07-10-24 Hour 1 of Broncos Country Tonight with the OG Ryan Edwards

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Welcome back Broncos Country Tonight. BenjaminOlbright here with you. Grant Smith producing
five six sixty nine zero is thetext line, you guys wanna stick around.
We've got my recorded session with RyanEdwards coming up here and in a
segment or two. Always love gettinga chance to talk to Ryan about about

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everything that's going on. Miss missmy Boy. Programming note. Tomorrow night,
Broncos Country Night, we'll be backon the air for a full live
show beginning at six pm myself NickFerguson. Nick's already been been texting me
and making sure the building's still inthe same place. The station hasn't changed
the format. It's been been awhile since we had a full live show

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that has him on, so itgonna be good. And then of course
the All Star break next week,we gonna have quite a bit of opportunity
to have live shows as well,so looking forward to that. Five six
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you click a little red microphone.We love having those as well. So
looking forward to all that, Ido want to get into a couple of
things that are sort of newsworthy.One of them is interesting to me,
and maybe it's not as interesting toyou guys, but it's interesting to me
that has come across my desk today. First of all, Zamir White posted

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a picture of himself working out inthe off season and dude looks jacked like
looks jacked right. But beyond that, there's kind of a funny story that
is going on right now. Obviously, with the departure of Josh Jacobs,
it'll be a huge opportunity for ZamirWhite, and some people are betting that

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he is going to make the mostof that opportunity. More bets have been
placed on White to lead the NFLin rushing yards then any other player at
bet MGM. White has received twentyseven percent of all the bets to be
the league's leading rusher. Forty threeand a half percent of all the money
wagered on the player to lead theleagues has been bet on White. Now,

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these are long shot bets because White'sodds are plus three thousand, and
what that means for those of youwho don't bet, is that anytime it's
a plus number, that's the numberthat you would profit by betting one hundred
dollars. One hundred dollars you getif he wins, you'd get three thousand
dollars back plus the original bets,so thirty one hundred two. So the

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books don't expect White to actually leadthe league in rushing, but betters sure
do. Is again, twenty sevenpercent of all the bets and forty three
and a half percent of all themoney. That's some big boy wagers to
have those kind of numbers like thatAt thirty to one odds. White,
of course, was the twenty twentytwo to fourth round pick out of Georgia
by the Raiders. He has fiveone hundred and twenty one rushing yards in

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his first two NFL seasons, buthe came on. He had a good
showing late last year when when Jakewas missed the last four games of the
season, and I had one hundredand forty five yard game in Week sixteen
over the Chiefs, one hundred andtwelve yard game and Week eighteen over the
Broncos. So those are those arekind of interesting to give you an idea
of some of the other running backs. And keep in mind plus three thousand

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odds on Zamir White. The favoriteaccording to the sportsbooks specifically bet him jam
is Christian McCaffrey at plus three hundredto lead the league. So that means
if you've bet a hundred, you'dwin three hundred plus your money back four
hundred dollars totll rpe Jonathan Taylor atplus four hundred, Sakuon Barkley at plus
five hundred, and Jets running backBrace Hall at plus seven point fifty.

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Those are those are kind of consideredthe favorites. But the Samir White thing
is just hilarious to me because bettersee plus three thousand, He's had a
couple of big games, and youknow, if if that happens, you
could see some people really take thesports books sort of the woodshed on this
thing. So I thought it wasfunny. I thought it was an interesting
an interesting story, especially when youpost that picture. At first, I

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thought the picture was driving people tobet, you know, to bet him
up or something like that. Andapparently this has been going on for a
little while now, so there's moneyout there, and there are people out
there that think that Zamir White standsa legitimate shot at leading the NFL and
rushing, and the books absolutely don'tthink so and continue to list him at
at plus three thousand. I wantto point out another story, excuse me,

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in the AFC West, as wecontinue to kind of go over the
AFC West, is that the KansasCity Chiefs, who are Super Bowl winner,
can't seem to get the public behindthe idea of building them a new

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stadium or renovating Arrowhead where they obviouslycurrently play and played for a long time.
A lengthy article appearing in the KansasCity Star leads with the idea that
Jackson County, Missouri residents who overwhelminglyrejected the continuation of a sales tax to

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finance stadium renovation and construction earlier thisyear, are going to be asked to
do it again. Jonathan Patterson,who is the Missouri House Majority leader and
presumptive next Speaker of the House therein Missouri, predicted that there will be
another ballot initiative, saying, quote, I do think before this is said

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and done, Jackson County is goingto have another vote. The powers that
be believe a public vote is legallyunavoidable. They want funding to come from
Jackson County. The Jackson County Legislatorlegislature would have to approve that, delaying

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really kind of any government action rightnow or upcoming primaries in Missouri which will
lead to, among other things,a new governor. Patterson expects more attention
to be devoted to the Chiefs andRoyal stadium situations after those elections, which
will be next month August. Hesaid, there's so much uncertainty with all
the statewide offices in the state Senate, so once we know who's in these

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positions, I think we'll have amuch clearer picture of what we can accomplish.
Patterson believes that a second vote wouldhave a different outcome, and he's
basing that on the fact that thestate of Kansas has mobilized to poach one
or both teams. By both teams, I mean the Chiefs and the Royals,

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I don't know that. I don'tknow that. I believe that the
voters were smart enough to know thatKansas was going to try to lure them
across the border back in April andstill wasn't nearly enough to come close to
winning that only forty one percent ofvoters voted to approve the measure. I

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guess it's also possible that Missouri governmentcould come up with a solution, but
I guess it'd be hard to pullthat off without a contribution to the effort
from Jackson County itself. And itseems as if there's no way to get
Jackson County money without putting the questionto Jackson County voters. And that continues
to be sort of the biggest disconnectnationally when it comes to stadium financing.

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Voters will consistently say no to freemoney for billionaires who can afford to pay
for their own stadiums. Elected officialsare far more inclined to defy the will
of their constituents in order to avoida far more permanent blemish on their political
records. Patterson was also quoted assaying, whoever is the next governor,
they're gonna have a choice to make. I think it would be very difficult

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for a new governor to be theone that lost the Kansas City chiefs.
Although, to be fair, ifKansas does do that, it's not like
they won't. They'll just be overacross the border in Kansas, and I
don't think I lived in Kansas City, Missouri, and I don't think the
residents would particularly cares as far asthat kind of stuff goes. So,
you know, I don't know.It's it's got to be frustrating if you're

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living there and you voted for this, and you overwhelmingly voted, excuse me,
voted against this. You overwhelmingly votedagainst it, and now they just
keep putting it back up for avote, hoping you'll eventually get tired of
the issue and they can ram itthrough. But it may bring mirth to

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Broncos fans to know that, eventhough they have been atop the division and
winning Super Bowls of late, thatthe Kansas City Chiefs are mired in yet
more off season struggle as they cannoteven get a tax build to get their
stadium refurbished in the vote. Idon't know if you guys have watched Hard

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Knocks or not. I harp onthis because it's it's funny, because you
know, I was. I said, I'm not gonna watch it. I
barely watch it anymore, and Idon't, but I sort of have had
the Giants situation on in the background. Probably you know, I happen to
know coach Stable, so that's youknow, that's sort of a thing.

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So I got, you know,kind of checking in on that. And
I guess, uh, there's acouple of the things that have stood out
for me. It's it's been mostlykind of me and just background noise for
me, and it's you know,sort of whatever. But in one specific
scene, the Giants peeled back thecurtain to a very important aspect of the

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NFL and really all professional sports,which is which is good for the audience,
it's not silly, good for theGiants or any other team in the
league office. But the scene kindof exposes, with surprising nonchalance, the
game that gets routinely played when it'stime to talk to the media. The
truth is irrelevant. What matters isthe message, And after episode one,

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the disconnect between general manager Joe Shane'sinternal comments about running back Saquon Barkley and
the Giants decided well before the combinethey weren't going to use the franchise tag
again and Shane's comments publicly, specificallyto Pro Football Talk Live at the scouting
combine that all options were on thetable. The second episode thus far includes

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a glimpse into the the pr strategysession aimed at ignoring reality and coming up
with a comment that serves the team'sstrategic purposes. Shane, who's talking to
Senior Director of Football Communications Dean Dargan, says that he's just going to come
out and say, like, alloptions are just on the table still with

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Saquon, We're going to talk tohis people and I'm not going to say
we're not going to franchise him.And then you cut to the press conference.
Shane is specifically asked if the franchisetag is off the table for Barkley,
and Shane says at the presser quote, I wouldn't say the franchise tag's
off the table. I mean it'sI think the new number if we're going

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to franchise somebody for the first timeat that position is like eleven point nine
million, and his number is notmuch more than that. So the salary
cap changes your philosophy and how you'regoing to attack things, So that's not
off the table now. Later,Dargan gives Shane some advice about the potential
interpretation of body language, which couldbe a useful way to spot if somebody's
telling something other than the truth,and the whole thing is presented as usual

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and normal. The narrator prefaces thesegment by saying that general managers don't take
to the podiums without a plan,and it sort of underscores how common that
this kind of strategic obfuscation is inmany high profile businesses. It's never about
telling the truth. It's always aboutdeveloping and sending and reinforcing a message,

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and the truth is sometimes accidentally toldwhen the if the preferred message intersects the
truth, it's it's not necessarily aright or wrong thing. It's just it's
just part of the game. Uh. And on certain subjects, I guess
truth kind of creates problems if you'reyou know, especially if you're trying to
negotiate. But this is this issomething that I've talked about at length before,

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and Ryan Edwards and I have havedisagreed on at times. It's the
value of the press conference, youknow. I don't even go to them
hardly anymore because there's just nothing ofvalue there. The team's going to give
you the message. They they're fartoo practiced and polished at this, And
I think that's something that people needto remember. Fans and media take the
things said in press conferences and interviewsthat face value, and the Barkley remarks

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from Joe Shane prove that it's youknow, there's BS lurking around every corner,
and it's practice BS. It's it'sa part of the strategy. You
know, Uh, it's it's it'sa feature, not a bug. And
so you know, kind of keepthat in mind the next time you're watching
a press conference that it delves intodelicate subject matter and all that kind of

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stuff, and you'll kind of sortof start to see that, you know,
there's there's a message. And theeasiest way to do this, the
easiest way to tell if there isa narrative or a message is that there
are many people on the local beatpushing the same thing or saying the same

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thing, or source says that youknow, and it's all the same thing
with some very similar verbiage. Thatkind of stuff you can tell right away
at that point because there's not randomlysuddenly just a bunch of sourcing inside Dove
Valley. That is volt you know, they're all these different people and they
happen to be volunteering the same messageto reporters, that's that's not a real

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thing. And so I would justcaution people to be a little more skeptical
of press conferences and you know sortof things like that that are public on
the record type comments. That's whyit's interesting to me, like people are
like, if you can't put aname and a face on the source,
then what are you doing? ButI mean being honest here, the reality

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is more often than not, theanonymous quotes are the more legitimate ones.
And let me preface that by sayinganonymous quotes to legitimate media outlets, because
you get a lot of and I'veseen in recent days guys that are saying
they have an anonymous source or anonymousquote and it's made up. There's a

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lot of that now in the eraof Twitter, with you know, blue
check marks that anybody can go outand pay for it and all that kind
of stuff, there are a lotof outlets that will just make things up.
You see a lot of those kindof aggregation accounts on Twitter, things
like mL Football or NFL Notify thatare absolute fiction. Like those those accounts

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make up reports all the time.And so I would say that if somebody.
If you see a quote and it'san anonymous quote, it's it's like
to one of those type accounts orto somebody you've never heard of. I
would treat that with a healthy amountof skepticism. But if you see an
anonymous quote and it's given to somebodylike and I'll exclude myself here, so
you guys, can you know Imean, if you take if you hear
me give an anonymous quote, itcame from a player or a coach or

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front of it, you know itcame from somebody. I'm a I work
for a team partner, like Ilegitimately can't make something up. I get
caught right away, and that wouldbe the end of it, despite what
people say on the internet. Butif it's like Mike cliss or you know,
Troy Rank or Chris Thomason, oryou know somebody that Parker Gabriel that
works the beat and really works thebeat, then those those anonymous comments and

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sources are from relationships that they developedand you can trust them. I you
know, whatever value people gat froma press conference, the only thing I
take from press conferences, Oh,this is the message the team wants to
push, This is what they wantto do. This is this is what
they want to get across to thefans. And so you know when you
see everybody repeating or regurgitating a certainphrase or narrative or whatever, that's why

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the team wants to push this particularthing. This is the thing that they
want out there for whatever reason.Whereas you know, something that maybe less
flattering comes across from the anonymous sourcetype may be something that is a little
bit more real. And we havenow a peek behind the curtain with the
New York Giants and the Saquon Barkleysituation where we can sort of see the

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Giants were never going to do anyof those things for Saquon Barkley, even
though they were lying through their teethat press conferences to reporters trying to ask
the question. So you are listeningto Broncos Country Tonight right here on KOA
say fifty am ninety four one FMNews Talk Sports. Welcome back to it
Broncos Country Tonight. Benjamin alright herewith you, Grant Smith producing, And

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as I promised, our pre recordedsegment with one Ryan Q stands for Quincy
Edwards was going to happen. Sowe're happy to have him in here now,
Ryan Q. Edwards, how's itgoing, Jamariqui? Right? No,
no truth to the rumor that themovie John Q is loosely based on
you, Ryan Q. Not notanything he isn't it? Yeah, it

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was like it was close the ballpark, vowels, consonants and cares, any
of that kind of stuff. Areyou. I'm doing well, man,
I'm doing well. It's good togood to see your smile and face.
I get to have a full liveshow tomorrow nights, as opposed to hey,
the partial lives or the the prerecordedstuff. So I'm getting pre stoked
by that. Nick needed to bereminded how to get to the building.
I've been so long, So wehad to send a team of bloodhounds out

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there to sniff a trail. Imean, what what do we do before
GPS? Right, Boord? Wedo before Google Maps? I have no
idea. I don't remember something aboutk for the trafficper maps and yes we
did did that, but even thatwouldn't tell you how to get to iHeart
necessarily, right, Yeah, didyou ever have that the fold up maps,
the book of the Book of Maps. Well, when the band went
on tour, it was pre gps. Wow, yeah, we just had

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maps. And then what we dois we haven't stopped. Tom in the
van didn't have one of those yet, but I think they were out.
We just couldn't afford it. Andthen so what we do is we would
stop at like coffee shops and bythe way, print map quest, Yes,
print out map quest. See howyou the stack of printouts? And
you never went to the library becausethey charge a ten cents of page.
You had to go somewherehere the printerwas free and just burden through that toner.

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It's brutal. So we we'd stopand we we'd research where we're gonna
go next, and then yeah,print everything. Did you have a preferred
Was map quest the best or weused at that time. It's funny,
like I was thinking about this theother day, because we used to.
When I was a kid, wetravel a lot, like we did.
We went around and travel and solike we had that, we had books
of maps. We had books ofmaps and we would take them with us

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and my parents fighting up in thefront of the car over you know,
I an, well, it's astupid We should have taken a left at
the red road and the blue,you know, and are we north?
Are we look at? Where's thesun? Where's the sun? You want
to talk about the best things technologyhas brought us. It has brought us
piece. You know. Now youjust have to fight over what music you're
listening to. That's it. That'sall. It's a you know, or

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podcast or whatever you're you know,you're not fighting overs you know and call
each other stupid for not being ableto read a map or what. You
know. We're not talking about howmany clicks out we are from from the
destination. It's right, there isthis white salt dot right here. Once
you pass that, it's the nextone. I don't know, you know,
it's yeah, those days were somethingelse, bag phone, all that

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kind of stuff. Luckily, luckilytechnology has has certainly increased a lot of
news out there right now. Broncos, Firs and some uh, some workouts
down there at tc And it's interestingto me because the headlines on all this
is that Jared Stidham is conducting workoutsdown at TCU G one, which is
yes, stillwater, which is whichis true. He is hosting them,

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he does live down there, andmaybe this is solely because he's got a
house. He's the old you knowthat kind of thing. Uh whatever.
But bo Knicks is down there too, that's not getting mentioned by anybody.
Is that odd? Is that somethingthat piques your curiosity is? Did you
think that's by design? What isit with because normally when you do these,
there's only one quarterback there, andthen you got all the you have

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two quarterbacks down there, a thirdone sach Wilson is uh surfing the internet
on certain websites or something. Idon't know, he's on his honeymoon.
But you know, I see yourpoint. I guess I'm trying not got
milk campaigns. Sorry, sorry,sorry, gosh, yeah, I interest
stand saying. I mean I sortof expected it because they said before they

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broke after Minutetary mini camp that dressedto him would be the one organizing.
And some people have tried to readinto a wol could have been anybody that
really organized this, even even boNicks. Right, But you're a rookie,
right, I mean it's your firsttime the building. I don't have
those lofty of expectations. Now,if he was the number one overall pick,
there wasn't really any other incumbent quarterbackin the building. Maybe that's a

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little bit of a different thing.But I think because Jared Sidam is the
incumbent, right, and even myCliss framed it that way. Yeah,
he's the incumbent. He's the guythat was here for the previous year.
He has a better, a longerstanding relationship with all of those guys that
were down there. It only madesense that Jared Sidham is the one that
organized this. And it's not anindication of anything for me. It's not
anything where well, this is clearlyhe's the alpha and bo Nix is not

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the guy because he's joined now.I think it's great that he's involved,
and you're right, usually it isthe quarterback, right, which is when
Russell Wilson, now he invited thebackup quarterbacks or anybody else, right.
So this case, it's the rightmove. It's the same thing that I
look at when it's like Zach Wilsongiving the number ten to Bo Nicks,
Right, Jared Sidham is like,hey, we know you're the first round

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pick. We know inevitably this thing'sgoing to be turned over to you.
We're going to do our best toset you up for success. I think
it's more suggestive that bo Nix isin line for this job that he is
doing interesting because and then the factthat it's not mentioned. So I think
that Jared Stidham was just sort ofthe facilitator. He is the veteran.
He is the guy who had therelationships. As you pointed out, that's

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at a stute point, and he'sgot the permanent residence. He's known these
This isn't a guy who's been inten practices with these guys and barely knows
him. This is a guy hasbeen in the locker room with him for
a full season, been through allthis. Hey guys, let's get together.
I got all your numbers, Igot all this kind of stuff.
I got the you know, Igot the connections. Let's make it work.
I think that he's setting the tablefor Bo. It's interesting to me
because the only other odd sort ofpre season workouts with quarterbacks that that I

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remember is Mark Sanchez the Sanchiz NoTrevor Simeon there, and then Trevor Simon
comes out and gets a job,whether he deserved it or not. Again,
that's another one of those things.He was certainly cheaper, and you
know there was that I remember whenpeople wanted to pay him after three games
too. There were there and therewere prominent people in Denver media lamb basing
me on Twitter for lamb basing themfor wanting to pay Trevor Simon after three

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games. A lot of things weresaid, you know, we can't go
back, you have to go bang. Probably Ryan is deleting tweets right now.
I might have been one of thosepeople. I mean, look that
Cowboys win community. Note your tweetthat Cowboys which you could do though,
which yes, that Cowboys woind waspretty significant. That's what I'm talking about.
After there were people that were talkingabout throwing all the money, throw
him in the bag, all thiskind of stuff. I'm like, bro,

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it's been three games. Nobody hadtape on this guy. Now all
of a sudden they do, andsure enough everybody figured out, O,
yeah, he drifts in the pocketand it's easy to sack. This is
the thing, like, like,yes, you ended up being on the
right side of that. There areplenty of things that you've been being on
the right ste There's plenty of thingsif you've been on the wrong side.
I can't call one ever in thehistory of I muting your micros you want
me to. I've knowed you longenough I can start listing them as you
want me to. But but Iwon't do that because we we don't have

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long enough in this segment. Butmore than anything, you know, Trevor
Simmon, at the time, there'sjust a sort of anticipation of Okay,
are we seeing the beginning of whatcould be a promising career? And and
and you at that point you weresearching for your future. But again you're
right there, there's go back tothere's a reason he's taken the seventh round.

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I remember being on the air atthe time, and I'm not saying
I for sure said that you shouldpay Trevor Simeon, but I think we
entertained it. I think he entertainedthose conversations because you start to think about
that, like if players start toplay to a certain level and then you
say, well, do you wantto be on the short side of that?
You know, Jordan Love is anexample of a guy boy. You
would have liked to maybe give himan extension before he kind of came out

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last year and popped. And thennow he's gonna make top quarterback money.
It's gonna happen I think you waita little on that. I think you
need another repeat of that, andthen you're happy to if he is the
top quarterback again, then you're justhappy to pay top quarterback money at that
always what it is. But I'mjust saying like, and you know,
Jalen Hurts another example of that,right, I mean that's you paid him
and then all of a sudden yousaw the drop off last year is to
drop off a blip. I mean, the man knows the tape says he

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can't he the tape says he can'tdo anything with cover zero defenses. When
you when you put heavy pressure andgo man, he can't do anything.
It was awful. Like you goback and I can show you some some
data on that, and he's gotan entire offseason to work with h and
a better offensive coordinator because I justpromoted a quarterbacks coach who looked lost and
so there are there are asterisks tothat. But like I said, with
Jordan Love, I think at thispoint, yeah, I mean, you

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would have liked to have paid youknow, a known, but I think
you give it one more season withJordan Love here, and you're like,
okay, was the last eight gamesthe real story was the first eight games,
the real story. What's the realstory here? We're gonna find out
this year and go from there.And I think that's that's one hundred percent
of the right way to do it, no no doubt about it. I'm
just saying, like these situations arealways very fluid, and in that moment,
it's easy to get sort of caughtup. Now back to bon Nick's
for a minute. I see yourpoint about setting the table for him.

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Jarson him, like everybody that playsin the NFL, he's going to be
competing his ass off to get thisjob right right. He wants, he
wants to be the starter. He'snot gonna give it to Boni, There's
no doubt. But he said he'sdoing the thing that guys like Aaron Rodgers
and Tom Brady didn't do, yesfor the Protogs with them, and that
is set the table for him.I mean, or Peyton Manning even you
know Peyton Manning was set the tablefor brock Osweiler. No, he was

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grabbing his helmet rushing out there onthe field, so couldn't take his snaps.
He wasn't given Jim Sorghi time toget on the field. No,
he wasn't. And that's what Ithink is a good thing. I think
it speaks to some of the coachingsfrom the culture that they're trying to build
right now. I mean, thefact is, this could be a situation
where, like I give the example, Zach Wilson already claimed the number ten,

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he could have said, Nah,I'm coming here to win the job,
and I'm giving my number to thefirst round rookie. I'm not doing
that nonsense and say he's like,no, it's cool, man. This
might be a one stop on mytour for back to Startdom, or maybe
I stick around and I can winthe job. But either way, I'm
not gonna make my first impression doingthe wrong thing. Right, and the
same thing here with Jerry's Sidham.I'm not gonna invite everybody out there,

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and then, you know, intentionallybecause I think we spend this the other
way. Right, If for somereason Jered Sindham didn't invite Bonis, right,
we don't see Bonus out there,then there are a bunch of questions
about that, and they're like,Okay, is this like does Bonis need
to have his own separate camp,Like should he be doing something different.
I think this is the absolute rightthing to do. The expectations for the
Broncos are so low right now,like the league wide, even some people

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locally. The expectations are so lowright now. The best thing they can
do is just work and work togetherand try to put out a good product
and made the best person win thejob for the quarterback. There's still a
lot of questions about this team besidesquarterback. But I liked the optics if
nothing else, because it just showedthat they are as a group trying to

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just get better. That's what Iliked. I the expectations are low for
the Broncos, curiously low at thesports books. Not a lot of belief
in that if this thing falls flat, is that an indictment on Sean Payton
And does this sort of new thinghe's building get seriously reviewed or is that
it's not at that point you're justchalking up to first year of the rebuild

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post Russ and you give it onemore season. I say he'll be met
with more skepticism for a while andinto next year. I mean, we've
talked about it, like the clockstarted on him when he moved gone from
Russell Wilson, it's now on Sean. Now, to your point, this
is year one of post Russ,so you had you had some limited resources
you were still working with. Maybepeople are gonna explain that away. Maybe

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it is gonna take, you know, a year or two to do the
right thing. But the fact isis, I don't think Sean is at
a point in his career where he'slooking to take several years of a rebuild.
And and so that's the thing islike, Okay, you made this
move. We all know that you'renot coming in for a four a three
or four year rebuild, So sowhat are we doing here? If this

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is if this falls flat in hisface next year, the pressure's on.
He's gonna have to put a winnerout there. He has to put a
winner out there. This year.He might get a little bit of a
pass because bon Nicks is gonna play. Whether he plays the full season or
not, he is gonna play.You have to get Bonis out there for
a little bit of time. Idon't care if it is in games where
you're not gonna win or you're justyou're just getting experience. He either takes

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the job or when they get eliminatedfrom playoff contention, they're gonna see they
got he's got to play, right. I mean, I know that he
sort of framed it as we're gonnago out there try to win games,
because that's what you have to say, and you do have to. You
have to try to win games.You have too many guys in the locker
room that have careers. They havethe coaches have their careers, legacies,
all those kinds of things. Butthe fact is is you have to see

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what bo Nicks is because whatever theBroncos will eventually be with Sean Payton and
hopefully obviously bo Nicks, it's goingto include him getting time this year to
build towards that. But the factis, if it falls flat in his
face, the first thing that peopleare gonna be is like, Okay,
maybe Sean isn't the same guy withoutDrew Brees, Like we said the same

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thing without Bill Belichick and Tom Brady. And then all of a sudden,
those questions get a little bit louderif they can't find winning formulas going forward.
Speaking of coaches that need to findwinning formulas, Big twelve, you
know media days going on, lastyesterday and today. Coach Prime was asked
the question if he feels more pressure, and he got a pretty good quote

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about not all wins being in createdequal. He has to do more than
games. He's got to win aspectsof their lives. They've got to keep
the GPAs up, They've they've gotto to create a culture that continues to
bring successful people in with that's,you know, the transfer portal, which
I don't want to say they've abused, but kind of you know, in
the sense that that's where they haveto get players that haven't done a lot

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of the high school recruiting. Youknow, how do you feel about the
expectations on Colorado this year, whichwith the sports books are absurdly low.
And then of course you're all amotern Colorado state. Should or Sanders gets
all the talk is about quarterbacks inthis state. But ces he has got
a quarterback down here that might bemight be a pretty good pro prospect.
Oh, I'm a big fan.That'd be a couple of years, but
it might be a good pro prospect. Yeah, I'm a big fan of

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his. I mean, he's gota rocket arm and they really buy all
accounts. Should have won that gamethat was his first start by the way.
Yeah, csu versus it was hisfirst start. But yeah, it
was fascinating listening to Coach Prime todayout of Big twelve media. It's also
still a bit surrealed they're back inthe Big twelve, like like it just
happened, like it's overnight kind ofthing. The Pac twelve still sticking around

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somehow with two schools to the packtwo but I believe it's two pack.
Oh is that? Okay? Wait, isn't that already? Never mind?
But yeah, he he talked aboutit at least says a lot of things
right. And I thought about todayas I was listening to Coach Prime about
you mentioned the transfer portal and anIL and all those kinds of things,
about how different a world we arewith college athletics in general, but especially

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college football. What would he belike or what would it be like for
him to walk in to see youif these things didn't exist the way they
do now. Well, conversely,if it were anyone else's head coach,
would the expectations and the pressure bethe same? M Is it that because
he is so flashy And I don'twant to invoke racism. I don't want

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to invoke any of that, Butthere certainly seems to be an attitude that
he's up aty you know, andthere certainly seems to be an attitude that
because of what he does in theway that he does it, that that
it's wrong. And yet if whenPete Carroll was doing the exact same thing
at USC, by the way,the exact same thing, like you know,
nobody was battan and eye. Soyou know, is there more pressure

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on Colorado because Prime is the headcoach? And is there more pressure on
him because he's him than it wouldbe literally anyone else. Yeah, I
mean I do think it might meanif Nick Saban came out of retirement,
the expectations we's gott But beyond that, he is one of the biggest names
in all sports. And even whenhe's at Jackson State, right, it's
you found ways to to check himout, to see what he's saying,

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to see what he's doing. Uh, he's as magnetic of a personality as
I can remember in my lifetime insports. I mean, we talked about
some of the greats, you know, Muhammad Ali was that when when before
we were really around right for thesame age. But but there are once
in a while, right, almostgenerationally, there's somebody that comes along that's
has this magnetic personality that you youtune in for every single thing they say,

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and he is one of those guysand you hang on every word to
that point though that that doesn't necessarilymean he's going to be a good coach.
And that's the thing that I'm mostinterested this year. Uh, the
wins may come because they're a betterteam, but the thing is is the
Big twelve is a little bit ofa different deal than Pac twelve. You
get to run the ball and yougot to stop the run, and if
you're prepared to do those things,then see you's gonna have maybe even a

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worse season they did last year.What is the bare minimum for that to
continue? What do you mean,what is the bare minimum win total at
the end of the day to continuethe prime? Oh, I think you're
gonna roll with him until he decidesto leave. I don't think they'll see
you as a as a university ifthey go four and eight or three.
And you know they'll think that becausebecause you know what there was before that,

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you know what it would it lookslike before eight represents a four hundred
percent jump in victory. That's right. So you you know what you were
before that. You have you haveto acknowledge what you were before that.
And listen, Rich George has beenthere long enough. He knows what they
were before that. And they wereirrelevant. See as long as it been
relevant in since the early two thousand, I mean the one season of Mike

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Mac I'm tired, and that wasit. That was it. And so
so for Coach Prime, it's gonnabe whenever he wants to go. To
be honest, you buying the NCdouble A video game, I'll come over
to your house and play it.Okay, that's fair. I get the
second controller. So uh in aleague with some some dend rites, they're
allowing the thirty people to do teamsor whatever. So he was texting any
the other day talking a lot oftrash with you about the NC double A.

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You go back and check the textline, Oh well, okay,
all right. Yeah, Like randomlyduring KO Sports, they're texting in about
you and about your nonsense with then C Double A, And I was
like, why are you why areyou hitting me up about this? Yeah,
it's it's because I run the tripleoption with clock Milk and like it's
it's agonizing to play against, soyeah, I know, maybe I won't
come over. Yeah never mind,offers Broncos Country and I Rolls on you

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