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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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the CP JP.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm doing great. Thank you having for having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yeah, absolutely, man, I want to get to start off with.
I mean, it was an epic beating yesterday and obviously
a bad day for Broncos fans overall, but for the season,
it totally seems to be a lot of optimism as
we look forward to next year. What is the national
opinion on this Denver Broncos football team?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Calling this Broncos season anything but of success would honestly
be kind of lying to yourself. I think this team
was extremely successful given everything that happened last year and
playing a rookie quarterback. I think the biggest thing that
the Broncos learned is that you can win games with
this caliber of defense and bo Knicks playing the way
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that he did. I think the biggest thing that I
learned from a national perspective, but specifically about the Broncos
and bon Knicks specifically, was it's okay to make sure
you do the do the things that your quarterback does
well early and then add on as he grows. And
I think that was something that.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I was really.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Intrigued by during the la latter part of the season.
I liked seeing how bow Knicks grew as Sean Payton
started adding more stuff into the playbook and adding different
things and adding more tools to his tool bag. I
think Nicks showed a lot of improvement over the last
part of the season. Of course, there's more to improve on,
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which is why he is a rookie and not a
mutant quarterback right now. But calling this season anything but
a success would be wrong, So I think I think
this team was extremely successful.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I did agree with that, and you know, you threw
out mutant quarterbacks and all pivot to that real quick.
There's a mutant quarterback in this league. That's a rookie
and that's that's Jane Daniels coming out there getting the
playoff win for the Commanders. There were the underdogs in
Tampa on the road. First, was that first rookie quarterback
to win on the road in the playoffs. Since Russell Wilson,
yes exactly is telling me. I just wanted him to
just have to say yes about Russell Wilson's stat I'm
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just trying to mess with as we look at that though.
I mean, the Commanders know they've got the it guy.
They know that, the Broncos think they got the quarterback.
We don't know yet that it's a hit guy. We
don't know that he's the franchise guy. But it looks
like it's heading that way. Would you say that's a
fair characterization of the two.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I think that's fair. I think with the Commanders and
Jaye Daniels, it's clear how much he is the offense.
You know, on a game against Tampa where their run
game wasn't working.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Very well, they weren't very successful on the.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Ground, a lot of their most explosive plays came from
Jade and Daniels creating that really didn't play that well.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Either.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
So you could seem to think that as Daniels is
going to grow, that offense is going to grow around him.
And I think the difference with Daniels and Knicks is
Daniels is the Commander's offense.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Everything that works works.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Because of Jane Daniels. They're scrambles, the scramble that Jane
Daniels has, they are a part.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Of the offense. It's what keeps the offense moving.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
And I think Nicks showed that ability to be able
to create using his legs. But somewhere what I would
like to see.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Him improve, and somewhere where I.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Think Daniels has improved as well is just in his
play against pressure. And that's something that really separates the
good quarterbacks from the elite ones. Things are going not
everything is going to get your perfect. The pocket is
never not going to be picture perfect, but once you
do in those moments is going to separate you from
the great front of good to the great.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
So I think both guys have a lot.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Of way to waste go before we consider them one.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Of the like three or four best quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Obviously, but I'm very I'm going into this off season
for both guys really positive about their growth and excited
to see what they do next year.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I'm with you on that. Talking with JP a cost
I had a cost of thirty two hundred score JP
on Twitter from SB Nations. As we look at this
is interesting because this past quarterback class had a lot
of hype and a lot of hub up around it,
although most of that hype was around other quarterbacks than
those two. You look at Drake May, he Kayleb Williams,
obviously JJ McCarthy. Those guys came in, even Pennix came
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in I think with more hype between the four of
them than Bow and maybe Jade and Daniels. And you know,
Jayden kind of was a guy who rose up and
it says people started to realize how much the league
loved him. But still the other guys it felt like,
garnered more attention. This quarterback class has the potential would
be all time if all these guys pan out. We
saw flashes from Drake may, We saw a few flashes
from Caleb, but probably was in the wrong offense. I
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haven't seen JJ McCarthy, didn't see enough of Penis really
to make decisions there. As we look to this class,
that's coming in New cam Ward schedor Sanders, Jackson Dart
that kind of thing. Are we going to be judgtaposing
these as an old time class versus an old time disappointment.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I think we do that a.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Lot with every QB class, and we tend to say
after one year, you know, this is an all time
great QB class versus this.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
One looks disappointing.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
And I would agree with you on.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
The first year, But.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I also think we should give these guys time. You know,
a lot of these things don't work out immediately. You know,
we've seen that for a young quarterback to succeed or
be real or be.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
One of those elite guys, you have to.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Have the proper things around him early and then he
becomes the guy that you expect him to be. So
I I'm going to lean to say, yes, that we're
gonna look at this class that just came out with Daniels,
with bo Nicks, whatever happens with Pennix and Caleb Williams
and Drake may I remember to look at that as.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
A really, really good quarterback class.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
But I would also say that be a little patient
with this upcoming QB class. We don't know what they're
going to look like in the NFL, So let's give
him a little bit of time with see what they can.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Do patients from fans. What a concept talking with JP
a Costa here, what is the what's the national perspective
on Sean Payton. There's a bit of local scush here.
It's it's sort of, uh, you know, the reputation of
Sean Payton maybe outpacing the results of Sean Payton at times.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
We've seen We've seen the hits. I mean that was
his guy phe Nicks banging the table for him. Uh,
and man was he proven right on that. That said, Uh,
we've seen some clockfast management. We've seen some some frustration
with him at things that probably were on him rather
than on the people he was parking at. What is
the national perspective on Sean Payton?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I think Sean Payton is a really darn good coach.
And I know that's a really like, oh, it's the
basic thing to say, but he is one of the
best coaches in the NFL when you look when you
look at what he did with a rookie quarterback, and
not only what he did, but building that offense around
his strength, not trying to get bowl Nicks to do
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all of the master's level Q being as a rookie,
but just giving him what he knows how to do
well early and then allowing him allowing his offense to
grow as the young quarterback group he leaned into the
strength of the team. Off of the line felled together
really well. He started to find the wide receiver group
grouping and pairing that they could trust. I really, I
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really do think Sean Payton's a really good coach and
a really good designer.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Of an offense.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
And I think that's the biggest thing, you know, he is.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
He's a good coach for a young quarterback, and a.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Young quarterback can grow in this offense. So yeah, I
think the reputation, I think a little bit of the
let's just say a little bit of the stuff that
happened with Russell Wilson might have soured a lot of
people at the end of last season, but this seas improved.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
He's just really good at what he does.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Then he asks and I think that you know, when
you put him up there, I mean, you got to
put him up there with the good coaches. You're going
to be competitive with him. All the time, the question
is exactly how competitive once you get to the playoffs,
how far are you going to go? That's that's sort
of been the I guess the question. But the Broncos
are a team that I don't think can ask that question.
They're a team that hadn't been in the playoffs for
a decade till they just got there, and now you're back.
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So I think there's a sense that this year you
sort of have to have to be happy with that
result and looking forward this year, the expectation on the
Broncos five and a half wins, obviously, I'll pace that.
Is there going to be a playoff expectation nationally for
the Broncos next year?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I believe though, because you've already made it one and two,
this team is still relatively young. This team can still
grow and add in significant places. I think they need
to add a couple of more at the steel positions.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I think adding a tight end or.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Running that I can really kind of tie this offense
together and put them on a string would be.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Really good for them.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I think the defense can stand to add and safety
or another impact player.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
On the back end. So I do think there should
be expectations to make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
But I also say that knowing that the ANFC is
a really tough conference to make the playoffs in. I know,
we kind of look at we kind of look at
the NFC and we see like the top few teams
and then you get a whole bunch of nine and eight.
But if you think about the quarterbacks you have to
go through, not only in the AFC, but in the
Broncos own division, it's going to be really hard to
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make the playoffs again. But with the foundation that they've
set and the expectations that they've set.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I will be surprised if.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
There are a playoff expectation out expectance team to be
competitive or a playoff spot next year's assuming that the
quarterback grows.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, And I think that's that sort of thing. I
think everybody's expectation is that, you know, the bonus will
take the next step. That said, I mean, who knows
what that step is. You go back and you look at,
for instance, is CJ. Stroud down Arry Houston. You know,
everybody was calling him the next Mahomes at the end
of the last year, and then sophomore slump happens. You
get these Defensive coordinators are smart guys. They get a
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season of tape on a rookie and offseason to study it.
They start dissecting your tenancies and that's where that sophomore
slump really comes from. And we see the greats, you know,
begin to overcome that CounterPunch that, and that's that's what
separates the quarterbacks that are gonna last from those that don't.
And so I think that's gonna be a fascinating thing
to watch the coming years to see how people defend
Bonicks next year, because he's not gonna sneak up on
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anybody like you did this year. A little bit.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be a little more difficult,
but again, you're expecting growth. You're affecting continued growth from
this guy and for the offense to grow.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And mature around him. So it's gonna get more difficult.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
But I also think there should be.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
An expectation that with Peyton and.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
The group, the infrastructure that's going to be put around
bow Knicks, this team can still win a lot of games.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I tend to a great go JP a cost to
Anacosta thirty two underscore JP on Twitter several other players.
I wanted to kind of get to maybe a national
perspective guys that aren't household names but really have been
a dominant old year, and I think belonging those national conversations,
guys like Zach Allen, Nick Benito, and John Franklin Myers.
Maybe he gets overshadowed by Allen, but was just as
vital for the Broncos this year. Pats and Tan's a
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big name on this defense, but the front seven really
makes this thing go. What's the national perspective on guys
like Alan and Benito.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I love this front seven. I love watching them go
to work. One of my favorite players to watch in
the entire NFL's DJ Jones because he might not give you.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
A lot as a pass rusher, but he.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Is a monster in the run game. I'll I'll send
out clip watch the fellow. Just here's DJ Jones doing
some really cool stuff. I love watching them play up front.
Zach Allen was incredible this year and a really good
sign of We talked a lot about the success stories
of a Sam Darnold or a Geno Smith, but Zach
Adelanny growing into what he has become in terms of
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just a force, a forceful player consistently is really impressive
and something that should be a testament to good coaching
and good the player development.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I think Nick Bonito really came into his own.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
This season, and I would just like for the I
like for his defense to get a little bigger, you know.
I think something that happened against Buffalo and against a
lot of other teams. That's the Bronco says this season.
They were able to kind of wear down on them
in the wrong game because they were so light. But
I think if they add a little more beef upfront,
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that should kind of take some hits off of Bonito,
off of Jonathan Cooper, off of Ellis, and you'll be
able to rotate them in a little bit more and
keep impressed so they can rush the passion right.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I did to agree there too. They're really going to
have to get a nose tackle. DJ Jones kind of
played that role this year, but that's not naturally his
position a little believe it or not, light for that position.
Probably need a true nose next year to go with
Franklin Myers and Zach Allen up there. Tie up those blockers.
JP Hay really appreciate the time to night and look
forward to hear from you again soon.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Of course, thanks for having me absolutely.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Take care of JP Acosta my SB nation at a
cost of thirty two underscore JP on the Twitter machine
as his Broncos Country tonight, Dave. You look forward to
having him on again down the line. I think I
tend to agree. I mean, it's good to get that
national perspective though, it's good to get that perspective outside
the market on things. Are we missing something that, or
if we come to group think, are we tunnel visioning
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on a lot of this stuff? So I always like
to get always like to get the opinions of guys
like JP out there and maybe get a fresh perspective
on what it is that we're we're missing as in
our insular worlds here in Broncos Country. When we come back,
we'll talk a little bit more about the Deon Sanders stuff.
You got Adam Scheffer putting stuff out about it, you
got Jordan Schultz putting stuff out about it. We'll get
into the nitty gritty on that. Plus what's Dion's buyout
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at Colorado? Somebody work crazy? You have to hire him.
I've got those numbers. When we come back if you're
behind glass five six six nine zero is the text
line a lot of late breaking florry activity on Twitter
talking about Dion Sanders and the Dallas Cowboys. I'll get
to that here in just a second. The Rams the
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Vikings squaring off, and the Rams are putting it to
the Vikings early is the Vikings are just trying to
drop Sam Darnold back too much against an aggressive defense
and it's just not working for him. And and then
you got Stafford carving up the uh, carving up the
Vikings on the other side of this thing. So keeping
an eye on that one as well. Taking your text
in five six six nine, you don't want to hear
your thoughts on the game, on the season, what your
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optimism is for the Denver Broncos next year. Where you're
at with this coaching staff. We've we've seen people, you know,
kind of hint that they'd like to see Van Joseph fired.
I don't understand that. I don't even begin to understand that.
I think that's ludicrous. Uh, But you know, I'm willing
to listen to your, uh, your opinion on it. I'm
willing to listen to uh. I'm willing to have that debate.
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That's what we do on this show. We do listen
to other sides of the arguments, if for nothing else
to try to strength their own right. So five six,
six nine zero and uh, as the Rams take full
control heading into the half here it'll be it's twenty
three to three, now twenty four three after the extra point,
and the Vikings are absolutely getting it handed to them
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right now. I UH, with all the Deon Sanders stuff,
I want to say this, There's there's a couple of reasons.
Everybody I've talked to believes that this is absolute nonsense.
It's clickbait nonsense, that Jerry and Dean are doing each
other a favor. Jerry's helping Deon Sanders get contract leverage.
Deon Sanders gives a Jerry Jones a Rooney rule interview, uh,
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and so that it checks a box for either one.
Nobody I've talked to around the league. No one believes
that Deon Sanders will be hired as the head coach
of the Dallas Cowboys. Everybody I talked to with the
Raiders said he's not even in consideration over there, despite
the reports that you know that that are out there
on that kind of stuff. So with that said, I
got my hands on Deon Sanders contract with the CU
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buffs and the deal that he originally signed, which was
a five year, twenty nine and a half million dollar deal.
It's an average of five point nine per year. He
made five to five in the first year. He got
raised a two hundred thousand every year, and there was
a five million dollar assistant coach salary pool. So there's that. Now.
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The buyout on that started off, and the buyout was
to leave for any job that he would he owed
CU or would have owed see you, fifteen million dollars
if he had left in the first year. That dropped
to ten million dollars this past year, and we were
now in the third year of that deal. So it's
an eight million dollar buyout. Jerry Jones, who's never paid
a buyout his life, would have to pay Colorado eight
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million dollars just to get Deon Sanders. Then he would
have to give Dion Sanders a contract which he's probably
going to be in the ten to fifteen million dollars
per year range, probably a four to five million dollar deal,
and then d N's not coming if he's not getting
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to I mean the whole premise of this would be
to coach Schadeur of the Pros. So at that point
then you got, Okay, we got Dak Prescott. Here are
we sitting Chaduur for a season? Are we putting on?
Are we putting on Dak Prescott immediately? And you probably
have to trade Dak Prescott immediately in an effort to
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be able to get the draft capital for Schador to
begin with to guarantee that you get him. Because if
I'm a team like the Cleveland Browns, you know what
I'm doing. I'm drafted Shador Sanders and Holden Hostage. I'm
playing I'm playing a reverse. Who know, Oh Deon Sanders
doesn't want his kid to come here, We're gonna draft you.
We'll ransom him to you for more. That's ay. I
would say absolutely what I would do if I was Cleveland.
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I always seen Cleveland get created with draft picks before
they took on brock Osweiler's contract and bought themselves draft
picks to do it that way.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
And Andrew Berry's analytically forward thinking. It is the type
of thing they would absolutely one thousand percent too.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
It's the one thing that he that Andrew but I
think Andrew Berry is any good. I don't think he's
too good at EVA players. But the one thing that
he's been good at is manipulating to acquire draft capital.
That's the same thing Sashi used to do before you
know It acquired draft capital. They were he was really
gives another analytic coup, very good at that, and then
all that draft capital end up getting used by uh,
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what's his name of the former Dorsey Dorsey, the chief's
former GM, and Dorsey used it well, and then they
got rid of Dorsey, and then they got rid of
Baker and now they're back in the you know anyway,
I don't want you too much into Cleveland, but I'll
say this, the idea that that Deon Sanders would go
to Dallas, from every single person in the league that
I've talked to, is ludicrous. They're openly laughing at this,
suggesting that that that Dion Sanders is doing this to
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renegotiate his deal with Colorado, which supposedly has a contracted
offer in front of him. I don't have the numbers
on that, but supposedly he has an offer in front
of him. He isn't signed, and everybody I talked to
is convinced that this is a contract ploy from Dion
and a Rooney roll checkbox for Jerry who gets to
be P. T. Barnum and get all the attention back
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on the Dallas Cowboys on that side of things.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
It just that's absolutely what it feels like. It feels
like a side show. That's what the Cowboys have kind
of been about over the last I mean however long,
at least the last half decade. Their actions don't align
with that of a franchise trying.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
To win Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
So I mean again, look at the Ceedee Lamb thing,
look at the Dak Prescott thing. That the Eagles would
have taken care of those contracts years in advance and
would have saved a lot of money, and then they
wouldn't be sweating so hard about.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Paying generational pass rushing talent. Like it's.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Their actions align with that of a franchise that wants
to stay in the headlines, wants attention, and this is
just the latest chapter in it. I think has been
a great head coach for Colorado. I cannot sing his
praises enough. I'm far from a Dion Hayter. I cannot
imagine the path for him being like a high end
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successful head coach in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Mike go Karty had a lot of success.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
In Dallas twelve whin season twelve and season twelve and
season and then into eight win season.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I mean, I don't see Deon Sanders improving upon that.
That's that's that's the other part of this that I'm
getting before we even get to those kinds, just the money. Logistically,
Jerry Jones is not paying. Jerry Jones wouldn't pay eight
million dollars for Jesus Christ to coach his football team.
He said Derek Henry was too expensive. Jerry Jones like, like,
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I don't think you guys are everybody's going He's a billionaire.
A lot of Jerry jones wealth is tied up in
the Dallas Cowboy brand. He doesn't have thirteen billion dollars liquid.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Like.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
That's the thing that people don't wal Jerry Jones is
that he's not a guy who sits out here just
shill it out millions of dollars for no reason. Although
to be fair, he actually is because when he signs
he's bad at negotiating these conds. Tracks waste till last minute,
lets the market dictate to him what he should be paying.
And it's because he has a cap manager guy who
is a buddy of his sons from back in Arkansas
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and used to be a restaurant manager. That's that's their
money guy. That explains a lot, that guy, outside of
his experience with the Dallas Cowboys being a gopher in
a money guy he was. I'm trying to remember what
restaurant like. Little he was like a little Caesars manager
or something. That's insane.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
I mean, if you're Will McClay, i'd be so annoyed
if I was Will McClay, like, you just keep drafting
great players.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Well, Will McClay, you're you keep getting paid, your reputation
keeps growing. You drafted great players. Fair, But I mean
it just look at the annoying to the manager jobs.
Whenever you finally punt whatever, Jerry finally kicks it and
Steven takes over. Yeah, you're right, I just it's it's
I'd be so frustrated.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
It feels like they're doing everything. Draft the quarterback in
the third round and be your set. It's the top
ten guy for the next you know, However, many years
you find a superstar receiver. It picks seventeen find a
generational pass rusher in the teens. I just the things
are going so well from you for you in so
many ways. You're doing the hard things and then you're
shooting yourself in the foot on all the easy things.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
It's painful to watch. Yeah, it's funny. Jerry Jones, who
benched Cooper Rush to save two hundred and fifty thousand dollars,
is not ponying up eight million for Deon sanders buyout,
not to mention his contract and then, oh, by the way,
the entire premise of bringing Deon Sanders on means you're
you're trying to get Shador.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Well, if you're doing that, that means you're burning up
one hundred million dollars in dead cap to move on
from Dak Prescott, which you probably need to move in
order to get the draft capital to get Shador in
the first place, which means you definitely don't have the
cap space for Micah Parsons. So you're gonna slaughter the
entire the one piece on the Dallas defense, it's worth it,
you know what. That defense was held together by Dan
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Quinn and duct tape and Michah Parsons. So you're gonna
bring Shador were in behind the line that's starting to
fall apart, and an offense that's got Ceedee Lamb and
those talboys down will put some good games together down
the stretch. But you probably need a second back. Like
I just I can't even begin to understand how anybody
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would entertain this is serious and not ludicrous. I with
all due respect to move you know what, get out
the way.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
The only people that would immediately be happy with this
movie would probably be Deion Sanders. I mean maybe Shador,
and then the fans of the other nfcast teams. I mean,
if you're Dan Quinn, I'd be ecstatic. I'd be like,
please hire Deon Sanders. This is great news for me.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah, it's I mean, if you are any other team
in the league, you are openly hoping for that. He
has not a He's not he's not an ex Ason
Ols NFL style coach. He's a college culture guy who
gets the young kids by being cool. He's the guy
who raids the transfer portal. You don't have a transfer
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portal in the NFL. Are you gonna get the free
agency guys to come sign with Dion because Dion can
get a little Wayne. Dude, all those guys can afford
to see little Wayne. Anyway. Yeah, it's not gonna be
a needle mover.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
And I mean yes, every other NFL team would be
rejoicing because in what's a very weak quarterback market, Like,
what's the best option out there is Kirk Cousins with
how rough he looked, or Aaron Rodgers and all the.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Headache that comes with that.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Man, if Dak Prescott was out there and we're gonna
take on this contract, actually it will be cheaper for
us because you're eating all this dead cap.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yah.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I mean that would be you take Dak Prescotte on
a vet minimum for a million and a half. Well
he gets all the dead cap, all as Accela, well
as all his money in Dallas gets accelerated. I mean yeah,
that'd be a ice a dream deal.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Everyone in the NFL should be calling Jerry Jones like
this is man, woof, you are onto one here.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I'm just saying like, this is this is exactly what
Jerry does.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
Though.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Jerry is the modern equivalent of P. T. Barnum And
for those of you who don't understand that reference, go
google who pet Barnum and Bailey Circus. P T. Barnum,
the original Carnival Barker.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
P T.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Barnum knew how to get attention. He knew how to make.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Money, oftentimes with ruses and crazy shows and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah, he labeled he labeled the exit in his uh
he had this like like museum kind of deal or whatever,
and he labeled the exit egress, and people didn't know
what that word means. So they would walk through the door.
To be an exit, you have to pay to get
back in. And he put the exit like halfway through
the thing, so if you want to see the rest
of the attractions, and you know, in his in his thing,
he had to pay twice to come back through if
you fell for the egress. Jerry Jones is P T. Barnum.
(25:43):
He's always been p T. Barnum. He's always gonna be
pt Barney. He knows, he knows how to get attention.
There was no reason to wait to fire Mike McCarthy.
But somebody had to make the story all about the
Dallas Cowboys. He wasn't sharing the h the news cycle
with the you know, three playoff games. He's dropping that
news on a Monday So you're not talking about vikings Rams,
(26:04):
You're talking about my McCarthy getting a Houston and now
what Now you're searching for a head coach and you're
floating out through the Dion Sanders thing. Get out of here.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
And I think if you're one of these other coaches
in the market for this job, the handling of the
Mike McCarthy thing, paired with this circus, this looks like.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Jerry Jones is leaning further.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Into his poor decision making rather than learning any lessons
from the minor disaster that was this past season. It's doubling, yes, doubling,
tripling down on his bad behavior. If I was a
head coaching candidate, I would heck no, I don't want
to come here. And I also don't want to be
the guy who's expected to again improve upon Mike McCarthy's
twelve and four win seasons year in and year out.
(26:55):
If you take that Cowboys head coaching job, you better
be winning playoff games very very soon.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, and that's the like Again, just the financial machinations
here don't make any sense. You're basically going to have
to light one hundred and fifty million dollars on fire
before you even get to, hey, is this guy improving us?
To someone within the sound of my voice, anyone within
(27:22):
the sound of my voice, tell me how Deon Sanders
makes the Dallas Cowboys more competitive next year, He's got
what he's gotta bring in, Pat Schirmer. And with all
due respect to Rob Livingston, who's an up and comer,
Rob Livingston, who has one year as a defensive coordinator,
is you gonna go out and get a different DC?
(27:42):
And Mike Zimmer? Mike Zimmer's already there. I mean that
says his buddy. Okay, my Zimmers defense was trash this year.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
It was, and that'd probably be better than Rob Livingston because
he's got a lot more pelts on the wall of
an NFL defense. NFL game planning is not the same
as college game plan or schemes.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
It's a lot more advanced than right in college football,
you're taking you know, you got five six guys and
you're trying Okay, okay, here's where we got a talent
and gap our guy versus your guy. We're gonna try
to exploit that and win football games. Right, unless you're
the top four or five six programs in the country
where You're pretty pretty talented across the board, right, the Oregon's,
the Ohio States, the Alabama's, Georgia's Notre Dame, that kind
(28:18):
of stuff. Right, Everybody else is just trying to exploit
talent advantages and win that way and then hope to
have a shot against those guys the NFL. Everybody's good.
You don't have like even the weak rosters. Right, Look,
even the even the Quentin Jeffersons and the Van Jeffersons,
Quintin Johnston's and the Van Jeffersons of the world just
still better than ninety nine point nine nine nine percent
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of college football players.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Quintin Johnson was one of those matchup nightmare guys right
in college, and then he goes to the NFL and it's.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Like, guy, we cannot play this guy.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Yeah, he was an elite college football player. When you
get to the NFL, When do you get to the NFL,
everybody's good. It is about coaching. It is about scabatic
it's not.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Recruit College football is about recruiting, and that's what Deon
Sanders is good at. That's why Colorado is at a tournay.
He's recruited better athletes to Colorado and credit to him
like he's doing a good job would not be a
great NFLIC. It's just it doesn't translate to your point.
There's the skills, there's not that carry over there. It
is I'm a popleptic that we have national insiders on
(29:22):
TV talking about this right now, humoring that this is
clickbait television. This is clickbait. It's what it is.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Hey, it's everyone going along with the show. It's everyone
your PG Barnum show. No one wants to point out
the Emperor has no clothes here.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
They want to coast. I don't think I wis to
see the Emperor with no clothes in this particular case.
I know, I don't Hugh Jerry Jones stunt. You know,
he just got his acting gig on non Landman. But
people saying he's been stunt doubling as the crypt keeper
for years. It's a Tales from the Crypt reference for uh,
those of you my age that get that, Hey, I
(29:59):
got that one five six six nine Zeros Tex. I
don't want to hear your thoughts on all this. Uh,
we got Parker Gabriel when we come back, it is
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on Twitter Atacosta thirty two underscore, JP. How you doing
the CP JP.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm doing great. Thank you having for having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yeah, absolutely, man, I want to get to start off with.
I mean, it was an epic beating yesterday and obviously
a bad day for Broncos fans overall, but for the season,
it totally seems to be a lot of optimism as
we look forward to next year. What is the national
opinion on this Denver Broncos football team?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Calling this Broncos season anything but of success would honestly
be kind of lying to yourself. I think this team
was extremely successful given everything that happened last year and
playing a rookie quarterback. I think the biggest thing that
the Broncos learned is that you can win games with
this caliber of defense and bo Knicks playing the way
(01:09):
that he did. I think the biggest thing that I
learned from a national perspective, but specifically about the Broncos
and bon Knicks specifically, was it's okay to make sure
you do the do the things that your quarterback does
well early and then add on as he grows. And
I think that was something that.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I was really.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Intrigued by during the la latter part of the season.
I liked seeing how bow Knicks grew as Sean Payton
started adding more stuff into the playbook and adding different
things and adding more tools to his tool bag. I
think Nicks showed a lot of improvement over the last
part of the season. Of course, there's more to improve on,
(01:48):
which is why he is a rookie and not a
mutant quarterback right now. But calling this season anything but
a success would be wrong, So I think I think
this team was extremely successful.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I did agree with that, and you know, you threw
out mutant quarterbacks and all pivot to that real quick.
There's a mutant quarterback in this league. That's a rookie
and that's that's Jane Daniels coming out there getting the
playoff win for the Commanders. There were the underdogs in
Tampa on the road. First, was that first rookie quarterback
to win on the road in the playoffs. Since Russell Wilson,
yes exactly is telling me. I just wanted him to
just have to say yes about Russell Wilson's stat I'm
(02:22):
just trying to mess with as we look at that though.
I mean, the Commanders know they've got the it guy.
They know that, the Broncos think they got the quarterback.
We don't know yet that it's a hit guy. We
don't know that he's the franchise guy. But it looks
like it's heading that way. Would you say that's a
fair characterization of the two.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I think that's fair. I think with the Commanders and
Jaye Daniels, it's clear how much he is the offense.
You know, on a game against Tampa where their run
game wasn't working.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Very well, they weren't very successful on the.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Ground, a lot of their most explosive plays came from
Jade and Daniels creating that really didn't play that well.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Either.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
So you could seem to think that as Daniels is
going to grow, that offense is going to grow around him.
And I think the difference with Daniels and Knicks is
Daniels is the Commander's offense.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Everything that works works.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Because of Jane Daniels. They're scrambles, the scramble that Jane
Daniels has, they are a part.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Of the offense. It's what keeps the offense moving.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
And I think Nicks showed that ability to be able
to create using his legs. But somewhere what I would
like to see.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Him improve, and somewhere where I.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Think Daniels has improved as well is just in his
play against pressure. And that's something that really separates the
good quarterbacks from the elite ones. Things are going not
everything is going to get your perfect. The pocket is
never not going to be picture perfect, but once you
do in those moments is going to separate you from
the great front of good to the great.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
So I think both guys have a lot.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Of way to waste go before we consider them one.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Of the like three or four best quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Obviously, but I'm very I'm going into this off season
for both guys really positive about their growth and excited
to see what they do next year.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I'm with you on that. Talking with JP a cost
I had a cost of thirty two hundred score JP
on Twitter from SB Nations. As we look at this
is interesting because this past quarterback class had a lot
of hype and a lot of hub up around it,
although most of that hype was around other quarterbacks than
those two. You look at Drake May, he Kayleb Williams,
obviously JJ McCarthy. Those guys came in, even Pennix came
(04:35):
in I think with more hype between the four of
them than Bow and maybe Jade and Daniels. And you know,
Jayden kind of was a guy who rose up and
it says people started to realize how much the league
loved him. But still the other guys it felt like,
garnered more attention. This quarterback class has the potential would
be all time if all these guys pan out. We
saw flashes from Drake may, We saw a few flashes
from Caleb, but probably was in the wrong offense. I
(04:56):
haven't seen JJ McCarthy, didn't see enough of Penis really
to make decisions there. As we look to this class,
that's coming in New cam Ward schedor Sanders, Jackson Dart
that kind of thing. Are we going to be judgtaposing
these as an old time class versus an old time disappointment.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I think we do that a.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Lot with every QB class, and we tend to say
after one year, you know, this is an all time
great QB class versus this.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
One looks disappointing.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
And I would agree with you on.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
The first year, But.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I also think we should give these guys time. You know,
a lot of these things don't work out immediately. You know,
we've seen that for a young quarterback to succeed or
be real or be.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
One of those elite guys, you have to.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Have the proper things around him early and then he
becomes the guy that you expect him to be. So
I I'm going to lean to say, yes, that we're
gonna look at this class that just came out with Daniels,
with bo Nicks, whatever happens with Pennix and Caleb Williams
and Drake may I remember to look at that as.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
A really, really good quarterback class.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
But I would also say that be a little patient
with this upcoming QB class. We don't know what they're
going to look like in the NFL, So let's give
him a little bit of time with see what they can.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Do patients from fans. What a concept talking with JP
a Costa here, what is the what's the national perspective
on Sean Payton. There's a bit of local scush here.
It's it's sort of, uh, you know, the reputation of
Sean Payton maybe outpacing the results of Sean Payton at times.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
We've seen We've seen the hits. I mean that was
his guy phe Nicks banging the table for him. Uh,
and man was he proven right on that. That said, Uh,
we've seen some clockfast management. We've seen some some frustration
with him at things that probably were on him rather
than on the people he was parking at. What is
the national perspective on Sean Payton?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I think Sean Payton is a really darn good coach.
And I know that's a really like, oh, it's the
basic thing to say, but he is one of the
best coaches in the NFL when you look when you
look at what he did with a rookie quarterback, and
not only what he did, but building that offense around
his strength, not trying to get bowl Nicks to do
(07:11):
all of the master's level Q being as a rookie,
but just giving him what he knows how to do
well early and then allowing him allowing his offense to
grow as the young quarterback group he leaned into the
strength of the team. Off of the line felled together
really well. He started to find the wide receiver group
grouping and pairing that they could trust. I really, I
(07:33):
really do think Sean Payton's a really good coach and
a really good designer.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Of an offense.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
And I think that's the biggest thing, you know, he is.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
He's a good coach for a young quarterback, and a.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Young quarterback can grow in this offense. So yeah, I
think the reputation, I think a little bit of the
let's just say a little bit of the stuff that
happened with Russell Wilson might have soured a lot of
people at the end of last season, but this seas improved.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
He's just really good at what he does.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Then he asks and I think that you know, when
you put him up there, I mean, you got to
put him up there with the good coaches. You're going
to be competitive with him. All the time, the question
is exactly how competitive once you get to the playoffs,
how far are you going to go? That's that's sort
of been the I guess the question. But the Broncos
are a team that I don't think can ask that question.
They're a team that hadn't been in the playoffs for
a decade till they just got there, and now you're back.
(08:23):
So I think there's a sense that this year you
sort of have to have to be happy with that
result and looking forward this year, the expectation on the
Broncos five and a half wins, obviously, I'll pace that.
Is there going to be a playoff expectation nationally for
the Broncos next year?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I believe though, because you've already made it one and two,
this team is still relatively young. This team can still
grow and add in significant places. I think they need
to add a couple of more at the steel positions.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I think adding a tight end or.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Running that I can really kind of tie this offense
together and put them on a string would be.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Really good for them.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I think the defense can stand to add and safety
or another impact player.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
On the back end. So I do think there should
be expectations to make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
But I also say that knowing that the ANFC is
a really tough conference to make the playoffs in. I know,
we kind of look at we kind of look at
the NFC and we see like the top few teams
and then you get a whole bunch of nine and eight.
But if you think about the quarterbacks you have to
go through, not only in the AFC, but in the
Broncos own division, it's going to be really hard to
(09:32):
make the playoffs again. But with the foundation that they've
set and the expectations that they've set.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I will be surprised if.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
There are a playoff expectation out expectance team to be
competitive or a playoff spot next year's assuming that the
quarterback grows.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, And I think that's that sort of thing. I
think everybody's expectation is that, you know, the bonus will
take the next step. That said, I mean, who knows
what that step is. You go back and you look at,
for instance, is CJ. Stroud down Arry Houston. You know,
everybody was calling him the next Mahomes at the end
of the last year, and then sophomore slump happens. You
get these Defensive coordinators are smart guys. They get a
(10:08):
season of tape on a rookie and offseason to study it.
They start dissecting your tenancies and that's where that sophomore
slump really comes from. And we see the greats, you know,
begin to overcome that CounterPunch that, and that's that's what
separates the quarterbacks that are gonna last from those that don't.
And so I think that's gonna be a fascinating thing
to watch the coming years to see how people defend
Bonicks next year, because he's not gonna sneak up on
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anybody like you did this year. A little bit.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be a little more difficult,
but again, you're expecting growth. You're affecting continued growth from
this guy and for the offense to grow.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And mature around him. So it's gonna get more difficult.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
But I also think there should be.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
An expectation that with Peyton and.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
The group, the infrastructure that's going to be put around
bow Knicks, this team can still win a lot of games.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I tend to a great go JP a cost to
Anacosta thirty two underscore JP on Twitter several other players.
I wanted to kind of get to maybe a national
perspective guys that aren't household names but really have been
a dominant old year, and I think belonging those national conversations,
guys like Zach Allen, Nick Benito, and John Franklin Myers.
Maybe he gets overshadowed by Allen, but was just as
vital for the Broncos this year. Pats and Tan's a
(11:20):
big name on this defense, but the front seven really
makes this thing go. What's the national perspective on guys
like Alan and Benito.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I love this front seven. I love watching them go
to work. One of my favorite players to watch in
the entire NFL's DJ Jones because he might not give you.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
A lot as a pass rusher, but he.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Is a monster in the run game. I'll I'll send
out clip watch the fellow. Just here's DJ Jones doing
some really cool stuff. I love watching them play up front.
Zach Allen was incredible this year and a really good
sign of We talked a lot about the success stories
of a Sam Darnold or a Geno Smith, but Zach
Adelanny growing into what he has become in terms of
(12:02):
just a force, a forceful player consistently is really impressive
and something that should be a testament to good coaching
and good the player development.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I think Nick Bonito really came into his own.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
This season, and I would just like for the I
like for his defense to get a little bigger, you know.
I think something that happened against Buffalo and against a
lot of other teams. That's the Bronco says this season.
They were able to kind of wear down on them
in the wrong game because they were so light. But
I think if they add a little more beef upfront,
(12:35):
that should kind of take some hits off of Bonito,
off of Jonathan Cooper, off of Ellis, and you'll be
able to rotate them in a little bit more and
keep impressed so they can rush the passion right.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I did to agree there too. They're really going to
have to get a nose tackle. DJ Jones kind of
played that role this year, but that's not naturally his
position a little believe it or not, light for that position.
Probably need a true nose next year to go with
Franklin Myers and Zach Allen up there. Tie up those blockers.
JP Hay really appreciate the time to night and look
forward to hear from you again soon.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Of course, thanks for having me absolutely.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Take care of JP Acosta my SB nation at a
cost of thirty two underscore JP on the Twitter machine
as his Broncos Country tonight, Dave. You look forward to
having him on again down the line. I think I
tend to agree. I mean, it's good to get that
national perspective though, it's good to get that perspective outside
the market on things. Are we missing something that, or
if we come to group think, are we tunnel visioning
(13:28):
on a lot of this stuff? So I always like
to get always like to get the opinions of guys
like JP out there and maybe get a fresh perspective
on what it is that we're we're missing as in
our insular worlds here in Broncos Country. When we come back,
we'll talk a little bit more about the Deon Sanders stuff.
You got Adam Scheffer putting stuff out about it, you
got Jordan Schultz putting stuff out about it. We'll get
into the nitty gritty on that. Plus what's Dion's buyout
(13:50):
at Colorado? Somebody work crazy? You have to hire him.
I've got those numbers. When we come back if you're
behind glass five six six nine zero is the text
line a lot of late breaking florry activity on Twitter
talking about Dion Sanders and the Dallas Cowboys. I'll get
to that here in just a second. The Rams the
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Vikings squaring off, and the Rams are putting it to
the Vikings early is the Vikings are just trying to
drop Sam Darnold back too much against an aggressive defense
and it's just not working for him. And and then
you got Stafford carving up the uh, carving up the
Vikings on the other side of this thing. So keeping
an eye on that one as well. Taking your text
in five six six nine, you don't want to hear
your thoughts on the game, on the season, what your
(14:34):
optimism is for the Denver Broncos next year. Where you're
at with this coaching staff. We've we've seen people, you know,
kind of hint that they'd like to see Van Joseph fired.
I don't understand that. I don't even begin to understand that.
I think that's ludicrous. Uh, But you know, I'm willing
to listen to your, uh, your opinion on it. I'm
willing to listen to uh. I'm willing to have that debate.
(14:56):
That's what we do on this show. We do listen
to other sides of the arguments, if for nothing else
to try to strength their own right. So five six,
six nine zero and uh, as the Rams take full
control heading into the half here it'll be it's twenty
three to three, now twenty four three after the extra point,
and the Vikings are absolutely getting it handed to them
(15:17):
right now. I UH, with all the Deon Sanders stuff,
I want to say this, There's there's a couple of reasons.
Everybody I've talked to believes that this is absolute nonsense.
It's clickbait nonsense, that Jerry and Dean are doing each
other a favor. Jerry's helping Deon Sanders get contract leverage.
Deon Sanders gives a Jerry Jones a Rooney rule interview, uh,
(15:39):
and so that it checks a box for either one.
Nobody I've talked to around the league. No one believes
that Deon Sanders will be hired as the head coach
of the Dallas Cowboys. Everybody I talked to with the
Raiders said he's not even in consideration over there, despite
the reports that you know that that are out there
on that kind of stuff. So with that said, I
got my hands on Deon Sanders contract with the CU
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buffs and the deal that he originally signed, which was
a five year, twenty nine and a half million dollar deal.
It's an average of five point nine per year. He
made five to five in the first year. He got
raised a two hundred thousand every year, and there was
a five million dollar assistant coach salary pool. So there's that. Now.
(16:23):
The buyout on that started off, and the buyout was
to leave for any job that he would he owed
CU or would have owed see you, fifteen million dollars
if he had left in the first year. That dropped
to ten million dollars this past year, and we were
now in the third year of that deal. So it's
an eight million dollar buyout. Jerry Jones, who's never paid
a buyout his life, would have to pay Colorado eight
(16:48):
million dollars just to get Deon Sanders. Then he would
have to give Dion Sanders a contract which he's probably
going to be in the ten to fifteen million dollars
per year range, probably a four to five million dollar deal,
and then d N's not coming if he's not getting
(17:09):
to I mean the whole premise of this would be
to coach Schadeur of the Pros. So at that point
then you got, Okay, we got Dak Prescott. Here are
we sitting Chaduur for a season? Are we putting on?
Are we putting on Dak Prescott immediately? And you probably
have to trade Dak Prescott immediately in an effort to
(17:30):
be able to get the draft capital for Schador to
begin with to guarantee that you get him. Because if
I'm a team like the Cleveland Browns, you know what
I'm doing. I'm drafted Shador Sanders and Holden Hostage. I'm
playing I'm playing a reverse. Who know, Oh Deon Sanders
doesn't want his kid to come here, We're gonna draft you.
We'll ransom him to you for more. That's ay. I
would say absolutely what I would do if I was Cleveland.
(17:52):
I always seen Cleveland get created with draft picks before
they took on brock Osweiler's contract and bought themselves draft
picks to do it that way.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
And Andrew Berry's analytically forward thinking. It is the type
of thing they would absolutely one thousand percent too.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
It's the one thing that he that Andrew but I
think Andrew Berry is any good. I don't think he's
too good at EVA players. But the one thing that
he's been good at is manipulating to acquire draft capital.
That's the same thing Sashi used to do before you
know It acquired draft capital. They were he was really
gives another analytic coup, very good at that, and then
all that draft capital end up getting used by uh,
(18:26):
what's his name of the former Dorsey Dorsey, the chief's
former GM, and Dorsey used it well, and then they
got rid of Dorsey, and then they got rid of
Baker and now they're back in the you know anyway,
I don't want you too much into Cleveland, but I'll
say this, the idea that that Deon Sanders would go
to Dallas, from every single person in the league that
I've talked to, is ludicrous. They're openly laughing at this,
suggesting that that that Dion Sanders is doing this to
(18:50):
renegotiate his deal with Colorado, which supposedly has a contracted
offer in front of him. I don't have the numbers
on that, but supposedly he has an offer in front
of him. He isn't signed, and everybody I talked to
is convinced that this is a contract ploy from Dion
and a Rooney roll checkbox for Jerry who gets to
be P. T. Barnum and get all the attention back
(19:12):
on the Dallas Cowboys on that side of things.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
It just that's absolutely what it feels like. It feels
like a side show. That's what the Cowboys have kind
of been about over the last I mean however long,
at least the last half decade. Their actions don't align
with that of a franchise trying.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
To win Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
So I mean again, look at the Ceedee Lamb thing,
look at the Dak Prescott thing. That the Eagles would
have taken care of those contracts years in advance and
would have saved a lot of money, and then they
wouldn't be sweating so hard about.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Paying generational pass rushing talent. Like it's.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Their actions align with that of a franchise that wants
to stay in the headlines, wants attention, and this is
just the latest chapter in it. I think has been
a great head coach for Colorado. I cannot sing his
praises enough. I'm far from a Dion Hayter. I cannot
imagine the path for him being like a high end
(20:11):
successful head coach in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Mike go Karty had a lot of success.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
In Dallas twelve whin season twelve and season twelve and
season and then into eight win season.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I mean, I don't see Deon Sanders improving upon that.
That's that's that's the other part of this that I'm
getting before we even get to those kinds, just the money. Logistically,
Jerry Jones is not paying. Jerry Jones wouldn't pay eight
million dollars for Jesus Christ to coach his football team.
He said Derek Henry was too expensive. Jerry Jones like, like,
(20:39):
I don't think you guys are everybody's going He's a billionaire.
A lot of Jerry jones wealth is tied up in
the Dallas Cowboy brand. He doesn't have thirteen billion dollars liquid.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Like.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
That's the thing that people don't wal Jerry Jones is
that he's not a guy who sits out here just
shill it out millions of dollars for no reason. Although
to be fair, he actually is because when he signs
he's bad at negotiating these conds. Tracks waste till last minute,
lets the market dictate to him what he should be paying.
And it's because he has a cap manager guy who
is a buddy of his sons from back in Arkansas
(21:10):
and used to be a restaurant manager. That's that's their
money guy. That explains a lot, that guy, outside of
his experience with the Dallas Cowboys being a gopher in
a money guy he was. I'm trying to remember what
restaurant like. Little he was like a little Caesars manager
or something. That's insane.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
I mean, if you're Will McClay, i'd be so annoyed
if I was Will McClay, like, you just keep drafting
great players.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Well, Will McClay, you're you keep getting paid, your reputation
keeps growing. You drafted great players. Fair, But I mean
it just look at the annoying to the manager jobs.
Whenever you finally punt whatever, Jerry finally kicks it and
Steven takes over. Yeah, you're right, I just it's it's
I'd be so frustrated.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
It feels like they're doing everything. Draft the quarterback in
the third round and be your set. It's the top
ten guy for the next you know, However, many years
you find a superstar receiver. It picks seventeen find a
generational pass rusher in the teens. I just the things
are going so well from you for you in so
many ways. You're doing the hard things and then you're
shooting yourself in the foot on all the easy things.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
It's painful to watch. Yeah, it's funny. Jerry Jones, who
benched Cooper Rush to save two hundred and fifty thousand dollars,
is not ponying up eight million for Deon sanders buyout,
not to mention his contract and then, oh, by the way,
the entire premise of bringing Deon Sanders on means you're
you're trying to get Shador.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Well, if you're doing that, that means you're burning up
one hundred million dollars in dead cap to move on
from Dak Prescott, which you probably need to move in
order to get the draft capital to get Shador in
the first place, which means you definitely don't have the
cap space for Micah Parsons. So you're gonna slaughter the
entire the one piece on the Dallas defense, it's worth it,
you know what. That defense was held together by Dan
(22:54):
Quinn and duct tape and Michah Parsons. So you're gonna
bring Shador were in behind the line that's starting to
fall apart, and an offense that's got Ceedee Lamb and
those talboys down will put some good games together down
the stretch. But you probably need a second back. Like
I just I can't even begin to understand how anybody
(23:18):
would entertain this is serious and not ludicrous. I with
all due respect to move you know what, get out
the way.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
The only people that would immediately be happy with this
movie would probably be Deion Sanders. I mean maybe Shador,
and then the fans of the other nfcast teams. I mean,
if you're Dan Quinn, I'd be ecstatic. I'd be like,
please hire Deon Sanders. This is great news for me.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah, it's I mean, if you are any other team
in the league, you are openly hoping for that. He
has not a He's not he's not an ex Ason
Ols NFL style coach. He's a college culture guy who
gets the young kids by being cool. He's the guy
who raids the transfer portal. You don't have a transfer
(24:05):
portal in the NFL. Are you gonna get the free
agency guys to come sign with Dion because Dion can
get a little Wayne. Dude, all those guys can afford
to see little Wayne. Anyway. Yeah, it's not gonna be
a needle mover.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
And I mean yes, every other NFL team would be
rejoicing because in what's a very weak quarterback market, Like,
what's the best option out there is Kirk Cousins with
how rough he looked, or Aaron Rodgers and all the.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Headache that comes with that.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Man, if Dak Prescott was out there and we're gonna
take on this contract, actually it will be cheaper for
us because you're eating all this dead cap.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yah.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I mean that would be you take Dak Prescotte on
a vet minimum for a million and a half. Well
he gets all the dead cap, all as Accela, well
as all his money in Dallas gets accelerated. I mean yeah,
that'd be a ice a dream deal.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Everyone in the NFL should be calling Jerry Jones like
this is man, woof, you are onto one here.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I'm just saying like, this is this is exactly what
Jerry does.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
Though.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Jerry is the modern equivalent of P. T. Barnum And
for those of you who don't understand that reference, go
google who pet Barnum and Bailey Circus. P T. Barnum,
the original Carnival Barker.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
P T.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Barnum knew how to get attention. He knew how to make.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Money, oftentimes with ruses and crazy shows and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah, he labeled he labeled the exit in his uh
he had this like like museum kind of deal or whatever,
and he labeled the exit egress, and people didn't know
what that word means. So they would walk through the door.
To be an exit, you have to pay to get
back in. And he put the exit like halfway through
the thing, so if you want to see the rest
of the attractions, and you know, in his in his thing,
he had to pay twice to come back through if
you fell for the egress. Jerry Jones is P T. Barnum.
(25:43):
He's always been p T. Barnum. He's always gonna be
pt Barney. He knows, he knows how to get attention.
There was no reason to wait to fire Mike McCarthy.
But somebody had to make the story all about the
Dallas Cowboys. He wasn't sharing the h the news cycle
with the you know, three playoff games. He's dropping that
news on a Monday So you're not talking about vikings Rams,
(26:04):
You're talking about my McCarthy getting a Houston and now
what Now you're searching for a head coach and you're
floating out through the Dion Sanders thing. Get out of here.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
And I think if you're one of these other coaches
in the market for this job, the handling of the
Mike McCarthy thing, paired with this circus, this looks like.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Jerry Jones is leaning further.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Into his poor decision making rather than learning any lessons
from the minor disaster that was this past season. It's doubling, yes, doubling,
tripling down on his bad behavior. If I was a
head coaching candidate, I would heck no, I don't want
to come here. And I also don't want to be
the guy who's expected to again improve upon Mike McCarthy's
twelve and four win seasons year in and year out.
(26:55):
If you take that Cowboys head coaching job, you better
be winning playoff games very very soon.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, and that's the like Again, just the financial machinations
here don't make any sense. You're basically going to have
to light one hundred and fifty million dollars on fire
before you even get to, hey, is this guy improving us?
To someone within the sound of my voice, anyone within
(27:22):
the sound of my voice, tell me how Deon Sanders
makes the Dallas Cowboys more competitive next year, He's got
what he's gotta bring in, Pat Schirmer. And with all
due respect to Rob Livingston, who's an up and comer,
Rob Livingston, who has one year as a defensive coordinator,
is you gonna go out and get a different DC?
(27:42):
And Mike Zimmer? Mike Zimmer's already there. I mean that
says his buddy. Okay, my Zimmers defense was trash this year.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
It was, and that'd probably be better than Rob Livingston because
he's got a lot more pelts on the wall of
an NFL defense. NFL game planning is not the same
as college game plan or schemes.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
It's a lot more advanced than right in college football,
you're taking you know, you got five six guys and
you're trying Okay, okay, here's where we got a talent
and gap our guy versus your guy. We're gonna try
to exploit that and win football games. Right, unless you're
the top four or five six programs in the country
where You're pretty pretty talented across the board, right, the Oregon's,
the Ohio States, the Alabama's, Georgia's Notre Dame, that kind
(28:18):
of stuff. Right, Everybody else is just trying to exploit
talent advantages and win that way and then hope to
have a shot against those guys the NFL. Everybody's good.
You don't have like even the weak rosters. Right, Look,
even the even the Quentin Jeffersons and the Van Jeffersons,
Quintin Johnston's and the Van Jeffersons of the world just
still better than ninety nine point nine nine nine percent
(28:40):
of college football players.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Quintin Johnson was one of those matchup nightmare guys right
in college, and then he goes to the NFL and it's.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Like, guy, we cannot play this guy.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Yeah, he was an elite college football player. When you
get to the NFL, When do you get to the NFL,
everybody's good. It is about coaching. It is about scabatic
it's not.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Recruit College football is about recruiting, and that's what Deon
Sanders is good at. That's why Colorado is at a tournay.
He's recruited better athletes to Colorado and credit to him
like he's doing a good job would not be a
great NFLIC. It's just it doesn't translate to your point.
There's the skills, there's not that carry over there. It
is I'm a popleptic that we have national insiders on
(29:22):
TV talking about this right now, humoring that this is
clickbait television. This is clickbait. It's what it is.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Hey, it's everyone going along with the show. It's everyone
your PG Barnum show. No one wants to point out
the Emperor has no clothes here.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
They want to coast. I don't think I wis to
see the Emperor with no clothes in this particular case.
I know, I don't Hugh Jerry Jones stunt. You know,
he just got his acting gig on non Landman. But
people saying he's been stunt doubling as the crypt keeper
for years. It's a Tales from the Crypt reference for uh,
those of you my age that get that, Hey, I
(29:59):
got that one five six six nine Zeros Tex. I
don't want to hear your thoughts on all this. Uh,
we got Parker Gabriel when we come back, it is
to Broncos Country Night here on Kiah Way,
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