd have to slap him in the back of his
head if he were close to me.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Does nothing.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
But she named so many more shows than I thought.
You go, dame. I'm just like, dang how can you
you have time for all this?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
You gotta find time if you guys are in the content, that's.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Right, that's right, boy, you better catch up. You can't
just watch the playoffs, my friend. That's because I am
not watching the.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Playoffs, and I'm not watching the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
The Knicks are playing tonight, Craig.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I know, I know, I know all that.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
She was about to get herself in trouble with your
audience right right.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Next playing tonight, guys, I.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Know I wish you all luck. You know, Craig worked
for the Knicks, that.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
Was his Angie knows, and you work for the nixt shoe.
We gonna be cheering them on.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
How about how you feel about tonight's game, Craig, how
do you feel what you got?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
So every time I watch the Knicks, I get nervous.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Especially in these in these playoff games, they play play better.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
On the road, So I'm nervous. I'm nervous. I'm nervous
that I'm rooting for those guys.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
And I you know, I love Indianapolis, Uh, Indiana. I
love Indiana, Indianapolis. I love the Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
But the Knicks have their their hands full because I
just the rotations too short for me as a coach.
I just they don't have enough uh bench. But I'm
I can't wait for this thing to get started.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Now. There's so much doubt in your statement, Craig.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
You will see Angie when you get to You got
to remember, I'm a coach, so I manage my expectations
to the negative because I want to be surprised to
the positive.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
But that's how you think as a coach. You're like,
what can go wrong? Wow, wowsy, wowsy, woo woo. I
want the record.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I want the records to show that I have Nixon five.
I want the records to show.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Okay, well, you're just you.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
You know, that's that's You're just a crazy person that's
irresponsible fired.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
It's like you're not even supposed to say that out loud.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
And I mean, that's just like, you know, I feel.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Like that's just a jinx. That's a that's a that's
too much of it.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Because I'm like pray too.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
I'm like, well, if you want somebody to win, you
better act like they're gonna lose.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
You know, my literal moniker is the voice of New York.
If not me, then who I am?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
This is what I'm okay, all right, Well.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
The White House and things were going bad, you are
still gonna be the positive. You were still going to
be the positive reinforcement for us.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Outwardly, yes, but internally this is bad, Yeah, but internally
you'd still have I'd go high in public and then
you know, I'd sit low sometimes around the kitchen table
and be like, what is going on?
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Hey? When you know, when you know how the sausage
is made, you are not.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
You never go in five, you never ever. But I pray,
Angie that you have not jinxed the Knicks.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Thank you for you, thank.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
You for your podcast, and I thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Too, and we thank you, Angie for you you.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
You are one of my favorite guests because you are
one of my favorite people. You know, you know what
makes for a good show. It is somebody like you
who is open and funny and honest and vulnerable. And
when our conversation airs, people will see that you brought
all that fire to our IMO, our IMO episode.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
So thank you, thank you for your love.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Honor to be on the show. It absolutely was.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Oh it's great getting to know you, Angie, and I
echo everything my sister has said, and we look forward
just visiting with you again.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Let's handle some business. So where where tell people? Give
them the info? Craig, you can probably either.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
One of you, Oh yeah, one.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Of your Is there anything you need to promote?
Speaker 6 (25:46):
Is?
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Where do they find it?
Speaker 6 (25:48):
You can find IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
anywhere everywhere you get your podcasts so there's no excuse
for folks not to listen.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
It'll be fun.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
We're having a blast, and uh, I get to and
aren't you supposed to.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Say, remember liking, subscribe, looking subscribe, Look, look, look at me, look.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
At me, look at it, look at her.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Okay, listen, I'm gonna let you go.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
But if the next one in five, I want at
least a voice note of for sure for you right,
I should have been okay, just sold, just for sure, nice, Okay,
you got it, you.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Got it so much.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Michelle Obama, Craig Robinson. I am a podcasts. We're all
podcasts are heard like
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