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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, Happy Saturday, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:34):
Ben, good morning, how are you? I'm sorry, I was
just tending to my engagement crops over here.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I'm glad you're being honest though, Finally.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
The opinion that disagrees with Ryan's engagement farming and you
could only get the truth at our Awarde Radio done.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Farmer Ben, that's what that's what they're calling you out here.
That's what all the media members are calling you out here.
Farmer Ben.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I do provide the goods for all of America. That's
not that's not why they're calling you that.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
But it's good to see you. And uh, how how
Saturday treating you? I see you're you're showing up with
your customary fast food.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
It's good. Yeah, I treat your body like a temple.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
That's what it's what I do. It's uh, you know,
it's it's important to keep it, keep it tight. So
you know I went with the with the protein, with
the sausage.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
There is that at least diet coke.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, okay, good, thank god, just one calorie not even.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
But you get past forty you kind of have to
go diet coke right to Actually, I don't like diet coke.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I think it takes gross I think it's awful. Coke
zero is if I'm going, if I'm doing that, okay,
coke zero. But I had to die cooke taste all.
It's just what came with the sandwich that I.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Was like, all right, my dad was a big diet
coke guy.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, my mom too. Yeah. I'm not an aspertame guy.
Is an aspertain or a Sparta may. I'm just trying
to get I got him to laugh. I'm just trying
to get ros Kaminsky to laugh.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Well, le's let's sort of a quick pull at all
bright NFL and we'll do.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
The thing told up there in the ten yesterday, I said,
my goal the rest of this training camp was just
to get one to get my cliss to crack character
one time. Oh my god, that was so funny. It
was like, I'm a pretty easy laugh. I'm like, well,
what does that say about my comedy?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Yep, that was one of the best moments of Trading
camp so far.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
You're like you you're because you being who you are
in your personality, you tend to you little Grigory's but
more than anything, as you're trying to entertain everybody up there,
you you got your comedy show up at a routine
going you. Meanwhile, everybody's watching practice once again. You at
the standard routine. Maybe that's why your Twitter account is
the way it is. But anyways, I digress.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Popular, You're welcome. That's good.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
That the coke is working, that's good. That's good. Uh
that coke.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
But yeah, but diet coke putting emphasis on that after
Ross's segment the other day.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
But anyways, uh yeah, no, I mean you you you've
got the standard routine going.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
But man, Mike Clips.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Just like I'm a left field too, you know, you
never know what. Mike's kind of got a one liner
on standby there.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
It was the greatest moment. He's like, I actually have.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
A pretty easy laugh. I don't like, oh oh.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
It hurts, get your right to the quick anyway. So
we're out here there, of course doing some stretching. Now
today expect it to be a bit of a scrimmage
day according to coach Peyton, as he told us just
a couple of days ago, and we got the guys
in pads, so I don't know. Today could be a
little bit of fun. I think they're gonna do some
situational things.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
It's fascinating to me, Ben because historically this is obviously
pre Sean Payton.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
We used to do these Saturday practice out of the
stadium like this was it.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
This was an events. I do recall I had the
roving microphone out there. Oh yeah, I remember I got
joinked on the head by a Branda McManus kick one time.
I mean, the fans on the south stands remember that.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
There's some kind of joke I'd like to make, but
probably not going to about that, but I will.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I will. Situational awareness.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
We try to coach that all the time around here.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
But to that point, do you like that we still
do it this way now where it's it's more of
a it's just just like a normal training camp practice,
maybe amped up a little bit with some pads, with
a little bit of a scrimmage before the day off tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Or do you do you miss it a little bit
at the stadium?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I miss it. I like the atmosphere of the environment, you know,
it kind of kind of puts you in football mode.
I think I'd like to see the joint practice scrimmage
kind of stuff out there, you know, with the Packers,
but you won't because you know, you get the preseason game.
So I missed that a little bit. You know, scrimmage
out here okay, cool, but you know you fewer fans
can see it. And I don't know. I'm a big
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fan of practice. What you're gonna do, and if you're
gonna do a scrimmage, do it out there in the
stadium like you with a real game. Yeah, play any
real games out here.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Five six six niney zero Ethan from North Dakota, chiming in.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
All we want to hear is the different perspectives you
two have through practice. So I mean, we're gonna try
to give that to you as best we can. We
do have quite a few people that are gonna stopping by.
We're gonna be checking with VK. Brandon Christall from Canton,
Randy Graschar being inducted into the Hall of Fame today.
Although there is a weather delay right now out in Ohio.
Boy that this time of year. I mean even the
Hall of Fame game Thursday night, they just third halfway
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through the third quarter, third quarter, like all right, we're good. Then,
we've seen enough the weathers coming in.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
We're good.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But this time of year in Canton especially, and I
was out there for Steve Atwaters Hall of Fame induction,
it was the same deal. I mean it was the
thunderstorms get pretty narly this time of year up in Ohio.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Well, checking with.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
BK at ten twenty, Rick Lewis is gonna swing by,
Susie Warrigen's gonna swing by.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
So we got and we got all sorts of really
cool people out here.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
You mentioned Ross is hanging out, Ryan Schuling, who you've
heard on Kawa, He's hanging around. So it's gonna be
a really fun day and we'll obviously get to Athen's
quiet point. I guess we will get to some observations
over the course of camp, some of the differing opinions
you and I have on what we're watching out here.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
And that's okay.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
In the end, Ben has been a little less impressed
with bon Nix and I have been more impressed. Once again,
I being a glass half full kind of individual, I
tend to see things a little bit from the optimus side.
And Ben listens to the Cure twenty four to seven
and is in his feelings in the dark most of
his life.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I wish I was feeling a better performance from Bonnicks
and then we wouldn't have to have this problem.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
So again, you're being hyperbat like you you.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Every time you try to I'm gonna turn the phrase
on you.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
It's as though if you've been preparing.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I sat in front of a mirror last night for
two hours prepping for for Ryan Edwards quips.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Well, listen, I'll have to just get more creative. That's
that's really what it comes down.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
It'd be nice for ones. Oh okay, all right, two
guys out here I've seen without pads so far, Roddy
Perkins and Zach Allen. Allen was on a veteran rest
day yesterday, so interesting that he doesn't have pads on
right now. Nick Benito also, yeah, I well, as I say,
I'm trying, I haven't seen them all. I'm just trying
to go through and pick out the ones that I
have seen so far. So Benito was expected, Zach Allen
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was not. I was expecting them to be out here
in past today.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So is Sean and he said as much on the
first yesterday you co coach Peyton said as much yesterday.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
You'll be like this all day, huh.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I mean you you've really been taking it on Twitter
last few days.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
And how do you feel about all that?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I mean the fact that that you're the only one,
the only media member and again I use that term
very loosely, because the way you're us right now, it
looks like you're ready to go to the gym, but
the only media member out here that that disagrees on
how Bonix looks well in in debate.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
That would be what's called an informal logical fallacy of
argument of mad popular before you appeal to the audience
rather than the that is actually happening. All right, Archer
read a book. You know, you know, other media members
can have there. And I use that term loosely because
you all look like you're about to go to a
Bruce Springsteen concert. But I think, don't you care merse
the boss? But I think I think different perspective beauties
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in the id beholder right, And I think a lot
of you guys grew up Broncos fans. I think you're
you're a lot more. You know, you want Bonix to
be the guy right now, And it's not that I don't.
It's just that i'm you know, I'm ambivalent, and I
look at this and I'm like, when he takes the job,
then he takes the job. And I'm sure that he will.
He'll be at the starter at some point this year,
whether that's Week one, we gave whatever, he will be
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the starter of this year at some point. The question
is when he gets there. And I'm not an advocate
of putting a quarterback out there just to put him
out there. You know, once he's got everything down, then
you put him out there once he's fully prepared, because
you don't want a situation where you put him out
there two or three games. You're like Okay, I see
this is too fast for him. We need to put
we need to rain this back. You don't want to
do that and pull him off, and then you're taking
away confidence that the position is so confidence dependent that
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you know, I tend to want to bring them along
a little bit slower, and I'm looking at him nitpicking
things that maybe other people don't need to take.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
But I feel like we've seen, if nothing else, his
confidence grow over the last week.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
We've seen a base core competency and his confidence build
day by day. I don't think he's at the point
where I would declare him the starter yet, but it's
the trajectory is clearly there. It's just a question when
he gets there. And I'm not going to jump the
gun to be the first person who annoy him the
starter or whatever. I may be the last guy too
annoy him the starter. Who knows? But I see things
to like there was that square end yesterday during teams.
(08:48):
That was to Sutton when he was on Pats or
Tawn's a great throw. I said as much to you
right there at the time, you know, but I noticed
that in two minute drill. The reason that I have
a complain about thinking and dunky, which I don't really
have a complain about, but is you create a situation
where your margins are thinner if you're using smaller chunks
to get down there, and you get down there, it'll
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field goal with six seconds left. There is a good
in that, and I'll get to that a second, but
the reality is you're creating smaller margins to get down there,
and if anything goes wrong then you might have screwed
yourself out of points right Whereas Jared Stidham took the
chunk play early, got down there and then he got
bogged down and then they had to settle for the
field goal. But your margins are wider that way. The
one thing I will say about doing that and eating
up the entire clock by doing that, is that exactly
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that you eat up the clock by doing that, and
now all of a sudden you don't give your opponent
a chance to get another possession out of.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
It fair just and again not intentionally for argument's sake,
but I will say one that's the first time we've
seen so far in training camp they've run that drill.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
It's also the first time either one of those guys
has been in that boat because Steadham is usually the
conservative dank and dunk guy and bow is usually a
bit more aggressive. No, and his aggressive throw was out
of bounds the sudden play at the pylon or whatever.
So it's not that you didn't take a chance, but
it was just kind of interesting to see sort of
an opposite dynamic each one. Well, he took.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
He took what the defense was giving him, right, which
actually in a lot of ways that you kind of
appreciate that he didn't.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
He didn't seem desperate in the two minute drills.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
I'm not knocking the fact that he did that. I'm
just saying, like, if you're juxtaposing the two, here's my
complaint on that in the two Yeah, I understand where
you're coming from. I really do.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
And I don't want to spend I don't want to
get into the weeds on semantics conversations. I'm just trying
to point out this is the first time we they've
actually run that drill so far in training camp, and
both quarterbacks did drive the team into field goal range.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
You're right, there was. The result was great for both.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, there was more time left on the clock with
Jared Stidham's drive, but we don't know what's going to
happen with the rest of that. Maybe they ended up
fumbling it inside the five, which by the wrong way.
The pro coost have had some times they don't.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Just not here anymore. Ride, he can't hurt you anymore.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I still feel it in my bones though.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Nolan can't hurt you anymore. But but do you understand
me where on the field he fumbled the ball?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
But then say, let's just say let's miss the field
goal in in that drive and then all of a
sudden there's a minute left for the other team to
drive back down to your point the thing that you
just pointed out. So again, I don't think bon Nicks
went into the drive or Sean Payton win the drive
thinking let's milk this clock. I think you try to
find as we've been watching football or whole lives, you
try to find a balance with that and you're thinking, hey,
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we want to be the ones in this half with
the ball. And it was a halftime drill, right, It
wasn't end of game. They were down by six, but
it was a halftime drill where you just try to
get points and you're trying to run clock because you
don't want you to give the ball back to your opponent.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Right, And I don't want to say because I don't
think the process was designed for one to be aggressive
and one to be I think it just happened that way, yes,
But I found that fascinating given the sort of reputation
of each of the two. Where Stidham has been sort
of you know, Teddy bridgewatersh and just sort of taking
what the team gave him, then he actually he made
a play in there in that so I was excited
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to see that. You know, in the end, I know
people aren't excited to hear me talking and pumping up
Jared Stidham, but when a guy does good, it's important
to note that he does good, whether that be bon Nicks,
whether that be Jared Sipp, whether it be Zach Wilson.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Well, let me point something out just on that conversation,
at least from my perspective, This doesn't have to be yours,
doesn't have to be anybody else's. But you know, you
made a point earlier saying that some of us grew
up Broncos fans that are now covering the team as media,
and there's a framing there.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
You did there I'm not saying there's bias. I'm just
saying you guys are more excited about the young guy,
whereas I don't really care.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I think that we're excited about the story. Like you
don't have to say i'd be a Broncos fan. And
I mean I am like unapologetically, and I mean because
I'm broadcasting on the station of the team, I feel
like it's appropriate for me to do that. I'm I'm
going to acknowledge there are times when I am a
little bit more of subjective my opinion than objective. But
in this case, the way I'm viewing it is more
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I'm excited about the story. And then the other thing
is is I look at trajectory. You just talked about trajectory.
This is where I'm coming from. Doesn't have to be
your opinion. I see bon Nicks on an upward trajectory
at least from his confidence, from his understanding of the offense,
from the way that he is operating at the line
in the pocket. Those are things I feel like he's
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stepping forward in right now. Jared Stidham has relatively been.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Consistent the whole way through. He's just been steady. It's
the whole way through.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
So I'm just saying, if we just look at it
plainly rather than a this guy is clearly winning the job.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
This guy isn't.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I don't. I don't even look at it in terms
of that.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I'm saying, I like the trajectory bow is on right now,
which is an upward one, and Stidham has just remained
consistent all the way through. That doesn't make it a negative,
but sometimes I think those things can be viewed as
a negative.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I would say that's very fair, all the bit bantered
snark aside, Like we both want the Broncos to be successful, right,
and I'm saying that I would agree with that. I
would say that Jared Stidham has started up here and
been steady the way across, and I would say Boennicks is,
you know, But I would say those lines have not
inter sected yet. I would say Jared Sidham is still
above bow Nicks if we were starting the season today, right.
And so that's that's really where we're coming. We're two
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sides of the same coin. We're saying the same thing,
We're just saying it in different ways. We both believe
Bonnicks will eventually be the starter. I think you're just
a bit more bullish. That'll be a little sooner than
perhaps I do.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Okay, and and and it's fine. You're from the show
me state and you want to see a little bit more.
And I at this point, I'm in the mindset of
what gives the Broncos the best chance to dig out
of this seven plus year run of mediocrity, if not
below right of being a team that is has missed
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the postseason. Jared Stidham doesn't do that for me, does
I don't think he does that for almost any NFL
team at a sixty two Madden rating.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
But meanwhile, Bone Nicks still he's the mystery box.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
He still has a lot in front of him, and
we don't really know what he's ultimately gonna be.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, for a minute there, I think you said the
Shoneese State, and I was like, oh, breakfast, But he
said the show me State.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
You're not that clever. No, don't, don't, don't try that hard.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
I was a little hungry. You've already eat goodly. You hate,
like mc groy boy, mostly in this section.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
You hate the calories of like all of us in
the tent.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I have a hypermetabolism. Is that what it is?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Where I have to imagine believe with that. I just
believe it that.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Oh my god, you said it with the sincerity of
your face.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
And then and then you cracked it cracked.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I thought I had the dead pen going, but I cracked.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
All Right, couple of text coming.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Get you're on the KA Common Spirit Health text line. Uh,
here's another point. If yours didn't win the competition, it
is a loss for the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
The best disagree.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Well, let me just finish this real quick. The best
win for the Broncos is the multi year success for Bonix.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I agree, But this year is about building a foundation.
So jared'st did him winning the competition isn't really him
winning the competition, It's just the benchmark. Thatt Bow wasn't
ready by that game. I agree. We we agree on
that as long as Bau is ready by whatever point
in this season, which is a build year.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, and it's okay. If bo isn't ready this year,
then that's a loss that is lost. No, we're we're
on the same page about that.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
All right.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Let's head out to the KA Common Spirit Health hotline
and bring on Brandon Christall live from Canton, Ohio. Again,
they're gonna a little bit of a weather delay. We'll
get the update from BK Quarterback Opinion and oh yeah,
I'm sure it's it's better than mine. We have several
texts still coming in. We'll get to more of your
questions on the text line five six six nine zero
b K.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Thanks for joining us, man, How are you good?
Speaker 4 (16:05):
A couple of things, because I heard y'all talking Madden ratings,
and obviously we know the Madden ratings adjuster ninety five
on Patzer ten is too low, and I'm sure y'all
have reached out. I texted him and.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
He's like, yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
There'd be a lot of dialogue. No, And I sent
him a clip from that Netflix Receiver show where Devonte
Adam justin Jefferson, those guys are all calling ps to
the number one corner in the league. It feels like
ninety eight is about as low as his ratings should
be right now, but ninety five is too low. So
and yeah, I think you do have a pretty good metabolism.
And I used to have one, but I started having kids, so.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I used to have one and I turned forty, so
it's you know, the mid section is vot. I used
to have a six pag.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Now I got the whole keg by kay, what what's
the latest with the weather or delay?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
So I'm actually in a room when I sent you
all a picture, not really supposed to post anything from here,
so it's just for private consumption, I'll tell you. With
most of the Hall of Famers, the new class is
actually another room with their family and their presenters. In
this case for Randy Grata Shark, Tom Jackson, and I
posted a video on our KOA account. Got to hang
out with those guys at the parade today and walk
the whole parade route with him and then talk to
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TJ for a while after. And so they're in another room.
But I mean, we had end of day's kind of
rain here for about an hour. It's calmed down. There's
some more coming a little later. What I was told
is that they're gonna get going here in just a
little bit. They're not going to introduce all the Hall
of Famers. Those guys are just gonna appear on stage
after a commercial break on the TV broadcast, and they're
gonna jump into the speeches. And so as we're closing
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in on twelve thirty here Eastern time, ten thirty back there.
They obviously want to get it going. We know Randy's
gonna be third, you know, thought his speech would be here.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
In just a little bit.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Obviously it'll still be third, so they haven't given an
exact time. But Peyton Manning did make it in after
returning from Paris, so Peyton's here. Haven't seen number seven yet,
but won't be surprised if he shows up at some
point or later. And there's over one hundred Hall of
Famers that have come back for this shrinement this year
for you know, really, I can't say whatever reason they have,
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their reasons or a reason to come back, or we're
excited for the class, but it's the most they've ever
had back any for any enshrinement. Is over one hundred
Hall of famers, and most of them last night were
the Gould Jacket dinner, which is really cool.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
B Kay.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
We were talking to him just a moment about the quarterbacks,
and I'd love to know, because you've been out here
every day except for yesterday when you were traveling, what
have you noticed about bo Knicks? Do you agree that
he's ascending as far as his understanding competency with the offense.
Where do you view the quarterback battle right now?
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Yeah, I think you know, for all of Ben's criticisms
about you or me Ryan are about you specifically, Like
I agree with you about where the quarterbacks are. You
and I talked about this the other day. I think
Ben's going to be on the wrong side of history
on this one, not just by whose name starter for
the opener against Seattle, but you're starting to see a
kid who he's not short on confidence. But and bo
Nicks has likely been a starter's entire license he started
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playing football, including when he got to Auburn obviously when
he got to Oregon. He's one quarterback battles, but kind
of all he knows. I think it's just about comfort
level with his teammates, comfort level in the offense. And
you knew he was going to pick the you know,
the basics of the offense up. It's just about going
out and then really trying to execute what Sean Payton
wants executed. In every day that he does, He's going
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to be more and more comfortable, and so I think
he's going to to say win the job right the
way Dave Dave puts it the best is, you know,
Nix's gonna have to show he can't he's not going
to lose the job or he can't do the job,
and he hasn't shown that yet. Yeah, he shows an
interception in seven on seven or inner teams here. That happens, right,
everybody throws an interception. Tom Brady threw interceptions in the practice.
Peyton Manning, did you want your quarterbacks to throw interceptions?
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And in a you know, in the modern era and
in competitions, these guys are so nervous that they don't
want to do anything wrong because we're grading every single
throw in every period, and so I think that that
that's in the back of our minds, you know, as
actually have We're having this conversation before the parade Jerry
Koupe actually because of Andre Johnson and Randy as well,
and k just saying that, you know, so many quarterbacks
(20:02):
are scared to make a mistake, and so I just
think you're seeing Bow getting more comfortable. We still don't
know what the ceiling is. If the ceiling is Derek Carr,
that's uninspiring, I think to some degree. But that's still
a guy that's a starter for a lot of years.
If the ceiling is Drew Brees, then we'll see bow
Nicks in the same room as Steve Atwater's two feet
from me.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
You guys want to have.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
To see always.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Sure, say hi to Ryan and Ben. They're alive on
the air.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
What what up?
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Ryan and Ben?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
How are you?
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Man?
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Oh man, we're doing well, doing well. Man. We're here,
all the gold jackets in here, just relaxing, waiting on
the weather to clear up.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
That's that's really good to hear, Steve. How's Canton treating you?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Canton has treated me well.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I was.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
He's having a great time catched up with the guys.
And of course, uh you know seeing Randy, uh the
happiness on his face getting his gold jacket yesterday, that
was awesome and uh yeah, he's having a great time.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I was gonna put that out the the Broncos social
has a picture you with Randy there and in his
face is just lit up like it's Christmas.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, man, this he's waited a long
time for this, and you know, I know he'll finally
relax tomorrow after he finished I'm sorry today, after he
finishes his speech.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Well, yeah, how special? How special was that last night?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I mean, or was that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
It was last Was it the last night when you
guys did the jacket ceremony?
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Yeah, it was. It was extremely special. And you know,
especially like walking down the gauntlet and it's kind of
your uh, it feels like your initiation. You know, you're
in man, and you know everybody's welcoming you're in, patting
you on the bag, saying congratulations, and you know, just
you know, reminiscing over all the plays that that he's made,
and uh, it's just it's a great time. It's a
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great time.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Yesterday.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Very cool. We'll let you go with this, Steve.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
See if you can get Randy or Tom to get
a dead tone or seventy five reference in during the
speech that I think that would be very good for.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Yeah, I think he's gonna come out listen to passwork blue.
But you know.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
You're the best.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Do you appreciate you?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Bro? Alright?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Bro? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
All right?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Later, Steve Atwater made a movie. You don't know if
everybody knows that Steve Outwater.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Made a movie. Wasn't Kyle Turley in that movie? To
Kyle Turley was the villain in the movie.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
You know a little. In fact, b K, do we
still have you?
Speaker 4 (22:22):
I mean the patchwork blue line. I'm going to even
drab my phone the mic drout moments he's actually talking
to Peyton right now, because I just happened to post
up in the corner by the by where the snacks are,
and then Steve walked over. But yeah, it's kind of
the finished quarterback thing bo Nicks. I don't know if
he's running when he work of the year, but if
he starts weak one, I certainly like betting the over
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on twenty eight fifty on the yardage yes' one hundred
and sixty seven yards a game. I think you're gonna
need a lot from him because I think Shawn's gonna
hold his hand and we're going to see them run
the ball and run the ball and run the ball
and then take shots. But he is going to need
to take those shots, right. The criticism about the swinging
the ball out in the work and offense, well, if
that's what makes sense, but you get it to your
playmakers in space that works too. So I'm not ready
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to give bo Nicks one of these gold jackets, or
in this case, they're all wearing gold Polos today. But
it sure would be fun to have a third Hall
of Fame quarterback that wears orange and blue, whether it's
throwback or otherwise. And so I think he's gonna win
the job because it's the competition set up for him
to win it, right, There's I just don't see there's
gonna be enough opportunity in games. That's the one thing
Coop said to me too, was you can't you can't
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create a true competition because then you're gonna endup having
to play your all your starters to make it fair
in a game. And you're not gonna play starters three
quarters in three straight preseason games just to get a
better look at the quarterback. So I think it's gonna
ultimately below Nickson. And kind of to your point, Ryan
right before you brought me on, you know, if your
best case scenario is him being the starter for a
couple of years, then you you know, and then we
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can go beyond that. I think it's a good thing
and starting Jared, I understand that might give you a
better chance against the Seahawks, but I don't know if
it's gonna give you. There's not a big enough gap
for me to say, oh, Jared starting now, they're gonna win.
We saw Jared start those two games at the end
of the year last year. I realized they weren't playing
for anything. But there's just nothing inspiring about it. I
think Jared will be a solid backup. He's kind of
Chase Daniel two point zero and the hope is that
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but Nick can be Drew Brees two point oh. And
if he's not, then we're probably back here talking about
a quarterback in the next couple of years.
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Speaker 1 (26:23):
All right, Rick, what are you noticing now here?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Men?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
You were out here yesterday and now you've been out
here again today.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
What have you noticed so far?
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Some general takeaways from practice?
Speaker 6 (26:31):
You know what's really cool to get this close to
the action. And I highly recommend all Broncos fans listening
if you get a chance to come to training camp.
This is a rare opportunity to get this close to
National Football League players. And we are about ten yards
away from the wide receivers and running backs and quarterbacks
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right now. And one thing you notice right away is
just the incredible athletic bodies these guys have. Man Like
Courtland Sutton is up, free, big, fast, strong, and you
do notice that right away. You know, for regular people
to see these types of athletes this close is pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I was worried they were gonna be intimidated by Ryan
Edward's new physique being this close to him, But they
don't appear to be thus far. What's the new physique
trimmed up? Okay, my man's lost some weight over here
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yeah, if I turned sideways, they don't even see me.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Familiar with that problem, you know what.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
The other thing the last couple of days, you know,
and I talked to you guys about this going into
probably about the last three four days. I was leaning
towards Jarrett Stidham probably being starter week one, maybe Zach Wilson,
just because of the gauntlet that they have to run
those first four games. But it's starting to look like
(27:49):
it's gonna be Bo Nicks number ten. He just he's
picking this up. I think really fast. This guy's not
your typical rookie quarterback with all the experience he had
a college. I mean, this guy is already looking off
safeties and changing the protection at the line of scrimmage.
You do not see that from too many rookie quarterbacks.
In fact, I can't recall that since my run here
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covering the Broncos since paid Manning, you just don't see
that in camp.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Preach, preach, Ben, Did you hear all that from the
color analysts of the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I mean, I don't know if that sways you.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Because Ben, what's Ben?
Speaker 6 (28:24):
What are you saying? Ben? Well?
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Ben?
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Ben is not impressed.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
He's said multiple times how unimpressed he's been with bon Nick.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
So is that the word I is?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
You said wasn't great?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I said it wasn't great the one day here. He
wasn't great That one day through through an interception and
two balls that hit defenders in the hands, that's that
great day.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I think he's measuring him to Peyton Manning.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
He's saying, well, if I don't see the actual reincarnated
Drew Brees Peyton Manning out here, then it's just not
that great.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
What's what's even the point? I don't Yeah, I mean
I've said the same thing. I think it's Bonex's job. Eventually.
The question is when does he win it here in
training camp? Does he win it by week eight whatever?
And I think you don't put him out there before
he's ready. That's that's just my take on that. You
don't want a situation where you put him out there
and you know, we we've talked about comparison to Derek Carr,
but you don't want to David car him where you
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put it like the Houston Texas just made him the
guy that put him out there and he wasn't ready
and we've seen that, We've seen quarterbacks implode from not
being ready. In fact, there's a great example that already
in the roster and Zach Wilson putting a guy out
there that's and you see they course sort of become
a shell of themselves. So you know, that's my one concern.
If this is the guy for the future, let's make
sure he's ready. If he's ready, more power to it.
And then starting week one, I just my concern is
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you got a rookie quarterback on the road in the
loudest stadium in the NFL in Seattle, Like, is that
really the direction that you know you want to go
if you're not one hundred percent confident.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
I don't disagree with that. In fact, I'm okay if
they start still.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Money beyond and then you know, you come here to Denver,
you get Russ coming back. Now we're bringing out our
replacement for Russ and bo what what you know what
a storyline?
Speaker 6 (29:51):
No, I'm okay with that because I want the quarterback
that has the best chance of winning football games to play,
and we heard Sean Payton say that that will be
the case. Now that being said, I think Boone Knicks
has made faster progress than most rookie quarterbacks. I agree
with that, and more than I expected. And I think
by the time we get to probably the third preseason game,
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we're gonna know that he's the guy. And it's starting
to feel like he's the guy to me, and that's
been a change for me. But if they start Stidham
or or or Wilson, I'm I'm totally fine with that
because I want to win football games.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Well, if they start Wilson, I think he would have
had to have had some significant leaps that he has
not had thus far. But but I'm with you in
sentiment like, that's that's the thing.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
What about Wilson being QB two.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I haven't seen anything out here that indicates that he's
ready to be a starter for this.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
You'd rather have stood him. I want you want them
to keep three.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Quarterbacks, then I would rather have the guy that uh
uh and it looked like a big defense made a
play there.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Well, it looks like the special teams are they okay?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah? Oh they get the right caps on? Yep, you
see it? Okay, I just saw the the orange jersey.
What defensive play just got made? R and see a
quarterback out there? Yeah? Yeah, I mean, I just I
want a situation where the best guy to win football
games because covering this team, covering a winning football team
is so much more fun, as we saw during the
winning streak last year, you know, covering this this team
(31:15):
and to win so much, so much more fun. This
is a set the table year for the never Broncos, right.
I don't think anybody outside of perhaps Ryan and maybe
Mile High Profit in Steve Atwater thinks that the Broncos
are going undefeated and winning a Super Bowl. But I
think that if you you know, what we're doing here
is setting the table for a three to four year
run with bon Nicks on his rookie deal in a
fifth year option after that, to try to do that
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in the coming years. That's what we're trying to do here.
And so this year is about setting the table for
that maybe not quite eating the meal. And I feel
like that you want to make sure that everything's prepared.
You don't pull a turkey out of the oven wh
it's three quarters done, just because you're hungry.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
But two Rick's.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Point, and I think this is an important one, is
we get sort of a piece of the puzzle out here.
So what they think about Zach Wilson may be a
little bit different than what we think about Isak Wilson.
We're watching practices out here. He seemingly is abuild pretty
far behind. No, I understand that, But understanding we all
know that the raw talent is there. We know Sean
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Payton has spoken multiple times about players that he doesn't
want to let outside of the building because he knows
he can't get them back. And Zach Wilson might end
up being one of those kuys of guys. I'm not
saying he will be. I know that you tend to
think that most stuff that is overblown as far as players,
you have to release it the fifty three cut down
and can't get back. Fine, But quarterbacks are a little
bit different. And this guy was selected second overall just
a few years ago. So whether they keep three quarterbacks
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on the roster or they keep two. I don't think
it's over for Zach. And the reason I say that
very quickly. The reason I say that is because they
keep giving him opportunities with the two is they don't
just they haven't just buried him in the third with
the third team and it's over.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I think they'll keep him, And I think it speaks
to what Sean Payton is trying to do. You know,
he's very legacy cognizant, you know, and he understands he's
not making the all famous he wins the super Bowl
here with the Denver Broncos. He's got too much you know,
he's got too much red in the Ledger on the
other side, and only won Super Bowl when you got
guys like Aflin, Shanahan Seffert that haven't made the super
Bowl and had made the Hall of Fame with multiple
Super Bowls. So he's gonna have to do something no
other the coach has ever done. When a Super Bowl
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with two different teams that said, you know what, if
you turn Zack Wilson around, you keep him here and
you turn that guy around, Well, now all of a sudden,
you've got that Andy Reid kind of I'm a quarterback developer,
legacy thing going on as well, to add to the
pile to make that Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Yeah, Zach Wilson obviously a rebuild the project, but he's
a rebuild project with a really big upside, let's face it,
a bigger upside than Jared Stidham has. That's why maybe
if you're going to keep two quarterbacks, you do keep
Zach Wilson. And I believe I don't know how much
money they could save.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
They're almost stuff almost four million.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
So four million bucks if you let Stidham go.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
I love the upside of Zach Wilson, and as Benja said,
it would be a great story for both of them,
for Wilson and Sean Payton. So I have a feeling
I don't know if they'll keep three. And you're not
gonna be able to sneak one of any one of
those guys under the practice squad.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
So no, I think they keep all three. Though I do,
I just haven't really kindly they keep all three.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Interesting, I mean we don't see that.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I mean I know that you have the opportunity to
call a guy up as an emergency quarterback now with
the new rule in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
But that but that's not what this is talking about.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
This is talking about giving the guys an actual three
quarterbacks on the fifty three minute roster. As we've begun
our scrimmage out here. It's good to see Ghara Bowles
back out there, by the way, because he wasn't available
for the two minute yesterday. But yeah, this is gonna
be sort of fascinating today. It's gonna be I think
a little bit of a fun day, I think, an
opportunity to see the team's sort of scrimmage. Now, Rick,
(34:36):
we're talking about it just the beginning, see Ross talking
about just at the beginning that we kind of miss
the scrimmages ut mile High, right. They've been doing They
did that for years and it hasn't been since the
last two years. Sean has said, now we're just gonna
go ahead and keep doing it out here instead of
going to the stadium.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Do you agree?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Do you miss that?
Speaker 6 (34:56):
Yeah? And it's a good thing for the fans to
be I think because more fans can go ye and
watch at empower Field. And they say that attendance is
up this year like forty talk to Demanti Leach last year.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
That's cool.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
Actually yesterday he said from year to year, it's up
forty percent. Now when you look over there today, oh,
it's uh, there's quite a quite a few spaces there
on the hill.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
When you say it sort of fades you go right
to the left.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
I'm kind of surprised because it's a Saturday, but it
has been really really hot and maybe people just kind
of had it with the heat.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
I mean, I'm a half full bends a half empty sod.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
That's that is half full.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Some natural there's always you know, hope springs kind of thing, right,
I mean, that's that's where we're at with the Broncos.
There's a belief, a hope that through Sean Payton, this
is going to be a competitive football team, and I
do believe they will be certainly the four and a
half five and a half number that's out there. None
of us really believe that they're going to be that
kind of team. But there's excitement about the rookie and
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to the point that Ben has been making several times
about why he thinks Jared's Sidham is probably still in
the lead.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
By the way of starting with the ones, today you.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Notice no, well doubt this is his turn. That's not
that it's his it's his turn.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
You see.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
This is what scrivage you and your engagement farming nonsense.
You do this like you're like, hey, here's running with
the ones. He's running with the ones because bo Nicks
ran with the ones yesterday. The scottage screaming, you're exhausting anyways,
point being, you can hear it rick from the crowd.
Every time bo Nicks does something. There is an energy,
there's there's enthusiasm. They're out here to see bow. They're
(36:38):
out here to see the rookie do something. And that's
no direct defense to Jared's didim It just was what
it is.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
Yeah, anytime you draft to a quarterback high in the
first round, it's going to generate a lot of fan excitement,
which has happened here with a bow Nicks. It raises
the optimism level up, even after they've had what seven
straight losing seasons. Uh, this is a really loyal fan base,
you know, and they're ready to start winning football games.
(37:02):
They were ready last year. They had a pretty good
year last year. They won eight games. They were competitive
all the way down the stretch and I think on paper,
this is a better football team. Now that's on paper. Yeah,
you know, a lot of things have to happen once
we start playing football games. But I think they have
a chance to maybe even win more than eight games
this year, depending on quarterback play, which is the big
(37:24):
question mark. I don't get the five and a half. Yeah,
I'm over under in Vegas at all.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
That seems like a mortal lock for the over Just
watching a play here a minute ago is sort of
an end around there. Marvin Mims just fell down. He
slipped back there, not getting getting much trash. I think
it was looked nice pass, absolutely hit a guy. Gonna
be a giant play there for Tim Patrick. Now wait, no,
it's Josh Reynolds. I'm sorry, it's Josh Reynolds.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Started in breaking, maybe slant.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I couldn't tell fro him over here, but it was
an inbreaking route that he took over the middle and
took up field.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Josh Reyelds has been so good. He has been such
a drop drop issues.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
But but he'sa when he catches the ball's and he's
getting open.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Oh yeah, but I mean his drop is is that
most of them have been sort of in drills. He
has had a ton of drops that I remember during
the course of team practices, even seven and seven. I
feel like he's been rock solid. And you, as a
Detroit Lions fan, a lifelong Detroit Lions fan, what did
you think about that signing of Josh Reynolds in the
off season.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
I think it's a great addition to the wide receiver room.
I think the wide receiver room it's got a lot
of depth that definitely better than they were last year,
even losing Jerry Judy, especially if Tim Patrick stays healthy
Tim Patrick, and that's a big if because it's been
two seasons in a row. They just missed the entire year.
If Patrick is healthy and his plays as well as
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he did before his injuries, you have something there in
that wide receiver room. I love the fact that Corton
Sutton is back this year. Josh Reynolds solid NFL veteran player.
He provides that veteran experience in the locker room as well.
You can already see that here. Oh yeah, in trendy
camp from him. The young guys, Troy Franklin, Vley watching
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Veley out here too. Guy's twenty six years old.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
He looks mature. Uh and he you know, at first
you think it's Tim Patrick got there wearing his old number,
wearing his old number, and they look almost like the
exact same player. I'm interested to see him. What's preseason
game start up next week?
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Bow started out hitting his first pass on a simple outroute.
Then he scrambled and and did not connect on the
second place. So they got the second They got the
other unit out here now by the way.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
One thing that I will say that I'm a little
concerned about is the drop.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
All what a pass from Bow?
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Oh beautiful the Stills Stills went up and got I
mean again he I know Ben'll probably nitpick and say
that he could have hit him in stride, but either way,
I mean, he put it in a spot that Stills
went up and got it in probably a fifteen twenty
yard game.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
He identified the open man, put the ball little high,
but you know, identified the anyways.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Like I said, nitpick, couldn't help it.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
You can't help it.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
He's just trying to help the enthusiasm. Never throw high
over the village, That's all he's trying to do.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
There was nobody around him.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
You don't never throw eye over the middle anyways.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
So, but one thing that I had that I am
a little bit concerned about is our depth an offensive
line because with Quinn out now for the season, With
Quinn out for the season, you see the drop Bailey,
I should say, hey, yeah, Quinn Bailey, Right, you see
the drop off. I mean, I don't know Ben if
you noticed the same thing, but you've seen the drop
off with a second and third team offensive line and
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a guy like Frank Crumb that everybody was excited about
because they gave him a lot of money as an
undrafted free agent. He is so so developmental right now
on the third team.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
He was developed. He was drafted in the first round
of the USFL here recently. I would not be surprised
to see him playing spring league ball next year and
just an effort to get him some more repsult.
Speaker 6 (40:40):
You're right, they have to stay healthy like they did
last year. They were healthy last year.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (40:45):
And I love the fact that all those guys are
back this year other than Cush, which will benefit the
entire offensive line, same coaching staff. But you gotta stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
By the way, Marvin Mims just caught a pass from
Bo Nix and that you know again he's he had
a moment yesterday where he slammed his helmet.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
He frustrated.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, yeah, he said some frustrated moments. And I don't
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Getting two worked up about that.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
But we know that he had high expectations coming into
this year, not only from himself but also from the
coaching staff. They've said multiple times, hey, we moved Jerry
Judy out of here to put Marvin Mims in.
Speaker 6 (41:19):
Well, we had high expectations last year two and he
got off to that great start, and they just you know,
from week to week in the pregame, we would go, hey,
you know, when they get Marvin Mims a little more
involved in the in the offense, and they never did. Now,
they obviously know more than we know about how he
looks in practice and what his limitations are. But obviously
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last year they didn't feel comfortable. So there's something that
they must be working on with his game. But this
year seems like this could be a breakout year for
him if they trust him.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
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with his contract?
Speaker 3 (42:04):
It'd be an interesting Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Someone would claim him. Absolutely, There's no way you don't
in this league. You don't let competent quarterback play, even
if you don't think he's That was too far out
in front, about about three yards.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
If it's an overthrow, it's probably Zach Wilson.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Did they swap Zack out?
Speaker 6 (42:21):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Zackson there now?
Speaker 1 (42:23):
And that was the I believe it was the six Yeah, no,
there was six sixteen. Sorry, yeah, Troy Franklin, Yeah, Troy
couldn't quite get there, but two three yards out in
front of him.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah, but that that's, unfortunately for Zach Wilson, pretty consistent.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
But yes, I mean I think Rick back to Stidham.
Speaker 6 (42:39):
You know, at five million bucks a year for QB.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Too, Yeah, that's that's best chump change for a backup quarterback.
Speaker 6 (42:44):
That's great value right there.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah, you know, plus I think the mentorship. He's been
around the league long enough. You know, he's roughly the
same age as these guys, but he's been around the
league long enough that I think you can there's there's
value to having someone with that sort of having been
in that many training camps and done things the better way,
because if not, then your mentorship at your QB room
suddenly becomes Zach Wilson, who is the guy who has
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kind of struggled to get it, and Bo Nick's a rookie,
and I just don't think you have a QB room
that looks that way.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Another text, Ryan rick Lewis is entering season number eight
as the Broncos radio color analyst, and he has been phenomenal.
I agree, Well, thank you very much, Brian, thank you
tex Hey be nice to Ben. I don't know who's
not being nice to Ben. This is this is as
nice as we can us absolutely be to Ben.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
I would be uncomfortable if you suddenly started being nice
to me.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Weird, weird, like what do you want?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yeah, I'm not giving you any money. I'm I'm not
buying amway from you.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Ryan, your bickering act is not entertaining.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
I disagree. I think we're hilarious.
Speaker 6 (43:46):
Over the middle throw there to estimate, Yep, we just
ran into I don't know if it's a safety or
a linebacker, but he dropped a hammer on the guy.
I was standing next to him over here too, on
the sideline. That dude, I've made five eleven, two hundred
and thirty pounds, probably built load of the ground. He's
all muscle.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
You see him and you instantly think running back.
Speaker 6 (44:06):
He's only twenty years old. He's only gonna get thicker
and stronger. I couldn't believe he's twenty years old. Man,
this dude, I'm real excited about having him in the backfield.
He's a bigger version of Javante.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Doesn't have that third gear, but he man, he's powerful, low,
low to the ground. H Yeah, reminds you, like, what
was it the old quote that Jeff Fisher used to
say about Zach Stacey's a bowling ball with knives sticking
out of it.
Speaker 6 (44:29):
That's a good one. That's a good one. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Well, and you can sort of see what the future
of the running back room is likely going to look like.
I mean, this year, Javante is certainly on the team,
despite some reports that were out there that he was
on the bubble, He's definitely gonna be on the team.
Somaji might be more of the odd man out than anything.
I agree with Ben on that take, but you could
sort of see like, hey, by next year, dric estimate
might be your starting you know, first and second down
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running back. You got Julim McLoughlin as a guy that
has good hands out of the backfield, and then Lake Watson,
who they're very very high ion will be also in
the mix like that, And and those guys all might,
especially the sort of scatbacks might be mixed in.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
And the kick return too.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
So Zach Wilson at Thomas Yasman on the sideline there
and Yasmin put a nasty, stiff arm on whoever that
defend was nice.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Yeah, he's had it. He's gonna have a tough time
making this roster.
Speaker 6 (45:16):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
This is nice to It was nice to see, you know. Yeah,
a real football player Rugby. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (45:23):
Yeah, I think we the earth. I think we can
all agree. On the offensive side of the ball, they
they have more weapons on paper, they look like they
have playmakers. Now they have to come through obviously. That's
what they really missed last year and something we talked
about every week. Man, they just don't have playmakers. Well,
this looks like they all have the potential. Now they
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have to live up to it. Marvin Mims is one
of those guys obviously.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Got to go from potential energy to kinetic energy.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
But that's the point, right, I Mean, it looks like
they have more weapons, but it's all potential. And they've
been that for years, I mean so many years, even
when they brought in Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Right before that, we sat here and said, but they
feel like they're a.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Quarterback away with Jerry Judy, Tim Patrick and Courtland Sutton
as your top three receivers.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
And remember right before the trade for Russell Wilson the season.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Before they paid court they paid Tim because they knew
that they'd sort of solidified what the offense should look like.
Right they drafted Javonte It all looked like it was
coming together. You just needed a very good, if not
decent quarterback to sort of to direct all of it.
You brought in Russ and unfortunately didn't work out, especially
with Nathaniel Hackett, just ended up being a bad mix.
Now you're resetting with a rookie quarterback most likely. But
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to your point, Rick, we are still at least with
the skill positions, talking about potential, and you need some
of those potential players to become what they're supposed to be,
and until that happens, the projection for this team is
going to remain low.
Speaker 6 (46:45):
And a lot of that. Once again, it goes back
to injuries. You have to stay healthy Greg Dolsic, who
looks great out there. If he's healthy, that alone is
really going to upgrade the offensive side of the ball.
They have had any production from the title position. It
seems like forever and Dulsage can be that guy. And
if Davante's back to the old Javante. There's two things
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right there. If those guys can stay healthy, Tim Patrick
stays healthy, you've really upgraded the playmakers on offense. Just
that alone.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
Yeah, and that's that's gonna be a big part of it.
The big if there is if Dulcige can stay healthy.
It's never been about the talent, the athleticism or any
of that kind of stuff. And he's a he's a
big guy that's fast to you see him running like
a big guy should move that fast. The question is
whether or not he can stay healthy, and and that
is the question. Every time you see him catch a pass,
there's a there's an instant and then.
Speaker 6 (47:35):
Not just catch a pass, even on a route I'm right,
oh man, don't hurt your hamstring.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Right yeah, popstickle sticks and twine holding that thing together
at this point.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
So again, they just wrapped up their first series of
eleven and eleven a team and you saw a great,
great pass to them to Reynolds in there.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
I think that was the highlight pass.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
I mean, he had a couple other nice plays, but
that was that was the highlight pass on an inbreaking.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Got a good pass and was a little hob to
whatever and then you hit Zach Wilson yasman over here
on the side. I thought it was a pretty good play, yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
And so yeah, I think that there's there's certain things again,
I think the trajectory wise, we're seeing improvement. And you
know I brought this up Rick and the last couple
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Speaker 1 (48:24):
I brought this up earlier to.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Ben that it well, I think this is more like
a conversation a week ago, but we brought this up
that we saw about this time. Russell Wilson last year
really kind of go to another level with Sean Payton's offense,
and I think it just there's some absorption time. And
to the point, we found out last year that Sean
Payton was kind of throwing a lot at Russ early
on to see what he couldn't do. And I think
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maybe the first few days of camp out here, when
it looked like the offense was pretty clunky and the
quarterbacks were just in their own head and they were
thinking and they were struggling a bit, maybe it was
a similar situation. But I feel like we've turned a
corner a bit with all of them, but especially with
bone Nicks, who seems to be a lot more comfortable.
Speaker 6 (49:03):
Well, first of all, we don't know what they're asking
them really to do out there, yes, right, we just
we're just observers. So uh, they could be working on
something in particular, but.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
I practicing out of bound throws like.
Speaker 6 (49:15):
They did a couple of years ago, or incompletions practicing
famous pat Shermerlan, So I do think they are showing progress.
And part of that also you have to keep in mind,
same coaching staff. Half this roster played in the system
last year as well, so they're comfortable with the system
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and the coaching staff. It's getting the new guys up
the speed and it's starting to happen.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
As far as changes you're going to see, I think
we're gonna see a defensive philosophy shift. You know, we've
had the Fangio kind of defense for the last few years,
including with a Varo and then kind of a continuity
with Vance last year. I think you're going to see
something more to kind to what Wade Phillips ran. Of course,
Vance Joseph is a is a Wade Phillips protege, and
I think you're going to see a more aggressive attacking
defense with a more man coverage this year than maybe
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those those tight fronts with a zero tech to two
four eyes and the and the you know, everybody dropping
back in the quarters match. I don't think you're going
to see as much of that this year.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
A question coming in, does Frank Crumb seemed to be improving?
Haven't heard much about him.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
I say he's a practice squad guy, you know, keep him, yeah,
firmly in that camp.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
But we're not we're not talking about pushing.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
If Frank Crumb starts this year, the Broncos are probably
in trouble based on where he is, right, it seems
that harsh. I'm not trying to be, you know, a jerk,
but he's just not ready. Yeah, it's it's not there yet.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
And he's been firmly on the third team offensive line,
and I mean, I gotta be honest. You know, a
couple of days ago when when bo Nicks was actually
working with the threes and thought he had a pretty
good day, there was multiple times he had to evade
the rush because the rusher went right by Frank Crumb.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
Once again.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
You know, you're talking about the size of this human being,
which is so noticeable. Right, But you can be athletic,
you can be tall, you can be a lot of
those things, but the technique portion of it at this
level is so important.
Speaker 6 (51:01):
Who's going to be the starting center?
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Well, that's a question. I think Wattenberg. He's just got
in the most reps into it, most experienced.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah, well yeah, Mustard's gotten more more starting experience. I'm
gonna lean that direction. I don't I don't think there
are a hundred percent sold He's just gotten more work there.
So it's you're just sort of more watching what they're
doing rather than what they're saying first plays.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Yes, it could be on the roster for sure. I mean, uh,
you know because especially with Quinn Bailey gone, it saves
three positions. You know, he can play any one of
the three as a backup if he's not the starter.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
So Rick, it was really great scene.
Speaker 6 (51:35):
Man, hey man, thanks for having me. You guys are
great together.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
Appreciate that.
Speaker 6 (51:39):
I can't wait for kickoff. Let's do it. Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Yeah, we'll do it one week from tomorrow. The peaches
to my herb.
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Speaker 2 (52:21):
All right, our two coverage live for Broncos Park, power
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happen with Broncos and now Bowe Nix's chance to run
with the first team offense. And again we saw Jared
Sinham earlier. All three quarterbacks making some nice throws out here.
I'd say, again kind of on par consistently with what
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we've seen over the last week of practice.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
I'd say a week ago, at.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
This time, it looked still a little bit clunky, Ben,
But now as we're we're watching practice, I think the
offense is starting to find their footing a bit.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yeah, I started to catch it. And that's that's what
happens generally. I mean, your defense starts out ahead the offense.
As they install stuff, it gets better and better, and
then you know, the offense kind of laps the defense
a little bit. And then what you see after that
as you see the defense come back and kind of
pass the offense as they figure out what they're doing
towards the end of camp. So you know, you see
the ebbs and flows of that. I don't think, I
don't think you want to get too too into who's
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winning the day as far as that goes. But you
couldn't see start you can see, like you know, trajectory.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Arcs, no doubt about it, and so that that's kind
of been one of the early storylines, is watching the
offense and seeing how they're doing. Hit us up on
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Speaker 1 (53:40):
Steve Atwater out there.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
And we are still I believe in a weather delay,
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a bit of a weather delay out there in Canton
for the Hall of Fame speeches.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
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Speaker 2 (53:55):
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Speaker 3 (53:59):
Of Fame speech. We'd love to be able to bring
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Speaker 2 (54:02):
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Speaker 1 (54:55):
This drives been a bit of a struggle for bo.
They had a really good pass to Courtland Sutton. He
had two really bad misses, one of which should have
been picked off and a throwaway there on a scramble.
Uh this this defense getting the better of the offense
on this drive. There's a plag down on this window,
so there may have been defensive holding.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
I mean it's probably the case, but you know again,
you know you you need to get out there and
tell them that that's ridiculous because the wrong first team
quarterback is in there.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
Well, I mean, you know, we want to see bo
out there succeed and we want to see him doing good.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
It's just they are they are doing a little more
move the ball. The first the first scrimmage portion was
was not quite like that.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
That was a good throw from bow to grig Dulca
s right there.
Speaker 6 (55:35):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
No, that's uh, Lucas c I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
Yeah, only those elite moves, Yeah, can only be of fame.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
Cut there. Oh man, that's good. Oh man.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
But yeah, that they they're doing a little bit more
move the ball. They kind of they move down there
into the red zone with that pass to Lucas Croll.
Now they're sort of backing it out a little bit.
So still some situational stuff. I gotta be honest again,
my favorite drills always continue to be move the ball
two minute drills. I don't know about you, if that
matters to you.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
It all been. I know that, it's all.
Speaker 2 (56:06):
It's all interesting, But for me, like the closer you
get to actual football moments, the better.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
Yeah, stid him in there now at first pass is
a completion of the back. I shocker. I look, I
just want more of game type situations because I don't
think there's there's much to take out of non game
type situations. If you look at at sevens and one's
if the quarterbacks thrown behind the guy or just just inaccurate,
then okay, there's that to mention, But beyond that, I
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don't I don't take a lot out of that.
Speaker 2 (56:36):
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Speaker 1 (56:42):
Great job.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
Sorry if I missed, But how is Riley Moss doing?
Speaker 1 (56:45):
He's been out there for a little bit. I it's
tough to see sort of what he's doing out there
because there's there was sort of a wall in front
of us with players for that side of the ball,
so it's a little tough to see. But he's look
at Okay, he's in the mix for for the starting
job opposite.
Speaker 3 (57:01):
Hand Yep, No, he's gonna be in rotation.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
I have chance to chat with Tomorry Mathis earlier this
week and and sort of talked to him about the competition,
and I think to the point that you've made multiple times,
there's gonna be some version of a rotation. Maybe there's
gonna be a game or two that Levi Wallace starts.
Who's a game of two that Riley Moss. Maybe the
game or two that Tomorrow Mathis starts. And again, I
think there's some value to that because you keep these
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guys fresh, and plus if you can allows you to
play the hot hand a bit.
Speaker 3 (57:30):
If a guy's really dealing right, you know he's out.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
There past breakups looking very confident, Well, guess what, you
just ride with him. But then you also know, because
of the cornerback position, there's gonna be some times when
I'm gonna give up a big play. And we saw
with Damari Mathis where it can start to spiral on you. Well,
then you know you're not locked into anything. You've given
yourself some options and the Broncos had done a good
job at that.
Speaker 1 (57:51):
I think you have a guy's a different skill sets
is valuable too. I mean, Wallace has such great ball skills,
he just does. And so using him as of a
red zone corner where long speed isn't a factor or
issue and you're able to sort of, you know, play
to his strengths without having to expose him to as
a liability I think, you know, I think is inherently valuable.
And then you've got guys like Moss and Mathis, you
get more reps and you're hoping those guys develop into
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you know, inequality talent.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
Another question here on the Kiowa Common Spirit helped text
line five six six nine zeros. We were live from
Broncos Park powered by Common Spirit, Ryan Numbers, Benjamin Albright,
can you talk a little bit about the additions to
the defensive line on how they can change the play
ie be more aggressive and how that impacts the rest
of the defense.
Speaker 1 (58:32):
Well, you sort of hit guys last year that did
weren't They were sort of just guys. I mean, with
all due repect to Matt Hennerson's a very smart individual,
He's kind of just a guy on a roster. Right,
You've got guys now that did command attention to command blocks,
Blacks and Rochelse guys are stronger than Henningson. They just are.
John Franklin Myers is is on a whole other level.
That might be the best edition of Broncos made this offseason.
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And so what you got are very talented, very strong,
very athletic guys that in addition to be able to
be gap penetrate tie up blockers and allow your linebackers
to shoot, which is what Vance Joseph likes to do.
And and so you're going to have the ability to
do things that you couldn't do last year. They also
the gap sound guys, they play they play gap sound,
so we're not giving up huge gaps like in that
Miami game where you saw them going off because you know,
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the run gaps weren't filled. So, you know, I just
think you have just better It's just just a question
of having more talent, better players there than you did previously.
Speaker 3 (59:24):
I think you did.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
Dropped stid them through a perfect ball there right there
to the end zone and was Troy Franklin and he
dropped it.
Speaker 3 (59:35):
It was it was a perfect ball.
Speaker 1 (59:38):
Put the ball on the side the body between the
receiver and the defender that was there. And you know
you don't see still and being aggressive as much you
love to see it what he's aggressive and puts the
ball where it's supposed to be. Troy Franklin just he
had hands on it and dropped it.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
He's had a sort of a tough camp, let's be honest.
Speaker 1 (59:52):
You know, Yeah, he's been coached up quite a bit
throughout this camp. I would not be surprised to see
if he's a guy it's a it's a long time
game inactive this season.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Yeah, and that's unfortunate because I I mean, I've been
talking about quite a bit on KIO Sports. It. Certainly
in college you know that the talent is there. But
this is one of the reasons why we've said for
years that rookie wide receivers does usually take a year
or two to get completely acclimated there once in a while,
especially if you're one of the superstars, right if you're
Elik Neighbors. A lot of expectations are high, Marvin Harrison junior,
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expectations are high, and we see guys like Jamar Chase
coming in the league and they're great right away. I mean,
we see plenty of examples. Justin Jefferson's another one. Even
Seedee Lamb was good. He wasn't what he was now,
but he was good. There are guys that go against
that trend. But on the other side of it, most
of the time it takes a couple of years. Doesn't
have been Yeah, I does.
Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
I mean, typically wide receivers take take two years and
a little change to to kind of hit their zenith
and go. There are some guys who started year one
and we've seen it, you know, that kind of thing,
but there are you know, in order to reach their
their kind of peak and hit that plateau. There's a
lot that goes into play in the receiver position. It's
a difficult position to learn at the pro level. And
you can't just get by on athleticism, which you know
guys can do in college. And and so that that's
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one of those things. A lot of times it takes
guys who are great athletes and stuff like that to uh,
you know, to to become a well rounded receiver.
Speaker 6 (01:01:15):
It does.
Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
It can take us full season, two seasons sometimes and.
Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
So that doesn't necessarily tell you, or tell me, or
or should tell anybody that the guy isn't going to
end up being a good player.
Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
And at this point where the wide.
Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Receiver room is, I don't think they had high expectations
based on the move they made this offseason, that that
Troy Franklin would be a big time contributor, do you I.
Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Mean, I didn't think he would be a big time
contributor this year anyway, But but you know there's a
plan there. He is a security blanket for bow Nixon,
that there's a familiarity there, and you kind of hope
that that develops into something down the line. I don't
think taking him there in the was a fourth round.
I don't believe that that's a mistake. I just don't
think he's a guy that's going to be a big
factor this year.
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Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
I'm not sure what happened there. Look at the defense
is celebrating a little one of Zach Wilson play as
I looked away for a moment. So that's on me.
I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Zach is pretty far behind where the other two quarterbacks are,
and I'm not saying we take a miracle for him
to get back into this competition.
Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
I think it's takes a significant leap.
Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
He would take a pretty significant leap. And that's that's okay.
Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
That's as an understanding that he was going to be
behind because he was going to be coming in here
learning a new system, which is like his fifth, fourth
or fifth system in the NFL so far. That's that's
a tough ask and he needed some QB rehab.
Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
I agree that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
I think that Sean Payton is not going to just
be quick to let him go, be quick to move on.
And at this point you probably want a more steady,
veteran presence behind your rookie quarterback. Then you'd want somebody that,
even if they have more upside In Zach Wilson, you
probably would be looking for somebody that could sort of
keep things steady him versus going to a live wire
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like Zach.
Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Yeah, I mean, if Zach Wilson's starting games this year
at this point, it's because people got hurt. Yeah, you know,
I mean, that's that's where we're at right now, unfortunately,
And I you know, again, I wish all the best
for Zach. I hope he does improve and get to
the point where he wants to be in his career.
But as it sits right now, that's that's just where
it is.
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Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
That's a good question. Well, Jim Leonard's a good first
of all, he's a good defensive coach across the board.
Former player, you know, he knows the position. There's a
credibility there. He's been a defensive coordinator before. He understands
conceptually how you're trying to tie it together. And so
you've got a guy who played the game with the
level of physicality and respect that the players are all
good to value what he says. And you know, he
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was an instinctive player. So I think it's I think
it's a matter of translating and telling these guys, hey, look,
this is how I would read this in this situation.
This is why I would look at this this way
and seeing if mentally they can sort of wrap their
head around the same thought processes that he used to
have and go from there. I think Jim Leonard is
a great addition to this staff and an inherently valuable
edition and probably advance Joseph ever leaves for another job.
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He's probably the defensive coordinator in waiting.
Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
They've done a good job I think this offseason and
maybe a little bit under the radar conversation of bringing
in a lot of coaches with experience, right, I mean
not just Jim Litard. They brought in the former OC
of the Saints. Space is his name for SEC carmike
yea Pete Carmichael. And again, you know whatever you think
about Pete Carmichael, but it's more people in the building,
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not only with the experience, but experience specifically with Sean
Payton and what he wants to be doing out here.
Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Well, the thing about Pete Carmichael is is that you
know the Drew Brees stuff. He's large as and responsible for.
Pete Carmichael and Brian Schottenheimer, where the quarterback coaches there
in San Diego and developed Drew Brees and then brought
him when Pete came to New Orleans after New Orleans
missed out on bringing in Tony Romo, and then they
pivoted to trying to get Drew Brees in there, and
ultimately because of Pete's relationship, that was a large part
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Right now, we're watching another special Teams drill kind of
and again we're getting information now from BKA out in
Canton says that we're looking at eleven forty am Mountain
Start for the Hall of Fame speeches, but unfortunately, because
Randy Gratishar is going third, that will likely mean he's
not going to be aired live here on KOWA. But
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we'll have some reaction on Monday to all of it.
And certainly there are some platforms including NFL Network, they're
going to be carrying it, and again follow on at
VK Denver Sports and at KOA, Colorado for social media updates.
We'll have plenty of those out there from Canton. I'm
glad we're able to send BK out there.
Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
We've just a little bit of a tip of the
cap to our leader here, Dave Tepper, because we've had
some really cool moments, having Anthony Rod out in Cooperstown
covering Todd Helton's induction now with Randy Gratishar. As far
as I know, we're the only stations that sent people
out to these things. What a cool, cool deal that
we're able to do that, and certainly I think that
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kind of coverage shouldn't go unnoticed. So a little tip
of the cap to you to day for for making
that happen, and glad we have BK out there covering
that so here in special Teams. One thing I wanted
to ask you, Ben, because we had a chance to
watch the Hall of Fame game the other night and
everybody wanted to see the kickoff, and we found out
pretty quick into that that it was going to be
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pretty vanilla like everything else we usually see in preseason
games that nobody wants to show anything. So as quote
unquote revolutionary as the new kickoff is going to be
for the NFL, I don't think we're really going to
get a sense of what teams are thinking about it
until the regular season.
Speaker 5 (01:07:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
I really don't either. I don't think anybody wants to
tip their hand on what it is they're trying to
do and allow anybody to be prepared week one. I
think there are teams that want to catch other teams napping.
There are teams that feel like they have a distinct advantage.
I talked briefly to Sam Schwarzenstein, what was it last
week last Friday, I think it was. He's the guy
who designed this kickoff for the XFL back in the day,
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came up with the rules for this, and he mentioned
kind of how the best XFL team teams had had
sort of exploited it and gave gave some insight on that.
And you know, we'll get into that a little bit
later here, but it's there are some there are some
ways to sort of exploit this thing, and and early on, uh,
typically you want somebody that can break a first tackle
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back there returning if you've got somebody, and that it
tends to favor running backs. If you've got somebody who
can break a first tackle just by the way that
this thing shakes out, then you have you have chances
at making big gains because just the way the static
lineup is right there at the beginning. If you if
you understand running lanes and you understand rushing lanes, and
you understand return lanes, and you understand how to break tackles,
you can you can you know you can get to
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those those weak points in the return and be able
to do that.
Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
All right.
Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
We had a ton of text that just came in.
Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Oh. Something pointed out David Shaw as well. That's another
so again brought in to be part of as a consultant.
He's going to be around, I think again, just having
more experience in the building. Nothing bad there, Uh, who
you got Nick or Stitty. I've been pretty clear that
I think Nix is going to be the guy. Ben
still thinks stid him, at least as we start today.
Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
I think Nix will be the guy when he becomes
the guy. Right now, it's to me, it's it's Stidham.
I think it's the best way to phrase.
Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
What about Julil McLoughlin, Is he doing anything worth reporting?
Speaker 6 (01:09:11):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Absolutely, yeah, Oh yeah, he's going to get eight to
ten touches a game. Plus he's probably gonna be uh,
he's probably gonna be the starting one of the started
kick returners on this team, probably him and Treymond if
I if I had to guess today, and Treymon Smith
will be the start of kick returners. Mims will be
the punt returner, and then mcgloughlin will be running back
two or three depending on how you look at it.
With it with a kind of an eight to ten
touch workload.
Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Per game, can you compare Troy Franklin with Marvin mimss
a rookie similarities?
Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Question mark from.
Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Steve Mims is faster, a better receiver, more natural receiver,
more athletic, quicker change of direction, and better hands. I mean,
not the dog Troy Franklin. But Mims is just better
at everything he is.
Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
And you know, with Troy Franklin, once again, I there's
enough raw talent there that there's nothing that he's doing
this deterring my belief in him, right, And I don't
know if that's how you feel, but I'm just telling
you how I feel like I still see some special
out there. He just looks like he's he's thinking a lot,
and and that's okay. I mean, that's that's part of
what happens when you become a pro. I mean it's
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a different game, you know what. What you were as
an elite athlete in college, where you're running away from
everybody is not the case when you get to the pros.
And I know that goes without saying because we we
say it often, but it's understanding that when you get
out here, the talent level is just that much better
and those windows are so much tighter. Even that that
that pass, that was a beautiful pass from Stidham to
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the corner down here.
Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Yeah, that was a great pass.
Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
And you know, those are situations. I mean he had
probably a few of those in Oregon.
Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
Most of the time.
Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
He's gonna be taller, he's gonna be faster, he's gonna
have a you know, scheme to open because he's the
guy here.
Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
You're you're buried on the depth chart.
Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Man, You've got you gotta fight, you know, scratch, you
got a claw, you've gotta you gotta show the coaches
as well, as the quarterbacks out here that you can
be reliable.
Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Yeah, I think that's I think you hit the nail
on the head there. I think one of the things
when you look at the college tape and evaluating a
guy is how much was he schemed open and how
much did he get open? And so that's that's the thing.
Troy Franklin was often schemed open at Oregon. And that's
not to say he's not a great athlete.
Speaker 6 (01:11:06):
He is, but his.
Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Skills as a receiver leave something to be desired at
this point. And again, I'm seeing a guy who has
a lot of potential could become something, but as it
sits right now is probably wide receiver six ish wide
receiver seven ish out here makes the fifty three dim
due to the fact of where he was drafted, and
it's probably a game day inactive at this point.
Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Listening from Michigan on the iHeart app Thank you very much.
Who ran with the ones the most? They've been pretty
even in rotation, Yeah, they're pretty even. There isn't anything
to learn from that, unfortunately right now. And I know
that that I've been asked that a couple of times.
As far as can you tell based on the reps.
The only one that it feels like, based on the
reps that they might have won the job would be
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Luke Wattenberg at center, and again they're not going to
officially name him the center. They have still cycled in
this last week both must have for as well as Forsyth,
But right now, i'd say, based on the amount of
time he's been in there, it seems like they're leaning
Luke Wattenberg. But when it comes to the quarterbacks, the
only change they made this week is that Zach Wilson
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has not run with the ones since I don't know
what Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
I think maybe Monday or Tuesday. It's been a long time, so.
Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
It has been consistently stid him and Nicks alternating with
the ones throughout the course of the week. Now the twos,
Zack Wilson has gotten some time with the twos, but Zach,
but it has been Nicks and it's been sitting with
the ones. And I'd say that that rotation will likely
continue into next week.
Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Yeah, today, I would say, as they're doing field goal now,
I I I would say it's been a pretty rough
day for the corners. I don't think Moss or mathis
has looked particularly good today. Moss is getting cooked by
Dulcitch out there right now. He looks great, by the way, Yeah,
he really does. If he could stay healthy. Man by
by that stock, if you can buy a low buy
that stock. You know, matthis hit the flag earlier. So
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over there, uh, Jaylen Allen blew up Troy Franklin in
the backfield. We've seen a couple of you know, we've
seen a couple of plays like that. I I just
you know, today has not been yet. Wall get hurt,
Boss get cooked and and Mathos get penalties. It's not
been a great day for the corners out there.
Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Yeah, but then that's why you had these scrimmages. That's
why you have these opportunities. They're learning moments. And you know,
even yesterday I liked what Sean Payton had to say
after practice. He said, hey, there, we had some penalties
on the two minute drive, offensively and defensively. And you
know you have the whole holding penalty that took you
out of field goal range and had a couple of
defense penalties that allowed drives to continue. These are when
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you want to make those mistakes because they got a
chance to coach them up and help these guys improve
from that. But once again, there's just there's so many
moving parts. I did like one thing though from Sean yesterday.
He said he chose yesterday as a day to really
tighten the screws on these guys in the details they did,
and the coaches.
Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Were really really coaching them up. They want they want
to be detail oriented. Yesterday they wanted to be in
their face about mistakes and and and all that kind
of stuff, not just letting things slide. You set the
standard that it's not acceptable. You make sure you pointed
out in real time, and then you go back when
you're on the on the clicker later and you get
to repoint it out again.
Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Another question coming in here on the Kiwek Common Spirit
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Skinner coming along with Brandon Jones still out.
Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
He's had a couple of plays today. Yes, he's you know,
he's a he's a big physical jar. Oh you notice
him safety you know, Yeah, you know he's out there.
I thought he's had a couple of plays today. I
you know, based on where we are sometimes my ability
to see where he's actually at in coverage is a
little bit difficult, but uh, he's certainly made a couple
of plays today I've noticed as an end result Ben
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and Ryan.
Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
How does Tim Patrick look versus his prime Any risk
of him being demoted?
Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Well, I don't know what. He's one of the big
four receivers. He's got a platoon at the X of
Courtland Sutton. You may see it move around a little
bit in some some other packages, but he'll mostly platoon
at the X with Sudden. I don't know what a
demotion necessarily means. He'll be wide receiver for at floor
on this team.
Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
He looks good out there, and it does look good
out there. Good, I don't had a really nice day yesterday, and.
Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
It looks like Nix is out there again for for
next set of reps. So it looks like we're doing
red zone here.
Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Okay, great, yeah, red zone. Last Saturday it was a
lot of fun. I mean, we saw some really great
moments from Nicks. He had three passing touchdowns, and of
course he had the one interception, the really the only
real interception he's had over the course of training camp.
Though there are some media members that like to count
one on ones.
Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Well, I don't I think for context.
Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
You know, I mean, I mean, if you're trying to
frame things in a way, yes.
Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
And Nick's uh, doesn't see anybody takes off scrambles.
Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
And and by the way, with the scrambling, and we
found out yesterday with Sean that you know, typically typically
scrambling in seven on seven is a faux pas, right
is it is frowned upon, And they definitely get some
jeers from the media watching, like, oh, come on, you
can't scramble during seven on seven. But then Shan yesterday said, now, actually,
I'm telling these guys treat it like a game, and
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and I want the receivers downfield to even be blocking.
Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Now take that for what it is.
Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
I'm just saying that the way that they're viewing this,
because I asked Sean this week in fact, about Bonnicks
scrambling or any of the quarterbacks scrambling even in during
team saying, well, would you prefer them to stay in
and run the and he says, no, I want them
to treat like a game if it's not their go.
Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
That's what I've been pretty consistent about that is, you know,
you kind of want to practice as you're going to play.
You don't want to put something into your mind that
you're not actually ever going to do. And so I've
always been okay with that. I just I note it
because it seems like it's happening disproportionately with both then
it is with anyone else. You wonder a little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
And I'm not trying to directly tie to Josh Allen
because they're not the same kind of quarterback, but you
wonder a little bit, especially with a rookie quarterback, if
that's a way that you can make at least a
positive play happen that the coaching staff isn't.
Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Kind of supportive of it, you know, Yeah, And I
believe that they're telling him that right now until the
game slows down for him a little bit more. You know, Hey,
if it's if it's too fast for your take off,
I mean, it's the same thing you tell a justin fields,
you know, if it's too fast for you, then then
take off until it slows down. For until it gets
the point where it slows down for you, and then
you kind of want to rain that in a little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
All Right, it looks like it's gonna be four third down,
all right, So we're really going to third down here
in goal ver Bone Nicks and the first team off.
Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
You got two.
Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Because we've got a lot of questions if Nix is
getting extra run with ones today, he is actually a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
They're they're kind of they're kind of divving it up.
But it's it's Nicks than Stidham Insteadham the Nicks. They're
kind of divving it.
Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Though Didham didn't get This is to two in a
row for Nicks.
Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Is my point. This is to run with the ones
in a row. Now, I'm not telling you that that
means anything. I'm just telling you.
Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
That's what it is. This is a new set of drills.
Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Yeah, this is a new set of Yeah, this is
a new set of drills. But I'm just saying it's
back to back with the ones for Knicks. We'll see
if Stidham gets a run with the ones again.
Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
Yes, with the ones the first at the thing. So
it's it's like I said, it's it's just it's just
the rotation that they do. And I don't think I
don't think there's anything to take from that. I think
it's clearly those two guys, uh that are still you know,
in the mix for this and I think once you
start seeing bo just take old you know you'll you'll
see it. You'll know it when when Sean Payton feels
comfortable that he's the guy, you'll see him take all
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the one stuff and that'll that'll just be that. I'm
just saying you may want to rethink your bet. I'm
not really thinking anything, so missed Josh Reynolds on the show.
Gallow Crosser at the end zone.
Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Yeah, that was running into the third I don't know
what they're running now, still rud zone.
Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
All right, Well, come back.
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If you want to continue to send your questions and
we would be happy to answer them. Moments ago, BONICKX
hitting Courtland Sutton on third down in the red zone
for a touchdown, which was a nice play in the
corner of the end zone.
Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
What's going on with Jarrett Sidham.
Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
You hit Troutman in the hands in the end zone,
he dropped it. Ah, Okay, that was right there at
the shallow pilon on the left side.
Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
So Troutman clearly is trying to uh stomp.
Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
He's throwing it for bonus throw for both. That's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
Oh my god, cauld you imagine like that that Trump
is like, oh, I've seen enough.
Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm absolutely gonna drop this now, trout
But I think is an important ad, right, I mean,
I know that it's like an under the radar. Nobody's
talking about it because everybody's been talking about Dulcitch and Croll.
But Troutman is is is a complete tight end and
and he does offer you something in the past game
as well as blocking, and I think more so in
the blocking game.
Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
But it's an important factor of this offense.
Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
Yeah, I think Stidham just scored the touchdown there, but
I couldn't tell you threw it too. I was kind
of walled off.
Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
So I'll see if Twitter will tell me, because then
we have a we have a bunch of media members
up on the burn.
Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
I'm may even one hundred percent sure it was caught,
but the body language of the offense looked like it was.
It's just the way I'm walled off here. I can
see that at the top of the helmet.
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Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
I'm not even sure what that play was. Thatch Wilson
came out, the ball came out, of his hand looking
like a Ninja star, So I don't know, I don't
know what that was. Yeah, like an ten star, but
like the t bow Ninja star, the ball traveled end
over end. It was intended for a running back on
a choice route, and I don't I'm not sure what
that was.
Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
Blake Watson getting in. It's good to see him out
here again. I think you and I think they got
plans for him.
Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
I think you know he might factor in the kick
return rotation with Jalil and treymont Smith, and I think
they'd like to get him a a few touches here there.
Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
As well, and see if there's any more questions five
six six nine zero. After years of new ownership, can
you talk about how the Penner group is similar to
and different than the Pat Bowling years of ownership? Do
you feel do players feel similarly about the Penners.
Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
You know, I was only here for the back part
of the Bowling thing, and especially when he was kind
of being phased out, so I couldn't really speak to that.
I would say that the guys who talk about Pat
Bowlan talk with a certain type of reverence. I would
not necessarily say that these guys talk about the Penners
that way yet, although they do say specifically that they
believe that they will outlay financially to put this team
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in success, whether that's changing fields for one game, going
out there, rolling out new turf for one game, you know,
putting new new medical facilities, you know, in stuff like
that that they do take player suggestions. So maybe the
Penners haven't owned this long enough yet to sort of
get that reverence.
Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
But headed in the right direction one hundred percent. And Yeah,
just to kind of piggyback on that, I'd say that
the overwhelming that's a touchdown, touchdown Wilson Jack Wilson, Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
What's the best way to phrase that? Squeezed the ball
in somewhere it probably shouldn't have been, and the receiver
made a good play on it and caught that. Is
that like his entire career? I believe it was Brandon
Johnson ketch caball there.
Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
I mean, that's that's what he does, right, I mean,
when it happens and it works, it's like, oh man,
there's only a few quarterbacks in the world that could
do that.
Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
Yeah, this was this was this was an ill advised
throw to the wrong side. Of the receiver that Brandon
Johnson just kind of made a play.
Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
You got that kind of arm talent, you know sometimes
that we call that sack.
Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Does I mean Zach does have. Like if we're being
fair here, because we've been dogging him all day. If
Zach Wilson has the strongest arm by far, he has
the best athleticism by far, you know that kind of stuff.
He's just wildly in consistent. By the way, eighty four
just made a touchdown grab there too, on whatever it
was they were doing there. Eighty four. Yeah, I just
leaped up and.
Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
Oh that's Hunter.
Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Yeah, the new guy.
Speaker 6 (01:22:52):
Guy.
Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
You gotta play back back right corner of the end zone.
Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
That's what happens when we started adding players.
Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
That's why I just refer to people by number in
training camp.
Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
I've got most of them down. I'm like ready to
go on most of them at this point. But then yeah,
when they add some of him, like I don't know
in eighty four, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
Just I just refer to my number till cut that
to day. That's that's been my rule for a couple
of years.
Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
But back to the petits, though, you're a number to me,
I get that often back to the vaulton Peers, I'd
say that yes, so far, the players, the ones that
have come here, have all spoke glowingly. We see Greg
Penner out here. He's not up there on top of
the on top of the building, he's out here on
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the field. He's watching a lot of these practices. I
know that it matters to him that this team is
wins in several facets. He wants to win off the
field as well as on the field, and he wants
to turn this franchise back into what it was, where
a consistently contending team, and he's offering whatever resources he can,
including paying a head coach nearly twenty million dollars per year,
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in training a first and swapping a Day two pick
for him. I mean that's that there's there's a multitude
of ways that this ownership group has really already can tribute.
You mentioned what they've done with the facilities, and then
what they're gonna plan on doing with this facility out here,
the practice field, that what they've done down there at
in power field a mile high. There's a standard that
they're they're trying to set and the players they notice it,
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and for me, it's only kind of a matter of
time till it all kind of catches up and this
team can can be who they are. But again comes
down to plan at the quarterback, plan at the coach.
Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
Are they in line? Are you in the right direction
at least right now? We hope they are.
Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
Monis back out their goal line situations. Looks like the
ones are back out Sutton, little Jordan Humphrey in with
the one receivers.
Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
By the way, Okay, yeah, you know, he's an interesting
guy because he's.
Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
I get it at goal line, you know, yeah, you know,
I get it. I get it a goal line.
Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
He's been he's been pretty sure handed out here for
a lot of practices. And again, he probably won't be
somebody that we're all talking about needing to absolutely be
on the fifty three. I think he's more of a
guy that you're bringing up on from practice squad relatively often.
But the but the Broncos here, especially with Sean Payton,
they really like him. They like that he understands what
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it means to to, you know, be a Saint. Which
New Orleans Saint players you've I mean, last year was
it with Marquis Calloway was here? Who I think is
now back with the Saints. And little Jordan Humphrey, Well,
guess what. Little George Humphrey is the guy that actually
ended up sticking more so than Marquez.
Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
Yeah, and and Tremont Smith I believe was not Tremon Smith.
Uh tree kwan tree kwan.
Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
Yes, it was out here. It was out here as
well for a cup of coffee.
Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
Yep, yep. So I think Stidham just ran one in
uh Bo would would have passed. I thought was close.
It could have been a touchdown. I'm not a hunter.
Sure I this This referee on this side did not
signal touchdown and then he just did for Stidham's run.
So okay, we'll see. It may have been a touchdown
for Bo. I don't I don't want to discredit him.
I just he didn't signal over here. So how do
you balance out?
Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
And we've had this conversation a few times, not only
on K Sports as well as Broncos Country tonight and
maybe even last Saturday. How do you balance out when
you're seeing success from the offense, whether it's running game
or passing game, and knowing that it's against this defense,
do you do you feel like that's something negative to
view from the defensive side of the ball at the
offensive getting their wins.
Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
I don't think it's negative either way. I mean, I
think that these practices in front of fans are designed
for the offense to look a little bit better. So
anytime you know, you kind of have that, I think
you take that as it were. I think if you're
looking at whether or not it's it's a negative for
the offensive defense. I think you look at in game situations.
When you get into a preseason game, you can start
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to see if it doesn't look like it's flowing, then
you're like, okay, this was deliberately set up in practice
to you know, for one side or the other. I
you know, again, I just want to see preseason action. Now.
These scrimmages are good, which we're sort of seeing what
it is conceptually they want to do, but I want
to see it all put together in a game type
situation now before we before we make any judgments.
Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
Yeah, we get to that point, right, You get to
that point in camp. You're you're excited when camp last Saturday,
we're just anthe camp was, yeah, and then now you
get a week later in you're like, I've seen enough
of the kind of drills, and I've seen enough all
of this, and I think I'm ready for an actual
our players versus somebody else's players. And I think the
actual players out here feel the same way. Yeah, I mean, honestly,
(01:27:10):
I think that a lot of them are kind of
get to a point. I remember talking to Malcolm Roach
yesterday talking about going up against the same offensive line.
Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
Every single day.
Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
He had a great answer though, because he said, well, yes,
you do get a little fatigue with that, but on
the other side of it, you understand that we're trying
to help them get better, just like they're trying to
help us get better.
Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
And if you have that mindset of this, that's why
it's practice.
Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
That's why it's Hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna put everything
I can into this rep, just like you're putting everything
you have into this rep. Because when we do see opponents,
we do see somebody else, then we're gonna be at
our best.
Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
Yeah, And I think, I mean, competition makes everybody better.
But the one thing that you worry about is when
you're practicing every day against the same guy is a defender,
do you or offensive player either one? Do you start
playing the guy instead of the technique, right right, you know,
you start to know that guy's weakness is limitation since
she's like, you know, I have a chance to put
a good reputs by doing the X, Y and Z,
and the people you're playing over the course of the
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season may not be susceptible to that same technique, whatever
it is. So I think it's important to make sure
that you're playing the technique and not the man.
Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Keep sending your questions in five six six nine zero
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the coaches ever talk to some of the top offensive
players on who they like at quarterback?
Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
I mean, I wouldn't know if that's something that that's happening.
Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
And they have been very very I mean see Cagy
that that feels extreme, but they've been close to the vest,
if you will. Sean Payton, even when asked about bo
Nicks earlier this week, kind of had a bit of
a funny moment because he immediately turned the conversation into
praise for Josh Reynolds, and then he was asked about
Bonicks again and he's like, I got you know, watch
the tape, but yeah, I think he's doing good.
Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
He seems like he's trying to.
Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Be very careful in some of his praise and careful
in the way that he's framing the quarterback conversation.
Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
Have you noticed that, Ben, Yeah, I mean with it
with his face on it.
Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
Yeah. Yeah, you know if at the stand and now
we all know where all these rich eyes in and
Calent Coward and all those people all know where getting
the exact same quote they're all using about about bone Nicks.
It's all come from San Jean Payton leaks to the media.
It's that's where they're all getting from, directly from Sean Payne.
So you know, we we know those kinds of things.
But I think he's doing the right thing publicly. I mean,
the last thing the local guys here want to do
is see Sean Payton up. They're always talking about bone
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Nicks and not crediting his guys. It's it goes a
long way. A little bit goes a long way when
you're when you sprinkle the credit around. And I'll refer
you back to Vic Fangio, who was quite stingy with
that kind of story. Yeah, and it you know, it
got to a point in the locker room were like dude, like,
we're out here playing for you can't sit here and
say something nice, you know, to the media at any point.
So you know, I think it goes a long way
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when he does stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
Per Adam Schefter moments ago, Tyreek killing Dolphins riach agreement
in a restructured contract where ninety million over the next
three years, including sixty five million guaranteed. This brings the
four year total of vully guaranteed money to one hundred
and six point five million, the most ever for any
wide receiver. And I mean, based on what we have
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seen with Tyreek Hill and that Dolphins offense, and they
gave new money to Jalen Waddle already this offseason, that
just makes a lot of sense to keep him happy
because he is one of the most dynamic wide receivers
in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
Well, I mean, you know, and he's expecting what a
twelve kid I think, you know at this point, So
that'll help out with that. But Tyreek, he had a
funny moment when he was talking about it yesterday that
that was coming and he said, look, I just told
my agent, don't get me traded like you did the
last time.
Speaker 6 (01:30:34):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
Oh, I didn't see that. That's really funny. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, because I wouldn't have thought that he wanted
to leave the Kansas City Chiefs. But as it turns out,
it's actually worked for both teams, right, I mean, the
Dolphins clearly are a better team with Tyreek Hill and
then the meanwhile, the Chiefs, what they did is they
just decided to load up on defense and added.
Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
A lot of them to do that.
Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
Yeah, it's carried it last year, added a lot of
blue chip players on the defensive side of the ball,
and they now went back to back championships without Tyreek Hilly.
Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Tyreek went and got the money that he wanted. He's
getting the stats in the accolades. Meanwhile over there, the
Chiefs will winning rings. So everybody, they're sure Broncos fans
don't want to hear that.
Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
No, no, of course not.
Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
But you know you, as a lifelong Chiefs fan, I'm
sure you feel fine about it. I'm sorry I couldn't
hear either, would you say, Yeah, you couldn't hear me
through the rings?
Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
Yeah, in your ears?
Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
Yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
But yeah, we see that once in a while, right
we Broncos fans.
Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Unfortunately, don't feel the same way about the Russell Wilson
trade that didn't exactly work out for both sides, but
the Lions and the Rams right Stafford and Golf. It's
another example of a trade that has worked out for
both sides and both teams have thried it thrived in
those situations. We're getting another team drill going here after
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special teams. I'm trying to see who the starting quarterback
is for this final team drill. As practices, it's gonna
be Stidham.
Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
So, yeah, you're right. So in the end, today they
ended up balancing it out.
Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
They just did it.
Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
They didn't alternate as much as they had before or
so before it was in every other.
Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
This they did one two one two two one. You know,
they did it like like a little bit almost like
a snake you know, a snake draft kind of thing
if you're a fantasy football player.
Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
So do you think this week we're going to continue
to see it like that?
Speaker 6 (01:32:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
I do.
Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
Again, I I think two things can be true at
the same time. I think Bix is on a trajectory
to become the starter, and if the season started right now,
Jared Sstdham would be the guy they and they the
competent where everybody's like, oh, Bonex is blowing him away
is not true. In fact, that came from an account
that has not observed one practice at all. So I
you know, I think that there is I don't think
it's a competition. I think there is practices, and we're
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waiting for bo to take the job definitively and he
hasn't quite done that yet.
Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Question coming in on the Kawa Common Spirit Health text
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upon your considerable experience, contrast and compare Wilson in camp
last year versus Nixon Stidham.
Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
Is the approach from Sean Payton any different?
Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
A lot different? Yeah, this is I mean when you
came into camp last year, Russell Wilson was the guy,
and he was going to be the guy, you know
kind of period. I know there were people talking Steadham
up because of you know, a couple of guaranteed dollars
or whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
But well, and he was a day one ad in
free agency.
Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
Yeah, but I mean still there was never there was
never anyed doubt who was the quarterback last year. If
you watched the way that things were distributed, the Broncos
were trying to see if Russell Wilson was indeed the
future of this organization or not, and then ultimately decided
that he wasn't. So yeah, that's just wildly different in
this particular situation. You know, people are calling it a
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quarterback competition. I wouldn't call it that. I would say
that this is waiting for Bo Nick to take the job.
Stidham is the placeholder at QB one until bo passes him,
and then bow will be the guy. And that's that's
where we are right now.
Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
And you know what, I think that's it's pretty fair
for both quarterbacks in the end, right, because if you're
Jared Stidham coming into this season, you know they just
drafted a first round quarterback.
Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
He's going to play eventually.
Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
But it doesn't mean you can't go out there and
make it competitive, right, And I think that's what you
sell if you're Sean Payton. And maybe he didn't even
have to say anything because Jared stim has been around
the league for a while. Zach Wilson's more of the
guy coming in here that needs to prove something, right,
He's the one that's coming in behind everybody. But you
both Zach Wilson and Jared Sidam know that BONNICKX is
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gonna eventually play. So then if you're Jared Sidham, you say, hey,
I got to make it hard on the rook That's
my job. My job is to say I deserve to
be in this conversation. I'm gonna go out here and
do everything. But the thing about it is, and then
we don't know this port part of it from the
coaching staff. Are they looking for somebody to go out
there when you say take it to do something that
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is a little bit above and beyond what the expected
level of that player is. For example, with Jared Stidham,
you know that he tends to look at things as hey,
what can I what is the defense giving me? I'm
gonna tear it Teddy Bridgewater this thing up, I'm gonna
check down. I'm gonna hit everything underneath because I'm gonna
not ever have a negative play. Is the coaching staff saying, well,
if you're gonna win the we need you to go
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to another level.
Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
I don't think that's it. I think they're looking for
core competency on execution. By the way, Stidham just had
a laser down the middle there. Uh, good, good deep
throw from from the normal, the normal Bridgewater type. I think, Uh,
they're running some hurry up here, So I think I
don't know, I don't I don't know what they're looking
to see who they are. I think they're looking for
a core competency, and they look for bow Nicks to show, Hey,
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I've got complete control of this offense. I'm capable of
doing more than just calling a play and making a
quick throw. I'm capable of setting the table, reading the defense,
and then executing the offense has called. And I think
once Bo gets to that point and shows that consistently
for a few days, that then all of a sudden,
you'll start to see this thing tilted in a different direction.
Right now, they're just divvying up the once because they
know what Stidham is. They know he's a caretaker and uh,
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and he's kind of that guy. And you're waiting for
bow to just become the starter. You know, there's a
there's a great line in uh in the show The
West Wing about finding the presidential voice, that moment where
you you realize you get the confidence I am running
for the press and I'm qualified for this job, right
and it's it's about that. It's about making it all click.
You know, where you go from I'm a guy competing
for this job to I am the guy that is.
Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
A Really that wasn't really nice.
Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
I'm trying to see who ended up being the pass too,
because again it's a Jared Siddim with the ones taking
on the first team defense.
Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
It was an inbreaking route. That's about all I could see.
Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
But it was it was really nice pass. And as
they run in a little bit of a hurry.
Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
Up here, there's seven seconds left on the clock and
this is you're down by a touchdown. We're four fourth quarters,
so uh, this is going to be a shot to
the end zone.
Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
The other defense is three deep prevent uh, three deep
prevent heels on the goal line here, So this will
be interesting to see how they what they run here
knowing that the defense is camped on the end zone.
Not not the I mean really it was. It was
a tough drive. You know, it started as a penalty
to for a false start over. There was a boneheaded
Garrett Bowles I think full start earlier as well, to
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put them behind the chains early. So shoves up for
the end zone picked. It may have been close to
Oh no, they are calling it. Okay, they're calling down down.
Speaker 3 (01:37:04):
Okay, it was tip. It was tipped before he got
to the tipped.
Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
And they looked like PJ Lock I think made a
diving play on it.
Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
But so we get the drill here. Fifty three seconds
starting on the forty four yard line, fourth quarter, down
by six. That's that's the drill. Yeah, And so we
got a chance to see Stidham with the ones. Uh
they did not didn't score a touchdown. That was a
very nice pass that he had there. But up until
that point you talked about there was a full start.
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There was a scramble from Stidham, even though actually I
think he was sacked. So not not the greatest showing
there on that that first team. We'll see if Bo
can do something here to build on his legend.
Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
Yeah, this will be an opportunity for Bo to get
some of the fans excited here as he gets to
do the same drill against what looks like the second
team defense. Is I'm looking looking at numbers out here. Yeah,
so this is what it looked like.
Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
Getting getting a few details from the media that are
up in the so for Stidham. First play was a sack,
second place Moscot beat by Sutton, but he was on the.
Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
Ground lock tip ball there bo. Nick's third play.
Speaker 3 (01:38:11):
Was another sack and then Bowles as you mentioned, with
a false start.
Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
Yeah, tipball there. It was not really the best position.
I think if you've gone a little more inside of
the receiver there, it might have had to play on
the ball that was tipped by the defender.
Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
I think that was Memes that actually caught that pass
from Sidham earlier.
Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
Could have been he was back out there again here.
Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
Yeah, and that was on a fourth and eighteen, So
that was a big play from Mems.
Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
So as we're final moments for us, and we appreciate
you guys rolling with us on a Saturday, as we're
broadcasting live from Broncos Park powered by Common Spirit, we'll
swing to the back as the running back gets out
there and Julian McLoughlin, who again he could I believe he.
Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
Had an escort out there with Adkins on the block.
Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
If I'm not mistaken you, We're gonna see a lot
of that stuff this year. Honestly, that was a false start.
Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
They didn't call there.
Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
Once again, if you're just tuning in. We are going
to podcast this, so we've been on for just about
two hours. It's going to be up at the Broncos
Country Tonight podcast page as well as Kiawei Sports since
both of us kind of do alternating shows there. But well,
and we'll have breakdown on Monday, of course on both
of our programs, talking about not only the Saturday scrimmage,
but sort of what we expect for the rest of
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the week. They do have training camp practices every day
Monday through Friday this week, although a little programming note.
I guess Friday will not be open to the fans,
so in case you have tickets already, it was initially
slated to be for the fans, but they're going to
move the practice inside.
Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
Oh that's p I fourth and down. It wasn't fourth
and two. We didn't touch him fourth and two.
Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
He didn't touch it? You're high? How is it the
center France? If he doesn't touch it, it's fourth and two.
It was a fourth and two play.
Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
Just like Carly Sutton didn't have one foot in yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
Huh, he didn't have either foot in?
Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
All right, Well, there he goes.
Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
They didn't convert, Bonix didn't convert, and they ended up
so both the first team man second team were not
able to score a touchdown.
Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
During that drill. Yeah, it was a fourth and two
and he was trying to hit it was either a
slant or an in breaking r out. There couldn't tell
it was a square inner slant just from the angle.
Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
But Shure thrown the flag and the referees right literally
right there, like he's pretty obvious you didn't touch him.
Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
I get your rooting for something here. Oh no, no, no, no,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:40:17):
Hey, listen, don't ever question my integrity.
Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
Guy that's actually placing bets on the quarterbacks, don't don't
question my integrity.
Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
That not your integrity. I'm making a joke here.
Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
Yeah, you you're the one that's actually laying bets on
these quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
I am not so that does that have anything to
do with it. I'm just telling you, like I I
I know you're just telling me, what does that have
anything to.
Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
Do with it? I'm just saying, we're we're talking about
what we're expecting to see out here, and I'm just
telling you that I thought that was a penalty.
Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
You're right, the ref stand right there. He didn't call it,
so that's ends up being the.
Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
Case overthrow there for who is it was that?
Speaker 6 (01:40:48):
Zach?
Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
Yeah? Okay, I mean he said bad overthrow.
Speaker 7 (01:40:50):
Well I repeat myself. Here's a bad over the redundancy. Yeah,
those a redundant department done the see department?
Speaker 1 (01:41:01):
All right?
Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
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Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
I don't know that he should have squeezed that in,
but he did. Troy frank await for Troy frank Here
we go. I'm positive about both of Troy hurried it
up in the Clockett there at clocks tick.
Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
I am rooting for Troy Franklin. I definitely would like
to see him.
Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
Yeah, well, gain some confidence, can get worse. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
Oh no, nearly batted at the line. They had a
couple of days ago where there are a lot of
passes bat bat of the line.
Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
They had four or five of them. That was uh,
and it was evenly distributed to so it wasn't just
any one quarterback getting battered it with all of them.
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Speaker 3 (01:41:59):
So idle moments here, we got the third team offense driving.
Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
Get second ten ball on the thirteen.
Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
Okay, so hopefully we can get a touchdown here before
we're out of here, before the office back foot.
Speaker 1 (01:42:15):
Oh my god, Zach goals, you know what? Hopefully we
go just yeah the yolo. Yeah, shades of Drew lock there. Yes,
Oh my gosh, you know it's funny you bring that up.
That's yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
So he reminds you of I mean a little bit
right with a mean unbelievable arm talent, and just like
I can I can do this.
Speaker 1 (01:42:39):
I can get away with this this throw. Yeah, when
you get away with it at college, and you can
get away with in college with the with the throwing
lanes and the wider hashes, but you just not get
away with that pros.
Speaker 3 (01:42:47):
All right, So we got third and ten. Come on, Zach,
Come on, Zach.
Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
That didn't work.
Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
I want to thank Anthony Rodriguez Dave Tepper out here
helping us produce this pro Graham. Thank you to Rick
Lewis for coming by and joining us for a little
bit k out in Canton with the Hall of Fame.
Also Jeff Brentley back in the studio doing a really,
really terrific job running the board. Ben and I'll be
back on Monday. Thank you guys for listening to us
here on a very special Saturday edition of our program
(01:43:16):
live from Broncos Park, powered by Common Spirit on KOA
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All right, Happy Saturday, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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et cetera. Anthony Rod out here doing his fantastic work.
So you want to check all that out at Albright
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Speaker 1 (00:34):
Ben, good morning, how are you? I'm sorry, I was
just tending to my engagement crops over here.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
I'm glad you're being honest though, Finally.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
The opinion that disagrees with Ryan's engagement farming and you
could only get the truth at our Awarde Radio done.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Farmer Ben, that's what that's what they're calling you out here.
That's what all the media members are calling you out here.
Farmer Ben.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I do provide the goods for all of America. That's
not that's not why they're calling you that.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
But it's good to see you. And uh, how how
Saturday treating you? I see you're you're showing up with
your customary fast food.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
It's good. Yeah, I treat your body like a temple.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
That's what it's what I do. It's uh, you know,
it's it's important to keep it, keep it tight. So
you know I went with the with the protein, with
the sausage.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
There is that at least diet coke.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, okay, good, thank god, just one calorie not even.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
But you get past forty you kind of have to
go diet coke right to Actually, I don't like diet coke.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I think it takes gross I think it's awful. Coke
zero is if I'm going, if I'm doing that, okay,
coke zero. But I had to die cooke taste all.
It's just what came with the sandwich that I.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Was like, all right, my dad was a big diet
coke guy.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, my mom too. Yeah. I'm not an aspertame guy.
Is an aspertain or a Sparta may. I'm just trying
to get I got him to laugh. I'm just trying
to get ros Kaminsky to laugh.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Well, le's let's sort of a quick pull at all
bright NFL and we'll do.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
The thing told up there in the ten yesterday, I said,
my goal the rest of this training camp was just
to get one to get my cliss to crack character
one time. Oh my god, that was so funny. It
was like, I'm a pretty easy laugh. I'm like, well,
what does that say about my comedy?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Yep, that was one of the best moments of Trading
camp so far.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
You're like you you're because you being who you are
in your personality, you tend to you little Grigory's but
more than anything, as you're trying to entertain everybody up there,
you you got your comedy show up at a routine
going you. Meanwhile, everybody's watching practice once again. You at
the standard routine. Maybe that's why your Twitter account is
the way it is. But anyways, I digress.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Popular, You're welcome. That's good.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
That the coke is working, that's good. That's good. Uh
that coke.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
But yeah, but diet coke putting emphasis on that after
Ross's segment the other day.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
But anyways, uh yeah, no, I mean you you you've
got the standard routine going.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
But man, Mike Clips.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Just like I'm a left field too, you know, you
never know what. Mike's kind of got a one liner
on standby there.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
It was the greatest moment. He's like, I actually have.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
A pretty easy laugh. I don't like, oh oh.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
It hurts, get your right to the quick anyway. So
we're out here there, of course doing some stretching. Now
today expect it to be a bit of a scrimmage
day according to coach Peyton, as he told us just
a couple of days ago, and we got the guys
in pads, so I don't know. Today could be a
little bit of fun. I think they're gonna do some
situational things.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
It's fascinating to me, Ben because historically this is obviously
pre Sean Payton.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
We used to do these Saturday practice out of the
stadium like this was it.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
This was an events. I do recall I had the
roving microphone out there. Oh yeah, I remember I got
joinked on the head by a Branda McManus kick one time.
I mean, the fans on the south stands remember that.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
There's some kind of joke I'd like to make, but
probably not going to about that, but I will.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I will. Situational awareness.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
We try to coach that all the time around here.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
But to that point, do you like that we still
do it this way now where it's it's more of
a it's just just like a normal training camp practice,
maybe amped up a little bit with some pads, with
a little bit of a scrimmage before the day off tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Or do you do you miss it a little bit
at the stadium?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I miss it. I like the atmosphere of the environment, you know,
it kind of kind of puts you in football mode.
I think I'd like to see the joint practice scrimmage
kind of stuff out there, you know, with the Packers,
but you won't because you know, you get the preseason game.
So I missed that a little bit. You know, scrimmage
out here okay, cool, but you know you fewer fans
can see it. And I don't know. I'm a big
(04:21):
fan of practice. What you're gonna do, and if you're
gonna do a scrimmage, do it out there in the
stadium like you with a real game. Yeah, play any
real games out here.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Five six six niney zero Ethan from North Dakota, chiming in.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
All we want to hear is the different perspectives you
two have through practice. So I mean, we're gonna try
to give that to you as best we can. We
do have quite a few people that are gonna stopping by.
We're gonna be checking with VK. Brandon Christall from Canton,
Randy Graschar being inducted into the Hall of Fame today.
Although there is a weather delay right now out in Ohio.
Boy that this time of year. I mean even the
Hall of Fame game Thursday night, they just third halfway
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through the third quarter, third quarter, like all right, we're good. Then,
we've seen enough the weathers coming in.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
We're good.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But this time of year in Canton especially, and I
was out there for Steve Atwaters Hall of Fame induction,
it was the same deal. I mean it was the
thunderstorms get pretty narly this time of year up in Ohio.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Well, checking with.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
BK at ten twenty, Rick Lewis is gonna swing by,
Susie Warrigen's gonna swing by.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
So we got and we got all sorts of really
cool people out here.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
You mentioned Ross is hanging out, Ryan Schuling, who you've
heard on Kawa, He's hanging around. So it's gonna be
a really fun day and we'll obviously get to Athen's
quiet point. I guess we will get to some observations
over the course of camp, some of the differing opinions
you and I have on what we're watching out here.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
And that's okay.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
In the end, Ben has been a little less impressed
with bon Nix and I have been more impressed. Once again,
I being a glass half full kind of individual, I
tend to see things a little bit from the optimus side.
And Ben listens to the Cure twenty four to seven
and is in his feelings in the dark most of
his life.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I wish I was feeling a better performance from Bonnicks
and then we wouldn't have to have this problem.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
So again, you're being hyperbat like you you.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Every time you try to I'm gonna turn the phrase
on you.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
It's as though if you've been preparing.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I sat in front of a mirror last night for
two hours prepping for for Ryan Edwards quips.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Well, listen, I'll have to just get more creative. That's
that's really what it comes down.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
It'd be nice for ones. Oh okay, all right, two
guys out here I've seen without pads so far, Roddy
Perkins and Zach Allen. Allen was on a veteran rest
day yesterday, so interesting that he doesn't have pads on
right now. Nick Benito also, yeah, I well, as I say,
I'm trying, I haven't seen them all. I'm just trying
to go through and pick out the ones that I
have seen so far. So Benito was expected, Zach Allen
(06:33):
was not. I was expecting them to be out here
in past today.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So is Sean and he said as much on the
first yesterday you co coach Peyton said as much yesterday.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
You'll be like this all day, huh.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I mean you you've really been taking it on Twitter
last few days.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
And how do you feel about all that?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I mean the fact that that you're the only one,
the only media member and again I use that term
very loosely, because the way you're us right now, it
looks like you're ready to go to the gym, but
the only media member out here that that disagrees on
how Bonix looks well in in debate.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
That would be what's called an informal logical fallacy of
argument of mad popular before you appeal to the audience
rather than the that is actually happening. All right, Archer
read a book. You know, you know, other media members
can have there. And I use that term loosely because
you all look like you're about to go to a
Bruce Springsteen concert. But I think, don't you care merse
the boss? But I think I think different perspective beauties
(07:30):
in the id beholder right, And I think a lot
of you guys grew up Broncos fans. I think you're
you're a lot more. You know, you want Bonix to
be the guy right now, And it's not that I don't.
It's just that i'm you know, I'm ambivalent, and I
look at this and I'm like, when he takes the job,
then he takes the job. And I'm sure that he will.
He'll be at the starter at some point this year,
whether that's Week one, we gave whatever, he will be
(07:51):
the starter of this year at some point. The question
is when he gets there. And I'm not an advocate
of putting a quarterback out there just to put him
out there. You know, once he's got everything down, then
you put him out there once he's fully prepared, because
you don't want a situation where you put him out
there two or three games. You're like Okay, I see
this is too fast for him. We need to put
we need to rain this back. You don't want to
do that and pull him off, and then you're taking
away confidence that the position is so confidence dependent that
(08:14):
you know, I tend to want to bring them along
a little bit slower, and I'm looking at him nitpicking
things that maybe other people don't need to take.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
But I feel like we've seen, if nothing else, his
confidence grow over the last week.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
We've seen a base core competency and his confidence build
day by day. I don't think he's at the point
where I would declare him the starter yet, but it's
the trajectory is clearly there. It's just a question when
he gets there. And I'm not going to jump the
gun to be the first person who annoy him the
starter or whatever. I may be the last guy too
annoy him the starter. Who knows? But I see things
to like there was that square end yesterday during teams.
(08:48):
That was to Sutton when he was on Pats or
Tawn's a great throw. I said as much to you
right there at the time, you know, but I noticed
that in two minute drill. The reason that I have
a complain about thinking and dunky, which I don't really
have a complain about, but is you create a situation
where your margins are thinner if you're using smaller chunks
to get down there, and you get down there, it'll
(09:08):
field goal with six seconds left. There is a good
in that, and I'll get to that a second, but
the reality is you're creating smaller margins to get down there,
and if anything goes wrong then you might have screwed
yourself out of points right Whereas Jared Stidham took the
chunk play early, got down there and then he got
bogged down and then they had to settle for the
field goal. But your margins are wider that way. The
one thing I will say about doing that and eating
up the entire clock by doing that, is that exactly
(09:30):
that you eat up the clock by doing that, and
now all of a sudden you don't give your opponent
a chance to get another possession out of.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
It fair just and again not intentionally for argument's sake,
but I will say one that's the first time we've
seen so far in training camp they've run that drill.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
It's also the first time either one of those guys
has been in that boat because Steadham is usually the
conservative dank and dunk guy and bow is usually a
bit more aggressive. No, and his aggressive throw was out
of bounds the sudden play at the pylon or whatever.
So it's not that you didn't take a chance, but
it was just kind of interesting to see sort of
an opposite dynamic each one. Well, he took.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
He took what the defense was giving him, right, which
actually in a lot of ways that you kind of
appreciate that he didn't.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
He didn't seem desperate in the two minute drills.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
I'm not knocking the fact that he did that. I'm
just saying, like, if you're juxtaposing the two, here's my
complaint on that in the two Yeah, I understand where
you're coming from. I really do.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
And I don't want to spend I don't want to
get into the weeds on semantics conversations. I'm just trying
to point out this is the first time we they've
actually run that drill so far in training camp, and
both quarterbacks did drive the team into field goal range.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
You're right, there was. The result was great for both.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, there was more time left on the clock with
Jared Stidham's drive, but we don't know what's going to
happen with the rest of that. Maybe they ended up
fumbling it inside the five, which by the wrong way.
The pro coost have had some times they don't.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Just not here anymore. Ride, he can't hurt you anymore.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I still feel it in my bones though.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Nolan can't hurt you anymore. But but do you understand
me where on the field he fumbled the ball?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
But then say, let's just say let's miss the field
goal in in that drive and then all of a
sudden there's a minute left for the other team to
drive back down to your point the thing that you
just pointed out. So again, I don't think bon Nicks
went into the drive or Sean Payton win the drive
thinking let's milk this clock. I think you try to
find as we've been watching football or whole lives, you
try to find a balance with that and you're thinking, hey,
(11:13):
we want to be the ones in this half with
the ball. And it was a halftime drill, right, It
wasn't end of game. They were down by six, but
it was a halftime drill where you just try to
get points and you're trying to run clock because you
don't want you to give the ball back to your opponent.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Right, And I don't want to say because I don't
think the process was designed for one to be aggressive
and one to be I think it just happened that way, yes,
But I found that fascinating given the sort of reputation
of each of the two. Where Stidham has been sort
of you know, Teddy bridgewatersh and just sort of taking
what the team gave him, then he actually he made
a play in there in that so I was excited
(11:47):
to see that. You know, in the end, I know
people aren't excited to hear me talking and pumping up
Jared Stidham, but when a guy does good, it's important
to note that he does good, whether that be bon Nicks,
whether that be Jared Sipp, whether it be Zach Wilson.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Well, let me point something out just on that conversation,
at least from my perspective, This doesn't have to be yours,
doesn't have to be anybody else's. But you know, you
made a point earlier saying that some of us grew
up Broncos fans that are now covering the team as media,
and there's a framing there.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
You did there I'm not saying there's bias. I'm just
saying you guys are more excited about the young guy,
whereas I don't really care.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I think that we're excited about the story. Like you
don't have to say i'd be a Broncos fan. And
I mean I am like unapologetically, and I mean because
I'm broadcasting on the station of the team, I feel
like it's appropriate for me to do that. I'm I'm
going to acknowledge there are times when I am a
little bit more of subjective my opinion than objective. But
in this case, the way I'm viewing it is more
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I'm excited about the story. And then the other thing
is is I look at trajectory. You just talked about trajectory.
This is where I'm coming from. Doesn't have to be
your opinion. I see bon Nicks on an upward trajectory
at least from his confidence, from his understanding of the offense,
from the way that he is operating at the line
in the pocket. Those are things I feel like he's
(13:01):
stepping forward in right now. Jared Stidham has relatively been.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Consistent the whole way through. He's just been steady. It's
the whole way through.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
So I'm just saying, if we just look at it
plainly rather than a this guy is clearly winning the job.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
This guy isn't.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I don't. I don't even look at it in terms
of that.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I'm saying, I like the trajectory bow is on right now,
which is an upward one, and Stidham has just remained
consistent all the way through. That doesn't make it a negative,
but sometimes I think those things can be viewed as
a negative.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I would say that's very fair, all the bit bantered
snark aside, Like we both want the Broncos to be successful, right,
and I'm saying that I would agree with that. I
would say that Jared Stidham has started up here and
been steady the way across, and I would say Boennicks is,
you know, But I would say those lines have not
inter sected yet. I would say Jared Sidham is still
above bow Nicks if we were starting the season today, right.
And so that's that's really where we're coming. We're two
(13:51):
sides of the same coin. We're saying the same thing,
We're just saying it in different ways. We both believe
Bonnicks will eventually be the starter. I think you're just
a bit more bullish. That'll be a little sooner than
perhaps I do.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Okay, and and and it's fine. You're from the show
me state and you want to see a little bit more.
And I at this point, I'm in the mindset of
what gives the Broncos the best chance to dig out
of this seven plus year run of mediocrity, if not
below right of being a team that is has missed
(14:22):
the postseason. Jared Stidham doesn't do that for me, does
I don't think he does that for almost any NFL
team at a sixty two Madden rating.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
But meanwhile, Bone Nicks still he's the mystery box.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
He still has a lot in front of him, and
we don't really know what he's ultimately gonna be.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, for a minute there, I think you said the
Shoneese State, and I was like, oh, breakfast, But he
said the show me State.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
You're not that clever. No, don't, don't, don't try that hard.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
I was a little hungry. You've already eat goodly. You hate,
like mc groy boy, mostly in this section.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
You hate the calories of like all of us in
the tent.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I have a hypermetabolism. Is that what it is?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Where I have to imagine believe with that. I just
believe it that.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Oh my god, you said it with the sincerity of
your face.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
And then and then you cracked it cracked.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I thought I had the dead pen going, but I cracked.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
All Right, couple of text coming.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Get you're on the KA Common Spirit Health text line. Uh,
here's another point. If yours didn't win the competition, it
is a loss for the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
The best disagree.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Well, let me just finish this real quick. The best
win for the Broncos is the multi year success for Bonix.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I agree, But this year is about building a foundation.
So jared'st did him winning the competition isn't really him
winning the competition, It's just the benchmark. Thatt Bow wasn't
ready by that game. I agree. We we agree on
that as long as Bau is ready by whatever point
in this season, which is a build year.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, and it's okay. If bo isn't ready this year,
then that's a loss that is lost. No, we're we're
on the same page about that.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
All right.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Let's head out to the KA Common Spirit Health hotline
and bring on Brandon Christall live from Canton, Ohio. Again,
they're gonna a little bit of a weather delay. We'll
get the update from BK Quarterback Opinion and oh yeah,
I'm sure it's it's better than mine. We have several
texts still coming in. We'll get to more of your
questions on the text line five six six nine zero
b K.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Thanks for joining us, man, How are you good?
Speaker 4 (16:05):
A couple of things, because I heard y'all talking Madden ratings,
and obviously we know the Madden ratings adjuster ninety five
on Patzer ten is too low, and I'm sure y'all
have reached out. I texted him and.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
He's like, yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
There'd be a lot of dialogue. No, And I sent
him a clip from that Netflix Receiver show where Devonte
Adam justin Jefferson, those guys are all calling ps to
the number one corner in the league. It feels like
ninety eight is about as low as his ratings should
be right now, but ninety five is too low. So
and yeah, I think you do have a pretty good metabolism.
And I used to have one, but I started having kids, so.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I used to have one and I turned forty, so
it's you know, the mid section is vot. I used
to have a six pag.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Now I got the whole keg by kay, what what's
the latest with the weather or delay?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
So I'm actually in a room when I sent you
all a picture, not really supposed to post anything from here,
so it's just for private consumption, I'll tell you. With
most of the Hall of Famers, the new class is
actually another room with their family and their presenters. In
this case for Randy Grata Shark, Tom Jackson, and I
posted a video on our KOA account. Got to hang
out with those guys at the parade today and walk
the whole parade route with him and then talk to
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TJ for a while after. And so they're in another room.
But I mean, we had end of day's kind of
rain here for about an hour. It's calmed down. There's
some more coming a little later. What I was told
is that they're gonna get going here in just a
little bit. They're not going to introduce all the Hall
of Famers. Those guys are just gonna appear on stage
after a commercial break on the TV broadcast, and they're
gonna jump into the speeches. And so as we're closing
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in on twelve thirty here Eastern time, ten thirty back there.
They obviously want to get it going. We know Randy's
gonna be third, you know, thought his speech would be here.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
In just a little bit.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Obviously it'll still be third, so they haven't given an
exact time. But Peyton Manning did make it in after
returning from Paris, so Peyton's here. Haven't seen number seven yet,
but won't be surprised if he shows up at some
point or later. And there's over one hundred Hall of
Famers that have come back for this shrinement this year
for you know, really, I can't say whatever reason they have,
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their reasons or a reason to come back, or we're
excited for the class, but it's the most they've ever
had back any for any enshrinement. Is over one hundred
Hall of famers, and most of them last night were
the Gould Jacket dinner, which is really cool.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
B Kay.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
We were talking to him just a moment about the quarterbacks,
and I'd love to know, because you've been out here
every day except for yesterday when you were traveling, what
have you noticed about bo Knicks? Do you agree that
he's ascending as far as his understanding competency with the offense.
Where do you view the quarterback battle right now?
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Yeah, I think you know, for all of Ben's criticisms
about you or me Ryan are about you specifically, Like
I agree with you about where the quarterbacks are. You
and I talked about this the other day. I think
Ben's going to be on the wrong side of history
on this one, not just by whose name starter for
the opener against Seattle, but you're starting to see a
kid who he's not short on confidence. But and bo
Nicks has likely been a starter's entire license he started
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playing football, including when he got to Auburn obviously when
he got to Oregon. He's one quarterback battles, but kind
of all he knows. I think it's just about comfort
level with his teammates, comfort level in the offense. And
you knew he was going to pick the you know,
the basics of the offense up. It's just about going
out and then really trying to execute what Sean Payton
wants executed. In every day that he does, He's going
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to be more and more comfortable, and so I think
he's going to to say win the job right the
way Dave Dave puts it the best is, you know,
Nix's gonna have to show he can't he's not going
to lose the job or he can't do the job,
and he hasn't shown that yet. Yeah, he shows an
interception in seven on seven or inner teams here. That happens, right,
everybody throws an interception. Tom Brady threw interceptions in the practice.
Peyton Manning, did you want your quarterbacks to throw interceptions?
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And in a you know, in the modern era and
in competitions, these guys are so nervous that they don't
want to do anything wrong because we're grading every single
throw in every period, and so I think that that
that's in the back of our minds, you know, as
actually have We're having this conversation before the parade Jerry
Koupe actually because of Andre Johnson and Randy as well,
and k just saying that, you know, so many quarterbacks
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are scared to make a mistake, and so I just
think you're seeing Bow getting more comfortable. We still don't
know what the ceiling is. If the ceiling is Derek Carr,
that's uninspiring, I think to some degree. But that's still
a guy that's a starter for a lot of years.
If the ceiling is Drew Brees, then we'll see bow
Nicks in the same room as Steve Atwater's two feet
from me.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
You guys want to have.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
To see always.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Sure, say hi to Ryan and Ben. They're alive on
the air.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
What what up?
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Ryan and Ben?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
How are you?
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Man?
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Oh man, we're doing well, doing well. Man. We're here,
all the gold jackets in here, just relaxing, waiting on
the weather to clear up.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
That's that's really good to hear, Steve. How's Canton treating you?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Canton has treated me well.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I was.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
He's having a great time catched up with the guys.
And of course, uh you know seeing Randy, uh the
happiness on his face getting his gold jacket yesterday, that
was awesome and uh yeah, he's having a great time.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I was gonna put that out the the Broncos social
has a picture you with Randy there and in his
face is just lit up like it's Christmas.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, man, this he's waited a long
time for this, and you know, I know he'll finally
relax tomorrow after he finished I'm sorry today, after he
finishes his speech.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Well, yeah, how special? How special was that last night?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I mean, or was that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
It was last Was it the last night when you
guys did the jacket ceremony?
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Yeah, it was. It was extremely special. And you know,
especially like walking down the gauntlet and it's kind of
your uh, it feels like your initiation. You know, you're
in man, and you know everybody's welcoming you're in, patting
you on the bag, saying congratulations, and you know, just
you know, reminiscing over all the plays that that he's made,
and uh, it's just it's a great time. It's a
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great time.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Yesterday.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Very cool. We'll let you go with this, Steve.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
See if you can get Randy or Tom to get
a dead tone or seventy five reference in during the
speech that I think that would be very good for.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Yeah, I think he's gonna come out listen to passwork blue.
But you know.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
You're the best.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Do you appreciate you?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Bro? Alright?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Bro? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
All right?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Later, Steve Atwater made a movie. You don't know if
everybody knows that Steve Outwater.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Made a movie. Wasn't Kyle Turley in that movie? To
Kyle Turley was the villain in the movie.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
You know a little. In fact, b K, do we
still have you?
Speaker 4 (22:22):
I mean the patchwork blue line. I'm going to even
drab my phone the mic drout moments he's actually talking
to Peyton right now, because I just happened to post
up in the corner by the by where the snacks are,
and then Steve walked over. But yeah, it's kind of
the finished quarterback thing bo Nicks. I don't know if
he's running when he work of the year, but if
he starts weak one, I certainly like betting the over
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on twenty eight fifty on the yardage yes' one hundred
and sixty seven yards a game. I think you're gonna
need a lot from him because I think Shawn's gonna
hold his hand and we're going to see them run
the ball and run the ball and run the ball
and then take shots. But he is going to need
to take those shots, right. The criticism about the swinging
the ball out in the work and offense, well, if
that's what makes sense, but you get it to your
playmakers in space that works too. So I'm not ready
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to give bo Nicks one of these gold jackets, or
in this case, they're all wearing gold Polos today. But
it sure would be fun to have a third Hall
of Fame quarterback that wears orange and blue, whether it's
throwback or otherwise. And so I think he's gonna win
the job because it's the competition set up for him
to win it, right, There's I just don't see there's
gonna be enough opportunity in games. That's the one thing
Coop said to me too, was you can't you can't
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create a true competition because then you're gonna endup having
to play your all your starters to make it fair
in a game. And you're not gonna play starters three
quarters in three straight preseason games just to get a
better look at the quarterback. So I think it's gonna
ultimately below Nickson. And kind of to your point, Ryan
right before you brought me on, you know, if your
best case scenario is him being the starter for a
couple of years, then you you know, and then we
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can go beyond that. I think it's a good thing
and starting Jared, I understand that might give you a
better chance against the Seahawks, but I don't know if
it's gonna give you. There's not a big enough gap
for me to say, oh, Jared starting now, they're gonna win.
We saw Jared start those two games at the end
of the year last year. I realized they weren't playing
for anything. But there's just nothing inspiring about it. I
think Jared will be a solid backup. He's kind of
Chase Daniel two point zero and the hope is that
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but Nick can be Drew Brees two point oh. And
if he's not, then we're probably back here talking about
a quarterback in the next couple of years.
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Speaker 1 (26:23):
All right, Rick, what are you noticing now here?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Men?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
You were out here yesterday and now you've been out
here again today.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
What have you noticed so far?
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Some general takeaways from practice?
Speaker 6 (26:31):
You know what's really cool to get this close to
the action. And I highly recommend all Broncos fans listening
if you get a chance to come to training camp.
This is a rare opportunity to get this close to
National Football League players. And we are about ten yards
away from the wide receivers and running backs and quarterbacks
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right now. And one thing you notice right away is
just the incredible athletic bodies these guys have. Man Like
Courtland Sutton is up, free, big, fast, strong, and you
do notice that right away. You know, for regular people
to see these types of athletes this close is pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I was worried they were gonna be intimidated by Ryan
Edward's new physique being this close to him, But they
don't appear to be thus far. What's the new physique
trimmed up? Okay, my man's lost some weight over here
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yeah, if I turned sideways, they don't even see me.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Familiar with that problem, you know what.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
The other thing the last couple of days, you know,
and I talked to you guys about this going into
probably about the last three four days. I was leaning
towards Jarrett Stidham probably being starter week one, maybe Zach Wilson,
just because of the gauntlet that they have to run
those first four games. But it's starting to look like
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it's gonna be Bo Nicks number ten. He just he's
picking this up. I think really fast. This guy's not
your typical rookie quarterback with all the experience he had
a college. I mean, this guy is already looking off
safeties and changing the protection at the line of scrimmage.
You do not see that from too many rookie quarterbacks.
In fact, I can't recall that since my run here
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covering the Broncos since paid Manning, you just don't see
that in camp.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Preach, preach, Ben, Did you hear all that from the
color analysts of the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I mean, I don't know if that sways you.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Because Ben, what's Ben?
Speaker 6 (28:24):
What are you saying? Ben? Well?
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Ben?
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Ben is not impressed.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
He's said multiple times how unimpressed he's been with bon Nick.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
So is that the word I is?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
You said wasn't great?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I said it wasn't great the one day here. He
wasn't great That one day through through an interception and
two balls that hit defenders in the hands, that's that
great day.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I think he's measuring him to Peyton Manning.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
He's saying, well, if I don't see the actual reincarnated
Drew Brees Peyton Manning out here, then it's just not
that great.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
What's what's even the point? I don't Yeah, I mean
I've said the same thing. I think it's Bonex's job. Eventually.
The question is when does he win it here in
training camp? Does he win it by week eight whatever?
And I think you don't put him out there before
he's ready. That's that's just my take on that. You
don't want a situation where you put him out there
and you know, we we've talked about comparison to Derek Carr,
but you don't want to David car him where you
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put it like the Houston Texas just made him the
guy that put him out there and he wasn't ready
and we've seen that, We've seen quarterbacks implode from not
being ready. In fact, there's a great example that already
in the roster and Zach Wilson putting a guy out
there that's and you see they course sort of become
a shell of themselves. So you know, that's my one concern.
If this is the guy for the future, let's make
sure he's ready. If he's ready, more power to it.
And then starting week one, I just my concern is
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you got a rookie quarterback on the road in the
loudest stadium in the NFL in Seattle, Like, is that
really the direction that you know you want to go
if you're not one hundred percent confident.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
I don't disagree with that. In fact, I'm okay if
they start still.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Money beyond and then you know, you come here to Denver,
you get Russ coming back. Now we're bringing out our
replacement for Russ and bo what what you know what
a storyline?
Speaker 6 (29:51):
No, I'm okay with that because I want the quarterback
that has the best chance of winning football games to play,
and we heard Sean Payton say that that will be
the case. Now that being said, I think Boone Knicks
has made faster progress than most rookie quarterbacks. I agree
with that, and more than I expected. And I think
by the time we get to probably the third preseason game,
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we're gonna know that he's the guy. And it's starting
to feel like he's the guy to me, and that's
been a change for me. But if they start Stidham
or or or Wilson, I'm I'm totally fine with that
because I want to win football games.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Well, if they start Wilson, I think he would have
had to have had some significant leaps that he has
not had thus far. But but I'm with you in
sentiment like, that's that's the thing.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
What about Wilson being QB two.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I haven't seen anything out here that indicates that he's
ready to be a starter for this.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
You'd rather have stood him. I want you want them
to keep three.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Quarterbacks, then I would rather have the guy that uh
uh and it looked like a big defense made a
play there.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Well, it looks like the special teams are they okay?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah? Oh they get the right caps on? Yep, you
see it? Okay, I just saw the the orange jersey.
What defensive play just got made? R and see a
quarterback out there? Yeah? Yeah, I mean, I just I
want a situation where the best guy to win football
games because covering this team, covering a winning football team
is so much more fun, as we saw during the
winning streak last year, you know, covering this this team
(31:15):
and to win so much, so much more fun. This
is a set the table year for the never Broncos, right.
I don't think anybody outside of perhaps Ryan and maybe
Mile High Profit in Steve Atwater thinks that the Broncos
are going undefeated and winning a Super Bowl. But I
think that if you you know, what we're doing here
is setting the table for a three to four year
run with bon Nicks on his rookie deal in a
fifth year option after that, to try to do that
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in the coming years. That's what we're trying to do here.
And so this year is about setting the table for
that maybe not quite eating the meal. And I feel
like that you want to make sure that everything's prepared.
You don't pull a turkey out of the oven wh
it's three quarters done, just because you're hungry.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
But two Rick's.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Point, and I think this is an important one, is
we get sort of a piece of the puzzle out here.
So what they think about Zach Wilson may be a
little bit different than what we think about Isak Wilson.
We're watching practices out here. He seemingly is abuild pretty
far behind. No, I understand that, But understanding we all
know that the raw talent is there. We know Sean
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Payton has spoken multiple times about players that he doesn't
want to let outside of the building because he knows
he can't get them back. And Zach Wilson might end
up being one of those kuys of guys. I'm not
saying he will be. I know that you tend to
think that most stuff that is overblown as far as players,
you have to release it the fifty three cut down
and can't get back. Fine, But quarterbacks are a little
bit different. And this guy was selected second overall just
a few years ago. So whether they keep three quarterbacks
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on the roster or they keep two. I don't think
it's over for Zach. And the reason I say that
very quickly. The reason I say that is because they
keep giving him opportunities with the two is they don't
just they haven't just buried him in the third with
the third team and it's over.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I think they'll keep him, And I think it speaks
to what Sean Payton is trying to do. You know,
he's very legacy cognizant, you know, and he understands he's
not making the all famous he wins the super Bowl
here with the Denver Broncos. He's got too much you know,
he's got too much red in the Ledger on the
other side, and only won Super Bowl when you got
guys like Aflin, Shanahan Seffert that haven't made the super
Bowl and had made the Hall of Fame with multiple
Super Bowls. So he's gonna have to do something no
other the coach has ever done. When a Super Bowl
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with two different teams that said, you know what, if
you turn Zack Wilson around, you keep him here and
you turn that guy around, Well, now all of a sudden,
you've got that Andy Reid kind of I'm a quarterback developer,
legacy thing going on as well, to add to the
pile to make that Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Yeah, Zach Wilson obviously a rebuild the project, but he's
a rebuild project with a really big upside, let's face it,
a bigger upside than Jared Stidham has. That's why maybe
if you're going to keep two quarterbacks, you do keep
Zach Wilson. And I believe I don't know how much
money they could save.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
They're almost stuff almost four million.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
So four million bucks if you let Stidham go.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
I love the upside of Zach Wilson, and as Benja said,
it would be a great story for both of them,
for Wilson and Sean Payton. So I have a feeling
I don't know if they'll keep three. And you're not
gonna be able to sneak one of any one of
those guys under the practice squad.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
So no, I think they keep all three. Though I do,
I just haven't really kindly they keep all three.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Interesting, I mean we don't see that.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
I mean I know that you have the opportunity to
call a guy up as an emergency quarterback now with
the new rule in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
But that but that's not what this is talking about.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
This is talking about giving the guys an actual three
quarterbacks on the fifty three minute roster. As we've begun
our scrimmage out here. It's good to see Ghara Bowles
back out there, by the way, because he wasn't available
for the two minute yesterday. But yeah, this is gonna
be sort of fascinating today. It's gonna be I think
a little bit of a fun day, I think, an
opportunity to see the team's sort of scrimmage. Now, Rick,
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we're talking about it just the beginning, see Ross talking
about just at the beginning that we kind of miss
the scrimmages ut mile High, right. They've been doing They
did that for years and it hasn't been since the
last two years. Sean has said, now we're just gonna
go ahead and keep doing it out here instead of
going to the stadium.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Do you agree?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Do you miss that?
Speaker 6 (34:56):
Yeah? And it's a good thing for the fans to
be I think because more fans can go ye and
watch at empower Field. And they say that attendance is
up this year like forty talk to Demanti Leach last year.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
That's cool.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
Actually yesterday he said from year to year, it's up
forty percent. Now when you look over there today, oh,
it's uh, there's quite a quite a few spaces there
on the hill.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
When you say it sort of fades you go right
to the left.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
I'm kind of surprised because it's a Saturday, but it
has been really really hot and maybe people just kind
of had it with the heat.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
I mean, I'm a half full bends a half empty sod.
Speaker 6 (35:35):
That's that is half full.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Some natural there's always you know, hope springs kind of thing, right,
I mean, that's that's where we're at with the Broncos.
There's a belief, a hope that through Sean Payton, this
is going to be a competitive football team, and I
do believe they will be certainly the four and a
half five and a half number that's out there. None
of us really believe that they're going to be that
kind of team. But there's excitement about the rookie and
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to the point that Ben has been making several times
about why he thinks Jared's Sidham is probably still in
the lead.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
By the way of starting with the ones, today you.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Notice no, well doubt this is his turn. That's not
that it's his it's his turn.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
You see.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
This is what scrivage you and your engagement farming nonsense.
You do this like you're like, hey, here's running with
the ones. He's running with the ones because bo Nicks
ran with the ones yesterday. The scottage screaming, you're exhausting anyways,
point being, you can hear it rick from the crowd.
Every time bo Nicks does something. There is an energy,
there's there's enthusiasm. They're out here to see bow. They're
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out here to see the rookie do something. And that's
no direct defense to Jared's didim It just was what
it is.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
Yeah, anytime you draft to a quarterback high in the
first round, it's going to generate a lot of fan excitement,
which has happened here with a bow Nicks. It raises
the optimism level up, even after they've had what seven
straight losing seasons. Uh, this is a really loyal fan base,
you know, and they're ready to start winning football games.
(37:02):
They were ready last year. They had a pretty good
year last year. They won eight games. They were competitive
all the way down the stretch and I think on paper,
this is a better football team. Now that's on paper. Yeah,
you know, a lot of things have to happen once
we start playing football games. But I think they have
a chance to maybe even win more than eight games
this year, depending on quarterback play, which is the big
(37:24):
question mark. I don't get the five and a half. Yeah,
I'm over under in Vegas at all.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
That seems like a mortal lock for the over Just
watching a play here a minute ago is sort of
an end around there. Marvin Mims just fell down. He
slipped back there, not getting getting much trash. I think
it was looked nice pass, absolutely hit a guy. Gonna
be a giant play there for Tim Patrick. Now wait, no,
it's Josh Reynolds. I'm sorry, it's Josh Reynolds.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Started in breaking, maybe slant.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I couldn't tell fro him over here, but it was
an inbreaking route that he took over the middle and
took up field.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Josh Reyelds has been so good. He has been such
a drop drop issues.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
But but he'sa when he catches the ball's and he's
getting open.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Oh yeah, but I mean his drop is is that
most of them have been sort of in drills. He
has had a ton of drops that I remember during
the course of team practices, even seven and seven. I
feel like he's been rock solid. And you, as a
Detroit Lions fan, a lifelong Detroit Lions fan, what did
you think about that signing of Josh Reynolds in the
off season.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
I think it's a great addition to the wide receiver room.
I think the wide receiver room it's got a lot
of depth that definitely better than they were last year,
even losing Jerry Judy, especially if Tim Patrick stays healthy
Tim Patrick, and that's a big if because it's been
two seasons in a row. They just missed the entire year.
If Patrick is healthy and his plays as well as
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he did before his injuries, you have something there in
that wide receiver room. I love the fact that Corton
Sutton is back this year. Josh Reynolds solid NFL veteran player.
He provides that veteran experience in the locker room as well.
You can already see that here. Oh yeah, in trendy
camp from him. The young guys, Troy Franklin, Vley watching
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Veley out here too. Guy's twenty six years old.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
He looks mature. Uh and he you know, at first
you think it's Tim Patrick got there wearing his old number,
wearing his old number, and they look almost like the
exact same player. I'm interested to see him. What's preseason
game start up next week?
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Bow started out hitting his first pass on a simple outroute.
Then he scrambled and and did not connect on the
second place. So they got the second They got the
other unit out here now by the way.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
One thing that I will say that I'm a little
concerned about is the drop.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
All what a pass from Bow?
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Oh beautiful the Stills Stills went up and got I
mean again he I know Ben'll probably nitpick and say
that he could have hit him in stride, but either way,
I mean, he put it in a spot that Stills
went up and got it in probably a fifteen twenty
yard game.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
He identified the open man, put the ball little high,
but you know, identified the anyways.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Like I said, nitpick, couldn't help it.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
You can't help it.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
He's just trying to help the enthusiasm. Never throw high
over the village, That's all he's trying to do.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
There was nobody around him.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
You don't never throw eye over the middle anyways.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
So, but one thing that I had that I am
a little bit concerned about is our depth an offensive
line because with Quinn out now for the season, With
Quinn out for the season, you see the drop Bailey,
I should say, hey, yeah, Quinn Bailey, Right, you see
the drop off. I mean, I don't know Ben if
you noticed the same thing, but you've seen the drop
off with a second and third team offensive line and
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a guy like Frank Crumb that everybody was excited about
because they gave him a lot of money as an
undrafted free agent. He is so so developmental right now
on the third team.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
He was developed. He was drafted in the first round
of the USFL here recently. I would not be surprised
to see him playing spring league ball next year and
just an effort to get him some more repsult.
Speaker 6 (40:40):
You're right, they have to stay healthy like they did
last year. They were healthy last year.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (40:45):
And I love the fact that all those guys are
back this year other than Cush, which will benefit the
entire offensive line, same coaching staff. But you gotta stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
By the way, Marvin Mims just caught a pass from
Bo Nix and that you know again he's he had
a moment yesterday where he slammed his helmet.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
He frustrated.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, yeah, he said some frustrated moments. And I don't
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Getting two worked up about that.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
But we know that he had high expectations coming into
this year, not only from himself but also from the
coaching staff. They've said multiple times, hey, we moved Jerry
Judy out of here to put Marvin Mims in.
Speaker 6 (41:19):
Well, we had high expectations last year two and he
got off to that great start, and they just you know,
from week to week in the pregame, we would go, hey,
you know, when they get Marvin Mims a little more
involved in the in the offense, and they never did. Now,
they obviously know more than we know about how he
looks in practice and what his limitations are. But obviously
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last year they didn't feel comfortable. So there's something that
they must be working on with his game. But this
year seems like this could be a breakout year for
him if they trust him.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
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Speaker 3 (42:04):
It'd be an interesting Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Someone would claim him. Absolutely, There's no way you don't
in this league. You don't let competent quarterback play, even
if you don't think he's That was too far out
in front, about about three yards.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
If it's an overthrow, it's probably Zach Wilson.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Did they swap Zack out?
Speaker 6 (42:21):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Zackson there now?
Speaker 1 (42:23):
And that was the I believe it was the six Yeah, no,
there was six sixteen. Sorry, yeah, Troy Franklin, Yeah, Troy
couldn't quite get there, but two three yards out in
front of him.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah, but that that's, unfortunately for Zach Wilson, pretty consistent.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
But yes, I mean I think Rick back to Stidham.
Speaker 6 (42:39):
You know, at five million bucks a year for QB.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Too, Yeah, that's that's best chump change for a backup quarterback.
Speaker 6 (42:44):
That's great value right there.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah, you know, plus I think the mentorship. He's been
around the league long enough. You know, he's roughly the
same age as these guys, but he's been around the
league long enough that I think you can there's there's
value to having someone with that sort of having been
in that many training camps and done things the better way,
because if not, then your mentorship at your QB room
suddenly becomes Zach Wilson, who is the guy who has
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kind of struggled to get it, and Bo Nick's a rookie,
and I just don't think you have a QB room
that looks that way.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Another text, Ryan rick Lewis is entering season number eight
as the Broncos radio color analyst, and he has been phenomenal.
I agree, Well, thank you very much, Brian, thank you
tex Hey be nice to Ben. I don't know who's
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nice as we can us absolutely be to Ben.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
I would be uncomfortable if you suddenly started being nice
to me.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Weird, weird, like what do you want?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yeah, I'm not giving you any money. I'm I'm not
buying amway from you.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Ryan, your bickering act is not entertaining.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
I disagree. I think we're hilarious.
Speaker 6 (43:46):
Over the middle throw there to estimate, Yep, we just
ran into I don't know if it's a safety or
a linebacker, but he dropped a hammer on the guy.
I was standing next to him over here too, on
the sideline. That dude, I've made five eleven, two hundred
and thirty pounds, probably built load of the ground. He's
all muscle.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
You see him and you instantly think running back.
Speaker 6 (44:06):
He's only twenty years old. He's only gonna get thicker
and stronger. I couldn't believe he's twenty years old. Man,
this dude, I'm real excited about having him in the backfield.
He's a bigger version of Javante.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Doesn't have that third gear, but he man, he's powerful, low,
low to the ground. H Yeah, reminds you, like, what
was it the old quote that Jeff Fisher used to
say about Zach Stacey's a bowling ball with knives sticking
out of it.
Speaker 6 (44:29):
That's a good one. That's a good one. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Well, and you can sort of see what the future
of the running back room is likely going to look like.
I mean, this year, Javante is certainly on the team,
despite some reports that were out there that he was
on the bubble, He's definitely gonna be on the team.
Somaji might be more of the odd man out than anything.
I agree with Ben on that take, but you could
sort of see like, hey, by next year, dric estimate
might be your starting you know, first and second down
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running back. You got Julim McLoughlin as a guy that
has good hands out of the backfield, and then Lake Watson,
who they're very very high ion will be also in
the mix like that, And and those guys all might,
especially the sort of scatbacks might be mixed in.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
And the kick return too.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
So Zach Wilson at Thomas Yasman on the sideline there
and Yasmin put a nasty, stiff arm on whoever that
defend was nice.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Yeah, he's had it. He's gonna have a tough time
making this roster.
Speaker 6 (45:16):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
This is nice to It was nice to see, you know. Yeah,
a real football player Rugby. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (45:23):
Yeah, I think we the earth. I think we can
all agree. On the offensive side of the ball, they
they have more weapons on paper, they look like they
have playmakers. Now they have to come through obviously. That's
what they really missed last year and something we talked
about every week. Man, they just don't have playmakers. Well,
this looks like they all have the potential. Now they
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have to live up to it. Marvin Mims is one
of those guys obviously.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Got to go from potential energy to kinetic energy.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
But that's the point, right, I Mean, it looks like
they have more weapons, but it's all potential. And they've
been that for years, I mean so many years, even
when they brought in Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Right before that, we sat here and said, but they
feel like they're a.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Quarterback away with Jerry Judy, Tim Patrick and Courtland Sutton
as your top three receivers.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
And remember right before the trade for Russell Wilson the season.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Before they paid court they paid Tim because they knew
that they'd sort of solidified what the offense should look like.
Right they drafted Javonte It all looked like it was
coming together. You just needed a very good, if not
decent quarterback to sort of to direct all of it.
You brought in Russ and unfortunately didn't work out, especially
with Nathaniel Hackett, just ended up being a bad mix.
Now you're resetting with a rookie quarterback most likely. But
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to your point, Rick, we are still at least with
the skill positions, talking about potential, and you need some
of those potential players to become what they're supposed to be,
and until that happens, the projection for this team is
going to remain low.
Speaker 6 (46:45):
And a lot of that. Once again, it goes back
to injuries. You have to stay healthy Greg Dolsic, who
looks great out there. If he's healthy, that alone is
really going to upgrade the offensive side of the ball.
They have had any production from the title position. It
seems like forever and Dulsage can be that guy. And
if Davante's back to the old Javante. There's two things
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right there. If those guys can stay healthy, Tim Patrick
stays healthy, you've really upgraded the playmakers on offense. Just
that alone.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
Yeah, and that's that's gonna be a big part of it.
The big if there is if Dulcige can stay healthy.
It's never been about the talent, the athleticism or any
of that kind of stuff. And he's a he's a
big guy that's fast to you see him running like
a big guy should move that fast. The question is
whether or not he can stay healthy, and and that
is the question. Every time you see him catch a pass,
there's a there's an instant and then.
Speaker 6 (47:35):
Not just catch a pass, even on a route I'm right,
oh man, don't hurt your hamstring.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Right yeah, popstickle sticks and twine holding that thing together
at this point.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
So again, they just wrapped up their first series of
eleven and eleven a team and you saw a great,
great pass to them to Reynolds in there.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
I think that was the highlight pass.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
I mean, he had a couple other nice plays, but
that was that was the highlight pass on an inbreaking.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Got a good pass and was a little hob to
whatever and then you hit Zach Wilson yasman over here
on the side. I thought it was a pretty good play, yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
And so yeah, I think that there's there's certain things again,
I think the trajectory wise, we're seeing improvement. And you
know I brought this up Rick and the last couple
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Speaker 1 (48:24):
I brought this up earlier to.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Ben that it well, I think this is more like
a conversation a week ago, but we brought this up
that we saw about this time. Russell Wilson last year
really kind of go to another level with Sean Payton's offense,
and I think it just there's some absorption time. And
to the point, we found out last year that Sean
Payton was kind of throwing a lot at Russ early
on to see what he couldn't do. And I think
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maybe the first few days of camp out here, when
it looked like the offense was pretty clunky and the
quarterbacks were just in their own head and they were
thinking and they were struggling a bit, maybe it was
a similar situation. But I feel like we've turned a
corner a bit with all of them, but especially with
bone Nicks, who seems to be a lot more comfortable.
Speaker 6 (49:03):
Well, first of all, we don't know what they're asking
them really to do out there, yes, right, we just
we're just observers. So uh, they could be working on
something in particular, but.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
I practicing out of bound throws like.
Speaker 6 (49:15):
They did a couple of years ago, or incompletions practicing
famous pat Shermerlan, So I do think they are showing progress.
And part of that also you have to keep in mind,
same coaching staff. Half this roster played in the system
last year as well, so they're comfortable with the system
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and the coaching staff. It's getting the new guys up
the speed and it's starting to happen.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
As far as changes you're going to see, I think
we're gonna see a defensive philosophy shift. You know, we've
had the Fangio kind of defense for the last few years,
including with a Varo and then kind of a continuity
with Vance last year. I think you're going to see
something more to kind to what Wade Phillips ran. Of course,
Vance Joseph is a is a Wade Phillips protege, and
I think you're going to see a more aggressive attacking
defense with a more man coverage this year than maybe
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those those tight fronts with a zero tech to two
four eyes and the and the you know, everybody dropping
back in the quarters match. I don't think you're going
to see as much of that this year.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
A question coming in, does Frank Crumb seemed to be improving?
Haven't heard much about him.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
I say he's a practice squad guy, you know, keep him, yeah,
firmly in that camp.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
But we're not we're not talking about pushing.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
If Frank Crumb starts this year, the Broncos are probably
in trouble based on where he is, right, it seems
that harsh. I'm not trying to be, you know, a jerk,
but he's just not ready. Yeah, it's it's not there yet.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
And he's been firmly on the third team offensive line,
and I mean, I gotta be honest. You know, a
couple of days ago when when bo Nicks was actually
working with the threes and thought he had a pretty
good day, there was multiple times he had to evade
the rush because the rusher went right by Frank Crumb.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
Once again.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
You know, you're talking about the size of this human being,
which is so noticeable. Right, But you can be athletic,
you can be tall, you can be a lot of
those things, but the technique portion of it at this
level is so important.
Speaker 6 (51:01):
Who's going to be the starting center?
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Well, that's a question. I think Wattenberg. He's just got
in the most reps into it, most experienced.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah, well yeah, Mustard's gotten more more starting experience. I'm
gonna lean that direction. I don't I don't think there
are a hundred percent sold He's just gotten more work there.
So it's you're just sort of more watching what they're
doing rather than what they're saying first plays.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
Yes, it could be on the roster for sure. I mean, uh,
you know because especially with Quinn Bailey gone, it saves
three positions. You know, he can play any one of
the three as a backup if he's not the starter.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
So Rick, it was really great scene.
Speaker 6 (51:35):
Man, hey man, thanks for having me. You guys are
great together.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
Appreciate that.
Speaker 6 (51:39):
I can't wait for kickoff. Let's do it. Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Yeah, we'll do it one week from tomorrow. The peaches
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Speaker 2 (52:21):
All right, our two coverage live for Broncos Park, power
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happen with Broncos and now Bowe Nix's chance to run
with the first team offense. And again we saw Jared
Sinham earlier. All three quarterbacks making some nice throws out here.
I'd say, again kind of on par consistently with what
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we've seen over the last week of practice.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
I'd say a week ago, at.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
This time, it looked still a little bit clunky, Ben,
But now as we're we're watching practice, I think the
offense is starting to find their footing a bit.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yeah, I started to catch it. And that's that's what
happens generally. I mean, your defense starts out ahead the offense.
As they install stuff, it gets better and better, and
then you know, the offense kind of laps the defense
a little bit. And then what you see after that
as you see the defense come back and kind of
pass the offense as they figure out what they're doing
towards the end of camp. So you know, you see
the ebbs and flows of that. I don't think, I
don't think you want to get too too into who's
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winning the day as far as that goes. But you
couldn't see start you can see, like you know, trajectory.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Arcs, no doubt about it, and so that that's kind
of been one of the early storylines, is watching the
offense and seeing how they're doing. Hit us up on
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Speaker 1 (53:40):
Steve Atwater out there.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
And we are still I believe in a weather delay,
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Speaker 3 (53:54):
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Speaker 2 (53:55):
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Speaker 3 (53:59):
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Speaker 2 (54:02):
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Speaker 1 (54:55):
This drives been a bit of a struggle for bo.
They had a really good pass to Courtland Sutton. He
had two really bad misses, one of which should have
been picked off and a throwaway there on a scramble.
Uh this this defense getting the better of the offense
on this drive. There's a plag down on this window,
so there may have been defensive holding.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
I mean it's probably the case, but you know again,
you know you you need to get out there and
tell them that that's ridiculous because the wrong first team
quarterback is in there.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
Well, I mean, you know, we want to see bo
out there succeed and we want to see him doing good.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
It's just they are they are doing a little more
move the ball. The first the first scrimmage portion was
was not quite like that.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
That was a good throw from bow to grig Dulca
s right there.
Speaker 6 (55:35):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
No, that's uh, Lucas c I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
Yeah, only those elite moves, Yeah, can only be of fame.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
Cut there. Oh man, that's good. Oh man.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
But yeah, that they they're doing a little bit more
move the ball. They kind of they move down there
into the red zone with that pass to Lucas Croll.
Now they're sort of backing it out a little bit.
So still some situational stuff. I gotta be honest again,
my favorite drills always continue to be move the ball
two minute drills. I don't know about you, if that
matters to you.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
It all been. I know that, it's all.
Speaker 2 (56:06):
It's all interesting, But for me, like the closer you
get to actual football moments, the better.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
Yeah, stid him in there now at first pass is
a completion of the back. I shocker. I look, I
just want more of game type situations because I don't
think there's there's much to take out of non game
type situations. If you look at at sevens and one's
if the quarterbacks thrown behind the guy or just just inaccurate,
then okay, there's that to mention, But beyond that, I
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don't I don't take a lot out of that.
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Speaker 1 (56:42):
Great job.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
Sorry if I missed, But how is Riley Moss doing?
Speaker 1 (56:45):
He's been out there for a little bit. I it's
tough to see sort of what he's doing out there
because there's there was sort of a wall in front
of us with players for that side of the ball,
so it's a little tough to see. But he's look
at Okay, he's in the mix for for the starting
job opposite.
Speaker 3 (57:01):
Hand Yep, No, he's gonna be in rotation.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
I have chance to chat with Tomorry Mathis earlier this
week and and sort of talked to him about the competition,
and I think to the point that you've made multiple times,
there's gonna be some version of a rotation. Maybe there's
gonna be a game or two that Levi Wallace starts.
Who's a game of two that Riley Moss. Maybe the
game or two that Tomorrow Mathis starts. And again, I
think there's some value to that because you keep these
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guys fresh, and plus if you can allows you to
play the hot hand a bit.
Speaker 3 (57:30):
If a guy's really dealing right, you know he's out.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
There past breakups looking very confident, Well, guess what, you
just ride with him. But then you also know, because
of the cornerback position, there's gonna be some times when
I'm gonna give up a big play. And we saw
with Damari Mathis where it can start to spiral on you. Well,
then you know you're not locked into anything. You've given
yourself some options and the Broncos had done a good
job at that.
Speaker 1 (57:51):
I think you have a guy's a different skill sets
is valuable too. I mean, Wallace has such great ball skills,
he just does. And so using him as of a
red zone corner where long speed isn't a factor or
issue and you're able to sort of, you know, play
to his strengths without having to expose him to as
a liability I think, you know, I think is inherently valuable.
And then you've got guys like Moss and Mathis, you
get more reps and you're hoping those guys develop into
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you know, inequality talent.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
Another question here on the Kiowa Common Spirit helped text
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can you talk a little bit about the additions to
the defensive line on how they can change the play
ie be more aggressive and how that impacts the rest
of the defense.
Speaker 1 (58:32):
Well, you sort of hit guys last year that did
weren't They were sort of just guys. I mean, with
all due repect to Matt Hennerson's a very smart individual,
He's kind of just a guy on a roster. Right,
You've got guys now that did command attention to command blocks,
Blacks and Rochelse guys are stronger than Henningson. They just are.
John Franklin Myers is is on a whole other level.
That might be the best edition of Broncos made this offseason.
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And so what you got are very talented, very strong,
very athletic guys that in addition to be able to
be gap penetrate tie up blockers and allow your linebackers
to shoot, which is what Vance Joseph likes to do.
And and so you're going to have the ability to
do things that you couldn't do last year. They also
the gap sound guys, they play they play gap sound,
so we're not giving up huge gaps like in that
Miami game where you saw them going off because you know,
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the run gaps weren't filled. So, you know, I just
think you have just better It's just just a question
of having more talent, better players there than you did previously.
Speaker 3 (59:24):
I think you did.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
Dropped stid them through a perfect ball there right there
to the end zone and was Troy Franklin and he
dropped it.
Speaker 3 (59:35):
It was it was a perfect ball.
Speaker 1 (59:38):
Put the ball on the side the body between the
receiver and the defender that was there. And you know
you don't see still and being aggressive as much you
love to see it what he's aggressive and puts the
ball where it's supposed to be. Troy Franklin just he
had hands on it and dropped it.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
He's had a sort of a tough camp, let's be honest.
Speaker 1 (59:52):
You know, Yeah, he's been coached up quite a bit
throughout this camp. I would not be surprised to see
if he's a guy it's a it's a long time
game inactive this season.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Yeah, and that's unfortunate because I I mean, I've been
talking about quite a bit on KIO Sports. It. Certainly
in college you know that the talent is there. But
this is one of the reasons why we've said for
years that rookie wide receivers does usually take a year
or two to get completely acclimated there once in a while,
especially if you're one of the superstars, right if you're
Elik Neighbors. A lot of expectations are high, Marvin Harrison junior,
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expectations are high, and we see guys like Jamar Chase
coming in the league and they're great right away. I mean,
we see plenty of examples. Justin Jefferson's another one. Even
Seedee Lamb was good. He wasn't what he was now,
but he was good. There are guys that go against
that trend. But on the other side of it, most
of the time it takes a couple of years. Doesn't
have been Yeah, I does.
Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
I mean, typically wide receivers take take two years and
a little change to to kind of hit their zenith
and go. There are some guys who started year one
and we've seen it, you know, that kind of thing,
but there are you know, in order to reach their
their kind of peak and hit that plateau. There's a
lot that goes into play in the receiver position. It's
a difficult position to learn at the pro level. And
you can't just get by on athleticism, which you know
guys can do in college. And and so that that's
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one of those things. A lot of times it takes
guys who are great athletes and stuff like that to uh,
you know, to to become a well rounded receiver.
Speaker 6 (01:01:15):
It does.
Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
It can take us full season, two seasons sometimes and.
Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
So that doesn't necessarily tell you, or tell me, or
or should tell anybody that the guy isn't going to
end up being a good player.
Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
And at this point where the wide.
Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Receiver room is, I don't think they had high expectations
based on the move they made this offseason, that that
Troy Franklin would be a big time contributor, do you I.
Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Mean, I didn't think he would be a big time
contributor this year anyway, But but you know there's a
plan there. He is a security blanket for bow Nixon,
that there's a familiarity there, and you kind of hope
that that develops into something down the line. I don't
think taking him there in the was a fourth round.
I don't believe that that's a mistake. I just don't
think he's a guy that's going to be a big
factor this year.
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Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
I'm not sure what happened there. Look at the defense
is celebrating a little one of Zach Wilson play as
I looked away for a moment. So that's on me.
I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Zach is pretty far behind where the other two quarterbacks are,
and I'm not saying we take a miracle for him
to get back into this competition.
Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
I think it's takes a significant leap.
Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
He would take a pretty significant leap. And that's that's okay.
Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
That's as an understanding that he was going to be
behind because he was going to be coming in here
learning a new system, which is like his fifth, fourth
or fifth system in the NFL so far. That's that's
a tough ask and he needed some QB rehab.
Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
I agree that.
Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
I think that Sean Payton is not going to just
be quick to let him go, be quick to move on.
And at this point you probably want a more steady,
veteran presence behind your rookie quarterback. Then you'd want somebody that,
even if they have more upside In Zach Wilson, you
probably would be looking for somebody that could sort of
keep things steady him versus going to a live wire
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like Zach.
Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Yeah, I mean, if Zach Wilson's starting games this year
at this point, it's because people got hurt. Yeah, you know,
I mean, that's that's where we're at right now, unfortunately,
And I you know, again, I wish all the best
for Zach. I hope he does improve and get to
the point where he wants to be in his career.
But as it sits right now, that's that's just where
it is.
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Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
That's a good question. Well, Jim Leonard's a good first
of all, he's a good defensive coach across the board.
Former player, you know, he knows the position. There's a
credibility there. He's been a defensive coordinator before. He understands
conceptually how you're trying to tie it together. And so
you've got a guy who played the game with the
level of physicality and respect that the players are all
good to value what he says. And you know, he
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was an instinctive player. So I think it's I think
it's a matter of translating and telling these guys, hey, look,
this is how I would read this in this situation.
This is why I would look at this this way
and seeing if mentally they can sort of wrap their
head around the same thought processes that he used to
have and go from there. I think Jim Leonard is
a great addition to this staff and an inherently valuable
edition and probably advance Joseph ever leaves for another job.
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He's probably the defensive coordinator in waiting.
Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
They've done a good job I think this offseason and
maybe a little bit under the radar conversation of bringing
in a lot of coaches with experience, right, I mean
not just Jim Litard. They brought in the former OC
of the Saints. Space is his name for SEC carmike
yea Pete Carmichael. And again, you know whatever you think
about Pete Carmichael, but it's more people in the building,
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not only with the experience, but experience specifically with Sean
Payton and what he wants to be doing out here.
Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Well, the thing about Pete Carmichael is is that you
know the Drew Brees stuff. He's large as and responsible for.
Pete Carmichael and Brian Schottenheimer, where the quarterback coaches there
in San Diego and developed Drew Brees and then brought
him when Pete came to New Orleans after New Orleans
missed out on bringing in Tony Romo, and then they
pivoted to trying to get Drew Brees in there, and
ultimately because of Pete's relationship, that was a large part
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Right now, we're watching another special Teams drill kind of
and again we're getting information now from BKA out in
Canton says that we're looking at eleven forty am Mountain
Start for the Hall of Fame speeches, but unfortunately, because
Randy Gratishar is going third, that will likely mean he's
not going to be aired live here on KOWA. But
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we'll have some reaction on Monday to all of it.
And certainly there are some platforms including NFL Network, they're
going to be carrying it, and again follow on at
VK Denver Sports and at KOA, Colorado for social media updates.
We'll have plenty of those out there from Canton. I'm
glad we're able to send BK out there.
Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
We've just a little bit of a tip of the
cap to our leader here, Dave Tepper, because we've had
some really cool moments, having Anthony Rod out in Cooperstown
covering Todd Helton's induction now with Randy Gratishar. As far
as I know, we're the only stations that sent people
out to these things. What a cool, cool deal that
we're able to do that, and certainly I think that
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kind of coverage shouldn't go unnoticed. So a little tip
of the cap to you to day for for making
that happen, and glad we have BK out there covering
that so here in special Teams. One thing I wanted
to ask you, Ben, because we had a chance to
watch the Hall of Fame game the other night and
everybody wanted to see the kickoff, and we found out
pretty quick into that that it was going to be
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pretty vanilla like everything else we usually see in preseason
games that nobody wants to show anything. So as quote
unquote revolutionary as the new kickoff is going to be
for the NFL, I don't think we're really going to
get a sense of what teams are thinking about it
until the regular season.
Speaker 5 (01:07:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
I really don't either. I don't think anybody wants to
tip their hand on what it is they're trying to
do and allow anybody to be prepared week one. I
think there are teams that want to catch other teams napping.
There are teams that feel like they have a distinct advantage.
I talked briefly to Sam Schwarzenstein, what was it last
week last Friday, I think it was. He's the guy
who designed this kickoff for the XFL back in the day,
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came up with the rules for this, and he mentioned
kind of how the best XFL team teams had had
sort of exploited it and gave gave some insight on that.
And you know, we'll get into that a little bit
later here, but it's there are some there are some
ways to sort of exploit this thing, and and early on, uh,
typically you want somebody that can break a first tackle
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back there returning if you've got somebody, and that it
tends to favor running backs. If you've got somebody who
can break a first tackle just by the way that
this thing shakes out, then you have you have chances
at making big gains because just the way the static
lineup is right there at the beginning. If you if
you understand running lanes and you understand rushing lanes, and
you understand return lanes, and you understand how to break tackles,
you can you can you know you can get to
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those those weak points in the return and be able
to do that.
Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
All right.
Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
We had a ton of text that just came in.
Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Oh. Something pointed out David Shaw as well. That's another
so again brought in to be part of as a consultant.
He's going to be around, I think again, just having
more experience in the building. Nothing bad there, Uh, who
you got Nick or Stitty. I've been pretty clear that
I think Nix is going to be the guy. Ben
still thinks stid him, at least as we start today.
Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
I think Nix will be the guy when he becomes
the guy. Right now, it's to me, it's it's Stidham.
I think it's the best way to phrase.
Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
What about Julil McLoughlin, Is he doing anything worth reporting?
Speaker 6 (01:09:11):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Absolutely, yeah, Oh yeah, he's going to get eight to
ten touches a game. Plus he's probably gonna be uh,
he's probably gonna be the starting one of the started
kick returners on this team, probably him and Treymond if
I if I had to guess today, and Treymon Smith
will be the start of kick returners. Mims will be
the punt returner, and then mcgloughlin will be running back
two or three depending on how you look at it.
With it with a kind of an eight to ten
touch workload.
Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Per game, can you compare Troy Franklin with Marvin mimss
a rookie similarities?
Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Question mark from.
Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Steve Mims is faster, a better receiver, more natural receiver,
more athletic, quicker change of direction, and better hands. I mean,
not the dog Troy Franklin. But Mims is just better
at everything he is.
Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
And you know, with Troy Franklin, once again, I there's
enough raw talent there that there's nothing that he's doing
this deterring my belief in him, right, And I don't
know if that's how you feel, but I'm just telling
you how I feel like I still see some special
out there. He just looks like he's he's thinking a lot,
and and that's okay. I mean, that's that's part of
what happens when you become a pro. I mean it's
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a different game, you know what. What you were as
an elite athlete in college, where you're running away from
everybody is not the case when you get to the pros.
And I know that goes without saying because we we
say it often, but it's understanding that when you get
out here, the talent level is just that much better
and those windows are so much tighter. Even that that
that pass, that was a beautiful pass from Stidham to
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the corner down here.
Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Yeah, that was a great pass.
Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
And you know, those are situations. I mean he had
probably a few of those in Oregon.
Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
Most of the time.
Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
He's gonna be taller, he's gonna be faster, he's gonna
have a you know, scheme to open because he's the
guy here.
Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
You're you're buried on the depth chart.
Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Man, You've got you gotta fight, you know, scratch, you
got a claw, you've gotta you gotta show the coaches
as well, as the quarterbacks out here that you can
be reliable.
Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Yeah, I think that's I think you hit the nail
on the head there. I think one of the things
when you look at the college tape and evaluating a
guy is how much was he schemed open and how
much did he get open? And so that's that's the thing.
Troy Franklin was often schemed open at Oregon. And that's
not to say he's not a great athlete.
Speaker 6 (01:11:06):
He is, but his.
Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Skills as a receiver leave something to be desired at
this point. And again, I'm seeing a guy who has
a lot of potential could become something, but as it
sits right now is probably wide receiver six ish wide
receiver seven ish out here makes the fifty three dim
due to the fact of where he was drafted, and
it's probably a game day inactive at this point.
Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Listening from Michigan on the iHeart app Thank you very much.
Who ran with the ones the most? They've been pretty
even in rotation, Yeah, they're pretty even. There isn't anything
to learn from that, unfortunately right now. And I know
that that I've been asked that a couple of times.
As far as can you tell based on the reps.
The only one that it feels like, based on the
reps that they might have won the job would be
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Luke Wattenberg at center, and again they're not going to
officially name him the center. They have still cycled in
this last week both must have for as well as Forsyth,
But right now, i'd say, based on the amount of
time he's been in there, it seems like they're leaning
Luke Wattenberg. But when it comes to the quarterbacks, the
only change they made this week is that Zach Wilson
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has not run with the ones since I don't know
what Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
I think maybe Monday or Tuesday. It's been a long time, so.
Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
It has been consistently stid him and Nicks alternating with
the ones throughout the course of the week. Now the twos,
Zack Wilson has gotten some time with the twos, but Zach,
but it has been Nicks and it's been sitting with
the ones. And I'd say that that rotation will likely
continue into next week.
Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Yeah, today, I would say, as they're doing field goal now,
I I I would say it's been a pretty rough
day for the corners. I don't think Moss or mathis
has looked particularly good today. Moss is getting cooked by
Dulcitch out there right now. He looks great, by the way, Yeah,
he really does. If he could stay healthy. Man by
by that stock, if you can buy a low buy
that stock. You know, matthis hit the flag earlier. So
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over there, uh, Jaylen Allen blew up Troy Franklin in
the backfield. We've seen a couple of you know, we've
seen a couple of plays like that. I I just
you know, today has not been yet. Wall get hurt,
Boss get cooked and and Mathos get penalties. It's not
been a great day for the corners out there.
Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Yeah, but then that's why you had these scrimmages. That's
why you have these opportunities. They're learning moments. And you know,
even yesterday I liked what Sean Payton had to say
after practice. He said, hey, there, we had some penalties
on the two minute drive, offensively and defensively. And you
know you have the whole holding penalty that took you
out of field goal range and had a couple of
defense penalties that allowed drives to continue. These are when
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you want to make those mistakes because they got a
chance to coach them up and help these guys improve
from that. But once again, there's just there's so many
moving parts. I did like one thing though from Sean yesterday.
He said he chose yesterday as a day to really
tighten the screws on these guys in the details they did,
and the coaches.
Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Were really really coaching them up. They want they want
to be detail oriented. Yesterday they wanted to be in
their face about mistakes and and and all that kind
of stuff, not just letting things slide. You set the
standard that it's not acceptable. You make sure you pointed
out in real time, and then you go back when
you're on the on the clicker later and you get
to repoint it out again.
Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Another question coming in here on the Kiwek Common Spirit
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Skinner coming along with Brandon Jones still out.
Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
He's had a couple of plays today. Yes, he's you know,
he's a he's a big physical jar. Oh you notice
him safety you know, Yeah, you know he's out there.
I thought he's had a couple of plays today. I
you know, based on where we are sometimes my ability
to see where he's actually at in coverage is a
little bit difficult, but uh, he's certainly made a couple
of plays today I've noticed as an end result Ben
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and Ryan.
Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
How does Tim Patrick look versus his prime Any risk
of him being demoted?
Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Well, I don't know what. He's one of the big
four receivers. He's got a platoon at the X of
Courtland Sutton. You may see it move around a little
bit in some some other packages, but he'll mostly platoon
at the X with Sudden. I don't know what a
demotion necessarily means. He'll be wide receiver for at floor
on this team.
Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
He looks good out there, and it does look good
out there. Good, I don't had a really nice day yesterday, and.
Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
It looks like Nix is out there again for for
next set of reps. So it looks like we're doing
red zone here.
Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Okay, great, yeah, red zone. Last Saturday it was a
lot of fun. I mean, we saw some really great
moments from Nicks. He had three passing touchdowns, and of
course he had the one interception, the really the only
real interception he's had over the course of training camp.
Though there are some media members that like to count
one on ones.
Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Well, I don't I think for context.
Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
You know, I mean, I mean, if you're trying to
frame things in a way, yes.
Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
And Nick's uh, doesn't see anybody takes off scrambles.
Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
And and by the way, with the scrambling, and we
found out yesterday with Sean that you know, typically typically
scrambling in seven on seven is a faux pas, right
is it is frowned upon, And they definitely get some
jeers from the media watching, like, oh, come on, you
can't scramble during seven on seven. But then Shan yesterday said, now, actually,
I'm telling these guys treat it like a game, and
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and I want the receivers downfield to even be blocking.
Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Now take that for what it is.
Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
I'm just saying that the way that they're viewing this,
because I asked Sean this week in fact, about Bonnicks
scrambling or any of the quarterbacks scrambling even in during
team saying, well, would you prefer them to stay in
and run the and he says, no, I want them
to treat like a game if it's not their go.
Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
That's what I've been pretty consistent about that is, you know,
you kind of want to practice as you're going to play.
You don't want to put something into your mind that
you're not actually ever going to do. And so I've
always been okay with that. I just I note it
because it seems like it's happening disproportionately with both then
it is with anyone else. You wonder a little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
And I'm not trying to directly tie to Josh Allen
because they're not the same kind of quarterback, but you
wonder a little bit, especially with a rookie quarterback, if
that's a way that you can make at least a
positive play happen that the coaching staff isn't.
Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Kind of supportive of it, you know, Yeah, And I
believe that they're telling him that right now until the
game slows down for him a little bit more. You know, Hey,
if it's if it's too fast for your take off,
I mean, it's the same thing you tell a justin fields,
you know, if it's too fast for you, then then
take off until it slows down. For until it gets
the point where it slows down for you, and then
you kind of want to rain that in a little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
All Right, it looks like it's gonna be four third down,
all right, So we're really going to third down here
in goal ver Bone Nicks and the first team off.
Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
You got two.
Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Because we've got a lot of questions if Nix is
getting extra run with ones today, he is actually a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
They're they're kind of they're kind of divving it up.
But it's it's Nicks than Stidham Insteadham the Nicks. They're
kind of divving it.
Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Though Didham didn't get This is to two in a
row for Nicks.
Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Is my point. This is to run with the ones
in a row. Now, I'm not telling you that that
means anything. I'm just telling you.
Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
That's what it is. This is a new set of drills.
Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Yeah, this is a new set of Yeah, this is
a new set of drills. But I'm just saying it's
back to back with the ones for Knicks. We'll see
if Stidham gets a run with the ones again.
Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
Yes, with the ones the first at the thing. So
it's it's like I said, it's it's just it's just
the rotation that they do. And I don't think I
don't think there's anything to take from that. I think
it's clearly those two guys, uh that are still you know,
in the mix for this and I think once you
start seeing bo just take old you know you'll you'll
see it. You'll know it when when Sean Payton feels
comfortable that he's the guy, you'll see him take all
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the one stuff and that'll that'll just be that. I'm
just saying you may want to rethink your bet. I'm
not really thinking anything, so missed Josh Reynolds on the show.
Gallow Crosser at the end zone.
Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Yeah, that was running into the third I don't know
what they're running now, still rud zone.
Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
All right, Well, come back.
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hitting Courtland Sutton on third down in the red zone
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Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
What's going on with Jarrett Sidham.
Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
You hit Troutman in the hands in the end zone,
he dropped it. Ah, Okay, that was right there at
the shallow pilon on the left side.
Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
So Troutman clearly is trying to uh stomp.
Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
He's throwing it for bonus throw for both. That's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
Oh my god, cauld you imagine like that that Trump
is like, oh, I've seen enough.
Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm absolutely gonna drop this now, trout
But I think is an important ad, right, I mean,
I know that it's like an under the radar. Nobody's
talking about it because everybody's been talking about Dulcitch and Croll.
But Troutman is is is a complete tight end and
and he does offer you something in the past game
as well as blocking, and I think more so in
the blocking game.
Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
But it's an important factor of this offense.
Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
Yeah, I think Stidham just scored the touchdown there, but
I couldn't tell you threw it too. I was kind
of walled off.
Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
So I'll see if Twitter will tell me, because then
we have a we have a bunch of media members
up on the burn.
Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
I'm may even one hundred percent sure it was caught,
but the body language of the offense looked like it was.
It's just the way I'm walled off here. I can
see that at the top of the helmet.
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Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
I'm not even sure what that play was. Thatch Wilson
came out, the ball came out, of his hand looking
like a Ninja star, So I don't know, I don't
know what that was. Yeah, like an ten star, but
like the t bow Ninja star, the ball traveled end
over end. It was intended for a running back on
a choice route, and I don't I'm not sure what
that was.
Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
Blake Watson getting in. It's good to see him out
here again. I think you and I think they got
plans for him.
Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
I think you know he might factor in the kick
return rotation with Jalil and treymont Smith, and I think
they'd like to get him a a few touches here there.
Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
As well, and see if there's any more questions five
six six nine zero. After years of new ownership, can
you talk about how the Penner group is similar to
and different than the Pat Bowling years of ownership? Do
you feel do players feel similarly about the Penners.
Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
You know, I was only here for the back part
of the Bowling thing, and especially when he was kind
of being phased out, so I couldn't really speak to that.
I would say that the guys who talk about Pat
Bowlan talk with a certain type of reverence. I would
not necessarily say that these guys talk about the Penners
that way yet, although they do say specifically that they
believe that they will outlay financially to put this team
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in success, whether that's changing fields for one game, going
out there, rolling out new turf for one game, you know,
putting new new medical facilities, you know, in stuff like
that that they do take player suggestions. So maybe the
Penners haven't owned this long enough yet to sort of
get that reverence.
Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
But headed in the right direction one hundred percent. And Yeah,
just to kind of piggyback on that, I'd say that
the overwhelming that's a touchdown, touchdown Wilson Jack Wilson, Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
What's the best way to phrase that? Squeezed the ball
in somewhere it probably shouldn't have been, and the receiver
made a good play on it and caught that. Is
that like his entire career? I believe it was Brandon
Johnson ketch caball there.
Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
I mean, that's that's what he does, right, I mean,
when it happens and it works, it's like, oh man,
there's only a few quarterbacks in the world that could
do that.
Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
Yeah, this was this was this was an ill advised
throw to the wrong side. Of the receiver that Brandon
Johnson just kind of made a play.
Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
You got that kind of arm talent, you know sometimes
that we call that sack.
Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Does I mean Zach does have. Like if we're being
fair here, because we've been dogging him all day. If
Zach Wilson has the strongest arm by far, he has
the best athleticism by far, you know that kind of stuff.
He's just wildly in consistent. By the way, eighty four
just made a touchdown grab there too, on whatever it
was they were doing there. Eighty four. Yeah, I just
leaped up and.
Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
Oh that's Hunter.
Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Yeah, the new guy.
Speaker 6 (01:22:52):
Guy.
Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
You gotta play back back right corner of the end zone.
Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
That's what happens when we started adding players.
Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
That's why I just refer to people by number in
training camp.
Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
I've got most of them down. I'm like ready to
go on most of them at this point. But then yeah,
when they add some of him, like I don't know
in eighty four, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
Just I just refer to my number till cut that
to day. That's that's been my rule for a couple
of years.
Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
But back to the petits, though, you're a number to me,
I get that often back to the vaulton Peers, I'd
say that yes, so far, the players, the ones that
have come here, have all spoke glowingly. We see Greg
Penner out here. He's not up there on top of
the on top of the building, he's out here on
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the field. He's watching a lot of these practices. I
know that it matters to him that this team is
wins in several facets. He wants to win off the
field as well as on the field, and he wants
to turn this franchise back into what it was, where
a consistently contending team, and he's offering whatever resources he can,
including paying a head coach nearly twenty million dollars per year,
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in training a first and swapping a Day two pick
for him. I mean that's that there's there's a multitude
of ways that this ownership group has really already can tribute.
You mentioned what they've done with the facilities, and then
what they're gonna plan on doing with this facility out here,
the practice field, that what they've done down there at
in power field a mile high. There's a standard that
they're they're trying to set and the players they notice it,
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and for me, it's only kind of a matter of
time till it all kind of catches up and this
team can can be who they are. But again comes
down to plan at the quarterback, plan at the coach.
Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
Are they in line? Are you in the right direction
at least right now? We hope they are.
Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
Monis back out their goal line situations. Looks like the
ones are back out Sutton, little Jordan Humphrey in with
the one receivers.
Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
By the way, Okay, yeah, you know, he's an interesting
guy because he's.
Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
I get it at goal line, you know, yeah, you know,
I get it. I get it a goal line.
Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
He's been he's been pretty sure handed out here for
a lot of practices. And again, he probably won't be
somebody that we're all talking about needing to absolutely be
on the fifty three. I think he's more of a
guy that you're bringing up on from practice squad relatively often.
But the but the Broncos here, especially with Sean Payton,
they really like him. They like that he understands what
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it means to to, you know, be a Saint. Which
New Orleans Saint players you've I mean, last year was
it with Marquis Calloway was here? Who I think is
now back with the Saints. And little Jordan Humphrey, Well,
guess what. Little George Humphrey is the guy that actually
ended up sticking more so than Marquez.
Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
Yeah, and and Tremont Smith I believe was not Tremon Smith.
Uh tree kwan tree kwan.
Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
Yes, it was out here. It was out here as
well for a cup of coffee.
Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
Yep, yep. So I think Stidham just ran one in
uh Bo would would have passed. I thought was close.
It could have been a touchdown. I'm not a hunter.
Sure I this This referee on this side did not
signal touchdown and then he just did for Stidham's run.
So okay, we'll see. It may have been a touchdown
for Bo. I don't I don't want to discredit him.
I just he didn't signal over here. So how do
you balance out?
Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
And we've had this conversation a few times, not only
on K Sports as well as Broncos Country tonight and
maybe even last Saturday. How do you balance out when
you're seeing success from the offense, whether it's running game
or passing game, and knowing that it's against this defense,
do you do you feel like that's something negative to
view from the defensive side of the ball at the
offensive getting their wins.
Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
I don't think it's negative either way. I mean, I
think that these practices in front of fans are designed
for the offense to look a little bit better. So
anytime you know, you kind of have that, I think
you take that as it were. I think if you're
looking at whether or not it's it's a negative for
the offensive defense. I think you look at in game situations.
When you get into a preseason game, you can start
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to see if it doesn't look like it's flowing, then
you're like, okay, this was deliberately set up in practice
to you know, for one side or the other. I
you know, again, I just want to see preseason action. Now.
These scrimmages are good, which we're sort of seeing what
it is conceptually they want to do, but I want
to see it all put together in a game type
situation now before we before we make any judgments.
Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
Yeah, we get to that point, right, You get to
that point in camp. You're you're excited when camp last Saturday,
we're just anthe camp was, yeah, and then now you
get a week later in you're like, I've seen enough
of the kind of drills, and I've seen enough all
of this, and I think I'm ready for an actual
our players versus somebody else's players. And I think the
actual players out here feel the same way. Yeah, I mean, honestly,
(01:27:10):
I think that a lot of them are kind of
get to a point. I remember talking to Malcolm Roach
yesterday talking about going up against the same offensive line.
Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
Every single day.
Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
He had a great answer though, because he said, well, yes,
you do get a little fatigue with that, but on
the other side of it, you understand that we're trying
to help them get better, just like they're trying to
help us get better.
Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
And if you have that mindset of this, that's why
it's practice.
Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
That's why it's Hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna put everything
I can into this rep, just like you're putting everything
you have into this rep. Because when we do see opponents,
we do see somebody else, then we're gonna be at
our best.
Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
Yeah, And I think, I mean, competition makes everybody better.
But the one thing that you worry about is when
you're practicing every day against the same guy is a defender,
do you or offensive player either one? Do you start
playing the guy instead of the technique, right right, you know,
you start to know that guy's weakness is limitation since
she's like, you know, I have a chance to put
a good reputs by doing the X, Y and Z,
and the people you're playing over the course of the
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season may not be susceptible to that same technique, whatever
it is. So I think it's important to make sure
that you're playing the technique and not the man.
Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Keep sending your questions in five six six nine zero
ur Kway Common Spirit health text line this one. Do
the coaches ever talk to some of the top offensive
players on who they like at quarterback?
Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
I mean, I wouldn't know if that's something that that's happening.
Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
And they have been very very I mean see Cagy
that that feels extreme, but they've been close to the vest,
if you will. Sean Payton, even when asked about bo
Nicks earlier this week, kind of had a bit of
a funny moment because he immediately turned the conversation into
praise for Josh Reynolds, and then he was asked about
Bonicks again and he's like, I got you know, watch
the tape, but yeah, I think he's doing good.
Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
He seems like he's trying to.
Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Be very careful in some of his praise and careful
in the way that he's framing the quarterback conversation.
Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
Have you noticed that, Ben, Yeah, I mean with it
with his face on it.
Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
Yeah. Yeah, you know if at the stand and now
we all know where all these rich eyes in and
Calent Coward and all those people all know where getting
the exact same quote they're all using about about bone Nicks.
It's all come from San Jean Payton leaks to the media.
It's that's where they're all getting from, directly from Sean Payne.
So you know, we we know those kinds of things.
But I think he's doing the right thing publicly. I mean,
the last thing the local guys here want to do
is see Sean Payton up. They're always talking about bone
(01:29:24):
Nicks and not crediting his guys. It's it goes a
long way. A little bit goes a long way when
you're when you sprinkle the credit around. And I'll refer
you back to Vic Fangio, who was quite stingy with
that kind of story. Yeah, and it you know, it
got to a point in the locker room were like dude, like,
we're out here playing for you can't sit here and
say something nice, you know, to the media at any point.
So you know, I think it goes a long way
(01:29:46):
when he does stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
Per Adam Schefter moments ago, Tyreek killing Dolphins riach agreement
in a restructured contract where ninety million over the next
three years, including sixty five million guaranteed. This brings the
four year total of vully guaranteed money to one hundred
and six point five million, the most ever for any
wide receiver. And I mean, based on what we have
(01:30:09):
seen with Tyreek Hill and that Dolphins offense, and they
gave new money to Jalen Waddle already this offseason, that
just makes a lot of sense to keep him happy
because he is one of the most dynamic wide receivers
in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
Well, I mean, you know, and he's expecting what a
twelve kid I think, you know at this point, So
that'll help out with that. But Tyreek, he had a
funny moment when he was talking about it yesterday that
that was coming and he said, look, I just told
my agent, don't get me traded like you did the
last time.
Speaker 6 (01:30:34):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
Oh, I didn't see that. That's really funny. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, because I wouldn't have thought that he wanted
to leave the Kansas City Chiefs. But as it turns out,
it's actually worked for both teams, right, I mean, the
Dolphins clearly are a better team with Tyreek Hill and
then the meanwhile, the Chiefs, what they did is they
just decided to load up on defense and added.
Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
A lot of them to do that.
Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
Yeah, it's carried it last year, added a lot of
blue chip players on the defensive side of the ball,
and they now went back to back championships without Tyreek Hilly.
Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Tyreek went and got the money that he wanted. He's
getting the stats in the accolades. Meanwhile over there, the
Chiefs will winning rings. So everybody, they're sure Broncos fans
don't want to hear that.
Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
No, no, of course not.
Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
But you know you, as a lifelong Chiefs fan, I'm
sure you feel fine about it. I'm sorry I couldn't
hear either, would you say, Yeah, you couldn't hear me
through the rings?
Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
Yeah, in your ears?
Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
Yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
But yeah, we see that once in a while, right
we Broncos fans.
Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Unfortunately, don't feel the same way about the Russell Wilson
trade that didn't exactly work out for both sides, but
the Lions and the Rams right Stafford and Golf. It's
another example of a trade that has worked out for
both sides and both teams have thried it thrived in
those situations. We're getting another team drill going here after
(01:31:47):
special teams. I'm trying to see who the starting quarterback
is for this final team drill. As practices, it's gonna
be Stidham.
Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
So, yeah, you're right. So in the end, today they
ended up balancing it out.
Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
They just did it.
Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
They didn't alternate as much as they had before or
so before it was in every other.
Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
This they did one two one two two one. You know,
they did it like like a little bit almost like
a snake you know, a snake draft kind of thing
if you're a fantasy football player.
Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
So do you think this week we're going to continue
to see it like that?
Speaker 6 (01:32:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
I do.
Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
Again, I I think two things can be true at
the same time. I think Bix is on a trajectory
to become the starter, and if the season started right now,
Jared Sstdham would be the guy they and they the
competent where everybody's like, oh, Bonex is blowing him away
is not true. In fact, that came from an account
that has not observed one practice at all. So I
you know, I think that there is I don't think
it's a competition. I think there is practices, and we're
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waiting for bo to take the job definitively and he
hasn't quite done that yet.
Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Question coming in on the Kawa Common Spirit Health text
line five six six nine zero been at Ryan based
upon your considerable experience, contrast and compare Wilson in camp
last year versus Nixon Stidham.
Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
Is the approach from Sean Payton any different?
Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
A lot different? Yeah, this is I mean when you
came into camp last year, Russell Wilson was the guy,
and he was going to be the guy, you know
kind of period. I know there were people talking Steadham
up because of you know, a couple of guaranteed dollars
or whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
But well, and he was a day one ad in
free agency.
Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
Yeah, but I mean still there was never there was
never anyed doubt who was the quarterback last year. If
you watched the way that things were distributed, the Broncos
were trying to see if Russell Wilson was indeed the
future of this organization or not, and then ultimately decided
that he wasn't. So yeah, that's just wildly different in
this particular situation. You know, people are calling it a
(01:33:34):
quarterback competition. I wouldn't call it that. I would say
that this is waiting for Bo Nick to take the job.
Stidham is the placeholder at QB one until bo passes him,
and then bow will be the guy. And that's that's
where we are right now.
Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
And you know what, I think that's it's pretty fair
for both quarterbacks in the end, right, because if you're
Jared Stidham coming into this season, you know they just
drafted a first round quarterback.
Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
He's going to play eventually.
Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
But it doesn't mean you can't go out there and
make it competitive, right, And I think that's what you
sell if you're Sean Payton. And maybe he didn't even
have to say anything because Jared stim has been around
the league for a while. Zach Wilson's more of the
guy coming in here that needs to prove something, right,
He's the one that's coming in behind everybody. But you
both Zach Wilson and Jared Sidam know that BONNICKX is
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gonna eventually play. So then if you're Jared Sidham, you say, hey,
I got to make it hard on the rook That's
my job. My job is to say I deserve to
be in this conversation. I'm gonna go out here and
do everything. But the thing about it is, and then
we don't know this port part of it from the
coaching staff. Are they looking for somebody to go out
there when you say take it to do something that
(01:34:39):
is a little bit above and beyond what the expected
level of that player is. For example, with Jared Stidham,
you know that he tends to look at things as hey,
what can I what is the defense giving me? I'm
gonna tear it Teddy Bridgewater this thing up, I'm gonna
check down. I'm gonna hit everything underneath because I'm gonna
not ever have a negative play. Is the coaching staff saying, well,
if you're gonna win the we need you to go
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to another level.
Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
I don't think that's it. I think they're looking for
core competency on execution. By the way, Stidham just had
a laser down the middle there. Uh, good, good deep
throw from from the normal, the normal Bridgewater type. I think, Uh,
they're running some hurry up here, So I think I
don't know, I don't I don't know what they're looking
to see who they are. I think they're looking for
a core competency, and they look for bow Nicks to show, Hey,
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I've got complete control of this offense. I'm capable of
doing more than just calling a play and making a
quick throw. I'm capable of setting the table, reading the defense,
and then executing the offense has called. And I think
once Bo gets to that point and shows that consistently
for a few days, that then all of a sudden,
you'll start to see this thing tilted in a different direction.
Right now, they're just divvying up the once because they
know what Stidham is. They know he's a caretaker and uh,
(01:35:45):
and he's kind of that guy. And you're waiting for
bow to just become the starter. You know, there's a
there's a great line in uh in the show The
West Wing about finding the presidential voice, that moment where
you you realize you get the confidence I am running
for the press and I'm qualified for this job, right
and it's it's about that. It's about making it all click.
You know, where you go from I'm a guy competing
for this job to I am the guy that is.
Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
A Really that wasn't really nice.
Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
I'm trying to see who ended up being the pass too,
because again it's a Jared Siddim with the ones taking
on the first team defense.
Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
It was an inbreaking route. That's about all I could see.
Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
But it was it was really nice pass. And as
they run in a little bit of a hurry.
Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
Up here, there's seven seconds left on the clock and
this is you're down by a touchdown. We're four fourth quarters,
so uh, this is going to be a shot to
the end zone.
Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
The other defense is three deep prevent uh, three deep
prevent heels on the goal line here, So this will
be interesting to see how they what they run here
knowing that the defense is camped on the end zone.
Not not the I mean really it was. It was
a tough drive. You know, it started as a penalty
to for a false start over. There was a boneheaded
Garrett Bowles I think full start earlier as well, to
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put them behind the chains early. So shoves up for
the end zone picked. It may have been close to
Oh no, they are calling it. Okay, they're calling down down.
Speaker 3 (01:37:04):
Okay, it was tip. It was tipped before he got
to the tipped.
Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
And they looked like PJ Lock I think made a
diving play on it.
Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
But so we get the drill here. Fifty three seconds
starting on the forty four yard line, fourth quarter, down
by six. That's that's the drill. Yeah, And so we
got a chance to see Stidham with the ones. Uh
they did not didn't score a touchdown. That was a
very nice pass that he had there. But up until
that point you talked about there was a full start.
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There was a scramble from Stidham, even though actually I
think he was sacked. So not not the greatest showing
there on that that first team. We'll see if Bo
can do something here to build on his legend.
Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
Yeah, this will be an opportunity for Bo to get
some of the fans excited here as he gets to
do the same drill against what looks like the second
team defense. Is I'm looking looking at numbers out here. Yeah,
so this is what it looked like.
Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
Getting getting a few details from the media that are
up in the so for Stidham. First play was a sack,
second place Moscot beat by Sutton, but he was on the.
Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
Ground lock tip ball there bo. Nick's third play.
Speaker 3 (01:38:11):
Was another sack and then Bowles as you mentioned, with
a false start.
Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
Yeah, tipball there. It was not really the best position.
I think if you've gone a little more inside of
the receiver there, it might have had to play on
the ball that was tipped by the defender.
Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
I think that was Memes that actually caught that pass
from Sidham earlier.
Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
Could have been he was back out there again here.
Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
Yeah, and that was on a fourth and eighteen, So
that was a big play from Mems.
Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
So as we're final moments for us, and we appreciate
you guys rolling with us on a Saturday, as we're
broadcasting live from Broncos Park powered by Common Spirit, we'll
swing to the back as the running back gets out
there and Julian McLoughlin, who again he could I believe he.
Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
Had an escort out there with Adkins on the block.
Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
If I'm not mistaken you, We're gonna see a lot
of that stuff this year. Honestly, that was a false start.
Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
They didn't call there.
Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
Once again, if you're just tuning in. We are going
to podcast this, so we've been on for just about
two hours. It's going to be up at the Broncos
Country Tonight podcast page as well as Kiawei Sports since
both of us kind of do alternating shows there. But well,
and we'll have breakdown on Monday, of course on both
of our programs, talking about not only the Saturday scrimmage,
but sort of what we expect for the rest of
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the week. They do have training camp practices every day
Monday through Friday this week, although a little programming note.
I guess Friday will not be open to the fans,
so in case you have tickets already, it was initially
slated to be for the fans, but they're going to
move the practice inside.
Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
Oh that's p I fourth and down. It wasn't fourth
and two. We didn't touch him fourth and two.
Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
He didn't touch it? You're high? How is it the
center France? If he doesn't touch it, it's fourth and two.
It was a fourth and two play.
Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
Just like Carly Sutton didn't have one foot in yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
Huh, he didn't have either foot in?
Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
All right, Well, there he goes.
Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
They didn't convert, Bonix didn't convert, and they ended up
so both the first team man second team were not
able to score a touchdown.
Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
During that drill. Yeah, it was a fourth and two
and he was trying to hit it was either a
slant or an in breaking r out. There couldn't tell
it was a square inner slant just from the angle.
Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
But Shure thrown the flag and the referees right literally
right there, like he's pretty obvious you didn't touch him.
Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
I get your rooting for something here. Oh no, no, no, no,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:40:17):
Hey, listen, don't ever question my integrity.
Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
Guy that's actually placing bets on the quarterbacks, don't don't
question my integrity.
Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
That not your integrity. I'm making a joke here.
Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
Yeah, you you're the one that's actually laying bets on
these quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
I am not so that does that have anything to
do with it. I'm just telling you, like I I
I know you're just telling me, what does that have
anything to.
Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
Do with it? I'm just saying, we're we're talking about
what we're expecting to see out here, and I'm just
telling you that I thought that was a penalty.
Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
You're right, the ref stand right there. He didn't call it,
so that's ends up being the.
Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
Case overthrow there for who is it was that?
Speaker 6 (01:40:48):
Zach?
Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
Yeah? Okay, I mean he said bad overthrow.
Speaker 7 (01:40:50):
Well I repeat myself. Here's a bad over the redundancy. Yeah,
those a redundant department done the see department?
Speaker 1 (01:41:01):
All right?
Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
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Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
I don't know that he should have squeezed that in,
but he did. Troy frank await for Troy frank Here
we go. I'm positive about both of Troy hurried it
up in the Clockett there at clocks tick.
Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
I am rooting for Troy Franklin. I definitely would like
to see him.
Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
Yeah, well, gain some confidence, can get worse. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
Oh no, nearly batted at the line. They had a
couple of days ago where there are a lot of
passes bat bat of the line.
Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
They had four or five of them. That was uh,
and it was evenly distributed to so it wasn't just
any one quarterback getting battered it with all of them.
Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
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Speaker 3 (01:41:59):
So idle moments here, we got the third team offense driving.
Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
Get second ten ball on the thirteen.
Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
Okay, so hopefully we can get a touchdown here before
we're out of here, before the office back foot.
Speaker 1 (01:42:15):
Oh my god, Zach goals, you know what? Hopefully we
go just yeah the yolo. Yeah, shades of Drew lock there. Yes,
Oh my gosh, you know it's funny you bring that up.
That's yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
So he reminds you of I mean a little bit
right with a mean unbelievable arm talent, and just like
I can I can do this.
Speaker 1 (01:42:39):
I can get away with this this throw. Yeah, when
you get away with it at college, and you can
get away with in college with the with the throwing
lanes and the wider hashes, but you just not get
away with that pros.
Speaker 3 (01:42:47):
All right, So we got third and ten. Come on, Zach,
Come on, Zach.
Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
That didn't work.
Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
I want to thank Anthony Rodriguez Dave Tepper out here
helping us produce this pro Graham. Thank you to Rick
Lewis for coming by and joining us for a little
bit k out in Canton with the Hall of Fame.
Also Jeff Brentley back in the studio doing a really,
really terrific job running the board. Ben and I'll be
back on Monday. Thank you guys for listening to us
here on a very special Saturday edition of our program
(01:43:16):
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