07-25-24 Hour 2 of Broncos Country Tonight

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to it Broncos Country tonight.But with all Brian Dick Ferguson, Grant
Smith, miss you when you're out, man, It's not the same five
six six nine zeros in text line. I'm gonna have to the KWA Common
Spirit Health Hotline though, and bringon our favorite Ryan Michael at the Ryan
Michael On Twitter contributor and writer,an analyst at the Pro Football Hall of
Fame. Right, I gotta askyou, when does Lucas Kroll get in?

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I'm not qualified to say. I'mnot the gate keeper. The fans
want to know. Is he gettinghis own wing? Uh? You know,
at what point are they just gonnabuild a whole new Hall of Fame
separate for him? I kid,how you doing? Man? We'll get
right too. Of these quarterbacks here, you know, the first two days
with no pads, and it reallydoes look like Jared Stidham's gotta lead on

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the other quarterbacks. He should byvirtue of the fact that he's been around
these these players and been in thisoffense for a year. But with with
Bo Nicks and Zach Wilson sort ofyou know, getting their snaps, getting
their turn up at bat and allof that, how long does it take
do you think for someone to emergeand take that role. I think that

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as we get a few weeks oftraining camp underway, and I'm in agreement
with Nick. I don't feel thattraining camp is truly training camp until the
pads are on, so I don'treally read much into what's happening right now.
I'd give it a solid two tothree weeks before we have more of
a clear indication as far as who'sgoing to be QB one to open up
the twenty twenty four season. Sobefore you join those, Ben and I

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were having a conversation and I reallywant to get your take on this.
Would you rather be a guy ona team that won a championship but you
really did contribute, or would yourather be a major contributor on a team
that did not win a title.I think that's a great question, and
I think that most players would saythat they would rather be part of a

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championship winning team even if they individuallydidn't contribute as much, because football is
the ultimate team sport, and Ithink there's something about the nature of team
sports that attracts players to American footballspecifically, so given the fact that almost
every football player I've ever spoken toNick has that in common. I would

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say, maybe it's not universal,but I'd be willing to guess that at
least nine out of every ten peoplewould answer they'd rather have the Super Bowl.
Yeah. I mean that's the wayI'm at Nick's like, I want
to be a contributor and I wantto be out there, and I'm like,
man, you could carry me.I could sleep on a waterbed while
everybody else goes and wins the SuperBowl. I'm showing that ring off.

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I'm just it's just I don't know, it's about winning, It's about championships,
I think. But you have positivethat using Super Bowl rings to measure
greatness at the quarterback position might bea faulty way to look at it.
Yeah, I've never felt that SuperBowl rings are a good measure of individual
performance at any position, much lessthe quarterback position. So you know what

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I did, then, was Iput together a chart where I compared every
single Super Bowl winner since two thousandto their first team All Pro selection at
the position. Counterpart, and whatI did to level the playing field was
I also incorporated postseason performance. Soand the Associated Press selects they're All Pro
team, they're not factoring in thepostseason. Oftentimes those teams are announced before

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the end of the regular season,and so by leveling the playing field to
include postseason performance, I had apretty good idea as far as which group
would play at a higher level,but even I was surprised by the results
and posted that chart on Twitter inthe twenty four season. Since two thousand,
twenty one of the twenty four quarterbacksthat I charted ranked higher and adjusted

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net yards per attempt. And it'sjust stat that we often talk about here
on DCT, but twenty one ofthe twenty four ranked higher and adjusting net
yards per attempt a regular season andPoseason combined as first team All Pro selections.
There were only two occasions with theSuper Bowl winner ranked higher than their
first team All Pro counterpart, andwell, Patrick Mahomes was both in twenty

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twenty two, so you kind ofset that on the side as its own
thing. But you had Drew Brees, who ranked number one and adjusting net
yards per attempt in two thousand andnine. He tought Haydon Manning, who
was the first team All Pro selectionfinished fifth, and Patrick Mahomes in twenty
nineteen actually also led the league andadjusted net yards per attempt higher than Lamar
Jackson, who also finished fit beyondthat its first team All Pro selections,

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playing at a higher level and bya considerable margin. So ron with that
being said, when did everyone startmeasuring the success of a quarterback based on
the number of wins as far asSuper Bowl wins or appearances? And the
reason I asked that because Dan Foulsin the Hall of Fame Rie, You
know, in a Hall of Fame, neither one of those guys have Super

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Bowls. Very difficult to get intothe Pro Football Hall of Fame. Of
that Super Bowl ring you had Warrenmoonwy Tittle, Fran Target and also part
of that elague group. But asfar as when the criteria shifted to place
a greater emphasis on rings, ifyou go all the way back to the
nineteen forties, the premier quarterback rivalrywas between Hall of famers Sammy Baugh and

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Said Luckman, who were also personalfriends. Said Luckman was the greater champion.
Four time champion, even beat SammyBaugh in Washington seventy three to zero
in a nineteen forty NFL championship.Law only had two rings, but nobody
made the argument. When I saynobody, I'm being a bit hyperbolic.
Generally speaking, it was an understoodconsensus that Sammy Ball was the greatest quarterback

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of all time despite having half championships. You fast forward to the nineteen sixties,
you had John Unitis and Bart Starr. Bart Star was a five time
champion. Uniteds was a three timechampion, but a super Bowl win in
nineteen seventy was more similar to PeytonManning super Bowl win in twenty fifteen.
So he had three rings total,truly only two, But very few people

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would make the argument that Bart Starwas better than John Uniteds. He carried
that goat title. It wasn't reallyuntil the nineteen eighties when the debate came
down to Dan Marino and Joe Montanaand the reality of Joe having four rings
to Marino's zero, and with oneof those four rings being the reality that
he outplayed Marino in a super Bowl. That changed the discussion and the super

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Bowl itself was evolving into more ofa spectacle. In the nineties, most
people would probably pick Brett Farves,Steve Young, or John Elway before Troy
Aman, who won three and thedebate again, Manning and Brady brought rings
that into the conversation. I wouldsay before Brady won his fourth maybe three
quarters of people would have picked Manningover Brady, but Brady had the longevity

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and went on to win seven rings. So we're really looking at a trend
that started in the nineteen eighties andbegan to solidify itself in the latter half
of Tom Brady's career. When welook at the data, we can see
that the Drew Brees won a SuperBowl while he led the NFL and adjusted
that yards poor attempt. Is thatan indicator that that could perhaps be one

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of the greatest quarterback seasons of alltime where the quarterback did carry a team
to a Super Bowl. Absolutely,and especially when you consider the reality that
the Saints finished twentieth in the NFL. I believe in points per games surrendered
on defense, it's one of thelowest ranked scoring defenses in the history of
the NFL to win a Super Bowl. And not only that New Orleans cruise
to the number one seed in theNFC. So when you look at Drew's

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postseason run, knocking off Kurt Warneroutperforming Brett fav in the NFC Championship Game
and then outperforming the quarterback who's inmy opinion, the on field performance through
Paid Manning. Drew Brees outperformed PaidManning in the Super Bowl. So it's
one of the greatest runs of alltime from week one to the moment he
hoisted the Lombardi Trophy. Sure well, when we talk about quarterbacks, we

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talk about their level to command theoffense and then their level of leadership.
As we were talking about the wholeconversation about winning a title and not really
contributing, someone on the text linebrought up the fact that Peyton Manning did
not Oh, he was pulled acrossthe finish line and Super Bowl fifty.

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Are there, in your opinion,other elements that quarterbacks can provide to their
team when their skills, like Peytonin that particular situation, start to diminish.
Absolutely, And I've often referred toManning's twenty sixteen season as being the
greatest ad season of all time.He actually finished dead last and adjusted NIT

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yards per ten the Monks quarterbacks whothrough three hundred or more passes, So
I can't exercise this enough. Hewon the Super Bowl finishing dead last in
one of the most efficient efficiency metricsthat we have, and compare that to
two thousand and three, two thousandand four, two thousand and five,
twenty twelve, and twenty thirteen,twenty thirteen. Eighty second, if you

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include Nick Foles, who attended fewerpasses, but he led the league and
adjusted nit yards per attempt more thananybody to ever play in the game,
and in those seasons never won achampionships. So I think that that paradox
is a testament to hel adition usingsuper Bowl rings to evaluate performance at the
quarterback position. Really is is thatthe worst all time quarterback season to get

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a Super Bowl? Because it's gotto be thinking we're talking about the successes,
but you know, you think aboutmaybe Brad Johnson with the tamp Bay
Buccaneers. You think about Tret Dilferwith the Baltimore Ravens. Grossman, I
don't think he won one, buthe was they got there. I'm trying
to think what the worst season bya quarterback would be to get to get
to a super Bowl. To getto a super Bowl, and I want

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to answer your question first, towin a super Bowl statistically adjusted for era,
Yes, series, Yes, thereis a caveat that Manning didn't play
a complete season, so his overallefficiency levels were dragged down to significantly do
the reality he was playing injured,especially on November fifteenth of twenty twenty fifteen,
when he played Kansas City broke theall time passing record. He finished

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that game with a zero point zeropasser rating. So the bad games in
twenty fifteen dragged down his numbers considerablyon the flip side of the coin.
And I'm not saying this to sayhe had a good year, but he
did average more passing yards per gameon the road than todm Brady did that
year, and Brady played at anMVP level. He also led the league
in fourth quarter comebacks if you includethe postseason, and his two touchdown no

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interception performance in the clutch in thetwenty fifteen AFC Championship game allowed our defense
to do what they did best thatyear, and they teed off on Brady
for the rest of the game.So if you're looking at an overall statistical
finish, yes, twenty fifteen Manningis the worst amongst Super Bowl champions,
but you have to take into considerationthe reality he didn't play for you well

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there's a lot of young quarterbacks thatwill be understanding this year, and for
a lot of these teams will bethe starter. Now, wins and losses
is said to be the greatest measureof how that player is developing, but
you know, there's a lot ofthings that kind of go into it.
Is there another statistics that fans shouldpay attention to where they're watching these young

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guys actually developed in front of theireyes that may not be just wins and
losses. Sure, there are plentyof advanced metrics that are far better than
wins and losses. Adjust the EPAper play is a fantastic one. Adjust
the Nate yards per attempt as afantastic one. You could look at DVOA,
total TVR, a number of measures. Because if you're looking just at

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wins and losses, then Mark Sanchezwould be one of the greatest young quarterbacks
they ever played the game. Andnow we know the reality that the two
thousand and nine and twenty ten Jetswere some of the best defensive squads of
that generation. So I look moretowards those advancements tricks that I cited before
you're looking at wins and losses.Because his history has proven a well rounded

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team can carry quarterbacks who are evenplaying at a below average level to wins
that Patrick Mahomes is actually a greatexample of that, even including his impressive
postseason run. Last year, hefinished thirteenth in adjusted net yards per attempt.
He played with a defense that finishedsecond in the NFL in points surrendered,
and during the Super Bowl run,I don't remember the exact number because

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I don't have it in front ofme, but the Chiefs needed to score
the same amount of points per gameto win that championship hear their playoff run
as the New York Jets did duringthe totality of the twenty twenty three season.
So, if you have a wellended team, especially a dominant defense,
which I'm sure Nick you can appreciate, a quarterback of almost any caliber

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can win more games than they lose. All off the script here, but
I got to think it about somethingthe other day. What is the data
say about quarterbacks that have had along late career, whether that be due
to injury a lot Eric Rodgers tryingto come back this year, whether that
be too you know, transitioning toa new team and a new coach and
now working out Russell Wilson with NateHackett. What does it say about Super

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Bowl winners that having the opportunity tobounce back and maybe win again, It's
incredibly difficult. So Kyton Manning andTom Brady would obviously be the exceptions.
Tom played at an elite level intwenty twenty when the Buccaneers won, ironically
played an even higher level the followingyear when they ended up losing the Stafford

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and the Rams. Manning, aswe discussed, he had his twenty fifteen
run, but he had arguably thegreatest season in the history of Pro football
in twenty thirteen and helping the Broncosat least get to the Super Bowl.
It's incredibly rare, and it's evenrarer for a quarterback to be the driving
force behind that team that's winning oreven getting through a championship late in their
careers. When we look at thequarterback position, obviously the Broncos, I

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guess I have a three horse race, but there's all only one guy who
everyone is hoping actually gets to thefinish line and be the starter for the
Denver Broncos. Both Nicks when you'vewatched him at Oregon. Is there something
that jumps out to you. Thatgives you the indicators that you know what.

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I don't know exactly what the firstcouple of games are going to be
like, but I can say,what's your confidence that this kid is going
to have a great career because ofwhat you've seen? Is there one thing
or a couple of things? Yeah, there are a couple of things,
and there are certainly no sure besnake. I had bon Nick's number two
on my board under CABLEB. Williams. I would say information processing and pass

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accuracy are his two greatest strengths,and they're not flashy strengths. If you
look at the way sin Drew Breesplayed the quarterback position during the final years
of his career, it wasn't nearlyas exciting from a highlight play standpoint as
what we've seen from the homes ofLamar Jackson or Trep Warrants or Josh Allen,

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but it was remarkably efficient. Soif you're winning games and you're executing
the offense death by a thousand papercuts, I don't care how you get
it done. I care that youscore points. So when I see a
quarterback, who's two greatest strengths oreven three if you want to for football
IQ into that, because they're allinterconnected. Football IQ, information processing and
pass accuracy. Those are three ofthe most important core ingredients for success over

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the long term. They're not necessarilytraits that I expect to flash early in
year one or even in year onealtogether. It's something that's going to take
time, especially learning a complicated systemlike the one that Sean runs here at
Denver. Well, Ryan, weappreciate it as always at the Ryan Michael
on Twitter, and look forward toyou getting us that information on when we

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can expect the Lucas Crell induction.All right, I'll get the work on
it. Absolutely, Take care,Ryan Michael. Let you Ryan Michael on
Twitter. Always love when he getsa chance to get on here give us
some data about stuff and the quarterbacks, especially when we come back. Nick
and I are going to get backinto training camp observations and a few other
things want to talk about as well. Broncos Country Tonight, KAA welcome back

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a talk back like this, Hey, guys, I'm just curious if we

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have a team this year that canrun the ball, an offensive line that
can help us run the ball,a quarterback that doesn't turn the ball over,
and a much improved defense. I'mnot understanding why the national narrative on
the Broncos is so bad. Justwondering if you guys give some input on
that. Thanks. Well. Thequestion is whether or not the national pundits

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pay close enough attention to know thosethings and then be whether they believe the
Broncos can do them. You know, when you look at the quarterbacks that
you have, you got Jared's didI'm not exactly a world beater. You've
got Zach Wilson, who's more knownfor his turnovers than anything, Bo Nicks,
who's an unknown commodity at this point. So even having a good run
game and a solid defense when thequarterback is not settled or a known commodity,

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I think that sort of lends tothe idea that the Broncos may not
be that good. I think they'llsurpass their Vegas total number, which I
believest five and a half. I'mnot mistaken. I believe they'll get more
wins than five. But you know, until they go out and prove it.
Right now, everybody's you know,you were a bad team last year

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in a lot of ways. Youknow, you had that little streak you
put together, but it was mostlya bad team. So I think I
think you have to go out andprove it. I think you have to
go out and show it. Idon't put too much stock in what national
people think on these shows. Letthem talk, let them run their mouths.
If they're wrong, we got receiptsfor later. Well, for those
national people, it's easy for themto say because they're not here every single

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day, they are getting kind ofa slow drip of information as far as
what's taking place in practice and thecounter attitude and mentality of the players.
But I will say it is alittle justifiable at this particular point to have
low expectations for a team based onwhat they did or didn't do last season,

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the departure of certain players, influxof young guys and new faces,
and usually that's how it works aroundthe NFL, on any professional sport for
that matter, those expectations will below. And then the fact that you
know, it's been said, themost important player on any given in the
NFL is a quarterback. And whenyou have a young quarterback coming in who's

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not yet proven, We've seen whatbowl can do on a collegiate level,
but he has yet to prove iton a professional level. I can understand
why there are some concerns or individualsand I thinking the team is going to
play well. But this is whereit goes back to the players. You
have to take what everyone locally andnationally is saying with a grain of salt,

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and just know that you are theplayers, that you are in control.
When you're on the field, youdetermine the outcome, not the broadcast
team leading up to whatever Sunday.No, no, they really don't matter.
And this is where this situation,in my opinion, should in fact
galvanize that Broncos locker room to say, no, one's given us a chance,

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so we have an opportunity to failbecause they've already said we failed.
Yes, let sleep and we cango out every single game. Every team
say, you know what, theydon't have to prepare for the Broncos.
They've already circled it all the calendar. That's the second bye week exactly.
So let teams feel that way,and then you go in and you kick
their teeth in. Well, yeah, and I think that's the way you

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should handle it. I always hateit when people get on on the social
media, Oh they're disrespected. Tolet them disrespect, you push them and
the met then show it that way. I think part of this though,
I think part of the reason thatthe perception is this is not just because
the Broncos are a young team,and we'll get to the advantages of that
in a minute, but also becauseyou're in a division that features Patrick Mahomes,

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multiple time Super Bowl winner and arguablybest quarterback in the league. The
Chargers have just hired Jim Harbaugh andfigure to be better based on his resume,
and the Raiders, who the Broncoshaven't beat since they moved to Las
Vegas. So I think that thereis an element of you have to come
out and show you can beat thoseteams before you're going to get that respect

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from anybody anyway. Well, here'sthe other thing too, Ben when you
talk about the level of respect,when you think about the Denver Broncos franchise,
it's it's been known for winning,maybe not on the past couple of
years, but you go back tothose Herrell, Davis, rod Smith,

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Steve Atwater teams and then you fastforward to the teams that I played on.
There was a level of expectations.So when you when you build that
standard up that high, sometimes it'shard to reach it because every time you
take it up another level, nowyou're still trying to trying to get there
and everyone's thinking, Okay, wellthis is my team, We've done it

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before, we can do it again. See this goes back to our earlier
conversation. Because you set the standardand possibly high others disappointment, whereas I
clear the bar every time. Nogames this year. See once again,
this is the difference, right whenyou set your standard and you do something
as a person. It goes backto when my when I was dating and

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my father told me this, likewhatever you do when you're dating, when
you get married, you set thebar at a certain level, right,
and it keeps going up, whichis why you set it low so that
there's room for it to go up. Wait. Wait, so this is
the reason why both you know,Grant and I are married and you're not.
Yes, I set the standard toohigh and cross through the ceiling.

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It's now I got you know.I had to reset this, had to
reset the bar. Setting the bar. Look, that's the key to sels
to go. It was at thispoint setting the bar load can't be the
key to success because all you haveto do is raise your foot a couple
of inches that you've already cleared thebar. That's the point. Wow.
See, if they don't expect anythingout of you, everything you do is

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a success. You can't live yourlife under the bar. You can't.
I've lived forty something years under thatbar. How that you not fulling fantastically?
You're staking the same room having thesame conversation. I'm just saying,
I don't get it. No,no, did you You're not getting a

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gold star for that. You're not. I'm not giving you a gold star
for that because your bar is solow. Yeah, I don't want to
go star. My six year oldcan jump over your bar. Cool.
No, that's a six year old. Set your standards higher, and this
is what the Broncos players should do. Look at what happened last year,

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look at how people talked about youcollectively, as as a team, coaching
staff and as players, and say, you know what I'm pissed off and
what I did when I play isI'm taking it out on somebody. I'm
taking it out on someone. Andguess what I happen to play a sport
where I can take it out onother people. Take yes, Yes,

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and I don't go to jail.Right, there's no a warrant for my
arrest. No, they love it. It's even encouraged. Ben. It's
a pretty low barnclear, that's nota bark. It's not. No,
it's not that's the heighs of barns. No, I know, I and

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to be fair, I do.I know I'm joking about it. I
do set standards for that. Butthere is something too, There is something
to sort of setting expectation a littlelow. And you know in politics called
sandbagging, right where you set theexpectation a little low so you're always exceeding
it. You're never a disappointment,right. I don't know. I don't
know if we can get this through. I don't know if we can get
you that money. I don't knowif we can pass this bill out.
And every single time, look youknow what, we work together, we

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dragged it through and it's a it'sa it's a victory speech instead of well
we try, we didn't quite getthe bill through. Sorry, say listen,
man, I've been around way Phillips, I've been around Herman Edwards,
Mike Shenahan. Hell, I've beenaround Bill Parcells. He would have never
set the bar that low to sayI've had a manner of success. I

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got something I could say, reallythought we were getting four wins this year.
We had eight. Yeah, that'sa successful season. Guys. It's
like setting a bar. Haller,Hey, you know what, I'm gonna
just roll out of the bed thismorning. Right, that's you set in
the bar. That's that's the bar. Just roll it out of the bed.
Sometimes I don't do a damn thingsometimes, see, and I struggle
with that. Ah, that's bad. I almost limoed under that one last

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Saturday. I'm just saying, well, luckily, you're not being asked to
show up at five am. Icould put this right. Sorry, Luckily
what I can put this in adifferent perspective because we've had this conversation before.
Uh, I think it was youtold me that Tom Demetrov had said
that there were coaches out there thatwere coaching for their job rather than coaching
to win Super Bowls. Right,Yes, and so that's what they do.

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They set the bar low, sothey're always clearing it. We're you
know, well, we're we're hopingto be a five hundred two. Were
still building this thing. Then youknow, you go nine and eight,
Well that's a successful season. Ilook in the environments that I've been around,
I I can you I'm giving youcrap right now because you cannot understand
the idea of sandbagging and sustained mediocritybut I lived it when I was you

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know, when I was in whenI was in the army, I saw
it every day, like you know, guys trying to get over and do
that kind of stuff like it was. You know, it's a pervasive attitude.
Excellence is not something to strive for, you know, Sustained mediocrity is.
And so I've seen it so longI'm kind of sardonic about it in
the way that I and I haveadopted some of that in my own life
at times, you know, whateverI have and I'm giving the goat away
right now. A new boss,Yeah, I set the expectation I don't

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know to do anything, you know, so, oh I have nowhere to
go. But so you walk inwith the Bonnie fIF type. Oh I'm
done nuts. I put my pantson backwards today. I think about that,
like any anytime you've set the bar. Look, you boss thinks you
don't know anything. You know,so and then I'm not speaking about our

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great boss right now, Dave Tepper. I mean, you know, yeah,
honestly belongs to the radar whole famealready. What I'm saying is,
you see, but if you setthat expectation, if you set the expectation
low with people you have nothing todo but clear now you've got to incrementally
raise it from there and find waysto mitigate that. But for coaches that
are only coaching to stay employed,that's how you do it. So you

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would never have an opportunity to playfor a guy like coach Malone because that
type of attitude wouldn't work with whathe's trying to build. Would he know
I was doing it? Yes,he would. I mean how many times
if he's called out his Nuggets playersof the past couple of years, then
he called himself. I bet Ioelasked him, Oh, man, think

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about it, though, if youset the bar had if you set the
bar in excellence, if you comeout you're a brand new head coach.
We set the bar at Super Bowl. Yes, that's what you do.
That's the standard. And you're unemployedin two years when you don't get played,
it doesn't make a difference because atthat time you know that you walked
in and you set the culture theright way. And I believe this is
the way that we're going to doit. And I believe you're absolutely right

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in theory. But I believe you'reright and fanna, I would do the
same thing. I'm arguing something Idon't actually believe, just to just to
pick at you a little bit,but I believe you in in theory.
But in the real world, ifyou set the bar that high and you
don't get there, you get fired. If you're a CEO who sets the
quarterly earnings at seventy five cents ofshare and you only get twelve cents of

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share, you're getting fired. Isay, but man, you set the
quarterly are you get three cents ofshared? You get twelve cents? You're
getting a raised. But and saysGrant is the other married individual on this
show. I think he may agreewith this. I'm not sure, but
this what we're talking about. Weget related to sports, but this is
in fact what marriage is well likewhen you get married every day is in

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every experience you have with this significantother, you're raising the bar right and
when you start going below the barand guess what happened. She's gonna say.
She's gonna give you this phrase thatno man ever wants to hear.
We need to talk. No,we don't know you need to talk.
I'm gonna set the bar. Wedon't that's how low upset that car.

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Because I'm gonna tell you full transparency. When I was in Houston going through
what I was going through, whenI didn't even know it was gonna be
my last year, I came homefrom dinner with my wife who were in
the car. As soon as Iturned the car off and got ready to
get out of the car, shesaid, we need to talk. Well,
yes, my heart dropped in likeyou're you know, you're you're what

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five five eleven six foot? Yes, yeah, yeah, it is.
His heart dropped eight feet. Yes, dude, scared the hell out of
me. Right, So you neverwant to be in that particular situation where
your significant other feeling as though you'vetaken her for granted, and you don't
want to take your team for granted, you don't want to take the fan
base for I'm with you in theory. I just say the application applications in

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the real world, though, aredifferent because if you do set the standard
high, which you should do andyou should strive for excellence, and I'm
actually with you on there, butif you do set it high and you
miss, whatever aspect of life thatyou're in is going to come under scot
I don't care shoot for the moon, settle for the stars. That doesn't
make sense. The moon is closerthan the stars. It's it's it's up

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there the moon make sense. Butit's to shoot for the moon and you
hit the star. That's the oppositeof what we're talking about. No,
no, you aim for the moon. It's up there. It's up there
every night, it's shining. Didyou mean you aim for the moon to
hit the trees? No, thisis a sniper snipers. There's so much

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further away than the moon. Doesnot make sense. Aim for the moon,
set for the stars again, sideto destroy my knight. I destroyed
it. We've we're finding it,because that would does not work for me.
I do. I do get whatyou say, and you are right.
Yes, we should set the standard, and the Broncos should set the
standard at higher than what it wasat five and a half the over right
now for four? Is it down? That's what I thought I saw at

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the other day. It was likewhat I saw it was five point five.
If it's moved, it's moved theunder Oh wow, that bad?
Huh? I need to go betthe farm on something. Pardon me for
a minute with this app, Ithink, but there are advantages to having
a young team that doesn't know better. And the Broncos are a pretty young
team right now, you know,think about that. There is there is

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advantage to not having expectations. Rememberwhen Seattle was going to be terrible.
Remember that, when was it twoyears ago? Whatever? What hack it?
This is the first hacking game.Seattle was going to be awful.
Remember they lost Ross. It wasgonna be gino. Uh, you know
they Pete Carroll is going to haveto rebuild this thing. Then they made
the playoffs that year. Just thinkabout even last year Drew Locke one game,

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Yeah, well that man, thatwas an inspiring moment. But I'm
just saying, like, think aboutit. When you don't have expectations,
it's you're freer, you got you'remore loose. You know there are there
is no pressure. Yes, thepressure isn't there, and then you can
cut it loose. Just think aboutwhen you were younger, right, the
things that you didn't really care aboutat all. This is where these players.

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But maybe I shouldn't have abused youas an example building I'm wrong,
were you in advance? You arewalking into my trap here. But the
whole idea. When you're a youngplayer, everything is ahead of you,
right, you don't know what youshould be fearful of. Right, so
you can you can cut a loosebecause you feel whether it is true or

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not that guess what, I stillhave another five, six, seven years
down the road. So because youthere isn't expectation, there isn't pressure.
Yes, So because there's no standardthat's been put up here, there's no
pressure, so you can be betterin getting to there. Because see,
but they they the players would establishtheir own standard and they would put their

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own pressure on themselves. It's justit's just no more outside pressure for that.
I was just trying to walk youinto that one. I'm not walking
into that one. I'm still stuckon this moon stars thing. That could
throw me off because ours are wayfurther away. Well, I mean,
did they really have to be?Yes? They literally have to be,
or we would burn alive. Notthe ones my six year old draws on
a piece of paper, they're rightthere. Okay, well far enough,

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