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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Right now, We're gonna run right back out to the
Kwait Cowspirtal hotline and for the first time bring on
Philip Dukes from on three at Duke's the Scoop. Philip,
How you doing this evening, man?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm great man. How you doing it?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Doing well?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Brother?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Doing well?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We uh.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
The coach brime situation is fascinating on multiple levels to
a lot of people, and I think recently, certainly video
of him had got out there being fairly surly with
some local reporters, some of whom we know, some of
whom we know very well. But there are there's more
to it than some of the things that you saw online.
(00:36):
And my first question you before we get into that,
is how is we know how this is viewed in
the Colorado region with the CU, but how is this
viewed on sort of a national level.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I think it's one of those things. Is a polarized
and tide deal, the same way that Colorado is when
everything else is either you love it or you hate it.
You got guys who feel like di Alan being sort
of a bully, and you got guys who feel like
Dianne was standing up for himself. So I think it's
based on your perception more than anything. On a national level,
(01:09):
I think it's super polarizing.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
So when you look at journalism as it is, because
you find yourself in this business, do you think that
a lot of individuals are missing the mark when it
comes to journalistic integrity?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I think though, And it's really funny. I'm glad you
asked me that. So a couple of weeks ago, I
was at the NABJ National Association with Black Journalists and
I'm doing a meeting and I'm doing a meeting with
a producer and they tell me don't turn around. Stephen A.
Smith is behind you, and I'm churving. I'm like, man,
you know this dude got security guards and everything, but
(01:49):
right right, And so I thought so they was like,
I mean, the producer was like, hey, look, dude, he
probably is a guy you want to talk to. So
when I dig get sense of talk to him. And
he took his time and we talked from maybe about
six seven minutes, and he said, you cannot afford to
lose your journalistic integrity because you have great relationships, because
(02:12):
you're somebody that's going to have to really tread lightly
when it comes to that and understand what you're doing
because you have a responsibility.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
As a journalist.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
And I be dog gone if not. Today I get
a call from the Steven A. Smith Show and they say, hey,
we're running your d article tonight.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
And in that article he literally from what.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I said about the situation. He told it all. I
ain't even watch it all because I don't want to
be responsible. Like I talked to Coach Prime earlier, I'm like, hey, Coach, hey,
I kept it close to the vents and he just
laughed and said, hey, I know you did, brother. But
I'm saying this, there is a very very thin line
to toe when it comes to relationships because when it
comes to journalistic integrity, because the last thing you want
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to do is to put people in a like. What
we don't understand is that people are human. It doesn't
matter what position you're in, They're still human. And if
somebody feels attacked, they react defensively. And that's so, and
as a journalist, you have to be careful about making
people react defensively. So when it comes to even the
past situation that we're talking about, there's a way to
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go about things. And for example, I had those farm
in an interview I deal with him about a month
ago at Big twelve Media Days. I asked him about
high school recruiting and he answered the question.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
And he did it in a way that only he could.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
When he called me a couple of days later, they said, dude,
you know all would have tow you up. I gave
you a past that you knew. And he said, hey, man,
you know a lot of people don't ask that. And
I said, you know what, coach, I got it. But
at the same time, you know, I got a job
to do, and he respected it, and I think that's
a sign. That's the line you have to sw It's
We talked about everything else. We talked about the shoes,
(03:55):
we talked about Shiloh, we talked about Shador, we talked
about Travis.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
But there there, you have to really pitch your spots.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And I pray on it, just just to be honest
about it, like I'm like, all right, what should I say?
And I think that really helps me as far as
gooding relationships.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Talking with Philip Dukes from on three at Dukes the
Scoop on Twitter. Will walk us through this because I
think everybody saw the video of how he reacted, but
not everybody may have seen what you put out there,
So walk us through this a little bit and and
help us get some context to the situation.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Well, basically, I just kind of I kind of think
it from a different approach because what I saw was
the narrative being painted that Dion was a coach and
the coach Prime was upset about a CBA writer making
a ranking of DIG twelve coaches where he was second
to last in the conference. And I knew that wasn't it,
(04:48):
And uh, I had to I was. I was previous
to some information about one of the reasons why Coach
Prime may have been upset, And as we talk about
journalistic integrity, I said, well, I know some of this
and maybe I could send it first. And I said,
now you know what I'm gonna doing. I didn't send
that video to anybody. I put it out and I said,
(05:08):
I'll deal with what comes from it, and I'll do
the best job I can of doing my job and
still maintaining a personal relationships. And basically what it was
the video was just basically saying, hey, look, the last
thing he's worried about is a guy making a football
fact based opinion ranking on where he sees Deon Sanders
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probably the most celebrated defensive player of all time, depending
on who you ask, A million people have said where
they ranked him. That doesn't bother him. What bothers him
is when somebody consistently says things about him that don't
have anything to do with football. And I think that's
part of the reason he responded to the other writer
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the way that he did. And I just kind of
call both of those things out in the video. And
I also share it from light on a situation that
I knew that was happening between him and CBS Sports
where they had a joint project, a joint venture that didn't.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
See I did this part, the CBS didn't do.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Their part, and they had a really good working relationship
that stans over a couple of decades. So with that
being said, it was kind of like, you know, that
wasn't a reason, but I wanted to be sure that
I just let people know it wasn't the ranking. And
Steven Natefielth just came today. He literally just came about
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an hour ago, and Batty cleaned up and explained the
whole situation.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
So some of this because I have friends on both
East West Coast, and they are all in on what's
going on and see you even though they don't live here.
But there is kind of a consensus that well with
Coach Prime and well off media and all the publications
that they're doing to showcase the players and coaches and
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what they're doing in Boulder, that there is this underline
current of I guess the stain and negativity beings erected
at Coach Prime. Do you think that he and the
program are being unfairly judged.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Some people? Yeah, I don't think everybody is unfairly judging them,
I think. But when you do, like anybody that has
any type of swagger, anybody that has any type of bravado,
if you got a bot when you walk, they are
gonna be people who don't have that bot that look
at you in a certain way. Because people usually fear
what they don't understand, and when people fear things, a
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lot of times they say, I don't like this, So
think about going to six Flags or anywhere with roller coasters.
If a god says if a guy scared of the heights,
he's gonna say, what, I don't like roller coasters? And
it's the same thing. If you don't, if you have
a fear or you don't understand something, then it's gonna
put you in a light where you're gonna pay things negatively.
And I think that's part of the reason why some
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people react the way they do. Well. When you look
at Colorado's fan base, they're damn near a rabbit. I
mean they are, like.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
You can't say anything.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
About Coach Brown without them going on. It's even exchange.
Like I think it's a very even exchange. You got
guys who can't stand Colorado, and you got people that
love Colorado, and then you have and let me let
me rephrase that, you got people that love Coach Brown,
and you got people that hate Coach prom and then
you've got people who literally love the Colorado Buffalo's regardless
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of who's in the Captus chair, who've been there for years,
all the way back to Cordella's throwart in Westbrooks. So
I think when you kind of segment the fan chip
and the haters all together, that you find out are
these Nebraska fans Because a lot of people don't know
on a national level how serious the robbery is between
Colorado and Nebraska. So when you see a Nebraska fan
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from if you're in Atlanta, Georgia, where Deon Sanders basically
raised my generation as a football player and a culture
or influencer. We don't understand that people from Nebraska aren't
gonna like Dion because he's the coach of Colorado. They
think it's it's because the Dion and I think when
people starting to dive into the reasons why, there's a
lot of understanding there. And I think that's a big
(09:07):
part of the issue there of when it comes to
people not liking Colorado or how polarizeding Colorado is.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Talking with Philip Dukes from all three at Dukes the Scoop,
it was the pointing out to Nick earlier, It's not
like Prime is doing something that no one has ever
done before. I mean, this is how Pete Carroll built
USC But Pete Carroll didn't get the same pushback that
Dion Sanders is getting. Is that because of Dion's sort
of in your face bravado. Is that because he's using
the transfer portal instead of traditional high school recruiting. Is
(09:37):
it a combination to people, as you pointed out, fearing
what they simply don't understand. Why is there this difference
in the way Pete Carroll was treated when he built
up USC by bringing rappers and DJs and all that
kind of stuff in during practices and Will Ferrell on
the sidelines and what Coach Prime is doing now with
Weezy and Wu Tang and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I think basically because Thot's Prime does it in a
way that only he can do it. So you can
go like Derrick Glansville for the Falcons had rappers on
the fire line like that, they're a president for it.
But there's never been a guy like Deon Sanders who
has the track record that he does, who's been who's
always had the brackado show, who's always brought the show,
(10:18):
and who's always brought the bazazz. There are twenty thirty
year Deon Sanders haters that are coming.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Along, and not just white people.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And excuse my language, I'm not trying to be I'm
not trying to be in fendia or anything. But think
about the people who are mad, Think about the African
Americans who are upset that Deion Sanders left Jackson State.
Like there's a huge amount of people who just don't
agree with how Deon Sanders uses his life and I
think that's the and I think that's what it is
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more than anything, because See Carroll is one of the
coolest guys ever. I got a chance to meet Marshawn Wentz,
and to hear Marshawn Lynch talk about Pete Carroll outside
of football, it will sound.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Like he's just uncle or his dad or something.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
So I think that the.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Underlying issue is it's not what Deanna is doing, is
how he does it well.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
My former Broncos teammate Shannon Sharp and Coach Prime's Baltimore
Raven's teammate, Shannon Sharp had some very interesting things to
say along the lines of this conversation when he suggested that, well,
maybe Coach Prime is lashing out because he's always been
used to being the best at everything that he's doing,
(11:32):
but he's not finding that same level of success with
to see you buffs. I mean, obviously, do you when
you hear something like that from another Hall of famer
talking about another Hall of famer who their friends? What's
the first thing that pops into your mind?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
How the.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Propped in my mind is why would you go on
the show without talking to him? I don't know for
a fact. He didn't. He didn't call them before he talked,
well before he spoke, And that's my thing. I'm like, look, bro,
if y'all are real, real friends, like you know, understanding,
this is somebody that I met in my profession that
took a liking to me because of how I rock.
She's my language, but now of how I handle.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
My business, it's all good, man, it's all good.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, yeah, okay, cool. Well their friends on a different level.
There's no way that me and you know each other
for as as teammates years years years and and and
far as the bond the way we have without me
calling you. And now this is no disrespect to Shannon
Sharp for anything, but man, I got to call him.
I'm like, hey, bro, are you upset about this?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Because him running that excuse me.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Shannon Sharp running that piece on Dion doesn't make or
break him or Dion. So it was a give or
take kind of thing. So there was nothing. If he
didn't run that, it wasn't gonna sex this show. So
my thing is just call him before you run it,
and if he says, don't forget it, like, because what
you're doing is you're towing that line that I spoke
about earlier. You've got a total line dog and if
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you know him, you got a direct line to him
like that, Call him and see what's really going on.
There's the reason that Dion Sanders tweeted me back is
because there was something that multiple people knew, but nobody
said that. And I know that to be true. And
the reason I'm on this radio show right now is
because he confirmed what I said.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
And I didn't call him before, but I.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Was already privy to certain information. I think that when
guys have information and you're not sure, I think that
a mistake was made by not communicating. I think it's
something that goes on in the world every day. How
many problems do we.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Have even at home when people just don't communicate?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Uh, just got through talking about something like that. Doesn't
break Funny you bring that up talking about Philip Dukes
Sefmore three at Duke's of Scoop. What do you say
to people that say that Coach Prime brings this on
himself because he asks for the attention, and he does
that in a way to build up a program that
has largely been nationally irrelevant for twenty years.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
And needs attention.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
But with positive attention comes negative attention as well.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
What do you say to that.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
He's built for it, That's all I say, He's built
for it. Like anybody think about this. In our jobs,
we know that people aren't going to agree with us.
I can't go read every comment on YouTube. You can't
go respond to every listener on Twitter who doesn't respond,
who doesn't respond in the positive fashion to some of
your takes. You have to have thick skin for the
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error that you that you frequent. And I think that's
the most important thing. And that's what I say to
gods who say, well, yeah, you know, he kind of
brought this on himself. I said, of course he did.
Like that's what he wanted, because if you want to
be great, everybody's not going to like you. My son
is in fifth grade. He's playing on the middle school
team and he's about five to one. I'm a short guy.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I'm like five to nine.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
My son is five to one already, right, and I'm
so geeked up about it. But if you think the
seventh grade mom who's fot he just took a corner,
isn't saying well, you got this deep greater out there.
But when you're doing things that are different, and you're
doing things that are special, you have to be prepared
for everybody not to like you, or everybody's not going
to pat you on the back when you do a
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great job. So I think that that's why I say
he's built for it, because when you look at his
list of accouades, and not to be a fan, but
I'm just keeping it the buck bro.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Like man, he done pretty much done.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
If you're a ballplayer or somebody who aspires to be ballplayer,
to be a ball player, or somebody who admires people
that play balls, how much better does it get to
Deon Sanders. So for somebody to.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Be able to frequent rarefy air the way that he does, he's.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Got to be built for all those things.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Well, let's go ahead and to stand on business here
for Coach Prime and the c bus because once again
I feel as though there is just criticism, but then
sometimes it is not justified, and sometimes people go a
little too far than what they need to go. But
do you think at the end of the day that
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we're going to get the true story and it's gonna
come out, and whether you produce it to someone else
and they gonna tell us what really took place between
Coach Prime and CBS.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
About sixty five percent of it is out right, and
now steven A.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Smiff did it too nice. If you go check out
steven A Smith show on YouTube, it's not the ipier
when it's a YouTube show. He literally took my story
and elaborated. And I talked to.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Thach Prime tonight and it sounds like steven A.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Smiff has the whole story. I didn't even have everything
that he had, so I think for people that want
to see the majority of what happened, and I was
told that there's a little more to the story than
what steven they said, but steven A has about sixty
five to seventy percent of it. As far as the
whole story, I don't think it'll ever come out because
I think he the chess player, and I think that
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he threw something out in order to get a response.
And when you think about the way that he handles
his business. Wayne has coached Prime ever been shot. This
is a high stepping. When he came into the league,
he told he told the league they got to put
him on lay away bro in eighty nine.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Or eighty eight whatever in the eighties something like that.
This man is not shy.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
And if he really wanted it out, it would already
be out. And if anybody, you gotta think due did
sixty minutes, bro. So the reason that he really reached
out to me was because he was like, Bro, I
know everybody in the industry, and you're the.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
First person that did as much research as.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
You did on it. And that's why. And that's kind
of why he. I mean, ain't writing no paragraph to
folks on Twitter like I. And that was kind of
shocked myself.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I'm like, dag, what's up to? But I had to
sit back.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
And just realize. I was like, Okay, well I did
something a little bit different, and I'm getting things that
happened when people do things differently, Like, there's no there
was no reason for you guys to reach out to
me except for I had done something different and gave
a different perspective that Dion and coson and I just
think that's all a part of it. And I think
that even with his even with the way he is
man and I just want to just go back to it. Man,
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there's a method to his madness, whether it's recruiting, whether
it's how he coaches is, whether it's the staffing that
he has. There's a method to his madness and only
he will know if he gets it.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Right or wrong, because it's just like the stock market.
You only lose when you sell.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
So if Deion Sanders says, hey, I'm out of Colorado,
then we know you lost. But as long as he's there,
he's got a chance to win.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Well, Philip, I'm glad we did reach out to you.
I really appreciate you coming on to night. This has
been great and I hope we can check back in
with you throughout the football season. A little bit here
there gets some of your takes on some other college
football happenings.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Man absolutely
Right now, We're gonna run right back out to the
Kwait Cowspirtal hotline and for the first time bring on
Philip Dukes from on three at Duke's the Scoop. Philip,
How you doing this evening, man?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm great man. How you doing it?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Doing well?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Brother?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Doing well?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We uh.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
The coach brime situation is fascinating on multiple levels to
a lot of people, and I think recently, certainly video
of him had got out there being fairly surly with
some local reporters, some of whom we know, some of
whom we know very well. But there are there's more
to it than some of the things that you saw online.
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And my first question you before we get into that,
is how is we know how this is viewed in
the Colorado region with the CU, but how is this
viewed on sort of a national level.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I think it's one of those things. Is a polarized
and tide deal, the same way that Colorado is when
everything else is either you love it or you hate it.
You got guys who feel like di Alan being sort
of a bully, and you got guys who feel like
Dianne was standing up for himself. So I think it's
based on your perception more than anything. On a national level,
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I think it's super polarizing.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
So when you look at journalism as it is, because
you find yourself in this business, do you think that
a lot of individuals are missing the mark when it
comes to journalistic integrity?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I think though, And it's really funny. I'm glad you
asked me that. So a couple of weeks ago, I
was at the NABJ National Association with Black Journalists and
I'm doing a meeting and I'm doing a meeting with
a producer and they tell me don't turn around. Stephen A.
Smith is behind you, and I'm churving. I'm like, man,
you know this dude got security guards and everything, but
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right right, And so I thought so they was like,
I mean, the producer was like, hey, look, dude, he
probably is a guy you want to talk to. So
when I dig get sense of talk to him. And
he took his time and we talked from maybe about
six seven minutes, and he said, you cannot afford to
lose your journalistic integrity because you have great relationships, because
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you're somebody that's going to have to really tread lightly
when it comes to that and understand what you're doing
because you have a responsibility.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
As a journalist.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
And I be dog gone if not. Today I get
a call from the Steven A. Smith Show and they say, hey,
we're running your d article tonight.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
And in that article he literally from what.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I said about the situation. He told it all. I
ain't even watch it all because I don't want to
be responsible. Like I talked to Coach Prime earlier, I'm like, hey, Coach, hey,
I kept it close to the vents and he just
laughed and said, hey, I know you did, brother. But
I'm saying this, there is a very very thin line
to toe when it comes to relationships because when it
comes to journalistic integrity, because the last thing you want
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to do is to put people in a like. What
we don't understand is that people are human. It doesn't
matter what position you're in, They're still human. And if
somebody feels attacked, they react defensively. And that's so, and
as a journalist, you have to be careful about making
people react defensively. So when it comes to even the
past situation that we're talking about, there's a way to
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go about things. And for example, I had those farm
in an interview I deal with him about a month
ago at Big twelve Media Days. I asked him about
high school recruiting and he answered the question.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
And he did it in a way that only he could.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
When he called me a couple of days later, they said, dude,
you know all would have tow you up. I gave
you a past that you knew. And he said, hey, man,
you know a lot of people don't ask that. And
I said, you know what, coach, I got it. But
at the same time, you know, I got a job
to do, and he respected it, and I think that's
a sign. That's the line you have to sw It's
We talked about everything else. We talked about the shoes,
(03:55):
we talked about Shiloh, we talked about Shador, we talked
about Travis.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
But there there, you have to really pitch your spots.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And I pray on it, just just to be honest
about it, like I'm like, all right, what should I say?
And I think that really helps me as far as
gooding relationships.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Talking with Philip Dukes from on three at Dukes the
Scoop on Twitter. Will walk us through this because I
think everybody saw the video of how he reacted, but
not everybody may have seen what you put out there,
So walk us through this a little bit and and
help us get some context to the situation.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Well, basically, I just kind of I kind of think
it from a different approach because what I saw was
the narrative being painted that Dion was a coach and
the coach Prime was upset about a CBA writer making
a ranking of DIG twelve coaches where he was second
to last in the conference. And I knew that wasn't it,
(04:48):
And uh, I had to I was. I was previous
to some information about one of the reasons why Coach
Prime may have been upset, And as we talk about
journalistic integrity, I said, well, I know some of this
and maybe I could send it first. And I said,
now you know what I'm gonna doing. I didn't send
that video to anybody. I put it out and I said,
(05:08):
I'll deal with what comes from it, and I'll do
the best job I can of doing my job and
still maintaining a personal relationships. And basically what it was
the video was just basically saying, hey, look, the last
thing he's worried about is a guy making a football
fact based opinion ranking on where he sees Deon Sanders
(05:31):
probably the most celebrated defensive player of all time, depending
on who you ask, A million people have said where
they ranked him. That doesn't bother him. What bothers him
is when somebody consistently says things about him that don't
have anything to do with football. And I think that's
part of the reason he responded to the other writer
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the way that he did. And I just kind of
call both of those things out in the video. And
I also share it from light on a situation that
I knew that was happening between him and CBS Sports
where they had a joint project, a joint venture that didn't.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
See I did this part, the CBS didn't do.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Their part, and they had a really good working relationship
that stans over a couple of decades. So with that
being said, it was kind of like, you know, that
wasn't a reason, but I wanted to be sure that
I just let people know it wasn't the ranking. And
Steven Natefielth just came today. He literally just came about
(06:29):
an hour ago, and Batty cleaned up and explained the
whole situation.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
So some of this because I have friends on both
East West Coast, and they are all in on what's
going on and see you even though they don't live here.
But there is kind of a consensus that well with
Coach Prime and well off media and all the publications
that they're doing to showcase the players and coaches and
(06:56):
what they're doing in Boulder, that there is this underline
current of I guess the stain and negativity beings erected
at Coach Prime. Do you think that he and the
program are being unfairly judged.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Some people? Yeah, I don't think everybody is unfairly judging them,
I think. But when you do, like anybody that has
any type of swagger, anybody that has any type of bravado,
if you got a bot when you walk, they are
gonna be people who don't have that bot that look
at you in a certain way. Because people usually fear
what they don't understand, and when people fear things, a
(07:31):
lot of times they say, I don't like this, So
think about going to six Flags or anywhere with roller coasters.
If a god says if a guy scared of the heights,
he's gonna say, what, I don't like roller coasters? And
it's the same thing. If you don't, if you have
a fear or you don't understand something, then it's gonna
put you in a light where you're gonna pay things negatively.
And I think that's part of the reason why some
(07:53):
people react the way they do. Well. When you look
at Colorado's fan base, they're damn near a rabbit. I
mean they are, like.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
You can't say anything.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
About Coach Brown without them going on. It's even exchange.
Like I think it's a very even exchange. You got
guys who can't stand Colorado, and you got people that
love Colorado, and then you have and let me let
me rephrase that, you got people that love Coach Brown,
and you got people that hate Coach prom and then
you've got people who literally love the Colorado Buffalo's regardless
(08:21):
of who's in the Captus chair, who've been there for years,
all the way back to Cordella's throwart in Westbrooks. So
I think when you kind of segment the fan chip
and the haters all together, that you find out are
these Nebraska fans Because a lot of people don't know
on a national level how serious the robbery is between
Colorado and Nebraska. So when you see a Nebraska fan
(08:44):
from if you're in Atlanta, Georgia, where Deon Sanders basically
raised my generation as a football player and a culture
or influencer. We don't understand that people from Nebraska aren't
gonna like Dion because he's the coach of Colorado. They
think it's it's because the Dion and I think when
people starting to dive into the reasons why, there's a
lot of understanding there. And I think that's a big
(09:07):
part of the issue there of when it comes to
people not liking Colorado or how polarizeding Colorado is.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Talking with Philip Dukes from all three at Dukes the Scoop,
it was the pointing out to Nick earlier, It's not
like Prime is doing something that no one has ever
done before. I mean, this is how Pete Carroll built
USC But Pete Carroll didn't get the same pushback that
Dion Sanders is getting. Is that because of Dion's sort
of in your face bravado. Is that because he's using
the transfer portal instead of traditional high school recruiting. Is
(09:37):
it a combination to people, as you pointed out, fearing
what they simply don't understand. Why is there this difference
in the way Pete Carroll was treated when he built
up USC by bringing rappers and DJs and all that
kind of stuff in during practices and Will Ferrell on
the sidelines and what Coach Prime is doing now with
Weezy and Wu Tang and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I think basically because Thot's Prime does it in a
way that only he can do it. So you can
go like Derrick Glansville for the Falcons had rappers on
the fire line like that, they're a president for it.
But there's never been a guy like Deon Sanders who
has the track record that he does, who's been who's
always had the brackado show, who's always brought the show,
(10:18):
and who's always brought the bazazz. There are twenty thirty
year Deon Sanders haters that are coming.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Along, and not just white people.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And excuse my language, I'm not trying to be I'm
not trying to be in fendia or anything. But think
about the people who are mad, Think about the African
Americans who are upset that Deion Sanders left Jackson State.
Like there's a huge amount of people who just don't
agree with how Deon Sanders uses his life and I
think that's the and I think that's what it is
(10:48):
more than anything, because See Carroll is one of the
coolest guys ever. I got a chance to meet Marshawn Wentz,
and to hear Marshawn Lynch talk about Pete Carroll outside
of football, it will sound.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Like he's just uncle or his dad or something.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
So I think that the.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Underlying issue is it's not what Deanna is doing, is
how he does it well.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
My former Broncos teammate Shannon Sharp and Coach Prime's Baltimore
Raven's teammate, Shannon Sharp had some very interesting things to
say along the lines of this conversation when he suggested that, well,
maybe Coach Prime is lashing out because he's always been
used to being the best at everything that he's doing,
(11:32):
but he's not finding that same level of success with
to see you buffs. I mean, obviously, do you when
you hear something like that from another Hall of famer
talking about another Hall of famer who their friends? What's
the first thing that pops into your mind?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
How the.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Propped in my mind is why would you go on
the show without talking to him? I don't know for
a fact. He didn't. He didn't call them before he talked,
well before he spoke, And that's my thing. I'm like, look, bro,
if y'all are real, real friends, like you know, understanding,
this is somebody that I met in my profession that
took a liking to me because of how I rock.
She's my language, but now of how I handle.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
My business, it's all good, man, it's all good.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, yeah, okay, cool. Well their friends on a different level.
There's no way that me and you know each other
for as as teammates years years years and and and
far as the bond the way we have without me
calling you. And now this is no disrespect to Shannon
Sharp for anything, but man, I got to call him.
I'm like, hey, bro, are you upset about this?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Because him running that excuse me.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Shannon Sharp running that piece on Dion doesn't make or
break him or Dion. So it was a give or
take kind of thing. So there was nothing. If he
didn't run that, it wasn't gonna sex this show. So
my thing is just call him before you run it,
and if he says, don't forget it, like, because what
you're doing is you're towing that line that I spoke
about earlier. You've got a total line dog and if
(13:01):
you know him, you got a direct line to him
like that, Call him and see what's really going on.
There's the reason that Dion Sanders tweeted me back is
because there was something that multiple people knew, but nobody
said that. And I know that to be true. And
the reason I'm on this radio show right now is
because he confirmed what I said.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
And I didn't call him before, but I.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Was already privy to certain information. I think that when
guys have information and you're not sure, I think that
a mistake was made by not communicating. I think it's
something that goes on in the world every day. How
many problems do we.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Have even at home when people just don't communicate?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Uh, just got through talking about something like that. Doesn't
break Funny you bring that up talking about Philip Dukes
Sefmore three at Duke's of Scoop. What do you say
to people that say that Coach Prime brings this on
himself because he asks for the attention, and he does
that in a way to build up a program that
has largely been nationally irrelevant for twenty years.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
And needs attention.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
But with positive attention comes negative attention as well.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
What do you say to that.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
He's built for it, That's all I say, He's built
for it. Like anybody think about this. In our jobs,
we know that people aren't going to agree with us.
I can't go read every comment on YouTube. You can't
go respond to every listener on Twitter who doesn't respond,
who doesn't respond in the positive fashion to some of
your takes. You have to have thick skin for the
(14:28):
error that you that you frequent. And I think that's
the most important thing. And that's what I say to
gods who say, well, yeah, you know, he kind of
brought this on himself. I said, of course he did.
Like that's what he wanted, because if you want to
be great, everybody's not going to like you. My son
is in fifth grade. He's playing on the middle school
team and he's about five to one. I'm a short guy.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I'm like five to nine.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
My son is five to one already, right, and I'm
so geeked up about it. But if you think the
seventh grade mom who's fot he just took a corner,
isn't saying well, you got this deep greater out there.
But when you're doing things that are different, and you're
doing things that are special, you have to be prepared
for everybody not to like you, or everybody's not going
to pat you on the back when you do a
(15:10):
great job. So I think that that's why I say
he's built for it, because when you look at his
list of accouades, and not to be a fan, but
I'm just keeping it the buck bro.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Like man, he done pretty much done.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
If you're a ballplayer or somebody who aspires to be ballplayer,
to be a ball player, or somebody who admires people
that play balls, how much better does it get to
Deon Sanders. So for somebody to.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Be able to frequent rarefy air the way that he does, he's.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Got to be built for all those things.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Well, let's go ahead and to stand on business here
for Coach Prime and the c bus because once again
I feel as though there is just criticism, but then
sometimes it is not justified, and sometimes people go a
little too far than what they need to go. But
do you think at the end of the day that
(15:59):
we're going to get the true story and it's gonna
come out, and whether you produce it to someone else
and they gonna tell us what really took place between
Coach Prime and CBS.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
About sixty five percent of it is out right, and
now steven A.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Smiff did it too nice. If you go check out
steven A Smith show on YouTube, it's not the ipier
when it's a YouTube show. He literally took my story
and elaborated. And I talked to.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Thach Prime tonight and it sounds like steven A.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Smiff has the whole story. I didn't even have everything
that he had, so I think for people that want
to see the majority of what happened, and I was
told that there's a little more to the story than
what steven they said, but steven A has about sixty
five to seventy percent of it. As far as the
whole story, I don't think it'll ever come out because
I think he the chess player, and I think that
(16:50):
he threw something out in order to get a response.
And when you think about the way that he handles
his business. Wayne has coached Prime ever been shot. This
is a high stepping. When he came into the league,
he told he told the league they got to put
him on lay away bro in eighty nine.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Or eighty eight whatever in the eighties something like that.
This man is not shy.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
And if he really wanted it out, it would already
be out. And if anybody, you gotta think due did
sixty minutes, bro. So the reason that he really reached
out to me was because he was like, Bro, I
know everybody in the industry, and you're the.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
First person that did as much research as.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
You did on it. And that's why. And that's kind
of why he. I mean, ain't writing no paragraph to
folks on Twitter like I. And that was kind of
shocked myself.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I'm like, dag, what's up to? But I had to
sit back.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
And just realize. I was like, Okay, well I did
something a little bit different, and I'm getting things that
happened when people do things differently, Like, there's no there
was no reason for you guys to reach out to
me except for I had done something different and gave
a different perspective that Dion and coson and I just
think that's all a part of it. And I think
that even with his even with the way he is
man and I just want to just go back to it. Man,
(18:05):
there's a method to his madness, whether it's recruiting, whether
it's how he coaches is, whether it's the staffing that
he has. There's a method to his madness and only
he will know if he gets it.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Right or wrong, because it's just like the stock market.
You only lose when you sell.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
So if Deion Sanders says, hey, I'm out of Colorado,
then we know you lost. But as long as he's there,
he's got a chance to win.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Well, Philip, I'm glad we did reach out to you.
I really appreciate you coming on to night. This has
been great and I hope we can check back in
with you throughout the football season. A little bit here
there gets some of your takes on some other college
football happenings.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Man absolutely
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