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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Benjamin Albright, Nick Ferguson Hall of Famer Steve Atwater in studio. Guys,
we got the Packers coming to town for joint practices
at a preseason game. I think we're all cautiously optimistic
about what bo Nick showed against the Cults Packers a
little bit of a different animal. And what do we
want to see in this game, not just from bow
Nick's but what do we want to see from this
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Denver Broncos team, Because you know, I've often said that
the difference between the preseason and the regular season is
everything in the preseason matters except the final score. Nothing
in the regular season matters except the final score. When
we look at this, it doesn't really matter if they
win or lose. But what specifically are we looking at
from the players in this game?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Well, I would say more than anything, that they've made
some progress throughout camp. You know, from the start of
camp to now, you've gotten better. You understand your responsibilities
really well. You're playing together, you're playing physical, and you're
playing smart. I would say that's the biggest thing that
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I'm looking for the difference from when you reported the
training camp to today. Now, specifically, I want to see
our secondary be more on the same page. It seems
like watch some of the practices, they weren't on the
same page all the time, and that's going to be
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key that they communicate and be on the same page.
Jonah ellis on that edge man. He's going to be
a great addition to go along with Jonathan Cooper Browning,
Nick Bonito. We got some studs out there now. Now,
we haven't got any these acts yet, but I believe
it's coming and I want to hope to see that.
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In addition to all the offensive stuff, I want to
see the receivers do well.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
It was part of that because Zach Allen and John
Frank la Myers didn't play. I mean, we really haven't
seen the lethality of the front seven just yet because
we didn't even see the two biggest pieces.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah. Oh, I definitely think that has something to do
with it.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
With the two big dogs in there, you're gonna have
to take up You're gonna have to use more than
one blocker on them, and it's gonna provide some opportunities
for those age rush to make some plays on the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Well, the big thing that I'm looking forward to with
this joint practice with the Packers is for me watching
guys compete and watching competition across every position, but more
importantly in the secondary, where the Broncos are going to
have to lean on that group heavily because one of
the playmakers that was in the secondary last year, Justin Simmons,
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he's no longer there, so someone else has to step up,
not named PS two. Right, So when you think about
Christian Watson, Dobbs, Read Luke Musgrave, these are all great
guys who when they get out in space, they can
do damage with receiving the ball and.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Then we run after the catch. I want to see
how the.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Broncos secondary actually matches up and how well they compete. Now,
the other aspect of it, which will impact bow knicks
is how the Broncos offensive line as a group responds
to the love of pressure that they're going to receive.
And once again you're not going to see a lot
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of dynamic blitz is called. But I know their defensive coordinator,
I worked under him in San Francisco, Jeff Haffley, and
Halfley's always been waiting for this opportunity to show that
what he can do as a defensive coordinator so he's
going to finest things in practice, but then he's still
going to give a couple of punch points on Sunday
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when the Broncos play. So I want to see how
the offensive line handles that's going to be aggressive on defense.
Oh yes, most definitely they're going to be aggressive, and
not in the form of coming up with elaborate blitz plays.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
But can you win with your front four?
Speaker 4 (03:52):
And that's going to be very vital for the growth
of bow knicks sewing. As though he's got a stable
office of the line in front of him.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
The Packers aren't going to play there starters, so that'll
be an added advantage for for bow in this one.
But Green Bay's got some talent on the defensive side
of the ball, specifically upfront. That front seven they're backup
secondary is not what I would call great, but you know.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Is what it is?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Is there is there anything else you want to see
any of the other quarterbacks, Chart Stidham, Zach Wilson, You know.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I want to I really want to see see both
of those guys play well, both Jared Stidham and and
Zach Wilson, and I want to see one of them
emerge as the obvious quarterback that's going to be either
starting or behind Bo Nicks. I want I want to
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see that separation, you know, I think Bow has I
don't know if he's done enough for the coaches to
name him the starting quarterback yet. I think if he
follows up last week's game with another nice performance in
practice on Friday and the game in the second preseason
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game against the Packers, I think he can.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Throw it up.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
But those other two guys, Zach Wilson had a nice game,
pretty pretty good game, and so can Jared Stidham come
back and have a good showing in the game.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
And he's got to get more plays too.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
You know, he didn't have nearly as many plays as
both Zach and Bo did this last game. Hopefully he'll
have a chance to really show what he can do
and you know, see.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Where he is in the competition.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I wanted to be obvious who the starter should be,
who should the second quarterback be, and.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Who should the third quarterback be.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Well, the one thing that has happened with his quarterback
battle is you the nail on the head, Steve. There
hasn't really been separation by any guy. No one has
done something that's like it's a bunch of oohs and odds,
and he's.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
They're really separated themselves.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
And when you have the discussion, he said, well, there's
a tremendous gap between one and two that hasn't happened
because Stidham only had like maybe seven plays. But we
saw a lot of Zach Wilson, and we saw a
lot of bon Nicks, which you need to see of
those guys, and I hope the Broncos are just full transparency.
I hope they keep all three guys because it may
come to pay Hill where you're going to need all
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three of the guys. But there hasn't really been separation.
So before we even get to the game on Sunday,
it has to start with separation for the guys in practice, because,
like Ben said, the starters are not going to play
for Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
But they're sure going to practice.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
And this is where you can set yourself apart if
you are Zach Wilson, Jeri Stitham, or even bon Nicks.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Question for you, though I know we are outsiders, you
know insider, which is weird.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
We're outsiders in terms we're not in the meetings, we
don't know exactly what these guys are supposed to be
doing when they're competing at the quarterback position. Do you
think the guys in the rooms with them, you think
they already have a picking order.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I mean, I think in their.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Minds, like you know, a majority of them think that
one quarterback should be the starter.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's pretty I think I
think people understand the business of the game too. You know,
if you got drafted at twelve, you're going to be
the starter eventually, one way or the other. So I
think there's you know.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I think I think that was drafted number two. Yeah,
but he was he was traded for a six rounder. Yeah,
Broncos investment was a six rounder. Look.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I mean I think that in that room there are
guys that think that there's something to be said for
tools Zach. There's something to be said for being a veteran,
been around the league a while. For Jarrett, there's somebody
be said for being drafted twelve. But at the end
of the day, you go out the field and you produce,
and if you produce, you're going to be the guy.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
See what it comes down to is who do you
believe in?
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Because at the end of the day when things get tight,
do I believe on a two minute drive, if we
need that, this guy can lead us down in two minutes.
I always go back to this, when the Broncos were
in position when I think it was twenty fifteen, is
going to Super Bowl fifty and they were playing the
Chargers here at home. Peyton hadn't played in a while,
and everyone was just like, Okay, well he's kind of
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a shell of himself. They made a switch at that point,
and even though that Peyton was not the best version
of himself, there was a belief in everyone on the
field at that time. And I know I've spoken to
the offensive line, and when Peyton came in, it was like,
tighten up, here's a sheriff.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Let's go. And even our good friend John Bigano even he.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Was like, gosh, don it, here came Peyton. So with
the Broncos players, you're absolutely right, Stephen, You're on the
something there. There is a belief in that locker room
of each individual guy.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
But it's different.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
And to your point, Ben, they are players who are
like man, you see Zach spinnet Man, I see why
he's the first.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
He was the first. He was drafted as high as
he was because.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
He has those skills and you can see guys talking
about them. But also go back to which guy do
you believe as a player who's going to give you
an opportunity to win ball games? And and just so happens,
that's the guy that you're going to fight for.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
And it's like, we have some guys on the team
getting up there in the number of years they played,
played the things, they want to win, and they want
the best guy in there, and we can't be wrong
in the guy that we selected for that.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
If you showed me that Benjamin Albright gave the Broncos
the best opportunity to win as quarterbacks, I say, sign
his ass up and let him start the game.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
But I'm not gonna say that.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Conversely, every other quarterback in the world would be dead.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Your last option. Literally this is literally the post. Every
other quarterback and the Broncos ain't steve you positive.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Every other quarterback was raptured and God was like, now
you got to stay better. Yeah, I need you a
quarterback that Broncos.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Oh man, Yes, I mean Alex Smithy. Just looking offense
you've ever saw was it? Would you run the ball
in the entire time at this age. No, I would
not be trying to run the ball and get hit
at all. Was you running your play?
Speaker 5 (10:14):
No?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Why would you not running?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Because I'm paying a buck sixty and I'm not trying
to get destroyed by Max Crosby.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I want CTE by the end of the year.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Would you would you suggest Sean Payton put that playing
to play book for Cam Newton for you?
Speaker 4 (10:29):
No game, game, game on the line? Time is running
out you in a perfect red meat right now?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yes, red zone. No, I'm never running that. Twenty five
years ago, I'd be doumbanough to run it.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Your team man, twenty five years ago, i'd be dominant
to try it.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I get smoked to try it.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Come on. Whatever happens is sacrifice in oneself for the
betterment of the team.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Well, there's what efforge in that the.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Betterment of the team part is carrying a lot of
weight in that sentence.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Because I don't think he running.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I don't think he running QB power for the diver
Broncos right, it might not work.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Work.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah, here, five ten bucks sixty. Let's have you on
the veer because now I don't think you're a good coach.
I think we're good coach.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Literally, any other play you have is gonna be more successful. Yeah,
Taysom Hill, I'm running that play for Taysom Hill. I'm
not running that play for Benjamin aal Bright.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Okay, it's a naked play. You fake the inside handoff
and then you go around the edge.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
No, you fake the inside handoff and then you follow
the handoff as a lead blocker.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
So that's that's the play.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
No.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
But but I'm giving you an opportunity because now, just
like remember the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Do you understand that I'm like forty three years old.
I get I'm the old fact.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Whether to Davis Till coach shantahand when he said you
had migraines, right, he was like, coach, I can't I
can't see.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
You don't have to see on this Mike said, you
don't have to see. And you know what, the.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Coolest thing I've said this time and time again, Sorelle
didn't even question it. Yes, he didn't say no, coach,
must be losing your mind.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Went in and if the coach got that kind of pedigree, cool,
But if a coach is looking at me, and I serious,
look at me, every single one of you on the
sideline is.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Looking at him with wait what.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
But that's how the much the game has changed, too,
because I don't think many players these days if they
were dizzy and.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
They said they couldn't see, yeah, yeah, you don't need
to see on his play, nobody, coach, I can't even see.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
This guy's got Stevie Wonder glasses on the outside of
his helm. But he's feeling, you know, feeling his way
out there. I mean, I mean, you know, I mean,
we we all we all of us have had the
wind knocked out of here or you're belt wrung or
whatever you want to call it, you know, and they like,
I mean, I'd get back out throwing up, and coaches like,
yeah what you okay?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
You got it out there? Yeah you know, I mean
how many fingers I got up to? You're good? What
you know? You know what it is.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
It's funny that Steve mentioned that the ball concussions because
as a young pup coming into the league, guys would
tell you certain things like, if you get can cut
in the game, always say two.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Fingers, no matter no matter what, it was always the same.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
How many things have a two fuss common just like
wouldn't see on the A C T all the way
down and knowing your guesses because it was common letters.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I'm just that. But yeah, that sounds like something. Look
at his face, Look at his face. I'll score too
high to be doing that. Not to be bragging here,
but I scored way too high.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Off air. But there's a reason a small school suddenly
had a spike.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
At A C T scores for one for one year.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
And I'll tell you. I'll tell you that story off
the here, really really quickly.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I always thought that that interaction in the video of
showing that conversation between Toro Davis and Mike Shanahan was
so iconic for so many reasons because you bring up
a valid point. Players today will not do that, and
we talk about sacrifice, and the thing is.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Is like even if they wanted to, they couldn't, right.
I mean, I'm not sure they should medically.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
But at the same time, it goes back to trust
in your I mean that we're going back to let's
put aside the medical and all that kind stuff for
a sec just just trusting your coach.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
He built up that, that pedigree, he built up. Okay,
I got this, Mike said, they're not going to believe
it if you're not in there.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
And TD didn't question it, he just tried to rap
back on there.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Man, I have so much respect for my guy from that.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
A that's man.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, I get that's an awfair story about him too.
That's not not a negative one, but it's a he's
you know, he looked out for me when he didn't
have to. I'll just say that. Yeah, he's always TV's
always gonna be solid gold in my bookop.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
But see, that's the quintessential point of what being invested
as a teammate is. And I said to you early
before the guys in the locker room, believing you got
to believe like Terrell believed in that moment, right, And
if they do believe in that and like that, could
the Broncos win seven eight there? I say, nine games,
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it's a possibility, but you have to believe first that
it's it's it can happen.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, Well, I believe we got to hit a break.
I believe we've got Tim Jenkins. Will we come back?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I believe it's always fun with the Hall of Famer
Steve Out What are you listening to? Broncos Country Night?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Right here on Ka.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Welcome back to it, Broncos Country Tonight. Ben's with all Bright,
Nick Ferguson, I go right out so you can't wait
comment Spirital Hotline. Bring on our guy, Tim Jenkins at
T Jenkins Elite. Tim, it's been too long, buddy.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
I know, I know when I'm pumped up. We're back.
We got some football to break down. I think it's
It's an exciting.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Time, boys, Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I talked about I retweeted four different film breakdowns. It
was obviously yours, the Chase Daniel, J T. O'Sullivan, and
then somebody named I think it's like Jackson McLean or something.
I don't know, a distant relative of John McLean.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
I don't know. And it was.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Four different viewpoints on the tape. And I always find
it interesting how we get, you know, different eyes and
the lenses we view things through. Chase Daniel basically had
Bo Nicks as the second coming of Pat Maholmes, which
I thought was a little excessive, although Chase belongs in
the Finesse Hall of Fame for the bag he stole
from the league for backing up for so many years.
We had your breakdown, which was optimistic but pointed out
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the mistakes.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
We had JT.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
O'Sullivan's breakdown, who was a bit more pessimistic but pointed
out the positives, and then that guy from Pro Football
Focus who thought that bo Nix was a dumpster fire.
And I still didn't understand that portion of it exactly
as it goes. But I do want to focus on
what you saw out of bo Nicks, the positives, the negative,
where we can get better, and where you stand on
this as a first outing.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Yeah, I mean I think first and foremost in like
the breakdown world, like the you know, it's tough because
it's like we got all of remember pre season week
one right, So to me, it's like, you know, we
all want to draw conclusions and it's like human nature.
I mean I want to do the same, especially after,
like you know, we've lived through what we lived through
in Broncos Country. It's like I too would like to
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be like, oh, I think this kid is the man,
and the reality is I thought there was some pretty
darn good stuff on tape. I think the way he
plays with anticipation I think is right up seam Payton's alley, right.
I think how fast he gets the bar of his
paw in the quick game, I think is right up
his alley. I think his willingness outside of clip number one,
which I think we could really talk through, but his
willingness to like not put the bond harm's way I
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think as a pro is going to pay dividends for him.
With Sean, I do think, like listen, he got out
of the pocket way too early. I thought I thought
there were times where it's like, instead of climbing the pocket,
we're trying to full blown bail in the pocket. And
we talked through that, and then I think there's other
things where to me it's like I would have loved
to see him work his progression in certain areas. And
you know, there was a shallow cross that's open on
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third down that hey, we could convert if we just
hit the shallow and stead he scrambles, but he does
get the first down. So I do think we have
to sometimes say like, Okay, hey, the result's good enough
for us to win football games, right either way we're
converting a third down. However, like it buys us some
time to coach him up on that, because if you're
a statue back there right and you don't convert it.
You start to scramble and you don't convert, you know,
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then we're really actually hurting our ball club. So to me,
I thought it was overall a really good outing. I
really do. For a rookie preseason week one, I thought
it was pretty darn solid. I do think obviously there's
stuff to work on. I'm just not ready to act
like this was like, you know, this horrific start, and
I'm also not ready to act like it's like, you know,
I think the thing that the thing that's been great
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about my breakdowns, honestly, if I'm going to pat myself
on the back, is I was so bad in the
NFL that I can watch everyone objectively because I don't
have to compare them to myself because I was just awful, right,
And then there's some guys who break up down and
it's like, you know, they played fifteen years in the league,
but if you ask them, that's the best day of
fifteen anyone's ever seen me. It's like, you know, it's
all relative. We're all a ton of our own bias.
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Mine is just like, hey, I was awful, so you
know I would have thrown stick nod laid down the
middle too, if I got it called on my first
pro snap, So I get where Boonicks is coming from.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Well, damn it is what I was telling Ben as
far as is just kind of taking things with a
grain of salt as we see them, because this is both.
This was Bo's first time as an NFL quarterback taking
plays in a game of any sort, So let's not
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overjudge him. But still let's not over deliver on where
he is as a quarterback with some of the things
that you said. Like you said, well he got the
pocket a little sooner than you want to. What I
told Ben was, look, I get that, and we can
break things down with a fine tooth comb, But is
he getting positive yards? So how much should fans or
anyone breaking down those games that Bo's gonna pay play
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from here on out focus so much on well he
could have done this when he did something else that
led to something positive.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Yeah, I think it's really the thing that I like,
the thing that's attractive to it about me. Right, So
we just let's look at that third damn clip in
a vacuum. Technically you read it, you should get to
the shallow cross. Throw it there, He'll run he'll get
the first we moved the chains, right, So the net
result would have been moving the chain, okay, Instead Bo
misses it, scrambles and moves the chain. The the positive
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aspect to me is Bo's athleticism is going to bail
him out of some situations like that, right, It's going
to bail them out to where the Broncos are still converting.
The Broncos are still moving the ball down the field
with the chance to win a game in the NFL.
So we now have a little bit more time to
coach this kid versus if he was just like back
there and he can't move at all, or he doesn't
have this natural play making ability, then you sit there
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and you go like, okay, hey, can I even put
him out there, because you know, we're going from converting
this if I have like sit them in there to
not converting it, right, So to me, I think that's
the real positive takeaway. I do think the big joke
of the whole thing though, when you like really like
you know you tay Let's say, Bo Nicks and Caleb Williams, right,
some of these guys who broke down bow it was
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the worst football they'd ever seen. Those horrible bo held
onto a screen ball you know right, it was supposed
to be screening. He holds on it, creates a play,
throws at the shallow and it's good for seventeen. So
a screenplay broke down and instead of dirting the ball,
Bonnicks held on to it and completed it right for
a first down, and that was god awful. Same film,
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guy watches Caleb Williams climb up on a halfback screen right,
because we have a nickel pressure, he climbs up in
the pocket. No look shot puts it. Okay, So another
play that any coach probably would say, hey, let's not
do that. No look shot puts it goes for forty
and it was the greatest play we've seen from a
rookie quarterback. So to me, it's like, we've got to
take this all with a grain of salt. Either they're
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both bad, which they are both bad. You don't watch
your franchise quarterback doing either of those. Let's not go
ahead and step up and take a shot on HB
screen for no reason. If you're Caleb Williams, and let's
not hold the ball and let our guys get downfield.
If your Bonnicks right, but we do have to be
honest about these evaluations. But I think that's been my
issue with it is I feel like, you know, it's
like you watch JJ McCarthy stands in there and throws
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a red zone ball and everyone's like, you know, the
the world's on fire, that's the best ball they've seen.
It's like bo Nix holds the middle of the field safety,
gets outside and throws a dang good ball in the
red zone that really should have been caught by the
Reynolds kid, right. He didn't come down with it, And
I don't even know if we touched on those in
some of those breakdowns. So to me, it's just like
I think Bo is one of those guys that if
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you didn't like him coming out of college, nothing you
saw in preseason week one is gonna make you like, admit, oh, hey,
maybe this kid's a little better than I gave him
credit for. And that's just kind of like where he's
at right now. I think if you're Broncos Country, though,
I just would be excited about where he's at. I
take everything like you're saying, Nick with a grain of salt,
and I do think he's going to be able to
be more effective than maybe most young quarterbacks because of
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his athleticism and playmaking ability.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Talking with Tim Jenkins at T Jenkins Elite, I tend
to agree with you on the point you made earlier
bailing from clean pockets a little bit early. I mean,
I feel like that'll fix itself over time, when the
speed of the game slows down for him a little
bit and he's got a little less nerves and you know,
lightning through the veins and all that kind of stuff.
I feel like that'll correct itself. Hopefully it'll correct itself.
But overall, you know, I thought it was a positive debut.
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And I'm not the biggest Bonnicks honk. I'm not a
hater by any stretch, but I you know, I compared
him to Derek Carr as a quarterback. I think it's
a favorable comparison in terms of armstrang processing, taking what
a defense gives you, getting it out quick, no negative plays,
that kind of stuff, And I don't think that's I
don't think it's derogatory at all. Derek Carr was a
perfectly fine quarterback, top third of the league quarterback, you know,
for a long time there. I think Bo Nicks has
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the ability to be a top half of the league quarterback,
even if he's not a top eight, top ten quarterback, whatever,
top half of the league quarterback. And that's that's more
than plenty to be able to win with in this league.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, like yeah, it is always funny
when you compare people to Like in your mind, you're
like that God's a pretty dark, goodfl quarterback. You feel
the comparison out there. Then people on Twitter are like,
you're a horrible person. It's like hold the phone, because
I'm pretty sure Derek Carr's made probably a quarter billion
dollars playing quarterback. He gonna be all right. Plus he's
pretty good at doing it, so it's like it's a
fair comparison. Here's what I would say too that we
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can't discount. I mean, Drew Brees gets run out of
San Diego, right, and then he links up with a
guy named Sean Payton. Drew Brees was very much on
his way to being Garret carr ish, right, you could
make the argument. And then plus coming off the injury
no one knows gonna happen, and then Sean Payton takes
him into a whole different statuspere. To me, it's like,
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not only do you have this where I think everyone
looks at Bonnicks and says, yeh, NFL ability, right, we
can all agree that his NFL like Raws skill set
is there, but we're pairing him with a guy who
I think has a knack for making the most out
of quarterbacks who will play within the structure of his offense.
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I think what I probably discounted, and I would say
a lot of people discounted when you looked at the
Russ and Sean marriage, was I discounted? I thought, Hey,
Russ has seen enough live bullets to where he's not
going to have to rely on getting out of the
pocket and like extending the play always to generate big plays.
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That was a miss, right, Like if Russ isn't getting
out of the pocket, there are no big plays because
he just doesn't see it like most quarterbacks of his
stature see it, right, And that's not an insult on Russ.
It's just his game right now, I think so. To me,
it's like I think bow is more cut from the
kind of cloth that Sean Payton likes, and if you
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get him with somebody early and he can really shape
how he thinks about the game. I really think we
can't discount that. I think that's going to be really
big for the young quarterback, and I think it's gonna
be huge for the production overall this Denver offense.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Well, Tim, here is a play that gave me optimism
about bow because as a young quarterback, even though it's
in the preseason, you have to be able to identify
where the matchup is. I can't remember what the down
and distance was, but you get three receivers to the right,
it's gun weak and I think you got a running
back off to his left side and got Tim Patrick
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in the cut split, and you see the linebacker creeping
down and the linebacker looked like he's about to bring
pressure from the second level from the left side. Most
quarterbacks panic, but Bo didn't panic. He stayed with the reid,
He found the running back, and he threw a great pass.
And usually, and you can tell me because you play
a quarterback, when you see a guy that opened, sometimes
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as a tendency to overthrow or underthrow the running back,
but both put it right on him. To me, that
says a lot about the quarterback. When you saw that play,
what did it indicate to you.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Yeah, I do things. The layups are the toughest ones.
You should just see me at my family turkey bowl, right,
I don't have running down the field. You know that
one catchable. So yeah, I listen the bullet that you're
talking about. I thought that was a great one. First
and foremost, great play design, great execution. And then yeah,
I think I think Bo is seeing it really well.
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I think we saw it in that one. I think
the stick route where it's like, you know, he plays
chin to chin, it's a great ball. That's another highlight
of what I think Bo brings. I think the other
thing too that I was like pretty juiced up about
was you know there's a play where it's like it's
the same formation, right, it's three by one. The backside
receiver was on like a speed out I want to say,
or like a four step out. I don't know, but
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they're running, you know, they're running basically zoned to the field,
and the it's the backside guy who's really on the
RPO and it's like, you know, hey, he gets off,
he gets off covered, he throws it in the belly
and then he pulls it and he throws it and
I'm like, that's a really easy completion based on play
design and what it also tells you. And this is
like what I always think is funny, Like and I
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appreciate what Sean's doing where it's like, hey, you know,
he's got to earn it. But it's like, you don't
put in a play that Oregon ran a hundred times
unless bo Nick's gonna be your starter, right like your
plays like that, unless it's like, hey, this is gonna
be the guy. With that being said, I love seeing
stuff like that because I do think those are really
easy completions, comfortable completions like let's get the offensive feet
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moving forward, let's let's feel a little bit of momentum,
let's get the kid into the game. And I think
that was exciting. I also thought the run he had
off a red zone where we you know, brought the
y all the way across and leads up there. It's like,
I think that kind of stuff is exciting too to see.
You know, that's probably a part of his game that
I didn't really fully grasp that I think is going
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to translate is I do think he's pretty darn athletic
in terms of, hey, if we need to add him
as a number count in the run game every once
in a while between you know, all of a sudden,
the Broncos are healthy at running back again. Plus if
he's a little bit dynamic with his legs, the you're
gonna force a lot of teams into single high coverage.
And I still think this Broncos team is tough to
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cover in single high coverage, especially with Tim Patrick's back,
Like I really do you know They've got that rookie
out of camp who's making a ton of plays. I
think if you know, all of a sudden, these matchups
become tough if you're in single high and I don't
know how you could really come out and being with
safety against what you know Sean Payton loves to do,
which is pound the rock, the Broncos healthy at the
running back spot, and then a young kid who can
get out there and run if he has to.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Talking about Tim Jenkins, that TJ is the late last
one for me, Tim, you know your your last answer
kind of alludes to where I wanted to go with this,
And Nettie is is that Sean Payton looks like he's
kind of in his bag when bo Nick is out there.
I called him, I called Bo Nix's muse, because he
seems to want to be more creative when Bo's on it.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
We saw that out of that second drive.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
First drives a little shaky, but Bo came out there
in command, and we saw Sean Payton in his bag
a little bit. I haven't seen Sean Payton that creative
with play calling or a Sean Payton offense that creative
in play calling. Since Taysom Hill was running things back
there and they had they had to adjust fire a
little bit. I mean, the scheme looks stale when Lombardi
was in with the Chargers, it looked stale last year
when Pete Carmichael was running with the Saints, and of
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course we know the limited playbook with Russ last year.
It looks like Sean Payton really has found his muse.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Yeah, I think you're dead on. And I also think
you brought up such a good comparison and Taysom Hill.
And let me tell you why I think it's the
perfect comparison is because no matter who you talk to
in the NFL, no one's ever said about Sean Payton
that he's humble, right, Like everyone's always been like this
dude is stubborn on what he thinks. He took Taysom
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Hill with the intention of showing everybody in the league, Hey,
I'll make this guy a quarterback or I'll make him
whatever I want and he'll still be effective playing quarterbacks.
He just took Bonix and there's a lot of people
telling him that's a dumb draft pick. If you want
to really get Sean Payton fired up, let him know
how stupid you think he is, because then all of
a sudden, what you're gonna see a preseason game is
we're gonna run pick and we're gonna run HB bullet,
and we're gonna make sure this kid has a great game,
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right Like I think, I think you're dead on and
that it was fun to see him get creative. I
also think it's hilarious and that we're seeing more creativity
in preseason week one than we saw in Week fourteen
or real football last year. So it only gets me
more excited to see what's gonna happen when it means something, right, like,
what's gonna happen when all of a sudden this football
game camps. I think we're gonna see some pretty dynamic offense,
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and I think it's gonna be, you know, really like
you're saying, because I think wants to lean into bow.
And I think Bo was probably in there sitting there like,
hey man, I'm pretty darn lucky to have this guy's
my head coach. Let me go ahead and listen everything
he has to say.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Well, Tim, we always appreciate it. Looking forward to talking
to you again. And I am wearing the original Jenkins
Elite ball cap right here. It looks like the first
one off the line is brown and is no longer white.
I'm just letting you know I might need to wash
this thing.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
And here's the big thing that's exciting is the last
like fourteen months of my life, I've been basically a
general contractor. We did remodel Coche, and we are now
out of the remodel phase. We're living in the house.
I feel like I got free time. I might be
able to actually get you guys some gear. I might
be able to kind of honor my word. You guys
got to ask Grant though, But I mean I texted
Grant saying, hey, if you guys need me, I'm here.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Grant's been holding out, really, Tim, so cause.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
You guys know I wouldn't responding to poor Grant. I
was treating him like, you know, my next girlfriend. It's like, hey,
I've been married for ten years. I can't respond of
that anymore, right, you know, Listen, I'm pumped up to
be back with you guys. I promise I'll drop in studio,
bring some gear, I'll bring some love, you know. And
I'm pumped up. I appreciate you guys having me.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
You know, you know the loves all on this side
of the table. Brother, We'll see you soon, see you
guys absolutely, Tim Jenkins, T Jenkins Elite, Nick Fergus, and
I will be back after this
Benjamin Albright, Nick Ferguson Hall of Famer Steve Atwater in studio. Guys,
we got the Packers coming to town for joint practices
at a preseason game. I think we're all cautiously optimistic
about what bo Nick showed against the Cults Packers a
little bit of a different animal. And what do we
want to see in this game, not just from bow
Nick's but what do we want to see from this
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Denver Broncos team, Because you know, I've often said that
the difference between the preseason and the regular season is
everything in the preseason matters except the final score. Nothing
in the regular season matters except the final score. When
we look at this, it doesn't really matter if they
win or lose. But what specifically are we looking at
from the players in this game?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Well, I would say more than anything, that they've made
some progress throughout camp. You know, from the start of
camp to now, you've gotten better. You understand your responsibilities
really well. You're playing together, you're playing physical, and you're
playing smart. I would say that's the biggest thing that
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I'm looking for the difference from when you reported the
training camp to today. Now, specifically, I want to see
our secondary be more on the same page. It seems
like watch some of the practices, they weren't on the
same page all the time, and that's going to be
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key that they communicate and be on the same page.
Jonah ellis on that edge man. He's going to be
a great addition to go along with Jonathan Cooper Browning,
Nick Bonito. We got some studs out there now. Now,
we haven't got any these acts yet, but I believe
it's coming and I want to hope to see that.
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In addition to all the offensive stuff, I want to
see the receivers do well.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
It was part of that because Zach Allen and John
Frank la Myers didn't play. I mean, we really haven't
seen the lethality of the front seven just yet because
we didn't even see the two biggest pieces.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah. Oh, I definitely think that has something to do
with it.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
With the two big dogs in there, you're gonna have
to take up You're gonna have to use more than
one blocker on them, and it's gonna provide some opportunities
for those age rush to make some plays on the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Well, the big thing that I'm looking forward to with
this joint practice with the Packers is for me watching
guys compete and watching competition across every position, but more
importantly in the secondary, where the Broncos are going to
have to lean on that group heavily because one of
the playmakers that was in the secondary last year, Justin Simmons,
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he's no longer there, so someone else has to step up,
not named PS two. Right, So when you think about
Christian Watson, Dobbs, Read Luke Musgrave, these are all great
guys who when they get out in space, they can
do damage with receiving the ball and.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Then we run after the catch. I want to see
how the.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Broncos secondary actually matches up and how well they compete. Now,
the other aspect of it, which will impact bow knicks
is how the Broncos offensive line as a group responds
to the love of pressure that they're going to receive.
And once again you're not going to see a lot
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of dynamic blitz is called. But I know their defensive coordinator,
I worked under him in San Francisco, Jeff Haffley, and
Halfley's always been waiting for this opportunity to show that
what he can do as a defensive coordinator so he's
going to finest things in practice, but then he's still
going to give a couple of punch points on Sunday
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when the Broncos play. So I want to see how
the offensive line handles that's going to be aggressive on defense.
Oh yes, most definitely they're going to be aggressive, and
not in the form of coming up with elaborate blitz plays.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
But can you win with your front four?
Speaker 4 (03:52):
And that's going to be very vital for the growth
of bow knicks sewing. As though he's got a stable
office of the line in front of him.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
The Packers aren't going to play there starters, so that'll
be an added advantage for for bow in this one.
But Green Bay's got some talent on the defensive side
of the ball, specifically upfront. That front seven they're backup
secondary is not what I would call great, but you know.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Is what it is?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Is there is there anything else you want to see
any of the other quarterbacks, Chart Stidham, Zach Wilson, You know.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I want to I really want to see see both
of those guys play well, both Jared Stidham and and
Zach Wilson, and I want to see one of them
emerge as the obvious quarterback that's going to be either
starting or behind Bo Nicks. I want I want to
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see that separation, you know, I think Bow has I
don't know if he's done enough for the coaches to
name him the starting quarterback yet. I think if he
follows up last week's game with another nice performance in
practice on Friday and the game in the second preseason
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game against the Packers, I think he can.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Throw it up.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
But those other two guys, Zach Wilson had a nice game,
pretty pretty good game, and so can Jared Stidham come
back and have a good showing in the game.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
And he's got to get more plays too.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
You know, he didn't have nearly as many plays as
both Zach and Bo did this last game. Hopefully he'll
have a chance to really show what he can do
and you know, see.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Where he is in the competition.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I wanted to be obvious who the starter should be,
who should the second quarterback be, and.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Who should the third quarterback be.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Well, the one thing that has happened with his quarterback
battle is you the nail on the head, Steve. There
hasn't really been separation by any guy. No one has
done something that's like it's a bunch of oohs and odds,
and he's.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
They're really separated themselves.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
And when you have the discussion, he said, well, there's
a tremendous gap between one and two that hasn't happened
because Stidham only had like maybe seven plays. But we
saw a lot of Zach Wilson, and we saw a
lot of bon Nicks, which you need to see of
those guys, and I hope the Broncos are just full transparency.
I hope they keep all three guys because it may
come to pay Hill where you're going to need all
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three of the guys. But there hasn't really been separation.
So before we even get to the game on Sunday,
it has to start with separation for the guys in practice, because,
like Ben said, the starters are not going to play
for Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
But they're sure going to practice.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
And this is where you can set yourself apart if
you are Zach Wilson, Jeri Stitham, or even bon Nicks.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Question for you, though I know we are outsiders, you
know insider, which is weird.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
We're outsiders in terms we're not in the meetings, we
don't know exactly what these guys are supposed to be
doing when they're competing at the quarterback position. Do you
think the guys in the rooms with them, you think
they already have a picking order.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I mean, I think in their.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Minds, like you know, a majority of them think that
one quarterback should be the starter.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's pretty I think I
think people understand the business of the game too. You know,
if you got drafted at twelve, you're going to be
the starter eventually, one way or the other. So I
think there's you know.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I think I think that was drafted number two. Yeah,
but he was he was traded for a six rounder. Yeah,
Broncos investment was a six rounder. Look.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I mean I think that in that room there are
guys that think that there's something to be said for
tools Zach. There's something to be said for being a veteran,
been around the league a while. For Jarrett, there's somebody
be said for being drafted twelve. But at the end
of the day, you go out the field and you produce,
and if you produce, you're going to be the guy.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
See what it comes down to is who do you
believe in?
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Because at the end of the day when things get tight,
do I believe on a two minute drive, if we
need that, this guy can lead us down in two minutes.
I always go back to this, when the Broncos were
in position when I think it was twenty fifteen, is
going to Super Bowl fifty and they were playing the
Chargers here at home. Peyton hadn't played in a while,
and everyone was just like, Okay, well he's kind of
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a shell of himself. They made a switch at that point,
and even though that Peyton was not the best version
of himself, there was a belief in everyone on the
field at that time. And I know I've spoken to
the offensive line, and when Peyton came in, it was like,
tighten up, here's a sheriff.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Let's go. And even our good friend John Bigano even he.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Was like, gosh, don it, here came Peyton. So with
the Broncos players, you're absolutely right, Stephen, You're on the
something there. There is a belief in that locker room
of each individual guy.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
But it's different.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
And to your point, Ben, they are players who are
like man, you see Zach spinnet Man, I see why
he's the first.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
He was the first. He was drafted as high as
he was because.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
He has those skills and you can see guys talking
about them. But also go back to which guy do
you believe as a player who's going to give you
an opportunity to win ball games? And and just so happens,
that's the guy that you're going to fight for.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
And it's like, we have some guys on the team
getting up there in the number of years they played,
played the things, they want to win, and they want
the best guy in there, and we can't be wrong
in the guy that we selected for that.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
If you showed me that Benjamin Albright gave the Broncos
the best opportunity to win as quarterbacks, I say, sign
his ass up and let him start the game.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
But I'm not gonna say that.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Conversely, every other quarterback in the world would be dead.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Your last option. Literally this is literally the post. Every
other quarterback and the Broncos ain't steve you positive.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Every other quarterback was raptured and God was like, now
you got to stay better. Yeah, I need you a
quarterback that Broncos.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Oh man, Yes, I mean Alex Smithy. Just looking offense
you've ever saw was it? Would you run the ball
in the entire time at this age. No, I would
not be trying to run the ball and get hit
at all. Was you running your play?
Speaker 5 (10:14):
No?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Why would you not running?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Because I'm paying a buck sixty and I'm not trying
to get destroyed by Max Crosby.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I want CTE by the end of the year.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Would you would you suggest Sean Payton put that playing
to play book for Cam Newton for you?
Speaker 4 (10:29):
No game, game, game on the line? Time is running
out you in a perfect red meat right now?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yes, red zone. No, I'm never running that. Twenty five
years ago, I'd be doumbanough to run it.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Your team man, twenty five years ago, i'd be dominant
to try it.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I get smoked to try it.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Come on. Whatever happens is sacrifice in oneself for the
betterment of the team.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Well, there's what efforge in that the.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Betterment of the team part is carrying a lot of
weight in that sentence.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Because I don't think he running.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I don't think he running QB power for the diver
Broncos right, it might not work.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Work.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah, here, five ten bucks sixty. Let's have you on
the veer because now I don't think you're a good coach.
I think we're good coach.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Literally, any other play you have is gonna be more successful. Yeah,
Taysom Hill, I'm running that play for Taysom Hill. I'm
not running that play for Benjamin aal Bright.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Okay, it's a naked play. You fake the inside handoff
and then you go around the edge.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
No, you fake the inside handoff and then you follow
the handoff as a lead blocker.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
So that's that's the play.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
No.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
But but I'm giving you an opportunity because now, just
like remember the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Do you understand that I'm like forty three years old.
I get I'm the old fact.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Whether to Davis Till coach shantahand when he said you
had migraines, right, he was like, coach, I can't I
can't see.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
You don't have to see on this Mike said, you
don't have to see. And you know what, the.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Coolest thing I've said this time and time again, Sorelle
didn't even question it. Yes, he didn't say no, coach,
must be losing your mind.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Went in and if the coach got that kind of pedigree, cool,
But if a coach is looking at me, and I serious,
look at me, every single one of you on the
sideline is.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Looking at him with wait what.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
But that's how the much the game has changed, too,
because I don't think many players these days if they
were dizzy and.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
They said they couldn't see, yeah, yeah, you don't need
to see on his play, nobody, coach, I can't even see.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
This guy's got Stevie Wonder glasses on the outside of
his helm. But he's feeling, you know, feeling his way
out there. I mean, I mean, you know, I mean,
we we all we all of us have had the
wind knocked out of here or you're belt wrung or
whatever you want to call it, you know, and they like,
I mean, I'd get back out throwing up, and coaches like,
yeah what you okay?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
You got it out there? Yeah you know, I mean
how many fingers I got up to? You're good? What
you know? You know what it is.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
It's funny that Steve mentioned that the ball concussions because
as a young pup coming into the league, guys would
tell you certain things like, if you get can cut
in the game, always say two.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Fingers, no matter no matter what, it was always the same.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
How many things have a two fuss common just like
wouldn't see on the A C T all the way
down and knowing your guesses because it was common letters.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I'm just that. But yeah, that sounds like something. Look
at his face, Look at his face. I'll score too
high to be doing that. Not to be bragging here,
but I scored way too high.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Off air. But there's a reason a small school suddenly
had a spike.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
At A C T scores for one for one year.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
And I'll tell you. I'll tell you that story off
the here, really really quickly.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I always thought that that interaction in the video of
showing that conversation between Toro Davis and Mike Shanahan was
so iconic for so many reasons because you bring up
a valid point. Players today will not do that, and
we talk about sacrifice, and the thing is.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Is like even if they wanted to, they couldn't, right.
I mean, I'm not sure they should medically.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
But at the same time, it goes back to trust
in your I mean that we're going back to let's
put aside the medical and all that kind stuff for
a sec just just trusting your coach.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
He built up that, that pedigree, he built up. Okay,
I got this, Mike said, they're not going to believe
it if you're not in there.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
And TD didn't question it, he just tried to rap
back on there.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Man, I have so much respect for my guy from that.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
A that's man.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, I get that's an awfair story about him too.
That's not not a negative one, but it's a he's
you know, he looked out for me when he didn't
have to. I'll just say that. Yeah, he's always TV's
always gonna be solid gold in my bookop.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
But see, that's the quintessential point of what being invested
as a teammate is. And I said to you early
before the guys in the locker room, believing you got
to believe like Terrell believed in that moment, right, And
if they do believe in that and like that, could
the Broncos win seven eight there? I say, nine games,
(14:46):
it's a possibility, but you have to believe first that
it's it's it can happen.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, Well, I believe we got to hit a break.
I believe we've got Tim Jenkins. Will we come back?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I believe it's always fun with the Hall of Famer
Steve Out What are you listening to? Broncos Country Night?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Right here on Ka.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Welcome back to it, Broncos Country Tonight. Ben's with all Bright,
Nick Ferguson, I go right out so you can't wait
comment Spirital Hotline. Bring on our guy, Tim Jenkins at
T Jenkins Elite. Tim, it's been too long, buddy.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
I know, I know when I'm pumped up. We're back.
We got some football to break down. I think it's
It's an exciting.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Time, boys, Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I talked about I retweeted four different film breakdowns. It
was obviously yours, the Chase Daniel, J T. O'Sullivan, and
then somebody named I think it's like Jackson McLean or something.
I don't know, a distant relative of John McLean.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
I don't know. And it was.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Four different viewpoints on the tape. And I always find
it interesting how we get, you know, different eyes and
the lenses we view things through. Chase Daniel basically had
Bo Nicks as the second coming of Pat Maholmes, which
I thought was a little excessive, although Chase belongs in
the Finesse Hall of Fame for the bag he stole
from the league for backing up for so many years.
We had your breakdown, which was optimistic but pointed out
(16:14):
the mistakes.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
We had JT.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
O'Sullivan's breakdown, who was a bit more pessimistic but pointed
out the positives, and then that guy from Pro Football
Focus who thought that bo Nix was a dumpster fire.
And I still didn't understand that portion of it exactly
as it goes. But I do want to focus on
what you saw out of bo Nicks, the positives, the negative,
where we can get better, and where you stand on
this as a first outing.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Yeah, I mean I think first and foremost in like
the breakdown world, like the you know, it's tough because
it's like we got all of remember pre season week
one right, So to me, it's like, you know, we
all want to draw conclusions and it's like human nature.
I mean I want to do the same, especially after,
like you know, we've lived through what we lived through
in Broncos Country. It's like I too would like to
(16:59):
be like, oh, I think this kid is the man,
and the reality is I thought there was some pretty
darn good stuff on tape. I think the way he
plays with anticipation I think is right up seam Payton's alley, right.
I think how fast he gets the bar of his
paw in the quick game, I think is right up
his alley. I think his willingness outside of clip number one,
which I think we could really talk through, but his
willingness to like not put the bond harm's way I
(17:21):
think as a pro is going to pay dividends for him.
With Sean, I do think, like listen, he got out
of the pocket way too early. I thought I thought
there were times where it's like, instead of climbing the pocket,
we're trying to full blown bail in the pocket. And
we talked through that, and then I think there's other
things where to me it's like I would have loved
to see him work his progression in certain areas. And
you know, there was a shallow cross that's open on
(17:43):
third down that hey, we could convert if we just
hit the shallow and stead he scrambles, but he does
get the first down. So I do think we have
to sometimes say like, Okay, hey, the result's good enough
for us to win football games, right either way we're
converting a third down. However, like it buys us some
time to coach him up on that, because if you're
a statue back there right and you don't convert it.
You start to scramble and you don't convert, you know,
(18:05):
then we're really actually hurting our ball club. So to me,
I thought it was overall a really good outing. I
really do. For a rookie preseason week one, I thought
it was pretty darn solid. I do think obviously there's
stuff to work on. I'm just not ready to act
like this was like, you know, this horrific start, and
I'm also not ready to act like it's like, you know,
I think the thing that the thing that's been great
(18:26):
about my breakdowns, honestly, if I'm going to pat myself
on the back, is I was so bad in the
NFL that I can watch everyone objectively because I don't
have to compare them to myself because I was just awful, right,
And then there's some guys who break up down and
it's like, you know, they played fifteen years in the league,
but if you ask them, that's the best day of
fifteen anyone's ever seen me. It's like, you know, it's
all relative. We're all a ton of our own bias.
(18:48):
Mine is just like, hey, I was awful, so you
know I would have thrown stick nod laid down the
middle too, if I got it called on my first
pro snap, So I get where Boonicks is coming from.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Well, damn it is what I was telling Ben as
far as is just kind of taking things with a
grain of salt as we see them, because this is both.
This was Bo's first time as an NFL quarterback taking
plays in a game of any sort, So let's not
(19:17):
overjudge him. But still let's not over deliver on where
he is as a quarterback with some of the things
that you said. Like you said, well he got the
pocket a little sooner than you want to. What I
told Ben was, look, I get that, and we can
break things down with a fine tooth comb, But is
he getting positive yards? So how much should fans or
anyone breaking down those games that Bo's gonna pay play
(19:40):
from here on out focus so much on well he
could have done this when he did something else that
led to something positive.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Yeah, I think it's really the thing that I like,
the thing that's attractive to it about me. Right, So
we just let's look at that third damn clip in
a vacuum. Technically you read it, you should get to
the shallow cross. Throw it there, He'll run he'll get
the first we moved the chains, right, So the net
result would have been moving the chain, okay, Instead Bo
misses it, scrambles and moves the chain. The the positive
(20:09):
aspect to me is Bo's athleticism is going to bail
him out of some situations like that, right, It's going
to bail them out to where the Broncos are still converting.
The Broncos are still moving the ball down the field
with the chance to win a game in the NFL.
So we now have a little bit more time to
coach this kid versus if he was just like back
there and he can't move at all, or he doesn't
have this natural play making ability, then you sit there
(20:31):
and you go like, okay, hey, can I even put
him out there, because you know, we're going from converting
this if I have like sit them in there to
not converting it, right, So to me, I think that's
the real positive takeaway. I do think the big joke
of the whole thing though, when you like really like
you know you tay Let's say, Bo Nicks and Caleb Williams, right,
some of these guys who broke down bow it was
(20:52):
the worst football they'd ever seen. Those horrible bo held
onto a screen ball you know right, it was supposed
to be screening. He holds on it, creates a play,
throws at the shallow and it's good for seventeen. So
a screenplay broke down and instead of dirting the ball,
Bonnicks held on to it and completed it right for
a first down, and that was god awful. Same film,
(21:12):
guy watches Caleb Williams climb up on a halfback screen right,
because we have a nickel pressure, he climbs up in
the pocket. No look shot puts it. Okay, So another
play that any coach probably would say, hey, let's not
do that. No look shot puts it goes for forty
and it was the greatest play we've seen from a
rookie quarterback. So to me, it's like, we've got to
take this all with a grain of salt. Either they're
(21:35):
both bad, which they are both bad. You don't watch
your franchise quarterback doing either of those. Let's not go
ahead and step up and take a shot on HB
screen for no reason. If you're Caleb Williams, and let's
not hold the ball and let our guys get downfield.
If your Bonnicks right, but we do have to be
honest about these evaluations. But I think that's been my
issue with it is I feel like, you know, it's
like you watch JJ McCarthy stands in there and throws
(21:55):
a red zone ball and everyone's like, you know, the
the world's on fire, that's the best ball they've seen.
It's like bo Nix holds the middle of the field safety,
gets outside and throws a dang good ball in the
red zone that really should have been caught by the
Reynolds kid, right. He didn't come down with it, And
I don't even know if we touched on those in
some of those breakdowns. So to me, it's just like
I think Bo is one of those guys that if
(22:16):
you didn't like him coming out of college, nothing you
saw in preseason week one is gonna make you like, admit, oh, hey,
maybe this kid's a little better than I gave him
credit for. And that's just kind of like where he's
at right now. I think if you're Broncos Country, though,
I just would be excited about where he's at. I
take everything like you're saying, Nick with a grain of salt,
and I do think he's going to be able to
be more effective than maybe most young quarterbacks because of
(22:40):
his athleticism and playmaking ability.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Talking with Tim Jenkins at T Jenkins Elite, I tend
to agree with you on the point you made earlier
bailing from clean pockets a little bit early. I mean,
I feel like that'll fix itself over time, when the
speed of the game slows down for him a little
bit and he's got a little less nerves and you know,
lightning through the veins and all that kind of stuff.
I feel like that'll correct itself. Hopefully it'll correct itself.
But overall, you know, I thought it was a positive debut.
(23:06):
And I'm not the biggest Bonnicks honk. I'm not a
hater by any stretch, but I you know, I compared
him to Derek Carr as a quarterback. I think it's
a favorable comparison in terms of armstrang processing, taking what
a defense gives you, getting it out quick, no negative plays,
that kind of stuff, And I don't think that's I
don't think it's derogatory at all. Derek Carr was a
perfectly fine quarterback, top third of the league quarterback, you know,
for a long time there. I think Bo Nicks has
(23:28):
the ability to be a top half of the league quarterback,
even if he's not a top eight, top ten quarterback, whatever,
top half of the league quarterback. And that's that's more
than plenty to be able to win with in this league.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, like yeah, it is always funny
when you compare people to Like in your mind, you're
like that God's a pretty dark, goodfl quarterback. You feel
the comparison out there. Then people on Twitter are like,
you're a horrible person. It's like hold the phone, because
I'm pretty sure Derek Carr's made probably a quarter billion
dollars playing quarterback. He gonna be all right. Plus he's
pretty good at doing it, so it's like it's a
fair comparison. Here's what I would say too that we
(24:00):
can't discount. I mean, Drew Brees gets run out of
San Diego, right, and then he links up with a
guy named Sean Payton. Drew Brees was very much on
his way to being Garret carr ish, right, you could
make the argument. And then plus coming off the injury
no one knows gonna happen, and then Sean Payton takes
him into a whole different statuspere. To me, it's like,
(24:22):
not only do you have this where I think everyone
looks at Bonnicks and says, yeh, NFL ability, right, we
can all agree that his NFL like Raws skill set
is there, but we're pairing him with a guy who
I think has a knack for making the most out
of quarterbacks who will play within the structure of his offense.
(24:43):
I think what I probably discounted, and I would say
a lot of people discounted when you looked at the
Russ and Sean marriage, was I discounted? I thought, Hey,
Russ has seen enough live bullets to where he's not
going to have to rely on getting out of the
pocket and like extending the play always to generate big plays.
(25:06):
That was a miss, right, Like if Russ isn't getting
out of the pocket, there are no big plays because
he just doesn't see it like most quarterbacks of his
stature see it, right, And that's not an insult on Russ.
It's just his game right now, I think so. To me,
it's like I think bow is more cut from the
kind of cloth that Sean Payton likes, and if you
(25:26):
get him with somebody early and he can really shape
how he thinks about the game. I really think we
can't discount that. I think that's going to be really
big for the young quarterback, and I think it's gonna
be huge for the production overall this Denver offense.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Well, Tim, here is a play that gave me optimism
about bow because as a young quarterback, even though it's
in the preseason, you have to be able to identify
where the matchup is. I can't remember what the down
and distance was, but you get three receivers to the right,
it's gun weak and I think you got a running
back off to his left side and got Tim Patrick
(26:02):
in the cut split, and you see the linebacker creeping
down and the linebacker looked like he's about to bring
pressure from the second level from the left side. Most
quarterbacks panic, but Bo didn't panic. He stayed with the reid,
He found the running back, and he threw a great pass.
And usually, and you can tell me because you play
a quarterback, when you see a guy that opened, sometimes
(26:23):
as a tendency to overthrow or underthrow the running back,
but both put it right on him. To me, that
says a lot about the quarterback. When you saw that play,
what did it indicate to you.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Yeah, I do things. The layups are the toughest ones.
You should just see me at my family turkey bowl, right,
I don't have running down the field. You know that
one catchable. So yeah, I listen the bullet that you're
talking about. I thought that was a great one. First
and foremost, great play design, great execution. And then yeah,
I think I think Bo is seeing it really well.
(26:58):
I think we saw it in that one. I think
the stick route where it's like, you know, he plays
chin to chin, it's a great ball. That's another highlight
of what I think Bo brings. I think the other
thing too that I was like pretty juiced up about
was you know there's a play where it's like it's
the same formation, right, it's three by one. The backside
receiver was on like a speed out I want to say,
or like a four step out. I don't know, but
(27:20):
they're running, you know, they're running basically zoned to the field,
and the it's the backside guy who's really on the
RPO and it's like, you know, hey, he gets off,
he gets off covered, he throws it in the belly
and then he pulls it and he throws it and
I'm like, that's a really easy completion based on play
design and what it also tells you. And this is
like what I always think is funny, Like and I
(27:41):
appreciate what Sean's doing where it's like, hey, you know,
he's got to earn it. But it's like, you don't
put in a play that Oregon ran a hundred times
unless bo Nick's gonna be your starter, right like your
plays like that, unless it's like, hey, this is gonna
be the guy. With that being said, I love seeing
stuff like that because I do think those are really
easy completions, comfortable completions like let's get the offensive feet
(28:05):
moving forward, let's let's feel a little bit of momentum,
let's get the kid into the game. And I think
that was exciting. I also thought the run he had
off a red zone where we you know, brought the
y all the way across and leads up there. It's like,
I think that kind of stuff is exciting too to see.
You know, that's probably a part of his game that
I didn't really fully grasp that I think is going
(28:26):
to translate is I do think he's pretty darn athletic
in terms of, hey, if we need to add him
as a number count in the run game every once
in a while between you know, all of a sudden,
the Broncos are healthy at running back again. Plus if
he's a little bit dynamic with his legs, the you're
gonna force a lot of teams into single high coverage.
And I still think this Broncos team is tough to
(28:47):
cover in single high coverage, especially with Tim Patrick's back,
Like I really do you know They've got that rookie
out of camp who's making a ton of plays. I
think if you know, all of a sudden, these matchups
become tough if you're in single high and I don't
know how you could really come out and being with
safety against what you know Sean Payton loves to do,
which is pound the rock, the Broncos healthy at the
running back spot, and then a young kid who can
get out there and run if he has to.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Talking about Tim Jenkins, that TJ is the late last
one for me, Tim, you know your your last answer
kind of alludes to where I wanted to go with this,
And Nettie is is that Sean Payton looks like he's
kind of in his bag when bo Nick is out there.
I called him, I called Bo Nix's muse, because he
seems to want to be more creative when Bo's on it.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
We saw that out of that second drive.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
First drives a little shaky, but Bo came out there
in command, and we saw Sean Payton in his bag
a little bit. I haven't seen Sean Payton that creative
with play calling or a Sean Payton offense that creative
in play calling. Since Taysom Hill was running things back
there and they had they had to adjust fire a
little bit. I mean, the scheme looks stale when Lombardi
was in with the Chargers, it looked stale last year
when Pete Carmichael was running with the Saints, and of
(29:46):
course we know the limited playbook with Russ last year.
It looks like Sean Payton really has found his muse.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Yeah, I think you're dead on. And I also think
you brought up such a good comparison and Taysom Hill.
And let me tell you why I think it's the
perfect comparison is because no matter who you talk to
in the NFL, no one's ever said about Sean Payton
that he's humble, right, Like everyone's always been like this
dude is stubborn on what he thinks. He took Taysom
(30:13):
Hill with the intention of showing everybody in the league, Hey,
I'll make this guy a quarterback or I'll make him
whatever I want and he'll still be effective playing quarterbacks.
He just took Bonix and there's a lot of people
telling him that's a dumb draft pick. If you want
to really get Sean Payton fired up, let him know
how stupid you think he is, because then all of
a sudden, what you're gonna see a preseason game is
we're gonna run pick and we're gonna run HB bullet,
and we're gonna make sure this kid has a great game,
(30:34):
right Like I think, I think you're dead on and
that it was fun to see him get creative. I
also think it's hilarious and that we're seeing more creativity
in preseason week one than we saw in Week fourteen
or real football last year. So it only gets me
more excited to see what's gonna happen when it means something, right, like,
what's gonna happen when all of a sudden this football
game camps. I think we're gonna see some pretty dynamic offense,
(30:56):
and I think it's gonna be, you know, really like
you're saying, because I think wants to lean into bow.
And I think Bo was probably in there sitting there like,
hey man, I'm pretty darn lucky to have this guy's
my head coach. Let me go ahead and listen everything
he has to say.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Well, Tim, we always appreciate it. Looking forward to talking
to you again. And I am wearing the original Jenkins
Elite ball cap right here. It looks like the first
one off the line is brown and is no longer white.
I'm just letting you know I might need to wash
this thing.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
And here's the big thing that's exciting is the last
like fourteen months of my life, I've been basically a
general contractor. We did remodel Coche, and we are now
out of the remodel phase. We're living in the house.
I feel like I got free time. I might be
able to actually get you guys some gear. I might
be able to kind of honor my word. You guys
got to ask Grant though, But I mean I texted
Grant saying, hey, if you guys need me, I'm here.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Grant's been holding out, really, Tim, so cause.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
You guys know I wouldn't responding to poor Grant. I
was treating him like, you know, my next girlfriend. It's like, hey,
I've been married for ten years. I can't respond of
that anymore, right, you know, Listen, I'm pumped up to
be back with you guys. I promise I'll drop in studio,
bring some gear, I'll bring some love, you know. And
I'm pumped up. I appreciate you guys having me.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
You know, you know the loves all on this side
of the table. Brother, We'll see you soon, see you
guys absolutely, Tim Jenkins, T Jenkins Elite, Nick Fergus, and
I will be back after this
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