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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, Brian mcpherguson Zach seekers here with you five sixty
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
That's relief too.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Three three one zero zero. Big news day around the NFL.
The Jaguars officially get the Liam Cohen thing done. Pete
Carroll takes the Las Vegas Raiders job. You listen to
this show, you were definitely not surprised by that.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Nick. How you doing, man, I'm doing well.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
And the AFC wes just got that much more interesting.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It did.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
The AFC West now sponsored by the earlier Bird special
at Cracker Barrel. The youngest head coach in the AFC
West is now Sean Payton at sixty one years old.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
He is eight days younger than Jim Harball.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
To put that in perspective, the average age of the
NFC West he is forty years old, so a little
bit of a difference there. It did get better, and
that was the thing I was worried about when people
were talking about Ben Johnson and the Raiders job.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
The one thing I said was.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Look, I'm I'm worried about Pete Carroll, not Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Ben Johnson's unknown commodity. I don't know what he's as
head coach. I've seen what he is in OC. You
got a team with no quarterback, and I don't know
what I think about him. There, Pete Carroll is instantly
going to make the Raiders better.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
They might not win Super Bowls, but they're gonna be better.
And so now all of a sudden, you don't have
any give.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Me games in the AFC West.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
No, as they would say, gimme is what got you here?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
And when you look at Pete Carroll.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
The first thing I thought about it because once again
you brought it up on the show, you mentioned it.
I know you've been taking a lot of sleans and
kind of backlash, but to your credit, you're absolutely right.
And I like this for so many reasons because it
makes this this kind of division really exciting. And for
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me when I merely go back to what people were saying,
and you mentioned it at the very beginning, talking about
Pete Carroll's age. He is the oldest coach in the
NFL at seventy three years young. But here's the difference.
He's seventy three going on fifty five. Okay, exactly Like
if you were to look at Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll
and Andy Reid and put him side by side to
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try to guess their age, I don't believe he would
have been able to guess. Pete Carroll is seventy three,
and you think about Andy Reid, who's sixty six.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
He looks Andy looks older than he really is.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
And I can say this because I've had the distinct
pleasure to be around Pete Carroll when Dan Quinn was
there as their defensive coordinator and to see the environment.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Ben.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I had to tell you, Man, I was a little jealous.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I say, man, I got to be a.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Part of that, because this was right after the Broncos
loss to the Seahawks and met life. I call Seattle,
call my dudes, my people, and say, look, I want
to come to Seattle and understand the culture, to understand
what it is. And how is it that Pete doesn't
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yell at his coaches, doesn't yell at his players on
the field in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
You've never seen Pete Carrow do that.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
So why is it that he's able to get the
most out of his players? And oh, by the way,
how in hell did he have control of these in
the boom the way that he did.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
He understands people, he does, and some of that is
understanding personality types.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
By the way, is this perfect segue to that I.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Took the NFL's psychiatric Personality Assessment.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, I got the results. We can go over those
a little later in the show. But I took it.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
The one they're giving out to the Shrine game right
now is trying to get into the.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Combine all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
But I took the new personality assessment as far as
that kind of stuff goes.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So I'll read off some of this up we letter.
You guys can tell me how accurate you think it is.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Some of it, I know, we do get Dave Temper
in here because some of it I know, as somebody
who has to matisfy my personality knows that.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I don't even need to know results.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
All of it is, at least some of it is not.
Some of it all of it is true. Well, we'll see.
I there's some things I sort of disagreed with a
little bit. I'm sure you did. Well. No, it's not
like a negative positive thing.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
It's just like the areas that they think that I
need to be spoken to, or the way that I
need to be communicated with, or to maximize me. And
I'm kind of like, I disagree with that one a
little bit. But there was something that I thought we're
pretty spot on. It is a really easy assessment. Didn't
take me long. So we'll get it. We'll get an
opportunity to go over that a.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Little bit later in the show as well, just for
some funds. He's here.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
We got Corvett Smith going to join us seven o'clock.
He uh was on the beat covered Pete Carroll a
tendancyattle for years uh and has a has a good
relationship with Pete, and so we'll get a chance to
talk to him about what it is that we're really
getting in the division here as well. You know, Nick,
we've we've had this cats and dogs thing for a
couple of days. You say the thing you sent me
the other day, Yes.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Zach, are you Are you a cat person or a
dog person? Dog person? Dog person? Okay? And you say
that as a person.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
When I say that, you mean that as a pet,
you would rather have a dog than a cat.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, okay, because we all know where a good friend
Bree is definitely a cat person.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yes, right, in that sense you mean cat like features.
Well yeah, really, actually, in that one always lands on
our feet, I'm a cat and a dog person. Well,
so here's the thing I was thinking about this because
you sent me that.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I was thinking about the other day, like, I'm definitely
a dog person in terms.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Of having a pet. I don't like cats. I love dogs.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
But then I get to thinking about that, I was like, well,
but if you applied that to me as a person,
I'm probably more like a cat than I am like
a dog.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
You know, I like to sleep.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Twenty hours a day. I get up and start belly
aching loudly for food. I'm calculating if you put me
on a table, I'm probably going to knock step off
of it.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
You want to be really you want to be really
delicate about what you're saying. Because as I sit here
and listen to you, the first thing that I heard
when he said, well you more you know, you say
your dog, but you're more like cat.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Like Tennessee's I don't want the cats because I don't
want the competition.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
See see but once again just like visiting. All right,
but here's the thing. See cats they looked seisty, like
you can't really trust them, like they're always potting on you.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Right, they don't do anything. They don't protect the house.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
They just eat, poop and lay down and in some
occasions they just scratch up your furniture.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Right, burglar bricks.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Into the house.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
He's showing the burglar rug where the goods are.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
So I don't want that guy, right, So let me
take the audience bag and Zach, if you haven't seen it,
I'll take you.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Let me say this scene for you.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
So I said, it been a video of where this
owner had a camera in the house and the dog
was trying to get more dog food when the dog
shouldn't have. So the dog knew where the food was,
knew exactly where the camera was.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
He went and moved the camera so he can go
get the food.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Guess what his buddy, the cat jumps off of the stand,
looks at the dog.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And moves the camera so the owner can see the dog.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Come on, man, I'm not out of your dry that's
drysnacy man.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I'm not saying that I'm a perfect one to one here,
but there are some definite cat like tendencies if you
know me so so that means that you you might
not be.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
A snitch, but you may have snitch like tendencies.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I'm not I'm gonna cover from a from a boy's
I I would say that as far as the rest
of it, because the difference bet to cat and God,
that cat and dogs is very similar.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
It's you know, it's his cats. No, they're not.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Well, I mean, I'll put you like this with with cats,
you know, you feed them, you give them attention, and
they think they're God.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
With a dog, you feed them and you give them attention,
they think you're God. That's why that man's best friend.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Right, So there are some cat like tendencies to me.
I'm not out there trying to snitch on anybody. I'm
not calculating like if I.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Were bigger, I would eat you. You know, like cats
seem to look you look in their eyes, and that's
kind of the feeling you get, you know, like if
I if I wasn't just sized, it would eat you.
You know what. See, I'm a cat and dog person.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Well look at it in this viewpoint right for you,
Zach and the listeners like if we were living in
a post a pocketalyptic type of area. I get that
you want your dog or you want your cat, because
your dog is going to give you a sense of
when danger is around.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I always said this cat, I want a dog. The
dog is don't sacrifice himself.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
The cat.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
You got to sacrifice yourself exactly. See, that's why I'm
more like a cat. But I would have a dog
as a pet.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yes, that's why.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Because I'm telling you right now, if I'm not the
fastest in the group, I got a gun and you
got a legacy.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Hey, hey, listen, zobies are chasing this, Zach, you may
get caught. Well, no, you mean it's not gonna be me.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I gotta strong need to survive.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And see for me, I take this thing full circle
because I was watching The Quiet Place, right, I think
that the day one and one of the main actresses
in the movie she's trying to save this damn CA.
I'm like, no, man, I'm not sacrificing myself. Hey, I
thought you had nine lives, so you got to use
all of them. I'm not getting involved.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I only got one.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
You don't want something that's just gonna yow, like something
that doesn't understand.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Like be quiet is kind of a deal.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yes, in a movie called The Quiet Place, the cat
needs to set up. See the dog. When you talk
to the dog and you give the dog the looking
your point, dogs say not that he laid down. Man,
the ears go back.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
He lays down. Cat, give you up. That's what saying
for a pet. I would have a dog. But if
I had to compare.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
What what animal I'm closest to, I'm just saying probably
closer to a capital.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Said like tendency five six six nine zeros text line. Yeah,
I mean a little bit of that. We'll see. It's
about it being a good news day around the NFL.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
It is I may or may not be taking victory
laps with the coaching staff, so you.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
May or may not. I mean, everybody knows that I
am the idea of you.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Mentioning it is starting your first step of taking your
victory life.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Well, look, I was gonna be humble, but why.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Well that's not in your I tried being humbled.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I tried being humbled.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, it's just it's funny like It's one of those
things where I get and the reason that I do
that is just because of the unbearably ignorant blast of
nonsense that I get on uh, you know, social media
all the time. Dude, if you're a failed comedian, don't
sit there and critique my career. Okay, I'm just saying,
and I think you know who I'm talking about, But anyway,
I'm just saying, if you're if you're a failed comedian,
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don't sit there and take shots at me.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
We're going they'll be talking on mine. No no, no, no, no,
no no no. We're not gonna do that. We are
not going to do that. All right.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
We keep it real, We keep it really honest with
one another. If you want to tell me off, I
won't tell you're off air. Okay, I'm trying to give
this guys. You know this guy can't get it run
anyway I'm say, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Mean, listen, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
It's funny to me the difference between people around the
league when they talk to me and people on you know,
and these kind of people that you know they talk to.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Me, because like when I'm on, when I'm on, you know,
when I want.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
To talk to people around the league. It's just like, yeah, man,
I appreciate you. You know, you always with the info
and all that kind of stuff, and you know, and
that kind of stuff, and then you get on Twitter,
you know, and it's just it's funny how the league
laughs at those guys.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
The only laugh that guy ever gets, by the way.
But it's it's funny how it's funny.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
How I'm just saying, like, it's it's just weird to me.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
How help like, dude, like, find someone else when your
wife went on a podcast and lied about me, Like
it goes somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
You're desperate for attention. Everybody knows it's still somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
See, as you tell the story, I wanted to continue
to keep you talking because as you do this, I'm
trying to figure out the.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Person, but you keep dropping easter eggs.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I just want to make sure this person definitely knows
what make sure they know who I'm taking a dump.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, and everybody Broncos Country knows who I'm taking a
dump on. Well, since I don't know, help me out.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I'm not saying her name out loud, say their names,
say their name.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
No, I got them that you know, you.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Know what, you know what, I take that back, don't
say their name, don't give them any credit or their
their name on the airwaves.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I'm not trying to I'm not trying to give these
guys right, like give me like that.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
So either you gonna see them as the precursor to
opening mic night on Monday at the Comedy Works or whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
But anyway, besides that part aside, I'm just like, it's
funny the difference between talking to actual people in the
league and then weirdos on twitters.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
It's just why it's a wild.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
So that's why I do stuff like this and take
these victory laps because I'm like, bro, you don't even
know what you don't know, Okay, even though.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
They don't know, they don't know, and you know, we're
not gonna say their name for you know, obvious reasons. Well,
let's talk about the actual situation itself, the idea of
the coaches who are now to be head coaches in
this league when there was this whole idea of shuffling
the deck and is figuring out who's gonna be whaere
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each coach who landed a job and your mind landed
the perfect spot for them.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I think they landed at the spot they felt was
perfect for them. Aaron Glenn, you know, I think he
took a look at a long look at New Orleans.
But in the end, you don't have you're in cap hell.
You're going to have to cut Eric Carr with a
post June one.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
So means you don't have the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
And so if you've got two situations where you're probably
cutting the quarterback between Aaron Rodgers and Derek Carr, then
you're looking at the available assets that you've got to rebuild.
The Jets will have cap space, the Jets have flexibility.
The Jets have good draft picks they got. The Saints don't.
They don't have any cap flexibility, they don't have all
that kind of stuff. And so at the end of
the day, I think Aaron Glenn looked at that and said, Okay,
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I'm gonna choose the New York Jets. Ben Johnson looked
at the situations that he had there. You know, they've
got the quarterback. Really what they need in Chicago's offensive line,
something that he helped build in Detroit. Also, you look
at the divisions and you've got you know the AFC West,
which is a murderer's row, And people would probably say
that about the NFC North except the.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Detroit Lens are losing all their coaches.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
The Minnesota Vikings are going to be starting a rookie quarterback,
second year guy, but first type starter in J. J.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
McCarthy, and green May was just kind of middle of
the road.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
So the NFC North is is probably going to take
a step back here, and why not the Bears to
take off in that situation. They've got a pre build defense,
you got the you think, you get the quarterback, and
you build the offensive line. So I think Ben Johnson
looked at that and he found what he wanted. I
think Pete Carroll found the right organization. It was them
or Dallas, you know that would let him be him,
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let him come in and be him. And even if
it is a tough division, you know he's going to
make the Raiders better.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
That's certainly that's going to be a thing.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Uh. And then you know Liam Cohen, you know he's
getting full control there in Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
They got the quarterback in Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
So I think that for each of these guys, I
think they got into positions that they feel.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Are perfect for them.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I had not even touched on Mike Vrabel because that's obvious,
but you know, you know, I mean, that's that's what
that is.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Here's the difference between irregular Situation and Liam Cohn. I mean,
there's a lot of the there's a lot to impact
with Lee and and I'm sure we definitely get into it.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
But Shai Kam was willing to.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Fire Trent Bawki when it was said that he wasn't
after parting ways with Doug Pretercer.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
But from what I'm from what I'm reading is that
when Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Interviewed down in New Orleans, there was someone of like
a contingency plant something that he wanted, right, I would
become your next head coach if you do this, And
that was allowing him to take part in hiring his
own GM and being part of the process because let
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me kind of pull the curtain backs of people to
understand this. Sometimes head coaches get jobs and they are
not in a position where they are able to pick
their coaching staff or their players.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
New flash that is a real thing has.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Happened in the league quite a bit, quite a bit,
and that is something that AG did not want. So
that meant that, hey, you want me here, do you
got a fire?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You know, Mickey Micky Lewis, when they were not going
to do that, they were not going to do it.
So he said, moving on up to new he might
wind up with Broncos Derek Muji up there, we'll see.
That's you know, I.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Mean, but that's what he wanted. He wanted to make
sure that he had an opportunity to be a part
of the process of picking a guy who was going
to help determine success on the field. And I think
for me, I said, it's always a good thing where
you are working in concert with someone else. You know,
you may just you may have differences, but can we agree.
We're trying to make the team better. So I hope
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that works out for AG. Hope it works out.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
For Lean Colin.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
It's been a thing where a recent trend where coaches
are picking the general manager a lot now, you know.
I mean, it kind of started with the Broncos and
Vic Fangio.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
That sings blacks, doesn't it. I mean sort of because
it's the way it was always done.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
But the reality is, I mean, if you think about it,
you want somebody who's in line with your vision of
what you want to do. You want somebody who understands
the game the same way you do. Somebody you can
have a good, real working relationship with instead of an
ego fest battle where the general managers like I got
the ingredients of the coaches like yeah, but I make the.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Cake, you know, And you know, I think you want somebody.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
A collaborative working environment and maybe one of the better
ways to accomplish that as we evolve the hiring practices
there in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
So, you know, good for age. I hope it works
out for most of these guys.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I think got input at least on that. Ben Johnson
didn't get input on that. In fact, he traded that
he could have had input with the Raiders although they
wanted John Spi Tech.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Instead, he goes with Brian Poles, who's already hired by
the Bears, and you know, and Settle was there. So
Ben Johnson is in.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
When you look at the landscape right now, there's still
are two jobs open Dallas in New Orleans. But for
the guys who have already signed or imprinciple are head
coaches of new teams. I gotta say I like Ben
Johnson's position the best, not just because of other teams
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in the division. I'm just looking from a roster standpoint,
personnel standpoint.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I mean, you got a good.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Defense, some pieces on defense, and boy do you have
some weapons on offense. For the creative mind that we've
seen Ben Johnson that helped catapult him to this position.
Looking at Chicago, I dare to say in twenty twenty
five that where Washington is right now, I would say
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maybe the Chicago Bears are next year this.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Time could be, I would say that they're probably in
position to be that. I'm looking forward to, looking forward
to seeing what they do there this offseason to get
there real quick for you gotta hit the break. One
other thing that I talked about Darren Mougie possibly going
to the Jets. One of the most hilarious things I've
seen going in Broncos country right now is there is
somehow this effort to rewrite Darren Mugie's ethnicity in an
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effort and an attempt to get to compensation draft compensatory
draft picks. I'm sorrybody edited his Wikipedia page to make
him Darren Muhammad.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Uh Darren Muhammad.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, or whatever it was anyway, and tried to try
to pretend that he was a minority in an effort
to get, uh see if they could get draft picks
out of There's a whole concerted effort on Twitter, photoshop pictures,
all this kind of stuff. Darren Moosey's real name, middle
name is Webster.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Uh, they couldn't get any more any less of a
minority middle name than than probably that. But it was
it's certainly hilarious that you're watching some of Broncos countries.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I kept getting questions about this today, like people believed it.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Do the Broncos get competitory picks if the Jets?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
And I'm like, no, Like, Darren Mooch is the whitest
guy you've ever seen. He has the whitest middle name
you've ever seen. And yeah, anyway, so somebody edited his Wikipedia.
They've edited back sense, but somebody edited his Wikipedia page
yesterday and had all the stuff going trying to try
to fake this thing. I just appreciate Broncos Country's effort
to try to improve the Broncos, but guys, let's uh,
let's edit people's Wikipedia pages are Broncos Country And I'm
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back at this five six, six, nine zeros and text line.
We'll get back to that in just a moment. So
breaking news. It appears the according to multiple reports out there,
the Colorado Avalanche are trading Nico Rantonan to the Carolina Hurricanes.
We don't have officially what they're getting back yet.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Looks like a three team trade.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
And we don't officially have what they're getting back yet
in that deal, but.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I will say that it does. It does look like.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Any c as Martin Nachus, I believe how you pronounce it,
I believe yes is possibly coming here. He's got fifty
five points in forty nine games, he's a center, looks
like he's coming back, and according to reports, it looks like. Yeah,
it looks like the Avs are remaking their entire top
six with a move like this. So fascinating stuff there.
We'll keep you updated once we have, once we have more.
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Apparently he's played right wing for three weeks for three
years now, but he's played center back before that.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
So interesting that.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Interesting as far as this goes, this is certainly a
surprise to people.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Well, Ben, I'll say this.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
When you look at the points leader in the NHL,
that is Nathan McKinnon and five slots down as Miko
Ranton and at sixty four because McKinnon has seventy five
and you have to figure the trade deadline is in
March and the Avs we're trying to figure out ways
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to bring Mika Ranton in back. But it's the same
thing we see in every sport.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
It's money. And you had to figure that.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Rantonen was looking to get paid because he's in the
final year of his deal and I think he wants
like maybe like fourteen million dollars or something like that
a year, and I don't think that the were willing
to do that.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
And so look to Ranton is credit for me.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
If you don't ask for the money and you don't
play like you earn it you've earned it, then they're
not going to give it to you.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
But I can see the idea on both sides. He
wants to get paid.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
It's almost like, think about it, the situation that Miami
is going through with Jimmy Butler, but without the headache
from Jimmy Butler. So Ranton is not being somewhat of
a headache in an ABS organization. But he's like, pay
me what I'm worth and they're like, well, see what
had happened was And I guess they figures out the
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person that they're adding still gives them value, still keeps
them in contention. But if you are an ABS fan, man,
you have to be a little upset right now by
hearing this news that Mika Ranton in the three team
trade and I.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Think he's out of here. Yeah, it's it's interesting. I mean,
Miko's coming off two straight hundred point seasons. You know,
it's it's it's weird because there's a lot of people.
A lot of the reaction here is on Miko demanding
having more than Nathan McKinnon, that he wanted more and Nathan.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Mc what more do you want to Nathan McKinnon.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I mean, McKinnon's a perennial MVP in the in the
National Hockey League. So getting Netch's back is apparently a
pretty pretty big deal. Although the people that I'm looking
at right now are saying they don't believe that the
ADS are done. They think there are more moves here
to come, that they're going to remake their their you know,
their top six.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
So that's gonna be a fascinating night. Buckle up, we'll see,
we'll see if the ads make any more moves as best.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, we don't just talk a lot of hockey on
the show, but get to talk a little bit tonight
for a second.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
So we'll we'll see, we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
But anyway, the breaking news is that the Avalanche are
trading NKO Randon away, So we'll see again with the
final compensation on that deal is and it looks like
it's a three way deal to make that work.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Five six six nine zero is the text line.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Talked a little bit about some of these coaching maneuvers again,
Pete Carroll joining the Las Vegas Raiders. H if you
listen to this show for then apreciable amount of time,
you knew that was coming. Liam Cohen to Jacksonville, he
also knew that was coming. That whole saga that transpired
yesterday was certainly fascinating as Oh that's what that's.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
What you're gonna call it, Well.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Fascinating, I'm gonna I'm gonna say fascinating it tell I'm.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Sure we could not alden the radio friendly part of
the reason that Liam Cohen went radio silence on Tampa
in the morning after Tampa had after Jacksonville had.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Real he had a personal issue. Right, that's well, I
think the one is Jacksonville had a personal issue. Yeah,
we'll get to that. Liam told his employers that he
was with his son.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
He never left Jacksonville, but he told him he was
with his son there in Tampa to doctors, which was
not true.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
His son wasn't the doctors with his mother. Uh. But
but Liam was not there.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
The reason that he had to go radio silent is
because Jacksonville hadn't completed their Rooney Rule and interview they
did with Patrick Graham. They held a sham interview with
Patrick Graham sold well solid didn't go solid.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
He was supposed to he was supposed to it.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
He shot him both burls, both purls uh and said
no thanks and was taking the DC job there in
uh in San Francisco, the Talo would have been the
head coach if Trent Bulkey had stay. But Patrick Graham
was there for a sham interview for the Rooney Rule
and Liam Cohen had to go sit in a restaurant
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for a couple hours while they did this phony interview
with the guy they had no intention of hiring whatsoever,
So they could satisfy the Rudy rules and then reinterviewed
Liam Cohen in the afternoons.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Oh had it's garbage. It absolutely stinks.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
And what Rooney tried to do by getting the league
to implement the Rooney Rule to give minority coaches an opportunity,
it's almost as though you see a lot of these
teams so they're spinning on it.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
What we saw the New England Patriots with their sham oh,
don't give me start, don't started.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
A minute, yes, and Hamilton they have no intention of
hiring and signed Grod.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Mayo was one of your own, just for one year,
only to fire him.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
A year late.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Well, they were contractually obligated to hire Mayo because of
the contract that he had. He was hit coach and
waiting in his contracts, so they were contractually obligated to
do that last year.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
It still doesn't make a difference because the situation that
Mayo was in.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
You got Drake may as a rookie.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
It was untenable. You weren't gonna wait everybody down New
England was gonna win last year.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
But then you go, oh man, you know what, you
didn't win. Now we gotta fire you, and I think.
I mean, there were elements where Gerard was in over
his head.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
You can't, as the head coach, say you're going to
suspend a player in Ramondra Stevenson for the game for
our conduct and and it whi's decision. And then fifteen
minutes later he's starting the game and you didn't suspend him,
Like there were there were things that happened.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
That Yeah, okay, Ben, you're not saying that's I want
to say that.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
You were saying that the reason that was okay, that
was the reason.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
No, No, I'm saying is a head coach, you can't
have that happen. It's embarrassing. But you know, there's there's
there's a lot going on here in several of these
and and the problem is, like I think the Rooney
Rule is great in it's in its intention, I think
it's great. I think it's great to get guys and
put them in front of head coaches and mandate those
interviews so that guys get you know, at worst, you
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get experience.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Okay, what's held in otherwise.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Okay, what's the use of getting the experience been if
the overall ideas that you're not going to be hired.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Anyway, Well, there's a butt coming and that's the butt.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
But the problem with this rule is is that you
get what's what has happened?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Now?
Speaker 1 (27:54):
You get guys they fly out there for a sham
interview that they have no intention of hiring whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
And what becomes the point? Now it becomes this thing
that everybody's just spitting on.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
They as they work around it in an effort to
get their guys, whether it's Jacksonville, whether it's New England.
The Raiders have done it before when they were hiring
John Gruden. I mean, it's I mean, what are you doing.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It's one thing for someone to talk to you and
say something to you.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
And Aaron Glenn told the Patriots no because he knew.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
How far, Yes he knew, But for someone to have
you to believe something is going to work in your
favorite man being.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
You did a great interview, you did a.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Great job, and all that, you know, gassing you up
thinking that you got the opportunity, knowing all.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Along you had no intention. No, you had no intention.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
This is why, regardless of what kind of hell I
went through as a player under Bill Parcells, this is
the part that I appreciate about the man today and
I can call him and think him for it.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
He's going to keep it one hundred.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
You're going to know every step of the process how
he feels about you, so you don't have to think that.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
There's some charade parading. Oh May, we're gonna patch you
on your back. You're doing a great job.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Meanwhile they're plotting and planning to do something else. So
there's a lot of coaches who are upset about what
happened in New England more poorly, what's happening with the
jag the Jackson, the Jaguar Jaguars and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
because some of something's got to be done about this process,
because if it's not, then a lot of these coaches
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just going to say, you know what, with.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Why and try Well, that's what I wonder if that's
what it's going to take, is a refusal to interview
by biomass majority of minority coaches in an effort. I
don't know, we'll see we didn't break. Let's check out
with traffic with day Will Brian. It's been all right,
Nick Ferguson, Zack Seekers here's five six nine zeros text
(29:58):
and we're talking about this sham already rule interviews before
we have to break there, and you know it?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Is it bothers me? I don't know what the solution
is though.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I think the Rony rule is well intentioned when it
came out, but the teams are.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Making a mockery of it at this point.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Is is it more beneficial for minority candidates that have
no chance, no shot to take those interviews anyway and
get the exposure and the experience, or is that.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Is it would it be more.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Beneficial to boycott them when you know what the you
know what the situation is.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I think it's beneficial to just boycott them and not
do it at all, because I know the idea and
it said around the league a lot, especially with people
I know who've had those interviews that they wanted to
get in front of owners because ideas that in order
to be a head coach in the in the league
(30:51):
later down the line, you need to show that you
have been in front of individuals. But see there's a
downside of that too, Ben.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Why did you get the job? Right? Because now why
didn't you get the job?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
And then how many times are you going to go
through the interview process and not get the job. So
the public perception now becomes you can't interview, you don't
have the goods. There's something about you as the individual
as to why the owners decided not to hire you.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
And then we know how the league thinks. Right, Sometimes
it's one mind.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Not everyone is this way, but it's once track mind thinking. Well,
Ben has had four interviews over the past six years.
Ben has not inked the deal to be the leader
of an organization.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
What does that say about Ben?
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, that he can't seal the deal on a job,
even though he took four sham interviews just to get
the exposure in the experience.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
That's right, and I think I don't care what the
demographic of the coach or the GM. That is wrong
to put anyone through that process to build their hopes up.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Oh guess what now, I get my third interview.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Now, Ben, someone's gonna hire me this a third time.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Third time's a charm. But then it doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Right, Do not bring these coaches in if you know
that you are not going to hire them. It is
a slap in the face.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
It is it's a total it's total disrespect to the
utmost power to do that.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
To someone and I'm asking you, like specifically because I'm
not a minority, I'm a white guy. From theself, I'm
never gonna know what the minority experience is. I'm not
not on a personal level like that I can observe
it what other people go through that, I'm never gonna
know at a personal level with this. And so when
I ask that question to myself, my initial thought is
get the exposure.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Who knows what happens when you get the interview.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
But then I start to thinking about it, I'm like, man,
that's got to be so degrading. It is degrading, humiliating
to ship there for a job you know you're not
gonna get and think about the.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Love of preparation that goes into all your time was wash. Yes,
they're wasting your time. They know they're wasting your time.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yes, they're wasting your time having you come in and
do something because they want somebody else and the only
reason you're there is to check a box.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
They have you coming through the front door while the
person they really want to hire comes to the back door.
And for me, I would rather not be in that
position to degrade me and everything that I stand for
as a as a man, as a coach, as a leader,
for someone to bring me in just to sit there,
(33:25):
ask me questions, to try to find try to pick
my brain as far as how I operate, just in
case we happen to play them. They got their little
book at the end of the reformation, you're giving them
your best for them to take and use that against you.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Probably that's some sauce. That's a bunch of couch ships.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I would rather not have the interview opposed to you
have me to come in.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
No, and I get it.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Individuals could have their mind up as far as what
they want to do.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
If that is the case, go ahead and do that,
And that's that's for us. See, that's the part recom
down this.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
You've got to be a better way to do this,
because at the end of the day, I don't feel
like I can tell somebody, well, you can't hire this
dude that you want because you didn't, you know, Like,
I feel like that's weird. But at the same time,
there's got to be a process to help help get
these guys too, because we've seen as people continue to
miss on coaches. I mean, seventy five percent of coaches
are turned over in four years anyway, right, So as
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they continue to miss on this process, and there are
great coaches that fall through the crash and then we
see them succeed on the places. Look at Eddy George
right down there at Tennessee State right now, like that's
not getting enough run.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
He's not going to get that chance on this level.
He's going to get an interview, yeah, check that box,
but he's not going to get an opportunity. And this
is the thing that pisses me off because when you
look at the HI recycle.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
This time, there were seven vacant jobs seven.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Most of them have been kind of filled except for
two Dallas and New Orleans, right.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
And other those are going to I guys too. Right
In those seven, only one minority has a job.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
And that's a going back to a team that drafted him.
So the league has to do something about this process.
And if I sound is the only really passionate about it,
you got doing right well. I want to get back
into this. We got Corbas Smith coming up.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
He's gonna tell us about his time cover Pete Carroll,
what we can expect with him now in the division
from up close and personal perspective. I want to get
back into this. We'll get back in this a little
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
That's relief too.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Three three one zero zero. Big news day around the NFL.
The Jaguars officially get the Liam Cohen thing done. Pete
Carroll takes the Las Vegas Raiders job. You listen to
this show, you were definitely not surprised by that.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Nick. How you doing, man, I'm doing well.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
And the AFC wes just got that much more interesting.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It did.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
The AFC West now sponsored by the earlier Bird special
at Cracker Barrel. The youngest head coach in the AFC
West is now Sean Payton at sixty one years old.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
He is eight days younger than Jim Harball.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
To put that in perspective, the average age of the
NFC West he is forty years old, so a little
bit of a difference there. It did get better, and
that was the thing I was worried about when people
were talking about Ben Johnson and the Raiders job.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
The one thing I said was.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Look, I'm I'm worried about Pete Carroll, not Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Ben Johnson's unknown commodity. I don't know what he's as
head coach. I've seen what he is in OC. You
got a team with no quarterback, and I don't know
what I think about him. There, Pete Carroll is instantly
going to make the Raiders better.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
They might not win Super Bowls, but they're gonna be better.
And so now all of a sudden, you don't have
any give.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Me games in the AFC West.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
No, as they would say, gimme is what got you here?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
And when you look at Pete Carroll.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
The first thing I thought about it because once again
you brought it up on the show, you mentioned it.
I know you've been taking a lot of sleans and
kind of backlash, but to your credit, you're absolutely right.
And I like this for so many reasons because it
makes this this kind of division really exciting. And for
(02:04):
me when I merely go back to what people were saying,
and you mentioned it at the very beginning, talking about
Pete Carroll's age. He is the oldest coach in the
NFL at seventy three years young. But here's the difference.
He's seventy three going on fifty five. Okay, exactly Like
if you were to look at Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll
and Andy Reid and put him side by side to
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try to guess their age, I don't believe he would
have been able to guess. Pete Carroll is seventy three,
and you think about Andy Reid, who's sixty six.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
He looks Andy looks older than he really is.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
And I can say this because I've had the distinct
pleasure to be around Pete Carroll when Dan Quinn was
there as their defensive coordinator and to see the environment.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Ben.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I had to tell you, Man, I was a little jealous.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I say, man, I got to be a.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Part of that, because this was right after the Broncos
loss to the Seahawks and met life. I call Seattle,
call my dudes, my people, and say, look, I want
to come to Seattle and understand the culture, to understand
what it is. And how is it that Pete doesn't
(03:16):
yell at his coaches, doesn't yell at his players on
the field in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
You've never seen Pete Carrow do that.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
So why is it that he's able to get the
most out of his players? And oh, by the way,
how in hell did he have control of these in
the boom the way that he did.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
He understands people, he does, and some of that is
understanding personality types.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
By the way, is this perfect segue to that I.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Took the NFL's psychiatric Personality Assessment.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, I got the results. We can go over those
a little later in the show. But I took it.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
The one they're giving out to the Shrine game right
now is trying to get into the.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Combine all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
But I took the new personality assessment as far as
that kind of stuff goes.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So I'll read off some of this up we letter.
You guys can tell me how accurate you think it is.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Some of it, I know, we do get Dave Temper
in here because some of it I know, as somebody
who has to matisfy my personality knows that.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I don't even need to know results.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
All of it is, at least some of it is not.
Some of it all of it is true. Well, we'll see.
I there's some things I sort of disagreed with a
little bit. I'm sure you did. Well. No, it's not
like a negative positive thing.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
It's just like the areas that they think that I
need to be spoken to, or the way that I
need to be communicated with, or to maximize me. And
I'm kind of like, I disagree with that one a
little bit. But there was something that I thought we're
pretty spot on. It is a really easy assessment. Didn't
take me long. So we'll get it. We'll get an
opportunity to go over that a.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Little bit later in the show as well, just for
some funds. He's here.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
We got Corvett Smith going to join us seven o'clock.
He uh was on the beat covered Pete Carroll a
tendancyattle for years uh and has a has a good
relationship with Pete, and so we'll get a chance to
talk to him about what it is that we're really
getting in the division here as well. You know, Nick,
we've we've had this cats and dogs thing for a
couple of days. You say the thing you sent me
the other day, Yes.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Zach, are you Are you a cat person or a
dog person? Dog person? Dog person? Okay? And you say
that as a person.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
When I say that, you mean that as a pet,
you would rather have a dog than a cat.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, okay, because we all know where a good friend
Bree is definitely a cat person.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yes, right, in that sense you mean cat like features.
Well yeah, really, actually, in that one always lands on
our feet, I'm a cat and a dog person. Well,
so here's the thing I was thinking about this because
you sent me that.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I was thinking about the other day, like, I'm definitely
a dog person in terms.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Of having a pet. I don't like cats. I love dogs.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
But then I get to thinking about that, I was like, well,
but if you applied that to me as a person,
I'm probably more like a cat than I am like
a dog.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
You know, I like to sleep.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Twenty hours a day. I get up and start belly
aching loudly for food. I'm calculating if you put me
on a table, I'm probably going to knock step off
of it.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
You want to be really you want to be really
delicate about what you're saying. Because as I sit here
and listen to you, the first thing that I heard
when he said, well you more you know, you say
your dog, but you're more like cat.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Like Tennessee's I don't want the cats because I don't
want the competition.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
See see but once again just like visiting. All right,
but here's the thing. See cats they looked seisty, like
you can't really trust them, like they're always potting on you.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Right, they don't do anything. They don't protect the house.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
They just eat, poop and lay down and in some
occasions they just scratch up your furniture.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Right, burglar bricks.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Into the house.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
He's showing the burglar rug where the goods are.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
So I don't want that guy, right, So let me
take the audience bag and Zach, if you haven't seen it,
I'll take you.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Let me say this scene for you.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
So I said, it been a video of where this
owner had a camera in the house and the dog
was trying to get more dog food when the dog
shouldn't have. So the dog knew where the food was,
knew exactly where the camera was.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
He went and moved the camera so he can go
get the food.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Guess what his buddy, the cat jumps off of the stand,
looks at the dog.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And moves the camera so the owner can see the dog.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Come on, man, I'm not out of your dry that's
drysnacy man.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I'm not saying that I'm a perfect one to one here,
but there are some definite cat like tendencies if you
know me so so that means that you you might
not be.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
A snitch, but you may have snitch like tendencies.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I'm not I'm gonna cover from a from a boy's
I I would say that as far as the rest
of it, because the difference bet to cat and God,
that cat and dogs is very similar.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
It's you know, it's his cats. No, they're not.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Well, I mean, I'll put you like this with with cats,
you know, you feed them, you give them attention, and
they think they're God.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
With a dog, you feed them and you give them attention,
they think you're God. That's why that man's best friend.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Right, So there are some cat like tendencies to me.
I'm not out there trying to snitch on anybody. I'm
not calculating like if I.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Were bigger, I would eat you. You know, like cats
seem to look you look in their eyes, and that's
kind of the feeling you get, you know, like if
I if I wasn't just sized, it would eat you.
You know what. See, I'm a cat and dog person.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Well look at it in this viewpoint right for you,
Zach and the listeners like if we were living in
a post a pocketalyptic type of area. I get that
you want your dog or you want your cat, because
your dog is going to give you a sense of
when danger is around.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I always said this cat, I want a dog. The
dog is don't sacrifice himself.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
The cat.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
You got to sacrifice yourself exactly. See, that's why I'm
more like a cat. But I would have a dog
as a pet.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yes, that's why.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Because I'm telling you right now, if I'm not the
fastest in the group, I got a gun and you
got a legacy.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Hey, hey, listen, zobies are chasing this, Zach, you may
get caught. Well, no, you mean it's not gonna be me.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I gotta strong need to survive.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And see for me, I take this thing full circle
because I was watching The Quiet Place, right, I think
that the day one and one of the main actresses
in the movie she's trying to save this damn CA.
I'm like, no, man, I'm not sacrificing myself. Hey, I
thought you had nine lives, so you got to use
all of them. I'm not getting involved.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I only got one.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
You don't want something that's just gonna yow, like something
that doesn't understand.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Like be quiet is kind of a deal.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yes, in a movie called The Quiet Place, the cat
needs to set up. See the dog. When you talk
to the dog and you give the dog the looking
your point, dogs say not that he laid down. Man,
the ears go back.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
He lays down. Cat, give you up. That's what saying
for a pet. I would have a dog. But if
I had to compare.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
What what animal I'm closest to, I'm just saying probably
closer to a capital.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Said like tendency five six six nine zeros text line. Yeah,
I mean a little bit of that. We'll see. It's
about it being a good news day around the NFL.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
It is I may or may not be taking victory
laps with the coaching staff, so you.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
May or may not. I mean, everybody knows that I
am the idea of you.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Mentioning it is starting your first step of taking your
victory life.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Well, look, I was gonna be humble, but why.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Well that's not in your I tried being humbled.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I tried being humbled.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, it's just it's funny like It's one of those
things where I get and the reason that I do
that is just because of the unbearably ignorant blast of
nonsense that I get on uh, you know, social media
all the time. Dude, if you're a failed comedian, don't
sit there and critique my career. Okay, I'm just saying,
and I think you know who I'm talking about, But anyway,
I'm just saying, if you're if you're a failed comedian,
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don't sit there and take shots at me.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
We're going they'll be talking on mine. No no, no, no, no,
no no no. We're not gonna do that. We are
not going to do that. All right.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
We keep it real, We keep it really honest with
one another. If you want to tell me off, I
won't tell you're off air. Okay, I'm trying to give
this guys. You know this guy can't get it run
anyway I'm say, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Mean, listen, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
It's funny to me the difference between people around the
league when they talk to me and people on you know,
and these kind of people that you know they talk to.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Me, because like when I'm on, when I'm on, you know,
when I want.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
To talk to people around the league. It's just like, yeah, man,
I appreciate you. You know, you always with the info
and all that kind of stuff, and you know, and
that kind of stuff, and then you get on Twitter,
you know, and it's just it's funny how the league
laughs at those guys.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
The only laugh that guy ever gets, by the way.
But it's it's funny how it's funny.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
How I'm just saying, like, it's it's just weird to me.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
How help like, dude, like, find someone else when your
wife went on a podcast and lied about me, Like
it goes somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
You're desperate for attention. Everybody knows it's still somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
See, as you tell the story, I wanted to continue
to keep you talking because as you do this, I'm
trying to figure out the.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Person, but you keep dropping easter eggs.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I just want to make sure this person definitely knows
what make sure they know who I'm taking a dump.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, and everybody Broncos Country knows who I'm taking a
dump on. Well, since I don't know, help me out.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I'm not saying her name out loud, say their names,
say their name.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
No, I got them that you know, you.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Know what, you know what, I take that back, don't
say their name, don't give them any credit or their
their name on the airwaves.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I'm not trying to I'm not trying to give these
guys right, like give me like that.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
So either you gonna see them as the precursor to
opening mic night on Monday at the Comedy Works or whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
But anyway, besides that part aside, I'm just like, it's
funny the difference between talking to actual people in the
league and then weirdos on twitters.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
It's just why it's a wild.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
So that's why I do stuff like this and take
these victory laps because I'm like, bro, you don't even
know what you don't know, Okay, even though.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
They don't know, they don't know, and you know, we're
not gonna say their name for you know, obvious reasons. Well,
let's talk about the actual situation itself, the idea of
the coaches who are now to be head coaches in
this league when there was this whole idea of shuffling
the deck and is figuring out who's gonna be whaere
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each coach who landed a job and your mind landed
the perfect spot for them.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I think they landed at the spot they felt was
perfect for them. Aaron Glenn, you know, I think he
took a look at a long look at New Orleans.
But in the end, you don't have you're in cap hell.
You're going to have to cut Eric Carr with a
post June one.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
So means you don't have the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
And so if you've got two situations where you're probably
cutting the quarterback between Aaron Rodgers and Derek Carr, then
you're looking at the available assets that you've got to rebuild.
The Jets will have cap space, the Jets have flexibility.
The Jets have good draft picks they got. The Saints don't.
They don't have any cap flexibility, they don't have all
that kind of stuff. And so at the end of
the day, I think Aaron Glenn looked at that and said, Okay,
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I'm gonna choose the New York Jets. Ben Johnson looked
at the situations that he had there. You know, they've
got the quarterback. Really what they need in Chicago's offensive line,
something that he helped build in Detroit. Also, you look
at the divisions and you've got you know the AFC West,
which is a murderer's row, And people would probably say
that about the NFC North except the.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Detroit Lens are losing all their coaches.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
The Minnesota Vikings are going to be starting a rookie quarterback,
second year guy, but first type starter in J. J.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
McCarthy, and green May was just kind of middle of
the road.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
So the NFC North is is probably going to take
a step back here, and why not the Bears to
take off in that situation. They've got a pre build defense,
you got the you think, you get the quarterback, and
you build the offensive line. So I think Ben Johnson
looked at that and he found what he wanted. I
think Pete Carroll found the right organization. It was them
or Dallas, you know that would let him be him,
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let him come in and be him. And even if
it is a tough division, you know he's going to
make the Raiders better.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
That's certainly that's going to be a thing.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Uh. And then you know Liam Cohen, you know he's
getting full control there in Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
They got the quarterback in Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
So I think that for each of these guys, I
think they got into positions that they feel.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Are perfect for them.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I had not even touched on Mike Vrabel because that's obvious,
but you know, you know, I mean, that's that's what
that is.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Here's the difference between irregular Situation and Liam Cohn. I mean,
there's a lot of the there's a lot to impact
with Lee and and I'm sure we definitely get into it.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
But Shai Kam was willing to.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Fire Trent Bawki when it was said that he wasn't
after parting ways with Doug Pretercer.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
But from what I'm from what I'm reading is that
when Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Interviewed down in New Orleans, there was someone of like
a contingency plant something that he wanted, right, I would
become your next head coach if you do this, And
that was allowing him to take part in hiring his
own GM and being part of the process because let
(15:41):
me kind of pull the curtain backs of people to
understand this. Sometimes head coaches get jobs and they are
not in a position where they are able to pick
their coaching staff or their players.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
New flash that is a real thing has.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Happened in the league quite a bit, quite a bit,
and that is something that AG did not want. So
that meant that, hey, you want me here, do you
got a fire?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You know, Mickey Micky Lewis, when they were not going
to do that, they were not going to do it.
So he said, moving on up to new he might
wind up with Broncos Derek Muji up there, we'll see.
That's you know, I.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Mean, but that's what he wanted. He wanted to make
sure that he had an opportunity to be a part
of the process of picking a guy who was going
to help determine success on the field. And I think
for me, I said, it's always a good thing where
you are working in concert with someone else. You know,
you may just you may have differences, but can we agree.
We're trying to make the team better. So I hope
(16:39):
that works out for AG. Hope it works out.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
For Lean Colin.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
It's been a thing where a recent trend where coaches
are picking the general manager a lot now, you know.
I mean, it kind of started with the Broncos and
Vic Fangio.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
That sings blacks, doesn't it. I mean sort of because
it's the way it was always done.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
But the reality is, I mean, if you think about it,
you want somebody who's in line with your vision of
what you want to do. You want somebody who understands
the game the same way you do. Somebody you can
have a good, real working relationship with instead of an
ego fest battle where the general managers like I got
the ingredients of the coaches like yeah, but I make the.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Cake, you know, And you know, I think you want somebody.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
A collaborative working environment and maybe one of the better
ways to accomplish that as we evolve the hiring practices
there in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
So, you know, good for age. I hope it works
out for most of these guys.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I think got input at least on that. Ben Johnson
didn't get input on that. In fact, he traded that
he could have had input with the Raiders although they
wanted John Spi Tech.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Instead, he goes with Brian Poles, who's already hired by
the Bears, and you know, and Settle was there. So
Ben Johnson is in.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
When you look at the landscape right now, there's still
are two jobs open Dallas in New Orleans. But for
the guys who have already signed or imprinciple are head
coaches of new teams. I gotta say I like Ben
Johnson's position the best, not just because of other teams
(18:01):
in the division. I'm just looking from a roster standpoint,
personnel standpoint.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I mean, you got a good.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Defense, some pieces on defense, and boy do you have
some weapons on offense. For the creative mind that we've
seen Ben Johnson that helped catapult him to this position.
Looking at Chicago, I dare to say in twenty twenty
five that where Washington is right now, I would say
(18:32):
maybe the Chicago Bears are next year this.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Time could be, I would say that they're probably in
position to be that. I'm looking forward to, looking forward
to seeing what they do there this offseason to get
there real quick for you gotta hit the break. One
other thing that I talked about Darren Mougie possibly going
to the Jets. One of the most hilarious things I've
seen going in Broncos country right now is there is
somehow this effort to rewrite Darren Mugie's ethnicity in an
(18:57):
effort and an attempt to get to compensation draft compensatory
draft picks. I'm sorrybody edited his Wikipedia page to make
him Darren Muhammad.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Uh Darren Muhammad.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, or whatever it was anyway, and tried to try
to pretend that he was a minority in an effort
to get, uh see if they could get draft picks
out of There's a whole concerted effort on Twitter, photoshop pictures,
all this kind of stuff. Darren Moosey's real name, middle
name is Webster.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Uh, they couldn't get any more any less of a
minority middle name than than probably that. But it was
it's certainly hilarious that you're watching some of Broncos countries.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I kept getting questions about this today, like people believed it.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Do the Broncos get competitory picks if the Jets?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
And I'm like, no, Like, Darren Mooch is the whitest
guy you've ever seen. He has the whitest middle name
you've ever seen. And yeah, anyway, so somebody edited his Wikipedia.
They've edited back sense, but somebody edited his Wikipedia page
yesterday and had all the stuff going trying to try
to fake this thing. I just appreciate Broncos Country's effort
to try to improve the Broncos, but guys, let's uh,
let's edit people's Wikipedia pages are Broncos Country And I'm
(19:58):
back at this five six, six, nine zeros and text line.
We'll get back to that in just a moment. So
breaking news. It appears the according to multiple reports out there,
the Colorado Avalanche are trading Nico Rantonan to the Carolina Hurricanes.
We don't have officially what they're getting back yet.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Looks like a three team trade.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
And we don't officially have what they're getting back yet
in that deal, but.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I will say that it does. It does look like.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Any c as Martin Nachus, I believe how you pronounce it,
I believe yes is possibly coming here. He's got fifty
five points in forty nine games, he's a center, looks
like he's coming back, and according to reports, it looks like. Yeah,
it looks like the Avs are remaking their entire top
six with a move like this. So fascinating stuff there.
We'll keep you updated once we have, once we have more.
(20:59):
Apparently he's played right wing for three weeks for three
years now, but he's played center back before that.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
So interesting that.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Interesting as far as this goes, this is certainly a
surprise to people.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Well, Ben, I'll say this.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
When you look at the points leader in the NHL,
that is Nathan McKinnon and five slots down as Miko
Ranton and at sixty four because McKinnon has seventy five
and you have to figure the trade deadline is in
March and the Avs we're trying to figure out ways
(21:35):
to bring Mika Ranton in back. But it's the same
thing we see in every sport.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
It's money. And you had to figure that.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Rantonen was looking to get paid because he's in the
final year of his deal and I think he wants
like maybe like fourteen million dollars or something like that
a year, and I don't think that the were willing
to do that.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
And so look to Ranton is credit for me.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
If you don't ask for the money and you don't
play like you earn it you've earned it, then they're
not going to give it to you.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
But I can see the idea on both sides. He
wants to get paid.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
It's almost like, think about it, the situation that Miami
is going through with Jimmy Butler, but without the headache
from Jimmy Butler. So Ranton is not being somewhat of
a headache in an ABS organization. But he's like, pay
me what I'm worth and they're like, well, see what
had happened was And I guess they figures out the
(22:37):
person that they're adding still gives them value, still keeps
them in contention. But if you are an ABS fan, man,
you have to be a little upset right now by
hearing this news that Mika Ranton in the three team
trade and I.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Think he's out of here. Yeah, it's it's interesting. I mean,
Miko's coming off two straight hundred point seasons. You know,
it's it's it's weird because there's a lot of people.
A lot of the reaction here is on Miko demanding
having more than Nathan McKinnon, that he wanted more and Nathan.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Mc what more do you want to Nathan McKinnon.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I mean, McKinnon's a perennial MVP in the in the
National Hockey League. So getting Netch's back is apparently a
pretty pretty big deal. Although the people that I'm looking
at right now are saying they don't believe that the
ADS are done. They think there are more moves here
to come, that they're going to remake their their you know,
their top six.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
So that's gonna be a fascinating night. Buckle up, we'll see,
we'll see if the ads make any more moves as best.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, we don't just talk a lot of hockey on
the show, but get to talk a little bit tonight
for a second.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
So we'll we'll see, we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
But anyway, the breaking news is that the Avalanche are
trading NKO Randon away, So we'll see again with the
final compensation on that deal is and it looks like
it's a three way deal to make that work.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Five six six nine zero is the text line.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Talked a little bit about some of these coaching maneuvers again,
Pete Carroll joining the Las Vegas Raiders. H if you
listen to this show for then apreciable amount of time,
you knew that was coming. Liam Cohen to Jacksonville, he
also knew that was coming. That whole saga that transpired
yesterday was certainly fascinating as Oh that's what that's.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
What you're gonna call it, Well.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Fascinating, I'm gonna I'm gonna say fascinating it tell I'm.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Sure we could not alden the radio friendly part of
the reason that Liam Cohen went radio silence on Tampa
in the morning after Tampa had after Jacksonville had.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Real he had a personal issue. Right, that's well, I
think the one is Jacksonville had a personal issue. Yeah,
we'll get to that. Liam told his employers that he
was with his son.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
He never left Jacksonville, but he told him he was
with his son there in Tampa to doctors, which was
not true.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
His son wasn't the doctors with his mother. Uh. But
but Liam was not there.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
The reason that he had to go radio silent is
because Jacksonville hadn't completed their Rooney Rule and interview they
did with Patrick Graham. They held a sham interview with
Patrick Graham sold well solid didn't go solid.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
He was supposed to he was supposed to it.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
He shot him both burls, both purls uh and said
no thanks and was taking the DC job there in
uh in San Francisco, the Talo would have been the
head coach if Trent Bulkey had stay. But Patrick Graham
was there for a sham interview for the Rooney Rule
and Liam Cohen had to go sit in a restaurant
(25:34):
for a couple hours while they did this phony interview
with the guy they had no intention of hiring whatsoever,
So they could satisfy the Rudy rules and then reinterviewed
Liam Cohen in the afternoons.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Oh had it's garbage. It absolutely stinks.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
And what Rooney tried to do by getting the league
to implement the Rooney Rule to give minority coaches an opportunity,
it's almost as though you see a lot of these
teams so they're spinning on it.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
What we saw the New England Patriots with their sham oh,
don't give me start, don't started.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
A minute, yes, and Hamilton they have no intention of
hiring and signed Grod.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Mayo was one of your own, just for one year,
only to fire him.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
A year late.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Well, they were contractually obligated to hire Mayo because of
the contract that he had. He was hit coach and
waiting in his contracts, so they were contractually obligated to
do that last year.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
It still doesn't make a difference because the situation that
Mayo was in.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
You got Drake may as a rookie.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
It was untenable. You weren't gonna wait everybody down New
England was gonna win last year.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
But then you go, oh man, you know what, you
didn't win. Now we gotta fire you, and I think.
I mean, there were elements where Gerard was in over
his head.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
You can't, as the head coach, say you're going to
suspend a player in Ramondra Stevenson for the game for
our conduct and and it whi's decision. And then fifteen
minutes later he's starting the game and you didn't suspend him,
Like there were there were things that happened.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
That Yeah, okay, Ben, you're not saying that's I want
to say that.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
You were saying that the reason that was okay, that
was the reason.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
No, No, I'm saying is a head coach, you can't
have that happen. It's embarrassing. But you know, there's there's
there's a lot going on here in several of these
and and the problem is, like I think the Rooney
Rule is great in it's in its intention, I think
it's great. I think it's great to get guys and
put them in front of head coaches and mandate those
interviews so that guys get you know, at worst, you
(27:36):
get experience.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Okay, what's held in otherwise.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Okay, what's the use of getting the experience been if
the overall ideas that you're not going to be hired.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Anyway, Well, there's a butt coming and that's the butt.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
But the problem with this rule is is that you
get what's what has happened?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Now?
Speaker 1 (27:54):
You get guys they fly out there for a sham
interview that they have no intention of hiring whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
And what becomes the point? Now it becomes this thing
that everybody's just spitting on.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
They as they work around it in an effort to
get their guys, whether it's Jacksonville, whether it's New England.
The Raiders have done it before when they were hiring
John Gruden. I mean, it's I mean, what are you doing.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It's one thing for someone to talk to you and
say something to you.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
And Aaron Glenn told the Patriots no because he knew.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
How far, Yes he knew, But for someone to have
you to believe something is going to work in your
favorite man being.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
You did a great interview, you did a.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Great job, and all that, you know, gassing you up
thinking that you got the opportunity, knowing all.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Along you had no intention. No, you had no intention.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
This is why, regardless of what kind of hell I
went through as a player under Bill Parcells, this is
the part that I appreciate about the man today and
I can call him and think him for it.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
He's going to keep it one hundred.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
You're going to know every step of the process how
he feels about you, so you don't have to think that.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
There's some charade parading. Oh May, we're gonna patch you
on your back. You're doing a great job.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Meanwhile they're plotting and planning to do something else. So
there's a lot of coaches who are upset about what
happened in New England more poorly, what's happening with the
jag the Jackson, the Jaguar Jaguars and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
because some of something's got to be done about this process,
because if it's not, then a lot of these coaches
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just going to say, you know what, with.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Why and try Well, that's what I wonder if that's
what it's going to take, is a refusal to interview
by biomass majority of minority coaches in an effort. I
don't know, we'll see we didn't break. Let's check out
with traffic with day Will Brian. It's been all right,
Nick Ferguson, Zack Seekers here's five six nine zeros text
(29:58):
and we're talking about this sham already rule interviews before
we have to break there, and you know it?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Is it bothers me? I don't know what the solution
is though.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I think the Rony rule is well intentioned when it
came out, but the teams are.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Making a mockery of it at this point.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Is is it more beneficial for minority candidates that have
no chance, no shot to take those interviews anyway and
get the exposure and the experience, or is that.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Is it would it be more.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Beneficial to boycott them when you know what the you
know what the situation is.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I think it's beneficial to just boycott them and not
do it at all, because I know the idea and
it said around the league a lot, especially with people
I know who've had those interviews that they wanted to
get in front of owners because ideas that in order
to be a head coach in the in the league
(30:51):
later down the line, you need to show that you
have been in front of individuals. But see there's a
downside of that too, Ben.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Why did you get the job? Right? Because now why
didn't you get the job?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
And then how many times are you going to go
through the interview process and not get the job. So
the public perception now becomes you can't interview, you don't
have the goods. There's something about you as the individual
as to why the owners decided not to hire you.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
And then we know how the league thinks. Right, Sometimes
it's one mind.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Not everyone is this way, but it's once track mind thinking. Well,
Ben has had four interviews over the past six years.
Ben has not inked the deal to be the leader
of an organization.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
What does that say about Ben?
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, that he can't seal the deal on a job,
even though he took four sham interviews just to get
the exposure in the experience.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
That's right, and I think I don't care what the
demographic of the coach or the GM. That is wrong
to put anyone through that process to build their hopes up.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Oh guess what now, I get my third interview.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Now, Ben, someone's gonna hire me this a third time.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Third time's a charm. But then it doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Right, Do not bring these coaches in if you know
that you are not going to hire them. It is
a slap in the face.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
It is it's a total it's total disrespect to the
utmost power to do that.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
To someone and I'm asking you, like specifically because I'm
not a minority, I'm a white guy. From theself, I'm
never gonna know what the minority experience is. I'm not
not on a personal level like that I can observe
it what other people go through that, I'm never gonna
know at a personal level with this. And so when
I ask that question to myself, my initial thought is
get the exposure.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Who knows what happens when you get the interview.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
But then I start to thinking about it, I'm like, man,
that's got to be so degrading. It is degrading, humiliating
to ship there for a job you know you're not
gonna get and think about the.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Love of preparation that goes into all your time was wash. Yes,
they're wasting your time. They know they're wasting your time.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yes, they're wasting your time having you come in and
do something because they want somebody else and the only
reason you're there is to check a box.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
They have you coming through the front door while the
person they really want to hire comes to the back door.
And for me, I would rather not be in that
position to degrade me and everything that I stand for
as a as a man, as a coach, as a leader,
for someone to bring me in just to sit there,
(33:25):
ask me questions, to try to find try to pick
my brain as far as how I operate, just in
case we happen to play them. They got their little
book at the end of the reformation, you're giving them
your best for them to take and use that against you.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Probably that's some sauce. That's a bunch of couch ships.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I would rather not have the interview opposed to you
have me to come in.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
No, and I get it.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Individuals could have their mind up as far as what
they want to do.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
If that is the case, go ahead and do that,
And that's that's for us. See, that's the part recom
down this.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
You've got to be a better way to do this,
because at the end of the day, I don't feel
like I can tell somebody, well, you can't hire this
dude that you want because you didn't, you know, Like,
I feel like that's weird. But at the same time,
there's got to be a process to help help get
these guys too, because we've seen as people continue to
miss on coaches. I mean, seventy five percent of coaches
are turned over in four years anyway, right, So as
(34:22):
they continue to miss on this process, and there are
great coaches that fall through the crash and then we
see them succeed on the places. Look at Eddy George
right down there at Tennessee State right now, like that's
not getting enough run.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
He's not going to get that chance on this level.
He's going to get an interview, yeah, check that box,
but he's not going to get an opportunity. And this
is the thing that pisses me off because when you
look at the HI recycle.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
This time, there were seven vacant jobs seven.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Most of them have been kind of filled except for
two Dallas and New Orleans, right.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
And other those are going to I guys too. Right
In those seven, only one minority has a job.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
And that's a going back to a team that drafted him.
So the league has to do something about this process.
And if I sound is the only really passionate about it,
you got doing right well. I want to get back
into this. We got Corbas Smith coming up.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
He's gonna tell us about his time cover Pete Carroll,
what we can expect with him now in the division
from up close and personal perspective. I want to get
back into this. We'll get back in this a little
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