10-02-24 Hour 2 of Broncos Country Tonight

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well do it Broncos Country tonight, but with all bright,
Dick Ferguson, Grant Smith, thanks to the Hall of Famer
Steve Atwater for joining us in the last hour. You
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for Granted Podcasts well, big Al recent guests on the

(00:21):
Taking for Granted podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Man, such a great conversation with big Al. Got deep
in the feelings with big Al. I wasn't expecting that,
but a tremendous conversation and all the memories from his
Super Bowl runs and went in a college national championship
to see you some great stories from him.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Man, Yeah, I get a chance to get part of
the way into it. I haven't gotten all the way
finished with it. Got part of the way into it today.
So I finished that tonight. But you always want to
get to take It for Granted podcast as well.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Nick. We saw CEU go out there and sort of
reinvigorate the conversation surrounding them. This weekend, a lot of
people did not.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Expect them to go in and beat Central Florida. In
Central Florida, they were what a fourteen point dog at
one point in the process leading up to it, and
they went out and just put it to Central Florida.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
That's a well coached team by Gus miles On.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
They got a strong run game there between their quarterback
and the running back, and they just they had no
defensive answer for CU whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
And then offensively they were struggling.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Like that's the first time I've seen CU's defense where
I was like, okay, okay, we might we might be
onto something here.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Well, when you look at.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
CU defense, I mean they have given up one hundred
and fifteen points, and when you look into Big twelve,
the only other team with I guess was given up
less points, oddly enough, is number sixteen Iowa State Cyclones,
who have only given up twenty nine points all season long.

(01:48):
So I'm gonna give credit to the players on the
defensive side of the ball for SeeU, but coach Livising
and what he's been able to do, and with exception
of a couple of quarters with the CU Buff's team,
they have been performing admirably. And the one thing that
helps out is when I look at let me back
in for a second, when I look at to see

(02:09):
you Buffs in the Denver Broncos. Just like last year,
they have some of the same issues. The Buffs couldn't
run the ball, now they could the Broncos. Broncos got
it on track against the Jets and against UCF the
bus got it on track. Neither team has successfully thrown
to a tight end, which is our problem. But when

(02:32):
you look at CEE and what they've been able to do,
just look at the y receivers that they have. For me,
this is probably and it may sound biased, but it's not.
I think that this is the best collection overall as
far as a wide receiver group.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
You got Jimmy Howen Jr.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
Right, you have Lejonte you know, you have Will Shepherd
and Travis Hunter, but also Marion Miller, who.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Hadn't really talked about. I can't seeing him a lot.
So they have a talented wide receiver group.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
But this was kind of the first game for me
watching that I saw a conservative effort on all three
phases contributing and once again Travis Hunter continues to impress
us on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
But being able to go on the road where weather was.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
An issue for the CU Buffs and the UC Knights,
but the c buss found the way to get things
done on the ground. So as I was watching the game,
I said, I got a question for Ben, I know
how you feel about Pat Shermer after seeing I guess

(03:44):
the offense production against UCF. Have you slightly changed your
opinion of one Pat Shermer.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
No, Punt Shermer is a boat anchor on a ferrari.
That's just me.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
But Pat Shermmer it might be be holding him back,
you know, not not any not even not even announce
a credit, not even not at all, not even Wow,
is that good?

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Travis Hunter's that good? You know? To me? The credit
for this game?

Speaker 1 (04:13):
If you're really going to put some credit on this
when he's livings, I mean, you got.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
To talk about how the uh, the the c U
Buffs shut down the run game of Central Florida.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
The kJ Jefferson wound up with thirty five passing attempts.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
That's not something they do, it's not that's not what
Central Florida even wants to do. They don't want to
throw the ball thirty plus times a game, they run
the ball. They want to run the ball, and they
got RJ. Harvey was very good. kJ. Jefferson is very
good running the ball.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
But they couldn't They couldn't get them to the to
the production.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
That they normally get.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
They finished with seventy seven and seventy six yards respectively.
Uh and kJ did have that one touchdown man where
he you know what he grown man?

Speaker 4 (04:49):
Okay, So first and foremost, when I saw that creads
watching my son and I say, well, the defender attack
the ball carrier the wrong way.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeah, the president, you should be one hundred and eighty
pound defender trying to tackle you out there. So you
got to do your job.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
The thing is, you know it's going to hurt, so
make the commitment to go ahead and attack the ball carrier.
The one thing you don't want to do be a
stationary target, right, And he.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Just kind of stood that. I felt so embarrassed. I
was like, wow, you just got grown man.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Yes, And I'm thinking all you had to do is
attack the quarterback at his knees and you would have
at least stood a chance to.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Dump him or not just get barreled into the end zone.
It just put a hand on it was like, no, man, Yes,
I felt bad, but sorry, I had that one. That
would just it made me laugh seeing that one.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
But to me, the credit goes to the defensive coordinator
and the way the defense played in it, because you
knew what's central Florida wanted to do.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
You knew it. They want to run a football. They
want to run it at you. They're gonna run fear
and then they're.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Gonna have their their running back hit that backside wheel
when you when you start fighting down on it. And
and he got early on they got away with it
because they got that playoff.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
They got that playoff early with R. J. Harvey.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
But you know it, they clamped down and shut that
thing down. And in conditions that were favorable for the run.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
You know, you just had the.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Weather all come through. That feel was a little was
a little wet, it was. It was there for the run,
and you know they came through. I'm joking about the
Pat Shechremmer thing they called a.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Good game plan.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
I don't want to I don't want to sit there
and be, you know, be a jerk about it. I'm
not the biggest Pat Shermmer.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Fan in the world. But hey, they won the football
game and they produced. I can't dog that.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
No, I mean, no one can dog that. But he
is what I like about what coach Prime is doing.
And he's being criticized for a lot of things and
thinking that, okay, well he's giving his sons special privileges.
But I want you to listen to what he had
to say when he was talking to his team.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
This will be changed tomorrow. Quarterback, you gotta come to minute.
You know it was horrible from you today, horrible. You
gotta come with a better effort.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
And more focus overall, open to line, let's get listen,
pick up what you have to up.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
In the game.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
And I think that's really valuable because all of the
criticism that coach Prim has received because two of his
sons are playing out there called Travis Hunter, right, But
I think that's what you need to do in front
of your team once you bring them up, let your
door know. Look, I mean to get us to where
we want to get to. You can't practice this particular way.

(07:19):
So I'm hoping speaking to Shador in front of the
team in that particular way. What not only said the
president that listen, it's the team game. It's not just
about Shador, but hopefully it would continue Shador on the
pad that he's on.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Now, yeah, you can't be afraid to criticize.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
It can't be your son out there on the practice
field that's going to be the quarterback. It can't be
your son. You know you got to And isn't that
the right time to call the quarterback out anyway? You
call him out right after a win. You know, we
need to refocus. We can't rest on our laurels on
that win. We got what ten more days I think
till our next football game, which's got a real tough
home game against Kansas State, who plays good football. They're
a ranked football team. You know, you can't. You can't

(07:57):
let you see f be your resume. That's a line
in your resume, right and Prime knows that he's got
he Deans always had the championship attitude personally. You know
it's his ability as a coach to convey that to
his supremely talented players and say, hey, look, you know
you every effort, you got to go one hundred and
ten percent every rep.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
But see, but that's whether the litmus has come from
for certain coaches, because can you criticize your star pupil.
That is very difficult for some coaches to do, knowing
as though you may have voucher a player, you spoke
highly of a player, but when that player doesn't do
something in the game or in practice, can you criticize

(08:36):
them openly.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
This is why when I.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
Think about what Prime did with your door, I think
about Bill Belichick, Nick Saban and you got Bill pon
Bill Parcells And for me, it'soul terrify me to see
him yell at Curtis Martin and be Anny Testaverdi.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
I'm like, these.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Dudes, they're the guys, they're the faces, but you're talking
to them in this particular way, and it scared me
to say, well, if he's talking to them that way,
what is he going to do to me? And this
is why I always like when coaches are able to
do that, don't don't be biased, even when it's your pupil.
This is the opportunity for you to go after your guy,
even after a win, because usually coaches don't do that.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, and you need to be able to do that.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
You need to like I've you know, I've talked about
that with people as well, like in how to handle
me as a person. You know, I'm one of those
people that I do need the I need to tear
down a little bit of the build up, but I
mostly need the I mostly need the hey, you're messing up.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
You say, teardown. Is that a complete tear down? Well,
I mean I need the you're messing up.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
I don't need the ata boys like, you know, like,
at the risk of sounding arrogant, I know, most of
the time, when we're doing well, I know it.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
I don't I don't need to be told that we're
doing every once in a while, it's fine, you know,
it's it's kind.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
But there are people who are wired that need the
out of boys. They can't handle a lot of the
you know.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
The criticism and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
I love the criticism because me every moment we have
is a learning opportunity to be better, do better, just
to sit there and improve on what it is that
we're doing right. And there are many times my life
where I've been missing up, I'm messing up on the
air before. I mean, you know, for me, it's it's
it's about having somebody that's able to frame that in
the in the right you know context. Let me swim

(10:10):
for a minute and see if I'm messing you know,
if I can get myself out of it and I
can't come up to hey, you're.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Messing up, bro, you got it? You know you gotta
get it together here.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Do you think that going back to coach Prime and
kind of calling out Shador, do you think that's a
conversation he has with him even before practice, Like, Hey, man,
I'm gonna get on you today because I need the
rest of the team to see that I can call
you out as well.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
I I mean, I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
I wouldn't be I wouldn't be surprised if it were true,
I wouldn't be surprised. You know, either way, I can
get and right now is the perfect time to call
him out. I mean, if you're looking at it, it's
the perfect time you call it out, your star player.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
You call it him out for effort.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Everybody else sees it, and now all of a sudden,
those nepotism arguments kind of dissipate because you just.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Called him out publicly.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Oh by the way, it's ten games to your ten
days to your next game. You got plenty of time
to build him back up. You know, all that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
So maybe I'm.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
I'm not a conspiracy guy, so I'm not I'm not
necessarily jumping on that part. But you could totally the
poem say hey, look, I'm blow you up today on
effort because I want everybody on the same page, rededicating
themselves that kind of thing. You know, maybe, but then
also you'd have to like know like if you're shoudour
at that point, are you giving less effort because otherwise
it just makes you look it makes a coach look
stupid if you're if you are putting good effort in

(11:21):
and he's saying and that was horrible today.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
I think both of those things are true. I've seen
it happen.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
But in this particular case, he's talking to Chador after
a practice, right, so he didn't have a chance to
walk up to him and say, hey, listen, you didn't
practice well, so I'm gonna go after you. He's like, no,
you didn't practice well.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
I'm addressing the team.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
I'm gonna do it at that particular moment, and listen,
I've been around some coaches who will attack players and
because they know that player can handle it, but they don't.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
They didn't even talk to him before.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
Look, I've been in the Broncos defensive back meeting room
and the coach wanted to talk to John. But instead
of talking to John, he talked to me. And I'm
sitting there like, what the hell you talking to me for?
I mean, I'm not I didn't make a mistake on
this particular thing. Don't coach me through him. But sometimes
that that happens. But if you have players who understand

(12:14):
that and can deal with it, fine. Now I'm telling
you guys what I said mentally, I didn't say it
out loud, right because I sat there and I just
looked at Dominicque, Foxwork and hums Abdullah and we looked
at each other, like, who's he talking to me?

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Really? Right? Just looking at me? It's the words go.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
It's just like if IDB coach wanted to talk to Champ,
he had talked to fox Work and Darren Williams and
they're sitting there going, why is he talking to me?
But because we had a room of guys who could
deal with that, there was no beef. So in the
case with Shador, I'm sure Coach Prime has gotten on

(12:56):
this sun several times, both as a father and as
a coach, so do it probably takes this in stride
and go, you know what, Yeah, I didn't have a
great practice, but we need to make sure that everyone knows.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
That I don't have a great practice.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
That can lead me to me not having a great
game and we all lose. So that's why so Biden
was so important.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, it's it's a part of being a head coach
is the psychology of your players, right, figuring out what motivates,
what detracts from how to get the best out of them,
and how to put them in the best mental headspace
to be able to That's part of what made Parcels
so good is that he knew different because some guys
need to be pushed, some guys need to be pulled,
some guys need to be prodded.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
You know.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
It's it's it is. That's that's a part of what
coaching is overall.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
It's it's it is a there's a motivational aspect to
it that some guys don't see.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
I love how you referred to it as just motivation.
See were you in that spot I've been me cassing
that fire brimstone from a Bill Parcells. It doesn't sound
like it's motivation.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
No, it's it sounded like seven times different to be fair,
like like most of my life, that really came from
like militarily, you know it didn't you know, Totle started
to say my face about stuff and you know that
kind of stuff. And at the end of the day,
like in the moment, it doesn't feel like motivation.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
In the moment, you're like, can find me a fox hole,
I'm taking fire.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
But at the end of the day, like if you're
able to stop for a second and kind of reflect
on some the word and the intent, it can be motivation.
Because I'm saying, Okay, this guy thinks that I need
this in order to do this. What is his real
aim here? He wants me to accomplish this or stop
doing this? And so, like me, I'm the kind of
person that dissects that stuff afterward instead of just taking
it at face value, Like what is the objective here?

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Right?

Speaker 1 (14:29):
They want something out of me, They want you know,
if they want me to be my best self.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Whatever, you know, where the case may be. So I'm
looking at that, I'm trying to dissect that what do
they really want out of me? And that's what I
try to do. I try to do that. Not everybody
does that. There are some people again, there are a
lot of people that.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Can't take negative criticism, you know. I know people around
here they can't take negative criticis.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
But there are.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
There are benefits to it for the right person, like
if you're strong enough to handle it, you know, and
obviously you were. You played for both ourselves, You're obviously
kimble handling. If you're able to handle it, I think
it could be great as a motivational tool.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
But yeah, a moment, man, it does not feel right.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
It was a thing for me really quickly because at
first I was overthinking it. I was overthinking it based
on the fact of, Hey, I'm this young pup trying
to make it on this team, and I got all these,
you know, top flight players all around me, and I
just felt as I was letting them down. And then
I realized after driving home and having a moment to

(15:23):
reflect and saying, it's not that he's getting on me.
He's trying to push me to a point that I'd
never been pushed before, and he's trying to see if I.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Can handle it right.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
If he and the way I always looked at it
is they wouldn't say that to me if they didn't
see something in me worth pulling out of me, right,
they wouldn't be they wouldn't be jumping out, They wouldn't
be a slight. They wouldn't be upset at me for
not reaching potential if they didn't see potential.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
Now, it just cut me and move on now at.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
Some point, let's keep it real. They would get upset.
Like you, I have exhausted everything that I can to
push you, to get to you to a certain point. Now,
guess what, I got to stop talking to.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
You right now. You know, I gotta write it off
and find Yeah, I gotta you know that didn't work,
So I'm all yeah, and I get it.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
In this particular case, cutting back to Shador, I think
that it works on multiple levels. It probably does challenge
Schador a little bit, being called out in front of
the guys, but it also makes the rest of the
guys say, nobody's above approach. You called out the quarterback,
you calling out your own son. You call this effort horrible.
So I do believe that that works on multiple levels
in that particular case.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
And again, you're doing it now You've got what ten
days to your next game.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
You got plenty of time to building back up, you know,
in front of everybody as far as that goes.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
Yeah, and being a father, that is something you definitely
want to make sure that you manage very well to
a point where you don't for me from coaching standpoint,
that you don't destroy the individual. Yeah, because it's it's
constructive criticism, not destructive.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
We'll come back and talk a little bit about the
Broncos champaign. Now it can.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Accelerate Bonix's development. Should we be looking at additional tight ends?
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Top of the hour five six six nine zero is
the text line I got a create quite a few

(17:13):
good texts in over the last last nay Brian says,
thanks for giving Dion his flowers.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
So the semone nine says Vj's defense is attack and disrupt,
not read and react. Like Wade Phillips, I would agree
with that.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Three and five Stacy from you ta all wondering if
we thought up a nickname for Riley Moss yet, Go
broncos I have a few.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
The albino albatross.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
I what I just see it if Cake was fantationed,
here's a big you know bird in this like. I'm
still working on it. I have not come up with
the Riley Moss nickname yet, but I am working on that.
The three six l it's not about knowing you're doing well,
but more about recognition.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
I think you're talking about ataboys. Uh, you know fair
some people need that.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
I just I've never honestly when people compliment me A
lot of the times it feels like they're blowing smoke,
like I have some internal mechanism them where I just
I don't take compliments. Well, I believe they call the
arrogance maybe. I mean, you know, it's not that an arrogance.
It's just not a better than you. But it's the
sound bite I'm mentionin Albright, I'm better than you.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
That's one of my favorite drafts that we have.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Let's see what else we got here, Oh, Keith and
Orlando just trolling me, says that a boy. Then great
job controlling me, just straight trolling me.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Man.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
The business is Brian says, was asking about if Dion's
criticizing uh should was a ruse.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Again, we went over that in this segment. I don't
think it was. I can understand how people come to that.
I my gut is that it wasn't, but I, you know,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
And then Brian follows it up with, shit, every good
coach encouraged the quarterback to leave the field before the
game is over, I think, referring to the Nebraska game
where shed Or left with two minutes left and didn't
want to do, you know, handshakes or whatever.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
You know.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Should Away's got some things he's gonna have to answer
for when it comes to the draft process.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Certainly that's going to be one of them.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
People be like, Yo, you left the field earlier when
you were losing, and then you didn't want to shake
the head of the dude that came up to you
after you were winning Colorado State. You know, he's his
own man, makes his own decisions, but he's going to
have to answer for that. With the biggest job interview
there is the NFL draft process.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
As long as he's able to someone answer the question.
And there's always two sides to a coin. Some evaluators
may look at that and frown upon it and look
at it as a negative.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Others may not.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
They may just say, Okay, dismiss it as here's a
guy who is really enthusiastic about winning, and he gets
frustrated when he doesn't win. And we all have been
in situations where we were not at our best when.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
We lost games.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
So they made via view that as there's fire in
that player because you look at that instant, that instant,
that situation, and then you fast forward to the following week,
what was the production like?

Speaker 3 (19:58):
So it may not be crippling for should do or in.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
The evaluation processes he come comes out of school in
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Listen, I'm just say this.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
I want players around me, and I want to be
around players that give a damn that it bothers them
when they lose, and sometimes they may not be the
best sportsman when that happens.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
And you can understand, I mean there's a few moments
after anything like I hate to lose more than I
love to win.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Right, That's the way it should be. Well, I mean,
but some people some people don't. Some people the opposite
of that. I hate to lose more than I love
to win.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
And so like there's that moment after I you know,
when you there's that moment where you got to sit
there with it, and I'm I need a minute before
I before I see.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
You're talking about individuals who are just happy to be
a part of the organization.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
And the team.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Some people, some people they're addicted to the winning, you
know what I mean, Like they need to win that
kind of I just hate to lose. Like that's and
I don't know how to say that to anybody that
hasn't played, like you under you know what I'm talking
about right now. But there are there are people out
there that, yeah, they just want to be a part
of it. They love you know, they love getting the
w and being a part of it all. I'm not
that guy man like I would have win it everything.
I want to win a kickball or playing non competitive

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beer league kickball, and I want to win.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Whether we are playing paper football, yes, we're.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Shooting paper wise at the trash can here in the studio,
I want to win.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
I want to win it all, trust me.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Like I'm still mad that I will never win a
mustache contest with Grant Smith.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Well, you have a little something growing right now. Yeah,
and ugliest mustache con Joe word is not mine?

Speaker 5 (21:27):
But could look, I know, I'm self aware, I'm self
I've got like the thirteen year old crustash going on here,
like like this this, if you just took a photo
of my upper lip, you would think it was somebody
that's headed to prom.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Just don't pick battles you can't win exactly. I mean, right,
but I've never win that battle. I know I'm never
winning that battle. I'm just saying. I mean this, man,
I get it. And for me, I was a sore
loser when I was a kid. I was like the worst.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
I would get so pissed off and angry and and
I want to win it everything that I do. Like
I don't even play monopoly with my wife anymore competitive, right, Well,
in this case, it.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Was the opposite road'sive.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
My wife got so competitive and I found out in
that moment how competitive this she wasn't. Like my wife
played basketball in high school. But I think it's a
simple boy game. And I mean, how bad could Monopoly
actually be between two married individuals were talking about a
game that lasted almost four hours. Yes, And she said, well,
there's a rule, and I don't know this, that there's

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a rule that you can't end the game of monopoly
until one person has all the money.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
I was like, I don't believe that's an instructions. That's
not what it's showing me, right.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Because exactly because she had all the money, all the property,
and she was collecting bank and talking cash money cash,
she wanted you to keep going on another boards so
she could, he asked, And then I got hot on
the dice, skipping over her property. Then she hit property taxes.
She all her money, all she left her name was

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ten dollars. And then she had Dazzy to ask me
for a loan.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Oh, and I was like, are you kidding me? I
was at the bank you yeah, yeah, I said, for
four hours. You gave me the blues, Now you want
me to give your money.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
And then I got up and I walked away, and
she said, oh, big bad football player, just gonna walk
away like that? Oh?

Speaker 3 (23:21):
And I said what, I said, what does that mean? Yes?

Speaker 4 (23:25):
No, you know what. She almost bathed me into it.
But I said, you know what, I'm gonna drop my
money on the ground and I walk away. No, I
walked away, So we don't. We don't play Boy games
in my house, Okay, fair and fair.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
That was like a lot of times to pass the
time when I was in a rabbity S place, spades
all the time, right, and I'm you know, I'm a
pretty good card player, and I usually memorize what everybody
has by the second or third because, you know, because
but I'm competitive about it, right man. We got and
they were I knew they were cheating. I couldn't figure
out how they were doing it at first. I finally
did figure it out. I knew they were table talking
and let each other because we kept.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Losing to them.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
I'm like, dude, we don't lose like what that. I
was getting so mad And I'm not a sore loser
like I get mad when I lose.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
But you give me a minute, then I'm fine. Man.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
I was, I was throwing I was throwing cards like
I was gambit from the X men.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
I was, you know, I was. I was wild.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
I was so mad because I couldn't figure out how
I knew they were stamings I couldn't figure out. Eventually
figured out how they were doing their hand signals. Like
eventually I figured out like their whole, their whole little
really quickly.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Spades is a part.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
It seemed like it's part of every African American person's DNA.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Oh. I was the Riley Moss at the table, like
we do all know what I'm talking. I don't know
how to play spades.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
You don't know how to play spades, no bro spades
and dominoes like that was my I don't spades dominoes.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Okay, all right, I was Rilly Moss at the table.
It was obvious, but.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
It was you know, it was That's just who I am.
I'm a competitive person. I hate to I hate to
lose more than I love to win. And you know,
I appreciate seeing that sentiment out of certain players. I
don't want them to give up on sportsmanship per se.
For me, it's just like, and I'm not even a
religious guy. What I would do is I would take
the ten seconds to make it look like I was
like I was. That was That was me meditating, like

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I got to come down off this. I got to
be a human being again, because I'm about to be.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
An animal over here. Yeah, So, I mean that's what
I use that for.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Pivoting here a little bit because we wanted to get
onto this and the Broncos and Sean Payton. How can
we accelerate Boenick's development, because you know, we saw them
dialing it up in the preseason, and that's part of
the reason we had unrealistic.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
Expectations this guy coming into the season. I still think
Bonix can be good.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
I want Bonix to be good, but right now, the
game's still a little too fast for him. He's still
throwing the ball behind receivers. There's there's still a bit
of a disconnect with this offense. And I thought it
looked good in the second half of the Jets game
because we're running the ball, and I'm like, Okay, why
don't we do this in the beginning and then build
off this. Why are we resorting to this or reverting

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back to this as a fallback when the other stuff
isn't working.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
See, because we have to go back to the beginning
and go back to preseason and redefine what we saw
from bo Nick's It was the smallest ample size, and
in that smallest ample size, things were more concise, and
that's what we would see from the Broncos.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
We saw it in the Seattle game, we saw it.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
A little in Tampa, right And what I'm referring to
is when the Broncos were trailing, even in the Pittsburgh game,
it seemed as though the office was sped up a
little with the play calling. The play calling didn't take
that long to get in because there was more a
rhythm to it, So it allowed Bo to get into

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a rhythm. Say it's in his head, I got to
get the ball out to this receiver right now. So
it's basically like the Broncos in the fourth quarter when
they were trailing would get into like a two minute
hurry up offense, and it forced the system urgency for
every single person. So I'm thinking, well, last year, the
same thing happened with Russ, no matter how.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
The game started. So that's a successful action.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
So if you want to succeed in his league, you
continue to do that. So Low win the way of saying,
do those things. We know what Bow can actually do.
We've seen him throw on the move, get him outside
the pocket, make everything quick, rhythmic, and especially when you're
at home, when you're playing with.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
The altitude that's your ally.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Use it, yeah, gas your opponents and take him out
of that what I call the stinking thinking, right, you know,
you slow yourself down because you're overthinking everything.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
And you see that with bo right when he operates
on instinct.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
It is with it when they played with tempo, it
looks natural to it looks naturally shitting there trying to
think about it, it doesn't look natural to him.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
Get know what it reminds me of remember when both
when Baker Mayfield had like it was a Monday night
football game you played for the and he had just
got that he only had the short amount of time
yep to work on the game plan, and they just
smashed as much information in and then they put him
in a hurry up off of that's where he flourishes. Yeah,
but when you have him sitting back there, he's got
to go through all these progressions.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
That's the problem.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
But I know people look at it as an indictment
on the football IQ of the player. Ple say, I
don't give it in the ideas about execution. Now, let
him go out there and execute.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Figure out what they're good at and cater to that
one of the things that a young quarterback one of
their best friends usually miss having a good tight end.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Our tight end room has not been producing at the
level that it needs to. Well, how can we do
more to maximize that?

Speaker 4 (28:30):
Well, the first thing is, just like bo Nick's, establish
that player earlier, because the idea is to build out
a group of plays specifically for this player to feature
him in the offense. And well, here's what I would
like to see the Broncos do with great Dosage. Tell him, Look,
we're gonna remove the thinking.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Away from you.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Put him in that Wes Welker type of role where
we're gonna say, look, buddy, run option routes. Right, if
you're driving on a linebacker or a safety and he
drops off, sit down. If he sits, now, keep going
vertical and show him how to do that. And that
would give Boah instant read. Okay, right now, off the

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bat first play of the game, we're gonna feature Dolsage.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
He's gonna be open. He's not gonna be open vertical
route or a flat route.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
Right.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
If it's not there, go somewhere else.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
But get him involved in the shallow crosses and the
biggest route I think would be successful for a guy
like Greg Dosage is.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Some people call it the return route. When I was playing,
we called it the Zarro route.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
You look like you're running a shallow cross, right, and
you said that you set it up though, and then
you whip it back out.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
So you set it up by running the shallow cross
and the next time you drive like you're driving past
the linebacker, that guy covering you, and you come right
back out. Easy throw because the defender is going to
be chasing looking at the quarterback and he's never gonna
feel that right.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
That was a staple of when Kevin someone was down
there at to Texas A and it was a staple
route that they used to run. Post Johnny Manziel was
that you know that whip whatever you you know, turn
out whatever you call it, and it was yeah, but
we also don't run the shallow crosser here. Shallow cross
is one of the easiest plays for a quarterback ever
because you're reading the pick, which guy's coming free on
the pick play, that's that's it, that's your read, right.

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It's one of the easiest pitch and catch kind of
plays out there.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
And we don't run it. But here's what you do.
You run shallow crosses. You won one with the tight end.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
You get one receiver in the minus split, so those
two are cross and you have to slot the tight
d Here's what you do. You take the back, send
him on your right in the shotgun and flare him
from right to left.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Is with the swing route. So that gives a quarterback
as he's looking from right to left, he has multiple
time right now he's now.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Now you have a true read as far as that
kind of stuff goes. And you can add to that too,
like for me, when you once you hit the pick,
like I like.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
To have the tight end, you know, get vertical or
you know, start to climb and then the other crosser.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Comes free and right. So that but again we don't
run that, And I don't understand why we don't run
plays like that. I hate to use the term money play, but.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
This is a play. That's it's an easy play. It's
it's to the point.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Where the shallow cross is considered such an such an
easy and easy thing to do that scouts don't even
chart it.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Like when you when you're.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Charting prospect and you're charting it, you don't even hardly
chart that stuff.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
But then it is, here's the route off of that,
you run the shallow cross off of the delay.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yeah, because you block, you block, block and then release
and then you release.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
And then off of that you got the slammer release
where it now becomes a screenplay.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Huh Right, all these plays.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
That you can run, but you can only run them
if you're saying, we are running these plays to eventually
get this player open, right, that has to be the intent,
not just running the office like here it is, here's
plays one through thirty three.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah, we're not sam this isn't Madden.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Then we're not spamming stuff like there's an intent to
show something, execute that and then build off of that
as a part of the game plan.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
Because the Broncos on Sunday they're gonna face another tight
end that's being utilized with the Raiders, and that that's
Brad Bauers ball. Right, So the idea is look around
the league and see what other teams are doing with
their tight ends. And we're not saying what Greg does,
Adam Trutman, Lucas Crow that these guys need to have
twenty targets a game, No, anywhere from six to ten,

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but you have to deploy them where they become an
issue in the threat for the defense, which opens everything
else up.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, and that's that's the other part of this that
was my complaint with the run game, specifically early, is
that we weren't running to set up the run. We
were just giving token runs on first down in the
hope to make it second and eight, third and you know,
six kind of plays. And we really committed to the
run game in the second half of the Jets game.
I think Sean Payton's hand was a little bit forced
on personnel rotations because he only had two backs to

(32:37):
choose from every day after the day went down, But
I you know, I think that worked out for them.
I think that was a good thing that allowed each
of those guys to really start to get into their
rhythm and feel that out, because I've often felt like
these personnel rotations and I've talked to players who said
that they don't feel like they're getting into a rhythm
that they can maximize because they get shuffled on and
off too much.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
So it's like when you go into the game plan
and let's just say we're talking about Davonte Williams, and
Jelil mcgloughlin. Okay, understanding what each one of those players
are good at. And as you set up those plays,
you say, when we walk away from this game, we
want to make sure that each one of those backs
had this amount of touches, not carries. There's a difference

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between the two things. You want to make sure they
had touches. And they're realizing that Jeli is better in
screenplays than maybe Javante, So we want to set that
up and sometimes even set it up to a point
where we make the defense think you're going to throw
the screen to him, and you throw.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
The ball down the field right and you get a
vertical behind the screen and all of a sudden, you
know will say bite and you get that one one
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