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Speaker 3 (00:21):
Uh this This has a been an interesting news night
as Robert Sala appears to be headed to San Francisco
to take their defensive coordinator job. We've talked about that
extensively here on this show, but he was Trent Balkey's
preferred candidate. If Alky had not got fired, had gotten
his way, Robert Sala would be signing paperwork to be
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the head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars right now. Instead,
he's going back to be the defensive coordinator of San
Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I liked that idea, and I thought that was going
to be the kind of natural progression for Coasala after
things didn't go well with the New York Jets, because
it makes sense, and there is the reason that makes sense.
He understands the vision of owner, Jed York, Kyl Shanahan
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and John Lynch. And in his time there as DC,
he changed the face of that defense and he turned
it over to Damika Ryans and they still played at
a high level, high enough level that Jamika Ryans was
able to parlay that into a head coaching job with
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the Houston Texas. So for Robert to go back to
where he kind of started to kind of really build
himself as a coach, I think it works well for him.
And also from their mental standpoint, you're walking back into
environment that you are familiar with. Now, some of the
players would have changed since he was there, But at
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the same time, that defense is deep rooted in getting
pressure from yore running a lot of you know, like
when you think about Dick Leboea, Pittsburgh was learning a
lot of fire zones and what that means is that
you're playing zone coverage in the back end and you're
bringing pressure not just with your D line, but maybe
you may add in a linebacker or an extra corn on,
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an extra dB being a nickelback in the pressure.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
When you hear people talk about zone blitzing, that's a fact.
Nick lebo is the grandfather of zone blitzing, and that's
what it is. It's bringing pressure with your front four,
but it's also finding one of your other's oone normal
zone guys to come through and bring some heat.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
And when you think about the tree to which Robert
Sala comes from, and I was fortunate that during one
of my coaching internships with the Seattle Seahawks, I mean
you got to think, like Gus Bradley was there, and
Gus went to Jacksonville, and Salah went with Gus to Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
That's where that Jacksonville connection.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
But Dan Quinn, after Gus Bradley left Seattle, was in Seattle, right,
and there was a lot of things that Robert Sala
learned from him. So when you watch football was essentially
a watching some of the same type of defense just
being executed a little different based on the personnel. So
I like the idea for Soli and hopefully, you know,
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he goes back there they find to him a couple
of things. They got they got a huge salad cap issue,
huge salary cap issue, and they're gonna have to resolve that.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
But it's it's a great fit for everyone all around.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, And I mean, and you are when you' watching
Robert Solid conduct a defense. You're watching what he learned
from Pete Carroll Day and Quinn Gus Bradley, you know,
and all those guys, and and incorporating him making.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
It his own.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
The problem with the Jets this past year wasn't the
defense problems. They lost a couple of close games early
and the ownership lost confidence that pulled the plug before
giving him a chance to write the ship. You know,
I mean, think about that. You had missed back to
back miss field goals over there for the Broncos game.
You had, I mean, throughout those five games, the Jets
should have won four of them probably to be honest
with you, and they put they put the bucket the
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head coach and and and pont died instead of given
him a chance to turn it around.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
And we saw what happened. The team uploaded it after that.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
See for me, I feel a little friend about these
particular situations. No, I'm not an owner, would love to
be one. But the whole idea is that when you
start to lose games, then that pressure starts them out.
And I can tell you this when you play in
the New York market on either of the sports teams basketball,
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baseball and football, there is a lot of pressure. You
get it from the fan base and you get it
from the media a lot. That's why when I look
at this media here, oh, in comparison to what I
experienced in New York as played out here, Oh yeah,
I'm let me put my feet up.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, yes, it's milk and cookies. Here is that type
of thing.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
But once again, I'm glad that rober get this opportunity
because guess what, two three years from now, things go well,
he finds himself back in the cycle.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, Jets, we're two and three before stank corect.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I thought it was one of four, two and three before,
you're two and three the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
You make the field goals on your three two.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
You come back and you look at the logs, their line, Gregine,
great fans, their lines.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Uh what's his name's kid?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Okay, well I knew it was coaching their last kick,
the guy who got in trouble with the NFL for
the reply off feature.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
But listen, man, you are right. The kicker, the phill
little kicker makes those kicks. Things are a little different
for both the Broncos and the Jets, but that just
tells you how competitive these games are and coach's careers.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Just kind of hang in the balance based on a
play here and there they do.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
And that's the thing, Like just a couple of players
can change everything. I mean, you know, like I said
that Broncos kick, all of a sudden, you're three and two.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
You got a winning record. Now they were what were
they three and nine after they fired Roberts All correct?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Three and nine? Yeah, three and nine. So they start
off two and three and then they then the wheels
came off. They went three and nine. Like, you know,
maybe you give them a chance to turn it around,
maybe a few maybe it's just a few bad bounces
early in the season, and you're honest something. But as
soon as you pulled your defensive coordinator and made him
the head coach, off the one unit that was working,
and then you know, so now you've got somebody else
being a defensive coordinator. Then you demoted Nate Hackett and
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brought Todd Downing. So now you're trying to reconfigure your
offense mid mid stream, and well, do you know it
wasn't gonna work at that point.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
No, And then the part that gets me is like
Robert Saler wanted to part ways with the thing.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
You hack it? Well, how can you part ways when
the thing you hack it? When Hackett has.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Such a bond with Aaron Rodgers, and that's kind of
when the demise took place, and players on either side
of the ball, they draw a close connection to their
position coaches, but also their head coach. And in this
case with the Jets, their defense was kind of the
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lynch pin.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Everything started with their defense.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
So if you take that brain trust away defensively, it
changes the mindset in the locker rooms with some of
those guys. And I'm I'm sure we all cliches of habits,
and I know everyone talks it's a team. It's a
team concept. But when you see that the defenses on
one side of the ball is out playing the other,
and then they're not toiling the company line and during
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their part, it becomes really difficult.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
And then now it's a fracture in the locker room.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yeah, but if you remove the head guy, well who's
the guy to keep everything that keep the train on
the tracks. And that's kind of situation that happened with
the Jets. But Sally doesn't have to worry about that anymore.
He's going back to San Francisco, an area, a coach
in an organization he's quite familiar with, so we'll get
a chance to see if he's able to turn it around.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Yeah, it's funny because he was fired not after the
Broncos game.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Roberts Holla fired after the Minnesota lost lost. They lost
us Le's like week five.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, back then, nobody thought Minnesota was good and so
they were like, oh god, we lost to Minnesota, and
now you saw where they were and it was a game.
It wasn't like the defense was bad in that game
for Robert Sala. The final score was twenty three to seventeen.
A large portion that was because Aaron Rodgers threw three
interceptions that.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
If you had that up right now, tell me what
the time of possession is between the two teams.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Teams, I'd have to go the game back and look,
I'm not sure I have it in front of it
that I yes, Bizar, what was it? Minnesota won the
type of possession, but barely. It was thirty thirty seven
to twenty nine to twenty three, Okay. And the reason
that it was that way is because again, you you
had new York Jets had play a top of possession,
they turned it over. They had three interceptions from Maaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
M So it wasn't the defense. No, it was not
the defense. Try that ophasize.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
He had a combination of hold on here, sorry, I'm
trying to pull upback up, it looks like yeah. And
they also had a fumble but they didn't lose it.
But you had you had Sam Darnold in that game,
who played went fourteen to thirty one, passing sub fifty percent,
no touchdowns at a pick and he fifty quarterback raading your.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Running backs in that game.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Aaron Jones only averaged he only had seven carries, but
he averaged four point one to carry. His longest run
was nine ty Tandler fourteen carries started win average two
point one.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Uh CJ. What were the sacks in the game? Back
and look at him. Ron.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Not only did Aaron Rodgers have the three interceptions, that
game ends in the last minute of the game on
the Vikings twenty five yard line with Aaron Rodgers throwing
in intersection right and they lost by six.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Heay the opportunity to get their driving to know the
interception did to end it what were you saying, I'm sorry,
sacks they sacked suned all four times, They intercepted him
once and sacked in four times.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
How many times was Rogers sacked?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Rogers was sacked three times in that game, picked off
three times in that game.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
See, that's a.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Very interesting situation when I think about Aaron glam being
in New York and trying to figure out the situation.
There's a lot of things that they have to figure
out in New York, but I think that's kind of
a high priority situation trying to figure out what you're
going to do with the quarterback position. Did you talk
to Aaron Rodgers trying to see if there's some common
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ground can you jumpstart or repair that relationship?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
I wonder, Yeah, it was Look, Sandar also fumbled the ball.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
He was intercepted in fumbling. It wasn't the defense that
was doing it.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
And so that anyway, Bob Solid gets a bad rap
for some things that were happening there. But a lot
of the stuff that you hear out of New York
that was negative about Robert Salad was coming out from
somebody another interested and invested party who was actually playing
poorly and wanted to blame off of himself and it's
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Yeah, that's gonna be a situation. Why truly closely, I
don't think we don't.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Think you can keep him, man. I think you got to.
I think you gotta rip that out. You can't.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
You can't build new culture when you get the when
you've got the blight still there.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Okay, no, you can't do that then, But what's your
other course of action?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
We understand we're.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Gonna be bad at quarterback our first yearuntil we find
our guy. We'll get bridge guys until we convinced we
find a guy in the draft, and then we take
what it takes to.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Go getting Have you ever been to New York?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I have, and there's absolutely if you're aeron Glenn Woody
Johnson and a six year deal just to make sure
you get fired.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
What you're suggesting is like an empire state, but you
type of pill that the fan base.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You tell them up front, They tell them up front,
and then that does what we're built. We're stripping this
thing down and building it back the right way. New
York Fans, No, no, no, that's not how this works. Okay, cool,
continue to be the giants. You say what all them march.
It's all them on Arch and I mean maybe you know.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I mean, but the way you approach this to the
fan base, Look, it's gonna be riping, strip, build down.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
We're tearing this thing down and building it right.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
So if you don't like that the Giants are cross town,
go root for them. They keep trying to put the
face you try to put a finger on the damn.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
So we're gonna rip it down to the studs, pull
the walls out, We're gonna new carpet, We're gonna rewire everything,
new roof.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, there's a home makeover. We're gonna building a whole
new house, New York Jets home over there. You don't
like it, you can move into the Rickety complex next door.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Just been putting pain on the walls for years. The
New York Giants are right over there. You don't want
to be a Jets fan. Giants are right there.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah. I think they called that one of those Porter parties.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
Yeah, yes, I mean that's you know, that's that's a
Porter party. I'm just saying, yes, the Port Party. Yes,
you know it's the Yankees the Mets, right.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Don't get me started on that because I know you're
a Mets fan. I mean, did not just slatter you
with that.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I'm sorry, that's on me.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I misspoke. I meant to say, Yankee sits on me.
Come on, I'll do that. I'll put the shoe in
my mouth during the way. We'll just I'll just sit
there with it the whole break. I didn't mean to
do that to you. That's my bad.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
But you know what, man, it is going to be interesting.
This time of the year is always exciting. We got
coaches moving around. Obviously, we have the Final Four this
weekend that's going to set up the Super Bowl. Then
we get into free agency and the draft. This is
the one thing I love about the NFL. The story's
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never in And there's not an I not the professional
league that has this type of trauma that keep you
down there regardless of whether your team is in the
mix or not.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
But there's not another.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Professional sport that has almost like I mean, it's a
twenty four hour news cycle, but it's just like it's
a three sixty five news cycle.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
It never really dies.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
It's just I mean, the NFL is just like New
York City, the city or the spoiler nevers leaps.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
It never leaps talls.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Wait, it does, and it's certainly gonna be uh, it's
certainly gonna be interesting to sort of see you know
how that situation goes. But if it's me, you absolutely
got to pull the plug on Aaron Rogers. Now you
can't let that faster, Like what else you gonna because you,
I mean, he was running the show. You saw how
bad it was, like you gotta you gotta find a
way to cut that all.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Okay, okay, you cut that part out. Where are you
going to? You have to give me a stop gap?
Bring Sam Donald back one year, one year deal. I
said that today. I said it today.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Someone was like, nomson happened, Well, why would you bring
him back when he's already been there?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
And the fans like, okay, well if they hired the
offensive quarter, I think to go to hire that's Nick Kayley.
And we kind of thought out that if they hire him,
you bringing mat Chelse He's got he's been with him before,
he's just stopped up. He doesn't question you anything. It's
one year. If he hits mad Joan looks like a genius.
And if it doesn't, you look, we were just trying
this thing out till we could get to our.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Guy ors Matting in the next draft. Meg look, Mac Jones,
Mac jobs. Those are my.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Two choices, right, if all my choices, I would roll
with Sam Donald.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, because he's mobile.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Right, He's shown that he could win games. I know
things that work out well. And here here's the thing
a g would have prepared, which he showed that he
prepared well against Sam Dona when Donald was.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
With the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
So he knows him well, he knows what he can do,
what he can do, and how to help him. So
I mean, if you move over from Aaron, welcome back
Sam Donald.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I'm just like, like, you know, there's got to be you.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
You have to understand that whatever whoever is quarterbacking in
New York next year is probably a stop gap, right,
you don't have the draft capital be able to go.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
No, I mean, you know so and and he.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Do you even believe in those guys if you do,
if you don't whatever, I mean, the Giants believe that.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
You do, but I'm not sure the Jets do. Okay, well,
Sam would be.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
I mean, Donald would be enough to win you some
games and keep you in especially with the defense they
have in New York.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
They came in and.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Then you know, hey, like you said, I don't know,
I don't know if he's gonna do one year.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Deal, you'll give it two year deal. You do your
date with the club offs, right, yeah, I mean, you know,
you know how this is.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
So if if you can, I keep mind you probably
competition raiders probably probably being there on Sam Donald too
because they need something.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
But I'm just trying to say, like, what else are
you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Like you you know, I mean, you have to get
rid of Aaron Rodgers. You just have to admit this
isn't gonna be our year. We're rebuilt this thing and
set the expectation low so that way you clear it.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
As what as he gonna do?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Trade for the shell of Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Like I'm just trying to sign James No. No, Like
I'm trying, like your options aren't great.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
You know, there's a limited We'll figure out what the
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Speaker 2 (17:00):
I heard ready went almost.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
And and I don't have Grant's.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Range yet be either.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Does anyone that man can rock a mustache of beard?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Whatever, it doesn't matter, Zach, you sounded like Howley from
South Park. Kind of.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Everybody five six six nine zeros text live someone nine
times instincts.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Ben, You're brilliant. That's literally it. I'm kidding. There's more
of the text mess brilliant on air persona. Nick.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I love your perspective. I have a question about Arch Manning.
He's what three years out? Do you think Denver is
a possible landing spot with Uncle PFM?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Here hear me out My.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Thoughts are that his Peyton goes so it goes BO.
So how much longer Sean Payton under contract? And do
you see a scenario where that could happen.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Yeah, First of all, First of all, Arch is actually
eligible with the next draft, not this draft, but the
next one. Now, whether or not he comes out that early,
who knows. You know, these days, you make plenty of
It's not like he's hurting for money. He's in the
Manning family and oh, by the way, he makes plenty
of money with Nil.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Now it's it's not the same thing. So you know,
I don't know. If he comes out in twenty six,
could then you got twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Or day I think right now that would not be
on their radar. Now, if Bo were to have a
regression next year, I don't think he's gonna happen, which
Nick does not think is gonna happen. Nope, then maybe
you start to look into it, especially if it's like
a fall off the cliff regression.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
But I I don't, I.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Mean, I tend not to think it's gonna be I mean,
I think you'll have a slight regression. I don't think
it's gonna be huge. I think he's gonna be roughly
the same player he was this year statistically. When roughly
the same player statistically, when all said, oh wow, you know,
we'll see you.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Know, they get some dynamic playmakers in here. Maybe we're
talking a little different.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Man, What a way to you know, pop the enthusiasm
balloon like that.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I didn't say it would go backwards.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
I said, roughly the same man, geez, man, remind me
never to invite you to my kids party. You just
ruin the entire party. You know what's in that cake? Yeah,
you like the guy that comes in, you put your
hand in the whole cake. You know what's in that cake?
Red dye number forty.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
He's a red dye number forty. I don't even know
what that is. But Nick, well Nick always.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Knows, yes, yes, I know, yeah, don't don't eat.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
They just cut that off, just cut that part. I'm like,
I'm just sitting there like it. And he's like, you
know what they wrap that in.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
That that touches the illuminum.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
What are you doing? That's a car citogen?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
You know? Really quickly though, I a pet peeve of
mine that one of my kids did, and I still
can't understand it, you know. And one of my brothers
when I was growing up was the same way, like
there's certain food on his plate that couldn't touch. And
I'm like, well, it's going the same place. I'm with
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your brother, What is really Yeah, Zach, are you the
same type of person like your peas or your cold
can't touch your mashed potatoes or your rice.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
No, I mean it depends on the food.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
That's something should do, Something should make a differing temperature,
should not mix. I mean we're talking like two chocolate
or whatever you're saying, like, you know, like something should
not mess. Like look at Thanksgiving, the turkey and the
gravy is gonna go the same place as the ice cream.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Doesn't mean I want them on the plate together.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
I'll make my turkey and my gravy and my mashed potatoes.
It's a slot fest on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I'm I'm i trough. They just put it all the
trough and I never got that. I'm just like, it's
going the same place.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Whether you pick up the fork now, you pick up
the fourth two minutes from now, it's going in the
same plan.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I want to taste them individually, because otherwise, you know,
what you could do, like to save time and ferguson
Thanksgiving next year. You could just make smoothies out of it.
Just pour it all in there, making a movie out
of it.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
If it's all going to same place here, here's right.
I'm just saying, yes, you can do that, and it
might even taste better. You know, Turke Cramberry, there's some cranberry.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Sauce in yes, pulls back to us, let us know
how that goes.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
There's no way I'm doing that. Yes, I'm trying to
bulk up anyway.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I don't think the artist thing is probably that's that's
where as of now that would be a no. Now
it depends if both falls off a cliff.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Sean Payton, we're not gonna happen. I don't think he's
not gonna. I don't think so either. I'm just saying
I'm laying it all out.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Just tell him no, Yeah, there's no way on God's
green Earth is gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I already text me saying the Wall Street Journal agrees
with me. I have no idea what they agree with
you on, but I'm glad for you. Uh, somebody said
Aaron Russell Wilson, Rogers a little different man like Russ
didn't live up to expectations. Aaron Rodgers torpedo to a
franchise on purpose.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I mean, I still find that Baron Rodgers was trying
to squeeze Wilson out.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Geez. You know. Well the reason I don't think is
going to work because AG is about accountability, right, and
that just I mean Rogers And look, I have nothing
against Rogers. I think he's a hell of a quarterback.
He's gonna be He's gonna be in the Hall of
Fame at one.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Day one day.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
But I just it just right now, it doesn't seem
as though it fits with Hacker being out.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
It doesn't fit. Yeah, I just I don't. I don't
understand that. I don't. I don't. Yeah, anyway, we'll see
what else we got to have. Brian Shout out to
Brian for for listening. I'm here.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
We got to see someone that says, let me add on,
I'm a big bow fan. I wanted him to come here.
I meant more, do you think bo is tied to
Sean Payton kind of like Breeze was?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I think that that's the whole idea.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
That's why you know, I'll want to get to the
other but if Bo has success, then you'd stay here.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Obviously Sean would get at a contract extension at that.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Point of course, so they are married together and the
ideas that Sean this is the first time Sean is
attempting to do something as far as having a rookie
quarterback and actually develop him and then have a continuation
of what we saw this season as bold with the
hopes he would get better from year one so on
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and so forth. So those some guys are joining to him.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, I mean his first time Sean Payn's developed the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
People like to attribute to Tony Romo thing there, but Romo
never played for Sean Payton. Cheanpete was you know, was
there when they were trying to develop him, but that
he didn't he hadn't seen the field at that point
to develop. So you know, I guess you get partial
credit there. I'll give him some credit, but he didn't
play for him either, so it's you know, I don't
know anyway as far as the rest of that goes.
Uh did you see these comments Joe whit made, Yeah, man,
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their defensive quarter of Joe Witt.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Okay, so I don't know about you, but I immediately
got Greg Williams vies not saying that, he's not saying that,
he's said what Greg Williams said, Right.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
So you think you think he's trying to Tanya Harding,
Nancy Carrigan the Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Well, listen, man, we already know that every team around
the league gets injury reports. You know a guy I
had a knee injury, right, You saw it happen. You're
watching it, old Phil. You saw how he was. He
didn't really produce after that. It was just handed off
to Saquon. So the idea is that, hey, listen, if
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he runs the ball, he's now a runner. And we've
had all this talk all week long about how the
league isn't protecting other quarterbacks like they're protecting Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
So what Joe just basically said, this team go eat.
Speaker 7 (24:30):
Well.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I have the quote in front of me.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
So today Joe Witt warned, I guess Nick Sirianni about
his quarterbacks saying quote, So one thing is if he's
going to run the ball, and if the quarter then
it makes a decision for him to run the ball.
We're going to treat him like a running back and
we're going to hit him that way. And now on surface,
you know that's that's not.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
A big deal.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
I don't think anybody expect any least in the NFL.
I think it'd be the same way for Philly and
Jaydan Daniels, right.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
But it certainly it didn't face Nick to reality.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Nick Sirianni came back and just said, every team's going
to try to tackle Jaalen. We ultimately already are conscious
how we use him, how he using each play. But
there seemed to be certainly an emphasis on the fact
that Joe Wit came out.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
And said that.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I took it as a psychological play.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I felt like Joe one of those comments in the
public space so that Jayalen Hurts would see them and
be thinking about that before he took off.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Yeah, but here's the other part of that too. You
said this openly, so wow, you wanted him to get
to Well, yes, but your players are well aware of
these comments as well, So how how is it that
they process this information? Is he going now, I'm going
to go back in the meeting room, and just like
I was just saying, that just to kind of stir
the pot.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Don't don't listen to me.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
No, no, that's not how that works, to be aggressive.
But I think he's gonna emphasize don't get a flag.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
You know how many games if you watch, where coaches
probably told guys, hey, you know this is a physical game,
but don't do this, and they did it anyway many
when you trying to attack doll to attack man, Yes,
you can't tell him to Hugh.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I think it's funny in light of these comments, because
I saw some Buffalo Bills fans and tweeting out, you know,
we just need to let Kajack cut it loose against
Pat Mahomes and maybe and I'm like, oh man, oh
poor Kajack.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I try to run him out the league. Oh man.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
But yeah, this is interesting. It's certainly interesting. They frame
it that way. I when I look at it, I don't.
I didn't look at it as a Greg Williams way.
I looked at it more as a psychological ploy, like, hey,
I want that quarterback thinking about my guys's gonna be
hitting him all night before he takes off.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Because it's a big part of Jalen Hurst's game, you know,
it is. The Lefs is a big part of what
Jailen Hurst teache it is.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Let me stay correct for anyone out there, listen, I'm
not saying what Joe Whitt said is exactly what Greg
Williams right by. But it's just like, okay, well, what
are you really saying to your players? But here's the
other thing about it too, this game because now this
is the third team the time these teams would have
played themselves right right, and it's within the same division.
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They don't really liked one another. You just added fuel
to the fire. And oh, by the way, do you
know how rough as they get in Philadelphia?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
They get down? Yeah, in Philadelphia. So let's just.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Say that something happens, someone hits Jalen Hurts Late hit
him in his leg. He's out of the game. Right
the backup quarterback can he pick it? Who's dealing with
injuries on his own? He has to come in. Now,
you don't think that that sort of painted a bullseye
on Jayden Dames back to as well?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
It's almost like baseball, you get our a guy who
eat you with the ball.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah, I mean maybe it's one of those things where
I mean the last time these two teams have played twice.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
They split each each home team won.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
This year, I will say the Commanders were up on
the Eagles. They were up ten to six at the
end of the third quarter, and then the Eagles ran
off twenty points in the fourth quarter and the Commanders
only got eight. They finished that final twenty six eighteen,
And if I remember correctly, a lot of that was
safe one Barkley.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
But Jalen Hurts had ten design runs in that game.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
I mean he threw it twenty eight times, but he
had ten design runs in there too, one of which
was a touchdown. To me, that suggests that they're trying
to plant something with him because they wanted to try
to figure out a way to keep that run game contained.
As tough, you got a quarterback as mobiles hurts, you
got a back like Saquon Barkley, by the way, went
for a buck forty six in the first game of
that series.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
You know that's that's that's tough for me.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
This changes how the game is being played on both
sides because a challenge was basically issued by Joe witt
right to Nick Sirianni whether.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
The game hurts, got hurt and pick ahead to come
in the second one. Yes, because concussion.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah right, So now it priors yeah right. And now
you're putting it out verbally to the league.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
And once again, the conversation all week long, right across
the country on sports talk radio has been about Patrick
Mahomes getting somewhat of favorable calls. So now you put
this on the radar for their fishes. So if I'm
Nick Sirianni, guess what I'm doing before the game. I'm
talking to every single ref letting them know about these comments.
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We're getting the flags ready, We're getting the flags red.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Got an extra flag in the belt. Yes, the quick
release holder applies to Sirianni. Throws a flag in the day,
Sirianna has got a yellow flag. He launches it out there,
He reaches in there, throws it out there. Because for
coach with I don't know if this was the best
thing for you to get. You don't want to get
the bulletin ball.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I mean, I understand, I understand trying to plant something psychologically,
I get it. But at the same time, the last
thing you wanted to because you may have that quarterback
thinking about it. Okay, you definitely got the referee thinking
about it absolutely, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
And I mean, are the Eagles really.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Gonna change up their offensive game plan because you said that.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Probably not. Nope, They're gonna dance with the one that
brought them. But you know how this works.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
As a coach, You tell guys straddle that line, stay,
stay on the line, don't go.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
But some some guy through the whistle, yes, yeah, at
the end of the whistle. I thought I heard of
ruth some coat. Yeah, like through the whistle.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
So sometimes when players get into chase mode, and I've
been there myself when I played for the Jets and
Michael Vitt was running the ball and I'm running from
twelve to fourteen yards deep, I had no idea I
was on the white strip.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I had no idea I had run so far, and
I was like, well, I came as far. I mass
well finished it. It's like the Lincoln Park song. You'd
run so far and got so far. Yeah, it didn't
even matter. It didn't even matter. I mean I got
to fly, That's what I'm saying. You didn't matter.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
But I was like, I didn't know where I was right, Yeah, No,
I think I think that's the thing we'll see early
on if it does affect the officiating, uh, and if
it does affect the game plan at all. I don't
think it affects the game plan because if you're Philadelphia,
you're just not It's just like whatever. They're just saying something,
you know, like the same way we could say it
about their quarterback.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
But I am interested to see if that affects the
officiating because they read all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
I'll tell you now, the officials read all this stuff
all week, same as the same as the average football fan,
you know. And they're not in some sequestered bunkers somewhere
where they're not seeing all this stuff. So, you know,
and they have they have conversations about we have uh,
you know, all to talk about Paba Homes the Chiefs
Bills game. We're gonna see some of that too. Now
they get the most anti air quotes. Paba Homes referee
for that game. He's the guy who called the most
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amount of flags, uh percentage wise against Kansas City over
the last few years.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
So we'll see.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
And if we see, if I am Jalen Hurts, I'm
gonna have a little games misship of my own.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Oh reference, yeah, you guys, can I appreciate what you
guys do protecting us out there through the warm ups
in warm us, I'm like, yeah, yeah, some kids. Yeah,
I appreciate the way you guys are protected us out there.
And if the sorry about the sports talk guys giving
you a bum rap, saying, you.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Know, if it happens to be an off play and
I'm running the ball and I might slide at the
last second, a little.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Bit of a flop at the there I'm grabbing, I'm good.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Hook me up.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Roy Camp out there now.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
He's taking Jamien Hurst is now taking Patrick Mahomes acting
class at the Lebron James School.
Speaker 7 (32:11):
Lebron James School. That is perfectly saying, that is perfect.
We can cover any sport Ronando you want to let
come on it.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
It's a Lebron school and the class is being taught
by Patrick maholl There you go is a guest instructor.
He's just Sam oh.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
So revolved there a little bit of.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Uh this This has a been an interesting news night
as Robert Sala appears to be headed to San Francisco
to take their defensive coordinator job. We've talked about that
extensively here on this show, but he was Trent Balkey's
preferred candidate. If Alky had not got fired, had gotten
his way, Robert Sala would be signing paperwork to be
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the head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars right now. Instead,
he's going back to be the defensive coordinator of San
Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I liked that idea, and I thought that was going
to be the kind of natural progression for Coasala after
things didn't go well with the New York Jets, because
it makes sense, and there is the reason that makes sense.
He understands the vision of owner, Jed York, Kyl Shanahan
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and John Lynch. And in his time there as DC,
he changed the face of that defense and he turned
it over to Damika Ryans and they still played at
a high level, high enough level that Jamika Ryans was
able to parlay that into a head coaching job with
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the Houston Texas. So for Robert to go back to
where he kind of started to kind of really build
himself as a coach, I think it works well for him.
And also from their mental standpoint, you're walking back into
environment that you are familiar with. Now, some of the
players would have changed since he was there, But at
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the same time, that defense is deep rooted in getting
pressure from yore running a lot of you know, like
when you think about Dick Leboea, Pittsburgh was learning a
lot of fire zones and what that means is that
you're playing zone coverage in the back end and you're
bringing pressure not just with your D line, but maybe
you may add in a linebacker or an extra corn on,
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an extra dB being a nickelback in the pressure.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
When you hear people talk about zone blitzing, that's a fact.
Nick lebo is the grandfather of zone blitzing, and that's
what it is. It's bringing pressure with your front four,
but it's also finding one of your other's oone normal
zone guys to come through and bring some heat.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
And when you think about the tree to which Robert
Sala comes from, and I was fortunate that during one
of my coaching internships with the Seattle Seahawks, I mean
you got to think, like Gus Bradley was there, and
Gus went to Jacksonville, and Salah went with Gus to Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
That's where that Jacksonville connection.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
But Dan Quinn, after Gus Bradley left Seattle, was in Seattle, right,
and there was a lot of things that Robert Sala
learned from him. So when you watch football was essentially
a watching some of the same type of defense just
being executed a little different based on the personnel. So
I like the idea for Soli and hopefully, you know,
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he goes back there they find to him a couple
of things. They got they got a huge salad cap issue,
huge salary cap issue, and they're gonna have to resolve that.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
But it's it's a great fit for everyone all around.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, And I mean, and you are when you' watching
Robert Solid conduct a defense. You're watching what he learned
from Pete Carroll Day and Quinn Gus Bradley, you know,
and all those guys, and and incorporating him making.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
It his own.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
The problem with the Jets this past year wasn't the
defense problems. They lost a couple of close games early
and the ownership lost confidence that pulled the plug before
giving him a chance to write the ship. You know,
I mean, think about that. You had missed back to
back miss field goals over there for the Broncos game.
You had, I mean, throughout those five games, the Jets
should have won four of them probably to be honest
with you, and they put they put the bucket the
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head coach and and and pont died instead of given
him a chance to turn it around.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
And we saw what happened. The team uploaded it after that.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
See for me, I feel a little friend about these
particular situations. No, I'm not an owner, would love to
be one. But the whole idea is that when you
start to lose games, then that pressure starts them out.
And I can tell you this when you play in
the New York market on either of the sports teams basketball,
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baseball and football, there is a lot of pressure. You
get it from the fan base and you get it
from the media a lot. That's why when I look
at this media here, oh, in comparison to what I
experienced in New York as played out here, Oh yeah,
I'm let me put my feet up.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, yes, it's milk and cookies. Here is that type
of thing.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
But once again, I'm glad that rober get this opportunity
because guess what, two three years from now, things go well,
he finds himself back in the cycle.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, Jets, we're two and three before stank corect.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I thought it was one of four, two and three before,
you're two and three the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
You make the field goals on your three two.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
You come back and you look at the logs, their line, Gregine,
great fans, their lines.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Uh what's his name's kid?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Okay, well I knew it was coaching their last kick,
the guy who got in trouble with the NFL for
the reply off feature.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
But listen, man, you are right. The kicker, the phill
little kicker makes those kicks. Things are a little different
for both the Broncos and the Jets, but that just
tells you how competitive these games are and coach's careers.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Just kind of hang in the balance based on a
play here and there they do.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
And that's the thing, Like just a couple of players
can change everything. I mean, you know, like I said
that Broncos kick, all of a sudden, you're three and two.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
You got a winning record. Now they were what were
they three and nine after they fired Roberts All correct?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Three and nine? Yeah, three and nine. So they start
off two and three and then they then the wheels
came off. They went three and nine. Like, you know,
maybe you give them a chance to turn it around,
maybe a few maybe it's just a few bad bounces
early in the season, and you're honest something. But as
soon as you pulled your defensive coordinator and made him
the head coach, off the one unit that was working,
and then you know, so now you've got somebody else
being a defensive coordinator. Then you demoted Nate Hackett and
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brought Todd Downing. So now you're trying to reconfigure your
offense mid mid stream, and well, do you know it
wasn't gonna work at that point.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
No, And then the part that gets me is like
Robert Saler wanted to part ways with the thing.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
You hack it? Well, how can you part ways when
the thing you hack it? When Hackett has.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Such a bond with Aaron Rodgers, and that's kind of
when the demise took place, and players on either side
of the ball, they draw a close connection to their
position coaches, but also their head coach. And in this
case with the Jets, their defense was kind of the
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lynch pin.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Everything started with their defense.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
So if you take that brain trust away defensively, it
changes the mindset in the locker rooms with some of
those guys. And I'm I'm sure we all cliches of habits,
and I know everyone talks it's a team. It's a
team concept. But when you see that the defenses on
one side of the ball is out playing the other,
and then they're not toiling the company line and during
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their part, it becomes really difficult.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
And then now it's a fracture in the locker room.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yeah, but if you remove the head guy, well who's
the guy to keep everything that keep the train on
the tracks. And that's kind of situation that happened with
the Jets. But Sally doesn't have to worry about that anymore.
He's going back to San Francisco, an area, a coach
in an organization he's quite familiar with, so we'll get
a chance to see if he's able to turn it around.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Yeah, it's funny because he was fired not after the
Broncos game.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Roberts Holla fired after the Minnesota lost lost. They lost
us Le's like week five.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, back then, nobody thought Minnesota was good and so
they were like, oh god, we lost to Minnesota, and
now you saw where they were and it was a game.
It wasn't like the defense was bad in that game
for Robert Sala. The final score was twenty three to seventeen.
A large portion that was because Aaron Rodgers threw three
interceptions that.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
If you had that up right now, tell me what
the time of possession is between the two teams.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Teams, I'd have to go the game back and look,
I'm not sure I have it in front of it
that I yes, Bizar, what was it? Minnesota won the
type of possession, but barely. It was thirty thirty seven
to twenty nine to twenty three, Okay. And the reason
that it was that way is because again, you you
had new York Jets had play a top of possession,
they turned it over. They had three interceptions from Maaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
M So it wasn't the defense. No, it was not
the defense. Try that ophasize.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
He had a combination of hold on here, sorry, I'm
trying to pull upback up, it looks like yeah. And
they also had a fumble but they didn't lose it.
But you had you had Sam Darnold in that game,
who played went fourteen to thirty one, passing sub fifty percent,
no touchdowns at a pick and he fifty quarterback raading your.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Running backs in that game.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Aaron Jones only averaged he only had seven carries, but
he averaged four point one to carry. His longest run
was nine ty Tandler fourteen carries started win average two
point one.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Uh CJ. What were the sacks in the game? Back
and look at him. Ron.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Not only did Aaron Rodgers have the three interceptions, that
game ends in the last minute of the game on
the Vikings twenty five yard line with Aaron Rodgers throwing
in intersection right and they lost by six.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Heay the opportunity to get their driving to know the
interception did to end it what were you saying, I'm sorry,
sacks they sacked suned all four times, They intercepted him
once and sacked in four times.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
How many times was Rogers sacked?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Rogers was sacked three times in that game, picked off
three times in that game.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
See, that's a.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Very interesting situation when I think about Aaron glam being
in New York and trying to figure out the situation.
There's a lot of things that they have to figure
out in New York, but I think that's kind of
a high priority situation trying to figure out what you're
going to do with the quarterback position. Did you talk
to Aaron Rodgers trying to see if there's some common
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ground can you jumpstart or repair that relationship?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
I wonder, Yeah, it was Look, Sandar also fumbled the ball.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
He was intercepted in fumbling. It wasn't the defense that
was doing it.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
And so that anyway, Bob Solid gets a bad rap
for some things that were happening there. But a lot
of the stuff that you hear out of New York
that was negative about Robert Salad was coming out from
somebody another interested and invested party who was actually playing
poorly and wanted to blame off of himself and it's
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Yeah, that's gonna be a situation. Why truly closely, I
don't think we don't.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Think you can keep him, man. I think you got to.
I think you gotta rip that out. You can't.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
You can't build new culture when you get the when
you've got the blight still there.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Okay, no, you can't do that then, But what's your
other course of action?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
We understand we're.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Gonna be bad at quarterback our first yearuntil we find
our guy. We'll get bridge guys until we convinced we
find a guy in the draft, and then we take
what it takes to.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Go getting Have you ever been to New York?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I have, and there's absolutely if you're aeron Glenn Woody
Johnson and a six year deal just to make sure
you get fired.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
What you're suggesting is like an empire state, but you
type of pill that the fan base.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You tell them up front, They tell them up front,
and then that does what we're built. We're stripping this
thing down and building it back the right way. New
York Fans, No, no, no, that's not how this works. Okay, cool,
continue to be the giants. You say what all them march.
It's all them on Arch and I mean maybe you know.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I mean, but the way you approach this to the
fan base, Look, it's gonna be riping, strip, build down.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
We're tearing this thing down and building it right.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
So if you don't like that the Giants are cross town,
go root for them. They keep trying to put the
face you try to put a finger on the damn.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
So we're gonna rip it down to the studs, pull
the walls out, We're gonna new carpet, We're gonna rewire everything,
new roof.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, there's a home makeover. We're gonna building a whole
new house, New York Jets home over there. You don't
like it, you can move into the Rickety complex next door.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Just been putting pain on the walls for years. The
New York Giants are right over there. You don't want
to be a Jets fan. Giants are right there.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah. I think they called that one of those Porter parties.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
Yeah, yes, I mean that's you know, that's that's a
Porter party. I'm just saying, yes, the Port Party. Yes,
you know it's the Yankees the Mets, right.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Don't get me started on that because I know you're
a Mets fan. I mean, did not just slatter you
with that.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I'm sorry, that's on me.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I misspoke. I meant to say, Yankee sits on me.
Come on, I'll do that. I'll put the shoe in
my mouth during the way. We'll just I'll just sit
there with it the whole break. I didn't mean to
do that to you. That's my bad.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
But you know what, man, it is going to be interesting.
This time of the year is always exciting. We got
coaches moving around. Obviously, we have the Final Four this
weekend that's going to set up the Super Bowl. Then
we get into free agency and the draft. This is
the one thing I love about the NFL. The story's
(12:57):
never in And there's not an I not the professional
league that has this type of trauma that keep you
down there regardless of whether your team is in the
mix or not.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
But there's not another.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Professional sport that has almost like I mean, it's a
twenty four hour news cycle, but it's just like it's
a three sixty five news cycle.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
It never really dies.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
It's just I mean, the NFL is just like New
York City, the city or the spoiler nevers leaps.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
It never leaps talls.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Wait, it does, and it's certainly gonna be uh, it's
certainly gonna be interesting to sort of see you know
how that situation goes. But if it's me, you absolutely
got to pull the plug on Aaron Rogers. Now you
can't let that faster, Like what else you gonna because you,
I mean, he was running the show. You saw how
bad it was, like you gotta you gotta find a
way to cut that all.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Okay, okay, you cut that part out. Where are you
going to? You have to give me a stop gap?
Bring Sam Donald back one year, one year deal. I
said that today. I said it today.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Someone was like, nomson happened, Well, why would you bring
him back when he's already been there?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
And the fans like, okay, well if they hired the
offensive quarter, I think to go to hire that's Nick Kayley.
And we kind of thought out that if they hire him,
you bringing mat Chelse He's got he's been with him before,
he's just stopped up. He doesn't question you anything. It's
one year. If he hits mad Joan looks like a genius.
And if it doesn't, you look, we were just trying
this thing out till we could get to our.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Guy ors Matting in the next draft. Meg look, Mac Jones,
Mac jobs. Those are my.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Two choices, right, if all my choices, I would roll
with Sam Donald.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, because he's mobile.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Right, He's shown that he could win games. I know
things that work out well. And here here's the thing
a g would have prepared, which he showed that he
prepared well against Sam Dona when Donald was.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
With the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
So he knows him well, he knows what he can do,
what he can do, and how to help him. So
I mean, if you move over from Aaron, welcome back
Sam Donald.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I'm just like, like, you know, there's got to be you.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
You have to understand that whatever whoever is quarterbacking in
New York next year is probably a stop gap, right,
you don't have the draft capital be able to go.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
No, I mean, you know so and and he.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Do you even believe in those guys if you do,
if you don't whatever, I mean, the Giants believe that.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
You do, but I'm not sure the Jets do. Okay, well,
Sam would be.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
I mean, Donald would be enough to win you some
games and keep you in especially with the defense they
have in New York.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
They came in and.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Then you know, hey, like you said, I don't know,
I don't know if he's gonna do one year.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Deal, you'll give it two year deal. You do your
date with the club offs, right, yeah, I mean, you know,
you know how this is.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
So if if you can, I keep mind you probably
competition raiders probably probably being there on Sam Donald too
because they need something.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
But I'm just trying to say, like, what else are
you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Like you you know, I mean, you have to get
rid of Aaron Rodgers. You just have to admit this
isn't gonna be our year. We're rebuilt this thing and
set the expectation low so that way you clear it.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
As what as he gonna do?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Trade for the shell of Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Like I'm just trying to sign James No. No, Like
I'm trying, like your options aren't great.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
You know, there's a limited We'll figure out what the
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Speaker 2 (17:00):
I heard ready went almost.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
And and I don't have Grant's.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Range yet be either.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Does anyone that man can rock a mustache of beard?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Whatever, it doesn't matter, Zach, you sounded like Howley from
South Park. Kind of.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Everybody five six six nine zeros text live someone nine
times instincts.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Ben, You're brilliant. That's literally it. I'm kidding. There's more
of the text mess brilliant on air persona. Nick.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I love your perspective. I have a question about Arch Manning.
He's what three years out? Do you think Denver is
a possible landing spot with Uncle PFM?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Here hear me out My.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Thoughts are that his Peyton goes so it goes BO.
So how much longer Sean Payton under contract? And do
you see a scenario where that could happen.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Yeah, First of all, First of all, Arch is actually
eligible with the next draft, not this draft, but the
next one. Now, whether or not he comes out that early,
who knows. You know, these days, you make plenty of
It's not like he's hurting for money. He's in the
Manning family and oh, by the way, he makes plenty
of money with Nil.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Now it's it's not the same thing. So you know,
I don't know. If he comes out in twenty six,
could then you got twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Or day I think right now that would not be
on their radar. Now, if Bo were to have a
regression next year, I don't think he's gonna happen, which
Nick does not think is gonna happen. Nope, then maybe
you start to look into it, especially if it's like
a fall off the cliff regression.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
But I I don't, I.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Mean, I tend not to think it's gonna be I mean,
I think you'll have a slight regression. I don't think
it's gonna be huge. I think he's gonna be roughly
the same player he was this year statistically. When roughly
the same player statistically, when all said, oh wow, you know,
we'll see you.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Know, they get some dynamic playmakers in here. Maybe we're
talking a little different.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Man, What a way to you know, pop the enthusiasm
balloon like that.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I didn't say it would go backwards.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
I said, roughly the same man, geez, man, remind me
never to invite you to my kids party. You just
ruin the entire party. You know what's in that cake? Yeah,
you like the guy that comes in, you put your
hand in the whole cake. You know what's in that cake?
Red dye number forty.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
He's a red dye number forty. I don't even know
what that is. But Nick, well Nick always.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Knows, yes, yes, I know, yeah, don't don't eat.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
They just cut that off, just cut that part. I'm like,
I'm just sitting there like it. And he's like, you
know what they wrap that in.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
That that touches the illuminum.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
What are you doing? That's a car citogen?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
You know? Really quickly though, I a pet peeve of
mine that one of my kids did, and I still
can't understand it, you know. And one of my brothers
when I was growing up was the same way, like
there's certain food on his plate that couldn't touch. And
I'm like, well, it's going the same place. I'm with
(19:54):
your brother, What is really Yeah, Zach, are you the
same type of person like your peas or your cold
can't touch your mashed potatoes or your rice.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
No, I mean it depends on the food.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
That's something should do, Something should make a differing temperature,
should not mix. I mean we're talking like two chocolate
or whatever you're saying, like, you know, like something should
not mess. Like look at Thanksgiving, the turkey and the
gravy is gonna go the same place as the ice cream.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Doesn't mean I want them on the plate together.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
I'll make my turkey and my gravy and my mashed potatoes.
It's a slot fest on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I'm I'm i trough. They just put it all the
trough and I never got that. I'm just like, it's
going the same place.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Whether you pick up the fork now, you pick up
the fourth two minutes from now, it's going in the
same plan.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I want to taste them individually, because otherwise, you know,
what you could do, like to save time and ferguson
Thanksgiving next year. You could just make smoothies out of it.
Just pour it all in there, making a movie out
of it.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
If it's all going to same place here, here's right.
I'm just saying, yes, you can do that, and it
might even taste better. You know, Turke Cramberry, there's some cranberry.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Sauce in yes, pulls back to us, let us know
how that goes.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
There's no way I'm doing that. Yes, I'm trying to
bulk up anyway.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I don't think the artist thing is probably that's that's
where as of now that would be a no. Now
it depends if both falls off a cliff.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Sean Payton, we're not gonna happen. I don't think he's
not gonna. I don't think so either. I'm just saying
I'm laying it all out.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Just tell him no, Yeah, there's no way on God's
green Earth is gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I already text me saying the Wall Street Journal agrees
with me. I have no idea what they agree with
you on, but I'm glad for you. Uh, somebody said
Aaron Russell Wilson, Rogers a little different man like Russ
didn't live up to expectations. Aaron Rodgers torpedo to a
franchise on purpose.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I mean, I still find that Baron Rodgers was trying
to squeeze Wilson out.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Geez. You know. Well the reason I don't think is
going to work because AG is about accountability, right, and
that just I mean Rogers And look, I have nothing
against Rogers. I think he's a hell of a quarterback.
He's gonna be He's gonna be in the Hall of
Fame at one.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Day one day.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
But I just it just right now, it doesn't seem
as though it fits with Hacker being out.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
It doesn't fit. Yeah, I just I don't. I don't
understand that. I don't. I don't. Yeah, anyway, we'll see
what else we got to have. Brian Shout out to
Brian for for listening. I'm here.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
We got to see someone that says, let me add on,
I'm a big bow fan. I wanted him to come here.
I meant more, do you think bo is tied to
Sean Payton kind of like Breeze was?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I think that that's the whole idea.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
That's why you know, I'll want to get to the
other but if Bo has success, then you'd stay here.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Obviously Sean would get at a contract extension at that.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Point of course, so they are married together and the
ideas that Sean this is the first time Sean is
attempting to do something as far as having a rookie
quarterback and actually develop him and then have a continuation
of what we saw this season as bold with the
hopes he would get better from year one so on
(23:06):
and so forth. So those some guys are joining to him.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, I mean his first time Sean Payn's developed the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
People like to attribute to Tony Romo thing there, but Romo
never played for Sean Payton. Cheanpete was you know, was
there when they were trying to develop him, but that
he didn't he hadn't seen the field at that point
to develop. So you know, I guess you get partial
credit there. I'll give him some credit, but he didn't
play for him either, so it's you know, I don't
know anyway as far as the rest of that goes.
Uh did you see these comments Joe whit made, Yeah, man,
(23:34):
their defensive quarter of Joe Witt.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Okay, so I don't know about you, but I immediately
got Greg Williams vies not saying that, he's not saying that,
he's said what Greg Williams said, Right.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
So you think you think he's trying to Tanya Harding,
Nancy Carrigan the Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Well, listen, man, we already know that every team around
the league gets injury reports. You know a guy I
had a knee injury, right, You saw it happen. You're
watching it, old Phil. You saw how he was. He
didn't really produce after that. It was just handed off
to Saquon. So the idea is that, hey, listen, if
(24:11):
he runs the ball, he's now a runner. And we've
had all this talk all week long about how the
league isn't protecting other quarterbacks like they're protecting Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
So what Joe just basically said, this team go eat.
Speaker 7 (24:30):
Well.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I have the quote in front of me.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
So today Joe Witt warned, I guess Nick Sirianni about
his quarterbacks saying quote, So one thing is if he's
going to run the ball, and if the quarter then
it makes a decision for him to run the ball.
We're going to treat him like a running back and
we're going to hit him that way. And now on surface,
you know that's that's not.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
A big deal.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
I don't think anybody expect any least in the NFL.
I think it'd be the same way for Philly and
Jaydan Daniels, right.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
But it certainly it didn't face Nick to reality.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Nick Sirianni came back and just said, every team's going
to try to tackle Jaalen. We ultimately already are conscious
how we use him, how he using each play. But
there seemed to be certainly an emphasis on the fact
that Joe Wit came out.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
And said that.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I took it as a psychological play.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I felt like Joe one of those comments in the
public space so that Jayalen Hurts would see them and
be thinking about that before he took off.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Yeah, but here's the other part of that too. You
said this openly, so wow, you wanted him to get
to Well, yes, but your players are well aware of
these comments as well, So how how is it that
they process this information? Is he going now, I'm going
to go back in the meeting room, and just like
I was just saying, that just to kind of stir
the pot.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Don't don't listen to me.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
No, no, that's not how that works, to be aggressive.
But I think he's gonna emphasize don't get a flag.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
You know how many games if you watch, where coaches
probably told guys, hey, you know this is a physical game,
but don't do this, and they did it anyway many
when you trying to attack doll to attack man, Yes,
you can't tell him to Hugh.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I think it's funny in light of these comments, because
I saw some Buffalo Bills fans and tweeting out, you know,
we just need to let Kajack cut it loose against
Pat Mahomes and maybe and I'm like, oh man, oh
poor Kajack.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I try to run him out the league. Oh man.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
But yeah, this is interesting. It's certainly interesting. They frame
it that way. I when I look at it, I don't.
I didn't look at it as a Greg Williams way.
I looked at it more as a psychological ploy, like, hey,
I want that quarterback thinking about my guys's gonna be
hitting him all night before he takes off.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Because it's a big part of Jalen Hurst's game, you know,
it is. The Lefs is a big part of what
Jailen Hurst teache it is.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Let me stay correct for anyone out there, listen, I'm
not saying what Joe Whitt said is exactly what Greg
Williams right by. But it's just like, okay, well, what
are you really saying to your players? But here's the
other thing about it too, this game because now this
is the third team the time these teams would have
played themselves right right, and it's within the same division.
(26:54):
They don't really liked one another. You just added fuel
to the fire. And oh, by the way, do you
know how rough as they get in Philadelphia?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
They get down? Yeah, in Philadelphia. So let's just.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Say that something happens, someone hits Jalen Hurts Late hit
him in his leg. He's out of the game. Right
the backup quarterback can he pick it? Who's dealing with
injuries on his own? He has to come in. Now,
you don't think that that sort of painted a bullseye
on Jayden Dames back to as well?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
It's almost like baseball, you get our a guy who
eat you with the ball.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah, I mean maybe it's one of those things where
I mean the last time these two teams have played twice.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
They split each each home team won.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
This year, I will say the Commanders were up on
the Eagles. They were up ten to six at the
end of the third quarter, and then the Eagles ran
off twenty points in the fourth quarter and the Commanders
only got eight. They finished that final twenty six eighteen,
And if I remember correctly, a lot of that was
safe one Barkley.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
But Jalen Hurts had ten design runs in that game.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
I mean he threw it twenty eight times, but he
had ten design runs in there too, one of which
was a touchdown. To me, that suggests that they're trying
to plant something with him because they wanted to try
to figure out a way to keep that run game contained.
As tough, you got a quarterback as mobiles hurts, you
got a back like Saquon Barkley, by the way, went
for a buck forty six in the first game of
that series.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
You know that's that's that's tough for me.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
This changes how the game is being played on both
sides because a challenge was basically issued by Joe witt
right to Nick Sirianni whether.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
The game hurts, got hurt and pick ahead to come
in the second one. Yes, because concussion.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah right, So now it priors yeah right. And now
you're putting it out verbally to the league.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
And once again, the conversation all week long, right across
the country on sports talk radio has been about Patrick
Mahomes getting somewhat of favorable calls. So now you put
this on the radar for their fishes. So if I'm
Nick Sirianni, guess what I'm doing before the game. I'm
talking to every single ref letting them know about these comments.
(29:10):
We're getting the flags ready, We're getting the flags red.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Got an extra flag in the belt. Yes, the quick
release holder applies to Sirianni. Throws a flag in the day,
Sirianna has got a yellow flag. He launches it out there,
He reaches in there, throws it out there. Because for
coach with I don't know if this was the best
thing for you to get. You don't want to get
the bulletin ball.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I mean, I understand, I understand trying to plant something psychologically,
I get it. But at the same time, the last
thing you wanted to because you may have that quarterback
thinking about it. Okay, you definitely got the referee thinking
about it absolutely, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
And I mean, are the Eagles really.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Gonna change up their offensive game plan because you said that.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Probably not. Nope, They're gonna dance with the one that
brought them. But you know how this works.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
As a coach, You tell guys straddle that line, stay,
stay on the line, don't go.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
But some some guy through the whistle, yes, yeah, at
the end of the whistle. I thought I heard of
ruth some coat. Yeah, like through the whistle.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
So sometimes when players get into chase mode, and I've
been there myself when I played for the Jets and
Michael Vitt was running the ball and I'm running from
twelve to fourteen yards deep, I had no idea I
was on the white strip.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I had no idea I had run so far, and
I was like, well, I came as far. I mass
well finished it. It's like the Lincoln Park song. You'd
run so far and got so far. Yeah, it didn't
even matter. It didn't even matter. I mean I got
to fly, That's what I'm saying. You didn't matter.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
But I was like, I didn't know where I was right, Yeah, No,
I think I think that's the thing we'll see early
on if it does affect the officiating, uh, and if
it does affect the game plan at all. I don't
think it affects the game plan because if you're Philadelphia,
you're just not It's just like whatever. They're just saying something,
you know, like the same way we could say it
about their quarterback.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
But I am interested to see if that affects the
officiating because they read all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
I'll tell you now, the officials read all this stuff
all week, same as the same as the average football fan,
you know. And they're not in some sequestered bunkers somewhere
where they're not seeing all this stuff. So, you know,
and they have they have conversations about we have uh,
you know, all to talk about Paba Homes the Chiefs
Bills game. We're gonna see some of that too. Now
they get the most anti air quotes. Paba Homes referee
for that game. He's the guy who called the most
(31:23):
amount of flags, uh percentage wise against Kansas City over
the last few years.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
So we'll see.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
And if we see, if I am Jalen Hurts, I'm
gonna have a little games misship of my own.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Oh reference, yeah, you guys, can I appreciate what you
guys do protecting us out there through the warm ups
in warm us, I'm like, yeah, yeah, some kids. Yeah,
I appreciate the way you guys are protected us out there.
And if the sorry about the sports talk guys giving
you a bum rap, saying, you.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Know, if it happens to be an off play and
I'm running the ball and I might slide at the
last second, a little.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Bit of a flop at the there I'm grabbing, I'm good.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Hook me up.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Roy Camp out there now.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
He's taking Jamien Hurst is now taking Patrick Mahomes acting
class at the Lebron James School.
Speaker 7 (32:11):
Lebron James School. That is perfectly saying, that is perfect.
We can cover any sport Ronando you want to let
come on it.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
It's a Lebron school and the class is being taught
by Patrick maholl There you go is a guest instructor.
He's just Sam oh.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Appreciate you guys stinking with us tonight here on Broncos
Country Tonight.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
I've got about prime time coming up next Here on
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