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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Going right off to the kwait Common Spirit Health hotline
and bring our guy Mike Kay at Mike Underscore e
underscore k on Twitter. I refuse to call it x
covers the Panthers for the Charlotte Observer, Mike, how you doing.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'm well, how's it going? Guys?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Going pretty well? Uh. I'm trying to think of the
nicest way to say this. The Broncos have circled this
game as a.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Very wittable game, and the Broncos are not exactly a
team anybody's sitting here calling a Super Bowl favorite. Why
should the Broncos be worried about the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I struggled to think of a reason, to be honest
with you. They have an injury report that has eighteen
statuses on it, and ten of those are outer doubtful.
They're starting Bryce Young, who has looked futurd in this
first few games this season. They benched him. They've openly
said that any Dalton gives them a better chance to win.
(00:52):
I guess if you want to look for one threat,
it's the Chuba Hubbard Express just running through that defensive front.
But even then, I don't know if it'll be enough So.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
When you look at the fact that there are a
couple of players, Deionta Johnson he's not playing, and now
you can have the conversation on whether that is because
the team is protecting Johnson or they're looking to trade him.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
But no Adam Thielaz. So where does the offense come from?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
You mentioned Trooper Hubbard, but it's got to be a
little more offense than that if you're gonna play against
the differ Broncos.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Here Lea Get the first round pick, started to bloss
him a little bit over the last month or so.
He had a rough game against the Commanders, but they
like what he's able to do in the open field.
He's going to jump all threat. He's a big body.
Jatavian Sanders, the tight end from Texas. He started to
kind of developed into a possession weapon. Miles Sanders is
(01:47):
a guy who has kind of been forgotten about, but
he can make plays in the passing game like there
are weapons. But this is not going to be the
Kansas City Chiefs. This is not going to be the
Detroit Lions, is not gonna be the Philadelphia Eagles. This
is going to be a team that is struggling, not
to go in last place in the NFC.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Talking to Mike Kay from the show Observer, Mike, how's
my guy Dave doing out there?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Canal has taken over as a head coach.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Now, you guys have been through a few coaches, you know,
fairly recently. How has Dave Canal's adjusting to it? What
does it look like under him in terms of trajectory?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Well, I think he's learning, right. I think this is
a situation where he comes in after one year of
being and OC, and now he's the head coach, the
offensive coordinator, the quarterback coach, and the spirit leader all
in one. I mean, it's a lot to take on.
He's kind of taking it head on, and I think, look,
this has been a humbling experience the first seven weeks,
(02:44):
especially for a guy who's incredibly positive. But I think
he's trying to see it through. I think he's in
sync with the front office, which was something that I
think the previous regime kind of lacked. And you know,
I mean, I think he's trying to developed. I think
he's in a similar boat to when you have a
rookie quarterback and he's just kind of learning the job
(03:05):
as he.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Goes when you look at the Denver Broncos from from
your side and you look at the offense, because the
offense has been struggling until that Thursday night game, how
do you guys in Carolina look at bo Nicks in
the offense.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I think, similar to my point of how Dave tanell
Is is, goo Nicks has upside. He's athletic, He's got
great traits, but he's still learning. He's kind of like
when you see like a birthing video of a giraffe,
right like, he's kind of moving around. He's he's athletic,
(03:42):
he can do certain things, but it's not all there yet.
And I think, you know, for Igiro Everro, it's an
opportunity to kind of take advantage of the fact that
you have a bunch of no name personnel who haven't
really been able to you haven't been able to study
if you're an opposing team, and maybe he creates the
plan that can stop.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Nick Tylan, Mike kay Hell the Charlotte Observer, Mike, as
we look at the Panthers, you guys also have a
zero lvero there on the defensive side.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Got some interviews this past cycle. It had been trending
upwards for him.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
But you look at the defense each year, and of
course a lot of that can be attributed to attrition
and injury and all that. But the shine seems to
have come off of Gero rivera a little bit. What
is that the case there locally or is that just
a national maybe misperception.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Well, I think there's a little bit of that, but
I would also say the contact is key with this.
So the Panthers doubled down on their investment in Bryce
Young by going heavy and off in some free agency,
which then let the neglect on defense. Bry Burns sustamously
traded Frankie Louvu sided elsewhere even though they wanted to
have him back. They brought in guys that he was
(04:53):
familiar with, and Josie Jewell and Damestin, Sorry Josie Jewell,
Nick Scott, Jordan Fuller, Sean and I mean those guys
have all been banged up throughout this first half. I
mean Jenavian Clowney, Dame Jackson, DJ Wadham, three guys they
brought in we didn't have familiarity with the system have
(05:13):
also been banged up. This is a papers in starting
defense to begin with. But when you lose guys like
Derek Brown in Game one and Shaq Thompson in Game three,
and Josie Jules out for three games, Jenaman Clowney's out
for two, and the list goes on and on. It's
kind of hard when you've got a bunch of guys
who are probably better off on practice squads than in
(05:36):
starting line up.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
So the Broncos from the running back standpoint, they are
trying to rebuild that room. But there is someone that
is familiar with that North Carolina area, and that's Jellil McLoughlin.
And Jeli reminds me of Darren Spros when I played
against Sean Payton's New Orleans Saints No One. As though
(05:59):
there's the Alan, the Panthers are coming in and looking
at that connection, hometown connection. What have you seen from
Jelem McLoughlin that might have impressed you.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I mean, he is fast. I agree with the Sprolls take.
I mean I covered Darren in Philadelphia even when he
was in his mid thirties, and it's still the quickest
guy on the field. Look, I think he likes to
get out in space. I think he's a threat between
the tackles. Outside the tackles, can catch the ball cleanly.
I think he's got that underdog kind of grit to
(06:31):
him too. I mean, this is the guy who in
middle school was sleeping in his mom's sports focus, was
under noticed as a as a high school college recruit,
then when undrafted, and I think he is a really
good compliment to Javonte Williams. Oh and, by the way,
the Panthers can't stop the run. To say their lives,
It's been the crux of Everro's two seasons in Charlotte,
(06:55):
and I just I think and Williams are gonna have
a big game on it.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Well, I'll talk with Mike Key again for the Charlotte's.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
The problem there is that you have an unused object
against a very movable force in that Sean Payton, for
whatever reason, sees that running wins football games for this
Denver Broncos team and then proceeds to try to have
Bonnicks throw forty five passes instead at or around the
line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I'd be right there with you if I had any
confidence this team would stick with a run.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
One of the three best teams in terms of success
rate when they run the football, they just don't do it.
What is the outside perception of the Denver Broncos as
a football team, in this coaching staff specifically, I.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Mean, I think it's an up and comer. I mean,
I think Sean Payton has a lot of respect, at
least from the NFCS out where he won a Super Bowl,
was pretty successful in playoff appearances, and has a long history.
He remember there were rumors about him having interest in
the Panther's job, and I will tell you fans were
excited about that potential. I think from a Rockster standpoint,
(07:59):
I think it's a misdling depth chart, But I think
coach good coaching and stand out guys like McLaughlin who's
developing really well, helps the kind of perception of Litten.
This AFC West is somewhat wide open, the AfD is
somewhat wide open in the playoff picture. They can make
a run.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
With everything that's happening with the Carolina Panthers. And I
don't want to call it dysfunctional, but when you look
at four straight losses in a row and they're averaging
from a defensive standpoint, and it may not just be
all defensively, but they're giving up at least thirty points.
What's the hope and what's the game the Panthers are
hoping to achieve on Sunday Because in any given game
(08:42):
there's a possibility that you can win. But you're trying
to walk away from a coach's standpoint and say, okay,
well we can hang our hat on this. And if
there was one thing, what if anything? Cause the Panthers
say that they can hang their hat on.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, I mean to go back also say the ANFC
West is wide open. I mean, the three teams under
the Chiefs excuse me to get the playoffs. But what
I would say is, look, if Panthers have been outscored
one seventy to ninety seven in their last five games,
they've lost four straight, they haven't looked competent. I mean,
I think competent football. Look, sometimes these are just better.
(09:19):
Is kind of like the bar, right. I mean, I
think you want to see Bryce Young do some good
things after being benched for five weeks. I think you
want to see the defense be able to actually tackle.
For one. I think if you can see some development
within the system, within some guys who are lower on
the depth chart, I think that's a win. For them,
But this is going to be a tough matchup for them.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Is Bryce Young going to be a Carolina Panther next
year the.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Way it's trendy, No, I just don't. I don't see
a road to where this is redeemable because if you
look at it, Monday, Sunday and Monday. I know, Ben,
I know you follow this Sunday and Monday. They have
can Alan said this is about Andy Dalton is the
up playing the Broncos. He has routinely said that Eddie
Dalton gives them their best chance to win as well.
(10:07):
They've lost four straight. What does that say about right show?
And I think he wouldn't have been able to make
Brychion wouldn't be playing this week if Eddie Dolton didn't
get into a minor car accident and hurt his throwing
some like. That's the reality of the situation. They have
a few more winnable games or a competitive games left
on their schedule before the bye week, and then after
that it is a murderer's row of playoff defenders. I
(10:30):
just don't know if Rice doesn't get back on the
field after this game where he is still equipped, how
he comes back for them.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, that's that's the thing. And then I wonder, you
know where he goes for the rehabilitation. I guess we'll see,
uh you know how that how that works out, how
it works out for the Panthers. Mike, look forward to
seeing you up in the press box this weekend. I
appreciate you, Bud, thanks for having guys. Yep, Mike Case
Charlotte Observer
Going right off to the kwait Common Spirit Health hotline
and bring our guy Mike Kay at Mike Underscore e
underscore k on Twitter. I refuse to call it x
covers the Panthers for the Charlotte Observer, Mike, how you doing.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'm well, how's it going? Guys?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Going pretty well? Uh. I'm trying to think of the
nicest way to say this. The Broncos have circled this
game as a.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Very wittable game, and the Broncos are not exactly a
team anybody's sitting here calling a Super Bowl favorite. Why
should the Broncos be worried about the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I struggled to think of a reason, to be honest
with you. They have an injury report that has eighteen
statuses on it, and ten of those are outer doubtful.
They're starting Bryce Young, who has looked futurd in this
first few games this season. They benched him. They've openly
said that any Dalton gives them a better chance to win.
(00:52):
I guess if you want to look for one threat,
it's the Chuba Hubbard Express just running through that defensive front.
But even then, I don't know if it'll be enough So.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
When you look at the fact that there are a
couple of players, Deionta Johnson he's not playing, and now
you can have the conversation on whether that is because
the team is protecting Johnson or they're looking to trade him.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
But no Adam Thielaz. So where does the offense come from?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
You mentioned Trooper Hubbard, but it's got to be a
little more offense than that if you're gonna play against
the differ Broncos.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Here Lea Get the first round pick, started to bloss
him a little bit over the last month or so.
He had a rough game against the Commanders, but they
like what he's able to do in the open field.
He's going to jump all threat. He's a big body.
Jatavian Sanders, the tight end from Texas. He started to
kind of developed into a possession weapon. Miles Sanders is
(01:47):
a guy who has kind of been forgotten about, but
he can make plays in the passing game like there
are weapons. But this is not going to be the
Kansas City Chiefs. This is not going to be the
Detroit Lions, is not gonna be the Philadelphia Eagles. This
is going to be a team that is struggling, not
to go in last place in the NFC.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Talking to Mike Kay from the show Observer, Mike, how's
my guy Dave doing out there?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Canal has taken over as a head coach.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Now, you guys have been through a few coaches, you know,
fairly recently. How has Dave Canal's adjusting to it? What
does it look like under him in terms of trajectory?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Well, I think he's learning, right. I think this is
a situation where he comes in after one year of
being and OC, and now he's the head coach, the
offensive coordinator, the quarterback coach, and the spirit leader all
in one. I mean, it's a lot to take on.
He's kind of taking it head on, and I think, look,
this has been a humbling experience the first seven weeks,
(02:44):
especially for a guy who's incredibly positive. But I think
he's trying to see it through. I think he's in
sync with the front office, which was something that I
think the previous regime kind of lacked. And you know,
I mean, I think he's trying to developed. I think
he's in a similar boat to when you have a
rookie quarterback and he's just kind of learning the job
(03:05):
as he.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Goes when you look at the Denver Broncos from from
your side and you look at the offense, because the
offense has been struggling until that Thursday night game, how
do you guys in Carolina look at bo Nicks in
the offense.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I think, similar to my point of how Dave tanell
Is is, goo Nicks has upside. He's athletic, He's got
great traits, but he's still learning. He's kind of like
when you see like a birthing video of a giraffe,
right like, he's kind of moving around. He's he's athletic,
(03:42):
he can do certain things, but it's not all there yet.
And I think, you know, for Igiro Everro, it's an
opportunity to kind of take advantage of the fact that
you have a bunch of no name personnel who haven't
really been able to you haven't been able to study
if you're an opposing team, and maybe he creates the
plan that can stop.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Nick Tylan, Mike kay Hell the Charlotte Observer, Mike, as
we look at the Panthers, you guys also have a
zero lvero there on the defensive side.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Got some interviews this past cycle. It had been trending
upwards for him.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
But you look at the defense each year, and of
course a lot of that can be attributed to attrition
and injury and all that. But the shine seems to
have come off of Gero rivera a little bit. What
is that the case there locally or is that just
a national maybe misperception.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Well, I think there's a little bit of that, but
I would also say the contact is key with this.
So the Panthers doubled down on their investment in Bryce
Young by going heavy and off in some free agency,
which then let the neglect on defense. Bry Burns sustamously
traded Frankie Louvu sided elsewhere even though they wanted to
have him back. They brought in guys that he was
(04:53):
familiar with, and Josie Jewell and Damestin, Sorry Josie Jewell,
Nick Scott, Jordan Fuller, Sean and I mean those guys
have all been banged up throughout this first half. I
mean Jenavian Clowney, Dame Jackson, DJ Wadham, three guys they
brought in we didn't have familiarity with the system have
(05:13):
also been banged up. This is a papers in starting
defense to begin with. But when you lose guys like
Derek Brown in Game one and Shaq Thompson in Game three,
and Josie Jules out for three games, Jenaman Clowney's out
for two, and the list goes on and on. It's
kind of hard when you've got a bunch of guys
who are probably better off on practice squads than in
(05:36):
starting line up.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
So the Broncos from the running back standpoint, they are
trying to rebuild that room. But there is someone that
is familiar with that North Carolina area, and that's Jellil McLoughlin.
And Jeli reminds me of Darren Spros when I played
against Sean Payton's New Orleans Saints No One. As though
(05:59):
there's the Alan, the Panthers are coming in and looking
at that connection, hometown connection. What have you seen from
Jelem McLoughlin that might have impressed you.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I mean, he is fast. I agree with the Sprolls take.
I mean I covered Darren in Philadelphia even when he
was in his mid thirties, and it's still the quickest
guy on the field. Look, I think he likes to
get out in space. I think he's a threat between
the tackles. Outside the tackles, can catch the ball cleanly.
I think he's got that underdog kind of grit to
(06:31):
him too. I mean, this is the guy who in
middle school was sleeping in his mom's sports focus, was
under noticed as a as a high school college recruit,
then when undrafted, and I think he is a really
good compliment to Javonte Williams. Oh and, by the way,
the Panthers can't stop the run. To say their lives,
It's been the crux of Everro's two seasons in Charlotte,
(06:55):
and I just I think and Williams are gonna have
a big game on it.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Well, I'll talk with Mike Key again for the Charlotte's.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
The problem there is that you have an unused object
against a very movable force in that Sean Payton, for
whatever reason, sees that running wins football games for this
Denver Broncos team and then proceeds to try to have
Bonnicks throw forty five passes instead at or around the
line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I'd be right there with you if I had any
confidence this team would stick with a run.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
One of the three best teams in terms of success
rate when they run the football, they just don't do it.
What is the outside perception of the Denver Broncos as
a football team, in this coaching staff specifically, I.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Mean, I think it's an up and comer. I mean,
I think Sean Payton has a lot of respect, at
least from the NFCS out where he won a Super Bowl,
was pretty successful in playoff appearances, and has a long history.
He remember there were rumors about him having interest in
the Panther's job, and I will tell you fans were
excited about that potential. I think from a Rockster standpoint,
(07:59):
I think it's a misdling depth chart, But I think
coach good coaching and stand out guys like McLaughlin who's
developing really well, helps the kind of perception of Litten.
This AFC West is somewhat wide open, the AfD is
somewhat wide open in the playoff picture. They can make
a run.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
With everything that's happening with the Carolina Panthers. And I
don't want to call it dysfunctional, but when you look
at four straight losses in a row and they're averaging
from a defensive standpoint, and it may not just be
all defensively, but they're giving up at least thirty points.
What's the hope and what's the game the Panthers are
hoping to achieve on Sunday Because in any given game
(08:42):
there's a possibility that you can win. But you're trying
to walk away from a coach's standpoint and say, okay,
well we can hang our hat on this. And if
there was one thing, what if anything? Cause the Panthers
say that they can hang their hat on.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, I mean to go back also say the ANFC
West is wide open. I mean, the three teams under
the Chiefs excuse me to get the playoffs. But what
I would say is, look, if Panthers have been outscored
one seventy to ninety seven in their last five games,
they've lost four straight, they haven't looked competent. I mean,
I think competent football. Look, sometimes these are just better.
(09:19):
Is kind of like the bar, right. I mean, I
think you want to see Bryce Young do some good
things after being benched for five weeks. I think you
want to see the defense be able to actually tackle.
For one. I think if you can see some development
within the system, within some guys who are lower on
the depth chart, I think that's a win. For them,
But this is going to be a tough matchup for them.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Is Bryce Young going to be a Carolina Panther next
year the.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Way it's trendy, No, I just don't. I don't see
a road to where this is redeemable because if you
look at it, Monday, Sunday and Monday. I know, Ben,
I know you follow this Sunday and Monday. They have
can Alan said this is about Andy Dalton is the
up playing the Broncos. He has routinely said that Eddie
Dalton gives them their best chance to win as well.
(10:07):
They've lost four straight. What does that say about right show?
And I think he wouldn't have been able to make
Brychion wouldn't be playing this week if Eddie Dolton didn't
get into a minor car accident and hurt his throwing
some like. That's the reality of the situation. They have
a few more winnable games or a competitive games left
on their schedule before the bye week, and then after
that it is a murderer's row of playoff defenders. I
(10:30):
just don't know if Rice doesn't get back on the
field after this game where he is still equipped, how
he comes back for them.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, that's that's the thing. And then I wonder, you
know where he goes for the rehabilitation. I guess we'll see,
uh you know how that how that works out, how
it works out for the Panthers. Mike, look forward to
seeing you up in the press box this weekend. I
appreciate you, Bud, thanks for having guys. Yep, Mike Case
Charlotte Observer
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