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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to it, Broncos Country Tonight, Ben's with Albright,
Nick Ferguson, I go right out so you can't wait
comment Spirital Hotline. Bring on our guy, Tim Jenkins at
T Jenkins Elite. Tim, it's been too long, buddy.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I know, I know when I'm pumped up. We're back.
We got some football to break down.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I think it's an exciting time boys, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
I think so too.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I talked about I retweeted four different film breakdowns. It
was obviously yours, the Chase Daniel, J T. O'Sullivan, and
then somebody named I think it's like Jackson McLean or something.
I don't know, a distant relative of John McLean, I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
And it was four different viewpoints on the tape.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
And I always find it interesting how we get, you know,
different eyes than the lenses we view things through. Chase
Daniel basically had bo Nix as the second coming of
Pat Mahlmes, which I thought was a little excessive, although
Chase belongs to the Finesse Hall of Fame for the
baggy stole from the league for backing up for so
many years. We had your breakdown, which was optimistic but
pointed out the mistakes.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
We had JT. O.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Sullivan's breakdown, who was a bit more pessimistic but pointed
out the positives, and then that guy from Pro Football
Focus who thought that bo Nix was a dumpster fire.
And I still didn't understand that portion of it exactly
as it goes. But I do want to focus on
what you saw out of Bonnicks, the positives, the negatives,
where we can get better, and where you stand on
this as a first outing.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, I mean I think first and foremost in like
the breakdown world, like the you know, it's tough because
it's like we got all remember pre season week one, right,
so it's like, you know, we all want to draw
conclusions and it's like human nature. I mean I want
to do the same, especially after, like you know, we've
lived through what we lived through in Broncos Country. It's
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like I too would like to be like, oh, I
think this kid is the man, and the reality is
I thought there was some pretty darn good stuff on tape.
I think the way he plays with anticipation, I think
is right up Champayton's alley, right. I think how fast
he gets the bard of his paw in the quick game.
I think he's right up in Valey. I think his
willingness outside of clip number one, which I think we
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could really talk through, but his willingness to like not
put the bond Harm's way, I think as a pro
is going to pay dividends for him. With Sean, I
do think, like listen, he got.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Out of the pocket way too early.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I thought I thought there were times where it's like,
instead of climbing the pocket, we're trying to full blown
bail in the pocket. And we talked through that, and
then I think there's other things where to me it's
like I would have loved to see him work his
progression in certain areas. And you know, there was a
shallow cross that's open on third down that hey we
can convert if we just hit the shallow and said
he scrambles, but he does get the first down. So
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I do think we have to sometimes say like, okay, hey,
the results good enough for us to win football games,
right either way we're converting a third down. However, like
it buys us some time to coach him up on that,
because if you're a statue back there right and you
don't convert it, you start to scramble and you don't convert,
you know, then we're really actually hurting our ball club.
So to me, I thought it was overall a really
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good outing. I really do. For a rookie preseason week one,
I thought it was pretty darn solid. I do think
obviously there's stuff to work on. I'm just not ready
to act like this was like, you know, this horrific start,
and I'm also not ready to act like it's like,
you know, I think the thing that the thing that's
been great about my breakdowns, honestly.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
If I'm going to pat myself on the back.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Is I was so bad in the NFL that I
can watch everyone objectively because I don't have to compare
them to myself because I was just awful, right, And
then there's some guys who break up down and it's like,
you know, they played fifteen years in the league, but
if you ask them, that's the best day of fifteen
anyone's ever seen. So it's like, you know, it's all relative.
We're all ton of of our O bias. Mine is
just like, hey, I was awful, so you know I
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would have thrown stick, nod laid down the middle too
if I got it. Called on my first pro snap.
So I get where Boonext is coming from.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Well, Tam, he's what I was telling Ben as far
as just kind of taking things with a grain of
salts as we see them, because this is both. This
was Bo's first time as an NFL quarterback taking plays
in a game of any sort. So let's not overjudge him.
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But still let's not over deliver on where he is
as a quarterback with some of the things that you said.
Like you said, well he got the pocket a little
sooner than you want. What I told Ben was, look,
I get that, and we can break things down with
the fine too, comb but is he getting positive yards?
So how much should fans or anyone breaking down those
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games that Bo's gonna pay play from here on out
focus so much on well he could have done this
when he did something else that led to something positive.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, I think it's really the thing that I like,
the thing that's attractive to it about me. Right, So
we just let's look at that third down clip in
a vacuum. Technically you read it. You should get to
the shallow cross. Throw it there, he'll run, he'll get
the first down. We move the chain, right, So the
net result would have been moving the chain. Okay. Instead
Bo misses it, scrambles and moves the chain. The positive
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aspect to me is Bo's athleticism is going to bail
him out of some situations like that, right, It's going
to bail them out to where the Broncos are still converting.
The Broncos are still moving the ball down the stiel
with a chance to win a game in the NFL.
So we now have a little bit more time to
coach the skid versus if he was just like back
there and he can't move at all, or he doesn't
have this natural play making ability, then you sit there
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and you go like, okay, hey, can I even put
him out there? Because you know, we're going from converting
this if I have like sit them in there to
not converting it. Right, So to me, I think that's
the real positive takeaway. I do think the big joke
of the whole thing though, when you like really like
you know, you, Tay, Let's take Bo Nicks and Caleb Williams, right,
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some of these guys who broke down bow it was
the worst football they'd ever seen. Those horrible Bo held
onto a screen ball, you know, right, it was supposed
to be screen He holds onto it, creates a play
throws at the shallow for seventeen. So a screenplay broke
down and instead of dirting the ball, Bonnicks held on
to it and completed it right for a first down,
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and that was god awful. Same film, guy watches Caleb
Williams climb up on a half back screen right because
we have a nickel pressure. He climbs up in the pocket.
No look shot puts it. Okay, So another play that
any coach probably would say, hey, let's not do that.
No look shot puts it goes for forty and it
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was the greatest.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Play we've seen from a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
So to me, it's like, we got to take this
all with.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
The greatest salt.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Either they're both bad, which they are both bad. You
don't watch your franchise quarterback doing either of those. Let's
not go ahead and step up and take a shot
on HB screen for no reason if you're Caleb Williams,
and let's not hold the ball and let our guys
get downfield if you're bonis right, But we do have
to be honest about these evaluations. And I think that's
been my issue with it. I feel like, you know,
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it's like you watch JJ McCarthy stands in there and
throws a red zone ball and everyone's like, you know,
the world, the world's on fire.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
That's the best all they've seen.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
It's like Bo Nix holds the middle of the field, safety,
gets outside and throws a dang good ball in the
red zone that really should have been caught by the
Reynolds kid, right, he didn't come down with it, and
I don't even know if we touched on those in
some of those breakdowns. So to me, it's just like
I think bo'se one of those guys that if you
didn't like him coming out of college, nothing you saw
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in preseason week one is gonna make you like admit, oh, hey,
maybe this kid's a little better than I gave him
credit for. And that's just kind of like where he's
at right now. I think if you're Broncos Country, though,
I just would be excited about where he's at. I
take everything like you're saying, Nicko, with the grain of salt,
and I do think he's going to be able to
be more effective than maybe most young quarterbacks because of
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his athleticism and playmaking ability.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Talking with Tim Jenkins at T Jenkins Late, I tend
to agree with you on the point you made earlier
bailing from clean pockets a little bit early. I mean,
I feel like that'll fix itself over time, when the
speed of the game slows down for him a little
bit and he's got a little less nerves and you know,
lightning things the veins and all that kind of stuff.
I feel like that'll that'll correct itself. Hopefully you'll correct itself.
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But overall, you know, I thought it was a positive debut.
And I'm not the biggest Bonnix honk. I'm not a
hater by any stretch, but I you know, I compared
him to Derek Carr as a quarterback. I think it's
a favorable comparison in terms of armstrang processing, taking what
a defense gives you, getting it out quick, no negative plays,
that kind of stuff, And I don't think that's I
don't think that's derogatory at all. Derek Carr was a
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perfectly fine quarterback, top third of the league quarterback, you know,
for a long time there. I think bo Nicks has
the ability to be a top half of the league quarterback,
even if he's not a top eight, top ten quarterback, whatever,
top half of the league quarterback. And that's that's more
than plenty to be able to win with in this league.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, Like yeah, it is always funny
when you compare people to Like in your mind, you're
like that I was a pretty dark the fl quarterback.
You can comparison out there, and then people on Twitter
are like, you're a horrible person. It's like, hold the phone,
because I'm pretty sure Derek Carr's made probably a quarter
billion dollars playing quarterback. He can be our right. Plus
he's pretty bang good at doing it, so it's like
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it's a fair comparison. Here's what I would say too
that we can't discount. I mean, Drew Brees gets run
out of San Diego, right, and then he links up
with a guy named Sean Payton. Drew Brees was very
much on his way to being Derreck carr ish, right,
you could make the argument. And then plus coming off
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the injury no one knows gonna happen, and then Sean
Payton takes him into a whole different stratosphere. To me,
it's like, not only do you have this where I
think everyone looks at bon Nixon says yeh NFL ability, right.
We can all agree that his NFL like Rass skill
set is there, but we're pairing him with a guy
who I think has a knack for making the most
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out of quarterbacks who will play within the structure of
his offense. I think what I probably discounted, and I
would say a lot of people discounted.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
When you looked at the Russ and.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Sean marriage, was I discounted? I thought, Hey, Russ has
seen enough live bullets to where he's not going to
have to rely on getting out of the pocket and
like extending the play always to generate big plays. That
was a miss, right, Like if Russ isn't getting out
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of the pocket, there are no big plays.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Because he just doesn't see it like.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Most quarterbacks of his stature see it, right, And that's
not it and sold on Russ. It's just his game
right now? I think so. To me, It's like I
think Bow is more cut from the kind of cloth
that Sean Payton likes.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
And if you get him.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
With somebody early and he can really shape how he
thinks about the game. I really think we can't discount that.
I think that's going to be really big for the
young quarterback, and I think it's gonna be huge for
the production overall. This dender offense.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Well, Tim, he is a play that gave me optimism
about bow because as a young quarterback, even though it's
in the preseason, you have to be able to identify
where the matchup is. I can't remember what the down
and distance was, but you get three receivers to the right,
it's gun Wig and I think you got a running
back offset to his left side and got Tim Patrick
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and to cut split and you see the linebacker creeping
down and the linebacker looked like he's about to bring
pressure from the second level from the left side. Most
quarterbacks panic, but Bo didn't panic. He stayed with the ring,
he found the running back, and he threw a great pass.
And usually, and you can tell me because you play
a quarterback, when you see a guy that opened, sometimes
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there's a tendency to overthrow or underthrow the running back.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
But both put it right on. To me.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
That says a lot about the quarterback. When you saw
that play, what did it indicate to you?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, I do things A layup to the top of one.
You should just see me at my family run down
the field, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
So yeah, I mean, listen the bullet that.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
You're talking about. I thought that was a great one.
First and foremost, great play design, great execution, and then yeah,
I think I think Bo is seeing it really well.
I think we saw it in that one. I think
the stick route where it's like, you know, he plays
chin to chin, it's a great ball. That's another highlight
of what I think Bo brings. I think the other
thing too that I was like pretty juiced up about
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was you know, there's a play where it's like it's
the same formation, right, it's three by one. The backside
receiver was on like a speed out I want to say,
or like a four step out. I don't know, but
they're running, you know, they're running basically zoned to the field,
and the it's the backside guy who's really on the
RPO and it's like, you know, hey, he gets off,
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he gets off coverage, he throws it in the belly
and then he pulls it and he throws it. And
I'm like, that's a really easy completion based on play
design and what it also tells you. And this is
like what I always think is funny, like and I
appreciate what Sean's doing where it's like, hey, you know,
we we he's got to earn it. But it's like,
you don't put in a play that Oregon ran a
hundred times unless bo Nick's against be your starter, right
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like you right, plays like that, unless it's like, hey,
this is going to be the guy. With that being said,
I love seeing stuff like that because I do think
those are really easy completions, comfortable completions like let's get
the offensive feet moving forward, let's let's feel a little
bit of momentum, let's get the kid into the game.
And I think that was exciting. I also thought the
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run he had off a red zone where we you know,
brought the y all the way across and leads up there.
It's like, I think that kind of stuff is exciting
too to see. You know, that's probably part of his
game that I didn't really fully grasp that I think
is going to translate is I do think he's pretty
darn athletic in terms of, hey, if we need to
add him as a number count in the run game
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every once in a while between you know, all of
a sudden the Broncos are healthy at running back again.
Plus if he's a little bit dynamic with his legs,
you're gonna force a lot of teams in a single
high coverage. And I still think this Broncos team is
tough to cover in single high coverage, especially with Tim
Patrick's back, Like I really, do you know, I've got
that rookie out of camp who's making a ton of plays.
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I think if you know, all of a sudden, these
matchups become tough if you're in single high and I
don't know how you could really come out and being
split safety against what you know Sean Payton loves to do,
which is pound the rock. The Bronco's healthy at the
running back spot, and then a young kid who can
get out there and run.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
If he has to.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Talking about Tim Jenkins, that TJ is the late last
one for me.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Tim, you know, your last answer kind of alludes to
where I wanted to go with this, And Nettie is
is that Sean Payton looks like he's kind of in
his bag when Bo Nix is out there, I called
him I call Bo Nicks's muse because he seems to
want to be more creative when Bo's on it.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
We saw that out of that second drive.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
First drives a little shaky, but Bo came out there
in command, and we saw Sean Payton in his bag
a little bit. I haven't seen Sean Bayton that creative
with play calling or a Sean Payton offense that creative
and play calling since Taysom Hill was running things back
there and they had to adjust fire a little bit.
I mean, the scheme books stale when Lombardy was with
the Chargers, it looked stale. Last year when Pete Carmichael
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has running with the Saints, and of course we know
the limited playbook with Rus last year, it looks like
Sean Payton really has found his views.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah, I think you're dead on. And I also think
you brought up such a good comparison and Taysom Hill.
And let me tell you why I think it's the
perfect comparison is because no matter who you talked to
in the NFL, no one's ever said about Sean Payton
that he's humble, right, like everyone's always been like this
dude is stubborn on what he thinks. He took Taysom
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Hill with the intention of showing everybody in the league. Hey,
I'll make this guy a quarterback or I'll make it
whatever I want, and he'll still be effected playing quarterback.
He just took Bonix, and there's a lot of people
telling him that the dumb draft pick. If you want
to really get Sean Payton fired up, let him know
how stupid he think he is, because then all of
a sudden, what you're gonna see in a preseason game
is we're gonna run pick and we're gonna run HB
bullet and we're gonna make sure this kid out of
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a great game. Right. I think you're dead on and
that it was fun to see him get creative. I
also think it's hilarious and that we're seeing more creativity
and preseason week one than we saw in Week fourteen
or real football last year. So it only gets to
me more excited to see what's gonna happen when it
means something, right, like, what's gonna happen when all of
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a sudden this football game camp. I think we're gonna
see some pretty dynamic offense. And I think it's gonna be,
you know, really like you're saying, because I think Sean
wants to lean into bow and I think Bo is
probably in there sitting there like, hey man, I'm pretty
darn lucky to have this guy as my head coach.
Let me go ahead and listen to everything he has
to say.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Well, Tam, we always appreciate it. Looking forward to talking
to you again.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
And I am wearing the original Jenkins Elite ball cap
right here. It looks like the first one off the
line is brown. It is no longer white. I'm just
letting you know I might need to wash this thing.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
And here's the big thing that's exciting is the last
like fourteen months of my life, I've been basically a
general contract. We did remodel coach, and we are now
out of the remodel phase. We're living in the half.
I feel like I got free time. I might be
able to actually get you guys some gear. I might
be able to kind of honor my word. You guys
got to ask Grant though, But I mean I I
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texted Grant saying, hey, if you guys need me, I'm here.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Grant's been holding out.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Really tim so because you guys know, I wouldn't responding
to poor Grant. I was treating him like, you know,
one next girlfriend. It's like, Hey, I've been married for
ten years.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I can't refund of that anymore, right, you.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Know, Listen, I'm pumped up to be back with you guys.
I promise I'll drop it in studio, bring some gear,
I'll bring some love, you know. And I'm pumped up.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I appreciate you guys having me.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
You know, you know the loves all on this side
of the tail. Brother, We'll see you soon, see you guys.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Absolutely, Tim Jenkins, T Jenkins, Elked, Nick Ferguson and I
will be back
Welcome back to it, Broncos Country Tonight, Ben's with Albright,
Nick Ferguson, I go right out so you can't wait
comment Spirital Hotline. Bring on our guy, Tim Jenkins at
T Jenkins Elite. Tim, it's been too long, buddy.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I know, I know when I'm pumped up. We're back.
We got some football to break down.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I think it's an exciting time boys, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
I think so too.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I talked about I retweeted four different film breakdowns. It
was obviously yours, the Chase Daniel, J T. O'Sullivan, and
then somebody named I think it's like Jackson McLean or something.
I don't know, a distant relative of John McLean, I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
And it was four different viewpoints on the tape.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
And I always find it interesting how we get, you know,
different eyes than the lenses we view things through. Chase
Daniel basically had bo Nix as the second coming of
Pat Mahlmes, which I thought was a little excessive, although
Chase belongs to the Finesse Hall of Fame for the
baggy stole from the league for backing up for so
many years. We had your breakdown, which was optimistic but
pointed out the mistakes.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
We had JT. O.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Sullivan's breakdown, who was a bit more pessimistic but pointed
out the positives, and then that guy from Pro Football
Focus who thought that bo Nix was a dumpster fire.
And I still didn't understand that portion of it exactly
as it goes. But I do want to focus on
what you saw out of Bonnicks, the positives, the negatives,
where we can get better, and where you stand on
this as a first outing.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, I mean I think first and foremost in like
the breakdown world, like the you know, it's tough because
it's like we got all remember pre season week one, right,
so it's like, you know, we all want to draw
conclusions and it's like human nature. I mean I want
to do the same, especially after, like you know, we've
lived through what we lived through in Broncos Country. It's
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like I too would like to be like, oh, I
think this kid is the man, and the reality is
I thought there was some pretty darn good stuff on tape.
I think the way he plays with anticipation, I think
is right up Champayton's alley, right. I think how fast
he gets the bard of his paw in the quick game.
I think he's right up in Valey. I think his
willingness outside of clip number one, which I think we
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could really talk through, but his willingness to like not
put the bond Harm's way, I think as a pro
is going to pay dividends for him. With Sean, I
do think, like listen, he got.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Out of the pocket way too early.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I thought I thought there were times where it's like,
instead of climbing the pocket, we're trying to full blown
bail in the pocket. And we talked through that, and
then I think there's other things where to me it's
like I would have loved to see him work his
progression in certain areas. And you know, there was a
shallow cross that's open on third down that hey we
can convert if we just hit the shallow and said
he scrambles, but he does get the first down. So
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I do think we have to sometimes say like, okay, hey,
the results good enough for us to win football games,
right either way we're converting a third down. However, like
it buys us some time to coach him up on that,
because if you're a statue back there right and you
don't convert it, you start to scramble and you don't convert,
you know, then we're really actually hurting our ball club.
So to me, I thought it was overall a really
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good outing. I really do. For a rookie preseason week one,
I thought it was pretty darn solid. I do think
obviously there's stuff to work on. I'm just not ready
to act like this was like, you know, this horrific start,
and I'm also not ready to act like it's like,
you know, I think the thing that the thing that's
been great about my breakdowns, honestly.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
If I'm going to pat myself on the back.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Is I was so bad in the NFL that I
can watch everyone objectively because I don't have to compare
them to myself because I was just awful, right, And
then there's some guys who break up down and it's like,
you know, they played fifteen years in the league, but
if you ask them, that's the best day of fifteen
anyone's ever seen. So it's like, you know, it's all relative.
We're all ton of of our O bias. Mine is
just like, hey, I was awful, so you know I
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would have thrown stick, nod laid down the middle too
if I got it. Called on my first pro snap.
So I get where Boonext is coming from.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Well, Tam, he's what I was telling Ben as far
as just kind of taking things with a grain of
salts as we see them, because this is both. This
was Bo's first time as an NFL quarterback taking plays
in a game of any sort. So let's not overjudge him.
(04:11):
But still let's not over deliver on where he is
as a quarterback with some of the things that you said.
Like you said, well he got the pocket a little
sooner than you want. What I told Ben was, look,
I get that, and we can break things down with
the fine too, comb but is he getting positive yards?
So how much should fans or anyone breaking down those
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games that Bo's gonna pay play from here on out
focus so much on well he could have done this
when he did something else that led to something positive.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, I think it's really the thing that I like,
the thing that's attractive to it about me. Right, So
we just let's look at that third down clip in
a vacuum. Technically you read it. You should get to
the shallow cross. Throw it there, he'll run, he'll get
the first down. We move the chain, right, So the
net result would have been moving the chain. Okay. Instead
Bo misses it, scrambles and moves the chain. The positive
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aspect to me is Bo's athleticism is going to bail
him out of some situations like that, right, It's going
to bail them out to where the Broncos are still converting.
The Broncos are still moving the ball down the stiel
with a chance to win a game in the NFL.
So we now have a little bit more time to
coach the skid versus if he was just like back
there and he can't move at all, or he doesn't
have this natural play making ability, then you sit there
(05:27):
and you go like, okay, hey, can I even put
him out there? Because you know, we're going from converting
this if I have like sit them in there to
not converting it. Right, So to me, I think that's
the real positive takeaway. I do think the big joke
of the whole thing though, when you like really like
you know, you, Tay, Let's take Bo Nicks and Caleb Williams, right,
(05:47):
some of these guys who broke down bow it was
the worst football they'd ever seen. Those horrible Bo held
onto a screen ball, you know, right, it was supposed
to be screen He holds onto it, creates a play
throws at the shallow for seventeen. So a screenplay broke
down and instead of dirting the ball, Bonnicks held on
to it and completed it right for a first down,
(06:08):
and that was god awful. Same film, guy watches Caleb
Williams climb up on a half back screen right because
we have a nickel pressure. He climbs up in the pocket.
No look shot puts it. Okay, So another play that
any coach probably would say, hey, let's not do that.
No look shot puts it goes for forty and it
(06:28):
was the greatest.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Play we've seen from a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
So to me, it's like, we got to take this
all with.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
The greatest salt.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Either they're both bad, which they are both bad. You
don't watch your franchise quarterback doing either of those. Let's
not go ahead and step up and take a shot
on HB screen for no reason if you're Caleb Williams,
and let's not hold the ball and let our guys
get downfield if you're bonis right, But we do have
to be honest about these evaluations. And I think that's
been my issue with it. I feel like, you know,
(06:53):
it's like you watch JJ McCarthy stands in there and
throws a red zone ball and everyone's like, you know,
the world, the world's on fire.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
That's the best all they've seen.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
It's like Bo Nix holds the middle of the field, safety,
gets outside and throws a dang good ball in the
red zone that really should have been caught by the
Reynolds kid, right, he didn't come down with it, and
I don't even know if we touched on those in
some of those breakdowns. So to me, it's just like
I think bo'se one of those guys that if you
didn't like him coming out of college, nothing you saw
(07:21):
in preseason week one is gonna make you like admit, oh, hey,
maybe this kid's a little better than I gave him
credit for. And that's just kind of like where he's
at right now. I think if you're Broncos Country, though,
I just would be excited about where he's at. I
take everything like you're saying, Nicko, with the grain of salt,
and I do think he's going to be able to
be more effective than maybe most young quarterbacks because of
(07:42):
his athleticism and playmaking ability.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Talking with Tim Jenkins at T Jenkins Late, I tend
to agree with you on the point you made earlier
bailing from clean pockets a little bit early. I mean,
I feel like that'll fix itself over time, when the
speed of the game slows down for him a little
bit and he's got a little less nerves and you know,
lightning things the veins and all that kind of stuff.
I feel like that'll that'll correct itself. Hopefully you'll correct itself.
(08:06):
But overall, you know, I thought it was a positive debut.
And I'm not the biggest Bonnix honk. I'm not a
hater by any stretch, but I you know, I compared
him to Derek Carr as a quarterback. I think it's
a favorable comparison in terms of armstrang processing, taking what
a defense gives you, getting it out quick, no negative plays,
that kind of stuff, And I don't think that's I
don't think that's derogatory at all. Derek Carr was a
(08:27):
perfectly fine quarterback, top third of the league quarterback, you know,
for a long time there. I think bo Nicks has
the ability to be a top half of the league quarterback,
even if he's not a top eight, top ten quarterback, whatever,
top half of the league quarterback. And that's that's more
than plenty to be able to win with in this league.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, Like yeah, it is always funny
when you compare people to Like in your mind, you're
like that I was a pretty dark the fl quarterback.
You can comparison out there, and then people on Twitter
are like, you're a horrible person. It's like, hold the phone,
because I'm pretty sure Derek Carr's made probably a quarter
billion dollars playing quarterback. He can be our right. Plus
he's pretty bang good at doing it, so it's like
(09:04):
it's a fair comparison. Here's what I would say too
that we can't discount. I mean, Drew Brees gets run
out of San Diego, right, and then he links up
with a guy named Sean Payton. Drew Brees was very
much on his way to being Derreck carr ish, right,
you could make the argument. And then plus coming off
(09:24):
the injury no one knows gonna happen, and then Sean
Payton takes him into a whole different stratosphere. To me,
it's like, not only do you have this where I
think everyone looks at bon Nixon says yeh NFL ability, right.
We can all agree that his NFL like Rass skill
set is there, but we're pairing him with a guy
who I think has a knack for making the most
(09:45):
out of quarterbacks who will play within the structure of
his offense. I think what I probably discounted, and I
would say a lot of people discounted.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
When you looked at the Russ and.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Sean marriage, was I discounted? I thought, Hey, Russ has
seen enough live bullets to where he's not going to
have to rely on getting out of the pocket and
like extending the play always to generate big plays. That
was a miss, right, Like if Russ isn't getting out
(10:20):
of the pocket, there are no big plays.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Because he just doesn't see it like.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Most quarterbacks of his stature see it, right, And that's
not it and sold on Russ. It's just his game
right now? I think so. To me, It's like I
think Bow is more cut from the kind of cloth
that Sean Payton likes.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
And if you get him.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
With somebody early and he can really shape how he
thinks about the game. I really think we can't discount that.
I think that's going to be really big for the
young quarterback, and I think it's gonna be huge for
the production overall. This dender offense.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Well, Tim, he is a play that gave me optimism
about bow because as a young quarterback, even though it's
in the preseason, you have to be able to identify
where the matchup is. I can't remember what the down
and distance was, but you get three receivers to the right,
it's gun Wig and I think you got a running
back offset to his left side and got Tim Patrick
(11:14):
and to cut split and you see the linebacker creeping
down and the linebacker looked like he's about to bring
pressure from the second level from the left side. Most
quarterbacks panic, but Bo didn't panic. He stayed with the ring,
he found the running back, and he threw a great pass.
And usually, and you can tell me because you play
a quarterback, when you see a guy that opened, sometimes
(11:36):
there's a tendency to overthrow or underthrow the running back.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
But both put it right on. To me.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
That says a lot about the quarterback. When you saw
that play, what did it indicate to you?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, I do things A layup to the top of one.
You should just see me at my family run down
the field, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
So yeah, I mean, listen the bullet that.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
You're talking about. I thought that was a great one.
First and foremost, great play design, great execution, and then yeah,
I think I think Bo is seeing it really well.
I think we saw it in that one. I think
the stick route where it's like, you know, he plays
chin to chin, it's a great ball. That's another highlight
of what I think Bo brings. I think the other
thing too that I was like pretty juiced up about
(12:25):
was you know, there's a play where it's like it's
the same formation, right, it's three by one. The backside
receiver was on like a speed out I want to say,
or like a four step out. I don't know, but
they're running, you know, they're running basically zoned to the field,
and the it's the backside guy who's really on the
RPO and it's like, you know, hey, he gets off,
(12:47):
he gets off coverage, he throws it in the belly
and then he pulls it and he throws it. And
I'm like, that's a really easy completion based on play
design and what it also tells you. And this is
like what I always think is funny, like and I
appreciate what Sean's doing where it's like, hey, you know,
we we he's got to earn it. But it's like,
you don't put in a play that Oregon ran a
hundred times unless bo Nick's against be your starter, right
(13:09):
like you right, plays like that, unless it's like, hey,
this is going to be the guy. With that being said,
I love seeing stuff like that because I do think
those are really easy completions, comfortable completions like let's get
the offensive feet moving forward, let's let's feel a little
bit of momentum, let's get the kid into the game.
And I think that was exciting. I also thought the
(13:30):
run he had off a red zone where we you know,
brought the y all the way across and leads up there.
It's like, I think that kind of stuff is exciting
too to see. You know, that's probably part of his
game that I didn't really fully grasp that I think
is going to translate is I do think he's pretty
darn athletic in terms of, hey, if we need to
add him as a number count in the run game
(13:53):
every once in a while between you know, all of
a sudden the Broncos are healthy at running back again.
Plus if he's a little bit dynamic with his legs,
you're gonna force a lot of teams in a single
high coverage. And I still think this Broncos team is
tough to cover in single high coverage, especially with Tim
Patrick's back, Like I really, do you know, I've got
that rookie out of camp who's making a ton of plays.
(14:14):
I think if you know, all of a sudden, these
matchups become tough if you're in single high and I
don't know how you could really come out and being
split safety against what you know Sean Payton loves to do,
which is pound the rock. The Bronco's healthy at the
running back spot, and then a young kid who can
get out there and run.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
If he has to.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Talking about Tim Jenkins, that TJ is the late last
one for me.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Tim, you know, your last answer kind of alludes to
where I wanted to go with this, And Nettie is
is that Sean Payton looks like he's kind of in
his bag when Bo Nix is out there, I called
him I call Bo Nicks's muse because he seems to
want to be more creative when Bo's on it.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
We saw that out of that second drive.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
First drives a little shaky, but Bo came out there
in command, and we saw Sean Payton in his bag
a little bit. I haven't seen Sean Bayton that creative
with play calling or a Sean Payton offense that creative
and play calling since Taysom Hill was running things back
there and they had to adjust fire a little bit.
I mean, the scheme books stale when Lombardy was with
the Chargers, it looked stale. Last year when Pete Carmichael
(15:08):
has running with the Saints, and of course we know
the limited playbook with Rus last year, it looks like
Sean Payton really has found his views.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah, I think you're dead on. And I also think
you brought up such a good comparison and Taysom Hill.
And let me tell you why I think it's the
perfect comparison is because no matter who you talked to
in the NFL, no one's ever said about Sean Payton
that he's humble, right, like everyone's always been like this
dude is stubborn on what he thinks. He took Taysom
(15:37):
Hill with the intention of showing everybody in the league. Hey,
I'll make this guy a quarterback or I'll make it
whatever I want, and he'll still be effected playing quarterback.
He just took Bonix, and there's a lot of people
telling him that the dumb draft pick. If you want
to really get Sean Payton fired up, let him know
how stupid he think he is, because then all of
a sudden, what you're gonna see in a preseason game
is we're gonna run pick and we're gonna run HB
bullet and we're gonna make sure this kid out of
(15:58):
a great game. Right. I think you're dead on and
that it was fun to see him get creative. I
also think it's hilarious and that we're seeing more creativity
and preseason week one than we saw in Week fourteen
or real football last year. So it only gets to
me more excited to see what's gonna happen when it
means something, right, like, what's gonna happen when all of
(16:18):
a sudden this football game camp. I think we're gonna
see some pretty dynamic offense. And I think it's gonna be,
you know, really like you're saying, because I think Sean
wants to lean into bow and I think Bo is
probably in there sitting there like, hey man, I'm pretty
darn lucky to have this guy as my head coach.
Let me go ahead and listen to everything he has
to say.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Well, Tam, we always appreciate it. Looking forward to talking
to you again.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
And I am wearing the original Jenkins Elite ball cap
right here. It looks like the first one off the
line is brown. It is no longer white. I'm just
letting you know I might need to wash this thing.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
And here's the big thing that's exciting is the last
like fourteen months of my life, I've been basically a
general contract. We did remodel coach, and we are now
out of the remodel phase. We're living in the half.
I feel like I got free time. I might be
able to actually get you guys some gear. I might
be able to kind of honor my word. You guys
got to ask Grant though, But I mean I I
(17:09):
texted Grant saying, hey, if you guys need me, I'm here.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Grant's been holding out.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Really tim so because you guys know, I wouldn't responding
to poor Grant. I was treating him like, you know,
one next girlfriend. It's like, Hey, I've been married for
ten years.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I can't refund of that anymore, right, you.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Know, Listen, I'm pumped up to be back with you guys.
I promise I'll drop it in studio, bring some gear,
I'll bring some love, you know. And I'm pumped up.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I appreciate you guys having me.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
You know, you know the loves all on this side
of the tail. Brother, We'll see you soon, see you guys.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Absolutely, Tim Jenkins, T Jenkins, Elked, Nick Ferguson and I
will be back
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