04-10-24 Hour 2 of Broncos Country Tonight

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to it Broncos Country tonight.But with all Bride, Dick Ferguson,
Grant Smith over here looking like arube. You can get yourself a pair
of eyewear. You can't. Idon't need corrective lenses. No, the
lenses are not. My lenses arenot corrective. Do they help you see
better? Well? They help mewith the screen and looking at my phones.

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They correct the blue lights that's comingin, Yes, they they they
the glare that's coming in that couldimpact my eyes. It's not that I
can't see the screen in front ofme. I said, you're trying many
fingers. I'm not holding up rightnow. Lookme, horns. I need

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to get us some more correction inthose just saying it. See you're trying
to pull a Ryde Edwards man.Get around him too long. I could
never have idea what you're talking about. It is uh. It is time
though, to go out to theKay commingsparre of the hot Line, to
bring on our favorite guy and goinside the numbers. Inside the number is
with Ryan Michael. Always love havingRyan on the show. Ryan the contributor

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columnist at the Pro Football Hall ofFame and the Unofficial official utofficial statistician here
at Broncos Country tonight. Ryan,how you doing tonight? Well? Then,
Nick, how are you guys?Yeah? Doing pretty well. These
guys are both wearing glasses now,and I didn't get the memo, so
I feel a lot less intelligent.But after we get a chance to talk
to you, I will be completelycaught up on all things intellectual. I

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will walk around quoting statistics with mypinky raised as I as I take drinks
out of a mug. I willdo my best, but I myself am
not wearing glasses, so I mightfall short tonight. Well you know what,
I don't even know if we couldtrust this data anymore. I'm just
saying, if you put out somegood stuff out there on Twitter. I
saw even Will Lut's got a chanceto repost some of it. We're looking

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for some positive statistics. You know, we've been talking a lot of a
lot of negative things to said theother. One of the positive statistics,
Will Lutt's highest field goal percentage inBroncos history at eight eight point two percent,
surpassing Jason Woman three oh seven andone. What else do you have
for us? Not a bad year? So yeah, and that's really been
the idea, right. I alwaysfind that the period between the beginning of

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free agency and the start of thedraft, it's I get a little impatient,
like, what is there really totalk about? Because if I have
to read another mock draft, ifI'm going to pull the hair out of
my head. I don't think youneed. I don't think you need any
more than one mock draft. Yes, So what I did was I did
a dig inside the numbers to reallygive a little bit of spotlight and love

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the guys who are already in thebuilding, already in our rosters. So
in no particular order, some ofthis is trivia, some of this is
really efficiency on the field. Butwanted to acknowledge our guys for what they've
been able to do. So I'llstart with Portland Sutton and right now he's
sitting at four thy two hundred andfifty nine receiving yards as a Bronco.
That means he's oney one hundred threeyards away from moving from seirteenth place into

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surpassing Emmanuel Sanders in tenth place,top ten all time and receiving especially for
a franchise's historic is the bronch goesis no small feat, so I'll be
rooting for him to get as manyyards as humanly possible. From an efficiency
standpoint, Quarterbacks mostly rust last yearproduced a one hundred and twenty point two
passer rating when targeting sudden. Sothat included two perfect passer rating games,

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right, because one hundred and fiftyeight point three is the highest the formula
will permit. So there was aone to fifty eight point three game in
October against Green Bay, another onefifty eight point three in November against Minnesota,
and a one to fifty six pointtwo in December against LA So with
that being said, obviously we lookat we'll call the sudden and he's a

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wide receiver, but he can't throwthe balls himself. We don't know what
the Bronco is going to do atthe quarterback position, but the idea is
that they're going to bring someone in. But the guy who is QB one
at the moment is Jared's Didham.As things are currently constructed, what kid
we as Broncos fans expect for fromJAREDS Didham if he does emerge are the

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starting quarterback this season? What kindof stats can we are we looking at?
Well, I think the first questionwe have to ask ourselves is how
are we going to replace Russell Wilson? And I understand that the perception of
how well he played last year there'sa bit of a spectrum to that where
there are some people I would considermyself on this end of the spectrum.
I was impressed with what he wasable to do given the situation, and

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there are the people who felt thathe fell short, didn't live up to
his contract. What I can tellyou is this, he threw twenty six
touchdown passes in fifteen games, andhis five point eight percent touchdown percentage was
number one in the AFC Patrick Mahomesthrough twenty seven and sixteen games, he
had a four point five percent touchdownpass percentage that was good for fifteenth in
the NFL. So you're looking ata guy who produced Mahomes level touchdown passes,

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a guy who led the NFL infourth quarter comebacks, a guy who
finished eighth and passer ratings. Soask yourself, who is going to be
putting up Patrick Mahomes level touchdown passes, leading the league in fourth quarter comebacks
and finishing top and inefficiency as apasser, Whether it's Jared Stidham, whether
it's anybody we draft, those aregoing to be some pretty big shoes to
fill. So looking at Jared,we have a one hundred and ninety seven

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attempt sample size, not a verybig sample size, it's also not nothing.
So what we've seen so far inhis career a fifty nine point four
percent completion percentage that's low, afour point one percent touchdown pass percentage unremarkable,
an equal four point one percent interceptionpercentage that's pretty bad, and a

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seven point two yard per attempt averagethat's around league average. So if we're
going to channel the optimism that youbring to the table, nick on,
what I did was I adjusted hisnumbers and say he moves his completion percentage
up to sixty three and a halfpercent, Say his touchdown pass percentage moves
up to four point three, Sayhe cuts down on the pick significantly,
two point five percent interception percentage,maintains that same seven point two yards per

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attempt average. What you'd be lookingat is about thirty six hundred yards through
the air, twenty two touchdowns,thirteen an inndy eight point eight passer rating,
which would have been good for twentyfirst in the League last year.
Essentially, you'd be looking at DerekCarr from twenty twenty two, right,
he had thirty five twenty two interms of yards, twenty four touchdowns,
fourteen picks in an eighty six pointthree passer rating. I think that's about

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the ceiling of a leak what wecan expect from Jared Steadim Miffy starts all
seventeen games. But is it Imean, is there something to be said
for continuity? You're having continuity onboth sides of the football. Is it
there as an expected I don't know, production boost from both sides the ball,
and that could theoretically lead to morewins, even if those aren't eye
popping numbers. I think it couldbe, and I think that we're going

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to see that hopefully as far asthe team as a whole, because we're
going to be entering in year twoof the Sean Payton regime, so I
expect on offense we're going to seea little bit more of a Sean Payton
system. Right, So we're talkingshort to intermediate passing, game timing,
rhythm, quick release, shack avoidance, which is truly a skill. It's
something that Drew Brees was proficient atIt's not something that Jared Sidham has done

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well in his brief limited time.I'm a little bit more excited to see
what Vance Joseph is able to doon the defensive side of the ball with
that continuity, because I look atCoach Joseph as a guy who high football
IQ. He's a player's coach.He's a guy who I think has had
the misfortune in his career, whetheras a DC or a positional coach.

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He's been paired with some pretty toughrosters, but he's had support around him
when he's had good players to workwith. The twenty eleven Houston Texans finished
fourth in points surrendered, the twentytwelve Texans finished ninete. When he was
coaching the DB's in Cincinnati in twentyfifteen, they finished second in the league
in scoring. So I think withVance Joseph getting the opportunity to implement his

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system and kind of build upon thatcontinuity, I think that we're going to
see a significant jump on the defensiveside of the ball. Last year,
the Denver Broncos defense didn't do toowell against the run, and obviously we
can go back to the game againstMiami, said well, those those particular
numbers from that game skewed everything after. But the Broncos historically have had issues

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slowing down the Raiders. Now theymade somewhat of a roster adjustment the season,
bringing over Foreman, saying to MalcolmRoach, how does his presence on
the d line changes how the Broncosplay against the run this season? For
me personally, the signing of Malcolmis my favorite free agent signing move at
Denver May during the offseason, andper Pro Football Focus, we're talking about

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a guy who finished last year rankednumber one in the NFL amongst interior defensive
linemen, and runs operate at seventeenpoint four percent. And if you look
at the Saints defense as a wholelast year, one of the things that
they were good was slowing down therun. They finished tie it for fourth
in the league and rushing touchdowns allowed. They only gave up ten and eighth
in the league in rushing exp whichis an efficiency metric per Pro Football Reference.

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So I looked to Denver. Wefinished deadlines giving up five yard per
carry on the ground, so wewere thirty second, but thirty second by
a considerable margin. I think pluggingMalcolm into the d line is going to
do tremendous benefits to the Broncos rundefense this year. Yeah, and they
need that. I mean a lotof that rushing was from the disaster against

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Miami last year, but still evenfactoring out that game, the numbers were
still not good at all across theboard. You know, one of the
things that I think we haven't reallytalked about is the impact that Josh Reynolds
is going to have on this offense. You know, with what he brings
to the table, the experience ina successful offense up there in Detroit and
what he was able to do,how big an impact do you think he
can have in his first year inDenver. He's a fantastic signing for the

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Broncos. I mean, we're talkingabout a guy who last year, part
of an explosive offense, finished secondon the Lions in terms of receptions.
He had forty receiving yards to eight, and he led Detroit with fifteen point
two yards per reception. So ifyou look at the league in totality,
factoring in the postseason, he actuallyfinished with fifteenth point four yards perception for

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eleventh in the NFL. A monthswide, receivers. So when you consider
how competitive that position is, he'sdefinitely a deep game passing threat that's going
to open up and expand things forwhoever the Broncos plug into the QB one
spot. Now I have a thingas crossed for brock Bauers, but I
know, statistically speaking, tight endsdon't really go that high as twelve in

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the draft. But if the Broncosdon't go in that direction and they don't
pick up a tight end, whatwill guy on the on the roster currently
on the roster right now could stepup and we can see maybe not just
his impact but his overall receptions changefor the team. I think that Adam

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Troutman has the potential to return tothe form that he had between twenty twenty
to twenty twenty two. So duringthat particular window, his cap percentage was
seventy four point one percent. Thatwas six in the NFL amongst tight ends.
It gets considered in Denver last yeardown to sixty two point nine percent.
But I think as Sean Payton hasthe opportunity to implement his system with

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his guy, be it Jared Stilland be At Bonix, be anybody else
from the draft if we're not ableto pick up Brock Bowers and then I
know, the odds of him beingthere at twelve, even if we would
take him all is no certain thing. I do think that Adam Drubman has
the potential to return, perform andmake them plays on the offense. Yeah,
I'm not sure Brock will be there, but that would be that would

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be an interesting weapon. Uh.When you look at this, somebody,
it is interesting because the other dayI was I was talking with somebody online
and they were talking about the needfor you know, for receivers. I'm
like, actually, that that roomis pretty stocked. Now there's a difference
between stacked and stocked. That thatvow that one vowel makes all the difference
in the world. But it doesn'tfeel like that that pass catchers, at
least not at the receiver position orI said, but the tight end position.

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It does feel like that they coulddefinitely use somebody there, whether that's
a Bowers or maybe you know thekid out of Kansas State Bens or not
that helped make this offense go.Yeah, it's going to be interesting to
see what they do. I don'tthink that we're going to get Bowers at
twelve more do I think that wewould take them at twelve if he fell
that far, But it really yourguess is as good as anybody else's.

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I think that if we if we'rereally focusing on the guys that we have
on the roster right now, it'sworth giving Adam Troup minishaw because he played
some good football at that position fora good three year stretch, so I'd
like to see him get back toit. I think the biggest question of
the second biggest question outside of who'sgoing to be starting on the center,
not just in twenty twenty four,but just long term, is what can

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fans expect from with Sean Payton's offensein the second year. The reason I
asked that question because Russ was inhis first year of his understanding on this
offense, and you just right itoff his stats. But Stidham is coming
back and he would be in hissecond year. So what can we expect
from Sean Payton's overall offense in yeartwo? I think that it's going to

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depend a lot upon how dominant thedefensive because if you have a defense that's
shutting offenses down the way we didin twenty sixteen, right, there was
a reason why we could afford tohave Trevor Simions start as many games as
he didn't still end the season witha winning record. So if we're having
greater success on defense, I thinkwe can take a little bit more chances
on offense. If the defense strugglessimilar to what we went through last year,

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I think we're going to see alittle bit more of the conservative passing
game out of Sean Payton. He'sa guy who likes to have full control
over the offense that he runs,and there's a reason why he let Russell
Wilson go despite some of the impressivenumbers are shared at the beginning of the
segment. Yeah, I'm looking forwardto this coming season. I feel like
that this is going to be,you know what, Sean Payton his vision.
I guess it's going to be hisvision, and I mean I'm interested

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to see, you know what thatlooks like. Because the all the coordinators
that ran that offense are here inDenver now, you know, I mean
Labardi got fired with the Chargers,that with Kellen mord now they got a
hold his staff over there. PeteCarmichael obviously let go in New Orleans,
so that they can run the Shanahanoffense. So it's interesting to see that
this brain trust come back together andwhat it is that they're going to be

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able to put together. Do weexpect to see something different than what we
saw over the course of those yearsin New Orleans? You know, I
don't think that it's reasonable to assumethat we're going to see success on the
offensive side of the ball comparable towhat we had in New Orleans because you
had a first ballot future Hall ofFamer and Drew Brees. You also had

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some talented players, especially towards theend of Drew's run right in the form
of Michael Thomas and Alvin Kamaras.So right now, we're doing the best
we can with the roster that wehave, and I'm impressed with what some
of our guys have been able todo during various splits. But it's not
reasonable to assume, whether we're talkingjared'stid him in year two or drafting anybody,

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even if somehow we trade it upand took a JJ McCarthy, you're
going to be looking at a completelydifferent style of roster. And so if
we are a poor man's version ofwhat Drew Brees was able to produce a
New Orleans I would consider us veryfortunate, but I wouldn't set the bar
that high. We really have totake it one year at a time,
right, what's a realistic scoring percentagefor the Broncos this season? With everything

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being as it is now and justkind of the optimism and the hope that
maybe year two would be much better. What are we looking at as far
as an average total per game offensivelyfor this Broncos team. That's really a
tough thing to say because last yearwe finished the league nineteenth in scoring,
despite the fact that Russell Wilson ledthe AFC in touchdown pass percent So if

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we're able to get a little bitmore production on the ground, obviously that's
going to bring balance to the offenseand open things up for the passing game.
But I would say that our goalshould be to finish somewhere around league
average. We'd love to lead theleague in scoring, We'd love to be
the twenty thirteen Broncos again. ButI think that if we can get somewhere
close to league average, or startto be right towards the gate of being

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a top ten offense, that wouldbe the optimistic side of what we could
hope to expect twenty four. Well, Ran, we we always appreciate it.
Look forward to to seeing what youcook out for us next time.
All right, sounds goodciate you guyshaving done absolutely take care. Ryan Michael
at the Ryan Michael on Twitter,columnist and contributor for the Pro Football Hall

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of Fame. And you know,we always always get excited and surprised to
see what it is that he youknow that he brings here to the show.
Uh, when we come back,I want to get into a little
bit more about this this draft stuff. The guys on the KWI Sports show
had Merril Hodge on today about thisquarterback class and he is way way more
down on it than a lot Ithought I was down on it. Oh

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my god. So when we comeback, we get a lot of audio
from that. Good chance to reactto it. This is the Broncos Country,
k Welcome back to it, BroncosCountry tonight, Benjamin Albright, Nick
Ferguson, Grant Smith here with you. Every year we do we rank.
We spend a show or segment ofshows ranking the different positions for you and
our personal rankings. Everybody else hasgot their own rankings out there, so

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you guys can follow along. Butwe're gonna do quarterbacks tonight. We'll get
around the running backs, receivers,all that kind of stuff before the draft.
Just uh, just coming up here, but I wanted to get into
the quarterbacks. Lead it off withthe quarterbacks. And you know, I
was listening earlier to the KI Sportsshow. Meryl Hodge was out there,
and I thought I was down onthis quarterback class relative to everybody else.

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But I'm not. I'm not asdowt as Meryl Hodges. Great man,
John. You know, I watchedevery one of his games in the last
two years, the best game,and I would call this a marginal game.
There is no way I'd put afirst round grade on him. There's
no way we're going to draft himin the first especially in the top five.
Now, Meryl, you you alsotalked a little bit about Caleb Williams
and what kind of leader you're gonnahave. Just because he runs around,

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he's exciting, which is not askill set, by the way, does
not mean you can play in theNFL. And just because he is extremely
does not mean he's going to playin the National Football League. I actually
like Jayden Daniel. I think froma processing accusy aspect and the system that
he played in somewhat some pro flavorsto it. You actually see a kid
that I think has the best skillset, the best total skill set transition

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to the NFL of all the guys. Shoot McCarthy, He's not a first
round draft pig Well Nicks is nota first round draft gig. Panics is
not a first round draft gigs.I respect Brol Hodge, I really do.
I think he puts in the work. I don't necessarily agree with his
conclusions, but I respect his process. If that, uh, if that
makes any sense, and I don't, I'm I'm down on this class,

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but I'm not. I'm not thatdown on this class. You know,
like we're you know, there's nomoney, there's no hope, all is
lost, you know, I'm not. I'm not that dude. Well,
that's it. I figure you andI can get into it. Nick chopping
up a little bit of here,Grant as well. Do we all have

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Katla Williams that I'm one quarterback inthis class? Yes? No? Okay,
oh right off the bat, Well, I'll say they'll be preface this
before we get into it. Ihave two quarterbacks that I would I would
bet the job on, you know, That's what That's what I always say,
like, there's two guys like thatI would bet my job on if
I were an NFL head coach.There's two guys in this class I think
are going to be starters. Ithink it's going to be long term starters

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in this league. So with thatsaid, obviously I've given away who I
have at number one. Grant andI both have Caleb w Here's at number
one. I'm assuming you have whoI have at number two at number one,
But tell us who's your top quarterback? Nick, My top quarterback is
Jayden Daie. Yes. And thereason I say that is because Jaydane has
proven that he can play in themultitude of different systems, right when Caleb

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Caleb is basically playing in the samesystem. And that's not I'm not trying
to throw shade at him, butwe're breaking down quarterbacks and when you come
from the college game to the progame, you're gonna be dealing with a
different system. You're gonna be askedto do bevy of different things. Try
to get your skill set to fitinto what that coordinator has been able to

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do. And then knowing as thoughJayden jumped from the PAC twelve to the
SEC. Now, that might notseem like it means anything, but to
me it does because when we thinkabout football and the SEC, we're talking
about better interior players, better skilledplayers. So when you jump from the

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PAC twelve to the SEC, you'redealing with those guys up front that are
coming hunting you and looking at whatJaden has been able to do as a
passer and as a runner, thatis the dynamic skill that you need,
in my opinion, to play intoday's game. Yeah, I have Jayden

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number two, so we can jumpright into it was these two guys in
this class. I bet on it'sKaleb Williams and Jade Daniels. I love
what he's. My knock on Jayden, he said, just the frame,
it's a little thin. You don'twant to guy, Oh, well,
I mean his frame is thin.He's thinn He's had to bulk up to
like two ten. Bulking up totwo ten as a problem. You need
to be about two thirty to bea quarterback in the NFL. Two twenty

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five to thirty. Oh you don'tyou need. I mean, but listen,
the same thing was said when JoshRosen and Lamar Jackson came out.
It was Bill Polian who had yearsof experience in the front office, and
there was a difference between those twoplayers at the combine. One was let's
just say two ten and one mighthave been two thirteen. This is me
just kind of over exaggerating just alittle, but just to give you a

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difference visually of the difference between theweight and jo Josh Rosen was presumed by
some to be I mean at firstthey hit and Lamar was said to,
oh, you know what, heshould go play another position. He should
work out as a wide receiver.But Josh didn't have it upstairs like that
wasn't his frame wasn't what limited him. But you go back and you look

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at quarterbacks that have had to massivelybulk up and look at the injury history
they've had, and guys like Tua, guys like Sam Bradford, guys like
that then had that thin frame.Marcus Mariota, it had those thin frames.
He tried to you know, that'sthe one thing that concerned I'm not
saying it's a disqualifier. I stillsay that jad and Daniels is an all
world talent, but it is onething I'm concerned about. I am.
I'm worried about. He's he's alittle skinny. Yes, what's up with

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that picture of his elbow? He'shead burstitis in the elbow. It's just
that creeps me out. Yeah,one picture. It's not an issue,
but right, yeah, that onepicture. Gosh, I don't know if
you've seen the one with his elbowlooks all crazy or whatever. It looks
like aliens bright the jump out ofit. La Lamar. By the way,
weigh too tan. I think itwas too ten at the combine right

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now. He put on fifteen poundscents then, And you can do that
with a good strength and conditioning program. You can you can do. My
question is is how much can Jaydonreally put on with that frame? But
we'll see. I'm not I'm notjust counting it. It's just it's just
one of the concerns that have aboutthat should not be something to automatically knock
a kid down. I'm not tryingto knock him down. He just trying
to. I'm putting my concerns outthere. I don't put concerns out there

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front. I mean concerned about Pix'sin If you play this game and you
play it at the quarter, whatplay a period injuries can be? Can
can rock up playing the quarterback position, being in the wrong scheme, behind
the wrong offensive line? Yeah,you could get sacked fifty five times,
right, you could lead the leaguein sacks like Justin Field did with the

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Chicago Bears a year ago. ButI know here's what individuals say, Well,
he has tendency to hold on tothe ball. Damn right, He's
a mobile quarterback, so he's goingto extend the play because that's within his
skill set, right, And that'sthat's I mean again, my just concern.
My concern with that is if yougot a guy that's gonna take that

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many hits, and there's there's achance he might because he does like to
take off with a little bit too. It's you know, if you got
a thing I need to and I'mnot privy to the medicals, so I
just have this thing up here,like I'm saying, hey, look,
I'm concerned that that he's a littlefin that's my that's a knock on him.
But I'm not trying to use thatto like say we can't draft him.
I'm just saying, hey, weneed to. We need to assure
ourselves that that's not going to bea problem for it. I can tell
you this, whether you ten toten or whether you two thirty, I've

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seen both of those types of quarterbacksget injured. Yeah, injuries come to
me, Injuries come for everybody.I'm just my my thing is I'm you
know, you better learn how toslide. Well. Lamber makes some businesses
like Lamar makes some business decisions sometimes, and he does a really good job
with that. That's why he justhe doesn't take as many hits. You
know. There there is a solutionfor the so called weight issues. We're

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going to bring in uh a baseballcoach, and we're gonna teach you to
slide. Are they the judo coachlike they did for two or whatever?
You know, we all have Caleband Jade number one and two. Yes,
okay, all right, So thisis where it starts to get interesting
at three. This is this isfascinating to me because I think it it
depends on what it is that youwant in how the and how you view

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this next whoever's third on your list? I have j j. McCarthy.
I think the upside's there. Ithink he's got all the tools. I
think you just need to be patient, and I think you need to You
need to have somebody that's willing tobe patient with him because it's going to
take them in to get there.The thing about and I'll do my three
and fourth same time so you cando your three and fourth save I have
Drake May fourth. The thing aboutDrake May I don't like is when it
gets noisy in the pocket like that, dude, he even panics both the

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tape, they fold. Dude,when it gets when he gets money around
their feet, they fold. AndI don't like that at all. These
aren't guys that are that are greatwith pressure. And if you're seeing bad
habits at the collegiate level, itdoesn't suddenly magically disappear when guys get bigger,
stronger, and faster and able topressure quicker at the pro game.
See I'm following you right now,because my three and four it's Bo Nix

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and Michael Pennis, Okay, Andthat's okay. So so the reason why
I look at it that way,because I look at both of these guys
competed heavily against each other all seasonlong in the Pact twelve, right,
and you look at how both guysthrew well from the pocket. Now,
Michigan kind of exposed Michael Penicks justa little because he is your to me

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pure pocket pass if you want tolook at it that way, and getting
him to move his feet proved tobe a problem, and that's why Michigan
kept bringing pressure at him. That'sthe thing that bugged me at that Panix
when he had the pro day andhe had a four four forty and all
this, and I'm like, whereis this on tape? Though, Like,
he doesn't use it? The guyhad what he rushing attempts all a
year or whatever it was. Hejust doesn't he doesn't use that. No,

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he doesn't. But he had torun that forty just to prove the
teams. Hey, listen, myknee is good and it's not a knock
against him that he ran that.I'm just saying the tape doesn't show.
You know, he's running Lamar Jackson'sspeed, but there's no the tape done
shoulder. But here's what he wastrying to prove because everyone put him in
the box as far as being apocket pass. As I said, he
wanted to prove that. Guess what, I can make those off schedule plays

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too. Look look look at myspeed. You haven't seen me do it,
but I'm capable of doing it,and he did at times. By
time there's a play and I can'tremember who was a Gainst, I was
watch on tape where he ends up. You know, he ends up going
leaving the piet. He's headed towardthe right sideline. He comes all the
way back to the other sideline runningand then finally puts it up and I
think it was a dum in theend zone. It makes it makes a
great touchdown catch there. But youknow, he did use the speed at

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times to buy himself some time,But he was It was the interesting thing
about me about both those guys,but Nicks and petis both when you watch
them on that both of them areget rid of it quick. They did
not necessarily stick with a play andlet it develop. It was a lot
of what both those guys did wasone read, see it, throw it,
We're done. You know. WithNicks it was usually short stuff and
with Panics it was usually deeper.You know. I got one on one

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with the dunes. I'm going on, I'm going outside once again. When
we look at these quarterbacks, itall depends on what's your flavor of the
month. If you are a fanor offensive coordinated that wants to take shots
down the field, Michael Penix isyour guy if you want someone to kind
of kind of slowly matriculate things downthe field. Both Knicks can be that

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type of guy. And it's funnybecause the comparison for Knicks was somewhere between
like you know, car and Keenum. You know, I mean, he's
got a stronger arm the case,but if you have a schedule offense and
all that kind of stuff, andhe'll keep you on schedule and be that
guy. The Panics comparison, everybody'slike, well, who are you compon
Penicks to? You know what Comptonto Joe Flacco. Now, obviously he's
got better wheels than Flacco and coulddo all that kind of stuff, But
in that kind of offense, that'sthe offense that he fits. A deep

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bombs, I'm gonna be throwing withdeep ISOs, that kind of stuff.
That kind of offense suits him thebest. You're absolutely right, and this
is why we break down these guys. It goes back to what kind of
scheme that you are drafting them toand how well not the player and his
ability to adapt to the offense,how can offensive coordinate his adapt to that

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particular plan. So I understand thewhole comparison with Joe Flacco because even though
Joe Flacco is not that mobile inthe pocket and says he knows that just
like quarterbacks before before him, Breeze, Brady and Manning, anticipation and ball
placement has to be impeccable. Andthat's what you basically getting into Michael Pennocks

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union, right. And I'm notsaying there's not a place for him.
I just don't see with with nexRepenix, I don't ce day was.
I'm honestly Drake may Evans. Idon't see day one year one type starters.
I see guys that you're gonna haveto get them time in your system,
get them adapt to get them developed, all that kind of stuff.
Whereas I think potentially McCarthy could startyear one, I think you're not starting
day one, Jayden and Caleb.I feel our guys are You're probably coming

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out of campus the starter. Youfeel like it's gonna help Pennis because he's
going to be either super late firstround or second round. He could go
to a good team and get intoa you know, that's a big thing
too, is he's going to begoing to a team that has some pieces
around it already instead of one ofthese teams that's picking top three. I
mean maybe, and I don't think. I don't think either one of those
guys are going the first round.I will see. I still don't believe

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Penox Wardenicks are going to the firstAnd I know a lot of players,
especially quarterbacks, they want to beable to say that they went in the
first round, they went in thetop five. But what history has proven
in the NFL, you don't needthat to happen to emerge as a top
player because if you drafted in thetop five, right, the level of

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expectations go up. Just think aboutwhat draft analyst said about Zach Wilson when
he came out after his pro day, and then look at what the situation
he's in with the Jets now.If he was taken in the second round,
not as much pressure. And it'snot about when you go once again,
it is where the hell you go. There's also a balance to that

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too, though, because yeah,if you go in the second round,
there's not as much pressure, butyou're also not going to get as many
opportunities. You got to make themcount when you get opportunities. You know,
I get that, And I knowthis may sound like a loser's mentality
saying, well, no, Idon't want to go in the first round.
I'd rather go in the second round. The idea is that one you're
in the league, and I'll say, what we saw from Brock Purdy should

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be somewhat of a benchmark of whatthe capabilities are as from for a quarterback,
if he's in the right system,if he's surrounded with talent, and
the offensive coordinator, the guy who'scalling plays, take his ego every move
it out of the equation to sayit's about the player, not about me.
Well, think about Russell Wilson whenhe started his career right you know,

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a right place, right time.Yeah, beat out Matt Flynn,
who they brought him for a bunchof money. Yeah, they paid Matt
Flynn to come in and met Flynnever got it. He was the highest
p spectator on this out of Seahawksteam, and he got the bag.
Good for him. Yeah, Russellwils Was said, not bro I got
this, And there's something to besaid for that. There is something to
be said for not having the pressurethen coming in and and pressing. But
that's that's also rare. And ittends to general managers who spend those premium

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picks on guys tend to want todo everything they can to see him succeed.
I you know, there's been veryfew. It's it's becoming more common
now, but it didn't used tobe very common that the teams would give
up on guys that they're just cut. They'd be like, this guy ain't
it and just cut bay. Theywould give him chance after chance. I
mean, Packton Winch hung around herehow many years and we knew we knew
it for one year. He wasn'tlike I mean, you could tell he
was the guy. Drew Locke takenlater. Didn't get that many opportunities.

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Yeah, I mean, you know, I Drew's an interesting case that.
I mean, we had the wholebit thing going on here and all that
kind of stuff. I like Drewas a person. Drew talking to Drew
makes you want to strap the padson, go play football like he does.
He's that dude. He's just fun, right, and I think the
fun got beat out of him.But Drew was also a you know,
a high variance quarterback. He didn'tsee it as as quickly as he needed
to, had all the tools inthe world, had a rocket for an

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arm, but didn't see things asquick as he needed too. And that
that's sort of heard him. Especiallyin the West Coast System stuff. They
had him, Uh, they hadhim running early. I think you go
back and look guys like Nick Foleswho were drafted a little bit later,
you know, got the opportunity tocome along. I think those are those
are the things that I would Iwould point to. I mean, everybody
points to Tom Brady, but that'ssuch an outlier. That's a ridiculous outlier

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that I don't know, It's likewith the Rock Party outlier. Yeah,
I mean, you know, youdon't really know where to go with that.
But guys that got chances beyond whatthey should have. I mean,
you go back through History's were litteredwith him. Kyle Bowler, remember Kyle
Bowler, I remember JP Lossman.And you see guys now they you know,
they give it a say it JoshRosen. You know, I mean

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that the Arizona Cars literally went backand drafted Kylo the next year. But
I'll say something about Rock Purdy becauseI did bring him up, and there's
a reason I brought him up becauseI actually had an opportunity to speak with
someone who really knows football and thosequarterbacks, and what they pointed out there
was something very unique about Purdy,even though he didn't go to one of

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these top elite schools that kind ofpushed out quarterbacks. It was just small
things about his game, right,the ability to anticipate, having poise in
the pocket. Sometimes those things supersedemaybe size, speed, and on talent.
And that's why Purdy did so wellbecause he was able to do exactly

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what Kyle wanted him to do.He had the anticipation, she had all
the other things that you can't coach, Yes, the intangibles and stuff.
That's what I called the Josie Jewelfactor. Right, Josie, you look
at his athletic profile and you're like, man, this guy, what were
we doing even trotting him out there? But Josey had such great instincts and
vision and just just you know,not that right, who happens to be
a Hall of Fame linebacker. Yeah, and that that's you want quarterbacks that

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have that that kind of factor thatthat I can anticipate it. It's interesting
if you ever go back and watchPeyton Manning talk about it. His first
year in the league, Peyton wasstill a Sea It throw a guy,
which is why he was throwing somany picks. Right, you can't be
a Sea It throw a guy inthe league and get away with it long
term. Russell is like the onlyguy that who's gotten away with it long
term. Right. You have tobe anticipatory. You have to throw the
ball knowing where your guy is goingto be. And watching Peyton evolve into

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that over the years, uh wascertainly fascinating. He was in Nebroncos Country
tonight. Ka