01-22-25 Hour 2 of Broncos Country Tonight with Ryan Michael

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Good buddy Ryan, Michael, Ryan, how.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
You doing this evening?

Speaker 4 (00:24):
Doing well?

Speaker 5 (00:25):
So?

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Were you doing pretty well? Bronco's obviously not gonna be
playing this Sunday, but.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
You told me a few days ago to some interesting.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Data on their past success in this round of the playoffs. Well,
can you tell us about the Broncos history in the
AFC Championship game?

Speaker 4 (00:40):
Well, from a strictly Broncos perspective, it's the best round
of the postseason that we've had. We've appeared in ten
AFC Championship games and we've gone eight and two in.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Those ten games.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
So one wain under Craig Morton, two wins under Peyton Manning,
five wins under John Elway, which was the record before
Tom Brady from Elway, so it's a rich history. We
beat the Raiders in the seventy seven AFC Championships twenty
to seventeen. We beat the Browns three times in four years.
The first one was the Drive nineteen eighty six, and

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then again in eighty eight, nineteen ninety, beat the Steelers
in ninety seven, the Jets of ninety eight, and then
Marnning in the Broncos beat them two times in three
years between twenty thirteen and twenty fifty.

Speaker 5 (01:26):
Ryan, when you think about the Broncos appearances, not just
in the Super Bowl, but just in the AFC championship games,
is there one game or one play that kind of
sticks out and comes to mind as far as being
one of the more impressive games or plays?

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Nothing good good question? Nick I would say the most
impressive conference championship victory would be the eighty nine AFC
Championship game, so not as well remembered as the eighty
six which had the Drive, a bit more dramatic there,
but in eighty nine it was twenty four to twenty
one Denvers here three quarters. It was a competitive game
and we just blew the doors off the hinges in

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the fourth quarter. We ended up winning thirty seven twenty one.
The defense picked off Bernie Kosar three times. LA was
twenty of thirty six with three hundred and eighty five yards,
and I'd have to double check, but I'm pretty sure
this three hundred and eighty five yards was at the
time the most in AFC Championship history. Three touchdowns, no pick,
a rating of one twenty point seven. That was our

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most dominant NFC Championship performance unexpected. This might not be
a popular pick, but I would go with the twenty
fifteen AFC Championship game. The Patriots were three point favorites.
But some context to that game is you had Peyton
Manning coming off the bench light against San Diego in

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the regular season finale to help lock down that number
one seed. But Manning was a shell of himself, and
you could make the argument that just from a physical perspective,
there's maybe never been a quarterback as limited as that
twenty fifteen Peyton Manning upstairs obviously the best the games
ever seen, but he stepped into that game through two touchdowns,

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no picks, and really put Denver up to an early
lead seven to nothing, then fourteen to six, and the
rest was history. The defense did what it did, four
sacks on Tom Brady, three interceptions if you include the
pick on the two point conversion to end up winning
the game. In greatest case, there was a game losing
interception not too different from what happened to Russell Wilson

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the previous year in Super Bowl. That would be my
pick for the most unexpected win and personally my favorite.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Talking with Ryan Michael at the Ryan Michael on the
Twitter Machine, Patty Malmes going to be playing in his
seventh consecutive AFC Championship Ship game. If he wins, are
you going to continue using the wet blanket that I
have loaned you? Or are you finally going to give
him the respect that he deserves?

Speaker 4 (04:00):
This question, you know I would define it, and I
was actually just talking on X about this before I
came and came on the air. What some people interpret
to me hating on Mahomes or knocking Mahomes first and
foremost one of my favorite quarterbacks of all time. He's
pretty difficult not to light even for a division rival.
I think people underrate just how dominant he was then

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from when he first stepped into the starting position in
twenty eighteen through his Super Bowl victory over the Eagles
in twenty twenty two, becoming the first quarterback to win
League MVP and Super Bowl MVP honors in the same
season since Kurt Warner in nineteen ninety nine. And I
put up a stat about forty five minutes ago on Twitter.
From when he took over the starting position through twenty

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twenty two, he ranked number one in the NFL and
adjusted night yards per attent number one, and adjusted yards
per attent number one in touchdown pass percentage. He was,
for all intents and purposes, the most dominant quarterback in
the NFL during an era where the quarterback was a
little bit better than it.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Is right now.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
As much as I love Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen,
we're talking about a period where Drew Brees was playing
elite MVP caliber football, Aaron Rodgers produced two back to
back MVP seasons, Tom Brady was lighting it up in Tampa.
And during that period, Mahomes was far and away arguably
the best quarterback in football. And you move it over
to twenty twenty three, has adjusted night yards per attempt

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per attempt goes from being number one over a half
decade stretch to fifteenth, from best in the NFL to
league average, and he's dropped further this year down to nineteenth.
We're looking at just yards per attempt. That first half
decade window, he was third in the NFL average eight
point one yards per attempt. That dropped to nineteenth last year,

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and it dropped this year all the way to twenty
seven the average six point eight yards per past, the
exact same number that Peyton Manning did in twenty fifteen.
So he is a future first ballot Hall of Famer.
There's nothing that he can do that will ever change
that status. But if we're going to pretend that he's
playing at a comparable level over the last two years

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to what he was doing for the first five, I
think that's disingenuous. I think it unintentionally underrates just how
good Pat Mahomes was during the prime of his career.

Speaker 5 (06:14):
All right, Ryan, With all that said, we are in
the midst of the final four, right, Yeah, four teams. Yeah,
the Bills on the road. We got watched in Commanders
and Jane Daniels on the road. How do you see
this weekend playing out? And who makes it to New Orleans? Thanks?

Speaker 4 (06:31):
You know, I have Kansas City over Buffalo. I think
that Kansas City is a better overall team to have
the home field advantage, the postseason experience. Mahomes certainly is
more than capable of playing at an elite level for
chunks of games here and there. There's no question about that.
I think Philadelphia over Washington is an easy call. And
another stat that I shared earlier tonight, Nick, is just

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I think you'll appreciate this that being a defensive player,
the defense never gets enough love. Fifty eight Super Bowls,
and in forty eight of the fifty eight Super Bowls,
the super Bowl champion had not just a top ten,
but a top eight ranked scoring defense. Tom Brady, Joe Montana,
Terry Bradshaw, Troy Aikman won eighteen Super Bowl rings combined,

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and in all of those eighteen super Bowl victories, what
they all had in common was a scoring defense that
was top eight. Anytime their defenses fell out of the
top eight, the combination of those Hall of Fame quarterbacks
produced zero Super Bowl wins. So you look at the
defenses right now. Kansas City fourth overall this year, Buffalo eleventh,

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just missed the top ten, Philadelphia second, Washington is the
odd man out eighteenth and it's been an impressive, impressive season,
especially for Jaden Daniels sent the great stories of this year.
I'm looking at Kansas City and Philadelphia for the super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Well, that would go well for my wallet.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
I took a ticket out back, thank you giving for
for a super Bowl matchup in Kansas City and Philly.
But I'm kind of in a rare moment kind of
rooting against my wallet for a minute here.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
As I've got friends on the.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Bubble of the wallet, well, I get friends on those
other the other staffs, and so like I'm kind of,
you know, I'm like rooting for the buddies rather than
you know, there's a certain you know ticket that I
have in there.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
That you know.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
I mean, either way I got I guess you know what,
I could say, I'm gonna win either way. That's the
way I guess I could. I could look at it,
uh to be more positive about it, to be less
wet blankety.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
As as the kids say, what of.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
The Broncos got to do take the next step and
reach this round of the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
I mean, we got a taste.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
We got back to the playoffs for the first time
in a decade, and you know you'd figure that things
look up for next season is they're not really losing
a whole bunch or losing mostly middle of the roster
or backup type players and free agency.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
What are the Broncos got to do to take that
next step?

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Man?

Speaker 4 (08:54):
I don't know if you and Nick remember we had
this conversation roughly at the same time last year, and
you had asked me what I would need to see
to consider Sean Payton's time in Denver success and I
have mentioned in AFC Championship appearance, and both you and
Nick scoffed as loud as you possibly could. Now. Granted
this year we were two wins away from getting there.

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I think we're a lot closer than any of us expected.
So the challenge here is how do you follow up
on a season that it's seated expectations Because we're still
going to be dealing with salletly cat purgatory. It's not
going to be we're not playing with Jacksonville money, right,
and you want to draft. While that's imperative every year,
I think what we have to do is we really

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have to be prepared for regression and find a way
to grow as a football team. And I know that
it's cliche. It's so much easier said than done, but
we can't take for granted the fact that we just
produced a top three defensive season. I'd make the argument
that Broncos had the best defense in football this year.
Perhaps I'm being a little bit biased there. I certainly
think that while I won't say the sky is the

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limit for Bonnicks, there's certainly potential for him to continue
to develop in the system playbook opened up as the
season went on. But sophomore slump is a real thing.
It's not unusual to see a quarterback as c. J.
Scott might have been the extreme of the end of
the spectrum in terms of just how well he played
last year, but he went from playing at a top
five level to playing at a below league average level

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by a lot of efficiency metrics. So we also can't
assume the bot Nicks is just going to produce thirty
four touchdowns next year. It's not easy to do, but
we do have to be prepared for that adversity, and
I think that we have to carry ourselves as a
ball club that doesn't take winning for granted. Something that
you had said a week or two ago, is had
we come closer to Buffalo, perhaps some of the guys

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in the locker room would react that loss as if
we were this close to beating a potential Super Bowl
team and getting blown out the way that we did.
That's not the result that anybody wants, and hopefully it
motivates us that we can't take for granted being a
double digit winning team. I'm looking forward to it, I'm
rooting for it, but there's a lot of work that's
got to be put in between them.

Speaker 5 (10:59):
And now right on that, Well, Ryan, when I know
you dig into the numbers really deep and of the
thirty two teams out there, which quarterback that you may
look at it and said, well, statistically they're in one
of the worst playing situations in the league.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Is there a guy, Oh, easily Trevor Lawrence. I don't
even have to.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Think about that.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
You know, it was my view that Trevor Lawrence was
the best and it's arguable, right with Peyton Manning and
John la Andrew, look, they were all right up there.
He was arguably the best quarterback prospect that I've seen
in my lifetime from age nineteen and up and Jacksonville,
as much as they do have some elite players at

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skill positions and on defense, the Jaguars remind me a
little bit of the Indianapolis cults during the first chapter
of Peyton Manning's career, where the defense just wasn't there.
Coaching has certainly been an issue, and you would look
at a situation with a lot of cap space. You
look at a situation and where we have, in my opinion,
a franchise quarterback and elite quarterback, even with as bad

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as the raw box numbers where this year Trevor Lawrence
from an analytics standpoint total TVR EPA per play, he
was a bottom of the top ten quarterback this year
under one of the worst circumstances. So yeah, I think
you take Trevor Lawrence out of a place like Jacksonville,
you put him in an elite situation, to put them
into a Tampa Bay, you would see a all pro

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quarterback potentially, but you're never going to see that out
of him playing in a situation where he's surrounded by
a lot of trouble and then he's not one hundred
percent healthy. So I think that to me when I
look at all thirty two ball clubs is the greatest
distance between the control of a quarterback and the actual
real life success because I'd argue eighteen wins between twenty
twenty two and twenty twenty three on that franchise under

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those circumstances one of the biggest overachievements I've seen at
the position this second Tyler.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Ryan Michael let the Ryan Michael on Twitter. The Jaguars
fired Trev Valky today. Do you think that that's suddenly
makes the Jags job a lot more attractive?

Speaker 4 (13:04):
I do? I do, And you know, overall, I don't
think Balky's time there was very successful. I think there
were windows where because he was he basically started off
very rough and ended rough, we kind of forget some
of the good moves that he made in the middle.
I think it's important to acknowledge that the problem is
is the dysfunction in the organization. You make that move now,
you could have made that move a month ago. And

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if I'm a head coaching candidate, I'm looking at the
situation as it attractive as it is to have that
PAP space and to have that quarterback. We're looking at
the losing this franchise since at leave twenty eleven by
some distance. That scares me in seeing some of the blows,
particularly the last one that Trevor Lawrence took. I am
not convinced that he is ever going to be one

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hundred percent again. It reminds me a lot of Andrew
Luck's situation, where it's not a singular injury that ends
a career, but it's a collection of some injuries that
are a little bit more than nothing that just it's
wear and tear on the body. And if you're expecting
somebody who's going through what he's going through during almost
half a decade now of playing in a test situation
to be your quarterback for fifteen years, I wouldn't assume

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that that's going to be the case.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
We saw to the arguably the best quarterbacks play last
week and Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, and even after
that game on social media, you still have individuals attacking
Lamar and saying, well, he hasn't really reached that point
where we can kind of qualify him as being one
of the top quarterbacks in the league.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
I mean, what do you say to those.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
Individuals out there, you know, throwing shade like that towards.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
Lamar respectfully, I think that criticism is rooted in nonsense.
Lamar Jackson is a three time first team All Pro selection.
Tom Brady earned three first team All Pro selections in
twenty one years at the position, and this year. I
put the start up just yesterday morning. If you include
Tasser rating regular seas in postseason combined Matt Ryan as

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the NFL's all time record, most people are not aware
of that at one hundred and nineteen twenty ninety five.
Lamar ended this year at one hundred and nineteen eight.
The difference there is if he completed one more pass
for one yard. We're talking about the highest rated season
in the history of the NFL, not the pass. The
rating is the best metric in the world, but it
is something that's worth noting to me. He's the best

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quarterback in the NFL this year, and Josh Allen may
go on to have a better postseason, Mahomes may go
on to have a better postseason, but in terms of
from Week one to finish, nobody's played the position at
a higher level than Lamar Jackson. And I think there's
a thirst out there Nick to make him the villain,
to make him the bad guy that the three shade
to throw a blame on his shoulders. You know, the

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fumble is a great example when you're taking a stamp
that is high and left and you adjust to that
and you end up trying to make something out of it,
and he didn't protect the ball well after that point
results in a fumble. People will point to that and
say Lamar Jackson is the reason they lost the football game.
He had a much higher so the QBR than Josh Allen.
He played a much better game and any averaged nearly

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eleven yards per pass. But we'll hone in on a
single play like that. You have no blame for the
bad snap because it has to be Lamar's fault.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Right.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
It's a team sport, and when you play at a
level that Lamark played against Buffalo, you should win nine
times out of Tad's ridiculous. That's sort of the blame
on issue. This is the best postseason he ever had
after having one of the greatest regular seasons of the decades.
So he's an elite quarterback. He's arguably, in my opinion
right now, the best quarterback in football. Series criticism is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, you're saying he's miscast is the villain and that
that is a shame kind of similar to what I
deal with on a daily basis. Right, that's as it is.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
Not the same.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
No, we appreciate the time as always, man, and look
forward to ten with you again next week.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
Sure you're guys, have a great night.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
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Speaker 2 (17:13):
I gotta gotta give.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Some love to Ryan michael Man multiple mentions of not
taking things for granted once again during this segment.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Just keep adding to the uh yeah, just adding to
the tally. I will say, uh, making that into a
drinking game is bad for my liver, but.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Uh yeah, but it's still worth it.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
It's still worth it. Turn it into an eating day.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Well that's what I'm trying to do here. See see
how that works out. So that works out, a little bit.
Uh five six six nine zero is the text line.

Speaker 6 (17:41):
Aaron Glenn getting the job in New York brings the
current total And Nick, you always talk about this of uh,
you know, finding ways for players uh to you know,
getting back into the coaching.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Because they played the game, right. You know, there's there's
a there's an element of that.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
The total now of head coaches that are former players
right now that are they're coaching for teams they played
for is up to five.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Now.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Glena Course played for the uh the New York Jazz.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
We all know Dimiko Ryan's played for the Houston Texans.
Hardball played for the Chargers.

Speaker 5 (18:14):
UH.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
So there's there's you know, there's connections on some of
those as we sit there and look at this thing.
I mean, I don't know that there's anybody right now
that's necessarily a former player in line for a job
with their uh prior franchise as I mean, I guess
if you believe the deon Sanders Rummers, but otherwise probably
not with the last three openings.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
H but how do you feel about that with five
five guys you know.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Not got five guys that are former players playing coaching
for teams I played for Did you add Mike Rabel
answer your equation?

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Did I have Rabel? And I don't know if I
mentioned his name, but I get right.

Speaker 5 (18:48):
Well, for me, I like I like it that a
lot of these former players are getting these opportunities and
the fact that they're getting these opportunities with teams that
they've played with in the past.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
For me, it's it's a great thing. And the reason
why I can say.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
That with so much uh certainty, is because there is
somewhat of a narrative when it comes to former players.
And I've heard it countless times too many to uh recount,
but this is an idea that Okay, well, you were

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blessed with a certain ability, right and and and god, we.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Don't figure what that ability is. For me, everyone has
their ability ability, right, everybody got one and.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Ability.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
I think we know what you're super huge talent is,
but yes, we know what that is. But as it
pertainon of players, there is some who have this belief
that former players never really worked for what they had,
They had a god given to they never really had
to work for. So when those guys want to get
into coaching, they don't always have those types of opportunities

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because there's somewhat of a belief that former players don't
want to work, which.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Is entirely not true.

Speaker 5 (20:13):
Now you may come across some players who don't because
they don't understand the hours and the dedication associated with coaching.
But you can tell by Harbaugh, Dan Campbell, Mike Rabel,
Damiko ryans Hell.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Todd bows down in Tampa.

Speaker 5 (20:31):
You know he comes from the Bill Parserra Street because
guess what this is the odd thing about it. Todd
Bowles was once Aaron Glenn's DP coach because it was
my deb coach, right And to see a lot of
these guys get these opportunities, I for one, I am
excited and I hope more guys and more teams on

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the pro level on a collegiate level allow guys to
get more opportunities.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
If it's personnel, but both in coaching as well.

Speaker 5 (21:02):
Well.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
We're seeing some of that at the collegiate level. You know,
we are seeing some of that guys like Michael Vick,
Eddie George who's been.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Really great down there.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
I mean it's not he's not coaching at a large school,
but Eddie George is doing really well. As a matter
of fact, he actually got an interview with the Bears
before they hired Ben Johnson. I think Eddie George might
be one of those guys that you see come out
of nowhere in the next couple of coaching cycles to
be in contention for ed coaching job in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Well, I really hope that it happens, because you.

Speaker 5 (21:30):
Know, my former teammate and god was a special team's
ace for us and the Timber Buccaneers, Keith Burns. He
is the Tennessee State special teams coach. And here's what
I worry about, Ben, because I'm glad you brought up
the fact of Eddie George being at Tennessee State and
Vicnam being at HBCU. For me, I hope those guys

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over time get those opportunities because what usually happens, and
I'm speaking on the past because there's so many things
that can happen down the pike in the future, but
a lot of those guys want to coach and they
don't get that opportunity in the league, so they go
to an HBCU, but they never get out of that
right race of coaching in the HBCU. Now, this is

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where I'm hoping what happened with Coach Prime would be
an excellent example of what the prospect could be for
a lot of these guys. Because look, man, I'm gonna
tell you, there are a lot of guys that I
talk to who are former players who want an opportunity
to be involved in the league in whatever manner, even

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if that's scouting right and the opportunities are not there,
But these are guys who have a wealth of knowledge
that they can give back to their teams and knowing
as though ag is now one of those guys who's
going back home in a sense to an organization with
the New York Jets. Oh, the last time I guess

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they were relevant, they went to a Super Bowl Joe Naman.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
It was the quarterback.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
So there's a lot of things that they have to
do in New York to I guess, change the outcome
of what things have been over the past couple of years.
But being a former player, being a teammate of Aaron Glenn,
I am so happy for him.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, I posted that on Twitter earlier.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
I just watching you and you know, Steve, guys who
used to you know, play with with Aaron gonna be
excited for him. It makes you a little excited for
for the Jets what it is they're going to get,
even if he does rate a little bit of the
Broncos coaching staff and goes, yeah, but how nice is
it On the other side of that, how nice is
it to be immediate? Sucks when you're when you're a
fan of a team to get your coaches posted. But

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at the same time, how nice is it to have
your coaches walk? Yeah, keeps want to coach.

Speaker 5 (23:47):
Now here's the other thing that's great about it that
the league is implemented over the past couple of years.
When your coaches, especially minority coaches, get poached from your
coaching staff, they go to another team and that position
is an upper position and it's not like a lot
of remove guess what.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
You get compensated draft picks. That's right.

Speaker 5 (24:06):
So this should encourage more organizations to bring those coaches
in who were former players, develop those those coaches and
wants the branches, if you will, just just just think
about Bill Walsh his tree, right, I mean, he has
he's he's laid so many coaching routes that just kind

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of spread throughout the NFL. And you know, my my
former head coach Mike Shenahan is a branch from that tree.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, that's what a what a tree it is. That's
one of the best coaching trees out there.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
That is the thing.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
I think that's a lot the reason that a lot
of people were looking at the Vance Joseph interviews that
he got and saying, get it. Well, if he gets
those jobs, I mean, we'll take the two third round
draft picks. You know, that's been a money round for
George Payton over the years, and you know, maybe the
Broncos won't be so uh uh well, there won't be,
you know, a disparate thing. After all, I still think

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having advanced back is better for this team than having
two third round draft picks.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
But that's neither here nor there.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
As we as we look at this, there's a few
jobs still out there remaining. The Jacksonville Jaguars, who fired
their general manager today because he was basically an impediment
to getting the head coaches that they wanted. Liam Cohne
goes back to Tampa. It's going to be the highest
paid offensive coordinator league. By the way, you still got
the Jacksonville job, which is not a bad job. I mean,

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there's bones there, you've got a quarterback at least, there's
there's some offensive pieces, there's some defensive pieces. It's not,
you know, it's a stacked roster, but it's an easy
division and there's some bones to work with on that thing.
And oh, by the way, now you're finally probably going
to be able to pick your.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
General manager to go along with it.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Right now, the leading candidates from what I understand, are
Robert Salah, Todd Mounkin, and Joe Brady.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Whether or not they.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Expand that after firing Bulky, I don't know whether that
remains to be seen. You've got the Raiders who missed
out on Ben Johnson.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
I think it's gonna be Pete Carroll there.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
They hired their general manager in John SPYTEC think it's
gonna be Pete Carroll there. They will interview Robert sala
and maybe a few more as well, and then Dallas.
And this search is bananas because I remember what was
in a couple of days ago last week. I guess
it was when everybody was sweating the Dion thing. They're
not even bringing him in for an interview. You tell

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everybody that you're gonna bring in Kellen Moore for an interview. Okay, well,
if the Eagles win, it's gonna be a while before
you're able to even do that. And then their third
option so far appears to be Brian Shottenheimer, who has
been around the league for twenty three years, never had
a head coaching opportunity. Quarterbacks have always gotten better everywhere
he's been, so there's something to be said for that.
But Brian Schottenheimer, when you're Dallas, who you already had

(26:50):
on staff, I mean, why wouldn't you have fired Mike
McCarthy from day one if that was your guy?

Speaker 5 (26:57):
Okay, well, let me see if I can make this
make sense, because there's a pecking order in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Obviously, McCarthy's already.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
On salary, and he's a guy who is dubbed as
being in charge of the offense.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Even though you may have.

Speaker 5 (27:14):
A quarterback coach, he's essentially the guy who's.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Pretty much in charge.

Speaker 5 (27:19):
And in the case of Shattenhammer, hey, look, man, you're
just trying to make sure your a coaching career continues
to flow.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
In the right direction.

Speaker 5 (27:25):
So if something opens up eventually, then you have that
opportunity like he had. As far as interviewing with the team,
but he wasn't in a position where he could actually
implement what he wanted to do. So this is why
you interview him to say, Okay, well here's where we
are as a team.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
You're Jerry Jones interviewing Sean Hammer.

Speaker 5 (27:43):
Okay, well, how would you be able to take Dak
Prescott and the talent that we have offensively to the
next level? Oh, by the way, you only have right
now in this particular moment, so many options for Dak Prescott.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
You really haven't established a run game.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
I mean, you got rid of Zeke in favor of
Tony Pollard, then you part ways with Tony Parlot to bring.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Zeke back, only to cut Zeke at the end of
the season.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
How do you make this team more relevant and competitive?
Not in the entire NFL baby steps first?

Speaker 3 (28:16):
How do you make them more competitive in the NFC East?

Speaker 5 (28:20):
That was probably the question, But you don't know unless
you said someone down for an interview and ask them
these questions.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Well, right, and I think that when I listed it
out on Twitter, what I thought would happen. I was like, well,
I think it's either Kellen Moore Brian Shott, and I'm
right here for Dallas, and I like, on the one hand,
I'm sort of surprised by Dallas circling that name.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
But I would say they're the front runners for that job.
I would Brian Schottenheimer.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Some people may think that's funny, he's a front runner
for that job.

Speaker 5 (28:51):
Why would it seem weird for I mean this, these
are my words, not yours, for the Dallas Cowboys to
interview Sean Hummer because he he's been in the room.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
He's with that the interview is not surprising to me.
The fact that he's a front runner is a surprise
to me. I mean, you're talk about a guy who's
been in the league twenty three years and I don't
think he's been interviewed but for a head coaching job,
but like twice in those twenty three years.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
But see, that's the problem with the process itself.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
And that could be Yeah, that's where I was going
with the question.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
That's the problem with the process and identifying guys who
maybe you would be.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Because how many times guys are cut off.

Speaker 5 (29:21):
At the knees because ideas that well, he's been in
this league for a long time and he's never received
an interview.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Like Fangio one of those guys, you know, those kinds
of things. Bruce Arians was a law, you know those guys.

Speaker 5 (29:32):
You can't force people to interview you even though you
know you are of quality. Right, So how did that change?
And that experience I think comes into play.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
In a lot of cases, a last name will open
doors for you.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
And I'm not saying that Kyle Shanahan doesn't deserve to
be where he is, but I would suggest that doors
got opened for.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Him that wouldn't get opened for other people that his
last day.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
If your name is Ben Shenahan, I.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Mean I know the other right now.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
No, in this particular case, do you think the last
name may have held him back because of his father's
lack of postseasonow and the way he's been viewed at
times as being a little conservative on offense.

Speaker 5 (30:19):
I'm gonna say yes for five hundred. And the reason
I'm gonna say yes for five hundred because the league
sometimes works in stereotypes.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Sometimes there's a lot of stereotypeing going on.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
Okay, okay, so so you pick it up on what
I'm putting.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Down, So that probably has a lot to do with it.

Speaker 5 (30:44):
People are looking at him, say he's been in the
league alone time, he's never interviewed for a head coaching job.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
And oh, by the way, he happens to be his
father's son.

Speaker 5 (30:53):
Right, what are we actually getting as far as that
is concerned, Like North Turner, North Turner.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Coast in the league alone time?

Speaker 5 (31:01):
If you see several opportunities after opportunities to be a
head coach in his league, after taking an OC job,
doing well with that team, and the next thing you know,
he's on a radar to the next cycle. Right, what
did we say this past season with the.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Raiders Scotty Turner getting yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:15):
And who did he bring in?

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Right?

Speaker 3 (31:17):
So there you go. That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
I think that there are guys that have can get
doors open to them, and I wonder though sometimes if
those names hold them back. I wonder if Bill Belichick's
son who had to go to college football, and you know,
kind of I wonder if the nepotism thing worked in
reverse in that particular scenario worked in reverse for.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Guys like Scott Turner, Brian Shott.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
I'm not I don't know if he did or didn't,
but I'm asking the question, you know, because because you
look at their fathers specifically those two fathers, and they're
viewed as conservative offensive coaches that struggled and you would
have success at least in getting in the playoffs or
you know, being a winning football team, but really didn't
you have much beyond that with their father.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
There's Norv and Marty.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Even though you.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
And I can't really say what level of certainty, Yes,
this happens, but I think the speculation is real based
on what we've seen and last year's higher recycle. The
idea of saying, okay, well we saw Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
They couldn't get a Smithy.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
I mean Belichick went back to Atlanta, I believe twice,
but they decided, you know.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
What, maybe you want to go to for a more
younger guy.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
Look, look Dave Canelis with the Panthers, like he was
a very young guy, but look at the coaching tree
he comes from.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Like Sean McVey got a job at thirty.

Speaker 7 (32:37):
Yeah, like unreal absurdly early, Yes, at thirty, And that
tells you that there is a little bit of bias
someone may you choose to use a different word to
describe it, but it is a real thing and it happens.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah, And I think we've all seen.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
We've all seen quite but you know, there's something else
that happens that we've all kind of seen a little
bit of.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
But could it be our lying eyes. We've got a
chance to talk about that.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
We come back Broncos Country tonight