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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Brandick, crystal In Brandon, how you doing this evening.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm doing great, And Grant can vouch for me because
I can almost assure you when you've been out sick,
or if you've been on vacation and I filled in
for you, you're definitely not listening.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
To the show.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Not because you don't love your own show and you
don't want to help your own ratings. But I make
a point when I'm sitting in for you of saying
welcome to it or welcome into it, to keep that consisting.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
So you've you've you've captured my my mannerisms.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Just off the top, because I want I want the
listeners to feel, I wonder you ever, like they're at home,
like they're comfortable.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
That's no, that's good.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
That's honestly, it's a that's a surprising amount of paying
attention to whatever it is that I say, not surprised
if you're just surprising in gentle but it's something that
it's funny bring that up because I was having a
conversation with somebody a couple of days ago about Frank Kellieno,
and now he is. It's not just that he imitates
and gets like the top it's the mannerisms, it's the
speech patterns.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
There's there's multiple things to it.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
There's layers to it, and it's it's fighting those little
things that you can hang your hand like, oh, that's
the impersonation of them. And so it got me to wonder, like,
what things do I do that would be imitated if
someone were doing an imitation of me. I don't know
beyond people that are really close to me, you know

(01:16):
that are friendly that I have no problem making fun
of me, that will certainly try to tell a story
and you know, insert.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Famous athlete, famous celebrity, right, Because.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
I do just tell stories. They happen to sometimes be
colorful or interesting. They aren't inaccurate, and I'm not embellishing.
But so there's that I find myself. And I've done
this probably since junior high or at least high school,
where I'll get into patterns of kind of saying the
same thing over a few months. And the thing that
I've noticed that I'm doing lately, and I've been conscious

(01:48):
of it the last couple of days.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
I've talked to my wife about it the other day,
and I can't swear that I haven't been doing this
a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I just didn't notice it, but it feels like there's
almost an uptick of people as they're talking, saying right
in the middle of there, like hey, the Broncos are
they're just running the ball better than than everybody expected, right,
you know.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
It creates with a moment to you know, to bounce
back and they say leading the witness right right exactly,
that's yeah, that's exactly what. Uh you know, I think
I wonder I have because I start, I'll listen to
myself back and I'm my own harshess critic when it
comes to doing that, which I hate less to myself.
What's the actor who did it was Cali Ret and

(02:29):
Adam Driver who will not watch him because he hates
Charles Barkley.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Is like that too, if he won't watch his own commercials. Yeah,
there's no like that. I hate it.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
It's it's one of those things where I get, but
I do it because I got you know, we got
a criticue selves, right, yeah, and so you know it's
it's it makes me wonder what things, what speech pattern
things I guess would you know as a turn like
right there, I just did that. That's a crutch and
and there's ums and all that kind of stuff. I
just wonder what if somebody were here, you know, to.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Nail it, and I'd be like, oh I do that,
you know, like.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
That whatever the real is, you know, you know what
I'm talking about when you have the roasts and you
see it and somebody's imitating somebody and they're like, oh
my god, I do that, and then you can see them.
You could see them cringe in real time because they
know they do it. So I wonder, I wonder what
that thing is from. By the way, we're special and
honored that you're heading a last minute call from the bullpen.

(03:20):
Yeah out he'll be back tomor though, so good good
cause I do not want to work tomorrow. Now.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
I'm going to the Nuggets opener so I can check
in with you from down there. Though.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
You'll be doing a different kind of crovie at Sam's,
but we'll try to we'll try to get to get
you one and technology, technology still works and things now new.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Hear at Sam doesn't mean we can't talk Big show
to night.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Code or can have joined us in the seven o'clock
hour five six, six nine zeros a text line you
want to get involved in the conversation.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
NBA season tipped off last night.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Did you make it appointment television to see if Bronni
and bron were going to be on the court at
the same time, And of course they were.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
So was playing poker with.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Big Al who if you didn't talk about it on air,
I was happy to let me and.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Ryano off there.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
He won.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
I was there, so I saw him win. I did
not finish in the money, but what are you going
to do? I also only bought in once. He bought
in four times. That was my next question. But he's
still left with the most money too, even if he
spent the most money. But we were watching the ABS, and
then by the time we flipped over to Lakers and
t Wolves because the Celtics were rolling.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
The big moment had already happened.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
And so I'm not as there's people that are really
bothered by it. I'm certainly not bothered by by.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Being atop and I'm not bothered by any of it.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
The Lakers can instruct their team however they want. I
do whatever they want.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
I think it's interesting that he's one of their fifteen
best players right now, in this case, twelve best.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
I feel like he needs to be in the in
the G league.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Here's the thing he will be. I'll say this. I
think he's an NBA caliber defender. I don't think he
belongs anywhere near the offensive.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
And Robert already talked about that this morning.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Dan Patrick, he said on the ball, absolutely, he said
off the ball, he gets lost a little bit too.
As a defenders. He's nineteen years old, and he's also
only six three six four ish playing the all guard spot.
You know, she's probably you know, his body's probably a
little short to where he needs to be for, you know,
to be defending what he is. But anyway, he reminds
me a little bit of I don't know if you
remember Ronnie Brewer, you know, so yeah Jazz, Yeah, he

(05:11):
was you know, I mean, he was that guy who
played defense. He was a twenty five percent shooter who
played great defense. And so that's that's why you you know,
that's why you had him out there, was to try
to give you a little bit of a spark on defense.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Was a little bigger.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
You think about Tony Allen a defense, yeah, and Tony
Allen was six six six seven, right. I can't swear
Brownie's done growing. But you see his little brother Bryce,
and he was court side. It was interesting that Bryce
and Lebron's daughter whose name escapes me, were court side,
and Savannah, his wife and Brownie's mom, was a couple
of rows up. Yeah, I was like, kid, the James

(05:43):
does not get three courts, I'd see you. Well, he
just doesn't want to sit with her feet on the hardwood,
and that could be maybe you would be around certain
people or whatever.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
She she goes to enough games.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
I'm sure she knows where she wants to sit down
to know who else was by her. It's still it's
it's a cool moment.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
I don't care how the Lakers construct their team. They
won the game.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
You're only gonna to really play eight, nine, ten guys
in any given game, and you get into the playoffs
and it's going to be eight or nine if you
get to a tenth.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
But you didn't. It wasn't like appointment viewing for no, No.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
I was.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
I was more just interested.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Honestly, I was surprised yesterday when I realized he wasn't
just headed straight to the G League, but he was
on there opening the roster. I guess some guys are
banged up and that's part of it. He will not
play real minutes. I was more interested in what Dalton connect,
but really then that's the thing, and he looks like
he belongs in the league. He absolutely steal of a pick.
I think that he was rejected in the top five.
We were talking about that yesterday. It was one of

(06:31):
the things during the draft we were live and I
was I was sitting there talking with Grant. I'm like, man,
these dudes are going to mess around and not take
this kid, to let him fall right to the Lakers,
and it's going to be And sure enough, he's got
both the picks they wanted.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
They got Connect and Bronni. And want to say thing
too about Bronni.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
If Bronni being around and in an organization is taking
a job from somebody in theory, but not from a
All Star caliber player.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
If that gives you Lebron who's.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Still playing at an all Star caliber level, legitimately in
an All NBA type player, because Lebron doesn't need to
keep playing.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
He's out in you're twenty two. If that gets Lebron
for twenty two, twenty three, I'm here for it as
a basketball fan, I get Nuggets fans don't want to
see him, or people that don't like Lebron.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
It's sort of like Tom Brady.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
I want him to keep playing because it was just
fun to watch how much winning he did. And Lebron
is the most unique basketball player in so many ways
we've ever seen. Now Wemby may kind of change that too,
but I loved watching Lebron play from the time he
stepped on the court as an eighteen year old to now.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Under Anti Lebron, and I don't care if that's what
the Lakers want to do, that's what they want to do.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
So we get the Broncos news today, pats or Tam
looks like he's treading the right direction, and then Andy
Dalton turning the wrong direction. Obviously, Bryce Young'm gonna be
starting for the Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
That's a good news for Nick Benito chasing that sack
record and really good news for Lebronx.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
How much did the line move I didn't even check
to see if.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
I didn't take a chance to check the to check
the movement on that before the show.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
But you guys think that's a You say, is that
a half point? Does it matter? I mean, they already
said that it does.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
I Meanton was light in the world on fire that
one game, and then after that it was just kind
of you know, and that's I think part of the
reason they're comfortable doing this. He's got the sprain thumb
or whatever from the car wreck, and we're thankful that
his family's okay and all that.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Never ever wish anything on any player injury or any type.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
But uh, as far as Bryce Young goes, does that
I mean, does that move the needle for you at all?

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Because I mean, well, it's it's at ten now, That's
what I was just gonna say. Well it mattered to
Vegas because they're a ten point favorite. Didn't open it?
Did it really open? I thot seven and a half?

Speaker 3 (08:31):
So yeah, I mean it is ten across the board
except that Fan Duels got it at nine and a half.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
But every other book, you know, bet MGM your favorite.
Draft Kings my favorite.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
I don't know if you have a new favorite these days,
but Draft Kings are dog. Draft Kings is my favor. Yeah, underdog,
so let's see underdog. I don't know, they don't do that,
they're not here.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
But I have.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
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Speaker 1 (08:59):
Of them just going down the US. Yeah, so there
you go. Now ten gets more interesting.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
But it feels like the well some of if you've
seen this the Broncos in year two of Sean Payton
and just this, this team in a couple of games
against you know what we think are bad teams, they
have stepped on their neck. Here's handled their business said that.
I mean a Saints were jav team last week.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, and there's no reason to think that the Bronco
was barring catastrophic turnovers, won't won't cover this ten and win.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
You know, thirty to thirteen.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Looks like, yeah, two and a half was the was
the opener on this minus ten. Uh looks like he's
out the I'm looking at uh, I'm looking at Draft
Kings right now.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
They've had They've taken.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Eighty eight one hundred and forty five bets, seventy four
percent of bets, eighty three percent of money on the
Broncos minus ten.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
I just think no one the over runner hasn't moved.
He's stayed at forty one and a half.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
No one right, So everyone's thinking kind of where I was.
I mean, I just said thirty to thirty team without
even thinking about.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
It, is that the Broncos are going to find a
way to win that probably gonna get the defensive score.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
If you're looking for fun anytime TD.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Props, you're always gonna get better off on a defensive score.
Ye know, it's worth throwing a couple nickels on might
be worth Yeah, it might be worth taking a look at.
It's some of that maybe a strips that you know
figured out if you get a strip sack or interception,
stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Mike, the think about this cir Tan thing and the
price young thing.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
It's whatever. I think the Bronk was gonna win either way.
It doesn't really matter to me on that aspect of it.
The thing that I is of interest to me his
patser Tan, even if he's ready to come back, Do
you roll him out there? Because I might give Tomary
Mathis the reps. I think tomorrow Mathis can hit the
reps if you're winning anyway in the third and fourth quarter,
because you are gonna need Tomorry Mathis and maybe you're

(10:33):
gonna even get him.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Some nickel reps for j Kwon just so he's I'm Wallace, like,
if we get up, Levy Walls doesn't need reps. It's
interesting that the next man up in some man thoughts.
I think he's okay with turning kicks and covering hup
and just doing that. Yeah, and just doing that because
that's clearly look, it's a valuable skill.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Uh. I was told on Thursday at.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
The game, but someone that I trust very much that
PS two was already feeling good was really bummed to
not go. And I actually put this on Twitter for
multiple reasons. One, he wants to support his team and
be there, but he felt fine, and he's his family's
originally from Louisiana, so he had forty family members that
were at the game and facetiming him back in Denver.

(11:18):
But had they've played Sunday, he would have been fine Sunday, right,
So the full participant today, we under there's sort of
the two a thing, and that's a much more complex conversation,
but we understand that the independent or I'll just have
these check marks and she's just like anybody that has
a concussion once you were symptom free. We don't know
the long term event. We know it's probably not great,
but we don't know what it is. And so I

(11:40):
think about Tua. He's now cleared. Wes Welker when he
was here, had those two and I remember talking to
West because he had to miss a full month, right,
but that was kind of precautionary, and I was like,
how do you feel. He's like, I'd never felt this
good in December, but he's never missed time in that stretch.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
I get your point about holding them out. They're not
going He's gonna play. Well, yeah, he's gonna play.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
The question is how much you know do you do
you do that you get up, especially you get a
lead early, you know, save a little wear and tear
on the body, Let him get rested up for the
next game, which the next two games Baltimore and Kansas City.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Those guys are really gonna be a little tougher than
Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
You think I would assume so based on how the
Ravens have looked like world beaters after starting oing two,
and the Chiefs have certainly not, but they find a
ways to win the If if the Broncos not only
win Sunday, but find a way to steal and win
in Baltimore case, that's gonna change the way everybody looks
at him.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, but that's a word we're geta jumping in. We
are jumping in.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
But that is I think, I think that is the
frame that the Broncos need going into the second half
of the season. I mean, you gotta close this thing
down this first half. Probably the win over County, you're
probably gonna be them like, you don't want to look ahead,
but you're you're probably gonna be, let's be honest. And
then you've got the guillotine in front of you. You've
got three games against Baltimore, Kansas City, and Atlanta, a
three game 'run sitting in front of you. That is
probably the identity maker for this football team for the

(12:59):
rest of the season.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
The one thing that we've seen the Broncos struggle with
to this point is winning at home, finding ways to
win at home, and winnable games. The Chargers, they obviously
waited until the fourth quarters start playing. I guess I
didn't realize what time the game kicked off. And then
the Steelers. It was kind of ugly all the way around.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
So you saw the decisive win against the Raiders, but
you'd love.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
To see another decisive win. And then you'd like to see.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
When Atlanta comes in here, Justin Simmons is going to
get his flowers and all that.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
I'm as we'll see a quick tribute video of some
sort three time multipate Man of the Year.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Falcons are good, They're not great.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Like I'm not expecting the Falcons to make a lot
of noise in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
They feel like a playoff team.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
It'll be interest to see not only how they handle
the trips to Baltimore in casey, but how they come
out of them. I feel like I feel like Atlanta
may not want another safety Walter Payton Man of the
Year against the Broncos getting the recognition. I mean not
that we have to worry about that with Justin, but
I feel like that that's already happened once before.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
You may not want to the may not want to
go down Carmik Road on that. I don't know if
they have a choice.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
I do know this because I talked to people that
are in the building. Early there was a Sean Payton
tribute video that played in warm up and not warm
ups in pre pre pre warm up.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
That was supposed to play during the game and never
got played. It wasn't good from the jump. It's funny
because when we were leading up to that Saints game,
I talked to some people down there in Orleans and like,
you know, the Broncos may not look at this as anything,
but the Saints fans are not happy with Sean Payton
because we're staring down the barrel of eighty five million
dollars over the cap next year with no flexibility in

(14:35):
these contracts because we used void year.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Deals and ran up the car.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
There's some animosity quit on that team, Yeah, quitting on them.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
He quit.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Things got hard. I get that he was tired, but
it was not going to be an easy lift. Dia
gets his chance. It's not it was going okay.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
It's not gonna end great for Dennis An even though
these injuries aren't really his fault obviously.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
But it's one of those things. There's some animosity in
New Orleans towards Sean Page. Didn't get a first roundback
from the Broncos.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
They did, but I mean, you know, there's there's some
animosity down there about uh about the way that that
all went down.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
We'll get to that. We got some more or some
other items I want to get to. But the Broncos
and Bryce Young and so of that stuff. Kody were
going to join us top of the birthday, buddy, we're
both I did not know. I just learned something. Every day.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
There's a couple of moves as teams are training, the
new Compkins move Kansas City. Will get into that here
when we get back on the other side. You guys
listening to Broncos country tonight right here on k.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
Yeah, I think he's got good vision, quick release. You know,
he shows accuracy, poise. He's played in big moments, you know,
in other words, when you I remember him coming out,
you know he's played in you know, real big moments.
So you know, I think that look at you flip
the focus when you when you when you have a

(15:53):
change in quarterbacks from like one to the other, and
then study it as best you can.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Sean Payton bright s Young there, he's been in big moments. Well,
he certainly has been in big moments, but I think
the biggest moment is about to be returning to the
starting lineup against the Denver Broncos on Sunday. Ryce Young
unceremoniously benched for Andy Dalton when he was performing poorly again.
And I think that the problem for Bryce Young isn't

(16:22):
solely Bryce Young. I mean, there's a there's a culture
issue there in Carolina. A lot of that stems from
from ownership. But they traded away a ton of assets
to go get him and didn't really have anything because
they traded those assets away to be able to fill
back in around him.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
And that's a problem.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
And I don't when you when you when you look
at Carolina, I mean, you know, they traded away all
that stuff to Chicago. You gave away a good receiver,
you gave away draft picks, and you wonder how you're
not able to build around successfully the guy. And it's
exacerbated by the fact that the guy taken right after

(17:03):
you with C. J.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Stroud. And you heard me say it.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
I can't remember exactly where you fell down, but I'd
certainly like Stroud more than.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
More than Bryce Young.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
But I like Stroud the most in the draft, especially
with what we saw in the bowl game against George.
I'm like, Okay, he's got a little more. I didn't
expect him to do what he did. I just liked
him more than Bryce Young. Quarterbacks of that size unless
you run like Kyler Murray, and he doesn't. Bryce never
moves fine, but he kind of runs like votnit like
that level of speed.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
He's not.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
We saw what Kyler Murray's top year is, and it's
if we're having quarterbacks race, he and Lamar Jackson are
probably finishing one and two.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
In the league.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Maybe jayde Daniels now is right there, But I was
saying Kyler Murray is Kyler Murray is a good.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
When he's the best athlete on the field.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah. Oh, and Bryce Young is a good athlete, but
he's when he's on the field, He's not the best
athlete on the field.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
No, And he's he's slight. He well, I mean his measurables.
Did he measure it five? Did he measure it six?

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Feed? I don't think he got the sign No. No,
he was like five to nine, Which is funny. Kyler
Murray measured at five ten or whatever. He's shorter than
I am, and I'm five to ten.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Well, I don't know if you're five to ten anytoy
either way, maybe five to eleven. I'm just saying when
I stood next to him in Atlanta as he was
going out.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
I was like, he looks five to ten. Uh, Conorray
looked exactly five ten to me, that's what he measured.
You know, he measured it to combine. But I think
they measured on top of the hair or something, because
I was like, man, there's no way like me. Yeah, yeah,
six nine. Yeah, the rice measured at five ten. But
I'm like, yeah, I'm like, come on, man, I.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Mean I stood next to you guy, you're shorter than me.
They blew that pick. They blew the pick.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
And not only that, it also allowed the Bears to
get Caleb Williams and yeah, and then you had Dj
More that they traded as well as it was in
all that and Carolina has a history and a problem
with trading away the good players.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Brian Burns is now one of.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Was he just not going to resign a long term dealer?
They just didn't want to invest Burns. Yeah, they wouldn't
resign with them. Yeah, I mean you couldn't franchise that
kind of stuff. But yeah, but I mean you you
traded you know Dj Moore at a boatload of draft picks.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
What were you going to build a Brown? Bryce Young
to begin with, grated McCaffrey before that, right, what I mean,
what were you gonna do? Like? What what are you
building around the guys? So that's that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
They keep peeling off these pieces because nobody wants.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
To be there.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
And at the end of the day, you're like, wait
a minute, what what are you putting around this kid
who clearly needs help around him?

Speaker 1 (19:18):
And then there's no continuity in the coaching staff.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
He went from Matt Rule to Frank Reich to now
Dave Canalis uh and you know, in a matter of months,
and so it's it's just, you know, it's just it's
just a frustrating situation for players there in Carolina. As
you know, there's just so much turnover, there's nothing ever established,

(19:42):
and they just can't seem to get the right pieces
into surround the guys they want. Is there anything to
the Garo Avero revenge angle at all? Josie Jewel, I mean,
he's thinged up, But is there is there anything to
the the Avero angle at all? Or is this just
you know, he he knows some of the personnel I
asked Courtland Sutton about that today.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Though he has.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
A feel for how Jarro's going to call the defense
and they're bringing a knife to a gunfight. Brian Burns
was traded, Jeremy Chin doesn't play there anymore. Derek Brown
I believe is out for the year, Josie Jewels banged up,
and so they may not be as JV as the
Saints look the other night with the guys they had
on the field and the guys they were missing, Because

(20:26):
you do have Deontay Johnson healthy, you have Chuba Hubbard.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Do we know where Brooks is he? They haven't even
opened his window yet. They're supposed to be. Yeah, he's
supposed to be the windows open. He's supposed to go
back here soon. So well, either way, you.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Know, it's a kid coming onto the field for the
first time as a rookie, but taking on the defensive
side of the ball. Amaro can have all the revenge
in his mind that he wants, and doesn't mean he
can't get creative against bo Nicks. I do think Jiro's
a heck of a coach and likely still has a
head coaching opportunity in his future.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Although the Luster has probably come off when you look
at this season.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
And I know this, I know that Sean Payton wanted
to hire him here, wanted him to stay.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
His best friend got fired, they.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Let him out of the deal, and so obviously still
worked out well for the Broncos with VJ coming back.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
I also know for a fact that.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
With with Frank Wright getting fired, e Jarro had interest
from other teams last year, yep, and Dave Canalis made
him honorous contract and stay there, and.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
So he's there for the second year of a two
year deal. Those are almost always two year deals. I know.
I've heard a couple of times where a.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Coordinator gets a three year deal, but the revenging go
was only in each so far. If you're bringing a
knife to a gunfight, and I just don't think that
it's going to matter unless the Broncos shoot themselves in
the foot, I just don't I something you can do
enough to affect the game with the personnel they have.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's sort of the thing.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
I mean, you look at Carolina already wasn't a world
beater before, even at full health, and they're pretty banged
up on top. It's not like the Saints, who were good,
you know, when they were fully healthy.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Carolina was frankly bad.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Look to also made their snake of draft and jac
Horne had to pass her his hands.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, and it's I mean, this isn't a one year thing.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
This is you go back and you look at the
it's just been bad, like the top to bottom. And
I think you've got the right guys in there. Now
You've got what's his name, Dan Morgan? Uh Now, it's
a general manager is a form of player you've You've
got Canalys, who I'm a big fan of and known
for a few years and you know, really like and
I think if they can if they can stick with
that enough, you know a couple of years that they'll

(22:24):
they'll have something there. But right now you're in the
throes of the bottom of the barrel portion of the rebuild.
I totally forgot that jadebian Clowney one is still in
the league and then two is on Carolina, And I
don't know if there's been a more disappointing player in
recent years that didn't do anything off the field to
be disappointing.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Because you can go back to like.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
The Smith kid from the Niners that couldn't couldn't stay
out of his own way.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
The past rush of ald Smith Alden Smith. It was
substance issues. We get that. Uh uh, other guys have
gotten hurt.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Jadevion Clowney who And I understand you make a crazy
play in a bowl game, but he was the tools
are there and it just it just it's never really well.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
He never had a double digit sacks. He's as a
matter of fact, nine and a half sacks. Last year
was arguably his best year with Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, and it helped that he was on a really
good defense, but he also but yeah, you still got
to get to Gorbeck.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
It makes those plays. Jadevion Kloin's not scaring you. Sean
Robinson was, he wasn't here. First round pick a couple
of years ago, remember.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Round pick out. Yeah, but we're done giving you the
names of people that might scare you.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
J C.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Horn, yes, was a top ten pick. He's picked one
pick ahead of Patser Tan And.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
We obviously know Josie Jewel, but Josie Jewels also not
scaring anyone.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Well, I mean you got yeah, and then Thomas that
we know as well. On the on the edge I've
got they've got in comets, They've got Jonathan Harris, who Williams.
There's a couple of names that you know, as far
as that kind of stuff goes. But the reality is
this is an under talented football team that uh is
struggling living, to to put it lightly, and there's not

(24:09):
the end isn't anywhere in sight. I mean, Andy Dalton
is not the future, no matter what you think. Now,
Bryce Young, you know, we'll see he hasn't done a
touchdown this year.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
He's two games, had no touchdowns, three interceptions.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Uh. And then the only other quarterback they even have
on the practice squad is Jack Plumber, who was in
no danger of threatening anybody at this point and certainly
didn't even look a good enough during the preseason to
warrant making the roster.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yeah, as you look at the roster.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
You heard the other day, I think that Miles Sanders
is a potentially available in a trade. We'll see, does
Philly bring him back? Is there a team that makes sense.
I guess Philly doesn't really need him right now. Chuba Hubbard,
I think is a nice second back. They're not very
likely going to see Jonathan Brooks and so then you
have Deontay Johnson, who when he's good, can be really good,
Xavier Lyguett Mingo certainly and Mingo three old receivers they

(24:56):
can grow like those guys are okay, But there's just
nothing here.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
That scares anybody.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
No, And even if Dan Morgan starts to figure it out,
will it happen in enough time where Bryce Young can
develop with these guys or as their title be there
next year and so he's not there, So then you've
wasted two drafts. And the good thing is it hurts
more on paper than it really does in real life
with draft picks, using one early on a quarterback and

(25:24):
it not working out.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
But it still stings to know that you're gonna be
right back in this market again. And we don't know
if Dave Canalis is a is a good coach. I'm
not saying that he doesn't have a good pedigree.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
We just may not know.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Until he leaves Carolina unless this roster has some crazy
turnover and or they hit on this draft class when
they're all healthy, and the next draft class he look
at guys that are hurt too, So you do have
Jack Thompson's also hurt to go with Derek Brown. So
they're not They're not healthy and it shows and they,
like you said, they weren't that good even when they
were healthy.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah, we don't know what Dave canally says. We do
know what Dave O'Brian is, though. Let's go out and
check traffic. The Kansas City Chiefs acquired Nuke Hopkins. Again,
I did not realize he was. I told this to
you guys off there.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
I'd said it on Twitter when Chris Harris commented that
Chris's comment was certain and Moss still going to strap
him up, It's like, well, I think Chris Harris can
strap up Nuke Hopkins right now. I do think he'll
be a threat in the red zone and on third
and short. But I had totally forgotten he was in
the NFL because I did have him on zero of
my eight fantasy teams, and I don't think I played

(26:35):
again like to where I saw him in the score
against me.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
I'm not saying I didn't like Grant that he's on
one of his rosters, but I knew who that benefits
the most. I think he's Travis Kelce because Travis Kelsey's
usually that sauce spot in the zone underneath guy, and
it's probably gonna be Nuke now. And as Nuke pulls
coverages away, Kelsey will get one on ones that.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
He can because Kelse has clearly lost a step. I mean,
we've seen it.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
He still has the capability to be, you know, explosive
and a decent receiver at times, but he's clearly lost
a step from prime Travis Kelcey.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
But they're they're at least early on. I remember seeing
someone's breakdown. He's been open, he is getting open, and
Patrick hadn't seen it. Patrick Hasson looked great. It's certainly affected.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
It's good. More more inceptions and touchdowns right now.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Right he goes from Will Levis to the guy who's
leading the NFL in interceptions. Yeah, I didn't realize this though.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Last year.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
One hundred or seventy five catches, one thousand and fifty
seven yards and seven scores. Languishing away in Tennessee, Hopkins
has seventy nine touchdowns, but he had a stretch so
starting in twenty fourteen, and his quarterbacks obviously changed a
couple times in there, but starting in.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Twenty fourteen through twenty twenty, seventy.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Six catches twelve hundred yards six scores, one hundred and
eleven catches, fifteen hundred yards eleven scores, seventy eight for
nine to fifty four four scores, ninety.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Six thirteen touchdowns with thirteen hundred yards that year, one
hundred and fifteen catches, fifteen seventy two eleven touchdowns, one
hundred and four catches eleven sixty five, seven touchdowns, and
then his first year with Arizona one fifteen fourteen oh
seven six touchdowns, and even that second year where his
numbers were way down, he's still had eight touchdowns. He's

(28:07):
just productive and in the right situation, which is very
well maybe looking with the sun for Juju and his effectiveness.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, and that's the thing. I mean, it wasn't you know,
Hopkins had a.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Pretty good year last year of tw thousand and fifty
seven yards in the seven touchdowns. He just you know,
this year he had Will Levis in there. It was
just it just wasn't good. And a lot of what
Hopkins does is predicated on the quarterback throwing in the football.
I mean, the receivers obviously a dependent position, but his
is really dependent on you know, the quarterback just squeezing
the ball out there, putting the ball out, let him
make a play on it. If I'm Brian Callahan and

(28:42):
which by the way, they're blowing that thing up. I
mean they made several trains. They just keep peeling. They're like, Okay,
we're not gonna be competitive this year. We're blowing this
thing up.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
So I'm if I'm Kelli the coach and Ran Carthon,
the one thing I am doing is calling Calvin Ridley like, Hey,
you're gonna have less room to complain now, get open
the three D in ball and if not, we'll move
on from you too.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Right, well, yeah, we'll find you in new home as well.
And that's sort of the thing.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
It's interesting because Tennessee it was fascinating to watch them
this offseason is they were kind of loading up.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
They made a big offer to Justin Simmons.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
They were trying to get Justin to come out there,
and I guess he didn't believe that they were gonna
be contenders, right, Yeah, I went to went to a
better home for him anyway in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
But it's it's it's fascinating to.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Sort of see how they thought they were going to
be contenders, and now here you are midway through the season, like,
you know what, no cost fallacy, We're just cutting bait
on this and we'll build it.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Up the way we want it.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
I have been surprised that Tony Pollard's effectiveness. And yet
another reason you look and say not because the Cowboys
don't remember realize to keep him. But the Derrick Henry thing,
and I don't get too far down a Cowboys tangent.
The fact that a guy who lives in Dallas, which
is where Derrick Henry lives in the off season, the
has for a while and he would have happily at

(29:51):
least entertained an.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Offer from the Cowboys. They couldn't go up with six
and a half million dollars. It's that, to me, is.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
The worst move Jerry Jones has ever made, worse than
firing Jimmy Johnson.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Well, there's there's a lot going on there right now,
and it feels like they keep trying to put band
aids on bullet holes in Dallas. They're gonna scrap, They're
gonna blow the thing up this year when they get
rid of the coaching staff and uh, bringing Bill Belichick.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Bill Belichick and there's a story today that again him R.
J o'choa had about all these players have now moved
on complaining about the tours coming through the Star and
you're working out and you've got people banging on the glass,
and you're walking from one meeting to another or from
the locker room to a meeting, and there's tours going

(30:34):
on and it's a spectacle, and you understand some of that.
Belichick will also understand someone like Jerry's not gonna stop
going on the radio every week. It's will he let
him handle the football stuff and shut things down that Jerry. Otherwise,
Jerry lets you shoot all of practice. If you're there
at training camp, whether you're media or fans, get those
phones out. Yeah, Jerry loves the spectacle.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Bill doesn't.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
That's gonna be a that'll be a fun thing if
and when Alichick I'm thinking hard about Philly too, though,
if that job opens up, Yeah, I think you do
have to think kind of hard about that.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
When there's a couple of jobs that come up.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
It'd be interesting to see raybel and some of these
other guys if they get offers as what we're gonna get
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