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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tomorrow night.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
We're gonna be uh live from the Great American Beer Fest.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Who have you going down to the beer Fest? You
are going out of the beer for you? Of course
you are.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
He's always then, he's always in the good stuff covers
like yeah, of course, of course beer Fest?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
What are you talking about? Some of you may remember.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Myself Coach Pigano uh from their live last year, and
we had some really cool maybe a cool interview with
a brewery from Hawaii. They were going through the Hawaii
fires at the time, and they were they were creating
these bruis and these beers and trying to get money
for relief for the for the Hawaii fires and all
that kind of stuff. There's some cool stories behind some
of this stuff. And it's not just out here tasting
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great beer all though you get to do that as well.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
So I encourage everybody get on down the Great America
Beer Fest tomorrow, come on out, say hi, uh, wave
wave at us, Bring me all your beer samples.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I will I will try them. So looking forward to
that tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Well, I guess it's safe to say that any sampoos
that are put before me, I show slide them to
my right.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Across the table, and I, as a good partner, does
will take care of you. I will take care of
those samples. I will make sure that they don't go
to waste, and you would be able to tell me, like,
like what did they taste?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I'll describe them back to you the notes of pineapple.
This has an OK after finish.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I don't think we're doing Scots, but you get the idea, right, So, Uh,
Great American Beer Fest tomorrow, looking forward to that as always. Uh,
we got uh the Chargers coming up. He thought the
Raiders were banged up. Charger has been pretty banged up too.
Offense hasn't really been clicking. Both tackles Rayshawn Slater, Joe
Alt have been hurt. Lad mccackey is their best receiver.
He's been dinged up on the defensive side. Joey Bose
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has been hurt too. Your Colson's been hurt. Just your
tailor's been hurt. Dan Leonard's been hurt.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Derwin James was suspended a game for Uh. He got
the Kareem Jackson suspension. Now I don't and I'm trying
to remember who I was talking to.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Steve.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I was talking to Steve Atwater yesterday. And neither one
of us think that Darwin James a dirty player. You know, No,
he's not.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
But he's a physical player.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
He is a physical player, and that you know that reputation,
you know how that goes, like, I didn't think that
Kareem was intentionally dirty. I just thought stuff kind of
caught up with him after for a while, and when
you're not able to make certain plays anymore, you you
try to overcompensate by doing other things and it leads
to you know, I don't think I don't it is
not It's my opinion that Kareem was never out to
hurt anybody, right, But I think that there were some
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things that got away from him late in the career,
and you get that reputation and it's hard to get
rid of it.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Look, man, this game is physical, like the game that
Durwin James was suspended for. I think a hit on
Pittsburgh's tight end pat Firemoth yep. And I didn't really
like it because friar Mouth looked like he was going
down and Derwin James was trying to make a physical
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tackle and looked like for me, the first party contact
was on the shoulder.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
It reminds me of last year.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
When everyone was from a Raiders nation was in uproar
when Justin Simmons, I think, I think it was Jacoby
Myers that he No Kareem hit Jacoby Myers, Simmons.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Hit, it was Jimmy Garoppolo, I think so.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I think that's right, Jimmy garopp So it's a physical
game that you're playing. And once again, you try to
protect players as much as you can, but as a
defender trying to make a tackle and.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Do what you're paid to do, it is really hard
to do that.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
And looking at the Chargers, they've had a lot of
difficulties because the Jim Harbaugh hype train was in full
steam because the Chargers started off the season two and zero,
I mean, and then when you look at that particular point,
they were six ranked six as far as scoring in
the fourth quarter, right, But now the wheels of falling off.
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They've had injuries and the same issues that they're having
were the same issues the Broncos were having for the
first four weeks of the season. Was defense is playing well,
an offense just couldn't muster enough momentum.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, it's they have sixteen players on the injury report
right now, sixteen Joe Alt was limiting, Joey Bosa didn't
Junior Colson was limited, Cam dick or Gus Edwards, Christian
Fulton didn't practice, Dan Hanley justin, Herbert Hayden Hurst limited,
Derwin James didn't practice, Dan Leonard didn't practice. Khalil Mack
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was limited. Nick Neeman was a full practice after a
hamstring injury. Denzel Perryman was limited as Sante Samuel didn't practice,
Ray Shaun Slater was limited, and Jaie Taylor did not practice. Meanwhile,
the Broncos over here, you had five guys that were
either limited, that were limited Zach all John Frankenmarers both
those guys gonna be fine, and three that didn't Josh Reynolds, Palshowski,
and Luke Wadenberg.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
But these are the things that happened. Every team goes
through it. You hope that you don't have to do it,
and if you do, it happens right when you're going
into your bye weekend. This is where the Chargers are
right now. They're coming off there bye week. So some
of the guys that you're talking about listening on the
injury report, some were participants today. Some were limited participants,
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but they're hoping to be healthy coming into the game
on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
But also this is where.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Like last week with the Raiders, you still don't overlook
the Chargers based on what the injuries were because those
first two weeks, JK Dobbins was Roland.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Yeah he was. He was Roland.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
They saw him rolling. They to catch him Ryan.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Dirty exactly, and with Greg Roman being the offensive coordinator,
they want to come in and try to do the
same thing against the Broncos because, let's be totally honest,
even though the.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Broncos won that game, there were moments as.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Far as the run game was, uh, well, you look
at the.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Run game and what it was. There was some leaky runnage.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Like the.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
One we've seen a few players get away from. By
the way, JK Dobbins is averaging six point one to
carry on the season. Six point one a carry on
the season. That's an absurd number for running back.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Listen, he was a dog at Ohio State. He got
injured in baltim.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
He had the same he had the Javonte Williams injury
and it took him forever to come back from it.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yes, but is he uh do it all running back? Yes,
he is, and you don't want to allow him to
get rolling or the Chargers to build whatever momentum because
when you look at points against, like they've given up
defensively one hundred and forty three points. Offensively, they've scored
like ninety seven points. So as the Broncos defense start
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to get better, they have to take this team series
and try to extend the win streak from three to four.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
The large portion of what they want to do is
they want to be an I formation football team.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
They want to run the ball at you.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
They want lengthy, sustained drives to gas your defense and
keep your offense off the field. They want to keep
games close and play smart football, possession football at the
end of a game and win a game that way.
That's what this team is sort of designed to do.
They've struggled with that, obviously, due to the injuries that
they've had and all that they really don't This offense
has not thrown the ball very well thus far, and
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Greg Roman, who most recently was designing plays for Lamar Jackson,
hasn't really found his stride in working this thing for
than Herbert thus far, the run game has been strong,
but the passing game has been attle. Week. Their top
two receivers, Lad mcconkeye has fifteen catches through four games,
ro hunred and seventy six yards, two touchdowns, Quentin Johnson
eleven for one two and three touchdowns, and then JK.
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Dobbins is the only other double digit receiver they have
has ten catches for forty four yards through four games.
They they just don't throw the ball that much. It
really is pounded at you with a host of different
running backs that they have, and Herbert takes some carries
as well.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
JK. Dobbins.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Gus Edwards is more of the straight ahead power back.
I think everybody's kind of familiar with him, and then
Darius Davis Hassan Haskins have gotten some carries as well.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Well.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Well, you look at the receiving group for the charges
that covered as bear. There's no more Keenan Allen, There's
no Mike Williams. They brought over from Jacksonville DJ Chart
and he is yet to play because he's still dealing
with injuries. And I guess they thought he would be
ready to play against the Broncos, but they're gonna have
to wait a couple more weeks before that happens. So
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when you look at this matchup, it's almost similar right
to what the Get matchup was last week against the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Obviously, Devonte Adams.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Had hamstring or not, whether you believe it or not,
but they had some key injuries that really limited what
they could do both offensively and defensively. And Max Crosby
played last week. So will Joey Bosa play and Sunday's game,
I don't know. But here's a history on Joey Bosa,
which is a knock on him, is that, Yeah, he
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can get around the corner. He can you know, press
your quarterback, he can force your quarterback to throw the ball.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
But he doesn't finish games. He doesn't finish games.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And I would dare say there are times where he
doesn't finish plays. It's not like you're facing Nick Bosa, right,
It's not the same. Yeah, a guy with a high motor.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Right. It was funny because when Nick came.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Out the the Bosa brothers versus the Watt brothers in
terms of who was you know, and at the time
there was kind of a tilt toward I think the
Bosa brothers a little bit. But I think the Watt
Brothers probably have that one one in, you know, I
mean TJ is just not to think Bosa's not. But
you go back and look at the legacy of the
older brothers Joey versus j. J. Watt, and I think
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JJ Watt is just out Joey Bosa. Yes, he hasn't
finished seas since he doesn't finish games sometimes he might
not play in this one. I mean he said, did
not practice today because the hip issue. You know, he
might not even be playing. They might be using Khalil
Mack and Bud Dupree out there. Look, if those guys
are bad, none of those guys have been.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
And I'm not just saying, you know, Joey Bose is
a bad guy, but the whole idea of you compare.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Him to the Watt brothers.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
The Wat brothers, there's more production and the reason the
production goes up because you have to be available. But
if Bosa is out there knowing as though he has
a hip injury, my thing is, look, and the Broncos
have over the past two weeks have really leaned on
their run game. I'm gonna lean right on Joey Bosa
and I We're gonna test that hip, see if he
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can actually move.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
And one thing I miss.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
About I'll say old school football, right.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I miss.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Watching or playing against the outside zone and watching, yes,
and watching how Alex Gibbs would teach that, how they
would cut the backside right.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Because I'm not.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Advocating for anything, but I'm just saying, if a guy
happens to be out there and he has a hip injury, let's.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
See if he could pick up his feet, saying we might,
we might see what he could do. Yeah, just take
it for a little that's right.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
We both have halos that are held up my horns.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Are we talking. We're not talking about anything dirty. No,
we're just testing.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
We're just testing it out. Yes, making sure he's medically sound.
That's that's all we're doing here.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I look and I love I formation football. I do.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
It's you know, it's it's the offense that I'm most
familiar with on a personal level. That's what we did.
You know, Like I love I formation. If I have
a soft spot for it, I I do. I do
love it. I do love having a full back in there.
I do love having the full back in the tight
end line. To one side, and you know, and then
you're stretching the playout and you're looking for the cutback
holes as they create the lanes and string it out.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I love that kind of football, I do. But you
got to have a fullback that is athletic. That's why
I think about Kyle and when they run him a juice.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, yes, man, I'm an athlete.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
He's not a full bat.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
He's really a halfback who could play some full back
and tight end.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Yeah he's a tight end right, playing full back right.
But but how you utilize it? Yeah, this is it
reminds you like.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
If you can have a guy like like a I
call Stott back there, that's that's one thing that's that's different.
But really, if you can get a guy back there
like a Tony Richardson or a lorenzo'neil.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Oh, boy, you know, and I'm not even going those guys.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I mean, did you played against Larry centers at all?
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yes, Larry's got When I first got into.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
The league, Larry had hands. Larry was like a receiver
as well.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
On top of all that, but man, Tony watching Tony Richardson,
Lorenzo O'Neill, and there was a couple of those guys
where you were just like, man, that guy is full back,
like you say fullback, and that's there's like three names
that jump to mind. And there's somebody like I said,
all Stott who was more of a half back playing
playing full back or centers who would have been a
running back in today's league instead of a full back.
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But yeah, I watched in the way that those guys
had the knack for fun they had to have because
not only that, to be a great athlete, you got
to have the vision you're leading the way, you got
to find the cutback, like you got to find the hole, uh,
and for the you know, for the back to get
in behind you.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I was. I was with Reuben Drones and we were
having a conversation.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
The other night and he was telling me, he was like,
Clinton Porters really doesn't give guys like him a lot
of credit for the yards that Clinton was able to
get because Ruben was a running back in college at Oregon,
but he played fullback here. But he said it made
him a better running back because just like you said,
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he could see exactly where the holes were.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Where the cutback or not.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
And there was a play that Broncos used to to
run and it was held defending in practice. So when
we rented in the game, I knew the opposing defense
was gonna have issues. So you get into kind of
a you know, eye left situation. So they thinking like
you keep running outside zone, so you think that they're
gonna lead with the fullback, but the fullback starts in
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that direction to get the linebackers to overlap and overrun
the play, and they would run this play man and
it would work to perfection. It was called crossfire, where
he would take two steps and wind back, and the
opposite pass rushing defense in the outside linebacker he's getting
a field right right, So he gets a field because
he's trying to protect the boot. But now the fullback
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slides right out, Jake Palmer dumps it over his head.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
It's over.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, there's so much you can do with that, especially
if you've got a guy that can catch, you know,
another great.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
But he's gotta be athletic too though. You just can't
be like a fat neck guy.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah, it's just not you can't just be a Yeah.
There's all a bunch of people right now that are.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Picturing like Jerome Bettis is a full back and I'm like, no, no,
that's not what I mean. I mean more like Peyton
hillis right, that guy was Athletic had great Peyton Hills.
By the way, when he was at Arkansas, I had
the best hands on the team. He was the best
receiver on the team.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Uh, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
And then they had that that that three headed backfield
with McFadden, Felix Jones and Peyton hillis.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
They couldn't throw the ball with a darn but they
had those three guys.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
He had those three guys. I mean White he too.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
It was you know, it was it was fun to wak.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I think that if you can find guys that can
do those kinds of things and you can, you can run.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
They the excuse me.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
The Chargers use Scott Mattlock is their full back and
I'm not super familiar with Scott uh Mattlock's game. The
one thing I will tell you about it he is
a huge guy. He is six four ninety six and
used to play defensive line.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Wow, so he is the neck roll. I'm cutting that guy.
He is the neck roll, the knees.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
He is the guy.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
When he in fact, when he was he was from
Boise when he was at Boise, he was a defensive
lineman and they if they had him slim down a
little and become, you know, become a fullback really quickly.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Do you think that Lucas Crow could develop into the
guy that we're talking about, because if that's the case,
that would add a different element to the Broncos offense
that I'm even thinking, let's be totally on is looking
at Sean Payton's offenses uh in New Orleans and the tight.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Ends that he's had.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I don't know if any of those guys were utilizing
that particularly.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I mean Taysom Hill was used as a full back,
that's right, because I don't know if that counts. I mean,
you know, and Crow's pretty big, I mean cole six six,
you know, I mean he's pretty tall. Sixty six two
sixty that's pretty tall for for somebody to be doing that.
I don't know if he's I mean, you could try it.
I'm not I'm not post. I think they wanted Nate
Atkins to be that guy, you know, Okay, I don't
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think they want Burton or Adkins to be that guy.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
And Burton is the guy, yeah on the lead ISO right, right,
But I don't think he is that athletic to do that,
and I don't think I know they want Atkins to
be that guy, but I don't. I don't know if
he's that kind of skill. And I guess mentally I'm
thinking Cole's say, right, trying.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
To be that guy.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Well, but I mean use checks his own music yourn anyway,
I might as well call Kyle unicorn. I can't spell
use check anyway. I'm gonna try and figure it out
during the break. Broncos cuts your night back after this,
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and Nick, I want to continue on this this thing.
How can the Broncos continue the streak? You don't want
to overlook a banged up Chargers team, a very conservative
on offense Chargers team. My my concern I think with
this one is the propensity to fall into the trap
of going conservative because your opponent did. And I think
that that is not what the Broncos need to do
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in this scenario.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
No, they don't. I've never been a fan of that.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
I've always been a fan of the idea that if
you have your foot on an opponent's throat, you don't
finish him.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Yes, you don't take it off. It's just like Yeah,
just like the game, you finish him.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Because coaches are constantly telling guys on either side of
the ball, what's the coaching points. Finish the run, finish
the defensive tackle. Right, you want to finish games, You
want to close them out.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
And this is not.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
A time, especially after the Broncos. I guess so the
first time this season had an offensive explosion led by
the defense and PS two doesn't make a difference how
it started, but it started. You don't start to backtrack
because here's what we've seen over the past couple of weeks.
The Broncos have had a dedication to running the ball. Now,
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what if it looked like that if? But they have
been playing probably not. But since his injury, the Broncos
have had to lean heavily on Javonte Williams. But here's
the thing that I take away from the game against
the Raiders, Courtland Sudden wasn't the team's leading receiver.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
The team's leading receiver was Javonte Williams.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
So now you're getting him involved in a multitude of
different ways.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
To me, you want to.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Keep pressing that button because he's feeding the offense in
that particular way. He's taking the pressure off of Bo
Nicks and he's becoming a passing threat for the Denver Broncos.
So you don't pull back on it, you speed up.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, I think my again, and I saw it happen
enough times during the Vic Fangio era where Vic was
content to trade conservative offenses, you know, and keep it.
And I think Sean Payton probably doesn't have that same
mindset as an offensive oriented coach, but I don't want
him to get mired.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
In or stuck in.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Well, we got Bo, and this will be a chance
to stay conservative and dink and dunk a on the
line of scrimmage and all that kind of stuff. Now,
let a rip, man, get out there, let a rip
against this team. They don't have much of an offen.
They got a decent defense, but they don't have much
of an offense. Get out there, let a rip.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
I'm gonna go back to this and you're probably gonna
push back, and it's okay, And the fans may not
like it.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
But the Broncos TIKI shot down the field with Troy Franklin,
and we haven't seen that many shots down the field. Now,
would I say go back to Troy Franklin in that
particular moment, I would say yes, because I know as
a player from a confident standpoint, you want to show
that you still have confidence in the player, but you
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don't want the player to lose confidence in himself.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I'm sort of with.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
You on that, but for me, that's after you've built
the lead, then we're peppering him with targets and trying
to get him into that. For me, mimes is on
the first play of the game, we're going bang nine.
We're putting it up top, put him, you know, get
a situation where we can try to get Mems one
on one. We'll use motion to see if we're getting
one on one, and we get the one on one,
we're going over the top to Marvin mims and and
he's hanging on to the ball.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Listen, I'm all for it. Now. I'm not saying that.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
I wasn't suggesting take a shot down the field to
start to get I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Put it, put a bang nine on the field right
first play, put them on their heels first flight.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I am with you, But what I wasn't saying was
have Troy Franklin be that guy.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
But I'm saying still have.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Troy be a part of this office, because to take
Troy out and not even involve you know, Marvin Mims,
you're playing with your hands tied behind your back. You
need to deploy as many weapons as you can. Get
each guy comfortable, get him enough targets to get him comfortable.
So when you take that shot, When you take that shot, Ben,
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the guy has confidence that you're going to.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Go to him and he's going to deliver absolutely.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
And I'm actually agree with with you here, I think
you want to For me, I would have Mems in
the first half, using him a little bit more in
the first half, and then once we to lead, then
we're Pepper and Troy Franklin with targets, a couple of
short stuff to get him, get him comfortable, and then
we're going to take a deep shot to get that
confidence going again and get them worked out. If we
build a big enough lead we had a two score lead,
then we're starting to do stuff like that sort of
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You know, I don't even.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Think you have to have a two score lead because
you have to find a way to bat teams off right.
And look, the Chargers having the same issues the Broncos
were having for the first couple of weeks it was
the office looked a little stagnant because you're not able
to take the shots down in the field because your
speedy receivers and DJ halk he's not healthy. So the
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idea is that, yes, do the Broncos have big body
wide receivers, Yes, but you're fastest guys, Troy Franklin and
Marvin Mims.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
So the idea is to get them into a foe.
But I'm right there with you.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Take that deep shot with Marvin Mims, because that's gonna
get Mems confidence that, you know what, they're not utilizing
my speed.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Right, I'm with you, though, I do think we need
take some deep shots early, and I do think we
need to get Marvin Mims involved. But I do think
we do need to get build Troy Franklin up. Like
that's where we're at this point. Yeah, it was a
bad drop. It was a brutally bad drop. You open,
you had nobody within five yards of you, and you
Eddie Kennison.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
To the mess out of that.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Let's be total due respect Eddie Kennison, who just took
a cheap shot.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
All right, Let's be totally honest. In the NFL.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
We've seen guys make amazing catches. But the catch is
that we all rave about that make the full Let
the network top ten are the ones that contested, right,
because it seems as though the ones that are the
toughest to haul in are the ones when you're wide open,
the ones where someone is in phasing close to you
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and you got to go up to grab the fifty
to fifty baller talk and turn your body, those are
the ones that we rave about that guys kind of
it forces them.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
To concentrate more.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
And once again, I'm not saying that, hey, look it
that Troy Franklin shouldn't have made that catch, But unless
you've been in that situation, you have no freaking idea
what it's like.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Well, plus, i mean that's his first real deep shot too.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
You know what it is, you're wide open, you overthink it,
you get a case of the tight cheeks, and you know,
you know what, your little nerves.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
It's more than the teeth that get tight. Everything dying.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
And you look like you're trying to catch the ball
between two frying pants, you know out there. Yeah, it's
just look I you know, and I feel for Troy
Franklin had He had a rough camp in preseas. He
was struggling with beating the jam, he struggled with dropping
a ball. He was getting coached pretty hard by John Morton.
I think we allso heard John Morton screaming at him
out there on multiple occasions. But at the end of
the day, I mean, you got to come out. It's
is a big league you getting paid for it. You
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got to come out and produce. And I think if
you're I think good coaching in this situation, I think
you're exactly right. I think that that's what you do.
You build a guy back up. But I think you
do that in situational football. You know, we're gonna give
a couple of easy ones, get it back under it,
and then we'll take a shot with him, you know,
a little late to see if we can't get another
another opportunity.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Take the same approach, and it may be a little
different because, once again, going back to the Devonte Williams situation,
Tyler Braday, he was injured, so the Broncos had the
lean on Javonte with no so much p ryn. In
this case with Troy Franklin, they really don't have to.
But take that same type of approach where you say, okay,
well Vante fumbled the ball against the Bucks, right, and
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it seemed like he was gonna be in the doghouse.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Right now, Troy is struggling with confidence. Go back to him, talk,
talk to him.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
And that's the last thing you want is for guys
to separate from him in the locker room and even
the coaches to do that. So now he's mentally isolating
himself and he can't really focus on simple things that
he's been doing ever since Pop Warner football.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Right, and it can create a downward spiral. So I'm
all for that. I'm with it on that. I want
to look at the Broncos depth so far this year.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I had a couple of injuries, a spate of injuries
in the last game, watt Berg, Alex Pelshowski. We saw
Bulls even get dinged up a little bit, you know,
Bo took a little bit. We've seen, We've seen a
little bit of you know, of injury of late. How
do we grade the Broncos depth thus far?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Well, I'm gonna give the Broncos depth an A and
until something else tells me anything different. Because when Mike
mcglitchy went out, Okay, the idea was whos gonna play
right tackle?
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Who's gonna fill in?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
And Potchwsky came in and he did a great job
until he got injured, right, and then you look at
what happened to Alex Singleton and then Justice Schrenard stepped
in and he's played better than most people have given
him credit for.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
So I really liked the depth. And then once again.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Ex Moss won right like like last year, the Mary
Mathis was the guy, right, and there was some injuries
with Roley Moss and you know, abdominal stuff, But then
everyone was wondering in Trendy Campbell, who's gonna be that
corner opposite Piers Who is going to be lee By Wallace,
Roley Moss, Themary Mathis. But Riley has stepped in and
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he's played phenomenal. And we're still not talking about Chris
Abrams drain.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah mentioned him who looked pretty good at their preseason.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Camp, right, and that's still a young guy. He still
has his time, but he's played well.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
So even heard from Levi Wallace at all, and that's
somebody we thought was gonna play a prominent role.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Well, Leby played a little in the Pittsburgh game, and
you play a little on Sunday. But once again, right now,
Riley has cubmitted himself as being the guy, the guy
opposite PS two. And then you got Devin Key, you
got Jayle Skinner who had a hell of a tackle
on kickoff.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
On Sunday's game.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
So the Broncos have some death and you know, I'm
gonna take a moment to give credit what credit is
due to George paid in his scouting staff, because you
don't get those types of players unless your scouts are
really on the ball and know what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
One of the things we talked about is the programmer
fans Joseph, you know, and his eye for talent brought
Zach Allen over here.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
It was his recommendation that brought Brandon Jones over here
as well.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Know, I think that the collectively the eye for talent
between the coaches, the scouts, the general manager. You know,
you don't get guys like Kedrian Smith, JL Skinner, Devon Key.
You know, they brought over Christian Welsh, somebody they kept one.
A lot of guys who are cast off from San
Francisco have have found their way here. Key of course,
one of those Keeteran Smith I just mentioned, Christian Welsh,
DeAndre Tillman, Jordan Jackson, DJ Jones is formerly from San Francisco.
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You've got a lot of former PJ lock too, you
got a lot of people that used to be with
the Niners organization. And it's interesting to me because the
defense that they play here is not what they were
playing in San Francisco. San Francisco is basically they had
to cover three and that's not what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Here, right because it was covered three, some fire zone,
some different things. But well, once again, this is going
out trying to identify certain skill sets that guys have
and try to incorporate them into what you are doing.
Like like Kawan Alexander, like Quad's biggest issue is that
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he's it's been injured, it's been hurt. But when he's healthy,
he's a hell of a player. He brings a lot
of energy, brings a lot of juice to the team.
But for me, it's just not just getting to a
point where these individuals can contribute from a starting standpoint,
because since these players can actually play, they now make
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your offense a lot better because a lot of these
guys are run your second or your third team, your
scout team, right and even though they're going to run
the cards without the team, but they still get a
chance to display their skill set against some of your
current starters. And it's very difficult ben trying to forecasts
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because people don't understand this. And let me let me
give this bit to you. The Broncos roster is constructed
right now and they're playing great defensively.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
But the one thing that you can never fall short
on is looking for talent.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Keep finding for talent. They talk about the churn at
the bottom of the roster.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
That could be a callous way for ending some guy's dreams,
but in reality, you're you're always trying to shore up
your you know, the bottom of that Find new talent,
Find find the next j qual mcmillion, Yes, you know,
because find the next Nick firston.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Yeah, it only builds up the competition in the room.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
So to make sure that guys are not sleeping on
the job, they're not becoming complacent. You bring some guys
in and you see some guys move around, and guys
are going old. I got to make sure I continue
to be on my job.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
One of those and wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
The Saints cast off at Parry the the I mean,
he's a huge guy, mostly a long strider, but at
Parry a guy that Broncos has signed to the practice
squad kind of opened some eyes.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
He's got a lot of straight line speed.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Not really what i'd call a quick twitch guy, but
four four five, it's six four, two hundred pounds. He's
you know he, I mean, he's a he's a big
guy and he's uh one of those guys. He's got
a pretty good catch radius when it comes to that
kind of stuff. But it opens the eyes that you're
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still charting on wide receivers out there when it feels
like we're not using some of the receivers we have.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Well, once again, let's go back to Devon Vlay. He
was like the bell of the ball when it came
to training camp. Everyone was so excited the way he
moved around and his emergence and his production in training
camp made the team made it easy for the team
to move away from veteran wide receiver Tim Patrick. And
so far the season, you haven't seen Valay due to
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injury and with Marvin Mams and Troy Franklin seeing very
few targets. The Broncos have to bring guys in hoping
that maybe it would spark something and some of those
guys who are not getting enough playing time. Because this
is how it works. Guys are on a piece Squeezy.
That's a practice squad for those who don't know. You
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can elevate guys and you can demote guys. So this
is another way to get healthy, to bring or in
courage competition. But still we get a chance to get
a peak out some new guys in your and the
guys that you currently have on the roster.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
The peace squeeze no cap.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Yeah, he squeezing no cap.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Stephen Steve would say five six sixty nine zeros a
text line. We've got Nick Cosmider from the Athletic. We're
gonna really look into this Chargers thing when when we
get back. Broncos Country to Night rolls on right here
on KASA fifty eight and nine four one to FM
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Tomorrow night.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
We're gonna be uh live from the Great American Beer Fest.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Who have you going down to the beer Fest? You
are going out of the beer for you? Of course
you are.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
He's always then, he's always in the good stuff covers
like yeah, of course, of course beer Fest?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
What are you talking about? Some of you may remember.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Myself Coach Pigano uh from their live last year, and
we had some really cool maybe a cool interview with
a brewery from Hawaii. They were going through the Hawaii
fires at the time, and they were they were creating
these bruis and these beers and trying to get money
for relief for the for the Hawaii fires and all
that kind of stuff. There's some cool stories behind some
of this stuff. And it's not just out here tasting
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great beer all though you get to do that as well.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
So I encourage everybody get on down the Great America
Beer Fest tomorrow, come on out, say hi, uh, wave
wave at us, Bring me all your beer samples.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I will I will try them. So looking forward to
that tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Well, I guess it's safe to say that any sampoos
that are put before me, I show slide them to
my right.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Across the table, and I, as a good partner, does
will take care of you. I will take care of
those samples. I will make sure that they don't go
to waste, and you would be able to tell me, like,
like what did they taste?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I'll describe them back to you the notes of pineapple.
This has an OK after finish.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I don't think we're doing Scots, but you get the idea, right, So, Uh,
Great American Beer Fest tomorrow, looking forward to that as always. Uh,
we got uh the Chargers coming up. He thought the
Raiders were banged up. Charger has been pretty banged up too.
Offense hasn't really been clicking. Both tackles Rayshawn Slater, Joe
Alt have been hurt. Lad mccackey is their best receiver.
He's been dinged up on the defensive side. Joey Bose
(01:34):
has been hurt too. Your Colson's been hurt. Just your
tailor's been hurt. Dan Leonard's been hurt.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Derwin James was suspended a game for Uh. He got
the Kareem Jackson suspension. Now I don't and I'm trying
to remember who I was talking to.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Steve.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I was talking to Steve Atwater yesterday. And neither one
of us think that Darwin James a dirty player. You know, No,
he's not.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
But he's a physical player.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
He is a physical player, and that you know that reputation,
you know how that goes, like, I didn't think that
Kareem was intentionally dirty. I just thought stuff kind of
caught up with him after for a while, and when
you're not able to make certain plays anymore, you you
try to overcompensate by doing other things and it leads
to you know, I don't think I don't it is
not It's my opinion that Kareem was never out to
hurt anybody, right, But I think that there were some
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things that got away from him late in the career,
and you get that reputation and it's hard to get
rid of it.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Look, man, this game is physical, like the game that
Durwin James was suspended for. I think a hit on
Pittsburgh's tight end pat Firemoth yep. And I didn't really
like it because friar Mouth looked like he was going
down and Derwin James was trying to make a physical
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tackle and looked like for me, the first party contact
was on the shoulder.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
It reminds me of last year.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
When everyone was from a Raiders nation was in uproar
when Justin Simmons, I think, I think it was Jacoby
Myers that he No Kareem hit Jacoby Myers, Simmons.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Hit, it was Jimmy Garoppolo, I think so.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I think that's right, Jimmy garopp So it's a physical
game that you're playing. And once again, you try to
protect players as much as you can, but as a
defender trying to make a tackle and.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Do what you're paid to do, it is really hard
to do that.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
And looking at the Chargers, they've had a lot of
difficulties because the Jim Harbaugh hype train was in full
steam because the Chargers started off the season two and zero,
I mean, and then when you look at that particular point,
they were six ranked six as far as scoring in
the fourth quarter, right, But now the wheels of falling off.
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They've had injuries and the same issues that they're having
were the same issues the Broncos were having for the
first four weeks of the season. Was defense is playing well,
an offense just couldn't muster enough momentum.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, it's they have sixteen players on the injury report
right now, sixteen Joe Alt was limiting, Joey Bosa didn't
Junior Colson was limited, Cam dick or Gus Edwards, Christian
Fulton didn't practice, Dan Hanley justin, Herbert Hayden Hurst limited,
Derwin James didn't practice, Dan Leonard didn't practice. Khalil Mack
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was limited. Nick Neeman was a full practice after a
hamstring injury. Denzel Perryman was limited as Sante Samuel didn't practice,
Ray Shaun Slater was limited, and Jaie Taylor did not practice. Meanwhile,
the Broncos over here, you had five guys that were
either limited, that were limited Zach all John Frankenmarers both
those guys gonna be fine, and three that didn't Josh Reynolds, Palshowski,
and Luke Wadenberg.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
But these are the things that happened. Every team goes
through it. You hope that you don't have to do it,
and if you do, it happens right when you're going
into your bye weekend. This is where the Chargers are
right now. They're coming off there bye week. So some
of the guys that you're talking about listening on the
injury report, some were participants today. Some were limited participants,
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but they're hoping to be healthy coming into the game
on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
But also this is where.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Like last week with the Raiders, you still don't overlook
the Chargers based on what the injuries were because those
first two weeks, JK Dobbins was Roland.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Yeah he was. He was Roland.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
They saw him rolling. They to catch him Ryan.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Dirty exactly, and with Greg Roman being the offensive coordinator,
they want to come in and try to do the
same thing against the Broncos because, let's be totally honest,
even though the.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Broncos won that game, there were moments as.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Far as the run game was, uh, well, you look
at the.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Run game and what it was. There was some leaky runnage.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Like the.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
One we've seen a few players get away from. By
the way, JK Dobbins is averaging six point one to
carry on the season. Six point one a carry on
the season. That's an absurd number for running back.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Listen, he was a dog at Ohio State. He got
injured in baltim.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
He had the same he had the Javonte Williams injury
and it took him forever to come back from it.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yes, but is he uh do it all running back? Yes,
he is, and you don't want to allow him to
get rolling or the Chargers to build whatever momentum because
when you look at points against, like they've given up
defensively one hundred and forty three points. Offensively, they've scored
like ninety seven points. So as the Broncos defense start
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to get better, they have to take this team series
and try to extend the win streak from three to four.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
The large portion of what they want to do is
they want to be an I formation football team.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
They want to run the ball at you.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
They want lengthy, sustained drives to gas your defense and
keep your offense off the field. They want to keep
games close and play smart football, possession football at the
end of a game and win a game that way.
That's what this team is sort of designed to do.
They've struggled with that, obviously, due to the injuries that
they've had and all that they really don't This offense
has not thrown the ball very well thus far, and
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Greg Roman, who most recently was designing plays for Lamar Jackson,
hasn't really found his stride in working this thing for
than Herbert thus far, the run game has been strong,
but the passing game has been attle. Week. Their top
two receivers, Lad mcconkeye has fifteen catches through four games,
ro hunred and seventy six yards, two touchdowns, Quentin Johnson
eleven for one two and three touchdowns, and then JK.
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Dobbins is the only other double digit receiver they have
has ten catches for forty four yards through four games.
They they just don't throw the ball that much. It
really is pounded at you with a host of different
running backs that they have, and Herbert takes some carries
as well.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
JK. Dobbins.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Gus Edwards is more of the straight ahead power back.
I think everybody's kind of familiar with him, and then
Darius Davis Hassan Haskins have gotten some carries as well.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Well.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Well, you look at the receiving group for the charges
that covered as bear. There's no more Keenan Allen, There's
no Mike Williams. They brought over from Jacksonville DJ Chart
and he is yet to play because he's still dealing
with injuries. And I guess they thought he would be
ready to play against the Broncos, but they're gonna have
to wait a couple more weeks before that happens. So
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when you look at this matchup, it's almost similar right
to what the Get matchup was last week against the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Obviously, Devonte Adams.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Had hamstring or not, whether you believe it or not,
but they had some key injuries that really limited what
they could do both offensively and defensively. And Max Crosby
played last week. So will Joey Bosa play and Sunday's game,
I don't know. But here's a history on Joey Bosa,
which is a knock on him, is that, Yeah, he
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can get around the corner. He can you know, press
your quarterback, he can force your quarterback to throw the ball.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
But he doesn't finish games. He doesn't finish games.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And I would dare say there are times where he
doesn't finish plays. It's not like you're facing Nick Bosa, right,
It's not the same. Yeah, a guy with a high motor.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Right. It was funny because when Nick came.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Out the the Bosa brothers versus the Watt brothers in
terms of who was you know, and at the time
there was kind of a tilt toward I think the
Bosa brothers a little bit. But I think the Watt
Brothers probably have that one one in, you know, I
mean TJ is just not to think Bosa's not. But
you go back and look at the legacy of the
older brothers Joey versus j. J. Watt, and I think
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JJ Watt is just out Joey Bosa. Yes, he hasn't
finished seas since he doesn't finish games sometimes he might
not play in this one. I mean he said, did
not practice today because the hip issue. You know, he
might not even be playing. They might be using Khalil
Mack and Bud Dupree out there. Look, if those guys
are bad, none of those guys have been.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
And I'm not just saying, you know, Joey Bose is
a bad guy, but the whole idea of you compare.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Him to the Watt brothers.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
The Wat brothers, there's more production and the reason the
production goes up because you have to be available. But
if Bosa is out there knowing as though he has
a hip injury, my thing is, look, and the Broncos
have over the past two weeks have really leaned on
their run game. I'm gonna lean right on Joey Bosa
and I We're gonna test that hip, see if he
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can actually move.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
And one thing I miss.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
About I'll say old school football, right.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
I miss.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Watching or playing against the outside zone and watching, yes,
and watching how Alex Gibbs would teach that, how they
would cut the backside right.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Because I'm not.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Advocating for anything, but I'm just saying, if a guy
happens to be out there and he has a hip injury, let's.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
See if he could pick up his feet, saying we might,
we might see what he could do. Yeah, just take
it for a little that's right.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
We both have halos that are held up my horns.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Are we talking. We're not talking about anything dirty. No,
we're just testing.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
We're just testing it out. Yes, making sure he's medically sound.
That's that's all we're doing here.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I look and I love I formation football. I do.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
It's you know, it's it's the offense that I'm most
familiar with on a personal level. That's what we did.
You know, Like I love I formation. If I have
a soft spot for it, I I do. I do
love it. I do love having a full back in there.
I do love having the full back in the tight
end line. To one side, and you know, and then
you're stretching the playout and you're looking for the cutback
holes as they create the lanes and string it out.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I love that kind of football, I do. But you
got to have a fullback that is athletic. That's why
I think about Kyle and when they run him a juice.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, yes, man, I'm an athlete.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
He's not a full bat.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
He's really a halfback who could play some full back
and tight end.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Yeah he's a tight end right, playing full back right.
But but how you utilize it? Yeah, this is it
reminds you like.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
If you can have a guy like like a I
call Stott back there, that's that's one thing that's that's different.
But really, if you can get a guy back there
like a Tony Richardson or a lorenzo'neil.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Oh, boy, you know, and I'm not even going those guys.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I mean, did you played against Larry centers at all?
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yes, Larry's got When I first got into.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
The league, Larry had hands. Larry was like a receiver
as well.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
On top of all that, but man, Tony watching Tony Richardson,
Lorenzo O'Neill, and there was a couple of those guys
where you were just like, man, that guy is full back,
like you say fullback, and that's there's like three names
that jump to mind. And there's somebody like I said,
all Stott who was more of a half back playing
playing full back or centers who would have been a
running back in today's league instead of a full back.
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But yeah, I watched in the way that those guys
had the knack for fun they had to have because
not only that, to be a great athlete, you got
to have the vision you're leading the way, you got
to find the cutback, like you got to find the hole, uh,
and for the you know, for the back to get
in behind you.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
I was. I was with Reuben Drones and we were
having a conversation.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
The other night and he was telling me, he was like,
Clinton Porters really doesn't give guys like him a lot
of credit for the yards that Clinton was able to
get because Ruben was a running back in college at Oregon,
but he played fullback here. But he said it made
him a better running back because just like you said,
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he could see exactly where the holes were.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Where the cutback or not.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
And there was a play that Broncos used to to
run and it was held defending in practice. So when
we rented in the game, I knew the opposing defense
was gonna have issues. So you get into kind of
a you know, eye left situation. So they thinking like
you keep running outside zone, so you think that they're
gonna lead with the fullback, but the fullback starts in
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that direction to get the linebackers to overlap and overrun
the play, and they would run this play man and
it would work to perfection. It was called crossfire, where
he would take two steps and wind back, and the
opposite pass rushing defense in the outside linebacker he's getting
a field right right, So he gets a field because
he's trying to protect the boot. But now the fullback
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slides right out, Jake Palmer dumps it over his head.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
It's over.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, there's so much you can do with that, especially
if you've got a guy that can catch, you know,
another great.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
But he's gotta be athletic too though. You just can't
be like a fat neck guy.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah, it's just not you can't just be a Yeah.
There's all a bunch of people right now that are.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Picturing like Jerome Bettis is a full back and I'm like, no, no,
that's not what I mean. I mean more like Peyton
hillis right, that guy was Athletic had great Peyton Hills.
By the way, when he was at Arkansas, I had
the best hands on the team. He was the best
receiver on the team.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Uh, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
And then they had that that that three headed backfield
with McFadden, Felix Jones and Peyton hillis.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
They couldn't throw the ball with a darn but they
had those three guys.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
He had those three guys. I mean White he too.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
It was you know, it was it was fun to wak.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I think that if you can find guys that can
do those kinds of things and you can, you can run.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
They the excuse me.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
The Chargers use Scott Mattlock is their full back and
I'm not super familiar with Scott uh Mattlock's game. The
one thing I will tell you about it he is
a huge guy. He is six four ninety six and
used to play defensive line.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Wow, so he is the neck roll. I'm cutting that guy.
He is the neck roll, the knees.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
He is the guy.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
When he in fact, when he was he was from
Boise when he was at Boise, he was a defensive
lineman and they if they had him slim down a
little and become, you know, become a fullback really quickly.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Do you think that Lucas Crow could develop into the
guy that we're talking about, because if that's the case,
that would add a different element to the Broncos offense
that I'm even thinking, let's be totally on is looking
at Sean Payton's offenses uh in New Orleans and the tight.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Ends that he's had.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I don't know if any of those guys were utilizing
that particularly.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I mean Taysom Hill was used as a full back,
that's right, because I don't know if that counts. I mean,
you know, and Crow's pretty big, I mean cole six six,
you know, I mean he's pretty tall. Sixty six two
sixty that's pretty tall for for somebody to be doing that.
I don't know if he's I mean, you could try it.
I'm not I'm not post. I think they wanted Nate
Atkins to be that guy, you know, Okay, I don't
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think they want Burton or Adkins to be that guy.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
And Burton is the guy, yeah on the lead ISO right, right,
But I don't think he is that athletic to do that,
and I don't think I know they want Atkins to
be that guy, but I don't. I don't know if
he's that kind of skill. And I guess mentally I'm
thinking Cole's say, right, trying.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
To be that guy.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Well, but I mean use checks his own music yourn anyway,
I might as well call Kyle unicorn. I can't spell
use check anyway. I'm gonna try and figure it out
during the break. Broncos cuts your night back after this,
(16:45):
and Nick, I want to continue on this this thing.
How can the Broncos continue the streak? You don't want
to overlook a banged up Chargers team, a very conservative
on offense Chargers team. My my concern I think with
this one is the propensity to fall into the trap
of going conservative because your opponent did. And I think
that that is not what the Broncos need to do
(17:06):
in this scenario.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
No, they don't. I've never been a fan of that.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
I've always been a fan of the idea that if
you have your foot on an opponent's throat, you don't
finish him.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Yes, you don't take it off. It's just like Yeah,
just like the game, you finish him.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Because coaches are constantly telling guys on either side of
the ball, what's the coaching points. Finish the run, finish
the defensive tackle. Right, you want to finish games, You
want to close them out.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
And this is not.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
A time, especially after the Broncos. I guess so the
first time this season had an offensive explosion led by
the defense and PS two doesn't make a difference how
it started, but it started. You don't start to backtrack
because here's what we've seen over the past couple of weeks.
The Broncos have had a dedication to running the ball. Now,
(18:00):
what if it looked like that if? But they have
been playing probably not. But since his injury, the Broncos
have had to lean heavily on Javonte Williams. But here's
the thing that I take away from the game against
the Raiders, Courtland Sudden wasn't the team's leading receiver.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
The team's leading receiver was Javonte Williams.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
So now you're getting him involved in a multitude of
different ways.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
To me, you want to.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Keep pressing that button because he's feeding the offense in
that particular way. He's taking the pressure off of Bo
Nicks and he's becoming a passing threat for the Denver Broncos.
So you don't pull back on it, you speed up.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, I think my again, and I saw it happen
enough times during the Vic Fangio era where Vic was
content to trade conservative offenses, you know, and keep it.
And I think Sean Payton probably doesn't have that same
mindset as an offensive oriented coach, but I don't want
him to get mired.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
In or stuck in.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Well, we got Bo, and this will be a chance
to stay conservative and dink and dunk a on the
line of scrimmage and all that kind of stuff. Now,
let a rip, man, get out there, let a rip
against this team. They don't have much of an offen.
They got a decent defense, but they don't have much
of an offense. Get out there, let a rip.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
I'm gonna go back to this and you're probably gonna
push back, and it's okay, And the fans may not
like it.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
But the Broncos TIKI shot down the field with Troy Franklin,
and we haven't seen that many shots down the field. Now,
would I say go back to Troy Franklin in that
particular moment, I would say yes, because I know as
a player from a confident standpoint, you want to show
that you still have confidence in the player, but you
(19:45):
don't want the player to lose confidence in himself.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I'm sort of with.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
You on that, but for me, that's after you've built
the lead, then we're peppering him with targets and trying
to get him into that. For me, mimes is on
the first play of the game, we're going bang nine.
We're putting it up top, put him, you know, get
a situation where we can try to get Mems one
on one. We'll use motion to see if we're getting
one on one, and we get the one on one,
we're going over the top to Marvin mims and and
he's hanging on to the ball.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Listen, I'm all for it. Now. I'm not saying that.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
I wasn't suggesting take a shot down the field to
start to get I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Put it, put a bang nine on the field right
first play, put them on their heels first flight.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I am with you, But what I wasn't saying was
have Troy Franklin be that guy.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
But I'm saying still have.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Troy be a part of this office, because to take
Troy out and not even involve you know, Marvin Mims,
you're playing with your hands tied behind your back. You
need to deploy as many weapons as you can. Get
each guy comfortable, get him enough targets to get him comfortable.
So when you take that shot, When you take that shot, Ben,
(20:47):
the guy has confidence that you're going to.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Go to him and he's going to deliver absolutely.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
And I'm actually agree with with you here, I think
you want to For me, I would have Mems in
the first half, using him a little bit more in
the first half, and then once we to lead, then
we're Pepper and Troy Franklin with targets, a couple of
short stuff to get him, get him comfortable, and then
we're going to take a deep shot to get that
confidence going again and get them worked out. If we
build a big enough lead we had a two score lead,
then we're starting to do stuff like that sort of
(21:12):
You know, I don't even.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Think you have to have a two score lead because
you have to find a way to bat teams off right.
And look, the Chargers having the same issues the Broncos
were having for the first couple of weeks it was
the office looked a little stagnant because you're not able
to take the shots down in the field because your
speedy receivers and DJ halk he's not healthy. So the
(21:34):
idea is that, yes, do the Broncos have big body
wide receivers, Yes, but you're fastest guys, Troy Franklin and
Marvin Mims.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
So the idea is to get them into a foe.
But I'm right there with you.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Take that deep shot with Marvin Mims, because that's gonna
get Mems confidence that, you know what, they're not utilizing
my speed.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Right, I'm with you, though, I do think we need
take some deep shots early, and I do think we
need to get Marvin Mims involved. But I do think
we do need to get build Troy Franklin up. Like
that's where we're at this point. Yeah, it was a
bad drop. It was a brutally bad drop. You open,
you had nobody within five yards of you, and you
Eddie Kennison.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
To the mess out of that.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Let's be total due respect Eddie Kennison, who just took
a cheap shot.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
All right, Let's be totally honest. In the NFL.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
We've seen guys make amazing catches. But the catch is
that we all rave about that make the full Let
the network top ten are the ones that contested, right,
because it seems as though the ones that are the
toughest to haul in are the ones when you're wide open,
the ones where someone is in phasing close to you
(22:46):
and you got to go up to grab the fifty
to fifty baller talk and turn your body, those are
the ones that we rave about that guys kind of
it forces them.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
To concentrate more.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
And once again, I'm not saying that, hey, look it
that Troy Franklin shouldn't have made that catch, But unless
you've been in that situation, you have no freaking idea
what it's like.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Well, plus, i mean that's his first real deep shot too.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
You know what it is, you're wide open, you overthink it,
you get a case of the tight cheeks, and you know,
you know what, your little nerves.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
It's more than the teeth that get tight. Everything dying.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
And you look like you're trying to catch the ball
between two frying pants, you know out there. Yeah, it's
just look I you know, and I feel for Troy
Franklin had He had a rough camp in preseas. He
was struggling with beating the jam, he struggled with dropping
a ball. He was getting coached pretty hard by John Morton.
I think we allso heard John Morton screaming at him
out there on multiple occasions. But at the end of
the day, I mean, you got to come out. It's
is a big league you getting paid for it. You
(23:42):
got to come out and produce. And I think if
you're I think good coaching in this situation, I think
you're exactly right. I think that that's what you do.
You build a guy back up. But I think you
do that in situational football. You know, we're gonna give
a couple of easy ones, get it back under it,
and then we'll take a shot with him, you know,
a little late to see if we can't get another
another opportunity.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Take the same approach, and it may be a little
different because, once again, going back to the Devonte Williams situation,
Tyler Braday, he was injured, so the Broncos had the
lean on Javonte with no so much p ryn. In
this case with Troy Franklin, they really don't have to.
But take that same type of approach where you say, okay,
well Vante fumbled the ball against the Bucks, right, and
(24:20):
it seemed like he was gonna be in the doghouse.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Right now, Troy is struggling with confidence. Go back to him, talk,
talk to him.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
And that's the last thing you want is for guys
to separate from him in the locker room and even
the coaches to do that. So now he's mentally isolating
himself and he can't really focus on simple things that
he's been doing ever since Pop Warner football.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Right, and it can create a downward spiral. So I'm
all for that. I'm with it on that. I want
to look at the Broncos depth so far this year.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I had a couple of injuries, a spate of injuries
in the last game, watt Berg, Alex Pelshowski. We saw
Bulls even get dinged up a little bit, you know,
Bo took a little bit. We've seen, We've seen a
little bit of you know, of injury of late. How
do we grade the Broncos depth thus far?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Well, I'm gonna give the Broncos depth an A and
until something else tells me anything different. Because when Mike
mcglitchy went out, Okay, the idea was whos gonna play
right tackle?
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Who's gonna fill in?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
And Potchwsky came in and he did a great job
until he got injured, right, and then you look at
what happened to Alex Singleton and then Justice Schrenard stepped
in and he's played better than most people have given
him credit for.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
So I really liked the depth. And then once again.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Ex Moss won right like like last year, the Mary
Mathis was the guy, right, and there was some injuries
with Roley Moss and you know, abdominal stuff, But then
everyone was wondering in Trendy Campbell, who's gonna be that
corner opposite Piers Who is going to be lee By Wallace,
Roley Moss, Themary Mathis. But Riley has stepped in and
(25:59):
he's played phenomenal. And we're still not talking about Chris
Abrams drain.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah mentioned him who looked pretty good at their preseason.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Camp, right, and that's still a young guy. He still
has his time, but he's played well.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
So even heard from Levi Wallace at all, and that's
somebody we thought was gonna play a prominent role.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Well, Leby played a little in the Pittsburgh game, and
you play a little on Sunday. But once again, right now,
Riley has cubmitted himself as being the guy, the guy
opposite PS two. And then you got Devin Key, you
got Jayle Skinner who had a hell of a tackle
on kickoff.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
On Sunday's game.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
So the Broncos have some death and you know, I'm
gonna take a moment to give credit what credit is
due to George paid in his scouting staff, because you
don't get those types of players unless your scouts are
really on the ball and know what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
One of the things we talked about is the programmer
fans Joseph, you know, and his eye for talent brought
Zach Allen over here.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
It was his recommendation that brought Brandon Jones over here
as well.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Know, I think that the collectively the eye for talent
between the coaches, the scouts, the general manager. You know,
you don't get guys like Kedrian Smith, JL Skinner, Devon Key.
You know, they brought over Christian Welsh, somebody they kept one.
A lot of guys who are cast off from San
Francisco have have found their way here. Key of course,
one of those Keeteran Smith I just mentioned, Christian Welsh,
DeAndre Tillman, Jordan Jackson, DJ Jones is formerly from San Francisco.
(27:24):
You've got a lot of former PJ lock too, you
got a lot of people that used to be with
the Niners organization. And it's interesting to me because the
defense that they play here is not what they were
playing in San Francisco. San Francisco is basically they had
to cover three and that's not what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Here, right because it was covered three, some fire zone,
some different things. But well, once again, this is going
out trying to identify certain skill sets that guys have
and try to incorporate them into what you are doing.
Like like Kawan Alexander, like Quad's biggest issue is that
(27:59):
he's it's been injured, it's been hurt. But when he's healthy,
he's a hell of a player. He brings a lot
of energy, brings a lot of juice to the team.
But for me, it's just not just getting to a
point where these individuals can contribute from a starting standpoint,
because since these players can actually play, they now make
(28:19):
your offense a lot better because a lot of these
guys are run your second or your third team, your
scout team, right and even though they're going to run
the cards without the team, but they still get a
chance to display their skill set against some of your
current starters. And it's very difficult ben trying to forecasts
(28:40):
because people don't understand this. And let me let me
give this bit to you. The Broncos roster is constructed
right now and they're playing great defensively.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
But the one thing that you can never fall short
on is looking for talent.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Keep finding for talent. They talk about the churn at
the bottom of the roster.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
That could be a callous way for ending some guy's dreams,
but in reality, you're you're always trying to shore up
your you know, the bottom of that Find new talent,
Find find the next j qual mcmillion, Yes, you know,
because find the next Nick firston.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Yeah, it only builds up the competition in the room.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
So to make sure that guys are not sleeping on
the job, they're not becoming complacent. You bring some guys
in and you see some guys move around, and guys
are going old. I got to make sure I continue
to be on my job.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
One of those and wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
The Saints cast off at Parry the the I mean,
he's a huge guy, mostly a long strider, but at
Parry a guy that Broncos has signed to the practice
squad kind of opened some eyes.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
He's got a lot of straight line speed.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Not really what i'd call a quick twitch guy, but
four four five, it's six four, two hundred pounds. He's
you know he, I mean, he's a he's a big
guy and he's uh one of those guys. He's got
a pretty good catch radius when it comes to that
kind of stuff. But it opens the eyes that you're
(30:01):
still charting on wide receivers out there when it feels
like we're not using some of the receivers we have.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Well, once again, let's go back to Devon Vlay. He
was like the bell of the ball when it came
to training camp. Everyone was so excited the way he
moved around and his emergence and his production in training
camp made the team made it easy for the team
to move away from veteran wide receiver Tim Patrick. And
so far the season, you haven't seen Valay due to
(30:31):
injury and with Marvin Mams and Troy Franklin seeing very
few targets. The Broncos have to bring guys in hoping
that maybe it would spark something and some of those
guys who are not getting enough playing time. Because this
is how it works. Guys are on a piece Squeezy.
That's a practice squad for those who don't know. You
(30:54):
can elevate guys and you can demote guys. So this
is another way to get healthy, to bring or in
courage competition. But still we get a chance to get
a peak out some new guys in your and the
guys that you currently have on the roster.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
The peace squeeze no cap.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Yeah, he squeezing no cap.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Stephen Steve would say five six sixty nine zeros a
text line. We've got Nick Cosmider from the Athletic. We're
gonna really look into this Chargers thing when when we
get back. Broncos Country to Night rolls on right here
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