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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's been Albright, Nick Ferguson, Grant Smith back there, he's
got a ball cap on. You can't read that brand.
What is what is El Dora? Do I know what
that is?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Is?
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Is that the Eldora, the Explorer?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
El Dora?
Speaker 4 (00:13):
This is how I know you're not originally from Colorado.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
El Dora is a ski resort from Colorado. Yeah, but
I've I've actually become part of the culture.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Okay, Yeah, I have not assimilated all assimilated.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
That was a word that you could see me looking
for that word in my brain. Well, I was trying
to think of what to say. El Dora is a
ski resort outside of Boulder, near Netherland, Colorado.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I didn't even know any of those places existed except
for Boulder. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Netherlands. Awesome little hippie town in Colorado. Yeah, in the
ski resort. It's like five minutes from I go.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Do they have good food in Netherlands?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Actually, now that you mention it, there's this barbecue place
that's also a brewery called Bucy Bruce. I had the
guy on the owner, Kyle, on my podcast a couple
of years ago, and I stopped there every time I'm
in Netherland.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Kathy Walker looks agast at me.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Right now, the boss to Boulder and then go on
the bus.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
To Netland and get to the ski resort. Okay, but
can I also take my car?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I don't know your car would make it fair.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Michael may not be get out of here tonight. Let
me try to grant. Yeah, it's such a that's the thing.
I moved out here to Colorado. I haven't skied since
I've lived out here. I've lived down here since twenty twelve.
I have not skied since I lived there. I came
out here to ski before I lived here. I have
not skied since I've lived here. You can snowshoe at Eldorra.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
You can cross country ski, you can downhill ski.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
There's beer, there's food all over food.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
What's that amazing hike right outside of Netherland. It's got
the waterfalls. I'm spacing on it right now. But there's
a little school right on the way to the ski resort,
and there's an amazing hike right there. It's only like
three miles in and out, and it's got some of
the most spectacular views in the summertime.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Well do we know it now? I know something I
can do this summer. There's what you know what we
need to do. We did have a Grant Gret Explores
Colorado podcast where for idiots like me, you can you
can tell me where to go.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
I won't even get started about the gin Joint in Rawlinsville.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I mean real, get need to put together a podcasting joint.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, all they I'm just saying I I am here
for I'm just checking to make sure i'm here.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
What I'm hearing.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
So, like, I don't do resolutions, as we've talked about before,
but one of the things I did kind of make
a promise to myself this year is I was gonna
do more Colorado stuff. I was gonna be more active,
I'm gonna ge out, I'm gonna do more Colorado stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
So I'm taking notes on this stuff. I'm gonna come
to you guys. I'm taking notes on this stuff once
it's way better.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Than the weather is right now, and I'm going out
and I'm going to the gin Joint and the Neederlens
or whatever in Rollinsville.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
It's gold Dirt Distillery.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I think that's the name of it.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Little too close to gold Schlogger for my comfort, which
is the bane of my existence.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
In college, I remember throwing up those golds. Oh my god.
At least at least when he threw up it smelled
like you just chewed to pack up the GB right. Yeah,
no one could tell.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
At least I have no idea what this conversation thing about. One.
I don't drink, so I'm just sitting here absorbing all
this information.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Well, something really cool for you to do, Nick, and
you could take your whole family on this. There's a
I forget Kathy will know the name of it, but
there's a train that you can ride. I think it's
it's in Canon City. I'm trying to see.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I actually looked at that, so did train and all that. Yes,
I've already looked at this. This is something I've already
looked at.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
You.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
You can go all the way through the Royal Gorge
and they have different themes for it. You can take
it and Santa's on the train. You can take it
and it's like date night.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
You know, I looked. I didn't want real you know,
good idea, But the Royal Gorge. Have you either one
of you ever been to the royal.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I was looking at that one of the things, and
the train thing came up. So I'm doing that some
point here in the next couple of mon of.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
The coolest things you'll ever see in your life. Okay,
this is one beautiful and you're right inside the mountains.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Do you get the gorge and the train and the
gin joint? Okay, gig that all that walk deal.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
You have to do some driving.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
So the gen joint is not here.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay, God's doing it.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Well, we tried, but no, I have looked into the
royal gorge of the train thing, so that is something.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, I need you know what we need to do.
That's what we need.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I need suggestions from you guys, since you guys know
Colorado and I really don't despite having lived here for
gosh almost.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Fifteen years now, yeah, twice as long as I have.
I know, I'm a terrible human being.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
We've determined this a long time ago, so I'm looking
for I'm looking for suggestions, so I will take that
under advisement.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Kathy just looked at me so aghast. When I did
not know what the Netherlands were, I thought that was
a country in Europe. I'm a terrible human being six
nine years text line, you guys would get involved. The
conversation got a lot of get to today. I appreciate you, Kathy,
appreciate your grant. There. Uh big Quika Broncos special.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Teams coach was fired this morning. We'll get into that
here a little bit. Romby Bean's gonna join us top
of the eight o'clock. How we got divisional pickums. Jimmy Butler
tried to copy Michael Jordan and said I'm back in
a in a fax, which is a little bit different
than Jordan because Jimmy Butler was suspended by his own
team for conduct detrimental. Uh, talk to some people down there.
And now, Nick, you there is the resident Miami Heat fan. Yes,
(05:23):
Miami Heat Insider. You can find about Nick ferguson Miami
Heat Insider dot com. I Jimmy is I think the
teammates have sort of gotten tired of him?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Is what it sounded like to me. Am I wrong
on this?
Speaker 6 (05:37):
No, it seemed like Jimmy has worn out his welcome.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
And we've seen this before and with Chicago Bulls, with
the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
But but here is the thing. I thought that this
was a marriage.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Made in heaven because Heat Culture has done a lot
for a lot of players. When you think about Lebron James,
when you think about d Way, and also when Jimmy
Butler was supposed to be that next guy because his
work ethic, that grit, that toughness that Heat Culture was
built on by pat Raley, he just seemed as though
(06:10):
it was a match made in heaven until Jimmy started
to look around, and Jimmy started to say, there's some issues, right,
and then you know his issue, like.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
This is what I'm thinking when.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
The person starts referring to themselves and the third person, Oh,
Jimmy don't like this. Yeah right, Jimmy don't like this.
But here's the crazy thing about it. Well, everything that
Lebron James, Shaquille O'Neill, Alonzo Morning, and Mark Paul d
Wade went through, they called the path for Jimmy because
there were certain things that pat Rally said, you know
what we are not doing, Like when you think about
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Rich Paul and Lebron James, they wanted certain concessions for
their guys. Pat Raley said, hold on, Pippin, that's not
how this worked. That's one of the reasons why Lebron left.
So when Jimmy came in, Jimmy was given all the
last to do so many things that some of the
old heads were like, whoa wait a minute.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
You know what it's like? Here is perfect analogy.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
You remember, like when you were growing up, your parents
wouldn't allow you to do certain things, which was basically
everything exactly, but your grandparents then let you get away
with murder.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Yes, okay, so that's.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
How it was when you saw Alonzo morning and d Way.
Looking back at the situation, you were allowing Jimmy to
do all these things that you didn't allow us, and
now Jimmy has taken full advantage of it. Where the
last time in the playoffs, when the Nuggets faced off
against the Miami Heat, the team was kind of like downtown. Well,
(07:41):
it's allege that Jimmy was thirty miles away had imagined
that he wasn't staying with the team.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Now that's a problem.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I know every league, every team, they treat their superstars
different from everyone else, but come on, man, that's on
a whole different level. He's taking private planes and the
games where he's not there, he's ill, he's sick, he
posting videos on ig It's just like, come on, Jimmy,
what are you doing?
Speaker 6 (08:06):
Yeah? How you doing?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Also the ego to put to do the trying to
pull the Jordan I'm back.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
That was Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan could get away with that,
not you, Jimmy. Jimmy Butler is not Michael Jordan. No,
he's not.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And once again, it's very interesting that we're having this
conversation because about a month ago, when we're talking about
possible trade destinations for Jimmy, Demmler was one of those
destinations that came up in conversation, and I, for one,
don't think that that would be a perfect match.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
It's not because.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Jimmy wants out of Miami because right now he from
the games he was suspended. That's two point three million
dollars that he's losing, right He wants to go to
a team and vid a contender. He feels as though
Bam out of Bajo and Tyler Herro have now stepped
into the next heat phase and he's not part of it.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
So he won't.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
He said, look, if I'm coming off the bench or
I'm gonna be that third guy on my to join
the team that is probably going to win a title.
Now he's thinking Phoenix, which I think, no, that's out
of the question. But what Cavin Mooove actually really think
about bringing Jimmy Butler here? Probably a thought of it,
(09:17):
but actually going through with it. Hell no, oh no, no,
hell no, no, no, no, no, no way.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
If you do that, you're having to give up Porter
for sure, and then what else to get Jimmy Butler
On top of all that, It's not worth it. At
that point, you're training for a thirty five year old
basketball player who hasn't played seventy five games in a
season but once in his career. Yeah, and that was
back when he was twenty seven years old. He's two
years removed from his prime. The numbers have been falling
(09:50):
for three I just I. And then there's all the
off court, you know, where he's just he's Jimmy Butler.
And then the legend of Jimmy Butler and Jimmy Butler's
own mind is bigger than the actual legend of Jimmy
Butler on the court.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
As much as I kind of don't disagree with MPJA
and how he's developed, I wouldn't go in that direction
if the Nuggets were looking to acquire other pieces to
make a run because there are some who have the
thought ben that maybe right the leadership of Nicola Jokic,
and we know Nicola leads by action and he's not
(10:25):
very verbal. But there are those who believe that if
you were to add to Jimmy Butler being around the
Kola Jokic would change all of that. I say, I
don't think so. If you got a guy who's done
this on three stops, what makes you think he's gonna
somehow come to Denver and all of a sudden he's
gonna change his ways?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
No, I mean he's thirty five years old. Everything about
Jimmy Butler is ingrained in his DNA. You're not changing
at thirty five years old. How many years does he
have left at this point? And the other side of
this is the Nuggets need depth then, but they also
need outside shooting.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
And I think give me some.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Pretty efficient outside show. See see listen to what you said.
He's he's pretty good. See the Nuggets don't need pretty good. Yeah,
they need someone that's really reliable. He's been in the
last three season.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I mean he doesn't shoot as much as he used
to out there, but he's been pretty efficient the last
three years thirty thirty eight percent.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
That's that's okay.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
See, I see once again you said pretty efficient, and that's.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Okay, right.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I don't want that if you were getting married, Greg,
check this out. If you were getting married and someone
say that, hey, you know how things are going with
your with your wife before the way? Oh well things
are pretty good, pretty efficient, okay, okay, okay, you.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Know what that means. Yeah, that's not gonna last long.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
That ain't your wife.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
That's well.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
And the guy that I wanted them to go out,
he is probably not somebody you can get now. Uh.
And and that was Buddy Heel. That was who I
wanted them to go out and get out of Gonda State.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, I think, but I think they're okay with Buddy
here because they loved point shooting.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
That's what they do, right.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
So I say, that's who I wanted the Nuggets to
go get. Was Buddy Heel. I wanted to go get
HP before he signed with Golden State this year.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Like that, to me, that was the guy you wanted
coming off the bench, right, that was the sixth man
you wanted to put some energy into it. Come off
the bench, he can he can score in bunches. You know,
he's he's good from the perimeter. He jacks up those
perimeter shots and me shooting what seven seven and a
half times from beyond the arc per game this season
he hits about thirty eight percent of I mean that
to me, that was what you wanted off the off
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the bench.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
That like that defencenzo right, yeah, yes he can, he
can do that. He can spread the floor. But I
think is a point guard. Isn't he like an off guard?
A point guard? Yeah, but once again heels for two
and a three. Yeah, but we're looking at outside shooting.
How can you make this team better not just from
an outside shooting standpoint, but also a defensive standpoint as well.
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Like you saw the Houston game, right, you saw how
the Nuggets didn't really defend the perimeter and what Houston
was able to do. Once again, you still need defensive players.
You still need a lockdown guy, and right now, you
know Aaron Gordon is in and out a lineup due
to injury.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
You need someone who is a lockdown.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Guy, and the Nuggets really don't have that guy outside
of Aaron Gordon and.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I'm trying to think of somebody that could go out
and get that provides that parimeter boosted also prize, because
I mean, you go get you know, Memphis would trade
Luke Canard, but he's not a defender, right, So I
mean you can go get parimeter shooting, but usually the
guys who are those shooters are not the world's greatest defenders.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Most of the time, you're not finding somebody who does both.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, but if the Nuggets and Cavin Booth is considering this,
you don't want to get a guy on just kind
of a rent for a higher deal, right, I mean,
because if you're trading away assets to acquire assets you
feel that can help the Nuggets push for another title,
you at least want those guys here for at least
two to maybe three years, because just getting a rent
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for a higher guy that may not actually get the
Nuggets to where they want to be, and then now
it's a rentive, repeat rents and repeat cycle that you
don't want to be in.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, I'm just trying to think of available you know,
twos or threes that could add to the shooting and
everybody I'm thinking of as a poor defender, I just
talk about Canard a mere coffee from the Clippers. You know,
those guys are perimeter bombers, but they don't particularly defend
all that well, so that that doesn't really help you.
Because the Nuggets problem has not been scoring points this year.
(14:30):
It's been stopping other teams from scoring points.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Absolutely, and then that it just seemed like the Nuggets
have had an ongoing problem with scoring, especially on that
second unit. They tried to mix it match and modify it.
But I guess the idea is like, as long as
you have a healthy d covid yokitch, you're in every
(14:53):
single game that you play inc Yeah, ither figure at
some point because all the games he played here an
NBA and you know, games playing an Olympics, his body
is going to break down.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
Because that's the pro and.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Con to having a talented player and the talented team
and having a deep playoff push.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
Your off season is really short.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah, I mean yeah, and that's you know, it's it's tough.
What are you gonna do because at this point, I mean,
Brown's been a middle of the road defender. Uh And
I'm being charitable with that. Porter's kind of a middle
of the road defender. Brown's are his best coming off
the bench, and they've had to use him now they
they've changed things up recently to where they put Russ
Westbrook and Jamal Murray in the lineup to start as
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the backcourt.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
That let's bron come.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Off the bench where he's most effective, and that gives
you a little something. The question is what are you
doing with Aaron Gordon when he gets back? How are
you working that rotation? In US? As you're starting five?
Gonna wind up being that? And then your your bench
is Braud and Strowther and Watson.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
You know what. I like Watson, I like Strawther.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I mean those guys have seen quality minutes and they
play effectively. But once again, it's still a work in progress.
And if you are coach Malone, Coach Malone doesn't have
a lot of hair, so I mean he's got to
pull most of it out. But it is stressful for
him to watch his team not compete defensively.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
You know, as a defensive mind that it is.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
And you would think that the players would actually know
that about him and they would give that effort, But
they don't give that effort all the time. And it
seem as though if Nikola Yolkis.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
Is out of the game. It's just like they go.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Into the game like, well, we can't win the game,
so why even making the temp. That's what that on
the outside looking in, that's what it seemed.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
Like to me.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah, I could be wrong. Well, I mean no, it's
I think you're I think you're on point. And it's
just it's tough when you look at this, like, what
are you gonna do? You're locked into the contract you have.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
There's not really a whole lot of maneuverability unless you're
blowing it up to change anything, and you've got to
find players who can play, and you know, it's it's
it's been interesting because as much as I like straw
thirty shooting ability, he's been a liability on defense. Uh
And Peate Watson is not exactly you know, he's supposed.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
To be the more defensive minded guy hasn't exactly been
a great defender this season either.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
It picked up the offense on his end a little bit,
but he hasn't you know, the defense hasn't been where.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
It needs to be.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
And so you know, I don't know what you do there,
but I do know getting back to the topic at hand.
I don't want any part of Jimmy Butler here in Denver.
No where where would he go? Like where where would you.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Send him out of Miami?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I mean, all things being equal, though, let's let's say
let's say you know, I mean, if you're you could
pick any team, any NBA team right now, and you're
gonna but your first movie is you're trading for Jimmy Butler.
What what team do you do? What team is is they?
So I can get rid of him and send him
to any team?
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Yeah? Okay, Now, well I'm.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Saying you get to take over the team that he
gets sent to.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
What team is that? Oh?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Wow? The Warriors?
Speaker 6 (17:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
What are they doing?
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Who are they trading? Buddy Healed? And what Buddy Healed?
And Draymond?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
No, I can tell you right now gold as they
they are not they Let Draymond just walk out the door.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
They're not gonna do it like that.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And I don't think Steph and Jimmy are co existing either.
I just don't.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
That's the thing.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
It's personality clashing. Like we all have members in our
family that we know, Okay, this on, an uncle can't
be in the same place because if they are is
going down.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
It's that type of thing. So when you're asking where does.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Jimmy fit around the league, it's not just about his
athletic ability right in his toughness, It's just like does
he fit in the locker room?
Speaker 6 (18:35):
That's the thing that's important.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
What about the signs? They have some pieces they can.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
That's where he wants to go.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, that's that's where he wants to go.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
To me, And I don't think would hapen because don't
think you're trading him like this, But the Knicks would
seem to be the team, wouldn't it.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
Pat Robins is not gonna do.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
That's what I'm saying that they know, but that would
be the guy. If you're Jimmy, that's where you want
to go, right the coaching drafted you.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Tom Thibodeau.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I don't know for me at this particular point, Man
anywhere out of Miami because he's just kind of causing
chaos in.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
The locker room. Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, you
have to they're at the point where they have to
move him at this point. I mean, it's it's it's
an absurdity. The question is what are they gonna get
BA Where they're gonna move, we come back.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
We're to talk about the Broncos fire a coach today.
This is Broncos Country Night kaway five.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Six six nine Zeros text line. You know went down
for real today. Think Quicca fired by the Denver Broncos.
And Brocos had already let Mike west Off go under.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
The auspices of the health issues that he was having.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I don't necessarily agree with letting Ben Quick go, but
I think I think Sean Payton, I'm trying to think
of the.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Nice way to say. This is a nice way I
say this again. You are trying to do I'm trying
to hell of a job of it. Yeah, I'm trying
to tap answer a little bit.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I'm gonna say snip and fredis still okay and spit
that mug out.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
He spit it out. He was looking at. Somebody had
to swing. They did, you know, they didn't get where
they wanted to go, and there were several things down
the down the stretch. Somebody had to swing. It wound
up being him.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
You couldn't fire advance, Joseph because the defense carried you
all year, so you went with the easy thing.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Fired the special teams, coach and blamed it on a
blocked field goal in Kansas City and missed field goals
against UH Buffalo and Cincinnati, and I think you go
and and the penalty on Tremont Smith at the end
of the half.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
That's Look, I'm not I don't agree with it.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I'm saying, that's what you do. You you, that's your
pr move. We're not going to do the mistakes.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
We're not gonna do I'm not gonna do that because
right now.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
Bigot Wicker, you might as well call him Lee Majors because.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Right, and Ryan Goslily get to do the new movie.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
I thought that, right, I thought the Ryan gosleey mo was.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I mean, I think I can never get past the
fact that he was an absolute liability at the corner and
had to give up a spot to beauty.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
But but he moved on it the biggest thing to
biggest thing. Yeah, this this boils me over.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
Man, because I've seen this happen to a lot of coaches,
and I get it.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
The season doesn't work out the way you want to,
and you're going to do some self reflection, some evaluating
of players and staff as you move forward. But this
one just doesn't sit right because for anyone to blame
coach Big kok Wicker for the fact of what happened
(21:34):
in Kansas City, Alex ForSight, the fact that the kanc
City Chiefs saw something take advantage of it, overloaded that
side because you can't overload the center, but you can't
overla overload the guys on the side and take advantage
of it.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
That's great execution.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Right. And then also the thing that happened with Tremont
Smith with something that we haven't seen in football in years,
but coach Harbaugh coaches.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
It up, which, by the way, if you.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Watch the Chargers game against.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I was like, look he did.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
He tried to stick his knee out there and throw
all the content.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I'm telling you it's a coaching point.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
I know that special teams coordinator over there, Gay, I
know what they're doing. Even if it's a coach, Buddy
Mario's cousin Ryan thinking is Mario attensis Cussin.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
But even if it's a coaching point, right, you have
to be aware as a player what happened in that
Charges game, that happened going into halftime. The game wasn't
even concluded at that point, right, And It wasn't Vincut
Wicker who made that mistake.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
It was Timon Smith. Right, you got to track the
ball as.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
A gunner, the ball in flight, but also you have
to know the rules right, stay within and say a
certain distance from that guy.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Either you making the play or you're not making the play.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
As soon as his hand goes up, pull up and
if you would yells up, matt him or jump in
the air or whatever, that's fine, but don't get within
that radar home.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
You know that as a veteran, everybody knows that Sir
Tamon Smith suld have known that that's not been caught.
Wicks fault, the fact that somebody's got a swing for
that though I know, Man Dayton, look man, that's not
even fair. Will let's doi king right before had.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
First of all, we can't call that a dooint. That
thing was so loud that it is a gong.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Okay, the gong right, the gong is at like Okay,
that was like, that's not been caught Wick's fault. I'm
not saying that.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
What I'm saying is just and I'm coming at this
from Sean Payton's perspective, even though I disagree with it.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Because I'm with you on this. What are you doing?
Fire this guy? What'd you bring him in for the
firt place? You're gonna fire him?
Speaker 6 (23:34):
Aft to one year.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
He's been a special teams coordinatorround the league for a
long time.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
He was he was in he was in Minnesota, he
was in Atlanta with Dan Quinn.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Because I don't get it he was, nor was he Washington.
I believe it is.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
He's uh.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
And he took a year off in between there. It
was an army for a year.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Sell me this concept and this idea that.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Agree with you.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Breakdowns over the course of the year, and that's your domain.
We had, we had, we missed field goals down the
stretch and the clutch when we needed him. We we
have special teams coverage lapses. Of course, this points that's
his fault. That's what stops with somebody, right, I think
the bucks should stop. Well, I think we all know
where I think the buck should stop. But it's that
that's that's who that guy is. There's always somebody to blame.
(24:15):
And I said that when we hired him. There's always
somebody to blame.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
This has not been cut Wicks.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I agree, I agree, is that's what these majors of
the situation.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yes he is, That's exactly what it is.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
He who is it?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Chris Carter? You gotta have a fall guy.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
And Ben cut wickeds the fall guy is the fall
Let's be.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Fair, Darren Rizzy, your boy is sitting out there right now, unemployed,
and you've got to beat on bringing him in. So
that's the other half of this equation. So let me
look at this from this other standpoint. So you look
at the Broncos. I believe Leam the league in.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Punt returns with Marvin Man whole pro punt returners lakes
his retard to the pro bo for the second year
in a row.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
That doesn't count all Pro, by the way, too, all
Pro all Pro.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Will Lutz tying Jason Eagle's franchise single season record.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
For field goals with thirty one.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I would like to think that wouldn't that be part
of bencot Wicker's resume as well? If you're gonna shot
all that other stuff, why not put all this in
there too as well.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I'm with you on that, but I just I know
the way that this person thinks, and I know I
know enough about it and have seen from people who've
worked with him before.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I thinks, and they don't.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
You know, the.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Expectation is the success that's you did your job, you
do that, you get you did your job, you get
a little.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Sticker congratulations, did your job. But things go wrong, you
get blamed.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Well because he's not taking Wait wait, if I'm not mistaken,
Will Lutz is the Saints guy.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
But if he's.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Missing those field goals? Is anyone talking to him about that?
Are the same conversations going back.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
And forth to me, like, I'm with you, we're at
lockstep on this, but I we're on radio right now,
so I'm doing the opposite side. I'm playing the avocatis
dabala the Devil's advocated and that he think this is
where this is how this guy operates. If things go wrong,
some who's to blame? Okay, We're moving on like that.
(26:13):
That's that's how he does that. You know who on
my staff is in charge of that? You're the one
to blame?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Okay for it? What's the That was my horrible Trump
impersonation there.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I didn't know if that was Trump or miss the Birds.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
I had no idea. What's fun that was? Listen, I
know every single year.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Once again, there's always evaluations. But for me, it's like,
can we be fair about the evaluations? Are we just
only pointing out what what is perceived to be out
points and then when we look at those out points,
how much of that was on the coach and how
much of that was on.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
The plane executes. I'm with you, I'm one hundred percent
with you on this. You're not You're you're apprecing the
choir on that.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I'm just trying to the other side of the coin,
because you know how it is. Any time I ever
give a criticis as Sean Payton's because people think I
hate him or whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Sus Well, I don't hate the guy.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I just like I know people that worked with him,
and I know how how that operation is, and I
tried to warn about some of that kind of stuff
when he came in. You know, the people who are like, oh,
he's gonna you know, he's gonna bring in all his guys.
You're gonna be the Saints West, well, yeah, you know,
and they're like, no, he's not.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Well, here you go.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Uh, And he's gonna be loyal to him to a
fault and he's gonna blame everybody you know, and those
kinds of things. Those are the negatives that come there
are there are positives that come with Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
He's elemated the culture here. They're a professional franchise again,
They're not a laughing stock like they used to be. Okay,
but there are other aspects of that to come with it.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
And I'm telling you end of the season, they don't
they don't get where they want to go.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
And he's disappointed. He's going on one and he's he's
firing people.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
Okay, when Sean Payton came over.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Even before Sean Payton came in, the Broncos Special Teams
unit were not tops.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
They've been bad for a while.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
Yeah, they weren't even top ten.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
We can go back to who is the guy that
was was it McMahon?
Speaker 6 (27:58):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Was here? Yes?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
When we were an embarrassment.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yes, So this is why Sean Payton talked Mike west
Off into coming out of retirement to coach, and he
brought his guys. They caught Wicker Chris Banjer who also
played for Seawan down in New Orleans.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Right, so things were going great now.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I can understand he say, well, if when Mike Westoff
kind of said, you know what, I'm gonna have to
lead because of my health issues. If we saw the
Broncos special team's units started to tank, then I'll go, Okay,
you know what, You're well within your own rights. You
are justified with what your your decision. But it didn't
(28:40):
go down. It didn't go down.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Ben, you got it. Well we got better. Yes.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
So I've been trying to make this make sense to me,
being the guy that cut my teeth in this league,
as a special teams guy that came into this league,
if Mike Westoff was my special team's coach, knowing how
important special teams is, I'm trying to make this make sense,
and it just doesn't. Two until is not equaling four.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Here, all right, I'm with you on that. I wouldn't
be surprised if we go get there Rizzy.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
By the way, Chris Banjo was a Vance Joseph guy
to who played on Vance's defense as well as haven't
been brought in the lead by Shot Payton, So a
little bit of double coverage there with him.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Packed line, several people chiming in.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Didn't Ben Kouwika just have a critical special team's play
work with the fake punt pass from Riley Dixon.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
That's that's another puzz for his resume. Did yell that
should count? Right?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I'm I'm with you on that.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
The Broncos led league in punt returns this season fifteen
point seven per return.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Marvin Marvin Nims was named the All Pro. And then,
as you mentioned, kicker.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Will Lutz tie Jason Neeland for the franchises single season
record for vehicles with thirty one kick.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
On the way and it hits the right upright and.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
Is no good.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
No, that's not what he made. That's not what he made.
But that wasn't a toy koll. That isn't gong like
that like a micro upright.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
It was. It was ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
It's interesting because you know when west Off and I'm
using air quotes here in the studio retired, I guess
that made him vulnerable because it was a it was
kind of a duo a plan when they was a
package deal. They west Off wanted to do it, but
they felt like he might have been a little too
old to handle the day to day. So what they
did was it was a package deal. They brought a
kuitka to coach, you know, west off at scheming up
(30:24):
and Kuitka would would get out there run practice and
organize things and coach guys up and that kind of stuff.
And I don't know at the end of the day,
that's that's the direction that they think.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
But Ben, the idea is that this is say that
was the package deal, that was the original deal, But
did the special teams unit suffer? That's what you start
to evaluate. That's what we're looking at.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I don't think so, but I can go back to
that game when Sean Payton specifically said that it wasn't
Forsyth's fault on the block, so he said, this isn't
on the player, it's on us as coaches.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
And at that point in time, he.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Heard the clock this ticket, He's gonna blame somebody, He's
gonna you know. And I have a soft spot for
Ben Koa who's an Army veteran and he flew helicopters
in Iraq and Bosni and Korea.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
You know, I have a soft spot for Bankowick.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
But that you knew the countdown was on as soon
as Sean pay that's what he does.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
But then does coach speak when you say, well, you
know what when you lose, Hey, you know what, that
was on us as coaches.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
We didn't do a great job.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
We didn't prepare them throughout the week, right, So it's
all on us. And then you go in the room
and you break it down individually and you talk to
the player that wasn't ben cut with its fault.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
I mean, if someone wants in.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
The text line, wants to text up and tell me
that a call in, or someone else wants to say
that it was we can have that back and forth.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Broncos finish top ten and net punting average, park return average,
part return average against field goal percentage. Marvin mems a
back to back all pro to me, this is just
at the end of the day, this is him pointing
to figure somebody had to swing and that's what he did,
and then he gets to hire his buddy theoretically in
Darren Rizzy to come in and coach special teams like
that's that's the only thing that I can I can do.
(32:01):
There are people out there who have tried to posit
other things like what well on on Twitter I saw
earlier today Sarah Benger, who's does the believe it's predominantly orange.
Uh said that the block field goal at Kansas City
and subsequent evidence that weakness was based on tape study
and not a fluke, Riley Dixon's horrible games in LA
and Cincinnati, Frey Mount Smith's fair catch versus the Chargers,
(32:25):
multiple kickoffs in the landing zone resulting in poor starting
field position, and so he says that, you know, I'm like,
I don't know that I necessarily agree with all of that,
because again, we just pointed out these other things that
Broncos finished out ten.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
And aren't those all things that are.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Players doing the bad, doing the wrong thing, like Riley
Dixon's poor punts being Kuika can't go out and pump
for him, will Let's missed field goal.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
I mean, what are we talking about here? I'm I'm
with you, I'm with both of you on this. I'm
just trying to present the other side, you know, so
they give them.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
You're presenting stinks and all the stuff that is being
thrown out there.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Who was it that you said put this out on? Look, man,
let me let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I'm not saying anything negative about them. But if you
are searching for something, most likely you're gonna find it,
and you're looking to pin something on someone, And my
idea is that if you're going to do that, and
that's the game that we're gonna play, you might as
well look and talk about the things that they did
well instead of getting a laundry list of why they
(33:28):
were fired because they did this, because when you look
at what the Broncos have.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
Done, they've done a great job on the special teams.
For me, I still don't understand this.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
We come back, we come back. We're gonna let it.
Nick ran a little harder on this.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
We'rels gonna talk about Sean Payton sad the season presser.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I'm pretty sure we got some bone to picks there
as well. Us in a Broncos country, not Ki
It's been Albright, Nick Ferguson, Grant Smith back there, he's
got a ball cap on. You can't read that brand.
What is what is El Dora? Do I know what
that is?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Is?
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Is that the Eldora, the Explorer?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
El Dora?
Speaker 4 (00:13):
This is how I know you're not originally from Colorado.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
El Dora is a ski resort from Colorado. Yeah, but
I've I've actually become part of the culture.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Okay, Yeah, I have not assimilated all assimilated.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
That was a word that you could see me looking
for that word in my brain. Well, I was trying
to think of what to say. El Dora is a
ski resort outside of Boulder, near Netherland, Colorado.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I didn't even know any of those places existed except
for Boulder. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Netherlands. Awesome little hippie town in Colorado. Yeah, in the
ski resort. It's like five minutes from I go.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Do they have good food in Netherlands?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Actually, now that you mention it, there's this barbecue place
that's also a brewery called Bucy Bruce. I had the
guy on the owner, Kyle, on my podcast a couple
of years ago, and I stopped there every time I'm
in Netherland.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Kathy Walker looks agast at me.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Right now, the boss to Boulder and then go on
the bus.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
To Netland and get to the ski resort. Okay, but
can I also take my car?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I don't know your car would make it fair.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Michael may not be get out of here tonight. Let
me try to grant. Yeah, it's such a that's the thing.
I moved out here to Colorado. I haven't skied since
I've lived out here. I've lived down here since twenty twelve.
I have not skied since I lived there. I came
out here to ski before I lived here. I have
not skied since I've lived here. You can snowshoe at Eldorra.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
You can cross country ski, you can downhill ski.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
There's beer, there's food all over food.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
What's that amazing hike right outside of Netherland. It's got
the waterfalls. I'm spacing on it right now. But there's
a little school right on the way to the ski resort,
and there's an amazing hike right there. It's only like
three miles in and out, and it's got some of
the most spectacular views in the summertime.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Well do we know it now? I know something I
can do this summer. There's what you know what we
need to do. We did have a Grant Gret Explores
Colorado podcast where for idiots like me, you can you
can tell me where to go.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
I won't even get started about the gin Joint in Rawlinsville.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I mean real, get need to put together a podcasting joint.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, all they I'm just saying I I am here
for I'm just checking to make sure i'm here.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
What I'm hearing.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
So, like, I don't do resolutions, as we've talked about before,
but one of the things I did kind of make
a promise to myself this year is I was gonna
do more Colorado stuff. I was gonna be more active,
I'm gonna ge out, I'm gonna do more Colorado stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
So I'm taking notes on this stuff. I'm gonna come
to you guys. I'm taking notes on this stuff once
it's way better.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Than the weather is right now, and I'm going out
and I'm going to the gin Joint and the Neederlens
or whatever in Rollinsville.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
It's gold Dirt Distillery.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I think that's the name of it.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Little too close to gold Schlogger for my comfort, which
is the bane of my existence.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
In college, I remember throwing up those golds. Oh my god.
At least at least when he threw up it smelled
like you just chewed to pack up the GB right. Yeah,
no one could tell.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
At least I have no idea what this conversation thing about. One.
I don't drink, so I'm just sitting here absorbing all
this information.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Well, something really cool for you to do, Nick, and
you could take your whole family on this. There's a
I forget Kathy will know the name of it, but
there's a train that you can ride. I think it's
it's in Canon City. I'm trying to see.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I actually looked at that, so did train and all that. Yes,
I've already looked at this. This is something I've already
looked at.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
You.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
You can go all the way through the Royal Gorge
and they have different themes for it. You can take
it and Santa's on the train. You can take it
and it's like date night.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
You know, I looked. I didn't want real you know,
good idea, But the Royal Gorge. Have you either one
of you ever been to the royal.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I was looking at that one of the things, and
the train thing came up. So I'm doing that some
point here in the next couple of mon of.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
The coolest things you'll ever see in your life. Okay,
this is one beautiful and you're right inside the mountains.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Do you get the gorge and the train and the
gin joint? Okay, gig that all that walk deal.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
You have to do some driving.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
So the gen joint is not here.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay, God's doing it.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Well, we tried, but no, I have looked into the
royal gorge of the train thing, so that is something.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, I need you know what we need to do.
That's what we need.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I need suggestions from you guys, since you guys know
Colorado and I really don't despite having lived here for
gosh almost.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Fifteen years now, yeah, twice as long as I have.
I know, I'm a terrible human being.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
We've determined this a long time ago, so I'm looking
for I'm looking for suggestions, so I will take that
under advisement.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Kathy just looked at me so aghast. When I did
not know what the Netherlands were, I thought that was
a country in Europe. I'm a terrible human being six
nine years text line, you guys would get involved. The
conversation got a lot of get to today. I appreciate you, Kathy,
appreciate your grant. There. Uh big Quika Broncos special.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Teams coach was fired this morning. We'll get into that
here a little bit. Romby Bean's gonna join us top
of the eight o'clock. How we got divisional pickums. Jimmy Butler
tried to copy Michael Jordan and said I'm back in
a in a fax, which is a little bit different
than Jordan because Jimmy Butler was suspended by his own
team for conduct detrimental. Uh, talk to some people down there.
And now, Nick, you there is the resident Miami Heat fan. Yes,
(05:23):
Miami Heat Insider. You can find about Nick ferguson Miami
Heat Insider dot com. I Jimmy is I think the
teammates have sort of gotten tired of him?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Is what it sounded like to me. Am I wrong
on this?
Speaker 6 (05:37):
No, it seemed like Jimmy has worn out his welcome.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
And we've seen this before and with Chicago Bulls, with
the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
But but here is the thing. I thought that this
was a marriage.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Made in heaven because Heat Culture has done a lot
for a lot of players. When you think about Lebron James,
when you think about d Way, and also when Jimmy
Butler was supposed to be that next guy because his
work ethic, that grit, that toughness that Heat Culture was
built on by pat Raley, he just seemed as though
(06:10):
it was a match made in heaven until Jimmy started
to look around, and Jimmy started to say, there's some issues, right,
and then you know his issue, like.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
This is what I'm thinking when.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
The person starts referring to themselves and the third person, Oh,
Jimmy don't like this. Yeah right, Jimmy don't like this.
But here's the crazy thing about it. Well, everything that
Lebron James, Shaquille O'Neill, Alonzo Morning, and Mark Paul d
Wade went through, they called the path for Jimmy because
there were certain things that pat Rally said, you know
what we are not doing, Like when you think about
(06:44):
Rich Paul and Lebron James, they wanted certain concessions for
their guys. Pat Raley said, hold on, Pippin, that's not
how this worked. That's one of the reasons why Lebron left.
So when Jimmy came in, Jimmy was given all the
last to do so many things that some of the
old heads were like, whoa wait a minute.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
You know what it's like? Here is perfect analogy.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
You remember, like when you were growing up, your parents
wouldn't allow you to do certain things, which was basically
everything exactly, but your grandparents then let you get away
with murder.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Yes, okay, so that's.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
How it was when you saw Alonzo morning and d Way.
Looking back at the situation, you were allowing Jimmy to
do all these things that you didn't allow us, and
now Jimmy has taken full advantage of it. Where the
last time in the playoffs, when the Nuggets faced off
against the Miami Heat, the team was kind of like downtown. Well,
(07:41):
it's allege that Jimmy was thirty miles away had imagined
that he wasn't staying with the team.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Now that's a problem.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I know every league, every team, they treat their superstars
different from everyone else, but come on, man, that's on
a whole different level. He's taking private planes and the
games where he's not there, he's ill, he's sick, he
posting videos on ig It's just like, come on, Jimmy,
what are you doing?
Speaker 6 (08:06):
Yeah? How you doing?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Also the ego to put to do the trying to
pull the Jordan I'm back.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
That was Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan could get away with that,
not you, Jimmy. Jimmy Butler is not Michael Jordan. No,
he's not.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And once again, it's very interesting that we're having this
conversation because about a month ago, when we're talking about
possible trade destinations for Jimmy, Demmler was one of those
destinations that came up in conversation, and I, for one,
don't think that that would be a perfect match.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
It's not because.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Jimmy wants out of Miami because right now he from
the games he was suspended. That's two point three million
dollars that he's losing, right He wants to go to
a team and vid a contender. He feels as though
Bam out of Bajo and Tyler Herro have now stepped
into the next heat phase and he's not part of it.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
So he won't.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
He said, look, if I'm coming off the bench or
I'm gonna be that third guy on my to join
the team that is probably going to win a title.
Now he's thinking Phoenix, which I think, no, that's out
of the question. But what Cavin Mooove actually really think
about bringing Jimmy Butler here? Probably a thought of it,
(09:17):
but actually going through with it. Hell no, oh no, no,
hell no, no, no, no, no, no way.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
If you do that, you're having to give up Porter
for sure, and then what else to get Jimmy Butler
On top of all that, It's not worth it. At
that point, you're training for a thirty five year old
basketball player who hasn't played seventy five games in a
season but once in his career. Yeah, and that was
back when he was twenty seven years old. He's two
years removed from his prime. The numbers have been falling
(09:50):
for three I just I. And then there's all the
off court, you know, where he's just he's Jimmy Butler.
And then the legend of Jimmy Butler and Jimmy Butler's
own mind is bigger than the actual legend of Jimmy
Butler on the court.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
As much as I kind of don't disagree with MPJA
and how he's developed, I wouldn't go in that direction
if the Nuggets were looking to acquire other pieces to
make a run because there are some who have the
thought ben that maybe right the leadership of Nicola Jokic,
and we know Nicola leads by action and he's not
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very verbal. But there are those who believe that if
you were to add to Jimmy Butler being around the
Kola Jokic would change all of that. I say, I
don't think so. If you got a guy who's done
this on three stops, what makes you think he's gonna
somehow come to Denver and all of a sudden he's
gonna change his ways?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
No, I mean he's thirty five years old. Everything about
Jimmy Butler is ingrained in his DNA. You're not changing
at thirty five years old. How many years does he
have left at this point? And the other side of
this is the Nuggets need depth then, but they also
need outside shooting.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
And I think give me some.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Pretty efficient outside show. See see listen to what you said.
He's he's pretty good. See the Nuggets don't need pretty good. Yeah,
they need someone that's really reliable. He's been in the
last three season.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I mean he doesn't shoot as much as he used
to out there, but he's been pretty efficient the last
three years thirty thirty eight percent.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
That's that's okay.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
See, I see once again you said pretty efficient, and that's.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Okay, right.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I don't want that if you were getting married, Greg,
check this out. If you were getting married and someone
say that, hey, you know how things are going with
your with your wife before the way? Oh well things
are pretty good, pretty efficient, okay, okay, okay, you.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Know what that means. Yeah, that's not gonna last long.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
That ain't your wife.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
That's well.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
And the guy that I wanted them to go out,
he is probably not somebody you can get now. Uh.
And and that was Buddy Heel. That was who I
wanted them to go out and get out of Gonda State.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, I think, but I think they're okay with Buddy
here because they loved point shooting.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
That's what they do, right.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
So I say, that's who I wanted the Nuggets to
go get. Was Buddy Heel. I wanted to go get
HP before he signed with Golden State this year.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Like that, to me, that was the guy you wanted
coming off the bench, right, that was the sixth man
you wanted to put some energy into it. Come off
the bench, he can he can score in bunches. You know,
he's he's good from the perimeter. He jacks up those
perimeter shots and me shooting what seven seven and a
half times from beyond the arc per game this season
he hits about thirty eight percent of I mean that
to me, that was what you wanted off the off
(12:27):
the bench.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
That like that defencenzo right, yeah, yes he can, he
can do that. He can spread the floor. But I
think is a point guard. Isn't he like an off guard?
A point guard? Yeah, but once again heels for two
and a three. Yeah, but we're looking at outside shooting.
How can you make this team better not just from
an outside shooting standpoint, but also a defensive standpoint as well.
(12:51):
Like you saw the Houston game, right, you saw how
the Nuggets didn't really defend the perimeter and what Houston
was able to do. Once again, you still need defensive players.
You still need a lockdown guy, and right now, you
know Aaron Gordon is in and out a lineup due
to injury.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
You need someone who is a lockdown.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Guy, and the Nuggets really don't have that guy outside
of Aaron Gordon and.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I'm trying to think of somebody that could go out
and get that provides that parimeter boosted also prize, because
I mean, you go get you know, Memphis would trade
Luke Canard, but he's not a defender, right, So I
mean you can go get parimeter shooting, but usually the
guys who are those shooters are not the world's greatest defenders.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Most of the time, you're not finding somebody who does both.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, but if the Nuggets and Cavin Booth is considering this,
you don't want to get a guy on just kind
of a rent for a higher deal, right, I mean,
because if you're trading away assets to acquire assets you
feel that can help the Nuggets push for another title,
you at least want those guys here for at least
two to maybe three years, because just getting a rent
(13:58):
for a higher guy that may not actually get the
Nuggets to where they want to be, and then now
it's a rentive, repeat rents and repeat cycle that you
don't want to be in.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, I'm just trying to think of available you know,
twos or threes that could add to the shooting and
everybody I'm thinking of as a poor defender, I just
talk about Canard a mere coffee from the Clippers. You know,
those guys are perimeter bombers, but they don't particularly defend
all that well, so that that doesn't really help you.
Because the Nuggets problem has not been scoring points this year.
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It's been stopping other teams from scoring points.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Absolutely, and then that it just seemed like the Nuggets
have had an ongoing problem with scoring, especially on that
second unit. They tried to mix it match and modify it.
But I guess the idea is like, as long as
you have a healthy d covid yokitch, you're in every
(14:53):
single game that you play inc Yeah, ither figure at
some point because all the games he played here an
NBA and you know, games playing an Olympics, his body
is going to break down.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
Because that's the pro and.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Con to having a talented player and the talented team
and having a deep playoff push.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
Your off season is really short.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah, I mean yeah, and that's you know, it's it's tough.
What are you gonna do because at this point, I mean,
Brown's been a middle of the road defender. Uh And
I'm being charitable with that. Porter's kind of a middle
of the road defender. Brown's are his best coming off
the bench, and they've had to use him now they
they've changed things up recently to where they put Russ
Westbrook and Jamal Murray in the lineup to start as
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the backcourt.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
That let's bron come.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Off the bench where he's most effective, and that gives
you a little something. The question is what are you
doing with Aaron Gordon when he gets back? How are
you working that rotation? In US? As you're starting five?
Gonna wind up being that? And then your your bench
is Braud and Strowther and Watson.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
You know what. I like Watson, I like Strawther.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I mean those guys have seen quality minutes and they
play effectively. But once again, it's still a work in progress.
And if you are coach Malone, Coach Malone doesn't have
a lot of hair, so I mean he's got to
pull most of it out. But it is stressful for
him to watch his team not compete defensively.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
You know, as a defensive mind that it is.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
And you would think that the players would actually know
that about him and they would give that effort, But
they don't give that effort all the time. And it
seem as though if Nikola Yolkis.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
Is out of the game. It's just like they go.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Into the game like, well, we can't win the game,
so why even making the temp. That's what that on
the outside looking in, that's what it seemed.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
Like to me.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah, I could be wrong. Well, I mean no, it's
I think you're I think you're on point. And it's
just it's tough when you look at this, like, what
are you gonna do? You're locked into the contract you have.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
There's not really a whole lot of maneuverability unless you're
blowing it up to change anything, and you've got to
find players who can play, and you know, it's it's
it's been interesting because as much as I like straw
thirty shooting ability, he's been a liability on defense. Uh
And Peate Watson is not exactly you know, he's supposed.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
To be the more defensive minded guy hasn't exactly been
a great defender this season either.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
It picked up the offense on his end a little bit,
but he hasn't you know, the defense hasn't been where.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
It needs to be.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
And so you know, I don't know what you do there,
but I do know getting back to the topic at hand.
I don't want any part of Jimmy Butler here in Denver.
No where where would he go? Like where where would you.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Send him out of Miami?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I mean, all things being equal, though, let's let's say
let's say you know, I mean, if you're you could
pick any team, any NBA team right now, and you're
gonna but your first movie is you're trading for Jimmy Butler.
What what team do you do? What team is is they?
So I can get rid of him and send him
to any team?
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Yeah? Okay, Now, well I'm.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Saying you get to take over the team that he
gets sent to.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
What team is that? Oh?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Wow? The Warriors?
Speaker 6 (17:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
What are they doing?
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Who are they trading? Buddy Healed? And what Buddy Healed?
And Draymond?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
No, I can tell you right now gold as they
they are not they Let Draymond just walk out the door.
Speaker 6 (18:03):
They're not gonna do it like that.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And I don't think Steph and Jimmy are co existing either.
I just don't.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
That's the thing.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
It's personality clashing. Like we all have members in our
family that we know, Okay, this on, an uncle can't
be in the same place because if they are is
going down.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
It's that type of thing. So when you're asking where does.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Jimmy fit around the league, it's not just about his
athletic ability right in his toughness, It's just like does
he fit in the locker room?
Speaker 6 (18:35):
That's the thing that's important.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
What about the signs? They have some pieces they can.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
That's where he wants to go.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, that's that's where he wants to go.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
To me, And I don't think would hapen because don't
think you're trading him like this, But the Knicks would
seem to be the team, wouldn't it.
Speaker 6 (18:47):
Pat Robins is not gonna do.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
That's what I'm saying that they know, but that would
be the guy. If you're Jimmy, that's where you want
to go, right the coaching drafted you.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
Tom Thibodeau.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I don't know for me at this particular point, Man
anywhere out of Miami because he's just kind of causing
chaos in.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
The locker room. Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, you
have to they're at the point where they have to
move him at this point. I mean, it's it's it's
an absurdity. The question is what are they gonna get
BA Where they're gonna move, we come back.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
We're to talk about the Broncos fire a coach today.
This is Broncos Country Night kaway five.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Six six nine Zeros text line. You know went down
for real today. Think Quicca fired by the Denver Broncos.
And Brocos had already let Mike west Off go under.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
The auspices of the health issues that he was having.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I don't necessarily agree with letting Ben Quick go, but
I think I think Sean Payton, I'm trying to think
of the.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Nice way to say. This is a nice way I
say this again. You are trying to do I'm trying
to hell of a job of it. Yeah, I'm trying
to tap answer a little bit.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I'm gonna say snip and fredis still okay and spit
that mug out.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
He spit it out. He was looking at. Somebody had
to swing. They did, you know, they didn't get where
they wanted to go, and there were several things down
the down the stretch. Somebody had to swing. It wound
up being him.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
You couldn't fire advance, Joseph because the defense carried you
all year, so you went with the easy thing.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Fired the special teams, coach and blamed it on a
blocked field goal in Kansas City and missed field goals
against UH Buffalo and Cincinnati, and I think you go
and and the penalty on Tremont Smith at the end
of the half.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
That's Look, I'm not I don't agree with it.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I'm saying, that's what you do. You you, that's your
pr move. We're not going to do the mistakes.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
We're not gonna do I'm not gonna do that because
right now.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
Bigot Wicker, you might as well call him Lee Majors because.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Right, and Ryan Goslily get to do the new movie.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
I thought that, right, I thought the Ryan gosleey mo was.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I mean, I think I can never get past the
fact that he was an absolute liability at the corner and
had to give up a spot to beauty.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
But but he moved on it the biggest thing to
biggest thing. Yeah, this this boils me over.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
Man, because I've seen this happen to a lot of coaches,
and I get it.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
The season doesn't work out the way you want to,
and you're going to do some self reflection, some evaluating
of players and staff as you move forward. But this
one just doesn't sit right because for anyone to blame
coach Big kok Wicker for the fact of what happened
(21:34):
in Kansas City, Alex ForSight, the fact that the kanc
City Chiefs saw something take advantage of it, overloaded that
side because you can't overload the center, but you can't
overla overload the guys on the side and take advantage
of it.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
That's great execution.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Right. And then also the thing that happened with Tremont
Smith with something that we haven't seen in football in years,
but coach Harbaugh coaches.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
It up, which, by the way, if you.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Watch the Chargers game against.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I was like, look he did.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
He tried to stick his knee out there and throw
all the content.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I'm telling you it's a coaching point.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
I know that special teams coordinator over there, Gay, I
know what they're doing. Even if it's a coach, Buddy
Mario's cousin Ryan thinking is Mario attensis Cussin.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
But even if it's a coaching point, right, you have
to be aware as a player what happened in that
Charges game, that happened going into halftime. The game wasn't
even concluded at that point, right, And It wasn't Vincut
Wicker who made that mistake.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
It was Timon Smith. Right, you got to track the
ball as.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
A gunner, the ball in flight, but also you have
to know the rules right, stay within and say a
certain distance from that guy.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Either you making the play or you're not making the play.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
As soon as his hand goes up, pull up and
if you would yells up, matt him or jump in
the air or whatever, that's fine, but don't get within
that radar home.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
You know that as a veteran, everybody knows that Sir
Tamon Smith suld have known that that's not been caught.
Wicks fault, the fact that somebody's got a swing for
that though I know, Man Dayton, look man, that's not
even fair. Will let's doi king right before had.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
First of all, we can't call that a dooint. That
thing was so loud that it is a gong.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Okay, the gong right, the gong is at like Okay,
that was like, that's not been caught Wick's fault. I'm
not saying that.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
What I'm saying is just and I'm coming at this
from Sean Payton's perspective, even though I disagree with it.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Because I'm with you on this. What are you doing?
Fire this guy? What'd you bring him in for the
firt place? You're gonna fire him?
Speaker 6 (23:34):
Aft to one year.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
He's been a special teams coordinatorround the league for a
long time.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
He was he was in he was in Minnesota, he
was in Atlanta with Dan Quinn.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Because I don't get it he was, nor was he Washington.
I believe it is.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
He's uh.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
And he took a year off in between there. It
was an army for a year.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Sell me this concept and this idea that.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Agree with you.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Breakdowns over the course of the year, and that's your domain.
We had, we had, we missed field goals down the
stretch and the clutch when we needed him. We we
have special teams coverage lapses. Of course, this points that's
his fault. That's what stops with somebody, right, I think
the bucks should stop. Well, I think we all know
where I think the buck should stop. But it's that
that's that's who that guy is. There's always somebody to blame.
(24:15):
And I said that when we hired him. There's always
somebody to blame.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
This has not been cut Wicks.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I agree, I agree, is that's what these majors of
the situation.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yes he is, That's exactly what it is.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
He who is it?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Chris Carter? You gotta have a fall guy.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
And Ben cut wickeds the fall guy is the fall
Let's be.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Fair, Darren Rizzy, your boy is sitting out there right now, unemployed,
and you've got to beat on bringing him in. So
that's the other half of this equation. So let me
look at this from this other standpoint. So you look
at the Broncos. I believe Leam the league in.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Punt returns with Marvin Man whole pro punt returners lakes
his retard to the pro bo for the second year
in a row.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
That doesn't count all Pro, by the way, too, all
Pro all Pro.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Will Lutz tying Jason Eagle's franchise single season record.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
For field goals with thirty one.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I would like to think that wouldn't that be part
of bencot Wicker's resume as well? If you're gonna shot
all that other stuff, why not put all this in
there too as well.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I'm with you on that, but I just I know
the way that this person thinks, and I know I
know enough about it and have seen from people who've
worked with him before.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I thinks, and they don't.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
You know, the.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Expectation is the success that's you did your job, you
do that, you get you did your job, you get
a little.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Sticker congratulations, did your job. But things go wrong, you
get blamed.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Well because he's not taking Wait wait, if I'm not mistaken,
Will Lutz is the Saints guy.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
But if he's.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Missing those field goals? Is anyone talking to him about that?
Are the same conversations going back.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
And forth to me, like, I'm with you, we're at
lockstep on this, but I we're on radio right now,
so I'm doing the opposite side. I'm playing the avocatis
dabala the Devil's advocated and that he think this is
where this is how this guy operates. If things go wrong,
some who's to blame? Okay, We're moving on like that.
(26:13):
That's that's how he does that. You know who on
my staff is in charge of that? You're the one
to blame?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Okay for it? What's the That was my horrible Trump
impersonation there.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I didn't know if that was Trump or miss the Birds.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
I had no idea. What's fun that was? Listen, I
know every single year.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Once again, there's always evaluations. But for me, it's like,
can we be fair about the evaluations? Are we just
only pointing out what what is perceived to be out
points and then when we look at those out points,
how much of that was on the coach and how
much of that was on.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
The plane executes. I'm with you, I'm one hundred percent
with you on this. You're not You're you're apprecing the
choir on that.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I'm just trying to the other side of the coin,
because you know how it is. Any time I ever
give a criticis as Sean Payton's because people think I
hate him or whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Sus Well, I don't hate the guy.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I just like I know people that worked with him,
and I know how how that operation is, and I
tried to warn about some of that kind of stuff
when he came in. You know, the people who are like, oh,
he's gonna you know, he's gonna bring in all his guys.
You're gonna be the Saints West, well, yeah, you know,
and they're like, no, he's not.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Well, here you go.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Uh, And he's gonna be loyal to him to a
fault and he's gonna blame everybody you know, and those
kinds of things. Those are the negatives that come there
are there are positives that come with Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
He's elemated the culture here. They're a professional franchise again,
They're not a laughing stock like they used to be. Okay,
but there are other aspects of that to come with it.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
And I'm telling you end of the season, they don't
they don't get where they want to go.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
And he's disappointed. He's going on one and he's he's
firing people.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
Okay, when Sean Payton came over.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Even before Sean Payton came in, the Broncos Special Teams
unit were not tops.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
They've been bad for a while.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
Yeah, they weren't even top ten.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
We can go back to who is the guy that
was was it McMahon?
Speaker 6 (27:58):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Was here? Yes?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
When we were an embarrassment.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yes, So this is why Sean Payton talked Mike west
Off into coming out of retirement to coach, and he
brought his guys. They caught Wicker Chris Banjer who also
played for Seawan down in New Orleans.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Right, so things were going great now.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I can understand he say, well, if when Mike Westoff
kind of said, you know what, I'm gonna have to
lead because of my health issues. If we saw the
Broncos special team's units started to tank, then I'll go, Okay,
you know what, You're well within your own rights. You
are justified with what your your decision. But it didn't
(28:40):
go down. It didn't go down.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Ben, you got it. Well we got better. Yes.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
So I've been trying to make this make sense to me,
being the guy that cut my teeth in this league,
as a special teams guy that came into this league,
if Mike Westoff was my special team's coach, knowing how
important special teams is, I'm trying to make this make sense,
and it just doesn't. Two until is not equaling four.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Here, all right, I'm with you on that. I wouldn't
be surprised if we go get there Rizzy.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
By the way, Chris Banjo was a Vance Joseph guy
to who played on Vance's defense as well as haven't
been brought in the lead by Shot Payton, So a
little bit of double coverage there with him.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Packed line, several people chiming in.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Didn't Ben Kouwika just have a critical special team's play
work with the fake punt pass from Riley Dixon.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
That's that's another puzz for his resume. Did yell that
should count? Right?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I'm I'm with you on that.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
The Broncos led league in punt returns this season fifteen
point seven per return.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Marvin Marvin Nims was named the All Pro. And then,
as you mentioned, kicker.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Will Lutz tie Jason Neeland for the franchises single season
record for vehicles with thirty one kick.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
On the way and it hits the right upright and.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
Is no good.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
No, that's not what he made. That's not what he made.
But that wasn't a toy koll. That isn't gong like
that like a micro upright.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
It was. It was ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
It's interesting because you know when west Off and I'm
using air quotes here in the studio retired, I guess
that made him vulnerable because it was a it was
kind of a duo a plan when they was a
package deal. They west Off wanted to do it, but
they felt like he might have been a little too
old to handle the day to day. So what they
did was it was a package deal. They brought a
kuitka to coach, you know, west off at scheming up
(30:24):
and Kuitka would would get out there run practice and
organize things and coach guys up and that kind of stuff.
And I don't know at the end of the day,
that's that's the direction that they think.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
But Ben, the idea is that this is say that
was the package deal, that was the original deal, But
did the special teams unit suffer? That's what you start
to evaluate. That's what we're looking at.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I don't think so, but I can go back to
that game when Sean Payton specifically said that it wasn't
Forsyth's fault on the block, so he said, this isn't
on the player, it's on us as coaches.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
And at that point in time, he.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Heard the clock this ticket, He's gonna blame somebody, He's
gonna you know. And I have a soft spot for
Ben Koa who's an Army veteran and he flew helicopters
in Iraq and Bosni and Korea.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
You know, I have a soft spot for Bankowick.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
But that you knew the countdown was on as soon
as Sean pay that's what he does.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
But then does coach speak when you say, well, you
know what when you lose, Hey, you know what, that
was on us as coaches.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
We didn't do a great job.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
We didn't prepare them throughout the week, right, So it's
all on us. And then you go in the room
and you break it down individually and you talk to
the player that wasn't ben cut with its fault.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
I mean, if someone wants in.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
The text line, wants to text up and tell me
that a call in, or someone else wants to say
that it was we can have that back and forth.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Broncos finish top ten and net punting average, park return average,
part return average against field goal percentage. Marvin mems a
back to back all pro to me, this is just
at the end of the day, this is him pointing
to figure somebody had to swing and that's what he did,
and then he gets to hire his buddy theoretically in
Darren Rizzy to come in and coach special teams like
that's that's the only thing that I can I can do.
(32:01):
There are people out there who have tried to posit
other things like what well on on Twitter I saw
earlier today Sarah Benger, who's does the believe it's predominantly orange.
Uh said that the block field goal at Kansas City
and subsequent evidence that weakness was based on tape study
and not a fluke, Riley Dixon's horrible games in LA
and Cincinnati, Frey Mount Smith's fair catch versus the Chargers,
(32:25):
multiple kickoffs in the landing zone resulting in poor starting
field position, and so he says that, you know, I'm like,
I don't know that I necessarily agree with all of that,
because again, we just pointed out these other things that
Broncos finished out ten.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
And aren't those all things that are.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Players doing the bad, doing the wrong thing, like Riley
Dixon's poor punts being Kuika can't go out and pump
for him, will Let's missed field goal.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
I mean, what are we talking about here? I'm I'm
with you, I'm with both of you on this. I'm
just trying to present the other side, you know, so
they give them.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
You're presenting stinks and all the stuff that is being
thrown out there.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Who was it that you said put this out on? Look, man,
let me let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I'm not saying anything negative about them. But if you
are searching for something, most likely you're gonna find it,
and you're looking to pin something on someone, And my
idea is that if you're going to do that, and
that's the game that we're gonna play, you might as
well look and talk about the things that they did
well instead of getting a laundry list of why they
(33:28):
were fired because they did this, because when you look
at what the Broncos have.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
Done, they've done a great job on the special teams.
For me, I still don't understand this.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
We come back, we come back. We're gonna let it.
Nick ran a little harder on this.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
We'rels gonna talk about Sean Payton sad the season presser.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I'm pretty sure we got some bone to picks there
as well. Us in a Broncos country, not Ki
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