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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome into the Broncos country slash Heightease Country tonight, Dunjamin
Old right, ferguson the high knees, Hall of Famer, Steve
Apple Boy, Christmas Mustache in the house.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Woos looking there we go, We thank you, thank you. You
think it's ridiculous? Man still jous.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Five six six nine zero is the text line. You
guys want to get involved in the conversation. Ticka Javala
going to join us a little later in the show.
Talk about those Washington commanders.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yeah, Mickey, I see you doing it all right.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
She covers the covers commanders of the Washington beat obviously,
and uh so looking forward to to doing that. We
had a little bit of a truncated show tonight because
we got the Buffs versus b Yu basketball coming up.
So we'll be out of here about eight thirty. Just
so you guys know the programming note as far as
that kind of stuff goes. Steve, how you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Hey? Doing all right? Man? Doing right? Gon be better?
You know we were in the playoff. I'd be a
little better when we made the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I'm done. We were we got bounce for the playoffs.
You mean you wanted the extended version to the player. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
he wants the Lord of the Rings. You want the
extended edition again.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I was happy. I was happy with the season. Happy.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Some some playmakers, yes, emerged and some didn't.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
We don't talk about them. What mean we don't?
Speaker 4 (01:11):
No, No, this show we talk about everything. Everything is
on the table. Every single thing is on the table,
right because you know what everything starting off? Guys. The
reason why Steve because obviously, you know, the Broncos made
(01:33):
the playoffs. Uh, it was highly unexpected by a lot
of individuals.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Outside of Denver.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
But also it leads to talking about what the team
needs to do in the off season to improve.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
So that's why I say, we talk about the good.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
And the bad, ye, but you don't necessarily say, well,
this guy was terrible.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
No, no, no, no, he see there's enough people here
in this market. Was no no, no, no, day can
do that. That's not what I do.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yes, Nick trying, he's doing this, but he wants to
be the next Kip Bayless.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
That's what he told me. I mean, right now, I
guess it's a little hot water right now, but it's.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Like the worst one put me in that Diddy Janet
did you see a Chappelle bit on that. By the way,
did the monologue on any he was joking about the
diddy thing, yes, because he was like, man, I heard
this rumor on the internet and they got Carl Winslow,
you know, the Dad party whatever, and he's just said,
there's a man I didn't get invited.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
How I was like, man, that.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Was a good if you haven't you know, caught that
monologue from Dave Spelle. I think it was my seventeen
minutes long. It was great, it was it was Yeah,
it was classic day.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, it was. It was good stuff. And I'm a
big fan of Dave Chapelle, So.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Yeah, he can go for hours straight comedy six six
nine zero is.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
The text line.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Now we're starting to get some of his coaching hires
come in the cycle.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I'm three for three so far.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Man, I'm sitting there myself on the back Ben Johnson
to the Bear. But I was telling you it was
gonna be the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I was telling you he was gonna be the Bears.
You guys know where to get you in phone.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
I'm just telling you you're a real insider, bro.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
You have You've been getting in faced from the.
Speaker 7 (03:10):
Source I remember what's not Actually it was something you did.
I had to go take a phone call. He was
just back when we were at the other studio. I
had to go take a phone call and and he
was like, I can't remember what you said. You said
something you like.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Whatever, and you come back and on the caller ID
it was a general manager for a while. He's not
a general measuring more, but he was a general manager
for a team on the color Ide.
Speaker 8 (03:29):
And he's like, no, yeah, man, oh yeah, I got you.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I'm not saying it.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I'm like, it's not like you know everybody, but there's
a that you know, I to talk to me for
whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Man, You know, Ben is.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Right like me.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
You when you call certain people, and since I'm playing
this league a long time and Steve you have to
as well. There's certain people who are connected throughout the
league and sometimes all you have to do is call
him and just say what's up?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Oh yeah, and then the faucet opens up. They and
they love. That's the weirdest thing. People love to talk
to me. It's the weirdest thing.
Speaker 9 (04:06):
May be asked a question, do they have an obligation
to the team not to do that?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Though well, I don't think they care. You tell me this, Ben.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Okay, there may be an obligation to the team, but
you know who you're talking to and knowing that that
person will not out you as a source and it
will not kind of get back to that person.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
It's also it's also for me like when you know,
when you're talking to me, it's a given a take,
you're asking for something to You're asking for a piece
of information that I'm giving.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
You, and you're giving me something back.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
So I put something in the vault so I can
you know, I can keep the circle going.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
I'm about to say, boy, I come from Stitch.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I'm cold to say just a hypothetical, total hypothetical, and
we'll say, uh must say our good buddy coach Pagano
got a front.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Office job at Russia.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Okay, right, so he wants he's getting close to the
draft and they need to know.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
You know, who's who's picking in front of them.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I'm not quite sure who's who's taking what you hearing, Ben,
So I go sniff around a little bit, get over ratione.
I come back to them and I'm like, well, you're
looking to take there, you know, So I put that
the vault so that I got it. And then we
go from next to the left hand washes.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
The right hand.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yes, And like my father used to say, even swap
is not a swindle.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
The father was full of great he needs to write
a book that he I get. I get that, but
it just doesn't seem right. You know, when I know something,
it costs you. It costs you.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
The whole idea is as long as it doesn't come
back to the source.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, man, I just i'brate it like that. You you
don't know, but I like, that's my whole world.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Like my world offers like that thinks start going down
amobile to the scene, Like that's why I go down,
because all them guys are there in the same spot.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
You got to bar night.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
You know, he let me get your beer, man, let
your boy for a minute.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
You know, they get that that that truth sermon, and
they start.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Talking to you like I'll come out of there. It's through.
I'll come out of there with some bars that but
that I mean, that's the thing. That's how my world operates.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
And I'm not again, I am not Adam shaft Urry
and rapport all that kind of stufflthough I talk to
those guys.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
On the regular.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Like, but but that's how my world works. It's just
like I'm doing a favor for you, honey, you gotta
give me something, yeah, you know, and people know, like
I've gotten to the point now where because like I
burned early on when people giving me some figer, you know,
some nonsense every once in a while. Oh really, bro,
I'll cut you off. I will cut the faucet off.
They cut your water off right there. And that's that's
the thing.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
So if you you know, if you've bet a person
who did that to me, I'll cut you off. And
they know they know I'm not gonna out them.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
They know I'm not gonna get them bad into I'm
gonna give them what I what I hear and go
from there.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And so you know, that's that's kind of how I
made my living do it all that?
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Think about this, Uh, those who work in the world
of sports, individual teams, even in the league office, if
you have a good relationships with him, they may tell
you something and may be like, hey, listen, he is
what's coming down to Pike. Don't say anything about it.
I mean it's probably gonna happen in two weeks.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
So when it.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
When it does pop, you can come out and you
can tweet about it and say it and say, hey,
I had it first. How do you think when you
think about I rapp Report, all those guys. They know people,
and it's like Ben said, it's an exchanging of information.
There's nothing wrong if we happen to be exchanging information.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Case in point.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
See, I've never been to the combine, but I know
Bean and ryangoes. They have a certain place that they
you know, they like to die. And when they get
into that place, there's a lot of trade talk.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Right like the legal tampering period. I'll call it illegal
because this proversation, right because if you and.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
I are cool with one another, your GM one team,
I'm a GM another And I just said, hypothetically speaking
if this were to happen, what would that make you
guys do if you sit in that five it's.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Hypothetically No, I understand those kind of conversations, but man,
having conversations with people.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Okay, there's still the same team. It's still the same
thing with.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Not quite You're not going to snitch on me. I'm
not going to snitchee you. As long as we keep
that agreement, we could.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, they're not out in themselves because they get in
trouble for you. I'm not out of them because I'll
lose a store. So you know, we all know, right,
information is a good thing everybody for players. Oh man,
somebody not grow with snitching? Uh yeah, multiple people, bro.
You can think about it this way. Steve coaches up
front off people sometimes Honestly, it's funny.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
And I don't mean they're rough youly, sorry, Like it's
funny because most people assume that most of what I
do comes from agents, and that.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Is my least connected area is the is the agent.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I still have some agents that I talked to, you know,
guys like Eric perk Cart stuff like that, but like
I dude, I am for me. It's almost backwards. And
that was how so many people when they first met
me were like opposed because they're like, how is this
guy doing it? I know these agents, they don't know him,
so how's this guy doing it? And it was just direct,
you know.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
And what happens is that someone sees something, some interaction
going well, some interactions that didn't go well. It's like
it's it's hard for certain people to hold on to
that information and for them to process it, they have
to tell someone who they trust. I gotta get this
negative energy off of me so I can walk around
(09:33):
and I can do what I need to do. So
they may call someone and they may say, hey, listen
you you didn't hear this from.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Me, but listen what I'm saying. But once again, you
sound a little too close to it. So you get
to know.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Players, and you get to know coaches, and like I said,
sometimes individuals they need to get energy off of them
because they're like, well, if I don't say something about it,
I mean I may say something to the wrong person
and that's gonna really make it difficult for everyone else.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
So I'm gonna call this one.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Person and I'm gonna go in and give this information
of everything one person. Yes, do you have anyone in
your family that you can do that? Because I mean
I got one person in my family.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I'm the one the information. Do you have someone in
the in your family that like it's that go to
person beside my wife? Okay, but see besides your wife,
I mean for you as your wife.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I mean like coming up, you didn't have somebody like
you had a is you know, there's family issues and
you didn't know who to go to to kind of No,
don't care.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I'm just saying that.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
That's that's I've been that way as long as I
can remember something, and not just not just with information,
like you need something done, I got a guy or
I know the guy.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Yeah, for sure, but I just never I would I was,
I would you being in the locker room, you know,
stuff's going on. And then now the media, No, how
do they know about this? There was only players.
Speaker 10 (11:06):
There because somebody okay, think about it, and a lot
of a lot of situations just breaking news, right, and
it's just like, well, how.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Did this person continue to get that information about this
single team from someone? I mean, and so many people
who have elevated their careers being able to do it,
like Adam Schefter one of those guys, Brian Windhort's one
of those guys.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
How do you think they got there? The same thing.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Rapples with the Patriots, you know, with the Boston Globe.
Schefter was here, Yeah, the Broncos. That's that's how you
do it.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
You just you know, and you.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
As those coaches and players go other places, you keep
in touch and you know, and that and then you
really start to flesh out your network a little bit.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Here's the other thing too, Sometimes teams have put information.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Out just to see who's who's.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
That.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I mean, if you're a player and you want, like
let's say, let's say you're a player here in Denver, right,
you're about to hit free agency, and you want, you know,
you want to make sure you maximize your market.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Well you want immediate guy tweet about.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
All these offers, you got, all this stuff you got
coming in, so you're sitting you know that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I want to and I've ever done that. I'm not
not saying it sounds like.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Like you know, there's there's there's a there's a given,
a take to it with all of it, and I
liked I prefer just to do it direct with players
and teams and you know, with the agents, because I
know the agents got an agenda. When you're coming at
it and you know the player, it's a little bit different. Yeah,
they got agenda, but it's self preservation.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
You know. Think about it this way.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
If you know that you're on a team and a
player is his contract is coming up, right, you want.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
To find ways to retain that player. How do you
do that about. That's a hometown discount to stand.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Yeah, you know, he missed a couple of tackles to
the season. He wasn't really himself. He looked like he
kind of, you know, slid down from what he was
the previous year. The same thing happens with the draft, right.
You get agents who have connections with you know, uh,
individuals who put all the draft information out, the draft
analysts so called. Well you know what, you owe me
(13:18):
a favor. Hey talk my player up. You talked this
player down, my player goes up.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
You know, if things happened on this about one of
our safeties.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
About some stuff about maybe you going because.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Of salary, something like whoa. How do you think that
got out there? Do you think something you think some
blogger cook that up and people paid attention, or you
think somebody let me find out?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Do you think there's stuff teams have been playing this game.
Here's teams used to leak to these media guys, to
the media guys.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
And I say these media guys, man, I guess I'm
a meaty guy. But like the teams used to do
this all the time stud they played the game. Ben
is one of these guys. I'm not as you got
to pat him down. Let me get my the mic.
Speaker 9 (14:08):
Turned inside the blazer jacket somebody around town.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yes, exactly, Yeah, I gotta say you that's I guess
that's what you gotta be. You know, hey, you gotta
have a relationship.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I'm just saying like I'm you know, I provide a service,
Anny which way.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
You slice it?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
So he's like, you know, like uh Liam Neeson and
take it. I have a particular set of skills exactly.
Nobody knows, Mike. I'm more like Peter Dinklic in Game
of Thrones. Okay, I do two things.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I drink and I know things. That's good.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
That's a bad.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Combination because if you got a guy who knows things
and he drinks, all you gotta do is keep giving
him drinks and he gotta tell you know, you.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Know, how to keep that ull shut. Actually, more like
little Finger because I'm trying to manipulate stuff. Wait wait, wait, you.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Youre just talking about the bolls. I mean, are you
like elaying from Seinfeld? You use some peppermint snaps and
you know.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Thumbs up dancing man.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Let me say it like, you know you can be
able to hold your boost like you know you I
would have made it this far if I was sitting
there to shoot my mouth off.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I can. I'll tell you this.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
There's a lot of stories that I know from my
career of stories that were.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Told after Friday nights, but they were.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Told Saturday morning before practice and their teammates who.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Are somewhat concerned.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
If I ever wrote a book these days now, all
might end up in the book. I mean, I could
change the name just to protect the innocent guilty.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I'm just saying, just think of Steve. Steve.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Not not to out anyone, because this is not what
we're doing, but just think about when you played right
on those back to back teams.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
You knew who those guys were. If everyone had those
guys on their team, some are guys who were out
they weren't supposed to do, guys who got the stories
about Let me, let me put this a different way.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
You remember when Chris Carter said her, but he needs a
fall guy.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Remember that you don't need a fall guy anymore.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
You need to spin guy. You need a guy who
can if something happened, because in the age of cell phones,
ain't gonna be a fall guy. You've getting caught in
three you know in four K you need to spin. Guy,
you need somebody to go Well, actually, what you know?
That's what you need you know?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
So that means that if a story, if you catch
win of a story, Steve, I need you to sit
on that story for a minute. All right, Well how
long should I sit on the story? I'll let you know. Okay, Well,
what are you gonna do for me for sitting on
this story? I'll tell you I did that. I did
that on a player getting suspended. Here see this is
the media world.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Said, you know, man, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 11 (16:40):
He asked me, it's Darks and Steve is Darks. He
was a yeah, I'm not an Yeah, I have not
done anyone.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, it sounds like to me, you know what I mean,
that's what.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
You have never heard me an incident and missing and
tied it to any player.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
So how can you say that an insider? You're a
former player. It happens to know how a lot of
things lead from the romant.
Speaker 12 (17:19):
But but you're describing my job. Yeah, but I've never
snitched on anyone. Now I couldn't name the names, but
that's not what we do.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
But the name I can't get the show back on
the rails. Just cut your DIY back at this.
Speaker 10 (17:41):
Grand you're playing the audio. Whoa England, mighty happy to
play that prisch Wow, Granted you're trying to throw that
in my fish take.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Man, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I yeah, brand that's that's
one was saying, Oh, grant by six.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Somebody asked, like, I got some weird questions on the
text line here after that segment we got.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
We'll get to some of those. But so the seven
to two as if that's how I do dating?
Speaker 4 (18:13):
What what?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
What?
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Like?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
That's how you've been if that's how I do dating?
And I don't know what that means, like in relation
to what what are you talking about? Like gather an
intel and trading it? Like I don't know, Okay, I
don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I don't know how to answer that one. I know,
put that put that put that one in content different
seven two O sks. If I really think that Pete
Carroll will take the Raiders job, I do. I think
he's a leader in the clubhouse.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Man.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I think they're going to give interviews to Robert Salah
and I think Shpagnolo.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
But I think Pete Carroll is a leader in the
clubhouse there.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
You know, once again, we talked about this last week
and you said that, and for me, as as a
football fan, period scares me.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I would I want to see that?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Really? Yes, because once again, think about what I'm saying.
I mean, the FC by itself is a more competitive conference.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
In my opinion than in a Murders role. Right.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
So the idea is coach. When we think about what
football is, it's entertainment. And think about the coaches that
would be in the a f C West. That's straight entertainment,
entertainment and like great coaches, great.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Coaches, And at least we know the chewing gum companies
are not going to go out a business anytime.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Chomping man. Just think about it, man. It would make this.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Division more competitive than it is, and it will make
it the most talked about division with historic coaching.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Just think about the historical coaching that you now have
in this division. We're not talking about.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
People will tell when all the teams are strong, and
then we'll we'll get we'll get the notoriety and they'll
start talking more.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Okay, well to me exactly.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
And then we got Steve Kle and the Raiders over there,
that's why, you know, But think about all of these
coaches would have made an appearance in the Super Bowl
or won a super Bowl. So it makes the team
that comes out of the division that much tougher. And
(20:35):
it's going to force teams to be more diligent when
it comes to their player evaluations.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah, I mean, you got a division that stacked is insane.
I mean, Carroll will make the Raiders better. It will
make the at least competitive. They might not be good,
but they'll be competitive.
Speaker 8 (20:48):
Who hasn't won the Super Bowl, hasn't won a Super Bowl,
but won a national Pendo super Bowl and won a
national championship at collegiate level. Pete Carroll's won both h
and he's been to what two Super Bowls and to
two Super Bowls and one national championships.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Jeohn Payton won a Super Bowl and Andy Reid is
wanting to know how many players ones?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, so I'm just saying they think of the hardware.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Ye the Raiders were to get, uh, I guess they're
their future quarterback?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Oh man, you got runs Roman.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
See I think you bring Pete Carroll in and you
got you understand that you're a four year build, right
and you're gonna be a run team. You gonna try
to find you a quarterback for a bridge guy for
a year, and then you're looking for you dude next
year with that's arch Manning or something like that. You're
looking at it and then all of a sudden, look
at this division you have. Then you have what mahomes,
Herbert Bodis and arch mann not in this division.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
You know that kind of thing. I man, I want
it because I want it for that, But I'm like
the Broncos on the other side of that. I like
to be in the playoffs and I like to have
those two guinea games with the Raiders. We're not gonna
have those. Listen.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
The idea is that you want to face the best
competition with you there is, so so when you beat them,
you can actually pound your chest and say, well we
did that, instead of having like an easy pad.
Speaker 9 (22:06):
That's why sometimes sometimes yes, you're like, look we could
just mail it in half a season.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
That's crazy too. And they they've been good ever since.
The new coach guy, Yeah you.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Got you got the Jags, the Titans, those guys are
always gonna be battling it out for a top five pick.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Well, well they're not. The Colts are at least middling.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Well, the Colts think that they're going to be better
defensively Louanna Roomo, Now, yeah, exactly instead of Gus Bradley.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
So that gives the Colts an opportunity to somewhat turn
the corner.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
But if you were to look at the conferences and
compare them top to bottom, the AFC is the most challenging.
It's the it's the conference that's going to i mean
beat you up from a team standpoint physically, and it's
going to straight you from the level of creativity from
a coaching standpoint.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
And that was one of the things I was talking
about when I was laying out the case. On Twitter
is talking about the Ben Johnson thing because people are
talking about him to the Raiders. I'm like, he's going
to the Bears. But we'll play this out for you. Uh,
you don't go to the Raiders because look at the
division you're jumping into. You've got a massive rebuild, and
look at the teams you're up against, Like there's no
there's no margin for error. There you go, you know,
as a coach, you don't have the kind of time
and oh, by the way, you're up against it. And
they're all like, well, but look at the NFC North.
(23:24):
I'm like, well, actually, the nc North is about to
lose both the Detroit S go lose both their coordinators
and go to take a step back. Then you got Minnesota,
who's gonna be breaking in a rookie who I mean
Jane mccars got drafted last round, but he means first
time starter, right, So Minnesota probably take a little step back.
And now you got you go Green Bay was okay
this year, but they weren't great. And you got Chicago,
k you know, you put an offensive line in front.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Of me, you might have something.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
So like, the NFC North looked as tough this year,
but I don't think going forward is as tough as
somebody that's that's.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
A tough thing about football. And when you start doing
well next year, you gotta have.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Yeah. Yeah, But Mike's Jennahan famously said this, when it
comes to your your coaches, you have to make sure
you coach your coaches and you have to know that
if you're doing well as a team, you're going to
lose coaches.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, that's part of it.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
So you have to have that secondary coach, right, who
is just coaching secondary?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
You lose your defensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Have you coached him up enough so now he can
now move to your defensive coordinator position. That is something
that is translated well in San Francisco other than this year,
but that.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Is something that you definitely need to do. I agree,
and I'll tell you this, Ben Johnson.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Made a great decision even though he's still in the
same division with the Detroit Lions, based on everything you said.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Think about it.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
You get a young quarterback who's on a rookie deal,
so you have money to spend. You're good at wide
receiver with Dj Moore, Keenan Allen and Roma duon Say
you just drafted yes, Roma Duonsa, and you have swift
as your money.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Bag, right, and you got you gotta fix the offensive line,
but you got the skill position right.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
He did do that in this offseason.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
But he's looking at what he's leaving in Detroit, what
he's gaming in Chicago, and he's got a more athletic
quarterback than Jared Goff is fix your offensive line and
guess what. Now the Bears are in the conversation because
we know Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
He's going to be creative. We've seen it.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Yeah, created, but it's just he's just it than done
man to turn that roster around the quickly.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
But he's got the offensive pieces though, he got some.
He got the quarterbacks for Chicago and you have the Raiders,
and you gotta choose between them. Which one are you choosing?
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Chicago?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
You got a pre built defense, yes, right, you got
to You get the Raiders. You got what two three
players you got ross about half the defense though, I'm just.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Saying two you got.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
You got three guys you can build around on that team,
got Roight Hours on the offense. Second round you got
Mass Crosby defense, and then Nate Hobbs are really good
slot corners that they got over there. You don't have
a quarterback. They don't have they don't have much quarterback.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
This is that time they drafted the quarterback in the
first round. Raiders. Yeah, the last first round quarterback. Yeah,
that's what JaMarcus Russell.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Yes in a minute, and they were like, yeah, we're
not gonna make that mistake again. I mean, you can't
think that every quarterback is going to turn out like that.
Though you know, okay, that's all the team has to do, right,
they draft the guy at a certain position in the
first round. It doesn't work if he's a bitter tasting
him out, so they don't want to do it again.
(26:35):
Just like think about the teams who have drafted running
backs in the first round to John the carter with
the Cincinnati Bengals, right, things that work out all of
a sudden, they think, okay, well, we can't take a
running back in the.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
First round JaMarcus Russell because they took Derek Carr in
the second round. But JaMarcus Russell was the last quarterback
they took in the first round two thousand and seven.
Speaker 13 (26:52):
That's a long time, qby you had Derek Carr there,
you got at the beginning of the second round. And
they worked out to walk a little bit because would
you take a quarterback?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
And like most people, most teams take quarterback in the
first round. You're taking the play round. You take a
chance you got the first round. You're building around it.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Right, So for for the Raiders, it was just like, well, well,
don't have nothing to do. We don't have anything to
lose if we take him in the second round. Now,
you don't have that pressure, and that quarterback is not
playing with that pressure as though you were to play
with if he was drafted in the first round.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
But it's crazy how the Jets with Zach Wilson they
m they did. They were not patient enough. And I
think with Greg neat passing that we get the Marcus
(27:44):
Marcus lean man. That's a costume, dude. He ended up
blowing up by the time he was done. He was
at four hundred pounds for a minute.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Time he's down down, he's down to three twenty now
like now, now, wait a minute, he was four hundred up.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
To four hundred pounds in the last five years. Okay,
I thought he was just staying right now.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
He was like that.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
But yeah, yeah, he got a big boy because there
was a minute there where he.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Was trying to come back and he was gonna be
willing to come back as an offensive tackle.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
No way, Yes, I serious, one athletic tackle for sure.
Was he tough like that? I don't know. He didn't
didn't pan out, nobody tried he was.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
He was.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
There's a whole bunch of quarterbacks, but hey, hey, look
six six three forty at the time or whatever.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
It was. I mean, you give it a shot, haven't
come in for a tryout? What's a harm?
Speaker 4 (28:34):
No? No?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
The only only quarterback that I played with that cold
that was uh testa Birdie. Yeah, that dude was big
as thrown as an ox boy.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
What about Uh, well, you didn't play with Jared Lorensen,
but you remember the Pillsbury throw boy?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
No, you remember the kid out Kentucky, Kentucky, big old,
big old boy.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Remember Jared lorens In the hefty lefty dude sing yeah,
dude best. The best highlight ever is a preseason game
when he was with the Giants and hand off the
ruben drowns right and drowns, ends up cutting it back
this dude and he's I swear he was like three
forty like he's running. You would not fake butter being
running that. I'm gonna show you this highlight light. I'm
(29:14):
gonna show you this highlight. Dude, dude, I'm gonna show
you the highlight.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
No I'm not kidding.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
No, No, he outruns, drowns to throw a block, pave
the way.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I'm gonna show you this Kentucky. No, I don't remember.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
He played against when they called him the Hefty lefty
if he played against say anything, Well, I was thinking
that was like, I don't watch, I don't watch, got
to watch him.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I don't know. Serious, man, all the nicknames I called it. Yeah,
the hefty lefty throw boy. Yeah he was.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I mean he passed away a couple of years ago
because he's you know, he's a huge.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I try to remember exactly he's on the field.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Right, Well he was. I said, you guys, is overlapped.
I don't think you ever got a chance. No, I
know he got a chance to play against him per se.
But if he's on the field, you could have got him,
got him now. Yeah, I trusted my technique. I trusted
my technique. Oh I've been I'd been.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Like, I'm not hitting him in his chest.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
No, I'm I'm I'm gonna When he came out of Kentucky,
he was six three, two eighty eight and then he
got up over three hundred.
Speaker 14 (30:28):
Nick said he's gonna go to him, drop on him,
lay dropping your own.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
No, man, I gotta I gotta find some of these
some of these highlights do because you would not like
you look at this guy, he's huge, and you were
he could move like he could move.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I've never seen him but a big quarterback.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
My whole thing was, had he dropped a couple of pounds,
I mean he nice, Yes, he could have been nice.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yes, yeah, just highlight for you right now so you
can see him absolutely absurd where he hands the bowl
off to uh the drownds and drowns runs and then
he cuts it back across the field like back way
all of a sudden, this do you shoot gigantic gigantic
quarterback pass Ruben drowns to throw a block.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Because when you when you see him right, you may say, well,
if you've never seen him play, he was like, is
this dude a.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Lineman or to play a corner? Look like an offensive?
Speaker 4 (31:26):
You see him lining up behind the center, you think like,
is this a gadget player or not?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
With number two one?
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Yes, team team, yes, yes, because you think when you
see him line up, you think you thought it was
like kind of a gimmick play, but it's like, no,
dude can actually play.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
That's crazy. Yes, look it up, man, there's a baller man.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Yes, this is why you the whole saying never judge
a book by his cover. Yes, it was true with
that dude, I can't believe. Now I get to show
you hefty lefty highlight. Dude, I'm I'm still for the break.
He faded the league a coup of coffee that preseason.
This I'm about to say about it, but goes again
that was who would have line the molay, But it's
not starting the quarterback six three three forty.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Hey, if you design quarterback run, let's come on him,
come around the corner. Remember that play I was talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
I understand it.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
What that he threw for ten thousand, three hundred yards
in college, seventy eight touchdowns, forty one picks, ten thousand.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Three hundred fixus. You let the sec in passing at
two thousand. That's crazy, bro, you.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Had thirty six hundred yards that year. It's a freshman
full house backfire were coming down.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Here, boy, he's four house alright. Yeah, maybe he.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Said it went to like Army and navs who like
you average forty three yards of punt too, because they put.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Him in nerves of Potter and you're mastering a two
hund eighty pound Potter. Bro, that's too much athout letty.
That's athletic for to beat that size. When you look
at him, you're like, who can run?
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I'm gonna show you picture and you're be like Madnes
student and then I'm gonna show you a highlight and
you're not gonna believe that this dude was running this fast.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
As you know who was like that? Were I played with.
He didn't play quarterback though, Keith Traylor. Yeah, yeah, truck
and trailer. When he came out of college, he was
a linebacker.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Yeah, how do you how did you get that big?
He was big when he got out of but he
was but six two sixty three about two seventy. Yeah,
coming out of college. That's like Leavon Kirklin and geez
and could three sixty dump.
Speaker 15 (33:33):
Yeah, I'm talking about this like that Julius Peppers. You know,
size had some crazy hops. Dude was an athlete and yeah,
he just kept big and bigger. But he he'll remove
nickas old. Steve is always a blasting you his highlight.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Go see this all right, man? We gottahit a break
Funkle's country that rolls on of to this so
Welcome into the Broncos country slash Heightease Country tonight, Dunjamin
Old right, ferguson the high knees, Hall of Famer, Steve
Apple Boy, Christmas Mustache in the house.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Woos looking there we go, We thank you, thank you. You
think it's ridiculous? Man still jous.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Five six six nine zero is the text line. You
guys want to get involved in the conversation. Ticka Javala
going to join us a little later in the show.
Talk about those Washington commanders.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yeah, Mickey, I see you doing it all right.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
She covers the covers commanders of the Washington beat obviously,
and uh so looking forward to to doing that. We
had a little bit of a truncated show tonight because
we got the Buffs versus b Yu basketball coming up.
So we'll be out of here about eight thirty. Just
so you guys know the programming note as far as
that kind of stuff goes. Steve, how you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Hey? Doing all right? Man? Doing right? Gon be better?
You know we were in the playoff. I'd be a
little better when we made the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I'm done. We were we got bounce for the playoffs.
You mean you wanted the extended version to the player. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
he wants the Lord of the Rings. You want the
extended edition again.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I was happy. I was happy with the season. Happy.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Some some playmakers, yes, emerged and some didn't.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
We don't talk about them. What mean we don't?
Speaker 4 (01:11):
No, No, this show we talk about everything. Everything is
on the table. Every single thing is on the table,
right because you know what everything starting off? Guys. The
reason why Steve because obviously, you know, the Broncos made
(01:33):
the playoffs. Uh, it was highly unexpected by a lot
of individuals.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Outside of Denver.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
But also it leads to talking about what the team
needs to do in the off season to improve.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
So that's why I say, we talk about the good.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
And the bad, ye, but you don't necessarily say, well,
this guy was terrible.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
No, no, no, no, he see there's enough people here
in this market. Was no no, no, no, day can
do that. That's not what I do.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yes, Nick trying, he's doing this, but he wants to
be the next Kip Bayless.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
That's what he told me. I mean, right now, I
guess it's a little hot water right now, but it's.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Like the worst one put me in that Diddy Janet
did you see a Chappelle bit on that. By the way,
did the monologue on any he was joking about the
diddy thing, yes, because he was like, man, I heard
this rumor on the internet and they got Carl Winslow,
you know, the Dad party whatever, and he's just said,
there's a man I didn't get invited.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
How I was like, man, that.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Was a good if you haven't you know, caught that
monologue from Dave Spelle. I think it was my seventeen
minutes long. It was great, it was it was Yeah,
it was classic day.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, it was. It was good stuff. And I'm a
big fan of Dave Chapelle, So.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Yeah, he can go for hours straight comedy six six
nine zero is.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
The text line.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Now we're starting to get some of his coaching hires
come in the cycle.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I'm three for three so far.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Man, I'm sitting there myself on the back Ben Johnson
to the Bear. But I was telling you it was
gonna be the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I was telling you he was gonna be the Bears.
You guys know where to get you in phone.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
I'm just telling you you're a real insider, bro.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
You have You've been getting in faced from the.
Speaker 7 (03:10):
Source I remember what's not Actually it was something you did.
I had to go take a phone call. He was
just back when we were at the other studio. I
had to go take a phone call and and he
was like, I can't remember what you said. You said
something you like.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Whatever, and you come back and on the caller ID
it was a general manager for a while. He's not
a general measuring more, but he was a general manager
for a team on the color Ide.
Speaker 8 (03:29):
And he's like, no, yeah, man, oh yeah, I got you.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I'm not saying it.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I'm like, it's not like you know everybody, but there's
a that you know, I to talk to me for
whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Man, You know, Ben is.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Right like me.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
You when you call certain people, and since I'm playing
this league a long time and Steve you have to
as well. There's certain people who are connected throughout the
league and sometimes all you have to do is call
him and just say what's up?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Oh yeah, and then the faucet opens up. They and
they love. That's the weirdest thing. People love to talk
to me. It's the weirdest thing.
Speaker 9 (04:06):
May be asked a question, do they have an obligation
to the team not to do that?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Though well, I don't think they care. You tell me this, Ben.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Okay, there may be an obligation to the team, but
you know who you're talking to and knowing that that
person will not out you as a source and it
will not kind of get back to that person.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
It's also it's also for me like when you know,
when you're talking to me, it's a given a take,
you're asking for something to You're asking for a piece
of information that I'm giving.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
You, and you're giving me something back.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
So I put something in the vault so I can
you know, I can keep the circle going.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
I'm about to say, boy, I come from Stitch.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I'm cold to say just a hypothetical, total hypothetical, and
we'll say, uh must say our good buddy coach Pagano
got a front.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Office job at Russia.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Okay, right, so he wants he's getting close to the
draft and they need to know.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
You know, who's who's picking in front of them.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I'm not quite sure who's who's taking what you hearing, Ben,
So I go sniff around a little bit, get over ratione.
I come back to them and I'm like, well, you're
looking to take there, you know, So I put that
the vault so that I got it. And then we
go from next to the left hand washes.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
The right hand.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yes, And like my father used to say, even swap
is not a swindle.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
The father was full of great he needs to write
a book that he I get. I get that, but
it just doesn't seem right. You know, when I know something,
it costs you. It costs you.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
The whole idea is as long as it doesn't come
back to the source.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, man, I just i'brate it like that. You you
don't know, but I like, that's my whole world.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Like my world offers like that thinks start going down
amobile to the scene, Like that's why I go down,
because all them guys are there in the same spot.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
You got to bar night.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
You know, he let me get your beer, man, let
your boy for a minute.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
You know, they get that that that truth sermon, and
they start.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Talking to you like I'll come out of there. It's through.
I'll come out of there with some bars that but
that I mean, that's the thing. That's how my world operates.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
And I'm not again, I am not Adam shaft Urry
and rapport all that kind of stufflthough I talk to
those guys.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
On the regular.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Like, but but that's how my world works. It's just
like I'm doing a favor for you, honey, you gotta
give me something, yeah, you know, and people know, like
I've gotten to the point now where because like I
burned early on when people giving me some figer, you know,
some nonsense every once in a while. Oh really, bro,
I'll cut you off. I will cut the faucet off.
They cut your water off right there. And that's that's
the thing.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
So if you you know, if you've bet a person
who did that to me, I'll cut you off. And
they know they know I'm not gonna out them.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
They know I'm not gonna get them bad into I'm
gonna give them what I what I hear and go
from there.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And so you know, that's that's kind of how I
made my living do it all that?
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Think about this, Uh, those who work in the world
of sports, individual teams, even in the league office, if
you have a good relationships with him, they may tell
you something and may be like, hey, listen, he is
what's coming down to Pike. Don't say anything about it.
I mean it's probably gonna happen in two weeks.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
So when it.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
When it does pop, you can come out and you
can tweet about it and say it and say, hey,
I had it first. How do you think when you
think about I rapp Report, all those guys. They know people,
and it's like Ben said, it's an exchanging of information.
There's nothing wrong if we happen to be exchanging information.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Case in point.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
See, I've never been to the combine, but I know
Bean and ryangoes. They have a certain place that they
you know, they like to die. And when they get
into that place, there's a lot of trade talk.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Right like the legal tampering period. I'll call it illegal
because this proversation, right because if you and.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
I are cool with one another, your GM one team,
I'm a GM another And I just said, hypothetically speaking
if this were to happen, what would that make you
guys do if you sit in that five it's.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Hypothetically No, I understand those kind of conversations, but man,
having conversations with people.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Okay, there's still the same team. It's still the same
thing with.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Not quite You're not going to snitch on me. I'm
not going to snitchee you. As long as we keep
that agreement, we could.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, they're not out in themselves because they get in
trouble for you. I'm not out of them because I'll
lose a store. So you know, we all know, right,
information is a good thing everybody for players. Oh man,
somebody not grow with snitching? Uh yeah, multiple people, bro.
You can think about it this way. Steve coaches up
front off people sometimes Honestly, it's funny.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
And I don't mean they're rough youly, sorry, Like it's
funny because most people assume that most of what I
do comes from agents, and that.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Is my least connected area is the is the agent.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I still have some agents that I talked to, you know,
guys like Eric perk Cart stuff like that, but like
I dude, I am for me. It's almost backwards. And
that was how so many people when they first met
me were like opposed because they're like, how is this
guy doing it? I know these agents, they don't know him,
so how's this guy doing it? And it was just direct,
you know.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
And what happens is that someone sees something, some interaction
going well, some interactions that didn't go well. It's like
it's it's hard for certain people to hold on to
that information and for them to process it, they have
to tell someone who they trust. I gotta get this
negative energy off of me so I can walk around
(09:33):
and I can do what I need to do. So
they may call someone and they may say, hey, listen
you you didn't hear this from.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Me, but listen what I'm saying. But once again, you
sound a little too close to it. So you get
to know.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Players, and you get to know coaches, and like I said,
sometimes individuals they need to get energy off of them
because they're like, well, if I don't say something about it,
I mean I may say something to the wrong person
and that's gonna really make it difficult for everyone else.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
So I'm gonna call this one.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Person and I'm gonna go in and give this information
of everything one person. Yes, do you have anyone in
your family that you can do that? Because I mean
I got one person in my family.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I'm the one the information. Do you have someone in
the in your family that like it's that go to
person beside my wife? Okay, but see besides your wife,
I mean for you as your wife.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I mean like coming up, you didn't have somebody like
you had a is you know, there's family issues and
you didn't know who to go to to kind of No,
don't care.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I'm just saying that.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
That's that's I've been that way as long as I
can remember something, and not just not just with information,
like you need something done, I got a guy or
I know the guy.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Yeah, for sure, but I just never I would I was,
I would you being in the locker room, you know,
stuff's going on. And then now the media, No, how
do they know about this? There was only players.
Speaker 10 (11:06):
There because somebody okay, think about it, and a lot
of a lot of situations just breaking news, right, and
it's just like, well, how.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Did this person continue to get that information about this
single team from someone? I mean, and so many people
who have elevated their careers being able to do it,
like Adam Schefter one of those guys, Brian Windhort's one
of those guys.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
How do you think they got there? The same thing.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Rapples with the Patriots, you know, with the Boston Globe.
Schefter was here, Yeah, the Broncos. That's that's how you
do it.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
You just you know, and you.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
As those coaches and players go other places, you keep
in touch and you know, and that and then you
really start to flesh out your network a little bit.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Here's the other thing too, Sometimes teams have put information.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Out just to see who's who's.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
That.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I mean, if you're a player and you want, like
let's say, let's say you're a player here in Denver, right,
you're about to hit free agency, and you want, you know,
you want to make sure you maximize your market.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Well you want immediate guy tweet about.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
All these offers, you got, all this stuff you got
coming in, so you're sitting you know that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I want to and I've ever done that. I'm not
not saying it sounds like.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Like you know, there's there's there's a there's a given,
a take to it with all of it, and I
liked I prefer just to do it direct with players
and teams and you know, with the agents, because I
know the agents got an agenda. When you're coming at
it and you know the player, it's a little bit different. Yeah,
they got agenda, but it's self preservation.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
You know. Think about it this way.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
If you know that you're on a team and a
player is his contract is coming up, right, you want.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
To find ways to retain that player. How do you
do that about. That's a hometown discount to stand.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Yeah, you know, he missed a couple of tackles to
the season. He wasn't really himself. He looked like he
kind of, you know, slid down from what he was
the previous year. The same thing happens with the draft, right.
You get agents who have connections with you know, uh,
individuals who put all the draft information out, the draft
analysts so called. Well you know what, you owe me
(13:18):
a favor. Hey talk my player up. You talked this
player down, my player goes up.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
You know, if things happened on this about one of
our safeties.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
About some stuff about maybe you going because.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Of salary, something like whoa. How do you think that
got out there? Do you think something you think some
blogger cook that up and people paid attention, or you
think somebody let me find out?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Do you think there's stuff teams have been playing this game.
Here's teams used to leak to these media guys, to
the media guys.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
And I say these media guys, man, I guess I'm
a meaty guy. But like the teams used to do
this all the time stud they played the game. Ben
is one of these guys. I'm not as you got
to pat him down. Let me get my the mic.
Speaker 9 (14:08):
Turned inside the blazer jacket somebody around town.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yes, exactly, Yeah, I gotta say you that's I guess
that's what you gotta be. You know, hey, you gotta
have a relationship.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I'm just saying like I'm you know, I provide a service,
Anny which way.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
You slice it?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
So he's like, you know, like uh Liam Neeson and
take it. I have a particular set of skills exactly.
Nobody knows, Mike. I'm more like Peter Dinklic in Game
of Thrones. Okay, I do two things.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I drink and I know things. That's good.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
That's a bad.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Combination because if you got a guy who knows things
and he drinks, all you gotta do is keep giving
him drinks and he gotta tell you know, you.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Know, how to keep that ull shut. Actually, more like
little Finger because I'm trying to manipulate stuff. Wait wait, wait, you.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Youre just talking about the bolls. I mean, are you
like elaying from Seinfeld? You use some peppermint snaps and
you know.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Thumbs up dancing man.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Let me say it like, you know you can be
able to hold your boost like you know you I
would have made it this far if I was sitting
there to shoot my mouth off.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I can. I'll tell you this.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
There's a lot of stories that I know from my
career of stories that were.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Told after Friday nights, but they were.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Told Saturday morning before practice and their teammates who.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Are somewhat concerned.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
If I ever wrote a book these days now, all
might end up in the book. I mean, I could
change the name just to protect the innocent guilty.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I'm just saying, just think of Steve. Steve.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Not not to out anyone, because this is not what
we're doing, but just think about when you played right
on those back to back teams.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
You knew who those guys were. If everyone had those
guys on their team, some are guys who were out
they weren't supposed to do, guys who got the stories
about Let me, let me put this a different way.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
You remember when Chris Carter said her, but he needs a
fall guy.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Remember that you don't need a fall guy anymore.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
You need to spin guy. You need a guy who
can if something happened, because in the age of cell phones,
ain't gonna be a fall guy. You've getting caught in
three you know in four K you need to spin. Guy,
you need somebody to go Well, actually, what you know?
That's what you need you know?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
So that means that if a story, if you catch
win of a story, Steve, I need you to sit
on that story for a minute. All right, Well how
long should I sit on the story? I'll let you know. Okay, Well,
what are you gonna do for me for sitting on
this story? I'll tell you I did that. I did
that on a player getting suspended. Here see this is
the media world.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Said, you know, man, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 11 (16:40):
He asked me, it's Darks and Steve is Darks. He
was a yeah, I'm not an Yeah, I have not
done anyone.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, it sounds like to me, you know what I mean,
that's what.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
You have never heard me an incident and missing and
tied it to any player.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
So how can you say that an insider? You're a
former player. It happens to know how a lot of
things lead from the romant.
Speaker 12 (17:19):
But but you're describing my job. Yeah, but I've never
snitched on anyone. Now I couldn't name the names, but
that's not what we do.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
But the name I can't get the show back on
the rails. Just cut your DIY back at this.
Speaker 10 (17:41):
Grand you're playing the audio. Whoa England, mighty happy to
play that prisch Wow, Granted you're trying to throw that
in my fish take.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Man, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I yeah, brand that's that's
one was saying, Oh, grant by six.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Somebody asked, like, I got some weird questions on the
text line here after that segment we got.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
We'll get to some of those. But so the seven
to two as if that's how I do dating?
Speaker 4 (18:13):
What what?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
What?
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Like?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
That's how you've been if that's how I do dating?
And I don't know what that means, like in relation
to what what are you talking about? Like gather an
intel and trading it? Like I don't know, Okay, I
don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I don't know how to answer that one. I know,
put that put that put that one in content different
seven two O sks. If I really think that Pete
Carroll will take the Raiders job, I do. I think
he's a leader in the clubhouse.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Man.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I think they're going to give interviews to Robert Salah
and I think Shpagnolo.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
But I think Pete Carroll is a leader in the
clubhouse there.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
You know, once again, we talked about this last week
and you said that, and for me, as as a
football fan, period scares me.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I would I want to see that?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Really? Yes, because once again, think about what I'm saying.
I mean, the FC by itself is a more competitive conference.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
In my opinion than in a Murders role. Right.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
So the idea is coach. When we think about what
football is, it's entertainment. And think about the coaches that
would be in the a f C West. That's straight entertainment,
entertainment and like great coaches, great.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Coaches, And at least we know the chewing gum companies
are not going to go out a business anytime.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Chomping man. Just think about it, man. It would make this.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Division more competitive than it is, and it will make
it the most talked about division with historic coaching.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Just think about the historical coaching that you now have
in this division. We're not talking about.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
People will tell when all the teams are strong, and
then we'll we'll get we'll get the notoriety and they'll
start talking more.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Okay, well to me exactly.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
And then we got Steve Kle and the Raiders over there,
that's why, you know, But think about all of these
coaches would have made an appearance in the Super Bowl
or won a super Bowl. So it makes the team
that comes out of the division that much tougher. And
(20:35):
it's going to force teams to be more diligent when
it comes to their player evaluations.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah, I mean, you got a division that stacked is insane.
I mean, Carroll will make the Raiders better. It will
make the at least competitive. They might not be good,
but they'll be competitive.
Speaker 8 (20:48):
Who hasn't won the Super Bowl, hasn't won a Super Bowl,
but won a national Pendo super Bowl and won a
national championship at collegiate level. Pete Carroll's won both h
and he's been to what two Super Bowls and to
two Super Bowls and one national championships.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Jeohn Payton won a Super Bowl and Andy Reid is
wanting to know how many players ones?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, so I'm just saying they think of the hardware.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Ye the Raiders were to get, uh, I guess they're
their future quarterback?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Oh man, you got runs Roman.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
See I think you bring Pete Carroll in and you
got you understand that you're a four year build, right
and you're gonna be a run team. You gonna try
to find you a quarterback for a bridge guy for
a year, and then you're looking for you dude next
year with that's arch Manning or something like that. You're
looking at it and then all of a sudden, look
at this division you have. Then you have what mahomes,
Herbert Bodis and arch mann not in this division.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
You know that kind of thing. I man, I want
it because I want it for that, But I'm like
the Broncos on the other side of that. I like
to be in the playoffs and I like to have
those two guinea games with the Raiders. We're not gonna
have those. Listen.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
The idea is that you want to face the best
competition with you there is, so so when you beat them,
you can actually pound your chest and say, well we
did that, instead of having like an easy pad.
Speaker 9 (22:06):
That's why sometimes sometimes yes, you're like, look we could
just mail it in half a season.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
That's crazy too. And they they've been good ever since.
The new coach guy, Yeah you.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Got you got the Jags, the Titans, those guys are
always gonna be battling it out for a top five pick.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Well, well they're not. The Colts are at least middling.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Well, the Colts think that they're going to be better
defensively Louanna Roomo, Now, yeah, exactly instead of Gus Bradley.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
So that gives the Colts an opportunity to somewhat turn
the corner.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
But if you were to look at the conferences and
compare them top to bottom, the AFC is the most challenging.
It's the it's the conference that's going to i mean
beat you up from a team standpoint physically, and it's
going to straight you from the level of creativity from
a coaching standpoint.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
And that was one of the things I was talking
about when I was laying out the case. On Twitter
is talking about the Ben Johnson thing because people are
talking about him to the Raiders. I'm like, he's going
to the Bears. But we'll play this out for you. Uh,
you don't go to the Raiders because look at the
division you're jumping into. You've got a massive rebuild, and
look at the teams you're up against, Like there's no
there's no margin for error. There you go, you know,
as a coach, you don't have the kind of time
and oh, by the way, you're up against it. And
they're all like, well, but look at the NFC North.
(23:24):
I'm like, well, actually, the nc North is about to
lose both the Detroit S go lose both their coordinators
and go to take a step back. Then you got Minnesota,
who's gonna be breaking in a rookie who I mean
Jane mccars got drafted last round, but he means first
time starter, right, So Minnesota probably take a little step back.
And now you got you go Green Bay was okay
this year, but they weren't great. And you got Chicago,
k you know, you put an offensive line in front.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Of me, you might have something.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
So like, the NFC North looked as tough this year,
but I don't think going forward is as tough as
somebody that's that's.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
A tough thing about football. And when you start doing
well next year, you gotta have.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Yeah. Yeah, But Mike's Jennahan famously said this, when it
comes to your your coaches, you have to make sure
you coach your coaches and you have to know that
if you're doing well as a team, you're going to
lose coaches.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, that's part of it.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
So you have to have that secondary coach, right, who
is just coaching secondary?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
You lose your defensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Have you coached him up enough so now he can
now move to your defensive coordinator position. That is something
that is translated well in San Francisco other than this year,
but that.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Is something that you definitely need to do. I agree,
and I'll tell you this, Ben Johnson.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Made a great decision even though he's still in the
same division with the Detroit Lions, based on everything you said.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Think about it.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
You get a young quarterback who's on a rookie deal,
so you have money to spend. You're good at wide
receiver with Dj Moore, Keenan Allen and Roma duon Say
you just drafted yes, Roma Duonsa, and you have swift
as your money.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Bag, right, and you got you gotta fix the offensive line,
but you got the skill position right.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
He did do that in this offseason.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
But he's looking at what he's leaving in Detroit, what
he's gaming in Chicago, and he's got a more athletic
quarterback than Jared Goff is fix your offensive line and
guess what. Now the Bears are in the conversation because
we know Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
He's going to be creative. We've seen it.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Yeah, created, but it's just he's just it than done
man to turn that roster around the quickly.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
But he's got the offensive pieces though, he got some.
He got the quarterbacks for Chicago and you have the Raiders,
and you gotta choose between them. Which one are you choosing?
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Chicago?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
You got a pre built defense, yes, right, you got
to You get the Raiders. You got what two three
players you got ross about half the defense though, I'm just.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Saying two you got.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
You got three guys you can build around on that team,
got Roight Hours on the offense. Second round you got
Mass Crosby defense, and then Nate Hobbs are really good
slot corners that they got over there. You don't have
a quarterback. They don't have they don't have much quarterback.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
This is that time they drafted the quarterback in the
first round. Raiders. Yeah, the last first round quarterback. Yeah,
that's what JaMarcus Russell.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Yes in a minute, and they were like, yeah, we're
not gonna make that mistake again. I mean, you can't
think that every quarterback is going to turn out like that.
Though you know, okay, that's all the team has to do, right,
they draft the guy at a certain position in the
first round. It doesn't work if he's a bitter tasting
him out, so they don't want to do it again.
(26:35):
Just like think about the teams who have drafted running
backs in the first round to John the carter with
the Cincinnati Bengals, right, things that work out all of
a sudden, they think, okay, well, we can't take a
running back in the.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
First round JaMarcus Russell because they took Derek Carr in
the second round. But JaMarcus Russell was the last quarterback
they took in the first round two thousand and seven.
Speaker 13 (26:52):
That's a long time, qby you had Derek Carr there,
you got at the beginning of the second round. And
they worked out to walk a little bit because would
you take a quarterback?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
And like most people, most teams take quarterback in the
first round. You're taking the play round. You take a
chance you got the first round. You're building around it.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Right, So for for the Raiders, it was just like, well, well,
don't have nothing to do. We don't have anything to
lose if we take him in the second round. Now,
you don't have that pressure, and that quarterback is not
playing with that pressure as though you were to play
with if he was drafted in the first round.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
But it's crazy how the Jets with Zach Wilson they
m they did. They were not patient enough. And I
think with Greg neat passing that we get the Marcus
(27:44):
Marcus lean man. That's a costume, dude. He ended up
blowing up by the time he was done. He was
at four hundred pounds for a minute.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Time he's down down, he's down to three twenty now
like now, now, wait a minute, he was four hundred up.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
To four hundred pounds in the last five years. Okay,
I thought he was just staying right now.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
He was like that.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
But yeah, yeah, he got a big boy because there
was a minute there where he.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Was trying to come back and he was gonna be
willing to come back as an offensive tackle.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
No way, Yes, I serious, one athletic tackle for sure.
Was he tough like that? I don't know. He didn't
didn't pan out, nobody tried he was.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
He was.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
There's a whole bunch of quarterbacks, but hey, hey, look
six six three forty at the time or whatever.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
It was. I mean, you give it a shot, haven't
come in for a tryout? What's a harm?
Speaker 4 (28:34):
No? No?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
The only only quarterback that I played with that cold
that was uh testa Birdie. Yeah, that dude was big
as thrown as an ox boy.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
What about Uh, well, you didn't play with Jared Lorensen,
but you remember the Pillsbury throw boy?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
No, you remember the kid out Kentucky, Kentucky, big old,
big old boy.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Remember Jared lorens In the hefty lefty dude sing yeah,
dude best. The best highlight ever is a preseason game
when he was with the Giants and hand off the
ruben drowns right and drowns, ends up cutting it back
this dude and he's I swear he was like three
forty like he's running. You would not fake butter being
running that. I'm gonna show you this highlight light. I'm
(29:14):
gonna show you this highlight. Dude, dude, I'm gonna show
you the highlight.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
No I'm not kidding.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
No, No, he outruns, drowns to throw a block, pave
the way.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I'm gonna show you this Kentucky. No, I don't remember.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
He played against when they called him the Hefty lefty
if he played against say anything, Well, I was thinking
that was like, I don't watch, I don't watch, got
to watch him.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I don't know. Serious, man, all the nicknames I called it. Yeah,
the hefty lefty throw boy. Yeah he was.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I mean he passed away a couple of years ago
because he's you know, he's a huge.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I try to remember exactly he's on the field.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Right, Well he was. I said, you guys, is overlapped.
I don't think you ever got a chance. No, I
know he got a chance to play against him per se.
But if he's on the field, you could have got him,
got him now. Yeah, I trusted my technique. I trusted
my technique. Oh I've been I'd been.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Like, I'm not hitting him in his chest.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
No, I'm I'm I'm gonna When he came out of Kentucky,
he was six three, two eighty eight and then he
got up over three hundred.
Speaker 14 (30:28):
Nick said he's gonna go to him, drop on him,
lay dropping your own.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
No, man, I gotta I gotta find some of these
some of these highlights do because you would not like
you look at this guy, he's huge, and you were
he could move like he could move.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I've never seen him but a big quarterback.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
My whole thing was, had he dropped a couple of pounds,
I mean he nice, Yes, he could have been nice.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yes, yeah, just highlight for you right now so you
can see him absolutely absurd where he hands the bowl
off to uh the drownds and drowns runs and then
he cuts it back across the field like back way
all of a sudden, this do you shoot gigantic gigantic
quarterback pass Ruben drowns to throw a block.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Because when you when you see him right, you may say, well,
if you've never seen him play, he was like, is
this dude a.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Lineman or to play a corner? Look like an offensive?
Speaker 4 (31:26):
You see him lining up behind the center, you think like,
is this a gadget player or not?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
With number two one?
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Yes, team team, yes, yes, because you think when you
see him line up, you think you thought it was
like kind of a gimmick play, but it's like, no,
dude can actually play.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
That's crazy. Yes, look it up, man, there's a baller man.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Yes, this is why you the whole saying never judge
a book by his cover. Yes, it was true with
that dude, I can't believe. Now I get to show
you hefty lefty highlight. Dude, I'm I'm still for the break.
He faded the league a coup of coffee that preseason.
This I'm about to say about it, but goes again
that was who would have line the molay, But it's
not starting the quarterback six three three forty.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Hey, if you design quarterback run, let's come on him,
come around the corner. Remember that play I was talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
I understand it.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
What that he threw for ten thousand, three hundred yards
in college, seventy eight touchdowns, forty one picks, ten thousand.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Three hundred fixus. You let the sec in passing at
two thousand. That's crazy, bro, you.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Had thirty six hundred yards that year. It's a freshman
full house backfire were coming down.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Here, boy, he's four house alright. Yeah, maybe he.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Said it went to like Army and navs who like
you average forty three yards of punt too, because they put.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Him in nerves of Potter and you're mastering a two
hund eighty pound Potter. Bro, that's too much athout letty.
That's athletic for to beat that size. When you look
at him, you're like, who can run?
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I'm gonna show you picture and you're be like Madnes
student and then I'm gonna show you a highlight and
you're not gonna believe that this dude was running this fast.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
As you know who was like that? Were I played with.
He didn't play quarterback though, Keith Traylor. Yeah, yeah, truck
and trailer. When he came out of college, he was
a linebacker.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Yeah, how do you how did you get that big?
He was big when he got out of but he
was but six two sixty three about two seventy. Yeah,
coming out of college. That's like Leavon Kirklin and geez
and could three sixty dump.
Speaker 15 (33:33):
Yeah, I'm talking about this like that Julius Peppers. You know,
size had some crazy hops. Dude was an athlete and yeah,
he just kept big and bigger. But he he'll remove
nickas old. Steve is always a blasting you his highlight.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Go see this all right, man? We gottahit a break
Funkle's country that rolls on of to this so
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