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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome into it, Broncos Country Tonight, Benjamin all Right, Nick
Ferguson here with you, Shandon Scott producing, Grant Smith back
admission control. I think that's Nick Ferguson. I can't really
tell unto the costume here. Nick has decided to fully
embrace Halloween and looks like if Uncle Rufus was a
doc worker going on here. I don't even know, like,
what is this costume that you're wearing here?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
What costume are you referring?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
The mask with the giant white mustache and hilariously bushy eyebrows.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Man, Listen, it is Halloween. I embraced the holiday and
this is one of those days where you can do
off the cuff things that you wouldn't ordinally be to
doing doing the year.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Before we came on, I think Alpha Williams and Ryan
ed Was they didn't find my little Facehoe expenditures to
their delight.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I don't know what they're missing out here. I think
it's hilarious. I think it's great. You look like the
black Swedish chef. I can get some Chris Morgan organ
Orgie Morgan, there will be good. It's it's this is
like I don't even know how to describe this thing.
I'm gonna have to take a picture put it up
on Twitter at some point so you can see exactly
what it is I'm talking about. I I too came
in costume as the handsomest man alive, and so you know,
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they just make it basically, wore my regular clothes and
regular face didn't expire.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Even with that being said, how is it those who
were somewhat not delighted by my costume but didn't really
say anything about you?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I don't know, you know, I mean, I guess they're
so used to just being the handsomest man alive. Okay,
And I think that's a good word. Five six six
text A big show tonight. We got Ryan Michael going
to join us seven thirty five, Park Gabriel gonna join
us at eight o five. Got a lot of stuff
to get to Carolin Panthers trade d'atae Johnson today saw
that going to Baltimore for a swap of a fifth
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sixth Uh there, but you know he will be eligible
for the compet story formula, which makes sense Baltimore. Generally,
he doesn't trade for people on expiring deals unless they're
they're eligible for the compet story formula. I you know,
I thought, uh, last night's World Series kind of looked
like the Yankees are kind of getting run. Buddy, I
had picture Yankees last night. Picked them again to night.
We'll see you know what.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
It is funny and this has kind of been the
storyline for the Yankees over the past couple of years.
They do well during the regular season, and then once
they get to this particular point, their bats kind of
go to sleep. It's almost like they need Joe bu.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
You slightly resemble right now with this costume. Getting back
to the things that matter.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, So, I mean Aaron Judge, I mean, we know
during the regular season he is a definitely slugger, but
he really hasn't been that guy in this particular series.
And I need the Yankees to at least win one
because when you look at the Dodgers, man, it's it's
historic on both sides. But this is why, once again
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that the Rockies are in a very difficult ballpark, because
the Dodgers are not going to go anywhere. They always
find from a measurement standpoint, to bring players into the
foe and then get the most out of players. And
when you look at these two teams. Payrolls are out
of the roof, and this is something that maybe you
have to do. But I was telling Ryan Evers the
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other night the guy that sticks in my crawl for
the Dodgers Freddy freaking Freeman, I mean the other okay,
last night, Well the other night, he started off in
the first in a getting the Dodgers up by two runs.
The game before that, he hits a Grand Slam. And
the one thing about Freddy Freeman is that you may
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not think of Freddy Freeman as a household name, but
he finds a way in those key moments. He's one
of those moments players who I mean, in that particular situation,
he's gonna come up with a basin, a double, or
even a Grand Slam. So for me being a Yankees fan,
I'm not liking Freddy.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Freeman right now. His clutch rating has to be at
ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
You know what, is there such a thing on the
video game?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Because I don't know, show or whatever, it's a club
the clutch rating. So like when you were in certain
situations they perform better.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Well, right now, I would have to say that Freddy
Freeman is living at maybe a hundred right now because
he is destroying the Yankees by himself. But well, once again,
this is not like every time at bat he's slapping
home runs.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
But he is that player.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
And the only way I can categorize that Ben is
he is a moment player. And when we look at
the World Series, and you look at the World Series
that Freddy Freeman is played in, he's had bass hits,
doubles and triples. And for those World Series and the
teams that he's been on, they've won the championship.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Well, then we got to do it. We gotta get
him the one hundred clutch rating there just to be
double with it. Last night we saw Russell Wilson cooking
for Pittsburgh, cooking the New York Giants in that particular case,
almost fumbled it away late though on that strip that
was improperly blocked. You had Alumin or was supposed to
have a tight income to his side to help ship
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and didn't I met let what come or not? What
what's his name? Come Burns? I guess it was come
up free outovated to whatever it was. Or no, there's
Daniel Jones. I'm sorry. Daniel Jones was the one that
was literally Russ fumbled on the other one, and uh,
you know, there were a lot of Broncos fans. It's weird,
so weird how Broncos fans celebrate the lack of success
although he won the game for Russell Wilson, they celebrate them.
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I don't understand that.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Well, the reason that's in place is because a lot
of fans did not like Russ while he was here.
And that was because when Russ arrived here, the expectations
went out of the roof. When you remember the Denver Broncos,
the expectations are always high. But when you are a
quarterback that has appeared in a couple of Super Bowls
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and you've won one, that is the expectation. And this
fan base has been thirsty for someone to lead them
across that finish line so they can have their ticketate parade.
And the idea was that, hey, Russ was gonna be
that guy. Things were not that great when Russ was here.
He would he would definitely admit it, and there was
a lot of things that were going on. I'm sure
internally that really didn't set up Russ or the team
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to be successful offensively. So some fans have taken that
to heart. There have been individuals here. You joked about
it the other night, you know, Zach. You know, well,
Zach kind of put himself under the bus. You know,
we just yeah, you just turned on the engine and
just kind of put the car and draw it. But
you know, there's there are a lot of individuals who
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don't like Russ, and you know, some of that the
media has kind of put into play. But for me,
I'm for every player being successful, even if you're a
former player.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Look you go somewhere else, man. I want everyone to succeed. Yeah,
I see. I'm the same way. I don't understand. I
don't understand rooting against people. I mean, I get it
if they're playing the Broncos, but I don't understand the
concept of rooting against somebody like what you know, are
they out there rooting against Joe Flacco? They're rooting against
case Um those quarterbacks didn't work out. No, they're not.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
But you know, once again, think about the time when
Russ was here and think about the narratives and the
commentary that was being said about who he was as
a player, and the fact of you know, Russ having
his own office and the narratives about well Russ wasn't
a team player. Look, I got a chance to know
a lot of players on this roster and talk to
a lot of players. Russ was definitely one of those
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particular players. Was Russ different and quirky from other individuals?
Yet some people just said that he was selfish and
into himself. And I'm like, bro, when you think about
quarterbacks and you look around the league, all those quarterbacks
are different. But when you reach that status, quarterbacks become demanded,
right and you look, for instance, look at what's happening
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in New York. Quarterbacks want to dictate the pace as
far as what goes on with the offense and who's
part of that offense. Did Russ have that liberty to
do that? No, he did things from maybe a side
point of having his own people in the building. But
being a former player, if I had the ability to
have my own personal chef, massus, my dB coach, Yeah,
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all those things to enhancement. Anyone who would say otherwise,
they're lying to themselves.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Well, you don't have those things already. I feel like
I feel like you do. I'm looking at uh yeah,
right off the bat, there, I know it's it's it's
your boy, it's it just just put it just just
killing me. Freddie Freeman right off the top.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
This guy man, I man, I swear this guy man.
See right on Q.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Just after we get done talking about the other big
news of the day, Shane Stiken, they announced the benching
of Anthony Richardson and putting Joe flaccoback in the starting lineup.
We talked about that yesterday, happens officially today. I think
it's the right move, the right call. I I just
I mean, as a coach, you have to win. If
you don't win, you're you're gonna get fired. And uh,
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for these coaches, that that's the problem. Somebody was putting
out a list of all these these quarterbacks that have
been benched before they got to twenty five years old,
and I'm like, well, but that's not a quarterback problem
or development problem. It's a we fire coaches too quickly
a problem. And these guys know that they get two
years and you know, maybe three if you're lucky, and
that's it.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah. I mean, once again we got to talk about
not just a head coach, but the livelihood of your
coaching staff. Those are always that the individuals that you
have to definitely think about. And right now, for whatever reason,
Anthony Richardson is not into it as though he should be.
And Shane Stike can understand said, look, man, you measured
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on your wins and losses, and especially after how the
team played last year. And granted, you know Anthony richards
was injured at that particular time, but he understands even
the weathered joy Butteraflacco he can come very seasoned, yes,
and he can come in and he can actually use
his skill set. Even though and this was all love
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about second chance, especially in the NFL. I mean, Joe
Flacco at one point last year was sitting on the sofa,
not wanting to be involved in football at all.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Cleveland gave him a call. They went on.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
This crazy run and everyone was thinking, could it be
could Joe Flacco do that for the Cleveland Browns? And
this is why he's a member of the Colts because
when you get that veteran leadership, you may be lack
of the skills he had ten years ago, but it
is the leadership, yep. And that leadership can take you far.
Think about Super Bowl fifty win the Broncos, yep. That
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played in Santa Clara Peyton. Manning was not a man
of himself that we like we remember, but his leadership
and being in there was enough to I guess, propel
everyone for it because he was known as the sheriff.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah. I feel like the Browns made a mistake last
year when they sat Flacco and everybody else for that
final regular season game. They were just they've been on
a tear, they'd just been red hot, and then they
just look usty in that opening playoff game, and it
looked like they let the wheels come off, And I'm like,
what are you doing breaking you know, breaking the streak?
You know, what are you doing breaking up the You're
you're on something, keep it, keep it rolling, don't don't
interrupt that flow. They kind of did. Now Flaco, of
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course with the Colts, and I think, in my opinion,
I think he looks like their best chance to win.
I mean, he just does. The offense looks better when
he's out there, It looks more consistent. They're able to
do a little bit more. You know, maybe you put
a package in there, a goal line package for Anthony Richardson,
something like that. But I struggle to see a way
he finds the field. Unless Flacco gets.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Hurt well at this particular point making this move, It's
going to be really hard for Anthony Richardson to kind
of get back on the field at this point because
what he has to do he has to win back
the guys in the locker room. He's got to win
back to respect of the Colts fan because the narrative
that has been floated out after the game was that
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he quit on his teammates and what however, it kind
of works out. Your teammates rely on you, They depend
on every single guy in that locker room. And to
see him just kind of turn it down in that way,
not turn up, turned down for what, not tap in,
but tap out right, So I think that's probably the
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question that people are asking him. Turned down for what?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Right? I you know, I mean, somebody posted this list
and I got into it a little bit with some
people today on Twitter, where I was like, look, it's
the NFL doesn't have a quarterback development problem. It has
a we have a too quick a hook for these
coaches problem. And if they had the job security to
be able to develop quarterbacks like they did back in
the day, then you would see more of it, but
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you just don't. And that's why we get guys that
like Sam Darnold now who's finally come into his own,
Baker Mayfield who finally has come into his own Geno
Smith it took to come into his own, get those
opportunities and get the reps that they needed over the
years and get there. And yeah, I mean, you can
say that the NFL has a develop quarterback development problem,
and I guess that's theoretically true, but that's the symptom.
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That's not the problem. The problem is is that we
have too quick a hook with these coaches and we
pull the plug before they have a chance to develop
these guys.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
So the whole thing is buy in. You always hear coaches,
whether veteran coaches or young coaches coming in. They're talking
about the culture and trying to get the buy in.
But the problem sometimes is maybe ownership and upper management
they're not really buying in. I mean, if you're going
to go all in on a rookie quarterback right and
you're drafting me in the first round, you are a.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Sense tied to that guy.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
You now have to allow that guy to develop, and
you got to take the bidder with the suite, and
that also means that coaching staff that's coming in. You
have to understand, well, listen, those coaches are coming in
and they have a rookie quarterback, and if we're drafting
a guy at the quarterback position early in the draft
or in the top ten, we know we're not where
we need to be. So you have to have a
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grace period where you are patient. But what happens is
there's a lot of outside pressure from fans. There's a
lot of outside pressure from the media, and like a
coach once told me, you start listening to the people
in the stands join them exactly. So it's the level
of patience that you have, not just with the player
that you chose, but the coaching staff that you have,
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and that coaching staff has to show that they have
patients to allow that young quarterback to develop.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Is there any scenario which you bring Anthony Richardson back
this year?
Speaker 2 (14:22):
The only time that you would bring him back? If
Joe is heard at this point, you've already made the
move and you've already somewhat moved on. Now, that's not
to say that come twenty twenty five, Shane Steichen and
the coach cannot go back to Anthony richards and then
evaluate him in that point that standpoint, because when we
think about evaluation, it's not just evaluating you on the field,
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game time, and practice. We have to evaluate you from
the mental standpoint. How are you handling this particular situation.
It's not what we thought of. But are you moping around?
Are you still engaged? You got to evaluate that.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Too as well. Be proposed a trade to you real quick.
Oh my trade Justin Fields for Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
And Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, gives Pittsburgh has got his Russ. They have the
time to develop him behind the veteran quarterback that they
have there. At the same time, you move Justin Fields,
who looks like he's ready to be a starter, over
into a system that is probably best suited for his
skill set in Indianapolis.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I really don't like this idea very much, but there's
a small part that I like, and it's the fact
of the leadership in Pittsburgh, the ownership from top down
and their history only having three owner not three owners,
but three head coaches in the franchise history. But more importantly,
the guy who is the head coach right now Mike
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Tomlin master motivator. Yep. Could he bring in Anthony Richardson
and kind of sitting behind Russ and get him up
to speed? Yes, I think he could, and that would
be good for Anthony Richardson. But the stills are already
in a good place. I mean, you already have Russ,
you already have fields who show that. Look, he's still
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got a little something to his game, still got to
come along, But you have a guy that's already in
place to me, stick with that and I'll nurture that
and allow that to kind of grow.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Just something that occurred to me throughout the day was
something that would would probably be the best for both
of them. Put them in situations where they could they
could flourish. Richardson's gonna need time with the bench. And
then you've got Joe Flacco there at any who already
has sort of an experience it with a guy that's
a young, up and come mobile quarterback to help, you know,
mentor even if he didn't want to matter or Drew Locke.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
All right, So would Flacco be a great mentor for
a young player, Yes, But the problem for me is
flacco skill set. If richards the skill set or even
Justin fields skill set, they don't match. Those two magnets
are not magnetized. The math is not Mathews.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
As the saying goes, yes, well I agree with you.
I think that Shane Steichen would perfer. We're a quarterback
with Anthony Richardson or Justin Field's skill set, but right
now he needs somebody who could pass the ball, and
what he's got is Anthony Richardson and somebody who can
pass the ball.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Well here's the other thing too as well. Keep this
I'll say keep this in mind too. Flaco could come
in and he can show that, you know, in spot.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Duty he can move the ball around.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
But also when you look at the coats, what are
their major weapons, because when we talk quarterback position, whereas
a veteran or young guy, you gotta have weapons. If
you don't have weapons, that's debilitating for you as a
young quarterback and you can't really grow as a veteran quarterback.
You could do so much. We know Jack Joe Flacco
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can get the ball out of his hands, but from
a running standpoint, being that type of threat, he can't
really help out. And Shane Steichen he wants that type
of offense. That's why they drafted Anthony Richardson. But he
goes back to do you have the necessary weapons? That
that's not only Jonathan Taylor, but do you got guys
outside the numbers and make plays for you?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
The legend of Travis Hunter continues to grow. Say yo,
all about that, we come back Broncos Country night. Ka.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
He shooting edy movie heed movie boom.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
We're shooting pressure to his face, throws it left side
and it is intercepted, intercepted. Oh what a spectacular play,
shopping the route on the far side. He is the
best player in college football. Travis Hunter, Nick, you ever
seen a player get Offensive Player of the Week at
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Defensive Player of the Week at the same time.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I've never seen that happen, Ben, And I know it's
always there's the first time for everything, and right now
we are actually seeing history be made now. There have
been other defensive backs and players who played both ways,
Deon Sanders being one of those, Tam Bailey being another.
When he played at Georgia, Charles Wantson did it back
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in nineteen ninety seven and he ended up winning the Heisman.
And to be fair, Charles Wilson didn't really play as
many snaps offensively or snap's period as period as Travis
Hunter has demonstrated that he can play, And for me,
let's just kind of remove the athleticism and ability aside,
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but let's just talk about the knowledge and football powers
that's needed and required to be able to flip your
mind at a moment's notice, to go from playing corner
to playing wide receiver, and to know that during the
week to kind of spare Travis Hunter and take some
of the pressure off him some meetings he doesn't even
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go to. I've never seen this happen, and this is wild.
I'm happy for the kid because I'll say this, when
he was at Jackson State, people knew of him, and
they knew of him by turning down big power five school,
but he was still viewed as just like shador, you
know what, those dudes go to HBC.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
They're not doing that against Power five.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
So to watch those two guys play the way that
they are playing is like, what more can you say
to take away from who they are?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Right? Look, it's to me, it's just fun, first of all,
to watch something that is so unprecedented, because this isn't
a situation where like champ where he played both sides
the ball a little bit or you know, hind toward.
Or we saw Julian Edelman become a corner in the
middle of the season. At one point, Tyler, who is
the receiver that the Pats had back in the back
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in that era, that did switch over to play dB.
Was it Tory Brown?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Brown did it?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:36):
And then there was another guy did it.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Recently. You've seen some guys do some things like that.
This isn't that. This is a guy playing full snaps
on both sides of the ball at a lead level.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah. I mean, think this thing about the game that
they played recently, one hundred and thirty two snaps, sixty
one of those were on the defensive side of the ball.
And now, I mean he scored two offensive touchdowns. And
it's just amazing to watch an individual go out there
with that type of not just physical but mental stamina
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to be able to pull that off. There are not
too many players that could do that. And to be
totally honest, man, I neither had the ability or the
mental capacity to be able to do that. So what
Travis is doing is something extraordinary.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, and it's just fascinating to watch as he does
it at a high level. Meanwhile, you got quarterbacks like
Anthony Richardson pulling themselves out after twenty snaps, and you
got Travis Hunter out there playing, you know, one hundred
and twenty snaps in a game and try to get
out there more. There was a great story one of
the coaches told the other day about how he was
having a conversation with Travis Hunter, one of the defensive coaches.
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If you come off the field of defense and he's like, oh,
excuse me a second, coach, real quick runs out there
on the field and he's running down there catching a
touchdown pass. He's like watching him like in the middle
of it, comes back and continues the conversation with the coach.
It's not just that he's a phenomenal athlete, but a
high football like you guy, it's well round game. He
is absolutely to me a lock for the Heisman. With
all due respect to the bois and running back who
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I think should in any other year be a lock
for the Heisman.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Well, usually that is the case, but I don't want
to say that anyone is a lock for the Heisman,
because once again, you never know how Heisman voters vote.
And sometimes there is somewhat of a bias associated with it,
so I wouldn't count it as a sure thing. And
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don't forget about the Miami Hurricanes quarterback can't war. They
are still undefeated, and a lot of that plays into
because let's be honest about what the Heisman Trophy award is.
Usually that's an award that is given to the best quarterback,
even though you have the Davy O'Brien Award, which that
too is given to the best quarterback and usually leads
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you to a decision as far as who's going to
get the Covenant.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
We got a campaign, We got a Heisman voter on
the station, right, I was Heisman voter?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah? He is a Heisman voter.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
The you know what, I would say that I didn't
know that, but I think I told you that before. Yeah,
I think he actually told me that himself. So there's
a lot of moving parts that go in. And the
one thing about the Heisman, even though it comes down
to one player, one player stands on the stage and
he accepts this trophy and he makes the speech that's
kind of a team thit. And this is why, like
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I was wondering how CEU is going to do this
when you have him two guys who are up for
the Heisman right now, it's it's kind of Travis Hunter
is that solo guy for cu buffs. I thought it
was going to be your door, but you have to
have no blemishes on your record. This is why I
say it was it's not just cut and drive with Travis.
Extraordinary player in his own right. But if the Miami
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Hurricanes continue to win, cam Ward's name is still going
to be in that conversation.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, I think I would list him third. If I
were making my own ballot, it would be Travis at
the time, and then Janti get the you know, the second,
and then kind of more third.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Well, what about the Dylan Gabriel from Oregon. Look, I
know you gave me the bitter beer face, but once again,
let's think about what the Heisman Trophy is.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
It's supposed to be the most outstanding player in college fall,
not the most outstanding quarterback, not the end.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
But I know you're saying that, but this is how
it works. We give the quarterback and we propped them
up on the pediac. Bush won the quarterback. Yes, but
Reggie Bush was special, like he was at school with
Matt Lioner, and Matt Lioner was not putting up numbers
like him. His whole thing was let me get.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
The ball to Reggie and Rachel Lyndelle.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Exactly and let those guys definitely work for me. So
Matt was never in that conversation in that particular way.
But when we live in a quarterback driven league, as
they say, as we talk about NFL and college football here,
but so much of it leans heavily on the quarterback.
But if you lose a game and you pursuit of
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the Heisman, that is going to have a substantial impact
on you and Heisman voters in the way they think sometimes.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, I mean, I hope they don't mess this up
and give it to a quarterback when you've got more
deserving guys, like if it's not gonna be Travis Hunter,
to me, it's got to go to Boise State running
back Chanty. I mean what he is doing is is
I mean it makes even Reggie.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Bush look you know wait, wait, wait, hold on, now,
I think you getting too far ahead the difference.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
So Reggie was on a team that had weapons everywhere.
They had weapons at receiver that would played the way
Kanty is the offense.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
This is like, yeah, come on now, let's be totally honest.
If Reggie Bush was on any other team not named
the USC Trojan during that time, he still was going
to put up numbers because he would.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Have been what he got. He wouldn't have had that
offensive line that all went to the pros, the receivers
that pros R used to watch it up close and personally, yes,
when they came and trounced my beloved razorbacks seventy to something,
They're in fanfield.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
And then Reggie's running down the field, he stopped, puts
on to break. The guy goes.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
They guys like the third and four string running backs
in that game because they were like, we don't even
need to run Retchie anymore.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Look that Heisman Trophy award, it's supposed to be given
to the best player. Oftentimes he's just kind of give
it to quarterbacks. I'm of the frame of mind just
kind of look at the whole field and ask who
is changing the landscape of college football. And once again,
each voter, depending on where you live, what games are
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you watching, you always wonder what kind of bias comes
into the picture to determine whether a guy stands up
on that stage Dolo by himself to say that he
is a Heisman Trophy winner of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I just feel like Hunter and Janti are far and
away the two options here. I can't imagine anybody who's
not a relative of cam Ward or a Miami fan
saying that Ward would be the guy at this point
ahead of those two. Not to say that Ward shouldn't
win the Davey O'Brien Award, but I can't. You can't
say that he's the most outstanding player in college football
aead of those two guys.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Well, look, if Miami continues on this pace and they're
undefeated and we get to the back half or the
early part of December, I mean, obviously that is going
to build a lot of praise for cam War And
there's people I know in the three h five right
now who are already pounding the table before that.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Going back to a Broncos country tonight live from Sam's
Number three in Glendale. Bet you all bright, Nick Ferguson
here with you five six six nine zero. Here's the
text line, Nick, we have the major question of the day.
We've talked a little bit about the Shane Steikin situation
up at Travis Hunter. I've talked about the world series,
but the big question today is when is Nick ferguson
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the rose Beard back? What right here on the rundown?
Did you not pay attention to the rundown right now?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I was just looking at this thing and as though
I was coming across that, you were reading that, and
I was like, what when did that become a thing?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
It has become a face trending on Twitter. There's a hashtag, actually,
what's the hass bring back firs beard?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
At least.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Like a like a doctor robotic mustache thing going on there.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
You know what, Ben, I don't think it's going to
come back because for me, I always do a little
something to kind of test my patience and growing face.
Your hair was one of those things because you go
through that in between phase where your face is all
scratchy and people are looking at you like, maybe you
should shave. I did it for eight years, and I know,
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you know, some people want me to bring it back.
I don't think. I don't think I'm gonna do it
because I like the clean shaven look. It is very
you know, classic, and I know, we're getting into the
winter months here in Colorado, and usually that's when individuals
start to grow their beard. And look, you know, very
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very manly, and you know Grants back at the station,
he has a fine mustache and he has somewhat somewhat
of a beard. So you know, I'm living vicously through
through you guys now. And you know, think about Ryan.
See Ryan has a beard, but he hasn't really allowed
it to grow out, like very man there's.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
A groomed beard. Yeah, this isn't one of those uh
you know I have. I have a soup catcher going.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
On more or less. Like when when you see some
of those guys who are Navy seals serving the military,
those guys for some reason, I don't know if it's
part and you can tell me if it's part of
the core that guys grow out these.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
And may is a fit like that sort they kick
you out if you can't. That's the reason I could never.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Oh so so so that is the reason as to
why no.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
And you have to be clean shaven, you know, when
you're fall like stuff. But that is a kind of
a thing that they do, you know, to distinguish themselves.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
It's like it's like a like a like a tough
man thing.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
So if I think there's there's something to that, I mean,
plus that you know, for a lot of guys, the
beard hides some neck fat, you know. So I'm just saying,
next fit if you are. And it's funny. It's in
the army you get you know, the rangers, which is
the bulkier, you know, bigger guys, and you get s
f guys which are built more like me, you know,
a little skinnier, uh, you know, as far as that goes,
And usually it's it's those the bulkier types that have
the big the big beard.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Well that that is something that that I have noticed
about those guys in the military, that it is like
a like a staple, Like when you see one of
those military guys with you know, a beard, is like,
you know, I'm a no nonsense uh type of guy.
But I don't know, ben, I mean maybe if I
made a wager with someone and I lost the bet,
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maybe I would but my beard to grow back, I
must see.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Once again, that's where we miss out.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I don't I don't wager, So the chances of that
happening are slim, uh, slim to none. So you know,
but my wife loves a clean shaven Look how long
eight years?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Eight years? So she was mad at you for eight years.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
And no, I mean it was a little difficult, difficult
for her at first because you grow through that that
phase where it just kind of looked like the mains
or something like that, look exactly exactly and then it
comes full circle. But no, man, it's it's it's great
to do it now when you have a beard is
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more grooming, but not having a beard kind of kind
of making sure you shave like every day, or you're
making sure that your face is I don't know by two,
but I.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Use the electric thing right.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
No, no, no, you can't do that. I did that
one time in college and it's scarred at my face.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Oh see, I don't. I don't do the razors like
the mock three. So I think this is a way
once I got out of the army because they I
used to get the razor bird on my neck really bad. Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Now, are you a man that moisturizes your face?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I have been known to moisturize. Okay, there's a there's
a there's a grooming process. Oh I see.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I I wanted to check because some guys oceans I
just won't admit it, and some guys won't do it.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I have no qualms.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Do you do the night.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Creams and stuff like that, the night time lotions? I got,
the vitamin C Seira mill, It's day I got.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Now. My wife had me to try something where it
was kind of like it looked like paper and it.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Looked like and it's like wet you put it on
you like a mask kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Well, yeah, and it made me look like I was, uh,
basically what was it had an electric Yeah? Right, I'm
like what, I got this paper on my face? And
she was like, oh my god, I have to take
a photo of this. I'm like, please, don't do.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
This at all. It did posted immediately she said it
to me.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
She did it, and she definitely posted it, and obviously
it was just kind of all right, man, I love
my wife so much, I'm gonna allow my wife to
put these h facial routines. Yeah, man, So that's how
much I love my wife.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I've done the green tea masks and all that kind
of stuff. You know. Yeah, I I mean, you know what,
everybody's gotta got a regiment as far as that goes.
But okay, well, we've answered the burning question, the Beard's
not coming back, coming back. We're still doing the hashtag
on Twitter, though. We're gonna make this. We're gonna make
this stream round to come back and talk about these
Nuggets and how they've been struggling this season. This Nebroncos
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country and I can't wear
Welcome into it, Broncos Country Tonight, Benjamin all Right, Nick
Ferguson here with you, Shandon Scott producing, Grant Smith back
admission control. I think that's Nick Ferguson. I can't really
tell unto the costume here. Nick has decided to fully
embrace Halloween and looks like if Uncle Rufus was a
doc worker going on here. I don't even know, like,
what is this costume that you're wearing here?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
What costume are you referring?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
The mask with the giant white mustache and hilariously bushy eyebrows.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Man, Listen, it is Halloween. I embraced the holiday and
this is one of those days where you can do
off the cuff things that you wouldn't ordinally be to
doing doing the year.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Before we came on, I think Alpha Williams and Ryan
ed Was they didn't find my little Facehoe expenditures to
their delight.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I don't know what they're missing out here. I think
it's hilarious. I think it's great. You look like the
black Swedish chef. I can get some Chris Morgan organ
Orgie Morgan, there will be good. It's it's this is
like I don't even know how to describe this thing.
I'm gonna have to take a picture put it up
on Twitter at some point so you can see exactly
what it is I'm talking about. I I too came
in costume as the handsomest man alive, and so you know,
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they just make it basically, wore my regular clothes and
regular face didn't expire.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Even with that being said, how is it those who
were somewhat not delighted by my costume but didn't really
say anything about you?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I don't know, you know, I mean, I guess they're
so used to just being the handsomest man alive. Okay,
And I think that's a good word. Five six six
text A big show tonight. We got Ryan Michael going
to join us seven thirty five, Park Gabriel gonna join
us at eight o five. Got a lot of stuff
to get to Carolin Panthers trade d'atae Johnson today saw
that going to Baltimore for a swap of a fifth
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sixth Uh there, but you know he will be eligible
for the compet story formula, which makes sense Baltimore. Generally,
he doesn't trade for people on expiring deals unless they're
they're eligible for the compet story formula. I you know,
I thought, uh, last night's World Series kind of looked
like the Yankees are kind of getting run. Buddy, I
had picture Yankees last night. Picked them again to night.
We'll see you know what.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
It is funny and this has kind of been the
storyline for the Yankees over the past couple of years.
They do well during the regular season, and then once
they get to this particular point, their bats kind of
go to sleep. It's almost like they need Joe bu.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
You slightly resemble right now with this costume. Getting back
to the things that matter.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, So, I mean Aaron Judge, I mean, we know
during the regular season he is a definitely slugger, but
he really hasn't been that guy in this particular series.
And I need the Yankees to at least win one
because when you look at the Dodgers, man, it's it's
historic on both sides. But this is why, once again
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that the Rockies are in a very difficult ballpark, because
the Dodgers are not going to go anywhere. They always
find from a measurement standpoint, to bring players into the
foe and then get the most out of players. And
when you look at these two teams. Payrolls are out
of the roof, and this is something that maybe you
have to do. But I was telling Ryan Evers the
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other night the guy that sticks in my crawl for
the Dodgers Freddy freaking Freeman, I mean the other okay,
last night, Well the other night, he started off in
the first in a getting the Dodgers up by two runs.
The game before that, he hits a Grand Slam. And
the one thing about Freddy Freeman is that you may
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not think of Freddy Freeman as a household name, but
he finds a way in those key moments. He's one
of those moments players who I mean, in that particular situation,
he's gonna come up with a basin, a double, or
even a Grand Slam. So for me being a Yankees fan,
I'm not liking Freddy.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Freeman right now. His clutch rating has to be at
ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
You know what, is there such a thing on the
video game?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Because I don't know, show or whatever, it's a club
the clutch rating. So like when you were in certain
situations they perform better.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Well, right now, I would have to say that Freddy
Freeman is living at maybe a hundred right now because
he is destroying the Yankees by himself. But well, once again,
this is not like every time at bat he's slapping
home runs.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
But he is that player.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
And the only way I can categorize that Ben is
he is a moment player. And when we look at
the World Series, and you look at the World Series
that Freddy Freeman is played in, he's had bass hits,
doubles and triples. And for those World Series and the
teams that he's been on, they've won the championship.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Well, then we got to do it. We gotta get
him the one hundred clutch rating there just to be
double with it. Last night we saw Russell Wilson cooking
for Pittsburgh, cooking the New York Giants in that particular case,
almost fumbled it away late though on that strip that
was improperly blocked. You had Alumin or was supposed to
have a tight income to his side to help ship
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and didn't I met let what come or not? What
what's his name? Come Burns? I guess it was come
up free outovated to whatever it was. Or no, there's
Daniel Jones. I'm sorry. Daniel Jones was the one that
was literally Russ fumbled on the other one, and uh,
you know, there were a lot of Broncos fans. It's weird,
so weird how Broncos fans celebrate the lack of success
although he won the game for Russell Wilson, they celebrate them.
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I don't understand that.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Well, the reason that's in place is because a lot
of fans did not like Russ while he was here.
And that was because when Russ arrived here, the expectations
went out of the roof. When you remember the Denver Broncos,
the expectations are always high. But when you are a
quarterback that has appeared in a couple of Super Bowls
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and you've won one, that is the expectation. And this
fan base has been thirsty for someone to lead them
across that finish line so they can have their ticketate parade.
And the idea was that, hey, Russ was gonna be
that guy. Things were not that great when Russ was here.
He would he would definitely admit it, and there was
a lot of things that were going on. I'm sure
internally that really didn't set up Russ or the team
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to be successful offensively. So some fans have taken that
to heart. There have been individuals here. You joked about
it the other night, you know, Zach. You know, well,
Zach kind of put himself under the bus. You know,
we just yeah, you just turned on the engine and
just kind of put the car and draw it. But
you know, there's there are a lot of individuals who
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don't like Russ, and you know, some of that the
media has kind of put into play. But for me,
I'm for every player being successful, even if you're a
former player.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Look you go somewhere else, man. I want everyone to succeed. Yeah,
I see. I'm the same way. I don't understand. I
don't understand rooting against people. I mean, I get it
if they're playing the Broncos, but I don't understand the
concept of rooting against somebody like what you know, are
they out there rooting against Joe Flacco? They're rooting against
case Um those quarterbacks didn't work out. No, they're not.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
But you know, once again, think about the time when
Russ was here and think about the narratives and the
commentary that was being said about who he was as
a player, and the fact of you know, Russ having
his own office and the narratives about well Russ wasn't
a team player. Look, I got a chance to know
a lot of players on this roster and talk to
a lot of players. Russ was definitely one of those
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particular players. Was Russ different and quirky from other individuals?
Yet some people just said that he was selfish and
into himself. And I'm like, bro, when you think about
quarterbacks and you look around the league, all those quarterbacks
are different. But when you reach that status, quarterbacks become demanded,
right and you look, for instance, look at what's happening
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in New York. Quarterbacks want to dictate the pace as
far as what goes on with the offense and who's
part of that offense. Did Russ have that liberty to
do that? No, he did things from maybe a side
point of having his own people in the building. But
being a former player, if I had the ability to
have my own personal chef, massus, my dB coach, Yeah,
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all those things to enhancement. Anyone who would say otherwise,
they're lying to themselves.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Well, you don't have those things already. I feel like
I feel like you do. I'm looking at uh yeah,
right off the bat, there, I know it's it's it's
your boy, it's it just just put it just just
killing me. Freddie Freeman right off the top.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
This guy man, I man, I swear this guy man.
See right on Q.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Just after we get done talking about the other big
news of the day, Shane Stiken, they announced the benching
of Anthony Richardson and putting Joe flaccoback in the starting lineup.
We talked about that yesterday, happens officially today. I think
it's the right move, the right call. I I just
I mean, as a coach, you have to win. If
you don't win, you're you're gonna get fired. And uh,
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for these coaches, that that's the problem. Somebody was putting
out a list of all these these quarterbacks that have
been benched before they got to twenty five years old,
and I'm like, well, but that's not a quarterback problem
or development problem. It's a we fire coaches too quickly
a problem. And these guys know that they get two
years and you know, maybe three if you're lucky, and
that's it.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah. I mean, once again we got to talk about
not just a head coach, but the livelihood of your
coaching staff. Those are always that the individuals that you
have to definitely think about. And right now, for whatever reason,
Anthony Richardson is not into it as though he should be.
And Shane Stike can understand said, look, man, you measured
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on your wins and losses, and especially after how the
team played last year. And granted, you know Anthony richards
was injured at that particular time, but he understands even
the weathered joy Butteraflacco he can come very seasoned, yes,
and he can come in and he can actually use
his skill set. Even though and this was all love
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about second chance, especially in the NFL. I mean, Joe
Flacco at one point last year was sitting on the sofa,
not wanting to be involved in football at all.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Cleveland gave him a call. They went on.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
This crazy run and everyone was thinking, could it be
could Joe Flacco do that for the Cleveland Browns? And
this is why he's a member of the Colts because
when you get that veteran leadership, you may be lack
of the skills he had ten years ago, but it
is the leadership, yep. And that leadership can take you far.
Think about Super Bowl fifty win the Broncos, yep. That
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played in Santa Clara Peyton. Manning was not a man
of himself that we like we remember, but his leadership
and being in there was enough to I guess, propel
everyone for it because he was known as the sheriff.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah. I feel like the Browns made a mistake last
year when they sat Flacco and everybody else for that
final regular season game. They were just they've been on
a tear, they'd just been red hot, and then they
just look usty in that opening playoff game, and it
looked like they let the wheels come off, And I'm like,
what are you doing breaking you know, breaking the streak?
You know, what are you doing breaking up the You're
you're on something, keep it, keep it rolling, don't don't
interrupt that flow. They kind of did. Now Flaco, of
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course with the Colts, and I think, in my opinion,
I think he looks like their best chance to win.
I mean, he just does. The offense looks better when
he's out there, It looks more consistent. They're able to
do a little bit more. You know, maybe you put
a package in there, a goal line package for Anthony Richardson,
something like that. But I struggle to see a way
he finds the field. Unless Flacco gets.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Hurt well at this particular point making this move, It's
going to be really hard for Anthony Richardson to kind
of get back on the field at this point because
what he has to do he has to win back
the guys in the locker room. He's got to win
back to respect of the Colts fan because the narrative
that has been floated out after the game was that
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he quit on his teammates and what however, it kind
of works out. Your teammates rely on you, They depend
on every single guy in that locker room. And to
see him just kind of turn it down in that way,
not turn up, turned down for what, not tap in,
but tap out right, So I think that's probably the
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question that people are asking him. Turned down for what?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Right? I you know, I mean, somebody posted this list
and I got into it a little bit with some
people today on Twitter, where I was like, look, it's
the NFL doesn't have a quarterback development problem. It has
a we have a too quick a hook for these
coaches problem. And if they had the job security to
be able to develop quarterbacks like they did back in
the day, then you would see more of it, but
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you just don't. And that's why we get guys that
like Sam Darnold now who's finally come into his own,
Baker Mayfield who finally has come into his own Geno
Smith it took to come into his own, get those
opportunities and get the reps that they needed over the
years and get there. And yeah, I mean, you can
say that the NFL has a develop quarterback development problem,
and I guess that's theoretically true, but that's the symptom.
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That's not the problem. The problem is is that we
have too quick a hook with these coaches and we
pull the plug before they have a chance to develop
these guys.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
So the whole thing is buy in. You always hear coaches,
whether veteran coaches or young coaches coming in. They're talking
about the culture and trying to get the buy in.
But the problem sometimes is maybe ownership and upper management
they're not really buying in. I mean, if you're going
to go all in on a rookie quarterback right and
you're drafting me in the first round, you are a.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Sense tied to that guy.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
You now have to allow that guy to develop, and
you got to take the bidder with the suite, and
that also means that coaching staff that's coming in. You
have to understand, well, listen, those coaches are coming in
and they have a rookie quarterback, and if we're drafting
a guy at the quarterback position early in the draft
or in the top ten, we know we're not where
we need to be. So you have to have a
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grace period where you are patient. But what happens is
there's a lot of outside pressure from fans. There's a
lot of outside pressure from the media, and like a
coach once told me, you start listening to the people
in the stands join them exactly. So it's the level
of patience that you have, not just with the player
that you chose, but the coaching staff that you have,
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and that coaching staff has to show that they have
patients to allow that young quarterback to develop.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Is there any scenario which you bring Anthony Richardson back
this year?
Speaker 2 (14:22):
The only time that you would bring him back? If
Joe is heard at this point, you've already made the
move and you've already somewhat moved on. Now, that's not
to say that come twenty twenty five, Shane Steichen and
the coach cannot go back to Anthony richards and then
evaluate him in that point that standpoint, because when we
think about evaluation, it's not just evaluating you on the field,
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game time, and practice. We have to evaluate you from
the mental standpoint. How are you handling this particular situation.
It's not what we thought of. But are you moping around?
Are you still engaged? You got to evaluate that.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Too as well. Be proposed a trade to you real quick.
Oh my trade Justin Fields for Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
And Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, gives Pittsburgh has got his Russ. They have the
time to develop him behind the veteran quarterback that they
have there. At the same time, you move Justin Fields,
who looks like he's ready to be a starter, over
into a system that is probably best suited for his
skill set in Indianapolis.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I really don't like this idea very much, but there's
a small part that I like, and it's the fact
of the leadership in Pittsburgh, the ownership from top down
and their history only having three owner not three owners,
but three head coaches in the franchise history. But more importantly,
the guy who is the head coach right now Mike
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Tomlin master motivator. Yep. Could he bring in Anthony Richardson
and kind of sitting behind Russ and get him up
to speed? Yes, I think he could, and that would
be good for Anthony Richardson. But the stills are already
in a good place. I mean, you already have Russ,
you already have fields who show that. Look, he's still
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got a little something to his game, still got to
come along, But you have a guy that's already in
place to me, stick with that and I'll nurture that
and allow that to kind of grow.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Just something that occurred to me throughout the day was
something that would would probably be the best for both
of them. Put them in situations where they could they
could flourish. Richardson's gonna need time with the bench. And
then you've got Joe Flacco there at any who already
has sort of an experience it with a guy that's
a young, up and come mobile quarterback to help, you know,
mentor even if he didn't want to matter or Drew Locke.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
All right, So would Flacco be a great mentor for
a young player, Yes, But the problem for me is
flacco skill set. If richards the skill set or even
Justin fields skill set, they don't match. Those two magnets
are not magnetized. The math is not Mathews.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
As the saying goes, yes, well I agree with you.
I think that Shane Steichen would perfer. We're a quarterback
with Anthony Richardson or Justin Field's skill set, but right
now he needs somebody who could pass the ball, and
what he's got is Anthony Richardson and somebody who can
pass the ball.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Well here's the other thing too as well. Keep this
I'll say keep this in mind too. Flaco could come
in and he can show that, you know, in spot.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Duty he can move the ball around.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
But also when you look at the coats, what are
their major weapons, because when we talk quarterback position, whereas
a veteran or young guy, you gotta have weapons. If
you don't have weapons, that's debilitating for you as a
young quarterback and you can't really grow as a veteran quarterback.
You could do so much. We know Jack Joe Flacco
(17:37):
can get the ball out of his hands, but from
a running standpoint, being that type of threat, he can't
really help out. And Shane Steichen he wants that type
of offense. That's why they drafted Anthony Richardson. But he
goes back to do you have the necessary weapons? That
that's not only Jonathan Taylor, but do you got guys
outside the numbers and make plays for you?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
The legend of Travis Hunter continues to grow. Say yo,
all about that, we come back Broncos Country night. Ka.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
He shooting edy movie heed movie boom.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
We're shooting pressure to his face, throws it left side
and it is intercepted, intercepted. Oh what a spectacular play,
shopping the route on the far side. He is the
best player in college football. Travis Hunter, Nick, you ever
seen a player get Offensive Player of the Week at
(18:29):
Defensive Player of the Week at the same time.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I've never seen that happen, Ben, And I know it's
always there's the first time for everything, and right now
we are actually seeing history be made now. There have
been other defensive backs and players who played both ways,
Deon Sanders being one of those, Tam Bailey being another.
When he played at Georgia, Charles Wantson did it back
(18:54):
in nineteen ninety seven and he ended up winning the Heisman.
And to be fair, Charles Wilson didn't really play as
many snaps offensively or snap's period as period as Travis
Hunter has demonstrated that he can play, And for me,
let's just kind of remove the athleticism and ability aside,
(19:17):
but let's just talk about the knowledge and football powers
that's needed and required to be able to flip your
mind at a moment's notice, to go from playing corner
to playing wide receiver, and to know that during the
week to kind of spare Travis Hunter and take some
of the pressure off him some meetings he doesn't even
(19:38):
go to. I've never seen this happen, and this is wild.
I'm happy for the kid because I'll say this, when
he was at Jackson State, people knew of him, and
they knew of him by turning down big power five school,
but he was still viewed as just like shador, you
know what, those dudes go to HBC.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
They're not doing that against Power five.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
So to watch those two guys play the way that
they are playing is like, what more can you say
to take away from who they are?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Right? Look, it's to me, it's just fun, first of all,
to watch something that is so unprecedented, because this isn't
a situation where like champ where he played both sides
the ball a little bit or you know, hind toward.
Or we saw Julian Edelman become a corner in the
middle of the season. At one point, Tyler, who is
the receiver that the Pats had back in the back
(20:30):
in that era, that did switch over to play dB.
Was it Tory Brown?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Brown did it?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:36):
And then there was another guy did it.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Recently. You've seen some guys do some things like that.
This isn't that. This is a guy playing full snaps
on both sides of the ball at a lead level.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah. I mean, think this thing about the game that
they played recently, one hundred and thirty two snaps, sixty
one of those were on the defensive side of the ball.
And now, I mean he scored two offensive touchdowns. And
it's just amazing to watch an individual go out there
with that type of not just physical but mental stamina
(21:08):
to be able to pull that off. There are not
too many players that could do that. And to be
totally honest, man, I neither had the ability or the
mental capacity to be able to do that. So what
Travis is doing is something extraordinary.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, and it's just fascinating to watch as he does
it at a high level. Meanwhile, you got quarterbacks like
Anthony Richardson pulling themselves out after twenty snaps, and you
got Travis Hunter out there playing, you know, one hundred
and twenty snaps in a game and try to get
out there more. There was a great story one of
the coaches told the other day about how he was
having a conversation with Travis Hunter, one of the defensive coaches.
(21:44):
If you come off the field of defense and he's like, oh,
excuse me a second, coach, real quick runs out there
on the field and he's running down there catching a
touchdown pass. He's like watching him like in the middle
of it, comes back and continues the conversation with the coach.
It's not just that he's a phenomenal athlete, but a
high football like you guy, it's well round game. He
is absolutely to me a lock for the Heisman. With
all due respect to the bois and running back who
(22:05):
I think should in any other year be a lock
for the Heisman.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Well, usually that is the case, but I don't want
to say that anyone is a lock for the Heisman,
because once again, you never know how Heisman voters vote.
And sometimes there is somewhat of a bias associated with it,
so I wouldn't count it as a sure thing. And
(22:31):
don't forget about the Miami Hurricanes quarterback can't war. They
are still undefeated, and a lot of that plays into
because let's be honest about what the Heisman Trophy award is.
Usually that's an award that is given to the best quarterback,
even though you have the Davy O'Brien Award, which that
too is given to the best quarterback and usually leads
(22:53):
you to a decision as far as who's going to
get the Covenant.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
We got a campaign, We got a Heisman voter on
the station, right, I was Heisman voter?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah? He is a Heisman voter.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
The you know what, I would say that I didn't
know that, but I think I told you that before. Yeah,
I think he actually told me that himself. So there's
a lot of moving parts that go in. And the
one thing about the Heisman, even though it comes down
to one player, one player stands on the stage and
he accepts this trophy and he makes the speech that's
kind of a team thit. And this is why, like
(23:27):
I was wondering how CEU is going to do this
when you have him two guys who are up for
the Heisman right now, it's it's kind of Travis Hunter
is that solo guy for cu buffs. I thought it
was going to be your door, but you have to
have no blemishes on your record. This is why I
say it was it's not just cut and drive with Travis.
Extraordinary player in his own right. But if the Miami
(23:50):
Hurricanes continue to win, cam Ward's name is still going
to be in that conversation.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, I think I would list him third. If I
were making my own ballot, it would be Travis at
the time, and then Janti get the you know, the second,
and then kind of more third.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Well, what about the Dylan Gabriel from Oregon. Look, I
know you gave me the bitter beer face, but once again,
let's think about what the Heisman Trophy is.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
It's supposed to be the most outstanding player in college fall,
not the most outstanding quarterback, not the end.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
But I know you're saying that, but this is how
it works. We give the quarterback and we propped them
up on the pediac. Bush won the quarterback. Yes, but
Reggie Bush was special, like he was at school with
Matt Lioner, and Matt Lioner was not putting up numbers
like him. His whole thing was let me get.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
The ball to Reggie and Rachel Lyndelle.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Exactly and let those guys definitely work for me. So
Matt was never in that conversation in that particular way.
But when we live in a quarterback driven league, as
they say, as we talk about NFL and college football here,
but so much of it leans heavily on the quarterback.
But if you lose a game and you pursuit of
(25:00):
the Heisman, that is going to have a substantial impact
on you and Heisman voters in the way they think sometimes.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, I mean, I hope they don't mess this up
and give it to a quarterback when you've got more
deserving guys, like if it's not gonna be Travis Hunter,
to me, it's got to go to Boise State running
back Chanty. I mean what he is doing is is
I mean it makes even Reggie.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Bush look you know wait, wait, wait, hold on, now,
I think you getting too far ahead the difference.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
So Reggie was on a team that had weapons everywhere.
They had weapons at receiver that would played the way
Kanty is the offense.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
This is like, yeah, come on now, let's be totally honest.
If Reggie Bush was on any other team not named
the USC Trojan during that time, he still was going
to put up numbers because he would.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Have been what he got. He wouldn't have had that
offensive line that all went to the pros, the receivers
that pros R used to watch it up close and personally, yes,
when they came and trounced my beloved razorbacks seventy to something,
They're in fanfield.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
And then Reggie's running down the field, he stopped, puts
on to break. The guy goes.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
They guys like the third and four string running backs
in that game because they were like, we don't even
need to run Retchie anymore.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Look that Heisman Trophy award, it's supposed to be given
to the best player. Oftentimes he's just kind of give
it to quarterbacks. I'm of the frame of mind just
kind of look at the whole field and ask who
is changing the landscape of college football. And once again,
each voter, depending on where you live, what games are
(26:28):
you watching, you always wonder what kind of bias comes
into the picture to determine whether a guy stands up
on that stage Dolo by himself to say that he
is a Heisman Trophy winner of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I just feel like Hunter and Janti are far and
away the two options here. I can't imagine anybody who's
not a relative of cam Ward or a Miami fan
saying that Ward would be the guy at this point
ahead of those two. Not to say that Ward shouldn't
win the Davey O'Brien Award, but I can't. You can't
say that he's the most outstanding player in college football
aead of those two guys.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Well, look, if Miami continues on this pace and they're
undefeated and we get to the back half or the
early part of December, I mean, obviously that is going
to build a lot of praise for cam War And
there's people I know in the three h five right
now who are already pounding the table before that.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Going back to a Broncos country tonight live from Sam's
Number three in Glendale. Bet you all bright, Nick Ferguson
here with you five six six nine zero. Here's the
text line, Nick, we have the major question of the day.
We've talked a little bit about the Shane Steikin situation
up at Travis Hunter. I've talked about the world series,
but the big question today is when is Nick ferguson
(27:44):
the rose Beard back? What right here on the rundown?
Did you not pay attention to the rundown right now?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I was just looking at this thing and as though
I was coming across that, you were reading that, and
I was like, what when did that become a thing?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
It has become a face trending on Twitter. There's a hashtag, actually,
what's the hass bring back firs beard?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
At least.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Like a like a doctor robotic mustache thing going on there.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
You know what, Ben, I don't think it's going to
come back because for me, I always do a little
something to kind of test my patience and growing face.
Your hair was one of those things because you go
through that in between phase where your face is all
scratchy and people are looking at you like, maybe you
should shave. I did it for eight years, and I know,
(28:38):
you know, some people want me to bring it back.
I don't think. I don't think I'm gonna do it
because I like the clean shaven look. It is very
you know, classic, and I know, we're getting into the
winter months here in Colorado, and usually that's when individuals
start to grow their beard. And look, you know, very
(28:58):
very manly, and you know Grants back at the station,
he has a fine mustache and he has somewhat somewhat
of a beard. So you know, I'm living vicously through
through you guys now. And you know, think about Ryan.
See Ryan has a beard, but he hasn't really allowed
it to grow out, like very man there's.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
A groomed beard. Yeah, this isn't one of those uh
you know I have. I have a soup catcher going.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
On more or less. Like when when you see some
of those guys who are Navy seals serving the military,
those guys for some reason, I don't know if it's
part and you can tell me if it's part of
the core that guys grow out these.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
And may is a fit like that sort they kick
you out if you can't. That's the reason I could never.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Oh so so so that is the reason as to
why no.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
And you have to be clean shaven, you know, when
you're fall like stuff. But that is a kind of
a thing that they do, you know, to distinguish themselves.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
It's like it's like a like a like a tough
man thing.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
So if I think there's there's something to that, I mean,
plus that you know, for a lot of guys, the
beard hides some neck fat, you know. So I'm just saying,
next fit if you are. And it's funny. It's in
the army you get you know, the rangers, which is
the bulkier, you know, bigger guys, and you get s
f guys which are built more like me, you know,
a little skinnier, uh, you know, as far as that goes,
And usually it's it's those the bulkier types that have
the big the big beard.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Well that that is something that that I have noticed
about those guys in the military, that it is like
a like a staple, Like when you see one of
those military guys with you know, a beard, is like,
you know, I'm a no nonsense uh type of guy.
But I don't know, ben, I mean maybe if I
made a wager with someone and I lost the bet,
(30:34):
maybe I would but my beard to grow back, I
must see.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Once again, that's where we miss out.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I don't I don't wager, So the chances of that
happening are slim, uh, slim to none. So you know,
but my wife loves a clean shaven Look how long
eight years?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Eight years? So she was mad at you for eight years.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
And no, I mean it was a little difficult, difficult
for her at first because you grow through that that
phase where it just kind of looked like the mains
or something like that, look exactly exactly and then it
comes full circle. But no, man, it's it's it's great
to do it now when you have a beard is
(31:15):
more grooming, but not having a beard kind of kind
of making sure you shave like every day, or you're
making sure that your face is I don't know by two,
but I.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Use the electric thing right.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
No, no, no, you can't do that. I did that
one time in college and it's scarred at my face.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Oh see, I don't. I don't do the razors like
the mock three. So I think this is a way
once I got out of the army because they I
used to get the razor bird on my neck really bad. Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Now, are you a man that moisturizes your face?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I have been known to moisturize. Okay, there's a there's
a there's a grooming process. Oh I see.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I I wanted to check because some guys oceans I
just won't admit it, and some guys won't do it.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I have no qualms.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Do you do the night.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Creams and stuff like that, the night time lotions? I got,
the vitamin C Seira mill, It's day I got.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Now. My wife had me to try something where it
was kind of like it looked like paper and it.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Looked like and it's like wet you put it on
you like a mask kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Well, yeah, and it made me look like I was, uh,
basically what was it had an electric Yeah? Right, I'm
like what, I got this paper on my face? And
she was like, oh my god, I have to take
a photo of this. I'm like, please, don't do.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
This at all. It did posted immediately she said it
to me.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
She did it, and she definitely posted it, and obviously
it was just kind of all right, man, I love
my wife so much, I'm gonna allow my wife to
put these h facial routines. Yeah, man, So that's how
much I love my wife.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I've done the green tea masks and all that kind
of stuff. You know. Yeah, I I mean, you know what,
everybody's gotta got a regiment as far as that goes.
But okay, well, we've answered the burning question, the Beard's
not coming back, coming back. We're still doing the hashtag
on Twitter, though. We're gonna make this. We're gonna make
this stream round to come back and talk about these
Nuggets and how they've been struggling this season. This Nebroncos
(33:04):
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