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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:34):
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Let's go right out to the ka Common Spirital hotline though,
and bring on our good friend Parker Gabriel at Parker J.
Gabriel on Twitter, Covers of Broncos for the Denver Post
and Parker there's a there's an important college football game
coming up this weekend.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I want to talk about but.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I just don't know how prepared you are to talk
about Notre Dame and Army so Colorado taking on camp,
which may be of secondary importance, although some people in
this market may find it more important.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Yeah, and Wisconsin and Nebraska, which is my alma mater
and the team I covered for five years.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
You never heard of either of them?
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Yeah? Yeah, either or worth both. That the the longest,
the longest tenured offensive coordinator in that game will be
Dana Holgerson at ten days.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Oh my goodness. Yeah, I had to ben thought of that.
But yeah, that is uh, that is something that is
a that is certainly a talking point in that game.
And Dana Olgerson. Man, how why how the Mighty have fallen?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I mean, his star was that it was a rocket
ship ascending a decade and a half ago, and now
he was he was an.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Assistant try just begging to get in.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Somewhere and finds himself falling backwards into the OC spot
in Nebraska.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah, that's about right. I mean's friends with Matt Ruhle,
and he did a whole bunch of uh he did,
I mean, he he did some stuff this offseason, did
the consulting thing at TCU for like two games, now
getting paid seventy thousand a months to be the interermost
in Nebraska. So hey, there's always work, you know, if
you know the right people.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Parker were starting a college football program. I just need
you to be prepared for that. As we look at this,
and I do want to talk about SEU Kansas for
a second. I felt like this was always going to
be the toughest game on the schedule for them. I
had anticipated Kansas being a better football team than they
were going to be this year. However, they appear to
have gotten it together a post by week. They won
three of their last four. The only game they lost
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Kansas State, a two point loss. They look like they're
playing like everyone expected them to play at the start
of the season. Now this could be Colorado's toughest opponent
on the way to perhaps a Big twelve title game appearance.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Yeah, I think you're right, And you're right, Kansas has
played better of late Land Blackwell is really good coach. Obviously,
you know, it's not all that long ago we would
have been laughing about the prospect of either Kansas or
see You being relevant in any way, and so obviously
it's changed for both in recent years. Kansas on you know,
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it's it's just turnovers I think have been mostly their thing.
They've played in some shootouts and so when they don't
turn the ball over, they're tough to beat. But you know,
you has just they've played so well, they're on they're
on such a run. Uh And when you at any
given time, almost no matter who you're playing, have two
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best players on the field. But it's really like the
three best players on the field with Travis Hunter coming
for two and then obviously shoulder standards, You're just you're
gonna be in a lot of games, especially at that
level of talent. So it's amazing. You know, it's kind
of fun talking to guys around the Broncos locker room,
specifically about Travis because you know, anybody you talk to
in the football world is just in awe of what
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he does week in and week out. And so, yeah,
good one. And and you know, Colorado playing for a
conference championship is very quickly becoming like a real possibility.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Well, speaking of possibilities and Colorado based football teams, the
dever Broncos so are all of a sudd and back on.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
The other side of that six and five positive records.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
The next four games look fairly winnable, eminently winnable three
games anyway, and you look at the rest of the
slate here and it's lining up pretty nice for the
Denver Broncos coming off a blowout win over the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
First of all, you know, I hesitate to say.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
That Bonix has arrived, but I am using the phrase
I think we got something here, although again it was
that Atlanta defense was way, way worse than we thought
it was.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Yeah, definitely. I mean I think like it's one of
those things where you can I think you can make
a little bit of no matter what you want, out
of the way Bonix has played over the last six weeks.
I mean, if you want to say that they've ripped
up a couple of bad defenses, that's probably fair. You
want to say that at least some of the production
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has come in blowouts one way or the other. The
fourth quarter against the Chargers, you know, some of the
stuff against the Raiders, and then obviously this past week, Like, okay,
it's fair, but I just also think it's undeniable that
he's made real progress, and so in the same way
that I think it's silly after four games to say,
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oh man, bust, oh man, the Broncos are in trouble.
Oh Man, when is it ever going to click in
any capacity for bo Nicks, I also think it's sort
of silly to say after eleven games, like, yep, here
it is. He's gonna be one of the best quarterbacks
in football for a decade plus. Like let's just you know,
it's sort of like Sean Payton said in his own
way on this conference call on Monday, like let's not
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put him in Canton yet. Let's not say or or
hold him to anything really declarative, and let's just see
how far he can take this rendering his rookieear because
he's obviously having fun, the guys obviously believe in him.
He's done some really good things the past few weeks,
and he's sort of everybody is writing their own story
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week by week, but it feels especially true with him
just give than you know how quickly he's caught on
and now the opportunity is in front of him and
the Broncos talking.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
With Parker Gabriel to never post at Parker J. Gabriel
on Twitter. I think the thing for me is that
we can have it can be an and conversation and
not an over conversation. What I mean by that is
that Boon Knicks can have had a great day and
the Falcons defense can be bad. It doesn't have to
be either, or we don't have to put this in
hot take binary dynamics.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
As far as this stuff goes.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
He can be checking the boxes week after week, beating
up on depleted Saints teams, the bad Panthers, bad Facons, whatever,
but it's undeniable that he also had that same standard
of performance against Kansas City, arguably a super Bowl caliber defense.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Well, right, that's what I mean. Yeah, I was thinking
that as you were talking about. I mean, I think
you know, you could make the argument. Obviously they lost
the game, they scored fourteen points compared to thirty eight
and all of that, and I think that you could
you could make the argument if you wanted to, that
what he did against Kansas City was every bit as impressed,
were maybe more impressive than what he did against a
beat up up Atlanta defense. And to me, like the
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thing that becomes true over the course of time in football,
especially with so much attention, so much you know, data
available at our fingertips, so many people chiming in with
so many different opinions, like the more you play and
the more you win, and the more you do it
in different types of games sort of like the more
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consensus builds around who you are. And then even then,
like rock Berty is multiple years down this road, and
there there is still a weekly argument about, you know,
is he good or not, is he elite or not?
Is he a guy that you want to pay fifty
million dollars a year or not? Like at every way
point along the way, there's discourse unless you're just you know,
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obviously one of the few, you know, very best on
the planet. And so this is probably always going to
be part of the conversation with both Nicks. But I
think when you just take the last few weeks, you know,
a blow out against Carolina, the tough games on the
road against playoff contenders, one with a bad defense and
one with a good defense, then Atlanta, you know, like
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you just build this rolodex of yeah, it looks a
little different every week. He's doing some impressive things every week.
There's things he can improve on every week, like what
more do you need than that? And Denver's in the
playoff conversation eleven games into his career.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I think the more fascinating angle for me at this
point is how good this team actually is despite the
way everybody talked about them at the beginning of the year.
The defense is obviously elite, but it was funny during
the first four games, how you had everybody, well the
offensive line camp protect bow Nicks. Then it was the
receivers couldn't separate, and now all of a sudden.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
It's magic.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
The offensive line is one of the best lines in football.
The receivers can magically start to separate. Oh and by
the way the game slowed down for the rookie quarterback,
everybody should have had patience for in the beginning.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I think that that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I mean, you're talking about sportsbooks that had this team
at a ludicrous I have and a half number for.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
The over runner on wins. Congratulations everybody getting paid this weekend.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
After the Falcons blowouf, I like, I think the thing
to me is how good this team.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Is totally yeah, And you know, I think it's one
of the things like they they have been very good
on defense from the start. They they got blown out
one week in Baltimore, and besides that, they've just been
they've been remarkably consistent and and and really dominant, even
despite the fact that they they haven't gone on a
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big turnover bonanza like they did last year in the
middle of the season. The thing with the offense that's
so interesting, Like I had a question someone, someone had
a question for our mailbag this week about, you know,
sticking with bo Nicks, their struggles early in the season
and all these young guys that struggled early on. I
was I was like, yeah, I mean, that's the point.
The point is, like, look what the Rams did last year.
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They played a bunch of young guys. They weren't very
good early in the season, and they just were betting
that their best chance to be in it at the
end was to take talented young players who didn't have
a lot of experience, let them grow through mistakes, and
bank on them being a lot better in Week twelve
and then in Week sixteen and seventeen and eighteen than
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they were at the beginning of the year. And like,
I think you're seeing some of that with the Broncos,
but they haven't had a true outside of maybe bon Nix,
Like they obviously don't have a Pucuinakura like the Rams
had last year, but they have guys that have learned roles,
and they have guys whom the coaching staff has figured
out how to effectively use. And now you're seeing Devon
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Beley sort of, you know, settle into a role that
fits him and that he can really excel in. You're
seeing them find new ways to use Marvin Mims. You know,
you're seeing Audrick estime looking like even if it's not
every single week, like he can provide fresh, energetic, powerful
legs down the stretch of the season. Like you know,
you're seeing Joan Ellis settle into being a pretty solid
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rotational edge rusher in the NFL as a rookie, which
isn't all that common, especially for like a Day two pick.
You know, all of these guys are sort of finding
their stride and it's sort of a plan coming to fruition,
Like Sean Payne is notoriously you know, reticent to put
a lot to count on young players a lot, but
you know, with some exceptions, like they've stuck with it
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and some of it's by necessity. But now you're seeing
some of the payoff of that, and it looks different
than it looked ten weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
It does talk about Parker Gabriel at Parker J.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Gabriel on Twitter of the Denver Post as we as we,
you know, kind of do this and everyone's basking in
the glow of you know, what should have been at
Kansas City? What did happen with Atlanta coming into town?
Let's do a little sour milk check here real quick, though,
as we look forward to next season, guys like Courtland Sutton,
Garrett Bulls, DJ Chals money numbers that may not make
sense relative to still carrying a cap hit from Russ
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and trying to get younger at some of these positions.
Of those three, how many do you expect to be
back any or all of them?
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Oh? Man, that is a great question. I mean, like
just my gut reaction is zero, but I think I
think one is possible, and frankly like I think two
if possible, I'm not sure it's likely, But like moving
on from Garrett Bowles is not the only way to
sort of like retool the offensive line, and so a
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lot of that comes down to, you know, last year,
I think we all thought, Hey, the defensive front is
really going to need a lot of attention. And I
thought Sean Payton and George Payton said an interesting thing.
They didn't like the draft class all that much, so
they signed Malcolm Roach in free agency, they traded for
John Franklin Myers. They did it that way pro scouting
rather than college scouting. And so if a similar situation
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were to unfold on the offensive line, you could just,
for example, resign Garrett Boles and maybe move on from
somebody else, whether it's been powers or maybe it's at
another position altogether, and sort of like retool rebalance your
books that way too. I don't think that's going to happen,
but I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility.
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Like you've heard Sean Payton last week saying, you know,
show me good offensive line metrics, and I'll show you
a quarterback that doesn't take sacks, that doesn't sound like
a guy who's about to pay twenty million dollars a
year to keep the left tackle. But you never know.
So Corn Thutton, maybe he's played really well the last
four weeks. DJ Jones is one of those where if
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you don't think you can get better. I don't see
why you wouldn't spring him back on a short deal.
But it's a really it's shaking up to be a
good defensive line draft, and maybe they'll try to go
younger that way. And you know they're gonna have to
pay Zach Allen a lot of money at some point
if they want to keep him beyond next season.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Right, talk about Parker Gabriel here, Parker, let me let
me build on that. Then there if they do move
on from Garrett Bowles, how likely do you think the
scenario that you move Mike mcglinchy back over to left
tackle where he played for a while and put Alex
Pelshowski at the right tackle. Al pell looked pretty good
out there when he was filling in for mclenchee.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's possible, and I know
people like I know people jump right to you know,
Mike mcglinchey's sort of like issues in past protection over
his career, but like one way or another. Sean Payton
has talked so much about the effect that bow Knicks
has on their stack numbers that at some point that
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is going to manifest itself and how they manage their
roster like it didn't this year. He's a rookie, you know,
but long term it's going to And if that's saying,
you know, we think we can get away with having Michaemcglinche,
even though he's not the world's best pass corector on
the on the left side, that's one way to do it.
If that's saying, hey, you know, Frank crumbs Rob, but
we think after a full year a redshirt ear you know,
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that might work. That's one way to think about it.
You know, Palcho just seems like a right tackle. He's
played some guards, but like, yeah, I mean, I just
think that some way, shape or form. At some point,
Sean Payton is going to put this theory about bow
Nix being maybe he's the number one ingredient in sack
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suppression to the test.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing that as well. Raiders
week Broncos flying out to take on the Raiders. Do
we see do we are we projecting any hiccups here?
Or is this is as much of a cake walks
as I think it is.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yeah, I don't. I think they'll win. I just think,
like I thought, I don't know what you thought, Ben,
Like I just thought that there was one of two
ways the Atlanta game can go. It right from the start,
and I thought, even you know, we don't see much
of practice, just thirty minutes a day or whatever, but
like they were, they were very clearly locked in all
week and from the start after the Kansas City Games,
really impressive response to that loss. I think that'll continue.
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I just sometimes will mention, like, you know, they haven't
actually won in Vegas yet, that's that'll end at some point.
I think it will be on Sunday, but it just
has been one of those places where bad performances and
weird stuff has happened. So if they come out and dominate,
you know, consider it another box checks on the you know,
vanquishing demons to.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I love how the national media is just all of
a sudden jumping on the bow badwagon. Even they're a
little bow curious. So we look forward to seeing them
continue to do that. Parker, always appreciate talking to you, buddy.
Look forward to us seeing you this week.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yep. But take care, Parker Gabriel at Parker J. Gabriel
on Twitter Denver post. We come back.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
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Speaker 3 (16:21):
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Speaker 1 (16:22):
Appreciate Parker Gabriel for joining me in the last segment,
Ryan Michael for joining us in the last hour, Steve
at Water in the first hour. You missed any of that,
you go to Broncos Country Night dot Com slash podcast.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
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Speaker 4 (16:36):
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Speaker 3 (16:41):
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Speaker 5 (16:47):
The Zach Segers NFL six pack? And right when we
get into question one, you will see why I'm saying
that Daniel Jones has been benched for Tommy DeVito surprisingly
instead of Drew Locke. Do you think this is justifiable
considering locks horrible, tragic, embarrassing, awful, gross, disgusting, nause eight,
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nauseating margin way functional preseason performances or do you think
the Giants are looking to tank with a lesser QB.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Well, preseason performances are generally bad. You have a bad
offensive line to start New York, you have a e
have a worse backup offensive line there, and it's not
surprising that that Drew Locke was unable to perform to
is usually exceptionally high standard, you know, not not having
the proper line play to be able to do that.
I know why they put Tommy DeVito in. It's because
of all the escalators and Drew locks contract. He has
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playtime incentives, win incentives, and all kinds of money tied
to him playing for the New York Giants, So you
just swap him. Put Tommy DeVito in there, who's a local,
local favorite, even though he's also a terrible quarterback.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
And becauselets yeah, you're gonna lose games, you keep the
fans happy because Tommy DeVito is one of us.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Gets to play, and you know you're tanking the season
out before you fire everybody and off Bill Belichick cart
Bloche to take over the New York Giants.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Bill Belichick to the Giants, huh, I think that.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I think the Cowboys that was their initial plan, and
I think they've soured on it a little bit. With
the Belichick thing, I think Cherry wants to go in
a different direction. And I would not be surprised if
the Giants, who have history there, would bring Bill Belichick back.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Then, give him carte blanche. Yeah, that'd be awesome. We're
reminiscing off the Bill Parcells era.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
There well, obviously when Jill was the defensive coordinator and
all that.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
But yeah, you've got some pieces to build around. The
defense is already fairly solid. It needs just a couple
more pieces. The offense needs a lot of work. But
you've got neighbors there already. You've got a couple other
pieces there that are workable.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Two GM Joe Douglas. We hit on this briefly earlier,
fired by the New York Jets following six seasons that
saw Douglas post a thirty and sixty four record no
postseason appearances. Is this the right move considering the recent
collapse of the team and roster, or is someone like
Aaron Rodgers more to blame considering his clear influence over
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personnel decisions.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Prank has a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
They got a bad culture there, whatdy Johnson's two hands on.
Johnson wanted to bench Aaron Rodgers after the uh Broncos law,
the loss of the Broncos that they had, and I
mean he Woody Johnson is a guy who turned down
the trade that was offered. It was Alan Lazard and
a Day three pick for Jerry Judy and to the Broncos,
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and he turned down that pick.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
That trade. There's you know, it's it's a top to
bottom problem.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
You have a quarterback that's running the show on the
field and an owner that's running the show in the
front office, and neither one of those should be the case.
They fired a head coach when they were three or
it was two and three, uh and, and some of
those games have been decided by like missed field goals
at the last second. Obviously Broncos game, Robert Sala was
a scapegoat, and when that didn't work, then they turned
around and made Joe Douglas escapegoat. And neither one of
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them are the problem. Again, it's ownership in the quarterback.
And until they figure out solutions for what are both
of those two, the Jets are going to continue to crumble.
I don't really know who they're going after in terms
of head coach possibilities for next year. I've heard that
they want to look at Mike Rabel, have heard they
want to look at Drew Petsing. It'll be interesting to
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see who else that they kind of take a look
at their ben Jonson is not going to go to
the New York Jets.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Why would he?
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Why would you leave a great situation in Detroit where
you're one of the highest paid offensive coordinators to go
fail with the New York Jets. Not saying that he
would fail, but it just seems like there's a curse
hanging over that entire organization.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yeah. Yeah, so it's you know, I mean, that's at
the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I think the Jets fans who are thinking that they're
going to get, you know, be the cream of the
crowd at the front end of the thing, they're not.
And that defense is going to have to be reworked
because the personnel they have are very specific for what
it is that they run, which was the Robert Solid defense,
and you know, depending on who you get in there,
they may be reworking that whole aspect of the ball too.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Three.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
The latest college football playoff rankings are out, and man,
it looks good. See you Buffs up one spot behind
by you still b Yu at fourteen, Colorado at sixteen.
Another thing that stood out to me, Army up to
number nineteen and four of the top five teams from
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the Big Ten with Indiana and Penn State at four
and five. Are there any surprises in this college football
rankings for you? And should be why you still be
ahead of CU? Well, the absolute.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Slander that there are eighteen better teams than Army in
the country.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I mean, get out of here with that.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Co mom Man Boise at twelve. See, it feels a
little high to me relative to what I've seen. I mean,
Chancey's a heck of a running back, but they are
not a complete football team. They're just beating up on,
you know, teams with having a superior running back.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
So the season came down to the wire against Oregon, right,
But I still don't think that.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I don't think they belong us. Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
On net we'll see other surprises now by you should
still be out of Colorado.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Colorado had the opportunity to beat them and pass them,
and that's fine.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Most of these rankings seem to be setups for games
that are coming.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
To Laying at twenty felt a little weird.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Still feels a little weird, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
I Alwa stated only twenty two. I think UNLV should
be hired in twenty four. But these are minor.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Gripes because I move them up, you know, four or
five places whatever, the fourteen through twenty five, I'd have
it a little different order, but otherwise it would probably
still be the same teams.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
I just think it's hilarious, like, no matter how big
you make the college football playoff, and you've said multiple
times that you think there should be eight teams instead
of twelve, they're still going to be looking at this
this latest ranking. There's going to be a couple of
fan bases and colleges that are going to have real
legitimate gripes about missing the twelve team playoff.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yeah, there are. And that's sort of the thing. I
always felt like eight teams was the perfect number. You
know the P five and then you.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Know the five P five championship teams and then three
at large bids.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
It feels like this is a little much, and.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Now you're gonna get some water down, and then when
you get it water down, you.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Got some other water down teams that are like, well.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
We're watered down two, but we should We could be
able to tail it of this, and no matter what
you do, it's going to be a complaint. I always
felt like the P five champions plus three at large
as was perfect for me.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
But you know, larger format cool, I'll watch it.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Yeah, And like you said, a lot of this stuff
is going to play out. You can see a lot
of the Big twelve teams clustered together, a lot of
the Big team, Big ten teams clustered together.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
And then seven through.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Seven through eleven you've got Alabama, Miami, Ole, Miss Georgia,
and Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I mean, it's all gonna shake.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Out the way it shared four.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Nick Chubb came back from his ACL injury and now
as the second worst EPA per game among NFL running
backs this season minus three point seven. Will we ever
see the pre injury version of Nick Chubb again after
another off season or is it more likely that he's
never quite the same again.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Well, first of all, for those wonderre EPA is expected
points added, it's a metric of what, you know, what
what he adds per play, And that negative three point
seven is pretty bad. And he's coming off a bad injury,
and that injury usually takes a year to heal fully,
you know, and even getting back on the field now,
he's still not back to where he needs to be.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I suspect Nick Chubb will be fine next year.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Maybe not exactly as he was is the elite Nick Chubb,
but it's still very good.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
But he's going to be powering.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Through this the same way Javonte Williams was when he
powered through his stuff. Yeah, you know, he stays out.
He wasn't the same player. It takes you a while
to get back that. You'll have good days and bad
but no, I mean, as far as Nick Chubb goes,
I still think you could see productive seasons out of
Nick Chubb.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
This season is probably a wash.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Although now they got the passing game going now that
Jamis is in there, maybe that'll free some things.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Up for Chubb a little bit.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
I hope so, man, because he's one of the most
exciting running backs in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Win he is healthy.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
On a larger scale, what do you make of the
Browns organization and then where did they go from here
with Deshaun Watson and everything else that's troubling?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Well, the Watson thing was the single I mean, look,
their general manager's kind of a dufus Andrew Berry. He
is not widely respected around the media loves him, but
he's not widely respected around in the league. You know,
and he's a guy who's well anyway, I think he's
good with contracts. I don't think he's good identifying talent.
That's probably the best way to put that back.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
But I don't even know if he'd says say he's
good with a contract.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Well, he is good to contract outside of the Deshaun
Watson thing. The way did they do that?
Speaker 1 (25:30):
But the Watson thing was was just the single most
horrific move they could have made, and giving him a
fully guaranteed deal with no recourse has blown up in
their face. They have no recourse on it. He's going
to continue to be on the payroll. There's nothing they
can do about it.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
He's not good.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
He's clearly following completely off as far as things go.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
He's a very specific office to be successful. Was the
one Bill O'Brien ran for him.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Whatever you think of Bill O'Brien's, the abilities as a
general manager, he's his abilities to play caller are very good.
And so, I mean, the Watson thing has has derailed
that organization and now you're a bit hamstrung by it.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
They've got some creative cap stuff that.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
They can work around it even better, probably than the
Broncos do with the rough stuff, but you can't cut him,
so you basically have to make him an inactive backup quarterback,
you know, and and go from there. So you don't
accelerate his money by cutting him early. And so it's
it's just gonna create an awkward situation all the way around.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
At the end of the day, the Watson things set
them back.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
They've got good players elsewhere and they just need to
retool that thing. I don't think Stefanski firing him. I
don't think that's the answer. I mean, he's a good coach.
They've got they've got, you know, good good coordinators. The
problem has been, you know, quarterback played. Now they got
Jamison there, who as the offense humming, But they've got
to fix some defensive stuff there as well.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
You took the next question out of my mouth if
Sefanski was gonna be there next year.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
But that leads nicely into the next topic.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Five.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
The Bears. We heard the call earlier. They're crushing loss
to the Green Bay Packers. Tough loss this weekend for them.
The Jags got shelled by the Lions. The Cowboys appear
to be the worst team in the NFL. After their
last their performance last night on Monday Night Football and
Antonio Pierce continued his losing streak.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Which head coach is on the hottest seat? Well, all
four of those guys know they're getting fired.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Well Pierce may not know he's getting fired yet, but
the rest of them know they're getting fired.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
So I, you know, I don't know. They're all in
the frying pan.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Mike McCarthy won't be back in Dallas, Doug Peterson's done
in Jackson, Bill Madda Aberfluss is going to be gone
in Chicago, and Antonio Pierce is more than likely going
to be gone with the Raiders as well. I would
be shocked if they don't move on from him.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
So we'll see. We'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
In terms of other coaches that could be fired, and
trying to think off the top of my head, nobody's
jumping out at me right off the bat.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
What about this is personal interests?
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Of course?
Speaker 3 (27:46):
What about Zach Taylor in Cincinnati. I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I think he's gonna get one shot to turn it around.
I think they'll give another year, you know, specifically recognizing
the problems here on the defensive side of the ball,
and you know, and Zach as a head coach, responds
for all of it, but you can't be responsible for
for injuries. I mean, it's and that's really the problem
in Cincinnati. They it's not a talent deficiency. I mean,
they've got a great defensive end. They've they've got Jermaine
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Pratt and the second level is a great player. Right,
They've you know, they moved on from from Bates and
that hurt him a little bit, But I mean they've
they've had an eye for talent, specifically defensively over the
last couple of years. It's just the injury and attrition's
really hurt him this year. And then of course McPherson
Mason kicks. I mean, you know that's not that's not
on coaching. That's not you're on your head coach.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
So it depends on if he's if he's lost the
locker room.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
We saw some interesting comments from Jamar Chase and kind
of kind of leaned towards that. But the the end
of the day, I mean, unless he's lost the locker room,
I can't see you moving on from from Zach Taylor.
To be honest with you, the Brown family who owned
the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
It makes that make sense to you. They're notoriously cheap.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I was gonna say frugal and be nice, but sure,
uh and don't want to pay.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Coaches to not be coaching for them. Yeah, that's a
great point.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
And man, if you could just screenshot Zach Taylor's faces
after those couple Evan McPherson.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Mexico, Yeah, I see that. Yeah, just the.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Right.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
You do everything right and you still find a way
to lose.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
And that is who the Bengals have been this year,
snatching jaws of victory.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
That's right. Sad to say, but true.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Well, you took my final story or Zach Seger's final story,
because you confirmed that the athletics, Zach Rosenblatt and Diana
Rassini were correct and considered when Woody Johnson considered benching
Aaron Rodgers after Week four after their loss to Denver Man.
What an ugly game that was, but a win for Denver, nonetheless.
So we'll pivot to some kicker talk. Justin Tucker's struggles
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have been well known. We talked about him a little
bit last night, but PERNFL dot Com, the Ravens not
considering replacing Justin Tucker, does this surprise you at all?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Not at all.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I mean the memes on on Twitter were a little cool.
You had a whole bunch of like uh like the
Lenny of Mice and men with Harball Walkin Tucker. They're bad,
they were brutal. But uh no, I'm not surprised. First
of all, all Ball is a loyal guy. Uh and Tucker has.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Done so much. I mean, he's he's one of the
greatest kickers of all.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Time, if not the I mean, obviously we talked last
night about how Eddie Piero had actually passed him on
the career completion percentage thing because of the Tucker's many
miss kicks this year. But they'll give him the chance
to kick out the rest of this year. Kicking is
such a head game. I mean, it's not like Justin
Tucker's physical skills have deteriorated. He's not suddenly unable to
push the ball through you know that far down the field.
He's just missing kicks and so you know, you got
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to find a way to get him out of his head.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
And that's a part of what coaching is. You know,
part of coaching is doing that.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
And so if you can find how to get him
out of his own head, get him to quit getting
cases of the tight cheeks and pushing the ball one way,
pushing the ball the other way.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I you know, maybe you can. You can kind of
salvage him for this season and then and then you know,
let him retire gracefully on his own air.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Quote terms after the season.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Yeah, maybe with a Super Bowl ring with the Ravens,
whether potentially.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I mean they played him, played Pittsburgh. I think they're
all right. Or the Raiders.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Yeah, that's that shot that lost still shocks, but I
still don't know how that played out. One bonus question
for you tonight, and it's not even really a question.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I just wanted to point this out.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
One year ago today, some of the biggest history made
and Bronco my country tonight.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah that awful haircut.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yes, anniversary of that horrific haircut that I had. It
came across my memories today on my phone or whatever.
I was like, Oh, I don't For those that don't know,
I went to a new barber to get a haircut.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
I think she may have been intoxicated and did not
do what I asked. I hope that was the excuse.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
It wound up shaving the sides of it and giving
me a haircut that probably best described as something you
would have found in late nineteen thirties early nineteen forties Germany.
I had to be extra careful to make sure I
did not accidentally get dirt anywhere on my lips directly
below my nose while I had that haircut, and thankfully
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it took correcting haircuts after it to get that thing right.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
But thankfully that thing is firmly in the rearview mirror.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
I was not suggesting you to grow out a mustache
during that haircut time.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Yeah, it was. It was really bad. That was a really,
really bad haircut. I thought maybe you'd bring it back
for us.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
It's so much fun with it, you know, the.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Fondness and sentimentality. Let me let me get right on that,
Let me bring that thing back. It was. It was awful.
Like I said, it looked like it.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Belonged on the leader of Germany in a in a dark,
dark time.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
It was. It was just a bad haircut. And I
never went back.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I like I was, you know, I was like I
just the ladies like holding the mirror up and I'm
looking at it, just horrified, not knowing what to say,
so I just kind of give it the.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Silent nod and was like, do I have to shave
my head now?
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Like?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Do I have to do? I have to shave it
all off?
Speaker 5 (32:46):
You know that might have been the best thing for
you to do, but you rocked it like a champ
for a while.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I just just like, you know what, I'm just going
to suffer through and then nothing phazes me.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
And also I have ball caps still waiting on that
new Jenkin Zilly.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Tim looking at you, buddy, Uh need that that white
T shirt that I ordered off the website six years ago? Hey,
I haven't seen anything in the man. I had a
white long sleeve Jenkins Elite T shirt that I ordered
off the website. We could, you know, because I literally
did like the test purchase when they set it up
or whatever. Yeah, but that twenty dollars T shirt never
got The shirt failed to test. Somebody out there's wearing
my white Jenkins Eleait longs leave tea and I'm upset
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about it.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Still Broccos Country to Night back in for this
Welcome to it Broncos Country Tonight, Benjamin Albright, Gret smith Man,
The Myth the Mustache.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
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Speaker 1 (00:34):
Thanks to Ryan Michael for joining me in the last segment,
Steve Attwater joining me in the first hour. Are you
missiting that you go to Broncos Counrynight dot Com Slash Podcast.
Let's go right out to the ka Common Spirital hotline though,
and bring on our good friend Parker Gabriel at Parker J.
Gabriel on Twitter, Covers of Broncos for the Denver Post
and Parker there's a there's an important college football game
coming up this weekend.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I want to talk about but.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I just don't know how prepared you are to talk
about Notre Dame and Army so Colorado taking on camp,
which may be of secondary importance, although some people in
this market may find it more important.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Yeah, and Wisconsin and Nebraska, which is my alma mater
and the team I covered for five years.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
You never heard of either of them?
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Yeah? Yeah, either or worth both. That the the longest,
the longest tenured offensive coordinator in that game will be
Dana Holgerson at ten days.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Oh my goodness. Yeah, I had to ben thought of that.
But yeah, that is uh, that is something that is
a that is certainly a talking point in that game.
And Dana Olgerson. Man, how why how the Mighty have fallen?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I mean, his star was that it was a rocket
ship ascending a decade and a half ago, and now
he was he was an.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Assistant try just begging to get in.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Somewhere and finds himself falling backwards into the OC spot
in Nebraska.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah, that's about right. I mean's friends with Matt Ruhle,
and he did a whole bunch of uh he did,
I mean, he he did some stuff this offseason, did
the consulting thing at TCU for like two games, now
getting paid seventy thousand a months to be the interermost
in Nebraska. So hey, there's always work, you know, if
you know the right people.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Parker were starting a college football program. I just need
you to be prepared for that. As we look at this,
and I do want to talk about SEU Kansas for
a second. I felt like this was always going to
be the toughest game on the schedule for them. I
had anticipated Kansas being a better football team than they
were going to be this year. However, they appear to
have gotten it together a post by week. They won
three of their last four. The only game they lost
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Kansas State, a two point loss. They look like they're
playing like everyone expected them to play at the start
of the season. Now this could be Colorado's toughest opponent
on the way to perhaps a Big twelve title game appearance.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Yeah, I think you're right, And you're right, Kansas has
played better of late Land Blackwell is really good coach. Obviously,
you know, it's not all that long ago we would
have been laughing about the prospect of either Kansas or
see You being relevant in any way, and so obviously
it's changed for both in recent years. Kansas on you know,
(03:01):
it's it's just turnovers I think have been mostly their thing.
They've played in some shootouts and so when they don't
turn the ball over, they're tough to beat. But you know,
you has just they've played so well, they're on they're
on such a run. Uh And when you at any
given time, almost no matter who you're playing, have two
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best players on the field. But it's really like the
three best players on the field with Travis Hunter coming
for two and then obviously shoulder standards, You're just you're
gonna be in a lot of games, especially at that
level of talent. So it's amazing. You know, it's kind
of fun talking to guys around the Broncos locker room,
specifically about Travis because you know, anybody you talk to
in the football world is just in awe of what
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he does week in and week out. And so, yeah,
good one. And and you know, Colorado playing for a
conference championship is very quickly becoming like a real possibility.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Well, speaking of possibilities and Colorado based football teams, the
dever Broncos so are all of a sudd and back on.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
The other side of that six and five positive records.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
The next four games look fairly winnable, eminently winnable three
games anyway, and you look at the rest of the
slate here and it's lining up pretty nice for the
Denver Broncos coming off a blowout win over the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
First of all, you know, I hesitate to say.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
That Bonix has arrived, but I am using the phrase
I think we got something here, although again it was
that Atlanta defense was way, way worse than we thought
it was.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Yeah, definitely. I mean I think like it's one of
those things where you can I think you can make
a little bit of no matter what you want, out
of the way Bonix has played over the last six weeks.
I mean, if you want to say that they've ripped
up a couple of bad defenses, that's probably fair. You
want to say that at least some of the production
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has come in blowouts one way or the other. The
fourth quarter against the Chargers, you know, some of the
stuff against the Raiders, and then obviously this past week, Like, okay,
it's fair, but I just also think it's undeniable that
he's made real progress, and so in the same way
that I think it's silly after four games to say,
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oh man, bust, oh man, the Broncos are in trouble.
Oh Man, when is it ever going to click in
any capacity for bo Nicks, I also think it's sort
of silly to say after eleven games, like, yep, here
it is. He's gonna be one of the best quarterbacks
in football for a decade plus. Like let's just you know,
it's sort of like Sean Payton said in his own
way on this conference call on Monday, like let's not
(05:35):
put him in Canton yet. Let's not say or or
hold him to anything really declarative, and let's just see
how far he can take this rendering his rookieear because
he's obviously having fun, the guys obviously believe in him.
He's done some really good things the past few weeks,
and he's sort of everybody is writing their own story
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week by week, but it feels especially true with him
just give than you know how quickly he's caught on
and now the opportunity is in front of him and
the Broncos talking.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
With Parker Gabriel to never post at Parker J. Gabriel
on Twitter. I think the thing for me is that
we can have it can be an and conversation and
not an over conversation. What I mean by that is
that Boon Knicks can have had a great day and
the Falcons defense can be bad. It doesn't have to
be either, or we don't have to put this in
hot take binary dynamics.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
As far as this stuff goes.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
He can be checking the boxes week after week, beating
up on depleted Saints teams, the bad Panthers, bad Facons, whatever,
but it's undeniable that he also had that same standard
of performance against Kansas City, arguably a super Bowl caliber defense.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Well, right, that's what I mean. Yeah, I was thinking
that as you were talking about. I mean, I think
you know, you could make the argument. Obviously they lost
the game, they scored fourteen points compared to thirty eight
and all of that, and I think that you could
you could make the argument if you wanted to, that
what he did against Kansas City was every bit as impressed,
were maybe more impressive than what he did against a
beat up up Atlanta defense. And to me, like the
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thing that becomes true over the course of time in football,
especially with so much attention, so much you know, data
available at our fingertips, so many people chiming in with
so many different opinions, like the more you play and
the more you win, and the more you do it
in different types of games sort of like the more
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consensus builds around who you are. And then even then,
like rock Berty is multiple years down this road, and
there there is still a weekly argument about, you know,
is he good or not, is he elite or not?
Is he a guy that you want to pay fifty
million dollars a year or not? Like at every way
point along the way, there's discourse unless you're just you know,
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obviously one of the few, you know, very best on
the planet. And so this is probably always going to
be part of the conversation with both Nicks. But I
think when you just take the last few weeks, you know,
a blow out against Carolina, the tough games on the
road against playoff contenders, one with a bad defense and
one with a good defense, then Atlanta, you know, like
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you just build this rolodex of yeah, it looks a
little different every week. He's doing some impressive things every week.
There's things he can improve on every week, like what
more do you need than that? And Denver's in the
playoff conversation eleven games into his career.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I think the more fascinating angle for me at this
point is how good this team actually is despite the
way everybody talked about them at the beginning of the year.
The defense is obviously elite, but it was funny during
the first four games, how you had everybody, well the
offensive line camp protect bow Nicks. Then it was the
receivers couldn't separate, and now all of a sudden.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
It's magic.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
The offensive line is one of the best lines in football.
The receivers can magically start to separate. Oh and by
the way the game slowed down for the rookie quarterback,
everybody should have had patience for in the beginning.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I think that that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I mean, you're talking about sportsbooks that had this team
at a ludicrous I have and a half number for.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
The over runner on wins. Congratulations everybody getting paid this weekend.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
After the Falcons blowouf, I like, I think the thing
to me is how good this team.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Is totally yeah, And you know, I think it's one
of the things like they they have been very good
on defense from the start. They they got blown out
one week in Baltimore, and besides that, they've just been
they've been remarkably consistent and and and really dominant, even
despite the fact that they they haven't gone on a
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big turnover bonanza like they did last year in the
middle of the season. The thing with the offense that's
so interesting, Like I had a question someone, someone had
a question for our mailbag this week about, you know,
sticking with bo Nicks, their struggles early in the season
and all these young guys that struggled early on. I
was I was like, yeah, I mean, that's the point.
The point is, like, look what the Rams did last year.
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They played a bunch of young guys. They weren't very
good early in the season, and they just were betting
that their best chance to be in it at the
end was to take talented young players who didn't have
a lot of experience, let them grow through mistakes, and
bank on them being a lot better in Week twelve
and then in Week sixteen and seventeen and eighteen than
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they were at the beginning of the year. And like,
I think you're seeing some of that with the Broncos,
but they haven't had a true outside of maybe bon Nix,
Like they obviously don't have a Pucuinakura like the Rams
had last year, but they have guys that have learned roles,
and they have guys whom the coaching staff has figured
out how to effectively use. And now you're seeing Devon
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Beley sort of, you know, settle into a role that
fits him and that he can really excel in. You're
seeing them find new ways to use Marvin Mims. You know,
you're seeing Audrick estime looking like even if it's not
every single week, like he can provide fresh, energetic, powerful
legs down the stretch of the season. Like you know,
you're seeing Joan Ellis settle into being a pretty solid
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rotational edge rusher in the NFL as a rookie, which
isn't all that common, especially for like a Day two pick.
You know, all of these guys are sort of finding
their stride and it's sort of a plan coming to fruition,
Like Sean Payne is notoriously you know, reticent to put
a lot to count on young players a lot, but
you know, with some exceptions, like they've stuck with it
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and some of it's by necessity. But now you're seeing
some of the payoff of that, and it looks different
than it looked ten weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
It does talk about Parker Gabriel at Parker J.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Gabriel on Twitter of the Denver Post as we as we,
you know, kind of do this and everyone's basking in
the glow of you know, what should have been at
Kansas City? What did happen with Atlanta coming into town?
Let's do a little sour milk check here real quick, though,
as we look forward to next season, guys like Courtland Sutton,
Garrett Bulls, DJ Chals money numbers that may not make
sense relative to still carrying a cap hit from Russ
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and trying to get younger at some of these positions.
Of those three, how many do you expect to be
back any or all of them?
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Oh? Man, that is a great question. I mean, like
just my gut reaction is zero, but I think I
think one is possible, and frankly like I think two
if possible, I'm not sure it's likely, But like moving
on from Garrett Bowles is not the only way to
sort of like retool the offensive line, and so a
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lot of that comes down to, you know, last year,
I think we all thought, Hey, the defensive front is
really going to need a lot of attention. And I
thought Sean Payton and George Payton said an interesting thing.
They didn't like the draft class all that much, so
they signed Malcolm Roach in free agency, they traded for
John Franklin Myers. They did it that way pro scouting
rather than college scouting. And so if a similar situation
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were to unfold on the offensive line, you could just,
for example, resign Garrett Boles and maybe move on from
somebody else, whether it's been powers or maybe it's at
another position altogether, and sort of like retool rebalance your
books that way too. I don't think that's going to happen,
but I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility.
(13:03):
Like you've heard Sean Payton last week saying, you know,
show me good offensive line metrics, and I'll show you
a quarterback that doesn't take sacks, that doesn't sound like
a guy who's about to pay twenty million dollars a
year to keep the left tackle. But you never know.
So Corn Thutton, maybe he's played really well the last
four weeks. DJ Jones is one of those where if
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you don't think you can get better. I don't see
why you wouldn't spring him back on a short deal.
But it's a really it's shaking up to be a
good defensive line draft, and maybe they'll try to go
younger that way. And you know they're gonna have to
pay Zach Allen a lot of money at some point
if they want to keep him beyond next season.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Right, talk about Parker Gabriel here, Parker, let me let
me build on that. Then there if they do move
on from Garrett Bowles, how likely do you think the
scenario that you move Mike mcglinchy back over to left
tackle where he played for a while and put Alex
Pelshowski at the right tackle. Al pell looked pretty good
out there when he was filling in for mclenchee.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's possible, and I know
people like I know people jump right to you know,
Mike mcglinchey's sort of like issues in past protection over
his career, but like one way or another. Sean Payton
has talked so much about the effect that bow Knicks
has on their stack numbers that at some point that
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is going to manifest itself and how they manage their
roster like it didn't this year. He's a rookie, you know,
but long term it's going to And if that's saying,
you know, we think we can get away with having Michaemcglinche,
even though he's not the world's best pass corector on
the on the left side, that's one way to do it.
If that's saying, hey, you know, Frank crumbs Rob, but
we think after a full year a redshirt ear you know,
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that might work. That's one way to think about it.
You know, Palcho just seems like a right tackle. He's
played some guards, but like, yeah, I mean, I just
think that some way, shape or form. At some point,
Sean Payton is going to put this theory about bow
Nix being maybe he's the number one ingredient in sack
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suppression to the test.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing that as well. Raiders
week Broncos flying out to take on the Raiders. Do
we see do we are we projecting any hiccups here?
Or is this is as much of a cake walks
as I think it is.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yeah, I don't. I think they'll win. I just think,
like I thought, I don't know what you thought, Ben,
Like I just thought that there was one of two
ways the Atlanta game can go. It right from the start,
and I thought, even you know, we don't see much
of practice, just thirty minutes a day or whatever, but
like they were, they were very clearly locked in all
week and from the start after the Kansas City Games,
really impressive response to that loss. I think that'll continue.
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I just sometimes will mention, like, you know, they haven't
actually won in Vegas yet, that's that'll end at some point.
I think it will be on Sunday, but it just
has been one of those places where bad performances and
weird stuff has happened. So if they come out and dominate,
you know, consider it another box checks on the you know,
vanquishing demons to.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I love how the national media is just all of
a sudden jumping on the bow badwagon. Even they're a
little bow curious. So we look forward to seeing them
continue to do that. Parker, always appreciate talking to you, buddy.
Look forward to us seeing you this week.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yep. But take care, Parker Gabriel at Parker J. Gabriel
on Twitter Denver post. We come back.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
It's an NFL six pack here on Broncos Country Tonight
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Speaker 1 (16:22):
Appreciate Parker Gabriel for joining me in the last segment,
Ryan Michael for joining us in the last hour, Steve
at Water in the first hour. You missed any of that,
you go to Broncos Country Night dot Com slash podcast.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
But now it's time for an NFL six packs. It's
time for the NFL six pack. I'm gonna trade a lot.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Of insight and insight information you can't find anywhere else. No.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Six the top six NFL headlines, What.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
The Zach Segers NFL six pack? And right when we
get into question one, you will see why I'm saying
that Daniel Jones has been benched for Tommy DeVito surprisingly
instead of Drew Locke. Do you think this is justifiable
considering locks horrible, tragic, embarrassing, awful, gross, disgusting, nause eight,
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nauseating margin way functional preseason performances or do you think
the Giants are looking to tank with a lesser QB.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Well, preseason performances are generally bad. You have a bad
offensive line to start New York, you have a e
have a worse backup offensive line there, and it's not
surprising that that Drew Locke was unable to perform to
is usually exceptionally high standard, you know, not not having
the proper line play to be able to do that.
I know why they put Tommy DeVito in. It's because
of all the escalators and Drew locks contract. He has
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playtime incentives, win incentives, and all kinds of money tied
to him playing for the New York Giants, So you
just swap him. Put Tommy DeVito in there, who's a local,
local favorite, even though he's also a terrible quarterback.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
And becauselets yeah, you're gonna lose games, you keep the
fans happy because Tommy DeVito is one of us.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Gets to play, and you know you're tanking the season
out before you fire everybody and off Bill Belichick cart
Bloche to take over the New York Giants.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Bill Belichick to the Giants, huh, I think that.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I think the Cowboys that was their initial plan, and
I think they've soured on it a little bit. With
the Belichick thing, I think Cherry wants to go in
a different direction. And I would not be surprised if
the Giants, who have history there, would bring Bill Belichick back.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Then, give him carte blanche. Yeah, that'd be awesome. We're
reminiscing off the Bill Parcells era.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
There well, obviously when Jill was the defensive coordinator and
all that.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
But yeah, you've got some pieces to build around. The
defense is already fairly solid. It needs just a couple
more pieces. The offense needs a lot of work. But
you've got neighbors there already. You've got a couple other
pieces there that are workable.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Two GM Joe Douglas. We hit on this briefly earlier,
fired by the New York Jets following six seasons that
saw Douglas post a thirty and sixty four record no
postseason appearances. Is this the right move considering the recent
collapse of the team and roster, or is someone like
Aaron Rodgers more to blame considering his clear influence over
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personnel decisions.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Prank has a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
They got a bad culture there, whatdy Johnson's two hands on.
Johnson wanted to bench Aaron Rodgers after the uh Broncos law,
the loss of the Broncos that they had, and I
mean he Woody Johnson is a guy who turned down
the trade that was offered. It was Alan Lazard and
a Day three pick for Jerry Judy and to the Broncos,
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and he turned down that pick.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
That trade. There's you know, it's it's a top to
bottom problem.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
You have a quarterback that's running the show on the
field and an owner that's running the show in the
front office, and neither one of those should be the case.
They fired a head coach when they were three or
it was two and three, uh and, and some of
those games have been decided by like missed field goals
at the last second. Obviously Broncos game, Robert Sala was
a scapegoat, and when that didn't work, then they turned
around and made Joe Douglas escapegoat. And neither one of
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them are the problem. Again, it's ownership in the quarterback.
And until they figure out solutions for what are both
of those two, the Jets are going to continue to crumble.
I don't really know who they're going after in terms
of head coach possibilities for next year. I've heard that
they want to look at Mike Rabel, have heard they
want to look at Drew Petsing. It'll be interesting to
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see who else that they kind of take a look
at their ben Jonson is not going to go to
the New York Jets.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Why would he?
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Why would you leave a great situation in Detroit where
you're one of the highest paid offensive coordinators to go
fail with the New York Jets. Not saying that he
would fail, but it just seems like there's a curse
hanging over that entire organization.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yeah. Yeah, so it's you know, I mean, that's at
the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I think the Jets fans who are thinking that they're
going to get, you know, be the cream of the
crowd at the front end of the thing, they're not.
And that defense is going to have to be reworked
because the personnel they have are very specific for what
it is that they run, which was the Robert Solid defense,
and you know, depending on who you get in there,
they may be reworking that whole aspect of the ball too.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Three.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
The latest college football playoff rankings are out, and man,
it looks good. See you Buffs up one spot behind
by you still b Yu at fourteen, Colorado at sixteen.
Another thing that stood out to me, Army up to
number nineteen and four of the top five teams from
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the Big Ten with Indiana and Penn State at four
and five. Are there any surprises in this college football
rankings for you? And should be why you still be
ahead of CU? Well, the absolute.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Slander that there are eighteen better teams than Army in
the country.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I mean, get out of here with that.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Co mom Man Boise at twelve. See, it feels a
little high to me relative to what I've seen. I mean,
Chancey's a heck of a running back, but they are
not a complete football team. They're just beating up on,
you know, teams with having a superior running back.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
So the season came down to the wire against Oregon, right,
But I still don't think that.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
I don't think they belong us. Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
On net we'll see other surprises now by you should
still be out of Colorado.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Colorado had the opportunity to beat them and pass them,
and that's fine.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Most of these rankings seem to be setups for games
that are coming.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
To Laying at twenty felt a little weird.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Still feels a little weird, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
I Alwa stated only twenty two. I think UNLV should
be hired in twenty four. But these are minor.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Gripes because I move them up, you know, four or
five places whatever, the fourteen through twenty five, I'd have
it a little different order, but otherwise it would probably
still be the same teams.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
I just think it's hilarious, like, no matter how big
you make the college football playoff, and you've said multiple
times that you think there should be eight teams instead
of twelve, they're still going to be looking at this
this latest ranking. There's going to be a couple of
fan bases and colleges that are going to have real
legitimate gripes about missing the twelve team playoff.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yeah, there are. And that's sort of the thing. I
always felt like eight teams was the perfect number. You
know the P five and then you.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Know the five P five championship teams and then three
at large bids.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
It feels like this is a little much, and.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Now you're gonna get some water down, and then when
you get it water down, you.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Got some other water down teams that are like, well.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
We're watered down two, but we should We could be
able to tail it of this, and no matter what
you do, it's going to be a complaint. I always
felt like the P five champions plus three at large
as was perfect for me.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
But you know, larger format cool, I'll watch it.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Yeah, And like you said, a lot of this stuff
is going to play out. You can see a lot
of the Big twelve teams clustered together, a lot of
the Big team, Big ten teams clustered together.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
And then seven through.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Seven through eleven you've got Alabama, Miami, Ole, Miss Georgia,
and Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I mean, it's all gonna shake.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Out the way it shared four.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Nick Chubb came back from his ACL injury and now
as the second worst EPA per game among NFL running
backs this season minus three point seven. Will we ever
see the pre injury version of Nick Chubb again after
another off season or is it more likely that he's
never quite the same again.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Well, first of all, for those wonderre EPA is expected
points added, it's a metric of what, you know, what
what he adds per play, And that negative three point
seven is pretty bad. And he's coming off a bad injury,
and that injury usually takes a year to heal fully,
you know, and even getting back on the field now,
he's still not back to where he needs to be.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I suspect Nick Chubb will be fine next year.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Maybe not exactly as he was is the elite Nick Chubb,
but it's still very good.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
But he's going to be powering.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Through this the same way Javonte Williams was when he
powered through his stuff. Yeah, you know, he stays out.
He wasn't the same player. It takes you a while
to get back that. You'll have good days and bad
but no, I mean, as far as Nick Chubb goes,
I still think you could see productive seasons out of
Nick Chubb.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
This season is probably a wash.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Although now they got the passing game going now that
Jamis is in there, maybe that'll free some things.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Up for Chubb a little bit.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
I hope so, man, because he's one of the most
exciting running backs in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Win he is healthy.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
On a larger scale, what do you make of the
Browns organization and then where did they go from here
with Deshaun Watson and everything else that's troubling?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Well, the Watson thing was the single I mean, look,
their general manager's kind of a dufus Andrew Berry. He
is not widely respected around the media loves him, but
he's not widely respected around in the league. You know,
and he's a guy who's well anyway, I think he's
good with contracts. I don't think he's good identifying talent.
That's probably the best way to put that back.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
But I don't even know if he'd says say he's
good with a contract.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Well, he is good to contract outside of the Deshaun
Watson thing. The way did they do that?
Speaker 1 (25:30):
But the Watson thing was was just the single most
horrific move they could have made, and giving him a
fully guaranteed deal with no recourse has blown up in
their face. They have no recourse on it. He's going
to continue to be on the payroll. There's nothing they
can do about it.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
He's not good.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
He's clearly following completely off as far as things go.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
He's a very specific office to be successful. Was the
one Bill O'Brien ran for him.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Whatever you think of Bill O'Brien's, the abilities as a
general manager, he's his abilities to play caller are very good.
And so, I mean, the Watson thing has has derailed
that organization and now you're a bit hamstrung by it.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
They've got some creative cap stuff that.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
They can work around it even better, probably than the
Broncos do with the rough stuff, but you can't cut him,
so you basically have to make him an inactive backup quarterback,
you know, and and go from there. So you don't
accelerate his money by cutting him early. And so it's
it's just gonna create an awkward situation all the way around.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
At the end of the day, the Watson things set
them back.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
They've got good players elsewhere and they just need to
retool that thing. I don't think Stefanski firing him. I
don't think that's the answer. I mean, he's a good coach.
They've got they've got, you know, good good coordinators. The
problem has been, you know, quarterback played. Now they got
Jamison there, who as the offense humming, But they've got
to fix some defensive stuff there as well.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
You took the next question out of my mouth if
Sefanski was gonna be there next year.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
But that leads nicely into the next topic.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Five.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
The Bears. We heard the call earlier. They're crushing loss
to the Green Bay Packers. Tough loss this weekend for them.
The Jags got shelled by the Lions. The Cowboys appear
to be the worst team in the NFL. After their
last their performance last night on Monday Night Football and
Antonio Pierce continued his losing streak.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Which head coach is on the hottest seat? Well, all
four of those guys know they're getting fired.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Well Pierce may not know he's getting fired yet, but
the rest of them know they're getting fired.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
So I, you know, I don't know. They're all in
the frying pan.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Mike McCarthy won't be back in Dallas, Doug Peterson's done
in Jackson, Bill Madda Aberfluss is going to be gone
in Chicago, and Antonio Pierce is more than likely going
to be gone with the Raiders as well. I would
be shocked if they don't move on from him.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
So we'll see. We'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
In terms of other coaches that could be fired, and
trying to think off the top of my head, nobody's
jumping out at me right off the bat.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
What about this is personal interests?
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Of course?
Speaker 3 (27:46):
What about Zach Taylor in Cincinnati. I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I think he's gonna get one shot to turn it around.
I think they'll give another year, you know, specifically recognizing
the problems here on the defensive side of the ball,
and you know, and Zach as a head coach, responds
for all of it, but you can't be responsible for
for injuries. I mean, it's and that's really the problem
in Cincinnati. They it's not a talent deficiency. I mean,
they've got a great defensive end. They've they've got Jermaine
(28:10):
Pratt and the second level is a great player. Right,
They've you know, they moved on from from Bates and
that hurt him a little bit, But I mean they've
they've had an eye for talent, specifically defensively over the
last couple of years. It's just the injury and attrition's
really hurt him this year. And then of course McPherson
Mason kicks. I mean, you know that's not that's not
on coaching. That's not you're on your head coach.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
So it depends on if he's if he's lost the
locker room.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
We saw some interesting comments from Jamar Chase and kind
of kind of leaned towards that. But the the end
of the day, I mean, unless he's lost the locker room,
I can't see you moving on from from Zach Taylor.
To be honest with you, the Brown family who owned
the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
It makes that make sense to you. They're notoriously cheap.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I was gonna say frugal and be nice, but sure,
uh and don't want to pay.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Coaches to not be coaching for them. Yeah, that's a
great point.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
And man, if you could just screenshot Zach Taylor's faces
after those couple Evan McPherson.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Mexico, Yeah, I see that. Yeah, just the.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Right.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
You do everything right and you still find a way
to lose.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
And that is who the Bengals have been this year,
snatching jaws of victory.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
That's right. Sad to say, but true.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Well, you took my final story or Zach Seger's final story,
because you confirmed that the athletics, Zach Rosenblatt and Diana
Rassini were correct and considered when Woody Johnson considered benching
Aaron Rodgers after Week four after their loss to Denver Man.
What an ugly game that was, but a win for Denver, nonetheless.
So we'll pivot to some kicker talk. Justin Tucker's struggles
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have been well known. We talked about him a little
bit last night, but PERNFL dot Com, the Ravens not
considering replacing Justin Tucker, does this surprise you at all?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Not at all.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I mean the memes on on Twitter were a little cool.
You had a whole bunch of like uh like the
Lenny of Mice and men with Harball Walkin Tucker. They're bad,
they were brutal. But uh no, I'm not surprised. First
of all, all Ball is a loyal guy. Uh and Tucker has.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Done so much. I mean, he's he's one of the
greatest kickers of all.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Time, if not the I mean, obviously we talked last
night about how Eddie Piero had actually passed him on
the career completion percentage thing because of the Tucker's many
miss kicks this year. But they'll give him the chance
to kick out the rest of this year. Kicking is
such a head game. I mean, it's not like Justin
Tucker's physical skills have deteriorated. He's not suddenly unable to
push the ball through you know that far down the field.
He's just missing kicks and so you know, you got
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to find a way to get him out of his head.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
And that's a part of what coaching is. You know,
part of coaching is doing that.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
And so if you can find how to get him
out of his own head, get him to quit getting
cases of the tight cheeks and pushing the ball one way,
pushing the ball the other way.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I you know, maybe you can. You can kind of
salvage him for this season and then and then you know,
let him retire gracefully on his own air.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Quote terms after the season.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Yeah, maybe with a Super Bowl ring with the Ravens,
whether potentially.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I mean they played him, played Pittsburgh. I think they're
all right. Or the Raiders.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Yeah, that's that shot that lost still shocks, but I
still don't know how that played out. One bonus question
for you tonight, and it's not even really a question.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I just wanted to point this out.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
One year ago today, some of the biggest history made
and Bronco my country tonight.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah that awful haircut.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yes, anniversary of that horrific haircut that I had. It
came across my memories today on my phone or whatever.
I was like, Oh, I don't For those that don't know,
I went to a new barber to get a haircut.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
I think she may have been intoxicated and did not
do what I asked. I hope that was the excuse.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
It wound up shaving the sides of it and giving
me a haircut that probably best described as something you
would have found in late nineteen thirties early nineteen forties Germany.
I had to be extra careful to make sure I
did not accidentally get dirt anywhere on my lips directly
below my nose while I had that haircut, and thankfully
(31:59):
it took correcting haircuts after it to get that thing right.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
But thankfully that thing is firmly in the rearview mirror.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
I was not suggesting you to grow out a mustache
during that haircut time.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Yeah, it was. It was really bad. That was a really,
really bad haircut. I thought maybe you'd bring it back
for us.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
It's so much fun with it, you know, the.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Fondness and sentimentality. Let me let me get right on that,
Let me bring that thing back. It was. It was awful.
Like I said, it looked like it.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Belonged on the leader of Germany in a in a dark,
dark time.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
It was. It was just a bad haircut. And I
never went back.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I like I was, you know, I was like I
just the ladies like holding the mirror up and I'm
looking at it, just horrified, not knowing what to say,
so I just kind of give it the.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Silent nod and was like, do I have to shave
my head now?
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Like?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Do I have to do? I have to shave it
all off?
Speaker 5 (32:46):
You know that might have been the best thing for
you to do, but you rocked it like a champ
for a while.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I just just like, you know what, I'm just going
to suffer through and then nothing phazes me.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
And also I have ball caps still waiting on that
new Jenkin Zilly.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Tim looking at you, buddy, Uh need that that white
T shirt that I ordered off the website six years ago? Hey,
I haven't seen anything in the man. I had a
white long sleeve Jenkins Elite T shirt that I ordered
off the website. We could, you know, because I literally
did like the test purchase when they set it up
or whatever. Yeah, but that twenty dollars T shirt never
got The shirt failed to test. Somebody out there's wearing
my white Jenkins Eleait longs leave tea and I'm upset
(33:19):
about it.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
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