01-13-25 Hour 1 of Broncos Country Tonight

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Thoughts on the game yesterday. Obviously a disappointing result, disappointing

(00:25):
end to what is probably not quite a disappointing season.
Love to hear you guys. Thoughts on the game, Love
to hear you guys, Thoughts on the season as a whole,
Thoughts on next season, to expectations change.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Kp Acosta gonna join us at seven O five, Parker
gabriel Ato five tonight.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Thirty one seven.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Certainly a disappointing and lackluster away to end the season,
as the Broncos honestly got it put to them by
a team.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
That's a lot better than they are. And I think
it's important to note that for several reasons. I think
if you take.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Ownership of that right off the top, I think if
you if you conceptualize that right off the bat, then
you can say, hey, look they are better and that's
where we want to be. And when you can do that,
then you can say, Okay, we're here and they're there.
How do we make this point where we're at meet
that point where they're at, because that's where we want
to be. I think players, I think I think a

(01:27):
playoff beatdown like that can be good. I know it
sucks for morale right at the gate. I did this
because you're like, oh god, that was awful, But when
you look at it, man, that could be a motivating factor.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
That can be something you sit there, your eye on
that and you're like, man, I want that's greatness. I
want a piece of that. I want to be that.
I want to do that next year. And so I'm
not I wasn't as put off by it yesterday as
as a lot of people were. I sat there doing
react with Brian, and I guess I kind of surprised
them when I when I jump on there because I'm not,
you know, wet blanket all. But I'm like, look, you know, yeah,

(01:57):
it's a beatime, which we got it. We got it
handed to us. They kicked our backsides. Good. Now, let's
take that and use that. Now, let's take that. Let's say, okay,
all right, how do we become the guy who's doing
that next year? What do we need to add to
this team? What do the people that are here need
to improve? And So, for me, you know, I'm not

(02:18):
doom and gloom about it. I'm not down about it.
It sucks. It always sucks to.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Ten the season on a loss, but almost every team does.
Every team that makes the playoffs except the Super Bowl winner,
ends the season on a loss. And then you know,
Week eighteen teams, most of them men on a loss,
half of the men on a loss. So you know,
I'm not it sucks, but I'm not sitting here bemoaning it.
I'm looking at this and I'm saying, all right, what
do we gotta do to turn what we've got into

(02:46):
a three course meal?

Speaker 1 (02:47):
We got ingredients, we got we got a whole cupboard. No,
how do we turn this into a meal? And I
think that that's when I was talking about the clock
starting next year, expectations starting next year, to windows starting
next year. That's what I mean. So what better way
to get motivation going into the offseason than to have
you handed to you by a team that ran it

(03:09):
down your throat and you couldn't stop it, a team
that that absolutely stymied you on offense. Zach, when you
h you got done watching that thing after you got
a few tears out of your eyes, and you know,
and then then you had you were wet hanky seekers?
How did you How did you react to uh? How
did you react to the game? Honestly, I feel pretty
good about it all. I think I'm in the same

(03:30):
boat as you. I understand why people are upset, and
I think there's a common h feeling after a game
you know your team loses as a fan to want
to blame someone. Why did they lose this game? You
know what went wrong here? And I just think it
was as simple as you know, the Bills were the
better team. And that's not to say the areas of

(03:50):
the roster coaching staff didn't come up short. I think
they absolutely did, but I mean it was it was
a twenty four point game. Like there's not one or
two or three plays that you switch and the Broncos
win that thing. They just were outclassed. And to your point,
I think it's good they'll learn some lessons from it.
They'll realize, you know, we are a ways off. I

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hope they enter the offseason hungry as a result. I
think if this game ends, like let's just imagine, it
goes the exact same way as that first Chiefs game
where Broncos have every right to win it and they
just don't block up a field goal as time expires,
it gets blocked, and so the Bills advance off that.
I think there's probably a number of young players going
into this offseason rather than like, dang, we got to
keep getting better, like hey, we're already there. You know,

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break here there goes different. We're beating the Bills, and
the Bills are a legit Super Bowl contender. We are there,
and this team hasn't arrived yet. Their only win over
a legit playoff team was that Bucks in Week three.
They've they've got a ways to go, and you know,
they'll have a lot of ammunition to improve this offseason.
I think they will keep taking steps forward, but they

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have to have that hungry mindset. A love a point
you made there, because I think it Dovetail's nice with
what I wanted to get to because it goes both ways,
right and that is that the only playoff team effectively
above five hundred team they beat was the Tampay Buccaneers.
Now I'm not counting the Week eighteen win over the
Kansas City Chiefs future insurance salesman and backups and practice
squads and where I'm not counting at Yeah, we won

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that game, we checked that boxing, get it, But I'm
I'm not counting that was That's like winning a preseason game.
It was ridiculous. The only team we beat was the Bucks,
and the haters are going to throw that at us
all off season, right, and it's true, and we got
to own that. Okay, fair enough, But we were also
a team that was only expected to win five and
a half games. We weren't expected to win those games.

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What do we do with the teams that we were
supposed to beat? We beat them.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
They checked the boxes. They're beating the teams they're supposed
to beat. They're beating the bad teams, they're beating the
middling teams.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Right. So that tells me that if we're.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Looking at this as a as a crawl walk run
phase kind of thing, we're in the walk phase.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
We're not crawling. We're in the walk phase.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
We're upright, we're not jogging or running yet, but we're
in the walk phase. We're checking the boxes on the
things we're.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Supposed to be doing.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Now, we're not at the point where we can compete
with the upper echelans and beat the upper Reschlans.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
We didn't beat Kansas City. I mean we we sort
of did, like you know, a week team. But again
we're they're not really counting that we.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Lost to him an Arrowhead on a game that man,
that one's gonna that's gonna gonna breed some.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Animosity.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
I think at the game of Arrowhead next year we
lost both games to the Chargers.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
You know, uh that that's gonna be one that that
sticks in your in your crawl a little bit. And
and I'm gonna be honest, you know, if the Raiders
do what I think to go to do a head coach,
it's gonna be a lot better next year. That's not
gonna be a gimme. So we're gonna have to step
our game up just to just to maintain in terms
of checking the boxes on the teams we're supposed to
check the boxes on. Plus we get some tough games

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next year at the NFC East. You know, that's a
tough division. You got Philadelphia over there, you got the
Commanders over there. We don't know what Dallas will be
that you got two tough teams in that division. Dallas
is can be tough.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Just depends on you know, where they're at and backs
back and all that stuff. And in the Giants, I mean,
you're probably gonna win those games. But you know, so
there's you know, next year, it doesn't get easier. The
good news for Denver is you sort of you still
wound up in a third place schedule in the AFC West.
Even though you made playoffs, you still wound up as
a third play schedule. So it's not gonna be You're
not gonna be placed in the player of the division champs,
you know, all the way around, and have that schedule,

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so that that's helpful.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
But the expectations start. I think at this point.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I think that if you're the Denver Broncos, this season
was about building the quarterback, exceeding expectations on the five
and a half win, that's it. Next year, I think
the expectations of the playoffs. If you don't make the playoffs,
I think there's a problem you've shown that you can
do it.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
I kind of agree. I mean, I think that should
be the bar. Yes, you made the playoffs this year,
you should make it next year. I think to your point,
like this was somewhat a down year in the AFC,
and the Broncos were able to take advantage of it,
and they got a lot of nice breaks along the way.
And that's not to rob them from what they accomplished
this season. They had a really great season. They dramatically
excited expectations. They should continue to take a step forward.

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But I think you could have a better team next
year who goes nine to eight or ten and seven
and ends up on the outside looking in just because
the breaks that went their way this year go against
them next year. This was an extremely down year for
the Joe Burrow Bengals. They'll probably be better next year.
The Dolphins, you know, if not for a two injury,
are probably the seven seed this year and not the Broncos.

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It's hard to count on to a being healthy, but
those are two teams that are typically in it could
be right back in it. Teams like the Jags that
have recently been in the playoff picture and absolutely plummeted.
The Colts were in it this year. If you know,
Anthony Richardson ever takes a step forward, they could be
a real obstacle for the Broncos. So and what you
just said about Pete Caro and the Raiders, that would

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make them a legitimate team in AFC. So, yes, I
think the expectation, what fans should be demanding is the playoffs.
Have high expectations now. The time of you know, participation
trophies is over. But I think it also should be
noted the AFC is a dang gauntlet right now, and
it's than the NFC.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Right you got three four teams in the NFC, you
got to you know, the the AFC is pretty tough
top to bottom. You've got some gimme games.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
In the AFC. But it's gonna get Vrabel's gonna make
the Patriots better, great, and Drake May getting a year
yeah under him, you know, I mean, you know, we
don't know what the Jags are gonna be. But outside
of that division, most of the other divisions are pretty tough.
The FC West, it's it's.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Pretty tough, especially like I said, if they get Pete Carroll,
the Raiders are't gonna be a pushover the AFC North.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
The worst team they have in THEFC North is what
the Browns, And they're not a pushover. We saw them
here when we're lighting up the scoreboard on it was
it Monday night football, right. The worst team they have
is a brow the second worst team they have in
THEFC North, what the Bengals? You kidding me?

Speaker 2 (09:47):
You know?

Speaker 1 (09:47):
And then you look at you look at the we
just talked about the East at the sound. It's just
it's it is. AFC is tough. It's it's a lot
harder to win in the AFC than it is in
the NFC. And so yeah, I I mean I still
think that you got to I think the bar is set.
Now you've made the playoffs. You got to keep making
the playoffs. That's the new ball to clear. And then
you know, next year you got to, you know, make

(10:07):
the playoffs. Then you gotta win in the playoffs. Then
you got to you know, then you gotta advance. You know.
So like that's where you're at. You're at the walk
stage and you want to hit jog. Next year, we
want to be jogging.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
We want to get to the playoffs, probably win a playoff, game.
We'd like to be in that realm. You know, a
team not not getting you know, getting the Brakes beat
off of the playoffs next year next year in the
opening round is not good enough anymore.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
No, And that's one area I fully agree. If you
if they do make the playoffs next year, they got
to be competitive with those teams. That's the step that
they got to take next year, and I think they
can take it. They have a lot of money to
invest in this roster. Look at how much the young
talent developed this year. I think you should be optimistic
about you know, you're not going to hit on every
draft pick, but uh, you know, the talent you can

(10:48):
continue to infuse into the roster that way, Generally speaking,
it's just yeah, it's can you take care of business
in a very brutal AFC. Bonix is going to have
to take a step forward because every week you're gonna
be going up against a near elite quarterback, and you
know you want to be challenging for division titles, of course,
but just looking at the Chiefs consistently, you know, pulling

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in these one seeds, there's a good chance the way
you get into the playoffs is via wild card, and
that means you can't just you know, limp in like
the Texans in a bad AFC South or the Bucks
in a bad NFC South. You're going to have to
be one of the you know, three best non division
winners in your conference. And as we just laid out,
that's brutally tough in the AFC. It is one of
the things that I saw fans saying in reaction to

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the game, talking about Vance Joseph or the potential of
him not being brought back.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Vance Joseph, Well, he's not getting fired, and anybody doing
that would be a moron.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
I have absolutely no idea where this is coming from.
If Vance Joseph gets a head coaching job, he might
not be here, but getting fired is not on the table.
Vance Joseph is an excellent coach. He's taking this defense
from the seventy point meltdown against Miami last year to
being one of the top defenses in the league this year.
And they only stand to get better as they continue
to oldest thing and get more more comfortable and more

(12:02):
confident in the defense. We people keep coming, well, what
about the last quarter of the season, Guys, our corners
were hurt you're starting to find out. And by the
way finding out the bow news today, it bothers me
the way people are tell everybody's like, oh, he's so
tough and gritty. No, that was dumb.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
You have three traverse fractions in your back playing football
is dumb? Okay, Like, yeah, cool, it is gutsy that
he went out there and played plays to the pain.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
I'm gonna give me a hat tip to that. But
then also that's dumb, Like, it's really dumb.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Like anybody who's ever had traverse fractions in the back
will tell you the same thing. They had to go
get fusion surgery later to bother the rest of their life.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
It's dumb. The last thing you want to do is
go get sixty car crashes a day for five or
six more weeks with traverse fractions in your back. That said,
on the defensive side of the ball, there were injuries.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Riley Mosses came back from a pretty significant injury right
and you could tell he wasn't the same player.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
He was trying to be out there and cut through it.
Pats Or Tan didn't miss any time with a sprained ankle,
had a break, get his ankle and he's out there
playing through it, and that's the reason people were like, well,
Pats attendant looked right against Buffalo. That's why he didn't
look right, you know. So we had our starting two corners,
which are a big part of how you play this defense.

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Because they're gonna be on islands a lot. Vance switched
to his zones to try to help them out. Late
in the season, we saw us get carved up quite
a bit because of that. Right, did you really want
those guys to sit at the Mary Matthis and Levi
Wallace be the starters? Is that what you want?

Speaker 3 (13:27):
No?

Speaker 2 (13:28):
So you got you gotta deal with, you know, with
the hand that you're dealt. Vance Joseph is a fine defensive.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Coordinator and he might make it a fine head coach
again someday. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
I think Vance Joseph gets a lot of guff for
stuff that in't his problem or isn't his fault.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
But the idea that we're gonna fire or Vance Joseph
is silly. It's in the second silliest thing I've heard
in the last twenty four hours, the silliest being the
idea that the Raiders or the Dallas Cowboys We're gonna
hire Dion Sanders to be their head coach. In what
world would that make any sense? Deon Sanders is not

(14:06):
an NFL head coach, that's not what he's not that guy.
He's at his best at the collegiate game, where he's
a salesman, a recruiter that those are his strengths for
creating a college recruiting type atmosphere. He's not an X
as an OS guy. He has guys for that.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Then, whether or not you want to credit Pat Schumer
with being that guy, whatever, But you know, Rob.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Levis didn't that. That's what those guys are there for.
That's what those guys do. They run the offense, the defense.
Deon runs the program. And so I don't know what.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
What is Dion deweek as a head coach at call
in the timeouts? Like, what would he be doing as
an NFL head coach? It didn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
So I don't know where this stuff came from.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
I guess it's it's out there on Twitter or something.
Somebody said it's out there on Twitter. I don't believe
a lick of it. Everything I've heard is Deon staying
at Colorado.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
He's got a contract in front of him right now
that he hasn't signed yet, and most of this stuff
is probably leveraged to get a little more money out
of that. This is commonplace for college head coaches. James Franklin,
Jim Harbaugh, the Urban Meyer before he eventually did Bolt.
I mean, every college coach does this. You've talked about,

(15:12):
you know, the Cowboys potentially maybe having some interest in
uh Sark. Even me hearing that, I'm thinking, Okay, well,
Sark's probably looking to get some more money out of
ut probably, But Sarkisian, those some of those guys who've
been in NFL coaches before.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Sarkisian was an NFL offensive co ordinator with Atlanta and
they had had a top five offense when he was there.
You know, Sarkisian got out of the league because he
had a problem with alcohol, and it took him a
long time to dry out. You know, he finally got
help and and you know, and got himself where he
needed to go. But that was the reason Sarkisian flamed
out in the NFL was alcoholism.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Uh. Jim Harball is already back in the league. He
was successful every stop he went college pro wherever he's
been successful ever he's gone. He obviously he stayed in college.
He didn't take the Broncos job is because he wanted
to win a national championship and then come back to
the pros. That's the only reason he's not the head
coach that never Broncos. Right now, we're all not wearing
daggs and pants and weird glasses.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
You know exactly what I'm talking about. That's the reason
Sean Payton is here is because Jim Harbaugh decided to
go back to Michigan. So you know, there's some of
these guys that can be successful. Urban Meyer tried to.
Urban Meyer flamed out, you know, and and it schematically
had flamed out long before, you know, he was Everything
that was wrong with him was was was brought to

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light on what an abusive person he was.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
So I you know, it's it's the idea that Dion.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Sanders is headed for the league is silly. His defensive
coordinators is a rising star. You know, I think everybody
knows what a known commodity Pat Schumer is, but you know, he's.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Defensive coordinator there. Probably that guy's a rising star.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
There's a lot of talk about that he's gonna get
some maid coach offers next year. If that defense continues
to improve. They just light on personnel. I mean, they
just that's been the problem, and as they continue to
add personnel in Colorado, the defense will get better. The offense,
I mean, we're turning over turning it over at quarterback.
It's going to be interesting to see what this team.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Looks like now that you do Or is gone. So
you know, you get the kid from Liberty trying to
transfer in. You got the young guy. We'll see, we'll
see how all that shakes out.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
But the idea that Deon Sanders is gonna go be
a pro head coach, I don't even understand where that
came from.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
You got to think it's Deon's camp. To your point,
I think it's Deon's camp trying to create some leverage.
That's the only thing that makes sense to me, because
the Raiders were really quick to leak their own counter
report to just absolutely shut it down and say we
have no interest whatsoever in Deon Sanders being our NFL
head coach. So I think it's got to be coming
from Dion's camp. And again, like, who does this story

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coming out benefit Deon Sanders in a potential contract negotiation.
The fact that got blown up so quickly, Uh, it
probably means it won't be to that effective though. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Well, and that's the other thing is you know, I
mean when when when this kind of stuff comes out,
who does his benefit right off of that?

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Who does his benefit? You know?

Speaker 2 (17:54):
I mean, does it benefit Jerry other than keeping the
circus in the eyes on the Cowboys, which he loves.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (17:59):
But reality, I mean, if Jerry Jones fires Mike McCarthy,
who has an identical resume of Sean Payton, to bring
in Dion Sanders, who has no NFL coaching resume, barely
a college coaching resume, and that and that, if it
were to happen and it flamed out, I mean, you know,

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Dallas is already kind of fed up with Jerry's p T.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Bartamantis as the owner. I can't imagine how far that
would go and how much that fan base would turn
on him at that point. We'll have to see Broncos
country nets get in the break. We'll come back up
to this anyway. Za see this back there behind the
glass five six six nine Zeros text line. A lot

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of questions about Dion Sanders and Dallas. It's such a joke, guys.
It's not It's not serious. It's really not. Even with
Jerry Jones, it's not serious. I believe that Jerry would
pull Bill Belichick out of the college ranks before he
would before he get Dion Sanders. No, I just I
don't see it happening with Dion. I it makes no

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sense for any of the sides involved. Really, it wouldn't
even be the best thing for Dion.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
You know.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
I think maybe if you really want to squint and
imagine things, the Raiders, he could get to coach Shadoor
at the next level. Again, he was emotional about that
final game. Maybe you could talk about how he would
be interested in that. I don't see how the Cowboys
job is ultimately good for him or his brand. I
think he would flop and fill and be a laughing stock,

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and that is not good for the Prime brand.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
The other part of this is the question that I
have that I think nobody's asking.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
He's just Shadure want that. Let that young man grow up?
Do you really want a helicopter dad? You know, situation
going on.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
I'll tell you I'm talking to you know, guys, who
are out there.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
On the scouting circuit. They're a little worried about drafting
him and having the you know, the specter of Dion
Sanders commenting on their team all year. It's the LeVar
ball thing. Yeah, exactly what it is. And so you know,
with all due respect to Deon Sanders.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Who wants to be involved as a father, and good,
good for you, you know, good, good for you, Good
for every every father out there that wants to be
involved in their kids' lives.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Excellent.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
That said, uh, you know, Schidor's got to got to
get out from under the you know, get out from
nder That me is on man at some point. And
I tell you, I can tell you of a quarterback
whose dad was way, way too involved and it led
the problems in the locker room. And that was Robert
Griffin the third. His father was way too involved and

(20:31):
it led to problems in that locker room in Washington.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Well imagine if that's the head coach that's involved too,
Like I can't. There is one thing in the college
ranks when you know you're you're like the dictator of
an organization and have all the power with grown men.
I don't think that's gonna fly. It does. A good
quarterback status, the head coach of the team, it does.
It's just that attitude in general doesn't fly. You know,
being a head coach in the NFL is different than

(20:56):
being a head coach in college, and that's why some
guys succeed, like Pete Carroll can do both. And that's
why Nick Saban didn't work out. It's it is that
you you know, being the dictator of a collegiate program
is wildly different. And you know your your PR machine
can do certain things at the collegiate level that it
can't do with the pros, and so I, I, you know,

(21:19):
I just I don't understand. I don't understand that thought
process or that desire. I mean, I get it. It
degenerates clicks.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
So you've got plenty of people out there right now
that are doing the clickbaity thing with all this. The
Raiders came out strongly denied that, and I, you know,
I've been on Twitter tell everybody that was not a
thing that was happening for my I understanding. Dion may
want that job, but the Raiders are not. You know,
he's not even on their interview list. They that's how
little the interested.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Some of the guys you're interviewing you don't really have
interest in, but you interviewed because you have to. Dean's
not even on that list. So I don't, you know,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
I don't know where this stuff springs from other than
the minds of media people trying to gin up some
at some clicks for an article. It just doesn't it
just doesn't make sense. And again, the other the other
side of this for me is you said, yeah, I mean,
shider has.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Got to you know, if you're a real leader, if
you're a real leader, you gotta want to grow on your.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Own, you know what, you become your own man, you know.
And I just I don't see it. I don't I
don't understand it.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
I don't. Uh, there's there's no part of that that
I grasped that. You know. What is the I gonna
do with the NFL vision would be some sort of
Dan Campbell CEO type thing where his personality and confidence
or whatever I guess infects the building. But Campbell came
up in NFL coaching bingo also part of that. Like yes,

(22:39):
he changed the culture at CU. He also brought in
a ton of five stars, Like, two of the top
five picks in this year draft are going to be
Colorado Buffalo's. Right. When was the last time we could
say that? If ever, as much as the culture overall
had a lot to do with it, the fact that
they swept out a lot of you know, Texas state
level players and brought in a lot of four stars
and five stars was was probably the bigger fact. Ultimately.

(23:00):
That's what Dion does though, Like, whatever whatever you think
of him as a as a draw, as a recruiter,
he is. He is a draw to the kids these days,
that environment at Colorado, He's a draw to kids these days.
Whatever you think of him, love him or hate him,
that's a fact.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
There is nothing around that, so you know, and I
think that's the strength of what he is as a coach,
is a is a recruiter or a guy that can
bring top to your talent.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
That's why they wanted Jackson State.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
They had five star guys that should have gone to
Ohio State playing down.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
There, you know, at Jacksonville State or wherever, Like you
had five star recruits played at HBCUs, Dude, Like that's
the reason you won down there.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Now, they when they started winning this year at Colorado.
I'm like, all right, okay, now you're showing me something.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
But I think the one thing you'd like is, uh,
he empowers his coaches on his staff. He's let Pat
Trickman run that offense. He hasn't tried to meddle with
Rob Livingston's defense or Kelly's defense the year before. I
think that's a plus material. What's he doing on game day,
like giving a good pep talking Also, NFL, to your
point about the draw, if you're a freshman in college

(24:03):
like Lil Wayne, being at the game is pretty dang cool.
If you're just NFL, like I don't. I think you're
over that at twenty five or twenty eight, Like it's cool.
There's some novelty to it. But I'm here to do
a job. I'm a professional. I don't really care that
much if Lil Wayne or whoever else is walking us
out of the tunnel. Yeah, I think it's the same way,
and it's that's one of those things I just I

(24:24):
don't understand that.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
So no, And I saw somebody put some odds out
today that had dionn as the leader for the kind
of like you're.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Just throwing money away on this, like, what are we
doing here? This is silly? So you know, Dallas of
course made the weirdest maneuver possible, denying McCarthy an interview
with the Bears, then not offering him a contract, and
then not firing him until after it was too late
for them to do any virtual interviews with either staff
or Kansas City or to draw. They literally can't contact

(24:50):
those people until after the Super Bowl. Now, like you
just for no reason, even if you have no intention
of hiring any of them, and I don't believe Dallas
has any intention of hiring any of them, you cost
yourself the opportunity to even you just you narrowed your
options without in action, you know, like what was the
point of hanging on to Mike McCarthy the extra couple

(25:11):
of days spite? I mean listening to Jerry Jones comments
where I mean he sounded like a high school girl
that just went through a breakup, Like just like, well,
I don't know, we want people who want to be here.
I mean, offered the coach a contract extension he wants
to get paid? How about they got miles to feed? Yeah,
I show act like you want him there? Right? Maybe

(25:33):
it goes both ways. You know, guys that want to
be here. He's sitting in his office. You haven't offered
him a contract. Maybe you're spending too much time on
the set of Landman and not enough time down there
getting the contract up, you know, to your to your
coaching staff. That, oh, by the way, has been phenomenal
the last couple of years. Mike McCarthy has the same
resume as Sean Payton, Like almost the exact same resume

(25:54):
when you get winning percentages when you look at you know,
almost the exact same resume. They've all been in one
super Bowl. The great quarterback they got, you know, they
get you to playoffs most of the time. They've got
pretty similar resumes.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
They're pretty similar in terms of what you're going to
get as a result.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
At his worst season in Dallas has been what they
finished is the nine seed with Cooper Rush playing a
third of the games for him. Like, that's not the
Drey Lance and Cooper Rush out there half the year.
Come on, it just doesn't make sense. And it'd be
one thing if this was a misstep from Jerry Jones.
They just they've done this three times in the last

(26:29):
twelve months, and maybe a fourth with Michaeh. Parsons. That's
the other thing is, can you are they even gonna
be able to pay Michael Parsons? Probably not, because they
put so much money into the offense. By waiting and
waiting and letting the market reset the market, they cost
themselves the opportunity to get in early on any of
that and cost themselves money. And so you know you're
not even gonna pay Michael Parsons. The Eagles have lapped

(26:50):
you in the division. The commanders are now over you.
The commanders used to be sellar dwellers. They took care
defensive coordinator and they put you in their dust. How
about that Dan Quinn and all those people telling me
that guy couldn't coach what I wanted here two years ago?
A giant bleep you to every one of you. You
all wanted Nate Hackett.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
We could have added that you guys wanted nick I
want a fresh offensive mind. Well you got one in fairness,
so Sean Payton's here now, so whatever.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
But you know, I disrespect to Nate Hackett, but even
calling him an offensive mine feels strong. That's what you
guys were saying. All you guys were saying at the
time you you want to reach read that Paul Guy
was the product to Kyle Shenahan, I can't say, Oh
the rest of the things you guys were telling me
you're taking. Then you're giving the punching bag for all

(27:40):
the all those people right now. I was in the club.
I was in the club. Cliff Kingsbury good often hurry
out the club. Yeah, you were the club, he tossed
me up, sitting here and I'm upsitting here now I'm
over to the VIP at the club across the street,
club right right along. How's the party over there? Club Hackett.
We got a great break answer. It's a good answer.

(28:09):
Idge went all right here with you. Fro Zactually hears
back there behind the glass Minicine Vikings taking on the
La rams, but all rams early had nothing La Vikings
driving though at this point maybe he gets some points
here in order to finish out my parlay for the weekend.
A of the Vikings mice two and a half. So
this one started off on the wrong foot for me.
Got justin Jefferson and Sam Donald going bombs away. Always

(28:31):
got a chance, yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
So always gives me the opportunity to bring up Sam
Donald's grandfather, former Marlborough man Dick Hammer.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
That is his real name.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Every chance I have to bring that up, that facto
ate up, every chance, don't have to dump it.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
That's what I'm saying, Like every.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Chance I get to thummit to the SEC, shout out Richard.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
I'm just saying five six, six nine zeros of texts.
I got a lot of people out there tweeting about this,
d on.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Stuff to Dallas and all that kind of stuff. I like,
I don't want to get into it too much anymore.
It I mean, from what I understand, it's it's contract leveraging.
If Jerry Jones does go full circus route with that, okay,
but that's everybody I've talked to you thinks it's a joke.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
So we'll leave it at that. A lot of questions
about Vance and getting fired. I you know, I don't know,
they could always they could do that. I mean, to me,
that would be a monumental mistake, laughably bad mistake. I
can't even begin to express how silly that would be

(29:39):
if they go that route. Vance Joseph turned his defense around.
Vance Joseph brought Zach Allen in here.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
I would be Look if they fired Advance, I wouldn't
be surprised that Colt left hold out next year, hold
out because you have no guaranteed money in your contract
and demand a trade.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Like I would not be surprised. Yeah, so why would
you do that? And to your point, yeah, it's going
to annoy one of your best players, and there's just
no reason to do it. Vance Joseph did an amazing
job with this defense. The theme of this Bronco season,
whether it be Bonix, whether it be the team as
a whole, is outperforming expectations. And I think nowhere is
that more true than on defense. You know, they don't

(30:18):
have Vegas lines for the stuff. But the national media
thought like a big part of the reason why the
Broncos were ranking thirty two or thirty one on all
these roster things was national media thought the defense was
going to be objectively bad, bottom third of the NFL,
and it was maybe the best defense in the NFL
and the driving force in the Broncos making the playoffs.
It would be ludicrous to fire Vance Joseph because he

(30:40):
got torched by Josh Allen, whom win MVP, and if
he doesn't win MVP, it's only because we had like
two historically great quarterbacking seasons this year. It would it
would be so stupid on so many levels to punish
Vance Joseph for Josh Allen's great If Vance Joseph hadn't
been here this year and got in the defense to
where he got the defense, every day would have looked
like that Buffalo game. Every game would have looked like that.

(31:08):
I just I don't understand the infatuation that some of
these fans have with continuing to try to move on
from things that are good and or working. I don't

(31:29):
get it at all. It's one of those things that
just it blows my mind. And then the idea that
you would want to why would you want to fire
Events Joseph again, It just seems to me like I'm
angry that the Broncos lost the playoff game thirty one
to seven, and so heads need to roll. And that's
one thing. If you're the Cults and you're competing for

(31:50):
a playoff spot and you get molly wopped by the
Drew Locke Giants, that that's the case where yeah, maybe
head steed to roll. You made the playoffs, you went
on the road to Buffalo and played the guy playing
quarterback are arguably better than anyone else in the sport
right now, and he played well. I mean, is that
really are we surprised about That's something that we need
to punish the defensive coordinator for, no what like, let's

(32:10):
fire all the defensive coordinators on the bill schedule then.
I mean, right, he's a really good player. Sometimes you
just get beat by a better player. It happens. Yeah,
I mean you can't.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
You can't sit there and pin this loss on the
Broncos defense when the offense scored seven points. The offense
did all of its scoring the first two and a
half minutes of the game, and then they never sniffed
the end zone.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
You gonged a field goal at halftime and that was
the closest you got. So, I you know, you sit
there and you talk about these numbers on you know,
on defense or what wealth the offense does its job.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
This was a thirteen to seven game with ten o
six to go. This is a thirteen with tental six
to go to the third. This was a thirteen to
seven game with three and a half minutes to get
left in the third quarter.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, I think they let go of the rope late
and again we can critique that some but also not
that surprising. We all watched the game. I think we
all came to the same conclusion the players on the
Broncos roster did that Bill's team is a heck of
a lot better than the Broncos team right now, and
I think they let go of the rope and it
got ugly quick. But yeah, for most of that game,
until the final eighteen minutes, it's thirteen to seven, it's

(33:25):
a one possession game. Any Yeah, why are you making
franchise altering decisions off of twelve minutes of football? Yeah, mahs,
no sense, Yeah, it's it's it's absurd. The Broncos said,
what four three or four three and out drives? I mean,
the last drive was four plays and you know, for
negative seven yards. I count that as a three out.
But I mean, you know, Broncos, I mean it was

(33:47):
you had eight plays for sixty one yards and a
turnover on downs and that was arguably your best drive
all day. Through the third quarter though, like you, five
plays seventy yards were touchdown and then you had three
plays four yards, nine plays thirty one yards, eight play
sixty yards for a field goal miss, three plays five yards,
three plays negative one yard, and then the eight play

(34:08):
sixty one yard drive you book ended. I mean, and
it's been the thing for the Broncos this year.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
You come out hot, you come out on the scripts,
look at all right, and then the third quarter after
the half, well you'd lay an egg and the Broncos
late negga the third quarter all year.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yeah, It's just it doesn't make sense to me. I
don't know, it's just so illogical. I think to blame
Vance shows a football peep again. I think this was
one of the most impressive coaching jobs a year long
that I've seen from a Denver Broncos staff. I'm fairly young,
but I mean I think you got the two Super
Bowl teams and the Tim Tebow team. I think those
are the only ones in discussion with this one since

(34:46):
the two thousand or so. I mean, it was an
exceptional coaching job.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
Everyone.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
I remember when rich Gangerello was running a bad offense
and people wanted continuity because you didn't want to be
a tire Fire franchise that was always firing coaches or coordinators.
The entire Fire franchises fire a coordinator like Vance Joseph
because he had a bad fourth quarter in a playoff
game against the Bills after a great season up until then.

(35:13):
That's what the Jerry Jones is and the Dave Teppers
of the world do not our boss. No, he had
to get that one in quick, didn't you. We come back.
We got jpacoms to get to join a Broncos Country
to night. Can't win