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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to it, Broncos Country tonight. But with all Brian Nick, Ferguson,
Grant Smith, Hall of Famer, Steve Atwater sticking around for
an extra segment.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
That's that's Hall of Fame effort right there. Man. Well
see what you gotta think, little jacket, I owe this now,
you don't. You know, it's a little bit, but we
probably owe you at this point. No, no, you see
you two.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I mean, I'm gonna encourage that attitude because it benefits
the show to you know, to have you on.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
But I appreciate it. I'm glad to be here. Six
sixty nine zeros. A text line.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I've been talking about different you know, personality types and
coaching and and that kind of stuff and soaking this up.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
When you're at this this stage right here.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
And it's a little bit different now because you've got
expanded practice squad, so it's not as like vital to
make the fifty three as it was. It's still a
matter prior to make the fifty three, but there's like
a twenty man practice squad. They're rotating you up all year,
so you still sort of make the team. If you
make the practice squad, you're probably going to be active
part of the game is do you think that that
changes the nature of roster competition.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I would say not.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I say I would say that the people who really
want to play and who out there giving it, they're
all They're going to do that regardless.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
You know, you know, it doesn't matter. They're trying to
be a starter.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Let me give you, for instance, like Lil Jordan Humphrey,
right in any normal ten years ago when we didn't
have the practice squad the way it is now, Lil
Jordan Humphrey's making the fifty three right just by virtue
of what he does.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
But on this roster, is he making the fifty three?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Probably not, because you've got the big four at Courtland,
Tim Patrick, Marvin Madmams, and Josh Reynolds. Right then you
got the two guys you drafted that you're probably not
giving up in Davavalle and Troy Franklin.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
And Troy's been getting coach.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Pretty hard out there, pretty vocal by John Morton. So
are you kid, that's six right there? Are you keeping
seven wide receivers? Orre you putting a guy like little
Jordan on the practice squad where you could keep calling
him up over and over and then figure it out
as it goes along. And so that's the reason I
asked that, does it change the mentality the competitive fire
when you know you've got a fallback plan like.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
The practice squad? Just talk about the mentality of foods, thelayer,
coach and the player.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I'm talking about players, because I mean, you got twenty
extra spots where you're technically making the team now instead
of you know, I.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Think the dogs, the guys who really want to get there,
they're gonna they're gonna play their best regardless. And I
would hope that all the players are like that, that
they're not just playing to make the practice squad, right.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I probably ask the wrong guys because you guys both
have the same mentality, Like that's same, Like I'm gonna
make it mentality, you know kind of.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I mean, I don't know anybody. Well, maybe there were
some guys who we all know, guys want to go
by everyone, We just want to be on the team.
But man, hey, Mike Shannon, they like those players, right hey.
And I don't think Chanpagne like those type of players either.
Probably one guys who want to compete, who are gonna
co come out and they show up every single day,
they're gonna give it there af and if you if
(02:45):
you're not, hey, if you keep those kind of guys around,
it's what your whole your whole team is gonna have
that attitude.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
So you know containing that the guys gonna have they
have that attitude.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
You know, I think it's that eighty twenty rule, because
you're gonna get eighty percent.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Of the guy is trying to make the team. But
to your point, you're.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Gonna get guys who look around the room when they said, well,
last season, the Broncos kept eight receivers, a couple of
guys on the practice squad. So maybe I can be
that rotational guy, still collecting the track, writing your ideas,
still adding to the pension, but I really don't have
to really be in.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
It goes back to the conversation.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
You and I had last week when I said, Okay,
would you rather be on the championship team and compete
and lose or be on a championship team win a
ring and you didn't really contribute it anyway?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, would you either get.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
The star of a non championship team or win the
ring and not have done anything?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
That's a good question. I have a ring. People who
are saying, just give me a ring. Let see see
I went over the weekend. I thought about that because
I'm like, well, wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I'd rather have the ring because I'd rather have the ring,
But me as a person wants to be I don't
want to be on the sideline.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Put me in coach.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Maybe if you started for several years and you know
one year you had off year and you didn't start.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, I take it that time, but I don't tell.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Me you contribute and your Melvin Gordon on the Chiefs,
guess what you ring, He's not going to turn it down.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I was like.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
The Chiefs too, But it's one of those kind of
situations where I'm like, well, you know, I want to ring.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I want that hardware, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And if my team's good enough to get there and
they're carrying me, okay. But at the same time, like
I got to think about this weekend, I'm like, you
know what, I need to change my answer? Yeah, I mean, like,
as much as I joke about sustained mediocrity.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Even for the Bushes, you haven't you can say it
right now. I have said I was. I was I
was it won't come out. I was mistaken. I'm just
saying I'm not wired that way.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Like I got to thinking about it this week, I'm like, man,
I am actually, I'm like, I was full of crap
the other night because you know what, I wouldn't want
the ring.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I mean I want the ring or put me on
the field, want to play. I'm gonna get it. I'm
gonna go get it. Okay, I'm not sing like.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
As much as I joke about you guys know how
I am like a joke about stuff in reality, Like, dude,
I have hyper competitive. I winned it. I'm winning everything.
I'm winning at the walk into the walking through the
gates to practice, I'm winning that. Like, I'm hyper competitive.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
It's just like if you're flipping coins trying to get
close to the wall, you want to win.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
You're playing paper football, you.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Would have win.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I played Monopoly to win. Yes, oh yeah, ask my cousin.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Look I when I go back to Saint Louis, we
got to the Little Spider's called a little social place
where they have game back basketball, always shoot basketball.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yes, the punch power bag. I'm winning the punch power bag.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Okay, I'm just saying like I'm I don't do stuff
to not win.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
You know, Ben wants to win so much, he's to
lower the bar to win.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
But I think that the.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Players they want to win, even they go out there
and give it there all.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
They want to win. But most teams can't win. Everybody
can't wait to understand that. But what's against things?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
It's one thing to go out there and give it
your all and lose. It's another thing just not to
give anything and just kind of guy on the squad.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
You just a jag. Yeah yeah, yeah, Well I'll tell
you what I ain't saying. You not my rookie year.
We go to the.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Super Bowl and we played San Francisco forty nine and
we get be fifty five to ten, and that was
like one of the worst days of my life. After
the game, you know, people wanted to go out, man.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I don't want to go out. I don't want to
go anywhere.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I just want to go to my room and I
want to see what the heck happened here and what
can we do next year to be better.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
But I'm I'm the same way, man. It's the way
we when else in the army. We used to have
like we had flag football to our flag football. She
was good, right, so but tet me just faces though good.
I would have rather won a ring though, Well.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yeah I wouldn't, Yes, yes, yeah, if somebody was going
me and we could have want to ring.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Let me ask how difficult was that halftime? Oh? Man,
it was. It was terrible.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
And half time I was like, bro, we we cooked.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I got out number. Bro, at least we're honest. At
least that you can't see Steve's face right now. Hey,
I was in the long room.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Man, Just imagine the yoke Steve Atwaters just sitting like
we don't they got our number.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Hey, we're gonna fight now. I'm gonna play then, But man,
they got our numbers. They saying, Jave, we got on
quarter in this thing, right, We're going down to get
on Hey man, Bro, I'm getting channel. But we canna believe.
(07:36):
I believe what the school was at all time. But
it was unbelievable. We'd got being like that all season.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
We just shot and we just we're just looking at
each other like, well, how's this happening?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
What's going on? Everybody got a plan? Take you punch
in the mouth.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Boy.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
We got placed in the mouth and the jaws. Just
I was just picture Russ.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
We just gottalieve job if you go to the clap
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
But I'm like, man, that's what not to get all.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Not to get off on a tangent because I like Russ,
but he is a dork and and that kind of
stuff like that. That's what I think everybody was talking
about when want to see emotion from him and I
don't talk about him.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
He's gone now all the kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
But I think that's what everybody was talking about when
they're saying it felt, you know, authentic, because.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
That's the kind of stuff he was doing. You beat
down fifty five to ten and he's sitting in there club.
We just gotta believe job. No, no, but believe they're
carrying us through this one.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
But would you rather have your quarterback say that or
always say, hey, guys, we're cooked.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Let's go out there and just lay down.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Oh let's see, I don't say that, like if it's
me and I'm giving the speech at my minute that
they got us.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Let's let's give him something to remember on the way
out the door. Let's just spoil the night for him
right now.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
They're not going they're not going out partying to night
without remembering they played the Denver box and see what
you wanted them to say?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Yeah, Ben, you know what, maybe if you would have
caught that last third down, we would have done in
that situation, right, yes, Stee.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I'm sorry, I got maybe suntans for hands.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Right right exactly.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
So, once again, what type of leader do you want
to be? Like?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
You you caught.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Between the rock and a hard place, because if you
overly criticize your teammates, you're wrong. If you are like
where Russ was and people thought he was not authentic.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Then you well, I'm not. I don't have to criticize
my teammates at that point across.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I don't have to do like I don't have to
be like Ferguson you have to drop, you know, I
don't have to do that. I'm just saying like, look, guys,
we're losing, but I'm let's let's see if we can't
call Away back in this thing, we'll go to make
them remember they played us at.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
The minimum and after the game. This is what I
learned to go to the tunel before they go to
the club. I got this from Rannie lied. He said,
you playing for right exactly.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
You know, so after the game, you know, after the game,
when you go by and you shake people, you know,
guys who gave up, you're like, many get out my
face exactly, versus a guy who gave it.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
We got I'm walking up to ride my baby, but
you have I'm expecting look at him in the eye,
expecting to hear back, Hey, I got to hit the
towel before hit the club later, you know, like they
that's what That's what I'm talking about, that kind of thing, And.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
You know what, that's why I love play and against
Philip Rivers and Tom Brady. You know, even though Philip
Rivers his way of swearing was more hilarious than damage.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, yeah, your stuff laughing more than anything.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Yeah, But like with Tom, Tom would come up to
you and he'd be like, hey man, that's a great game.
So it's kind of a real recognized reel. But when
you're saying, if you playing against the opponent and you're
getting a beat down, certain players that'll come up to
even in that loss and be like, dude, you were
exactly all the guys you like, whatever, man, move on.
He'd go to the next person trying to remember who
it was it was.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
It was a game a couple of years ago where
the Raiders ended up running the same play, like seventeen
or twenty two plays a run play. The Raiders were
beating us, and there was one player on the Broncos defense.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
It was still sitting there. Most of the guys had
kind of packed it in and it was.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
One guy out there and it was it was interesting
to watch. At the end of the game, where the
defense from the Rate came, they would have made a
point to go to him like, hey, we were going
to say you're still.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Out there, You're still exactly the respect that.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, this is why I know we in Broncos country.
But real recognized real, so I'm gonna speak it with
the power. This is why I like Max Rosby because
he's one of those guys. He doesn't care. Yes, he's
given everything, he is going to exhaust himself and it's
just like, well, that's how I want to see players play,
(11:15):
even if you play for an opponent.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Dude, I got mad props for you being able to
do that.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, we don't have props toll the whistle blow, final whistle. Yeah,
of course then we got Yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
That's it, and it's fun.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I mean crossby against right, that's.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
And it costs me to a hell of player on top.
So that's fine to watch.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
But on top of that, yeah, we will recognize real
kind of thing like when you see that and they
see that.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Level of respect.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
And to tie that back to trading camp here, it
feels like there have been years and it's not been
the last two years, but there have been years here
where you have seen guys and you know they're coasting
and you sort of see it accepted. You don't really
see that now. I have seen that the last two years.
And you know three years ago, three years ago, I
could have gone out in the field runner oute, nobody
(11:58):
would have cared.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Now have a real you know, like then you won't
come out. Sure what up?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Now you got you have an organized accountability man.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Right, And then I think that's the biggest thing is
Sean brought here is there is a professional standard down.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Not that Vic didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Uh and I'm gonna skip over the guy after him,
but it was you know there there's the return from
the clown show in a sense has been jarring to me.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
This is why both George Baden and Sean Payton tried
to do or trying to do a great job of
bringing in guys who they feel that they want to
build the culture around, right who they are culture building
type of pieces.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
And when you look at this team, this team is.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Really young, and you look at Vegas odds they don't
have the team winning more than four games. But for me,
I'm just like you, Steve. The way that the guys
should approach it is because yes, take that on as
a challenge. No one's giving you an opportunity, and you
can there's a possibility there is a couple of wins,
maybe three to four, that you can catch a couple
people slipping.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, you're going to catch people said, because they're they're
underestimating absolutely, and no need to. Don't run in your
mouth talking about all we turn them up, but keep crying,
keep quieting.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
And kick their butts. Six six zero is the text
slowne Yes, man, my little league teams. Bro, those teams
just be talking.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
So much that those word boy, we went out there
and put it on them.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, I'm I'm the worst about that too. I love it,
I love it talk. I love to talking. Video game Oh,
I'm chirping. I even talk to Steve about that. Yeah,
playing because I'll be the new college football game. Yeah.
Well I've been playing his army with the triple option,
be making.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
People the clock run these on the flex bone.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Have you happen to wear the two backs again? Yeah,
the flex bone and then you handed to the back. Yes,
I'm running that again.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
You're talking about that pistol playoffs, the veer off pistol. Yeah,
the veer Dude, I'm playing Against'm an army playing against Alabama,
and I'm winning, like you know, I'm winning twenty And
these guys are so mad that they have because these
kids ain't ever seen the flex bone.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
They're too young, they never they never saw it. So
these kids don't know how to stop.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
And they're yelling at me through the head stat they're
calling calling me every like I can't even say half
their stuff on the air. They're calling me every name
under the sun. And I'm I'm chewing. I'm waiting till
the one second of the play clock to snap it
like I am.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
They are so that guy. Man, I'm playing with arm
This is.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Like Ohio State, LSU, Alabama, and I'm oh and I'm waiting.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
They're so mad. Yeah, brings to you out of my life
five six, six nine zeros of text. And by the way, to.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Wheil says juicy Fruit gum was the first product to
ever have a barcode.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Interesting bit of trivia there, if you ever wondered.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Uh, just because you're not playing doesn't mean you're not contributing.
You're making the starters better just by practicing.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Sometimes player sometimes sometimes.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Wait, there's some guys who are on a roster just
because they have the adequate size to be on a roster.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
That's it. I've seen it. Okay, five six six ninezers
of text.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I'm sorry, guys, there's a bunch of people here and
I wish I could have gotten all of you some
of you.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
The text line was being weird. Uh. Stanksy from Utah says,
if there's.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Anybody you want cut or want to trade, just let
me know. I will buy their jersey and believe me,
it will happen. That's been the motif. Go Broncos. I
guess every time Stacey buy the Broncos jersey that player
gets cut or traded.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Really, he's telling us right now. If you know the
lot of a lot of numbers. Oh okay, I'm sorry. Yeah,
but if he's got that a lot of yeah, Stacy,
if youve got some lot of numbers, we don't need them,
I'm saying absolutely.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Or actually, if we play them then you know, yeah,
he plays in the met to lose, maybe should give
him the Stacy, Well, he gives us that, we go
the opposite.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
That's that's the way that works. So anyway, five six, six,
nine zero. Any anything else you guys notice real quick
for we got to hit the break? Anything else you
guys notice out there train camp.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Well, the one thing about the run game, based on
what we've seen in practice, you can tell the Broncos
this year want to be committed to running the ball. Now,
who's going to get the bulk of those carries? We
don't know. But as far as my eyes can see,
the guy that some in the media criticized last year
and say he lost the step, Davonte Williams, I mean
(16:00):
do Yeah, the report these obituary was pretty mature.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yes, And I don't understand because I don't I don't
understand how that people don't understand. I don't understand how
people don't understand that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, makes sense that players after.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
You have a severe ineer injury to in the issery
like that, the first year back, you're not going to
be really one dred percent.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Now was he was he healthier year? Yes? But was
he back to Javonte?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
No, he will normally takes a couple of years, and
it took the second year afterwards.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Normally is that year And man, he looks great out
there and he goes. He looks phenomenal. So it'll be
good to see guys.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
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Speaker 2 (17:33):
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Speaker 6 (17:36):
Doing well?
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Then?
Speaker 6 (17:37):
Nick?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
How are you guys do it pretty well?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I put a put a little little trivia thing out there.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Maybe you can answer this.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Of the quarterbacks to take snaps within the five yard line,
I means five yards or less to Golden Goost situations,
of the sixty one quarterbacks to take a snap in
that situation, sixty attempted to pass. Six players were intercepted,
one of which was Daniel Jones, who went over three
passing in that scenario. Can you name any of the
other five.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Off the top of my head? I don't think I can.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
You got me sum Yeah, well Nick got one, he
got Lamar Jackson because that was one of them. So
there are still there are still four more. Now you
know one of them because I told you one after
you went down the line. But there are still a
few out there. So if anybody has any guesses on
that without looking, I'm sure to I'm.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Sure interested to see who people guess on that.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Now, well, we talked last time, we talked about quarterbacks.
I went under Russell Wilson thing, and I wondered about
the odds of success in Pittsburgh, And you know, what
are the odds of success for Russell Wilson? What are
the odds of success for somebody that age moving on
and you know, getting a championship or being successfully You've
crunched the numbers, You've crunched the data, and you've put
(18:44):
out a Twitter chart that notes very few instances in
NFL history of a quarterback age thirty six plus, joining
their team at age thirty five plus and winning ten
or more regular season games.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Only ten in the history of the National Football League,
and three of those ten spots go to Peyton Manning.
Two of the ten spots go to Tom Brady. No
surprise there, But it's really a testament then to just
how difficult it is to pick up a new system,
appliment yourself to a new culture, and then to go
out there and win games. So if you look at
(19:15):
the chart that I posted on Twitter, I'll start from
the bottom and I'll work my way up. I decided
just to rank them by passer rating ranking, so to
adjust for arow we have some different players, some different eras.
The raw numbers doesn't matter so much to me as
where they finished in terms of total ranking. You know,
Doug Flutie in nineteen ninety nine off of all went
ten and five. He didn't participate in the wild card,
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but he ranked twenty fourth and passerating. The Bills had
the number two scoring defense in the league that year.
You move up Philip Rivers when eleven and six, he
finished thirteenth in passer rating. Tom Brady, the year he
won the Super Bowl with Tampa Bay, is the only
one of the ten to actually win a championship, but
he finished ninth in passer rating, which was often times
the case for Tom win winning champion ships. Is he
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was that guy who was playing at a high level, yes,
but usually towards the middle or bottom of the top ten,
not towards the top. He's a three time NFL MVP
of three time first team All Pro, didn't win a
championship in any of those years. He had Tom playing
at a little bit higher level. In twenty twenty one
seventh place Peyon Manning was fourth in twenty fourteen yat
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Hittle I should say, actually two of the spots and
misspoke earlier at age thirty six. In nineteen sixty two,
finished third in the NFL and passer rating, and he
tops the chart with his nineteen sixty three season led
the NFL had a one hundred and four twenty eight
passer rating. In nineteen sixty three, he threw a single
season record thirty six touchdown passes and that record stood
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until nineteen eighty four and Marino through thirty eight that
Manning squirreled in and the number two and number three
spot second place finishes both times. So what you're going
to see in terms of the trends of the ten
quarterbacks listed on that chart is everybody, with the exception
of Peve Manning, had a top ten scoring defense behind them.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Manning.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
In twenty fourteen, the Broncos finished sixteenth and twenty thirteen
they finished twenty seconds. So if you're hoping to win
double digit games and even have a shot number one,
you better be playing at a high level. But just
as importantly, you need to have that top ten defense
to back you up.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Well.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Right, when we look at the game as we know.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
It now being played from the quarterback position, everyone wants
to explosive play. Now, for me, being a former defensive guy,
I'm cool with that guy being efficient. And yeah, you know,
you might say, well, he may or may not have
a great defense, but I want high efficiency because every
single game, I'll just say, maybe three times in a
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given game, you may have the ability to take a
shot down the field. But from your opinion, what do
you want more of? Because when we think about those
explosive once again, this one to three times a game.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
But is it explosive or the efficiency? Is this the
Alex Smith versus Jay Cutler argument?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
No, no, no, not necessarily. But I think when we
look at quarterbacks and we watch quarterbacks row eight to
ten yards, in my opinion, that's an explosive. But there
was the quarterbacks throw a checkdown, and we always say, well,
take what the defense gives you, but you still get
mad at the quarterback because he threw a checkdown.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Well as Tom Brady spent the majority of his career
defining what it means to be efficient and a winner
with throwing checkdowns. He of course had the occasional big ball.
It was never his specialty. It wasn't flashy football. So
you shouldn't have to choose one or the other. But
if I was forced to choose Alex Smith or Jay Cutler,
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in most cases, I would take Alex Smith. Most great
quarterbacks are a combination of a little bit of bolts.
Even guys like Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen, We're going
to see a mixture of efficiency and explosive plays. I think,
you know, trying to make a connection here to Broncos
country and and looking at gough Nick's style of play.
I've been calling him for months Drew breath Lay, and
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I think that's the best comparison. His arm is infinitely
stronger than Breeze's arm was at any point during his
time in New Orleans and certainly towards the end of
his career, so he can channel the occasional explosive play,
which we saw plenty with Go Nicks to Troy Franklin
and Oregon. But overall, if the root core of your
game is efficiency, I think that's the winning recipe.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Is that something that you know we're talking about quarterbacks aging,
Is that something that's that's necessary as to get older?
What about guys like like Randall Cobb in ninety eight,
Carson Palmer twenty fifteen. And we're looking at like three
quarterbacks that are joining this list now that have moved
on to other teams despite advanced age. Russell Wilson, There Rodgers,
Kirk Cousins, any of those likely to join the list.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
I would say that the most the quarterback with the
most realistic shot of doing that is probably Russell Wilson,
just given the strength of Pittsburg and defense and the
overall architecture of the team. Aaron Rodgers's going to be
forty one years old and he's coming off a significant
injury and that is not a good combination. So can
the Jets bounce back to the top ten caliber of
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defense that they were not in twenty twenty three but previously? Sure,
it's possible. And if you're playing complimentary football, as we
saw with Peyton Manning in twenty fifteen, you can win games.
So I expect Aaron Rodgers to be the driving force
behind the success of New York. I don't, and there
really isn't much of a precedent. Then, when you're looking
at the quarterbacks on this list, there were a quarterbacks
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who were carried and most of the quarterbacks played complimentary football,
meaning they may have been playing themselves at a high level,
but they had that top ten, top five defense on
the other side of the wall, I would say that
Russell Wilson has the best shot, but it's going to
be a tall task for all three guys when you're
looking at Russell Wilson, Aaron Dyers, and Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
But right, I mean, this is when we look at
the sport of football. It is complimentary football. It is
having a balance attack. It is relying on your running backs,
allowing your wide receivers to go out there and make
plays for you. So if you are a quarterback, whether
you are Russell, whether you are Aaron Rodgers, and you
say okay, well yeah, I'm a little long into two,
I can't do it the way that I used to
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why is it something wrong with just being considered like
a couple of mimentary peace playing the quarterback position.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
There certainly shouldn't be and it's a lot easier to
be that explosive duel threat when we're younger. And if
you look at the way Russell Wilson played the ball,
even despite his efficiency late in games last year, he
was still a shell of his former self. If you
compare that to prime Russell Wilson twenty fifteen, twenty seventeen,
even going up for twenty twenty, you can clearly tell
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us to different quarterbacks. So I don't see there being
any purpose in stigmatizing agent quarterbacks who evolve their game
in order to be complementary pieces. Because if that is
the way that you preserve your spot as a starter,
and you lean into that experience in terms of diagnosing defenses,
good decision making, that's absolutely what they should be doing
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at any age of their career. But if that's what
they're leaning on more heavily in an advanced age, and
then once we get the thirty six plus we're talking
about advanced age for quarterbacks, I think that's a very
good thing, not something that we should be spendatizing.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
As we look at this, I mean, how long can
somebody of Russell Wilson's skill set go on? Tom Brady
Peyton Manning a little bit different type of quarterback.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Brady, you know, probably more.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Reminiscent of any Testaverdy in a lot of ways in
terms of, you know, playing the way later in the
skill sets that they had, even though Brady did a
much better level do How does somebody like Russell Wilson,
who thrived on athleticism early in the career and the
ability to take the deep shot, how do they preserve
themselves for longevity.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
It's going to be a tremendous challenge in The obvious
answer is they have to continue to hone their skills
as a pocket passer. The closest comparison, which isn't going
to be a fair comparison, Randall Cunningham did in Minnesota
in nineteen ninety eight. He was arguably the most explosive
dor fright quarterback the sport has ever seen. He was
a shell of himself in terms of what he could
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do with his legs later in his career, but he
had the fortune of throwing the Randy Moss Chris Carter
and Jay Reid. So if you put a quarterback of
advanced age in a situation that's one of the best
in the history of football. Sure, Russell Wilson and a
number of other quarterbacks could have success in an offense
like that, But the reality is Pittsburgh's offense in twenty
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twenty four is not going to be the nineteen on
the eight VI house. So for that reason, despite my
very high opinion of Russell Wilson, I'm certainly nervous about
what's to come in twenty twenty four and behind So.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
What that bean said, when you look at older quarterbacks
and they're in that's twilight year of their career, can't
really do what they used to. Usually offensive coordinators tried
to ca the system around them.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
But pull it back to the Broncos for a second.
They got two young.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Quarterbacks and Zach Wilson and Bobiniks who may end up
being the starter for the Broncos franchise. Do you think
because of more years down the line for both Nixon
he's a young guy, so seean pateon be willing to
take more risk or as play calling with balls is
here a younger guy opposed to last season what we
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saw with Russell.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
I would say that because bo is a quarterback whose
skill set matches Seawan's offense, I agree with what Ben
said earlier today. They're not going to throw him in
there to be the starter just for the sake of
throwing him in there. And just from what I'm seeing
on the outside looking in, I think they're going to
exercise tremendous patients as far as how and when they
work him into the system. And when that time comes,
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whether it's halfway through the preseason, whether it's week one,
whether it's week five, we don't know yet. But when
his time does come, I don't think that Sean Payton
is going to be throwing the kitchen sink at him,
because that's not the way that you established familiarity and
a system has complex as his. So I think that
we're going to see a dial bad version of what
Sean Payton does by the time Bone Nicks takes over
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as the eventual starter.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Talking with Ryan Michael at the Ryan Michael on Twitter,
you said a great question here which kind of ties
into something Nick that I've been talking about, and it said,
would you rather have a ring as a non contributor
or an all pro on a team that falls short,
and the you know, the pr answer here is I'd
rather have the ring and be a selfless person. But
the real answer for me is I'd rather be an
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all pro man. Like, the more I started thinking about it,
I'm like, I'd rather be They can put other.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
People around me and we'll get there. You know, at
least that's my mentality.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Being a non contributor at getting a ring, I'm gonna
feel like I got.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Carried there, you know. I mean, it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Cool to show that hardware off or whatever, but I'm
gonna feel like kind of a punk, you know, if
I'm in league circles and I'm showing off this ring
that I that I got by riding the pine.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
I mean, it's really a question. It's really a question
best suited for someone like Peyton Manning who and I
don't want to use the term carried. I don't think
that that's fair. He played a very small percentage of
that season, even half healthy, and there were a lot
of things that he brought to the ta able that
I feel helped contribute to that Super Bowl ring in
twenty fifteen. But if you just go back to twenty thirteen.
He had arguably the greatest single season in the history
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of pro football, won a conference championship, but not a
Super Bowl. The late great Damarius Thomas is another good example,
where in Super Bowl fifty he caught one of six
targets for eight yards, won a championship, and in Super
Bowl forty eight against Seattle, he caught a then Super
Bowl record thirteen passes for one hundred and eighteen yards
in a touchdown. And that wasn't exactly garbage yarders. They
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were very hard fought yards. Even though they were all
for or not, they didn't amount to a lot of points.
So I mean, in which season and in which game
did he play at a higher level far and away
twenty thirteen, I think most players would say they'd rather
have the ring. I don't think it necessarily has to
be one extreme or the other. I think the better
question is really the Tom Brady question, where the guy
has seven rings. In five or six of those seven rings,
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he was towards the middle or bottom of the top
ten amongst his peers. Whether you're looking at adjusted net
yards per ten dvo A total QVR, pick your metric,
but he had a collection of seasons where he was
clearly the best quarterback in football and had no rings
to show for it. I would say that if you're
a first team All Pro, you're certainly contributing more to
your team's chances of winning. You're a gold medal winner
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as an individual for lack of a better phrase, compared
to a lot of guys who wouldn't even hit the
bronze medal, but maybe they were the six or seventh
best quarterback in football winning a championship. The latter is
what is revered more, but the former is unquestionably what's
more impressive in terms of what that individual player is
contributing to their team's chances of winning a championship.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I wonder what the eighth place medal would be. That'd
probably be my home right there. Maybe it's a wooden
medals you know something I don't know, but now right
we always appreciated at d Ryan Michael on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Looking forward to catching up with you again here soon.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Sounds good, Ben, Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Thank care.
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Speaker 2 (32:27):
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Welcome to it, Broncos Country tonight. But with all Brian Nick, Ferguson,
Grant Smith, Hall of Famer, Steve Atwater sticking around for
an extra segment.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
That's that's Hall of Fame effort right there. Man. Well
see what you gotta think, little jacket, I owe this now,
you don't. You know, it's a little bit, but we
probably owe you at this point. No, no, you see
you two.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I mean, I'm gonna encourage that attitude because it benefits
the show to you know, to have you on.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
But I appreciate it. I'm glad to be here. Six
sixty nine zeros. A text line.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I've been talking about different you know, personality types and
coaching and and that kind of stuff and soaking this up.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
When you're at this this stage right here.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
And it's a little bit different now because you've got
expanded practice squad, so it's not as like vital to
make the fifty three as it was. It's still a
matter prior to make the fifty three, but there's like
a twenty man practice squad. They're rotating you up all year,
so you still sort of make the team. If you
make the practice squad, you're probably going to be active
part of the game is do you think that that
changes the nature of roster competition.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I would say not.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I say I would say that the people who really
want to play and who out there giving it, they're
all They're going to do that regardless.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
You know, you know, it doesn't matter. They're trying to
be a starter.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Let me give you, for instance, like Lil Jordan Humphrey,
right in any normal ten years ago when we didn't
have the practice squad the way it is now, Lil
Jordan Humphrey's making the fifty three right just by virtue
of what he does.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
But on this roster, is he making the fifty three?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Probably not, because you've got the big four at Courtland,
Tim Patrick, Marvin Madmams, and Josh Reynolds. Right then you
got the two guys you drafted that you're probably not
giving up in Davavalle and Troy Franklin.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
And Troy's been getting coach.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Pretty hard out there, pretty vocal by John Morton. So
are you kid, that's six right there? Are you keeping
seven wide receivers? Orre you putting a guy like little
Jordan on the practice squad where you could keep calling
him up over and over and then figure it out
as it goes along. And so that's the reason I
asked that, does it change the mentality the competitive fire
when you know you've got a fallback plan like.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
The practice squad? Just talk about the mentality of foods, thelayer,
coach and the player.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I'm talking about players, because I mean, you got twenty
extra spots where you're technically making the team now instead
of you know, I.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Think the dogs, the guys who really want to get there,
they're gonna they're gonna play their best regardless. And I
would hope that all the players are like that, that
they're not just playing to make the practice squad, right.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I probably ask the wrong guys because you guys both
have the same mentality, Like that's same, Like I'm gonna
make it mentality, you know kind of.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I mean, I don't know anybody. Well, maybe there were
some guys who we all know, guys want to go
by everyone, We just want to be on the team.
But man, hey, Mike Shannon, they like those players, right hey.
And I don't think Chanpagne like those type of players either.
Probably one guys who want to compete, who are gonna
co come out and they show up every single day,
they're gonna give it there af and if you if
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you're not, hey, if you keep those kind of guys around,
it's what your whole your whole team is gonna have
that attitude.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
So you know containing that the guys gonna have they
have that attitude.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
You know, I think it's that eighty twenty rule, because
you're gonna get eighty percent.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Of the guy is trying to make the team. But
to your point, you're.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Gonna get guys who look around the room when they said, well,
last season, the Broncos kept eight receivers, a couple of
guys on the practice squad. So maybe I can be
that rotational guy, still collecting the track, writing your ideas,
still adding to the pension, but I really don't have
to really be in.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
It goes back to the conversation.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
You and I had last week when I said, Okay,
would you rather be on the championship team and compete
and lose or be on a championship team win a
ring and you didn't really contribute it anyway?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, would you either get.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
The star of a non championship team or win the
ring and not have done anything?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
That's a good question. I have a ring. People who
are saying, just give me a ring. Let see see
I went over the weekend. I thought about that because
I'm like, well, wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I'd rather have the ring because I'd rather have the ring,
But me as a person wants to be I don't
want to be on the sideline.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Put me in coach.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Maybe if you started for several years and you know
one year you had off year and you didn't start.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, I take it that time, but I don't tell.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Me you contribute and your Melvin Gordon on the Chiefs,
guess what you ring, He's not going to turn it down.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I was like.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
The Chiefs too, But it's one of those kind of
situations where I'm like, well, you know, I want to ring.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I want that hardware, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And if my team's good enough to get there and
they're carrying me, okay. But at the same time, like
I got to think about this weekend, I'm like, you
know what, I need to change my answer? Yeah, I mean, like,
as much as I joke about sustained mediocrity.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Even for the Bushes, you haven't you can say it
right now. I have said I was. I was I
was it won't come out. I was mistaken. I'm just
saying I'm not wired that way.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Like I got to thinking about it this week, I'm like, man,
I am actually, I'm like, I was full of crap
the other night because you know what, I wouldn't want
the ring.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I mean I want the ring or put me on
the field, want to play. I'm gonna get it. I'm
gonna go get it. Okay, I'm not sing like.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
As much as I joke about you guys know how
I am like a joke about stuff in reality, Like, dude,
I have hyper competitive. I winned it. I'm winning everything.
I'm winning at the walk into the walking through the
gates to practice, I'm winning that. Like, I'm hyper competitive.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
It's just like if you're flipping coins trying to get
close to the wall, you want to win.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
You're playing paper football, you.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Would have win.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I played Monopoly to win. Yes, oh yeah, ask my cousin.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Look I when I go back to Saint Louis, we
got to the Little Spider's called a little social place
where they have game back basketball, always shoot basketball.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yes, the punch power bag. I'm winning the punch power bag.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Okay, I'm just saying like I'm I don't do stuff
to not win.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
You know, Ben wants to win so much, he's to
lower the bar to win.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
But I think that the.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Players they want to win, even they go out there
and give it there all.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
They want to win. But most teams can't win. Everybody
can't wait to understand that. But what's against things?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
It's one thing to go out there and give it
your all and lose. It's another thing just not to
give anything and just kind of guy on the squad.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
You just a jag. Yeah yeah, yeah, Well I'll tell
you what I ain't saying. You not my rookie year.
We go to the.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Super Bowl and we played San Francisco forty nine and
we get be fifty five to ten, and that was
like one of the worst days of my life. After
the game, you know, people wanted to go out, man.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I don't want to go out. I don't want to
go anywhere.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I just want to go to my room and I
want to see what the heck happened here and what
can we do next year to be better.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
But I'm I'm the same way, man. It's the way
we when else in the army. We used to have
like we had flag football to our flag football. She
was good, right, so but tet me just faces though good.
I would have rather won a ring though, Well.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yeah I wouldn't, Yes, yes, yeah, if somebody was going
me and we could have want to ring.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Let me ask how difficult was that halftime? Oh? Man,
it was. It was terrible.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
And half time I was like, bro, we we cooked.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I got out number. Bro, at least we're honest. At
least that you can't see Steve's face right now. Hey,
I was in the long room.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Man, Just imagine the yoke Steve Atwaters just sitting like
we don't they got our number.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Hey, we're gonna fight now. I'm gonna play then, But man,
they got our numbers. They saying, Jave, we got on
quarter in this thing, right, We're going down to get
on Hey man, Bro, I'm getting channel. But we canna believe.
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I believe what the school was at all time. But
it was unbelievable. We'd got being like that all season.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
We just shot and we just we're just looking at
each other like, well, how's this happening?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
What's going on? Everybody got a plan? Take you punch
in the mouth.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Boy.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
We got placed in the mouth and the jaws. Just
I was just picture Russ.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
We just gottalieve job if you go to the clap
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
But I'm like, man, that's what not to get all.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Not to get off on a tangent because I like Russ,
but he is a dork and and that kind of
stuff like that. That's what I think everybody was talking
about when want to see emotion from him and I
don't talk about him.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
He's gone now all the kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
But I think that's what everybody was talking about when
they're saying it felt, you know, authentic, because.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
That's the kind of stuff he was doing. You beat
down fifty five to ten and he's sitting in there club.
We just gotta believe job. No, no, but believe they're
carrying us through this one.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
But would you rather have your quarterback say that or
always say, hey, guys, we're cooked.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Let's go out there and just lay down.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Oh let's see, I don't say that, like if it's
me and I'm giving the speech at my minute that
they got us.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Let's let's give him something to remember on the way
out the door. Let's just spoil the night for him
right now.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
They're not going they're not going out partying to night
without remembering they played the Denver box and see what
you wanted them to say?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Yeah, Ben, you know what, maybe if you would have
caught that last third down, we would have done in
that situation, right, yes, Stee.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I'm sorry, I got maybe suntans for hands.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Right right exactly.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
So, once again, what type of leader do you want
to be? Like?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
You you caught.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Between the rock and a hard place, because if you
overly criticize your teammates, you're wrong. If you are like
where Russ was and people thought he was not authentic.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Then you well, I'm not. I don't have to criticize
my teammates at that point across.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
I don't have to do like I don't have to
be like Ferguson you have to drop, you know, I
don't have to do that. I'm just saying like, look, guys,
we're losing, but I'm let's let's see if we can't
call Away back in this thing, we'll go to make
them remember they played us at.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
The minimum and after the game. This is what I
learned to go to the tunel before they go to
the club. I got this from Rannie lied. He said,
you playing for right exactly.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
You know, so after the game, you know, after the game,
when you go by and you shake people, you know,
guys who gave up, you're like, many get out my
face exactly, versus a guy who gave it.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
We got I'm walking up to ride my baby, but
you have I'm expecting look at him in the eye,
expecting to hear back, Hey, I got to hit the
towel before hit the club later, you know, like they
that's what That's what I'm talking about, that kind of thing, And.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
You know what, that's why I love play and against
Philip Rivers and Tom Brady. You know, even though Philip
Rivers his way of swearing was more hilarious than damage.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, yeah, your stuff laughing more than anything.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Yeah, But like with Tom, Tom would come up to
you and he'd be like, hey man, that's a great game.
So it's kind of a real recognized reel. But when
you're saying, if you playing against the opponent and you're
getting a beat down, certain players that'll come up to
even in that loss and be like, dude, you were
exactly all the guys you like, whatever, man, move on.
He'd go to the next person trying to remember who
it was it was.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
It was a game a couple of years ago where
the Raiders ended up running the same play, like seventeen
or twenty two plays a run play. The Raiders were
beating us, and there was one player on the Broncos defense.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
It was still sitting there. Most of the guys had
kind of packed it in and it was.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
One guy out there and it was it was interesting
to watch. At the end of the game, where the
defense from the Rate came, they would have made a
point to go to him like, hey, we were going
to say you're still.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Out there, You're still exactly the respect that.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, this is why I know we in Broncos country.
But real recognized real, so I'm gonna speak it with
the power. This is why I like Max Rosby because
he's one of those guys. He doesn't care. Yes, he's
given everything, he is going to exhaust himself and it's
just like, well, that's how I want to see players play,
(11:15):
even if you play for an opponent.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Dude, I got mad props for you being able to
do that.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, we don't have props toll the whistle blow, final whistle. Yeah,
of course then we got Yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
That's it, and it's fun.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I mean crossby against right, that's.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
And it costs me to a hell of player on top.
So that's fine to watch.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
But on top of that, yeah, we will recognize real
kind of thing like when you see that and they
see that.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Level of respect.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
And to tie that back to trading camp here, it
feels like there have been years and it's not been
the last two years, but there have been years here
where you have seen guys and you know they're coasting
and you sort of see it accepted. You don't really
see that now. I have seen that the last two years.
And you know three years ago, three years ago, I
could have gone out in the field runner oute, nobody
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would have cared.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Now have a real you know, like then you won't
come out. Sure what up?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Now you got you have an organized accountability man.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Right, And then I think that's the biggest thing is
Sean brought here is there is a professional standard down.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Not that Vic didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Uh and I'm gonna skip over the guy after him,
but it was you know there there's the return from
the clown show in a sense has been jarring to me.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
This is why both George Baden and Sean Payton tried
to do or trying to do a great job of
bringing in guys who they feel that they want to
build the culture around, right who they are culture building
type of pieces.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
And when you look at this team, this team is.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Really young, and you look at Vegas odds they don't
have the team winning more than four games. But for me,
I'm just like you, Steve. The way that the guys
should approach it is because yes, take that on as
a challenge. No one's giving you an opportunity, and you
can there's a possibility there is a couple of wins,
maybe three to four, that you can catch a couple
people slipping.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, you're going to catch people said, because they're they're
underestimating absolutely, and no need to. Don't run in your
mouth talking about all we turn them up, but keep crying,
keep quieting.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
And kick their butts. Six six zero is the text
slowne Yes, man, my little league teams. Bro, those teams
just be talking.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
So much that those word boy, we went out there
and put it on them.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, I'm I'm the worst about that too. I love it,
I love it talk. I love to talking. Video game Oh,
I'm chirping. I even talk to Steve about that. Yeah,
playing because I'll be the new college football game. Yeah.
Well I've been playing his army with the triple option,
be making.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
People the clock run these on the flex bone.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Have you happen to wear the two backs again? Yeah,
the flex bone and then you handed to the back. Yes,
I'm running that again.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
You're talking about that pistol playoffs, the veer off pistol. Yeah,
the veer Dude, I'm playing Against'm an army playing against Alabama,
and I'm winning, like you know, I'm winning twenty And
these guys are so mad that they have because these
kids ain't ever seen the flex bone.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
They're too young, they never they never saw it. So
these kids don't know how to stop.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
And they're yelling at me through the head stat they're
calling calling me every like I can't even say half
their stuff on the air. They're calling me every name
under the sun. And I'm I'm chewing. I'm waiting till
the one second of the play clock to snap it
like I am.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
They are so that guy. Man, I'm playing with arm
This is.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Like Ohio State, LSU, Alabama, and I'm oh and I'm waiting.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
They're so mad. Yeah, brings to you out of my life
five six, six nine zeros of text. And by the way, to.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Wheil says juicy Fruit gum was the first product to
ever have a barcode.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Interesting bit of trivia there, if you ever wondered.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Uh, just because you're not playing doesn't mean you're not contributing.
You're making the starters better just by practicing.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Sometimes player sometimes sometimes.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Wait, there's some guys who are on a roster just
because they have the adequate size to be on a roster.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
That's it. I've seen it. Okay, five six six ninezers
of text.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I'm sorry, guys, there's a bunch of people here and
I wish I could have gotten all of you some
of you.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
The text line was being weird. Uh. Stanksy from Utah says,
if there's.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Anybody you want cut or want to trade, just let
me know. I will buy their jersey and believe me,
it will happen. That's been the motif. Go Broncos. I
guess every time Stacey buy the Broncos jersey that player
gets cut or traded.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Really, he's telling us right now. If you know the
lot of a lot of numbers. Oh okay, I'm sorry. Yeah,
but if he's got that a lot of yeah, Stacy,
if youve got some lot of numbers, we don't need them,
I'm saying absolutely.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Or actually, if we play them then you know, yeah,
he plays in the met to lose, maybe should give
him the Stacy, Well, he gives us that, we go
the opposite.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
That's that's the way that works. So anyway, five six, six,
nine zero. Any anything else you guys notice real quick
for we got to hit the break? Anything else you
guys notice out there train camp.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Well, the one thing about the run game, based on
what we've seen in practice, you can tell the Broncos
this year want to be committed to running the ball. Now,
who's going to get the bulk of those carries? We
don't know. But as far as my eyes can see,
the guy that some in the media criticized last year
and say he lost the step, Davonte Williams, I mean
(16:00):
do Yeah, the report these obituary was pretty mature.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yes, And I don't understand because I don't I don't
understand how that people don't understand. I don't understand how
people don't understand that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, makes sense that players after.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
You have a severe ineer injury to in the issery
like that, the first year back, you're not going to
be really one dred percent.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Now was he was he healthier year? Yes? But was
he back to Javonte?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
No, he will normally takes a couple of years, and
it took the second year afterwards.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Normally is that year And man, he looks great out
there and he goes. He looks phenomenal. So it'll be
good to see guys.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
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We're going to go right out to the KWA comsper
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Michael at the Brian Michael on Twitter?
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Ryan, how you doing this evening?
Speaker 6 (17:36):
Doing well?
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Then?
Speaker 6 (17:37):
Nick?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
How are you guys do it pretty well?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I put a put a little little trivia thing out there.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Maybe you can answer this.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Of the quarterbacks to take snaps within the five yard line,
I means five yards or less to Golden Goost situations,
of the sixty one quarterbacks to take a snap in
that situation, sixty attempted to pass. Six players were intercepted,
one of which was Daniel Jones, who went over three
passing in that scenario. Can you name any of the
other five.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Off the top of my head? I don't think I can.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
You got me sum Yeah, well Nick got one, he
got Lamar Jackson because that was one of them. So
there are still there are still four more. Now you
know one of them because I told you one after
you went down the line. But there are still a
few out there. So if anybody has any guesses on
that without looking, I'm sure to I'm.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Sure interested to see who people guess on that.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Now, well, we talked last time, we talked about quarterbacks.
I went under Russell Wilson thing, and I wondered about
the odds of success in Pittsburgh, And you know, what
are the odds of success for Russell Wilson? What are
the odds of success for somebody that age moving on
and you know, getting a championship or being successfully You've
crunched the numbers, You've crunched the data, and you've put
(18:44):
out a Twitter chart that notes very few instances in
NFL history of a quarterback age thirty six plus, joining
their team at age thirty five plus and winning ten
or more regular season games.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Only ten in the history of the National Football League,
and three of those ten spots go to Peyton Manning.
Two of the ten spots go to Tom Brady. No
surprise there, But it's really a testament then to just
how difficult it is to pick up a new system,
appliment yourself to a new culture, and then to go
out there and win games. So if you look at
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the chart that I posted on Twitter, I'll start from
the bottom and I'll work my way up. I decided
just to rank them by passer rating ranking, so to
adjust for arow we have some different players, some different eras.
The raw numbers doesn't matter so much to me as
where they finished in terms of total ranking. You know,
Doug Flutie in nineteen ninety nine off of all went
ten and five. He didn't participate in the wild card,
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but he ranked twenty fourth and passerating. The Bills had
the number two scoring defense in the league that year.
You move up Philip Rivers when eleven and six, he
finished thirteenth in passer rating. Tom Brady, the year he
won the Super Bowl with Tampa Bay, is the only
one of the ten to actually win a championship, but
he finished ninth in passer rating, which was often times
the case for Tom win winning champion ships. Is he
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was that guy who was playing at a high level, yes,
but usually towards the middle or bottom of the top ten,
not towards the top. He's a three time NFL MVP
of three time first team All Pro, didn't win a
championship in any of those years. He had Tom playing
at a little bit higher level. In twenty twenty one
seventh place Peyon Manning was fourth in twenty fourteen yat
(20:21):
Hittle I should say, actually two of the spots and
misspoke earlier at age thirty six. In nineteen sixty two,
finished third in the NFL and passer rating, and he
tops the chart with his nineteen sixty three season led
the NFL had a one hundred and four twenty eight
passer rating. In nineteen sixty three, he threw a single
season record thirty six touchdown passes and that record stood
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until nineteen eighty four and Marino through thirty eight that
Manning squirreled in and the number two and number three
spot second place finishes both times. So what you're going
to see in terms of the trends of the ten
quarterbacks listed on that chart is everybody, with the exception
of Peve Manning, had a top ten scoring defense behind them.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Manning.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
In twenty fourteen, the Broncos finished sixteenth and twenty thirteen
they finished twenty seconds. So if you're hoping to win
double digit games and even have a shot number one,
you better be playing at a high level. But just
as importantly, you need to have that top ten defense
to back you up.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Well.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Right, when we look at the game as we know.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
It now being played from the quarterback position, everyone wants
to explosive play. Now, for me, being a former defensive guy,
I'm cool with that guy being efficient. And yeah, you know,
you might say, well, he may or may not have
a great defense, but I want high efficiency because every
single game, I'll just say, maybe three times in a
(21:41):
given game, you may have the ability to take a
shot down the field. But from your opinion, what do
you want more of? Because when we think about those
explosive once again, this one to three times a game.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
But is it explosive or the efficiency? Is this the
Alex Smith versus Jay Cutler argument?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
No, no, no, not necessarily. But I think when we
look at quarterbacks and we watch quarterbacks row eight to
ten yards, in my opinion, that's an explosive. But there
was the quarterbacks throw a checkdown, and we always say, well,
take what the defense gives you, but you still get
mad at the quarterback because he threw a checkdown.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
Well as Tom Brady spent the majority of his career
defining what it means to be efficient and a winner
with throwing checkdowns. He of course had the occasional big ball.
It was never his specialty. It wasn't flashy football. So
you shouldn't have to choose one or the other. But
if I was forced to choose Alex Smith or Jay Cutler,
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in most cases, I would take Alex Smith. Most great
quarterbacks are a combination of a little bit of bolts.
Even guys like Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen, We're going
to see a mixture of efficiency and explosive plays. I think,
you know, trying to make a connection here to Broncos
country and and looking at gough Nick's style of play.
I've been calling him for months Drew breath Lay, and
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I think that's the best comparison. His arm is infinitely
stronger than Breeze's arm was at any point during his
time in New Orleans and certainly towards the end of
his career, so he can channel the occasional explosive play,
which we saw plenty with Go Nicks to Troy Franklin
and Oregon. But overall, if the root core of your
game is efficiency, I think that's the winning recipe.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Is that something that you know we're talking about quarterbacks aging,
Is that something that's that's necessary as to get older?
What about guys like like Randall Cobb in ninety eight,
Carson Palmer twenty fifteen. And we're looking at like three
quarterbacks that are joining this list now that have moved
on to other teams despite advanced age. Russell Wilson, There Rodgers,
Kirk Cousins, any of those likely to join the list.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
I would say that the most the quarterback with the
most realistic shot of doing that is probably Russell Wilson,
just given the strength of Pittsburg and defense and the
overall architecture of the team. Aaron Rodgers's going to be
forty one years old and he's coming off a significant
injury and that is not a good combination. So can
the Jets bounce back to the top ten caliber of
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defense that they were not in twenty twenty three but previously? Sure,
it's possible. And if you're playing complimentary football, as we
saw with Peyton Manning in twenty fifteen, you can win games.
So I expect Aaron Rodgers to be the driving force
behind the success of New York. I don't, and there
really isn't much of a precedent. Then, when you're looking
at the quarterbacks on this list, there were a quarterbacks
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who were carried and most of the quarterbacks played complimentary football,
meaning they may have been playing themselves at a high level,
but they had that top ten, top five defense on
the other side of the wall, I would say that
Russell Wilson has the best shot, but it's going to
be a tall task for all three guys when you're
looking at Russell Wilson, Aaron Dyers, and Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
But right, I mean, this is when we look at
the sport of football. It is complimentary football. It is
having a balance attack. It is relying on your running backs,
allowing your wide receivers to go out there and make
plays for you. So if you are a quarterback, whether
you are Russell, whether you are Aaron Rodgers, and you
say okay, well yeah, I'm a little long into two,
I can't do it the way that I used to
(25:15):
why is it something wrong with just being considered like
a couple of mimentary peace playing the quarterback position.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
There certainly shouldn't be and it's a lot easier to
be that explosive duel threat when we're younger. And if
you look at the way Russell Wilson played the ball,
even despite his efficiency late in games last year, he
was still a shell of his former self. If you
compare that to prime Russell Wilson twenty fifteen, twenty seventeen,
even going up for twenty twenty, you can clearly tell
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us to different quarterbacks. So I don't see there being
any purpose in stigmatizing agent quarterbacks who evolve their game
in order to be complementary pieces. Because if that is
the way that you preserve your spot as a starter,
and you lean into that experience in terms of diagnosing defenses,
good decision making, that's absolutely what they should be doing
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at any age of their career. But if that's what
they're leaning on more heavily in an advanced age, and
then once we get the thirty six plus we're talking
about advanced age for quarterbacks, I think that's a very
good thing, not something that we should be spendatizing.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
As we look at this, I mean, how long can
somebody of Russell Wilson's skill set go on? Tom Brady
Peyton Manning a little bit different type of quarterback.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Brady, you know, probably more.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Reminiscent of any Testaverdy in a lot of ways in
terms of, you know, playing the way later in the
skill sets that they had, even though Brady did a
much better level do How does somebody like Russell Wilson,
who thrived on athleticism early in the career and the
ability to take the deep shot, how do they preserve
themselves for longevity.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
It's going to be a tremendous challenge in The obvious
answer is they have to continue to hone their skills
as a pocket passer. The closest comparison, which isn't going
to be a fair comparison, Randall Cunningham did in Minnesota
in nineteen ninety eight. He was arguably the most explosive
dor fright quarterback the sport has ever seen. He was
a shell of himself in terms of what he could
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do with his legs later in his career, but he
had the fortune of throwing the Randy Moss Chris Carter
and Jay Reid. So if you put a quarterback of
advanced age in a situation that's one of the best
in the history of football. Sure, Russell Wilson and a
number of other quarterbacks could have success in an offense
like that, But the reality is Pittsburgh's offense in twenty
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twenty four is not going to be the nineteen on
the eight VI house. So for that reason, despite my
very high opinion of Russell Wilson, I'm certainly nervous about
what's to come in twenty twenty four and behind So.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
What that bean said, when you look at older quarterbacks
and they're in that's twilight year of their career, can't
really do what they used to. Usually offensive coordinators tried
to ca the system around them.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
But pull it back to the Broncos for a second.
They got two young.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Quarterbacks and Zach Wilson and Bobiniks who may end up
being the starter for the Broncos franchise. Do you think
because of more years down the line for both Nixon
he's a young guy, so seean pateon be willing to
take more risk or as play calling with balls is
here a younger guy opposed to last season what we
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saw with Russell.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
I would say that because bo is a quarterback whose
skill set matches Seawan's offense, I agree with what Ben
said earlier today. They're not going to throw him in
there to be the starter just for the sake of
throwing him in there. And just from what I'm seeing
on the outside looking in, I think they're going to
exercise tremendous patients as far as how and when they
work him into the system. And when that time comes,
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whether it's halfway through the preseason, whether it's week one,
whether it's week five, we don't know yet. But when
his time does come, I don't think that Sean Payton
is going to be throwing the kitchen sink at him,
because that's not the way that you established familiarity and
a system has complex as his. So I think that
we're going to see a dial bad version of what
Sean Payton does by the time Bone Nicks takes over
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as the eventual starter.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Talking with Ryan Michael at the Ryan Michael on Twitter,
you said a great question here which kind of ties
into something Nick that I've been talking about, and it said,
would you rather have a ring as a non contributor
or an all pro on a team that falls short,
and the you know, the pr answer here is I'd
rather have the ring and be a selfless person. But
the real answer for me is I'd rather be an
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all pro man. Like, the more I started thinking about it,
I'm like, I'd rather be They can put other.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
People around me and we'll get there. You know, at
least that's my mentality.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Being a non contributor at getting a ring, I'm gonna
feel like I got.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Carried there, you know. I mean, it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Cool to show that hardware off or whatever, but I'm
gonna feel like kind of a punk, you know, if
I'm in league circles and I'm showing off this ring
that I that I got by riding the pine.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
I mean, it's really a question. It's really a question
best suited for someone like Peyton Manning who and I
don't want to use the term carried. I don't think
that that's fair. He played a very small percentage of
that season, even half healthy, and there were a lot
of things that he brought to the ta able that
I feel helped contribute to that Super Bowl ring in
twenty fifteen. But if you just go back to twenty thirteen.
He had arguably the greatest single season in the history
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of pro football, won a conference championship, but not a
Super Bowl. The late great Damarius Thomas is another good example,
where in Super Bowl fifty he caught one of six
targets for eight yards, won a championship, and in Super
Bowl forty eight against Seattle, he caught a then Super
Bowl record thirteen passes for one hundred and eighteen yards
in a touchdown. And that wasn't exactly garbage yarders. They
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were very hard fought yards. Even though they were all
for or not, they didn't amount to a lot of points.
So I mean, in which season and in which game
did he play at a higher level far and away
twenty thirteen, I think most players would say they'd rather
have the ring. I don't think it necessarily has to
be one extreme or the other. I think the better
question is really the Tom Brady question, where the guy
has seven rings. In five or six of those seven rings,
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he was towards the middle or bottom of the top
ten amongst his peers. Whether you're looking at adjusted net
yards per ten dvo A total QVR, pick your metric,
but he had a collection of seasons where he was
clearly the best quarterback in football and had no rings
to show for it. I would say that if you're
a first team All Pro, you're certainly contributing more to
your team's chances of winning. You're a gold medal winner
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as an individual for lack of a better phrase, compared
to a lot of guys who wouldn't even hit the
bronze medal, but maybe they were the six or seventh
best quarterback in football winning a championship. The latter is
what is revered more, but the former is unquestionably what's
more impressive in terms of what that individual player is
contributing to their team's chances of winning a championship.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I wonder what the eighth place medal would be. That'd
probably be my home right there. Maybe it's a wooden
medals you know something I don't know, but now right
we always appreciated at d Ryan Michael on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Looking forward to catching up with you again here soon.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Sounds good, Ben, Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Thank care.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
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