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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to it Broncos Country tonight, but with all Brian
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
And Grant, uh, I think we're calling you number one
now I'll take it For those that don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Grant Smith also does some work Lars'sersation KBCL where he's
he does the vocal the tracking work there and Grant you,
I believe now we don't really talk about ratings, and
we want to talk about, you know, our show's ratings
or whatever. Not that anybody in town will run anything
against us. It's all national programming. It's the only live
and local show you get at this time slot for
a reason. But humble brac Grant, this is about you.
(00:50):
You hit number one for the first time, did you not?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Actually two months in a row.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Now here we go, he's got a streak, hot streaking
street Smith.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Going over there, We just wanted to give you.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Give your flowers, man, and we'll be happy we get
to get back there in studio.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
See that mustache and olds. Gloriousness. I can't wait to
see you guys in person again. Five sixty six nine.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Zero is the text line you would involved in the conversation.
We did get somebody qualified for tickets earlier. Your next
chance to do that I'll be I think between eight
thirty and ninety nine thirty tomorrow morning on Colorado Morning News.
So you guys want to keep it locked in there
if you didn't get in this time.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Do we know who was qualified their grit? Yes, but
I forget his name.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Oh okay, well we congratulate you. So a lot going
on around the league real quick. I wanted to touch
on justin the course Simmons had dinner with the UH
went over worked out with Norman Saints, and uh Gumbo
had dinner out there.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I think part of that.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
My personal read on that, based on what I know,
is that that was a leverage play to get another
team to get the button gear and get things done.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Obviously there was no deal that it came to fruition.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
There doesn't mean they won't be but interesting that Joe Woods,
a defensive coordinator there, obviously was here when Justin was drafted,
so there is a relationship there. And I think people
are interested in seeing where Justin Simmons winds up could
be could be with the team that Denver Broncas are
playing this weekend.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Well, I know that was some conversation before it's training
camp started that Justin could end up in Indiana with
Indianapolis Coats. For me, look, man, I would love to
see Justin back in the uniform.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I still think he.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Has some gas in the tank based on what he
did last season with the Denver Broncos. Definitely showed it.
And if I'm not mistaken, the top one hundred, wasn't
he like in that forty fifty range or something like that?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
And I hate, first of all, I hate that. I
hate the NFL Top one.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
What do you hate it?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I hate it because it's clickbait. It's rage bait. They
deliberately like put that, they put like Papa Holmes, like
fourth or something on that list. I'm like, guess the
dumbest thing I've ever seen it.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
It's rage bit.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
It's designed to get people talking by putting guys in
the wrong number and then get you talking about what
they should have been high, they should have been lower.
And it works because what we're talking about it right now.
But that's the point. It's clickbait, it's rage bait.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Well, this is what the NFL does better than any
other professional league out there. They know how to make
even their off season something relative to be very conversational.
They got a PhD in it. Everyone else is trying
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to catch. Just think about first, well, I think it was,
was it twenty four years ago they came up with
hard knocks, they're.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Still doing it. Then it was in the season hard knocks,
and then they got hard.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Knocks with the Giants, like who're the one to watch
Brian Dabele and the Giants go through hard knock. No
one really wants to do it, but guess what, because
it's football, people are going to tune in even if they.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Don't like it. It's the same way where.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
When Madden Football comes out.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
With the ratings, right and they are the overall ratings
a Madding are underly meaningless. They don't affect how a
player plays in the game. Nothing say for you. You
say that, right, well, they should not matter. They don't,
but they matter to players. Well, yeah, players, you got
me on a ninety three, I'm a ninety six. Yes.
(04:22):
I remember our running back here who was mad about
his speed rating and asked me to go to Gordon.
That's just right around that time though, Okay, okay, just
saying so they ask you, could.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
You talk to people you run?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Asked me because they know that I know the yes,
two guys over mad to run the three and so
they were They're like, dude, you gotta.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Get my you got to get my acceleration up.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Man.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
They got me an eighty nine with a ninety speed.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
That ain't it, you know?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And I'm like, what kind of power do you think
I have here?
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Right?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
And you think that players should not care about something
like that, but they do because they know that they're
more people friends, guys they.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Went to college with, you know, maybe some exes.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Right, the girlfriends made their boyfriend new boordfriend might be playing,
and they don't want their numbers to be perceived to
be low, so they want to make sure that they changed.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I think one time I think was hard Knocks with
the Raiders, and.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
The players saw the guys from EA Sports there and
they were trying to butter them up, trying to figure out, hey,
look what are my scores going to be? And can
you up my score? Because it matters to them, even
though in a grand scheme of things, you're not getting
any extra incentive bonuses because of that contract. No, just wait,
could you imagine if guys Madden ratings were tied to.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
UH to their contract and the contract incentives bro.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
When they when they adjust the ratings in season all
sudden game.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Or something, because you know, like in the game itself,
if a guy gets injured in the regular season the
way I understand that the game actually shows that.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
As well, Yeah, injured, you take you out of lineup right,
I can't play with them.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
So it would be wild to watch you guys actual.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Financing numbers in real time drop because of their Madden readings.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
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Speaker 2 (06:20):
Hall of Fame, all that kind of stuff. You guys
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Speaker 1 (06:23):
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Speaker 2 (06:35):
Chichi Rodriguez died. Do you see that? No, remember the
golfer Chichi redrig Guez.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
He was the guy that had the he we'd like
take his golf club and dude like he was fencing
or whatever. I thought that, like I hated golf, my
dad was good at golf, like really good, and he
would like take us out the golf and he was
so that's the one person that I didn't take criticism from,
like well at all right, and.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
He was golfing. It was a miserable experience with me
for so long because of that.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
But we would watch golf Ontika's Dead Life Boys Call
and Cheechie Rodriguez was oneing.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I thought that dude was so cool because he would
do like the little fencing thing and all that. I
was like, man, that guy's cool.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
But see that, when we think about what golf was,
when we think about the prestige and the button up
mentality associated with the sport, but when you bring a
little flair to it, right, I little flamboyance to it.
It makes people gravitate to the sport. It's like, even
though I wouldn't say that tiger Woods were just kind
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of like over the top flamboyant, he would get his
signature tiger punch ye or whatever, but that made more
people watch. And this is where I think baseball needs
needs a lesson.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
He needs celebrities. He's stars.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
You need personalities to brand around it, and I see
that with the WNBA right now. The WNBA has got
a surge of popularity because of personalities like Angel Reesa Caplin, Klorek.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
That's because it's all about the WWE model, right. It's
you can't have a hero without a villain, right, So
sometimes you have to know this show was formed.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Yeah, so the villain. Okay, yeah, everyone knows that.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Memory one knows that the villain.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
He is the villain on the on the show. But
that's what you need because you can play that up.
Think about what basketball was the.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Magic and Bird. I mean that was the first that
was the real The NBA came into its own with
Magic and Bird. But then in the nineties you really
had it. Jordan whether you loved him or hated him.
You had pure villains like Dennis Rodman. You know, you
had to Xavier McDaniel.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
You the Knicks were kind of a villainous team, yes,
I mean, and you had the bad boy Pistons who
no one really liked them, right, and growing up in Miami,
Bill m Beard I didn't know him, I've never met
him before, but based on how I watched him play
because I'm the Celtics fan growing oath his existence.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Just hated him.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
And they can just beat Larry Bird up. You see
Larry Bird.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
You think, okay, well, Larry Bird is from Indiana, and
you think that you know what he's out about that
life until he punches.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
You in the face.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Larry Bird was about that. Yes, Yes, it's so funny. Yes,
it's so.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Funny to hear those guys talk stories about Larry Bird,
even on the USAT when he had a bad back
and he was at the end of his career, all
that kind of stuff. Bro, Larry was ridiculous, Like you
would not think that dude could do what he could do.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yes, And once again, this is why you need heroes
in villains.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
You need that in baseball. That's why the bat flip.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
You know, baseball purists, it bothers them, I don't care,
because it draws oys. Get some good fans, somebody to
be excited about baseball, because when you look at the
baseball kind of age demographic for the majority of the time,
I mean we looking at what fifty to sixty, right,
this sprinkle with some some young fans out there. But
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you got to find a way to cater to the
youngest fan. So play up to that, right when you
get show Hey or Tani, you know, Bryce Harper, get
those guys, the takings Smatt.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yeah, Baseball's it's interesting because baseball was the dominant sport
growing up that I remember. I mean, it was the
sport in fact in the you know kind of the
mid to late eighties and early nineties. You know, when
I was coming up, that was baseball. That was what
you aspired to. And then all of a sudden, it
was just a shift. And I don't know if it
was the strike or whatever, but I remember, all of
a sudden, me and my brother were about basketball and football.
(10:22):
Like it was like it was like overnight, how we
just dropped off baseball and we were on basketball football.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Well, the reason for me that kind of happened is
because what we're talking about right now, that the NBA
embraced the whole idea of the bad boy Pistons.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
They played that up even so much.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
So I don't know this for to be truthful, but
you got to think some of the officials allowed certain
things to go because that was the Piston style of basketball.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I mean, they beat Michael Jordan up too, Michael, So.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
They beat Michael up so bad he had to go
an offseason and gain.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
An extra fourteen fifty, right. But that's what you mean.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Even in the game of the NFL, if you say, okay,
right now, the one team that is the villain, that's
the that's the Kans City Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
That's the villain of the NFL right now because everyone's
looking up chasing the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
So now in order to get your place on the throne,
you have to dethrone them. But then you now become
that team that everyone hates. And I love that idea, man,
the underdog story with the teams you love to hate.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Mike Sandoval, by the way, was our winner earlier, so
shout out to Mike Sandoval.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I the NFL did a great job. I mean, not
that they didn't have personalities before, but really, once Jerry.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Hit the league, Once Jerry got the Cowboys, personalities became
a thing in the league. Because you had Irvin and
he was outspoken, you know, you kind of had I mean,
you had dynamic personalities and not that the league didn't
have before. Not that the league didn't have before, but
it really it seemed like an accelerated at that point
was Jerry Jones got to the NFL.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Was you see did you see today?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Jerry got quoted by one of the reporters down there
in Dallas asking about Ceede Lamb contract. He said, I
got no urgency to get that thne CD quote tweeted
it and just said, lol, well.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
What all about growing? Uh gasoline on the fire?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I mean, that doesn't help the situation because CD is
now feeling as though he's not appreciated. Now, obviously, Jerry
Jones is sitting in the seat as an owner where
he can do whatever he wants to do. But you
don't want to have a discronted player because the Cowboys
hadn't been relevant in some time and you need to
find a way to stay relevant. Now, Well, does that
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mean that Ceedee Lamb will end up staying with the Cowboys.
Probably not so when you talk about heroes and villains.
To the fans, Ceedee Lamb is a hero, right, Jerry
Jones is the villain now right.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
But you know how this works. You can go either way. Yes,
because to Broncos fans, Jerry Judy ain't the hero. He's
a villain right now. I don't care he's with the
Cleveland Browns. We'll see him, we'll beat up on him later.
But Ceedee Lamb and Dallas is the opposite situation. Ceede's
didn't see ownership, and it does if you're the owner,
and especially if you've been there a while and things
have been, you know, not where they needed to be
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and all that kind of stuff, and they don't see
you as a billionaire pushing that money to the table
to go get guys. The fans start to turn on you.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
See, Jerry's not in that position. I feel to take
make this certain comments that he's made because if he
was coming off of a Super Bowl, yes, obviously you
can do that. But the Cowboys hadn't been relevant in years.
So how do you feel as though you are have
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carte blanche to be on audacity to say what you
said about Ceedee Lamb, even though it may seem Willie miniscue.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I wonder Bill Belichick to let him say that kind
of stuff next year Broncos Country Night back.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
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Speaker 1 (14:19):
We're gonna run right out to the KA Common Spirital
hotline of bringing our guy Brand and Christal k you
were you were out of Canton when when Randy got enshrined,
Why don't you take us through his enshrinement and had
a chance to talk to you a while.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Yeah, it's always good to join you guys and Nick
welcome back to the dark side. But it might be
where you where you belong. At least you know it's
where your two feet are today. Right as so many
sports figures like to say, you got to be where
your two feet are right, but my two feet wearing
kent over the weekend. It was really cool because I
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wasn't sure if we were gonna get a chance to
go cover it. And then when the Towers that be said, hey,
you know what's go on out there, let's figure out
what's gonna take to get there. It was so cool
because only Chris Thomason from the Gazette was there, but
I don't know if he had any reaction with Randy.
The Broncos obviously had some of their you know, media
digital folks there and me and that was it. Okayaway
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was in the house, and I got to walk in
the parade with TJ and Randy. Nither had ever been
in the parade, and Randy had his high school marching band.
They lined up the Champion High School marching band and
they marched in front of Randy's car for the whole
two miles and so that was really cool. And then
the enshrinement obviously the lake because of rain, but then
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Randy delivered a home run speech. I think all the
speeches were great, and it's such a fun weekend and
I know that you guys have both been and to
see the joy not just for the Hall of famers
that are in, I mean the Hall of famers getting
in the first time, plus the hall of famers that
have been and welcomed this the most exclusive club in
sports really or certainly one of the few and most
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exclusive football. And then what it means to their family
and their friends that really were a part of their
journey from the time they picked up a football or
knew them before that obviously with some family and friends
and helped them along the way and followed him and
cheered for him and agonized when they had tough losses.
That it really just makes you enjoy not just sports
and football, but humanity right and understanding that, hey, even
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though these people are the greatest of the great that
have ever played this amazing game that we all love,
they're still just regular people and they have moms and
dads and cousins and aunts and uncles, sisters and kids.
And it was just awesome to be a part of.
And Randy waited far too long to be in based
on how great his career was. But as Tom Jackson said,
hopefully that broke the glass and some more members of
Orangebrush would be there. We know Mike Shanahan, Nick, one
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of your favorite people, will be there sooner than later.
And of course, when von Miller decides to call it
a career five years after that, we'll be there for
Vaughn's and Trenton as well.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
You know what, that's the most intriguing thing because when
we look at how many Broncos players who played for
Coachehan who are now in the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
he is not. Now you've been here, You've covered this
team a lot. Do you think with this next rotation
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Mike gets in and if he doesn't get in, what
does that say about the process itself?
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Well, the process is convoluted. And what's interesting talking to
the Hall of Famer is I think the coolest thing
they do is on Friday they have the Hall of
Fame lunching with just the Hall of famers, just gold
jackets with their you know, the new class, and the
guy that runs a Hall of Fame, whomever that may be.
It was David Bacon for a long time, and that's
an named Jim and I'm down a blank on Jim's
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or maybe uh. And they talk about all things Hall
of Fame, And because I was bringing up the idea.
I was talking with Andre Reid and jimbo Culvert about
why not every ten years do like a bigger class
to get caught up on so many guys that deserve
to be there, And they said they're actually going the
other way. It's gonna be hard. And I talked to
Leggy Jeff Legwald, who's a Denver voter, and he said, yeah,
they're gonna make it harder to get in. But because
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of the way they do it with the coach country,
your category rotating, and then the Senior Committee senior player.
So this year there are three senior players. Next year
it's one, maybe two coach contributors. But they're still trying
to put a senior in every year if I'm not mistaken.
And I don't know how they'll change the process. But
Mike basically lost to Don Coryell last time, and Mike
have so much reverence for Don Coryell, talking to Mike
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about it, talking to Kyle about how much Don Coryell
meant to Mike. He was fine with Don getting in
because it was long overdue there with how innovative he
was for offense in the game of football. But if
let's say Robert Kraft gets in, and some people think
that that documentary may have worked against him, even though
he's a gold standard owner and they won six titles
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in his ownership, that you know, picking on Bill Belichick
or treating him the way that documentary came across may
actually hurt his chances to get in sooner than later.
But yeah, Mike should be basically on deck as the
next guy up based on resumes for coaches that aren't
in yet in terms of his success, and then when
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you look at what he's met to the game and
his coaching tree and where the game has evolved because
of Mike.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah, I talk with Brenda Cristal here or who's out
there in Canton. I there's a couple of head coaches
that kind of a fuddle mate. The're naughty and Mike obviously,
what if the George c for Tom Cofflin. Both those
guys won two Super Bowls and it feels like that's
the standard.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
We talk a little bit about Sean Payton and his
legacy and how he's cognizant of the fact that if
he wants to make the Hall, he's probably gonna have
to do something that no one has ever done before
that's won a super Bowl with two different teams, given
the fact that you know he has won one, but
you know he's got some red in his ledger with
some of the scandal stuff. Is there a sense that
Sean Payton, if he wins one here is a lock
to win to get the Hall.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
I would think so, because it will separate him from
all of his contemporaries, Say for Andy Reid, and you
could argue, you know, Andy is a little bit older
than Sean, and Sean kind of came after him. But
and you know, Andy is a lock for the Hall
of Fame whenever he decides to hang it up, right,
we know this will be his last stop. So five
years after Andy's done, and maybe that's this year with
the three wins in four years and what all the
winning he did in Philly and certainly now in Casey
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he'll be in. But when you let's talk about those
other guys, Pete Carroll, John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin. We know
Bill Cower got in and Mike Tomlin probably gets into
just based on their excellence. Even if he doesn't win
another Super Bowl. Mike McCarthy's never going to get in
because as we've covered he's the worst coach that ever
won a Super Bowl, and hopefully the Cowboys fire him
sooner than later. But when you look at all those
other guys that I mentioned, the way that Sewan can
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separate himself because we know how much he did win
in New ORNs and the scandal stuff, honestly, it almost
feels like it's more Sean has an issue with the league, right,
so the league has nothing to do with the Hall
of Fame honestly in terms of and not getting a
wrong with rogers Dell maybe or wanting to go to
dinner with him necessarily won't I don't think hold up
his induction. But he's not getting in ahead of any
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of those guys that headed John Harpball, ahead of Mike
Tomlin ahead to see Carroll if he doesn't have that
second ring. But if he can't win a second ring
here or somewhere else, but let's certainly cross our fingers
that it's here, then I think that does make him
a slam dunk because you look at all the winning,
you look at the offensive numbers and what he Andrew
Brees were able to do and with those offenses, and
then to go to a second place and be the
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first guy to win a Super Bowl. If he has,
in fact that in two locations with you know, two franchises,
I think that that cements his legacy and then it
just becomes a question of you know, house soon he
gets in with the other people that are around him
that are that are also eligible, like the George Seferts
and Tom Cofflins. If they're not in by then all.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Right, So it's almost game time le Broncos first preseason
matchup against the Indianapolis coach.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
What are you going to be turning in for looking
for on Sunday?
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Well, obviously the way the snaps break down, specifically with
the quarterbacks. And this is something that I was able
to talk to Cruise with the other day before that
parade because you're there and righting the baraders Andre Johnson,
We're able to sit and have breakfast with him and
he's asking me about the quarterback battle and then kind
of just talking about them in generally. But yeah, it's
so hard because of the way these preseason games are
set up. He's like, you basically would have to leave
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your stars and the whole time with whomever you want
to look at to get a good look. So let's
say it's Jarret Stidham this week and Boone next next week.
You'd have to play your starters well towards halftime. And
I don't think they want to do that with certainly
their offensive line. The four guys that we know are
locked in at starter. Do you don't want to do
it with Courtland Sutton and guys like that. You don't
want to do it with with your backs necessarily, although
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those guys are young and you probably got to continue
to work them other than samajip Ryan. So I think
it's about looking at those battles on the other side. Honestly,
when you get past the quarterbacks and it's linebacker with
Cody Barton Jonah Griffin. Is something that I asked Sean
about yesterday and asked Vance about today. How easy is
it for them to separate? And He's like, really, especially
with games, that's a VJ set today. But then the
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cornerback spot, you know Levi Wallace, I like his chances
to maybe win the starting job if he was going
to participate in the preseason, But if his hamstring I
believe it is, or if his leg's not letting him
because he has to you know, chill out and just
get healthy. Then it is a two man race between
Riley Massin and Mariy Mathis. So I want to see
how that shakes out. And then those young safeties that
are opposite of PJ. Lockwell, Brandon Jones, we think he
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is going to start and they brought him in the start.
Well he's on the shelf. How do Jail Skinner and
Devin Key look? So those are the spots. I'm really
focused on those three on defense and see seeing how
you know Cody and Jonas and themselves, because they'll likely
play more snaps than obviously Alex Singleton will, and honestly,
after Alex is out there, they'll probably be out there
together fair amount, I think, likely through the entire first half.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Okay, there's kind of there's kind of an echo chamber
or a bubble, I guess, surrounding the quarterback stuff here.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
It's all anybody wants to talk about.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
But if you step back and you look at the
broader conversation about rookie quarterbacks and this season in the NFL,
for all the quarterbacks that were drafted early, it sort
of seems quiet, doesn't it. I mean, you haven't heard
much about Caleb Williams. We've heard the Drake May has
been struggling. Jayden Daniels is the de facto starter in Washington.
Pandicks didn't going to play this year, probably unless Kirk
Cousins get hurt and you got both. It really has
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felt it's felt rather quiet on the rookie quarterback front,
despite the hype of the club.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Yeah, and I think that may get a little louder Ben,
But you're right, I think just in the coming weeks, right,
because we're going to see these guys a little bit.
It's not a lot, and you know that's going to
break down by a team. But yeah, I haven't heard
much about JJ McCarthy other than probably Sam Donald's gonna
start League one, right, and they're gonna let JJ continue
to just learn and grow and age, right, he's only
twenty two years old. But yeah, we've heard this stuff
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about Drake May. I think part of it too, though,
is that Washington doesn't seem relevant right the Broncos because
of the Sean Payton factor and moving on from Russ
and did they reach for bon Nicks, They're being talked
about more loudly. I think because some people are picking
the Bears to win a bunch of games. I'm not
one of them because I just want to see it right.
I don't know if Matt E. Refluce is a good coach.
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I don't know Shan Walden's a great play caller. I
love Caleb Williams sallon and I hope he ends up
being really good because we could use more really good
quarterbacks to see and have on our fantasy teams. And
they know they're going to win games every week. But
I think that because the Broncos are just a round
jewel kind of franchise that's a slight slight Washington or Chicago,
they just haven't been necessarily really good for a long time.
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And and so I think that we're hearing a little
bit more about bo Nicks and John Payton factors into that,
But in general, I think once we see these games
get going and we start seeing these guys play, and
I think it's more people watch hard knocks and see
Caleb Williams a little bit and understand why he carries
a purse and just the kind of guy he is
and get to know him, then that buzzle get a
little louder. But I think We're just reminded that with
looking at Dak and looking at Kirk Cousins, and looking
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at at some of the other quarterbacks Joe Burrow coming
off injury, who I like a lot more than maybe
some people are worried, you know, Nate Jackson, and I
debate that a lot because he's little been healthy two
of four years. They're just really have that many good quarterbacks.
So it'll be great if a couple of these guys
turn out to be really good. And even in that
category of Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, let alone, whatever the
tier is above them, if there is one that they
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can get to that isn't you know, the true Patrick
Mahomes superstar tier. And so I'm hoping, like there's two
things I'm watching in the preseason darting quarterbacks whenever they're
in if they play, we know Aaron Rodders won't play,
we know to won't play. And the kickoff, right, we
just want to see kickoffs and how does every single
team handle it? Where are the vulnerabilities and what are
what are what is your favorite team in this case,
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what are the Broncos going to do? Or if you've
got a team you like, how are they going to
handle it both as a kicking team and then as
a return team, because it feels like if you feel
it clean a couple of blocks, if you've got if
you've got it blocked up right and schemed up right,
there's gonna be some big, big returns this year that
we haven't seen in a long time.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how the new rule
shakes out.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Hasn't been much excitement in the preseason that thus far,
but we'll see, uh if people start to tip their
hand maybe a little bit as it goes along. Me
can we we appreciate you joining us. Look forward to
talking to you again next week.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Sound great, Thank guys.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Absolutely take care of Brennan christall or anyway Broncos and
well kind of do everything beat reporter as he covers
the nuggets ads, you know, gets out there to the
Hall of Fame and handles all that stuff for us,
and he got some good interviews with Randy Gratis shar
If you guys want to see that as a great
intere that. I think it's up on the Kwai Twitter
page as well. I think Broncos fans are hoping that
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bo obviously hits the Pat Mahomes tier, and not that
fans are crying tears of regret after drafting him. I
made the comparison, and everybody, of course hates me for it,
because that's what people do.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
They hate me.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
But to me, what I've seen of bo Nick so
far reminds me a lot of Derek Carr. You know,
guy who gets rid of the ball quick, you'll take
off and run, use his legs a little bit, that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
You don't like it.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
I don't know if you want to.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I'm not saying I want to. I'm saying that's what
I'm seeing.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
That's what you're seeing.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Is there not another quarterback in the NFL that you
could have looked at Bow and say, okay, well he
may look similar to this guy. Because the comparison to
Derek Carr, not just because Car played for the Raiders,
is the fact that there are a lot of fans.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Who don't really think very highly which I think Car.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, I think that's a litmus test for people that
really pay attention to football, because there Car was the
top half of the league quarterback. I mean he is,
He's not top five, But when if you were sitting
there picking quarterbacks and came up your tay, you'd find
him somewhere between depending on how much you value him
and all that kind of stuff. You pick him somewhere
between twelve fifteen.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Probably.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
See, here's what I like to do with with players.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I know, we live in a world of sports and
it's all about you know who does this player remind
us of? Body language? The way they throw the ball,
the way they carry themselves. I'm like, can't bow Nicks
just beat Bo Nicks?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Can we do? We have to compare him to somebody?
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Well?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Only required? No, it's part of the contract.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Wait wait, I don't see this contract for broncos Cony
fine print down there at the bottom.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Required to make hot take comparisons. No, damn that with
the hot takes, let Bo Nicks.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Be Bo Nixon. This is the half of the problem.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
When we start evaluating quarterbacks, we always compare them them
to someone else and not allowing them to step into
their own shoes.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
There was somebody a couple of years ago and they said,
what is it like being the second so and so?
And he's like, it's the second so and so, I'm
the first me. Yeah, that kind of thing and that
sort of resonates.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I like to I'm looking forward to seeing what Bo
can do on the field. I'm looking forward to seeing
this preseason game and getting some reps out there and
fans finally get a chance, you know, to kind of see.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
What it is that he does see.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
I'm hoping at some point in pre in preseason these
over these three games, doesn't have to be the game
on Sunday. It would be great if he was. But
to see Bo and Troy on the field at the
same time, and knowing as these guys have some kind
of symmetry with one another because they played at Oregon,
why not dig into crates and put some of their
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greatest hits together so fans can actually see what this
combination could be down the line.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah, I think that's I think that's something we're gonna
talk about this first preseason game.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
We come back.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
What did the Broncos need to do? What can they
not have happen? Those are all things we're going to
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Grant Smith also does some work Lars'sersation KBCL where he's
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I believe now we don't really talk about ratings, and
we want to talk about, you know, our show's ratings
or whatever. Not that anybody in town will run anything
against us. It's all national programming. It's the only live
and local show you get at this time slot for
a reason. But humble brac Grant, this is about you.
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You hit number one for the first time, did you not?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Actually two months in a row.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Now here we go, he's got a streak, hot streaking
street Smith.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Going over there, We just wanted to give you.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Give your flowers, man, and we'll be happy we get
to get back there in studio.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
See that mustache and olds. Gloriousness. I can't wait to
see you guys in person again. Five sixty six nine.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
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We did get somebody qualified for tickets earlier. Your next
chance to do that I'll be I think between eight
thirty and ninety nine thirty tomorrow morning on Colorado Morning News.
So you guys want to keep it locked in there
if you didn't get in this time.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Do we know who was qualified their grit? Yes, but
I forget his name.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Oh okay, well we congratulate you. So a lot going
on around the league real quick. I wanted to touch
on justin the course Simmons had dinner with the UH
went over worked out with Norman Saints, and uh Gumbo
had dinner out there.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I think part of that.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
My personal read on that, based on what I know,
is that that was a leverage play to get another
team to get the button gear and get things done.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Obviously there was no deal that it came to fruition.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
There doesn't mean they won't be but interesting that Joe Woods,
a defensive coordinator there, obviously was here when Justin was drafted,
so there is a relationship there. And I think people
are interested in seeing where Justin Simmons winds up could
be could be with the team that Denver Broncas are
playing this weekend.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Well, I know that was some conversation before it's training
camp started that Justin could end up in Indiana with
Indianapolis Coats. For me, look, man, I would love to
see Justin back in the uniform.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I still think he.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Has some gas in the tank based on what he
did last season with the Denver Broncos. Definitely showed it.
And if I'm not mistaken, the top one hundred, wasn't
he like in that forty fifty range or something like that?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
And I hate, first of all, I hate that. I
hate the NFL Top one.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
What do you hate it?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I hate it because it's clickbait. It's rage bait. They
deliberately like put that, they put like Papa Holmes, like
fourth or something on that list. I'm like, guess the
dumbest thing I've ever seen it.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
It's rage bit.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
It's designed to get people talking by putting guys in
the wrong number and then get you talking about what
they should have been high, they should have been lower.
And it works because what we're talking about it right now.
But that's the point. It's clickbait, it's rage bait.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Well, this is what the NFL does better than any
other professional league out there. They know how to make
even their off season something relative to be very conversational.
They got a PhD in it. Everyone else is trying
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to catch. Just think about first, well, I think it was,
was it twenty four years ago they came up with
hard knocks, they're.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Still doing it. Then it was in the season hard knocks,
and then they got hard.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Knocks with the Giants, like who're the one to watch
Brian Dabele and the Giants go through hard knock. No
one really wants to do it, but guess what, because
it's football, people are going to tune in even if they.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Don't like it. It's the same way where.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
When Madden Football comes out.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
With the ratings, right and they are the overall ratings
a Madding are underly meaningless. They don't affect how a
player plays in the game. Nothing say for you. You
say that, right, well, they should not matter. They don't,
but they matter to players. Well, yeah, players, you got
me on a ninety three, I'm a ninety six. Yes.
(04:22):
I remember our running back here who was mad about
his speed rating and asked me to go to Gordon.
That's just right around that time though, Okay, okay, just
saying so they ask you, could.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
You talk to people you run?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Asked me because they know that I know the yes,
two guys over mad to run the three and so
they were They're like, dude, you gotta.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Get my you got to get my acceleration up.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Man.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
They got me an eighty nine with a ninety speed.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
That ain't it, you know?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And I'm like, what kind of power do you think
I have here?
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Right?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
And you think that players should not care about something
like that, but they do because they know that they're
more people friends, guys they.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Went to college with, you know, maybe some exes.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Right, the girlfriends made their boyfriend new boordfriend might be playing,
and they don't want their numbers to be perceived to
be low, so they want to make sure that they changed.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I think one time I think was hard Knocks with
the Raiders, and.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
The players saw the guys from EA Sports there and
they were trying to butter them up, trying to figure out, hey,
look what are my scores going to be? And can
you up my score? Because it matters to them, even
though in a grand scheme of things, you're not getting
any extra incentive bonuses because of that contract. No, just wait,
could you imagine if guys Madden ratings were tied to.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
UH to their contract and the contract incentives bro.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
When they when they adjust the ratings in season all
sudden game.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Or something, because you know, like in the game itself,
if a guy gets injured in the regular season the
way I understand that the game actually shows that.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
As well, Yeah, injured, you take you out of lineup right,
I can't play with them.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
So it would be wild to watch you guys actual.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Financing numbers in real time drop because of their Madden readings.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
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going to join a spot in the argot, a chance
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Speaker 2 (06:20):
Hall of Fame, all that kind of stuff. You guys
will stick around for that.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Steve Attwanner joined us in the first hour you missed
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Speaker 2 (06:35):
Chichi Rodriguez died. Do you see that? No, remember the
golfer Chichi redrig Guez.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
He was the guy that had the he we'd like
take his golf club and dude like he was fencing
or whatever. I thought that, like I hated golf, my
dad was good at golf, like really good, and he
would like take us out the golf and he was
so that's the one person that I didn't take criticism from,
like well at all right, and.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
He was golfing. It was a miserable experience with me
for so long because of that.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
But we would watch golf Ontika's Dead Life Boys Call
and Cheechie Rodriguez was oneing.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I thought that dude was so cool because he would
do like the little fencing thing and all that. I
was like, man, that guy's cool.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
But see that, when we think about what golf was,
when we think about the prestige and the button up
mentality associated with the sport, but when you bring a
little flair to it, right, I little flamboyance to it.
It makes people gravitate to the sport. It's like, even
though I wouldn't say that tiger Woods were just kind
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of like over the top flamboyant, he would get his
signature tiger punch ye or whatever, but that made more
people watch. And this is where I think baseball needs
needs a lesson.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
He needs celebrities. He's stars.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
You need personalities to brand around it, and I see
that with the WNBA right now. The WNBA has got
a surge of popularity because of personalities like Angel Reesa Caplin, Klorek.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
That's because it's all about the WWE model, right. It's
you can't have a hero without a villain, right, So
sometimes you have to know this show was formed.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Yeah, so the villain. Okay, yeah, everyone knows that.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Memory one knows that the villain.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
He is the villain on the on the show. But
that's what you need because you can play that up.
Think about what basketball was the.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Magic and Bird. I mean that was the first that
was the real The NBA came into its own with
Magic and Bird. But then in the nineties you really
had it. Jordan whether you loved him or hated him.
You had pure villains like Dennis Rodman. You know, you
had to Xavier McDaniel.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
You the Knicks were kind of a villainous team, yes,
I mean, and you had the bad boy Pistons who
no one really liked them, right, and growing up in Miami,
Bill m Beard I didn't know him, I've never met
him before, but based on how I watched him play
because I'm the Celtics fan growing oath his existence.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Just hated him.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
And they can just beat Larry Bird up. You see
Larry Bird.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
You think, okay, well, Larry Bird is from Indiana, and
you think that you know what he's out about that
life until he punches.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
You in the face.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Larry Bird was about that. Yes, Yes, it's so funny. Yes,
it's so.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Funny to hear those guys talk stories about Larry Bird,
even on the USAT when he had a bad back
and he was at the end of his career, all
that kind of stuff. Bro, Larry was ridiculous, Like you
would not think that dude could do what he could do.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yes, And once again, this is why you need heroes
in villains.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
You need that in baseball. That's why the bat flip.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
You know, baseball purists, it bothers them, I don't care,
because it draws oys. Get some good fans, somebody to
be excited about baseball, because when you look at the
baseball kind of age demographic for the majority of the time,
I mean we looking at what fifty to sixty, right,
this sprinkle with some some young fans out there. But
(09:51):
you got to find a way to cater to the
youngest fan. So play up to that, right when you
get show Hey or Tani, you know, Bryce Harper, get
those guys, the takings Smatt.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yeah, Baseball's it's interesting because baseball was the dominant sport
growing up that I remember. I mean, it was the
sport in fact in the you know kind of the
mid to late eighties and early nineties. You know, when
I was coming up, that was baseball. That was what
you aspired to. And then all of a sudden, it
was just a shift. And I don't know if it
was the strike or whatever, but I remember, all of
a sudden, me and my brother were about basketball and football.
(10:22):
Like it was like it was like overnight, how we
just dropped off baseball and we were on basketball football.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Well, the reason for me that kind of happened is
because what we're talking about right now, that the NBA
embraced the whole idea of the bad boy Pistons.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
They played that up even so much.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
So I don't know this for to be truthful, but
you got to think some of the officials allowed certain
things to go because that was the Piston style of basketball.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I mean, they beat Michael Jordan up too, Michael, So.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
They beat Michael up so bad he had to go
an offseason and gain.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
An extra fourteen fifty, right. But that's what you mean.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Even in the game of the NFL, if you say, okay,
right now, the one team that is the villain, that's
the that's the Kans City Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
That's the villain of the NFL right now because everyone's
looking up chasing the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
So now in order to get your place on the throne,
you have to dethrone them. But then you now become
that team that everyone hates. And I love that idea, man,
the underdog story with the teams you love to hate.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Mike Sandoval, by the way, was our winner earlier, so
shout out to Mike Sandoval.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I the NFL did a great job. I mean, not
that they didn't have personalities before, but really, once Jerry.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Hit the league, Once Jerry got the Cowboys, personalities became
a thing in the league. Because you had Irvin and
he was outspoken, you know, you kind of had I mean,
you had dynamic personalities and not that the league didn't
have before. Not that the league didn't have before, but
it really it seemed like an accelerated at that point
was Jerry Jones got to the NFL.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Was you see did you see today?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Jerry got quoted by one of the reporters down there
in Dallas asking about Ceede Lamb contract. He said, I
got no urgency to get that thne CD quote tweeted
it and just said, lol, well.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
What all about growing? Uh gasoline on the fire?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I mean, that doesn't help the situation because CD is
now feeling as though he's not appreciated. Now, obviously, Jerry
Jones is sitting in the seat as an owner where
he can do whatever he wants to do. But you
don't want to have a discronted player because the Cowboys
hadn't been relevant in some time and you need to
find a way to stay relevant. Now, Well, does that
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mean that Ceedee Lamb will end up staying with the Cowboys.
Probably not so when you talk about heroes and villains.
To the fans, Ceedee Lamb is a hero, right, Jerry
Jones is the villain now right.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
But you know how this works. You can go either way. Yes,
because to Broncos fans, Jerry Judy ain't the hero. He's
a villain right now. I don't care he's with the
Cleveland Browns. We'll see him, we'll beat up on him later.
But Ceedee Lamb and Dallas is the opposite situation. Ceede's
didn't see ownership, and it does if you're the owner,
and especially if you've been there a while and things
have been, you know, not where they needed to be
(13:19):
and all that kind of stuff, and they don't see
you as a billionaire pushing that money to the table
to go get guys. The fans start to turn on you.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
See, Jerry's not in that position. I feel to take
make this certain comments that he's made because if he
was coming off of a Super Bowl, yes, obviously you
can do that. But the Cowboys hadn't been relevant in years.
So how do you feel as though you are have
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carte blanche to be on audacity to say what you
said about Ceedee Lamb, even though it may seem Willie miniscue.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I wonder Bill Belichick to let him say that kind
of stuff next year Broncos Country Night back.
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We're gonna run right out to the KA Common Spirital
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Why don't you take us through his enshrinement and had
a chance to talk to you a while.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Yeah, it's always good to join you guys and Nick
welcome back to the dark side. But it might be
where you where you belong. At least you know it's
where your two feet are today. Right as so many
sports figures like to say, you got to be where
your two feet are right, but my two feet wearing
kent over the weekend. It was really cool because I
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wasn't sure if we were gonna get a chance to
go cover it. And then when the Towers that be said, hey,
you know what's go on out there, let's figure out
what's gonna take to get there. It was so cool
because only Chris Thomason from the Gazette was there, but
I don't know if he had any reaction with Randy.
The Broncos obviously had some of their you know, media
digital folks there and me and that was it. Okayaway
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was in the house, and I got to walk in
the parade with TJ and Randy. Nither had ever been
in the parade, and Randy had his high school marching band.
They lined up the Champion High School marching band and
they marched in front of Randy's car for the whole
two miles and so that was really cool. And then
the enshrinement obviously the lake because of rain, but then
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Randy delivered a home run speech. I think all the
speeches were great, and it's such a fun weekend and
I know that you guys have both been and to
see the joy not just for the Hall of famers
that are in, I mean the Hall of famers getting
in the first time, plus the hall of famers that
have been and welcomed this the most exclusive club in
sports really or certainly one of the few and most
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exclusive football. And then what it means to their family
and their friends that really were a part of their
journey from the time they picked up a football or
knew them before that obviously with some family and friends
and helped them along the way and followed him and
cheered for him and agonized when they had tough losses.
That it really just makes you enjoy not just sports
and football, but humanity right and understanding that, hey, even
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though these people are the greatest of the great that
have ever played this amazing game that we all love,
they're still just regular people and they have moms and
dads and cousins and aunts and uncles, sisters and kids.
And it was just awesome to be a part of.
And Randy waited far too long to be in based
on how great his career was. But as Tom Jackson said,
hopefully that broke the glass and some more members of
Orangebrush would be there. We know Mike Shanahan, Nick, one
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of your favorite people, will be there sooner than later.
And of course, when von Miller decides to call it
a career five years after that, we'll be there for
Vaughn's and Trenton as well.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
You know what, that's the most intriguing thing because when
we look at how many Broncos players who played for
Coachehan who are now in the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
he is not. Now you've been here, You've covered this
team a lot. Do you think with this next rotation
(17:09):
Mike gets in and if he doesn't get in, what
does that say about the process itself?
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Well, the process is convoluted. And what's interesting talking to
the Hall of Famer is I think the coolest thing
they do is on Friday they have the Hall of
Fame lunching with just the Hall of famers, just gold
jackets with their you know, the new class, and the
guy that runs a Hall of Fame, whomever that may be.
It was David Bacon for a long time, and that's
an named Jim and I'm down a blank on Jim's
(17:35):
or maybe uh. And they talk about all things Hall
of Fame, And because I was bringing up the idea.
I was talking with Andre Reid and jimbo Culvert about
why not every ten years do like a bigger class
to get caught up on so many guys that deserve
to be there, And they said they're actually going the
other way. It's gonna be hard. And I talked to
Leggy Jeff Legwald, who's a Denver voter, and he said, yeah,
they're gonna make it harder to get in. But because
(17:58):
of the way they do it with the coach country,
your category rotating, and then the Senior Committee senior player.
So this year there are three senior players. Next year
it's one, maybe two coach contributors. But they're still trying
to put a senior in every year if I'm not mistaken.
And I don't know how they'll change the process. But
Mike basically lost to Don Coryell last time, and Mike
have so much reverence for Don Coryell, talking to Mike
(18:18):
about it, talking to Kyle about how much Don Coryell
meant to Mike. He was fine with Don getting in
because it was long overdue there with how innovative he
was for offense in the game of football. But if
let's say Robert Kraft gets in, and some people think
that that documentary may have worked against him, even though
he's a gold standard owner and they won six titles
(18:38):
in his ownership, that you know, picking on Bill Belichick
or treating him the way that documentary came across may
actually hurt his chances to get in sooner than later.
But yeah, Mike should be basically on deck as the
next guy up based on resumes for coaches that aren't
in yet in terms of his success, and then when
(18:58):
you look at what he's met to the game and
his coaching tree and where the game has evolved because
of Mike.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah, I talk with Brenda Cristal here or who's out
there in Canton. I there's a couple of head coaches
that kind of a fuddle mate. The're naughty and Mike obviously,
what if the George c for Tom Cofflin. Both those
guys won two Super Bowls and it feels like that's
the standard.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
We talk a little bit about Sean Payton and his
legacy and how he's cognizant of the fact that if
he wants to make the Hall, he's probably gonna have
to do something that no one has ever done before
that's won a super Bowl with two different teams, given
the fact that you know he has won one, but
you know he's got some red in his ledger with
some of the scandal stuff. Is there a sense that
Sean Payton, if he wins one here is a lock
to win to get the Hall.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
I would think so, because it will separate him from
all of his contemporaries, Say for Andy Reid, and you
could argue, you know, Andy is a little bit older
than Sean, and Sean kind of came after him. But
and you know, Andy is a lock for the Hall
of Fame whenever he decides to hang it up, right,
we know this will be his last stop. So five
years after Andy's done, and maybe that's this year with
the three wins in four years and what all the
winning he did in Philly and certainly now in Casey
(20:03):
he'll be in. But when you let's talk about those
other guys, Pete Carroll, John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin. We know
Bill Cower got in and Mike Tomlin probably gets into
just based on their excellence. Even if he doesn't win
another Super Bowl. Mike McCarthy's never going to get in
because as we've covered he's the worst coach that ever
won a Super Bowl, and hopefully the Cowboys fire him
sooner than later. But when you look at all those
other guys that I mentioned, the way that Sewan can
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separate himself because we know how much he did win
in New ORNs and the scandal stuff, honestly, it almost
feels like it's more Sean has an issue with the league, right,
so the league has nothing to do with the Hall
of Fame honestly in terms of and not getting a
wrong with rogers Dell maybe or wanting to go to
dinner with him necessarily won't I don't think hold up
his induction. But he's not getting in ahead of any
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of those guys that headed John Harpball, ahead of Mike
Tomlin ahead to see Carroll if he doesn't have that
second ring. But if he can't win a second ring
here or somewhere else, but let's certainly cross our fingers
that it's here, then I think that does make him
a slam dunk because you look at all the winning,
you look at the offensive numbers and what he Andrew
Brees were able to do and with those offenses, and
then to go to a second place and be the
(21:08):
first guy to win a Super Bowl. If he has,
in fact that in two locations with you know, two franchises,
I think that that cements his legacy and then it
just becomes a question of you know, house soon he
gets in with the other people that are around him
that are that are also eligible, like the George Seferts
and Tom Cofflins. If they're not in by then all.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Right, So it's almost game time le Broncos first preseason
matchup against the Indianapolis coach.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
What are you going to be turning in for looking
for on Sunday?
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Well, obviously the way the snaps break down, specifically with
the quarterbacks. And this is something that I was able
to talk to Cruise with the other day before that
parade because you're there and righting the baraders Andre Johnson,
We're able to sit and have breakfast with him and
he's asking me about the quarterback battle and then kind
of just talking about them in generally. But yeah, it's
so hard because of the way these preseason games are
set up. He's like, you basically would have to leave
(21:58):
your stars and the whole time with whomever you want
to look at to get a good look. So let's
say it's Jarret Stidham this week and Boone next next week.
You'd have to play your starters well towards halftime. And
I don't think they want to do that with certainly
their offensive line. The four guys that we know are
locked in at starter. Do you don't want to do
it with Courtland Sutton and guys like that. You don't
want to do it with with your backs necessarily, although
(22:19):
those guys are young and you probably got to continue
to work them other than samajip Ryan. So I think
it's about looking at those battles on the other side. Honestly,
when you get past the quarterbacks and it's linebacker with
Cody Barton Jonah Griffin. Is something that I asked Sean
about yesterday and asked Vance about today. How easy is
it for them to separate? And He's like, really, especially
with games, that's a VJ set today. But then the
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cornerback spot, you know Levi Wallace, I like his chances
to maybe win the starting job if he was going
to participate in the preseason, But if his hamstring I
believe it is, or if his leg's not letting him
because he has to you know, chill out and just
get healthy. Then it is a two man race between
Riley Massin and Mariy Mathis. So I want to see
how that shakes out. And then those young safeties that
are opposite of PJ. Lockwell, Brandon Jones, we think he
(23:02):
is going to start and they brought him in the start.
Well he's on the shelf. How do Jail Skinner and
Devin Key look? So those are the spots. I'm really
focused on those three on defense and see seeing how
you know Cody and Jonas and themselves, because they'll likely
play more snaps than obviously Alex Singleton will, and honestly,
after Alex is out there, they'll probably be out there
together fair amount, I think, likely through the entire first half.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Okay, there's kind of there's kind of an echo chamber
or a bubble, I guess, surrounding the quarterback stuff here.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
It's all anybody wants to talk about.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
But if you step back and you look at the
broader conversation about rookie quarterbacks and this season in the NFL,
for all the quarterbacks that were drafted early, it sort
of seems quiet, doesn't it. I mean, you haven't heard
much about Caleb Williams. We've heard the Drake May has
been struggling. Jayden Daniels is the de facto starter in Washington.
Pandicks didn't going to play this year, probably unless Kirk
Cousins get hurt and you got both. It really has
(23:55):
felt it's felt rather quiet on the rookie quarterback front,
despite the hype of the club.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Yeah, and I think that may get a little louder Ben,
But you're right, I think just in the coming weeks, right,
because we're going to see these guys a little bit.
It's not a lot, and you know that's going to
break down by a team. But yeah, I haven't heard
much about JJ McCarthy other than probably Sam Donald's gonna
start League one, right, and they're gonna let JJ continue
to just learn and grow and age, right, he's only
twenty two years old. But yeah, we've heard this stuff
(24:21):
about Drake May. I think part of it too, though,
is that Washington doesn't seem relevant right the Broncos because
of the Sean Payton factor and moving on from Russ
and did they reach for bon Nicks, They're being talked
about more loudly. I think because some people are picking
the Bears to win a bunch of games. I'm not
one of them because I just want to see it right.
I don't know if Matt E. Refluce is a good coach.
(24:43):
I don't know Shan Walden's a great play caller. I
love Caleb Williams sallon and I hope he ends up
being really good because we could use more really good
quarterbacks to see and have on our fantasy teams. And
they know they're going to win games every week. But
I think that because the Broncos are just a round
jewel kind of franchise that's a slight slight Washington or Chicago,
they just haven't been necessarily really good for a long time.
(25:06):
And and so I think that we're hearing a little
bit more about bo Nicks and John Payton factors into that,
But in general, I think once we see these games
get going and we start seeing these guys play, and
I think it's more people watch hard knocks and see
Caleb Williams a little bit and understand why he carries
a purse and just the kind of guy he is
and get to know him, then that buzzle get a
little louder. But I think We're just reminded that with
looking at Dak and looking at Kirk Cousins, and looking
(25:28):
at at some of the other quarterbacks Joe Burrow coming
off injury, who I like a lot more than maybe
some people are worried, you know, Nate Jackson, and I
debate that a lot because he's little been healthy two
of four years. They're just really have that many good quarterbacks.
So it'll be great if a couple of these guys
turn out to be really good. And even in that
category of Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, let alone, whatever the
tier is above them, if there is one that they
(25:51):
can get to that isn't you know, the true Patrick
Mahomes superstar tier. And so I'm hoping, like there's two
things I'm watching in the preseason darting quarterbacks whenever they're
in if they play, we know Aaron Rodders won't play,
we know to won't play. And the kickoff, right, we
just want to see kickoffs and how does every single
team handle it? Where are the vulnerabilities and what are
what are what is your favorite team in this case,
(26:13):
what are the Broncos going to do? Or if you've
got a team you like, how are they going to
handle it both as a kicking team and then as
a return team, because it feels like if you feel
it clean a couple of blocks, if you've got if
you've got it blocked up right and schemed up right,
there's gonna be some big, big returns this year that
we haven't seen in a long time.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how the new rule
shakes out.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Hasn't been much excitement in the preseason that thus far,
but we'll see, uh if people start to tip their
hand maybe a little bit as it goes along. Me
can we we appreciate you joining us. Look forward to
talking to you again next week.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Sound great, Thank guys.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Absolutely take care of Brennan christall or anyway Broncos and
well kind of do everything beat reporter as he covers
the nuggets ads, you know, gets out there to the
Hall of Fame and handles all that stuff for us,
and he got some good interviews with Randy Gratis shar
If you guys want to see that as a great
intere that. I think it's up on the Kwai Twitter
page as well. I think Broncos fans are hoping that
(27:07):
bo obviously hits the Pat Mahomes tier, and not that
fans are crying tears of regret after drafting him. I
made the comparison, and everybody, of course hates me for it,
because that's what people do.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
They hate me.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
But to me, what I've seen of bo Nick so
far reminds me a lot of Derek Carr. You know,
guy who gets rid of the ball quick, you'll take
off and run, use his legs a little bit, that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
You don't like it.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
I don't know if you want to.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I'm not saying I want to. I'm saying that's what
I'm seeing.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
That's what you're seeing.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Is there not another quarterback in the NFL that you
could have looked at Bow and say, okay, well he
may look similar to this guy. Because the comparison to
Derek Carr, not just because Car played for the Raiders,
is the fact that there are a lot of fans.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Who don't really think very highly which I think Car.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, I think that's a litmus test for people that
really pay attention to football, because there Car was the
top half of the league quarterback. I mean he is,
He's not top five, But when if you were sitting
there picking quarterbacks and came up your tay, you'd find
him somewhere between depending on how much you value him
and all that kind of stuff. You pick him somewhere
between twelve fifteen.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Probably.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
See, here's what I like to do with with players.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I know, we live in a world of sports and
it's all about you know who does this player remind
us of? Body language? The way they throw the ball,
the way they carry themselves. I'm like, can't bow Nicks
just beat Bo Nicks?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Can we do? We have to compare him to somebody?
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Well?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Only required? No, it's part of the contract.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Wait wait, I don't see this contract for broncos Cony
fine print down there at the bottom.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Required to make hot take comparisons. No, damn that with
the hot takes, let Bo Nicks.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Be Bo Nixon. This is the half of the problem.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
When we start evaluating quarterbacks, we always compare them them
to someone else and not allowing them to step into
their own shoes.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
There was somebody a couple of years ago and they said,
what is it like being the second so and so?
And he's like, it's the second so and so, I'm
the first me. Yeah, that kind of thing and that
sort of resonates.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I like to I'm looking forward to seeing what Bo
can do on the field. I'm looking forward to seeing
this preseason game and getting some reps out there and
fans finally get a chance, you know, to kind of see.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
What it is that he does see.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
I'm hoping at some point in pre in preseason these
over these three games, doesn't have to be the game
on Sunday. It would be great if he was. But
to see Bo and Troy on the field at the
same time, and knowing as these guys have some kind
of symmetry with one another because they played at Oregon,
why not dig into crates and put some of their
(29:46):
greatest hits together so fans can actually see what this
combination could be down the line.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah, I think that's I think that's something we're gonna
talk about this first preseason game.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
We come back.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
What did the Broncos need to do? What can they
not have happen? Those are all things we're going to
get to here in just a few moments. You know
this Sobroncos Country tonight right here on KOA. It's a
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