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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Feeling it for Benjamin Albright here tonight alongside Nick Ferguson.
We're just talking about dinner in Moujie getting the promotion
to the New York Jets general manager job. And no, folks,
he the Broncos w and I be receiving third round
picks for him. That's not how the compository formula works.
And but there's a chance that Denver could maybe receive
a couple of third round picks if there's a promotion
for one player around.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Who's assistant coach.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
On the Broncos assistant special teams coordinator, Chris Banjo, who's
already interviewed for the forty nine ers best special Team's job.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I know they filled that today.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
He's got some interest from some other teams, and we'll see,
you know, if there's a team on the horizon, maybe
New York potentially where you know he used to play
as a dB and playing on special teams for uh
In orant to state it's when Glenn was a defensive backs.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Coach over there.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
If he does get a special teams coordinator job, obviously
Denver would receive that. But man Banjo, I've been so
impressed Nick with Banjo his transition from being a foreign
player and look, he played ten plus years in the NFL,
was a was a core four special teams. Guy did
a really good job of coming in right away as
a player, making that transition for being a player to
a coach, which that's kind of tough for first, right,
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one year year in the locker room is a player,
the next year you're a lot you're in the coaching
office as a coach. What you hear as a coach
versus what you don't hear when you're a player is
drastically different. I know for me, like the year after
I was done playing, I went straight into coaching and
I was like, wait.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
A minute, coaches talk like this about.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Players or talk to play like it's a different world,
my friend. But man, Banjos so dang deserving if he
gets a job.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Man, Yeah, he's definitely deserving, because it's rare that a
lot of players find themselves.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Coaching on the NFL teams, for one, but to.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Go right from the field of playing right into it,
you got to know the right people, but more apporting,
the right people.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Have to know you.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
But Chris Banjo has done a great job and without
being in a special team room. I can say that
because I know his mentor a guy who he he
actually played for New Orleans on special teams in Mike
Westaff and he coached under and Mike Westof. Mike Westof
was very though, and it was all about accountability. That's
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why when you look at the Broncos special teams and
how the unit has performed over the years, it's superior
opposed to what it was before, which why I was
shocked when Vincot Wicker was wasn't retained. And Chris Banjo,
like you said, he idea in View San Francisco. I
think he's supposed to have another one with the Dallas Cowboys.
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So I'm rooted for him to get.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
His opportunity because before we were talking.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
About Aaron Glenn. In order to get to a point
where Aaron is now, someone's.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Got to give you an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
And once you get in the building, you have to
make good on what you know how to do as
a player, and Chris Banjo has definitely done that. And
it comes down Cody to you know this to teaching.
That's what coaching is. If you look at the webs edictionary,
the first word to describe coaching should be teach or
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teaching in some particular way, because that's what you have
to do. But I'll say this, when you look at
Chris Banjo, you look at Johnny mo right, you look
at Darren Mogi, was it Declan Doyle? Yep, right, They're
all coming from the Denver Broncos. And you would think
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that the Denver Broncos were headed to New Orleans to
play in the Super Bowl, right, based on how their
coaching staff is being rated.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
But here's what it does say.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
It is a testament to the culture that they said
that the Penner said that they wanted to rebuild. And
it's a testament to both Sean Payton and George Payton
that people are now coming to.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Your team to raise your coaching roster and you are
not in your playing in the during Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, that says a lot. It's a good thing. And
that's something that Sean told us to at the end
of the year. You know, he always goes.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Back to the story you know they had when he
was talking with you know, Benson lad Owner over there
the New Orleans Saints about it.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Why are all these teams interviewing.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Our coaches like his in the best he said, if
they're not getting interviews, that's a bad thing, right, which
I find a little odd that Kansas City, how many
of their coaches keep getting like you don't hear about
them getting coaches, you know, interviews. I know, like Steve
Spagnoll's interviewed for some head coaching jobs in the last
couple of years. We know he's the guy in waiting
when Andy Reid decides to step away. They've two obviously
a tremendous special teams coach down there was like a
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few years ago getting some head coaching interviews. Not necessarily,
maybe he just wants to stay in Casey. But like
for Denver, you lose Declan Doyle twenty years old. He's
younger than me, which is crazy to think about. Now
the offensive coordinator over there, Hey, I should have not
do it a little earlier, like, hey, I'm available defensive
back and sol we'll see what that is. But no,
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you know, you see guys like that, like Decan Doyle
gets an opportunity, you know, tied end coach for the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Here's the thing people are going to look at, Well,
the Broncos tight end.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Room didn't really do much as that's not necessarily a
reflection on the type of coach that Decklan Doyle is.
You know from players that I've spoken to, they love Doyle. Obviously,
Sean Payton values do it because he was on Peyton's
staff from twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
He was with Peyton from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
He was with Dennis Allen in that twenty twenty two
season before reuniting with Sewn and for the past two seasons.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Obviously here in Denver, a young offensive mine who learns
a lot, and certainly you have a lot of.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Different responsibilities that are put on your plate as a
young guy. You know, position coaches not just hey, you're
going to coach tight ends. It's hey, you know you're
gonna assist with this. You know you're gonna drop some plays,
You're gonna put it in this program.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Like, there's a lot of graduate.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Assistant and responsibilities also come with some of those things
that some of those senior offensive guys get. But the
oil goes there to Chicago, he's gonna be the OC
by title, not gonna call plays.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
It's gonna be Ben Johnson calling the plays.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
But now the Broncos are actually in danger, and it
all signs appear that they're gonna lose Johnny mo as
the players call him, passagive corner or John Morton.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Who's he going to? I have talked about tense.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
He coaches the guys really, really hard. He was a
passing quarter for Detroit lines a few years ago. Now
he's got an opportunity. All signs point to him being
the you know, the new occene now they're to replace
Ben Johnson in Detroit.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Yeah, that's that's always great, man.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
When you lose coaches to go to different places, it
says a lot about your coaching development that you are
bringing in guys, you're bringing them along.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
But obviously every.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Coaching staff would love for every single guy to say,
but at some point you have to branch off and
do your own thing.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
And it is for me.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
It's a testament of how the Broncos are actually evaluating.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
But also the relationships. I mean the fact that Declan.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Doyle came from the New Orleans Saints with Sean Payton,
that tells you about their relationship. What did he learn
over the years from Sean Payton which would allow him
to go in and implement Ben Johnson's system. And like
you said, well, Devlan's not going to be calling plays
because I think those those play calling.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Duties will still go to Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
But you have an opportunity to learn football from two
different sets of minds and then develop your own scheme
or mixture of that whenever he gets that opportunity. But
it's great to have that title as OC as I've
seen in the NFL, because even if you're not calling plays,
if you have the title of OC, when that next
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hirocycle comes.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Around, guess what you're on the radar, just like Bobby.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Smock was, Yeah, and Joe Brady. And it's crazy how
much it can change in a moment. Notice all takes
is one game or a stretch of a couple of weeks,
and it changes everything. The temperature in the NFL, right,
you always say it's not for long one. I mean,
so is the temperature in terms of the coaching cycle there. Obviously,
you know wal up Dachiv obviously if Johnny Mo ends
up there. You know, we talked about Chris Banjo, one
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Broncos coach announced that he is staying after having some offers.
You know, some teams interested in him being a defensive
coordinator this year. Defensive backs coach Jim Leonard is staying
as the DB's coach here in Denver, with Vance Joseph
obviously on Peyton's staff. I know there are a couple
of teams. I think the Colts had interest in him
at one point. Obviously Dave now filled that. I even
think I'm not sure I saw something that Clemson at
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college level was interested in.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Leonard obviously very smart defensive mind.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Out of all these names here right that we've talked about,
who do you think is the biggest loss for the
Broncos and all.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
The coaches right now who are on staff.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Who do you think would be the biggest loss if
poach for a promotion for another team.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I'll give you mind here.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I think if Davis Webb, who's gotten some interest in.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
The cycle, I'd be worried if he got poached a.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Little bit because I think he has been monumental to
that QB room and you want to keep a little
bit of that continuity going there.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
You know, I will say that is true because the
one person who is around the quarterback the most is
the quarterbacks coach.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
He knows that guy inside.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
And out, even though Sean Payton being a former quarterback
in his own right developing the scheme and Joe Brady
being there, Davis Webb is very important because when things
don't go right with Bow next to any other quarterback
and someone's getting yelled and the scream that it is
Web's job to keep that guy calm, make sure that
he gets Hey, listen, man, I know what's going on.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Exactly, and that's what you want.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Someone who was able to step in and have the
respect all that officer coordinated, but also to show that
player I got your back too, which in a lot
of cases, I can tell you in the ranks of coaching,
that's not how it always happens.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Everyone's trying to save their own backside.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
But the see Web in that particular situation step up
for Bow. That was really important, especially for the confidence
of Bo. But you know, when we look at the
other guys on the staff that you losing and I'm
glad that Vance Joseph is coming back, because I was
wondering if Vance was poached by someone else to be
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their head coach, what would happen to the d Obviously
Jim Leonard would step in. Whether you're thinking Okay, well
are you would you hit on those same cylinders that
you were hitting in the previous year.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Maybe so.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
But I still think based on what Vance was able
to do, the connection he has with his players and
vice versa, if you were to lose that, and not saying.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Once again that I don't think that.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Jim Leonard could step in and have that same connection.
But looking at what Vance had done over the past
season to get sixty.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Three sacks, man, you know how crazy that is. Well,
they played Buffalo. Buffalo only had thirty six on the season.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, and they were the least sacked team and Denver
was able to get sacks in that game on gosh Allen.
So I mean, it is a testament you can get
to the quarterback. I think it ever makes a couple
moves here this offseason. I think linebacker probably being the
biggest one. I think it changes the complexity of that
defense a little bit for the better.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And look at Vance were to leave, if Leonard.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Were a step in. You know, Leonard obviously a very
smart defense mind. What he did at Wisconsin when he
was there was absolutely incredible. What you call like the
flow of the game. He may call it entirely different
than Dvance does. Right, he may have different philosophy, so
it's like, how do you bridge that gap? If that
was the case, We're not gonna have to worry about
that right now unless New Orleans comes in and says, hey,
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we want to INTERVIEWVNGCH Joseph for this job. I mean,
that job right now is surprised that it's the only
one that's opening.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
It's still opening in yours. Also, the way that I
look at these situations when you start talking about coaches
moving around and you're mentioned in Kansas City and we
look at the coaches who could have left but decided
to stay. And usually when that happens is that you're
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realizing there's something special and the place that you are
at that particular moment. And obviously teams can tweak, you know,
salaries here and there, but you recognize that there's something there,
so you don't want to leave. And a lot of
teams have been that way within I've had coaches that
saved with the organization for years. I remember when I
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played for Denver Broncos, Bobby Turner, the runner back coach, right,
I mean, it's almost like he was a Shenny hand Lifer,
like everywhere Mike Win he was there, and hell he
was with he's still with the forty nine ers. And
it looked like for a moment that he was going
to retire and Anthony Linn was going to step in.
But somehow, you know, just like in the mobster movie
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The Godfather, He's like.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Every time I tried to get out, they pulled me
back in. Right. So it's that type of environment.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
When you were around a certain coaching staff in the
organization that you feel as though you have more, you
have more to give. So I mean kudos to a
lot of those guys who are still on the coaching
staff for those who now are moving on to different teams. Man,
I wish all those guys good luck. But also provides
an opportunity to elevate other people within an organization.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, and I think, well, let's say Johnny Mo gets
the OSHI job in Detrie. That's right, you know, Okay,
the Morocos, They're not gonna have an opening for a
pass game corner. In my opinion, this is where Davis
Webb takes the next step right in house.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
He gets that, and.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Maybe Logan Kilgore, who's a senior offensive assistant right now
here for obviously for the team offensive coach. Maybe he
gets up to quarterback coach because he did work with
Arch Spanning like he's got a.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Good offensive mine. He's the young guy, very smart.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
That's where you start to see your tree grow a
little bit a little bit and you get these opportunities
to expand. Or maybe Davis holds the title of QB
coach and passing game coordinator right Jim Leonard's the DVS
coach in a passing game coordinator.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
That's a lot on your plate, man, But Davis seems
like a guy who prepares for it right in terms
of he kept a scouting report of every game he's
ever played, dating back to high school, college, NFL level
detailed reports and that's what really was.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
The allure for Sean Payton to hire him as the
QB coach. That move is paid off really well. But
you have a chance to move guys within. Now here's
where the challenge is. You bring in a guy from
the outside. There's a lot of pressure on that guy
because everyone else.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Has been there.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Now you have to kind of get with the system
and you have to kind of get into wear what
Sean wants and you don't want different languages amongst your coach.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You want the message to be the same.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah, but I don't think that guys should be ruled
out because they haven't been a part.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Of this particular system, because they got.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
To be the right fit.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Okay, well, once again, what defines fit? Say? We got
to discuss that. What truly defines fit? Cody?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
What does I mean? We'll discuss that. And also, well,
well here from Dell Sanders what it means to be dominant?
Plus NFL new head coach is saying some interesting things.
Makes you wonder could you walk it back there?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Wilight that obviously as a scene in Jacksonville when we
get back here on Broncos Country now KAA.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Eight fifty ninety four one FM. Do you remember about
your draft?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
We weren't gonna be broke no more. That was it.
We weren't gonna be broke no more.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
And my mother would not have to work another day
of her life and life would never be the same,
That's what I remember.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
But I wanted to be the greatest. It wasn't about
the money.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
It was about being the greatest and being dominant, because
when you're the greatest, and you're dominant, and you perfect
your craft, the money's gonna find you. You don't ever
have to chase money. When you perfect your craft, you
supposed to clap right there.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Deon Sanders on the Stephen Colbert Show last night talking
about what it means to be dominant, and certainly Dion
was dominant when he was a player. I mean, we're
getting ready to talk about NFL Defensive Player of the Year,
which is coming up.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Passer Tan.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
If he wins it has a chance to join to
be the seventh defensive back in that group where Diyon
in nineteen ninety four he was in that category.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Rod Woodson, nol Blunt.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I mean, I tell you what if Stefan Gilmore's went nineteen.
I mean, but he's not wrong. You dominate, you also
get set up for a payday. Passer Tan, this season
he dominated, he himself a nice little.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Well, yeah, very true.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
But I would have to say not every player looks
at things in that way. I can't speak for any
other sport, but I can speak and attest to things
that I've seen as a coach and the player playing
in the NFL is because some.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Guys are just happy to just be there. Mama made it.
I got it in uniform. That gave me a locker.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
You gotta take a team picture.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Yes, yeah, you know, see me right there. You'll get
a chance of circling.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
But there are other guys who are saying, you know what, Yeah,
I didn't come into this league the way that I
wanted to.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Yeah, that someone not draft me. They're in the right spot.
Like Aman Saint Brown who plays for the Detroit Lions.
He still has a list of those guys right who
was drafted ahead of him, who are not playing and
performing at a high level that he is. But the
ideas that you have to dominate every time that you
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take the field. But I will say this, and I
know Coach Prime definitely deals with it. When you are
the caliber player.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
That Dion was coming out of high school, going to
Florida State, coming out of Florida State, getting prepared to
go to the league. He always had that cachet, that
swag about himself. And when you watch him at CU
as I watched him over the past two seasons, when
his players don't perform in a certain way, he takes
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it personal, almost like he wants to go out there
and he wants to do it even.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Though that he can't do it.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
And that is one of the things that becomes really
difficult for you as a coach that you see things
in your player you want them to do that they
don't do. But the idea is that every time you
touch the field is an opportunity for you to get better,
but it's an opportunity for you to dominate your opponent,
even if that means Cody, your very own teammate.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, I mean that's what that's what training camps for, right.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I don't know how many times we've been, Like back
when I was coach, we even we emphasize that message
acause you had a lot of guys as mentioned, guys
are just happy to be there. We ended up holding
off on like when we do team pictures. You want
to know why the lot there's a lot of the players,
like the players who didn't want to be They're the
players who didn't want to compete and be dominant. They
just wanted to have their picture up saying hey, I
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was on this team, and the reality is that you
actually weren't. You know, it's the team picture. Stop showing
with the practice you quit like that that was one
of those things. But obviously that's the mentality you want
in a lot of your different locker rooms. But uh,
you know, speaking of being dominant, I feel like you
can give off the perception of hey, you better be dominant,
especially if you say the wrong things.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Jacksonville Jaguars introduced their brand.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
New head coach here today, Liam Cohen, and obviously the
timeline for that he was returning to the Tampa Bay
Buccaneers as the ROC. The Jaguars fire Trent Balky, and
then that opportunity to opened up for him. One of
those moments we haven't seen quite some time since Adam Gase.
Just a weird press conference. We got the audio here. Uh,
you give us your thoughts, dude.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I mean that sounds forced.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I knowing a lot of people, like I know some
Beat reporters in Jacksonville, and the funny thing was like, yeah,
that was definitely forced. Little cringe like the comments they
posted on social media on man one man is getting
torn apart. That's not the only one though, here's the
second one.
Speaker 7 (19:23):
That's That's really what this is gonna come down to.
His honesty.
Speaker 8 (19:27):
I want to surround ourselves with people that are gonna
be able to tell you hard truths, be able to
show you your blind spots.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
Because that's really, like I mentioned, where.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
Growth occurs when you can truly be yourself and be
honest with looking in the mirror, knowing that that process.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
To get you there was clean and it was right,
and the.
Speaker 8 (19:45):
Results will speak for themselves.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
That's really what.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I understand he's excited the big moment for him, right
of course, but stuff like this, if and when it
all goes bad, it's gonna be brought to the forefront,
Like what was it when the Sannuel Hackett?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Like Hackett had a great mentality to him, right.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Friendly guy, he said something wrong the first time he
ever mentioned the word tug delicious.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I was like, Oh no, not that I do.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
We got a text early on the show.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Listener wants to know from you, Nick, what are the
group texts like for teammates when a new coach has
a social media moment like what happened in Jacksonville here today.
I'm curious for your thoughts on this one.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Well, I'll say this, I can't really tell you in
full detail without revealing certain sources about what is expressed
between teammates when something like this kerfuffle actually takes place.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
But I will I will say this. It is rather interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
You see in these press conferences, individuals allow a lot
of their personality to come out. But it is it
sends a certain message to the locker room.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Right. And that's not to say.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
That as a coach, you make a mistake in the
pressor you can't make up for once.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
You get in front of the players, right, you can
always make up for. Because I can understand Liam Korn
being really.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Excited and hype about this particular opportunity to say that
you gotta be honest.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
What see see, that's why you lost me to.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
The word of honesty.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
You know, we need to like if there's a little
more like sternness and like we're gonna set a standard
here where it doesn't matter what happens, you're gonna be
held accountable for how you play. Zach, can you run
that second clip back again? Let's just run it back
for the audience.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
That's really what this is gonna come down to, his honesty.
I want to surround.
Speaker 8 (21:52):
Ourselves with people that are gonna be able to tell
you hard truths, be able to show you your blind spots,
because that's really, like I mentioned, where growth occur is
when you can truly be yourself and be honest with
looking in the mirror knowing that that process to get
you there was clean and it was right, and the
results will speak for themselves.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
The process is never cleaned.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
It sounds like a Michael Scott thing in the office
that Liam Cohan just did.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
There.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I can tell you this is Vick, and I don't
know your thoughts on us. I know you share like
your group text, like let's say you were a player.
You and I are like, we're sharing a text here.
My first text to be are you kidding me? This
is the guy? This is the guy?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Well, I forgot to hit you with the is an
emoji face? Right?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Which one?
Speaker 4 (22:36):
I mean the mooji face with you know, with the
guy with his hands up like I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I don't know what to make of it because I
guess the thing that looks bad for Liam Cohen in
this particular situation, and I think is the wording that
he elected to use when he started talking about you know,
honesty and hard truth right, your blind spots right and
things like that. And the reason I say that is
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you go back to how this situation between the Jags
and Tampa Bay actually occurred. And Grant granted, I'm all
about any person trying to elevate themselves and their families,
and sometimes it may not always.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Work out the way that you wanted to work out.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
But I think that is what then Cohen's critics are
going to go back to as far as the whole
concept of having receipts.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
You said you mentioned the word honesty.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Well, when you think about the Glazer family and Todd Bowles,
they're going to be like, wait a minute, man, we
were trying to call you, but you didn't pick up
the phone.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Yeah, and then there was.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
An issue about well, well there was something going on
with your son. So when anything is mentioned about family,
everyone goes, oh, you know what.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
We got it.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
But to know that you were talking to Jacksonville and
you mentioned your son in that way, that's the thing
that makes put a little faults in the game.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
Yeah, right, honest with looking in the mirror, knowing that
that process to get you there was clean and it
was right, and the results will speak for themselves.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Now, No, the.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Results speaking for themselves and trying to be in the
right place. I understands everyone's trying to advance himself, but
saying the process was clean, it was anything but clean.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, you're gonna have to have results pretty early on
here and stuff. In that division, there was Houston the
way they play. No, Houston didn't play I think to
the level in which they did last year. I was
seeing Strouds first year. I think that they dealt with
a lot of different things. I still think Houston is
the top favorite there. Indianapolis, I don't know what the
path is for them. Jacksonville, though, I mean terrific young
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rookie receiver. Obviously he's a finalist for Offensive Rookie the
year he lookside Broncos quarterback bon Nicks. You got Treva
Lawrence there, you got etn You're gonna get Evan Ingram
back who had season ending injury. But that got to
change a little bit. Like you know how bad of
a look it was for jackson will say, you know
what we're gonna fire Doug Peterson, Well, we're gonna keep
Trent Balkey, And all of a sudden you saw a
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play out. Nobody wanted that Jaguars job unless Balkey was gone. Yep,
Jacksonville could have put themselves maybe in a better position,
maybe in a position to land Robert Sala, who was
a candidate for that, if that had happened earlier on
in the process. Now you get with Liam calling a
young guy who's obviously very excited for his job, but
he doesn't come across right Like ideally, before you get
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introduced at a press conference, you want to be yourself,
but you definitely have the pr element to it, like.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
This is what we want to project, right.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
They go through and they pick out like this color
tie represents this.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
The shoes that you wear represents this.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
The color blazer you're gonna wear, it represents different qualities here.
How you present yourself and your first introduction is definitely
something that people pay attention. I know the media pays
attention to it, but players pay attention to that as
well because they.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Want to know what guy we having coming in. I
don't know if you had a chance to catch it.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Pete Carroll just got introduced today as a new head
coach of Las Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Players weren't Tennis Matt Crosby.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Those guys. He didn't say anything crazy. We're off the
rails in a sense. It was just like, hey, we're like,
this is the standard we're going to look to set
to create here. That's what players pay attention to. And
now if you're Jacksonville knowing that, like, hey, our ownership,
SHOT's a great guy, we haven't done much to change
that perspective to maximize the window that we had with
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Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
You go to the playoffs few years ago.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
You come back from being down twenty seven, not through
the charters, and then you don't do anything with it
the next year. Right, they regressed in such a big way.
There's a lot of pressure here on Cohen to get
it right. And once again, as we've seen in the NFL,
the Jaguars have been no stranger to want have dones.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Well, it's again about well, I look at the situation
with Cohen and listen, I applaud the fact that he
saw an opportunity, he wanted to seize it, he wanted.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
To take it.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Yeah, and I would encourage anyone to do the same thing.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
I think just looking at it, it was how it
was done.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
And I know after some time looking back on it,
he's gonna reflect on and said, well, I could have
done the better job of communicating what it was and
knowing as though, you know, when you think about the
glades of family, just keep it one hundred. They kind
of put him in a tight spot. Right, here's our
final offering this, that's it. We're gonna make you the
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highest paid office a coordinator in the league.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
That's it, bar none. Don't ask us for any more money.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
But then you get someone else who said, well, we're
gonna up to any And the game is about competition,
is it not.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
So I understand that part.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Of it, but I wish Korn would have went about
it in a different manner. But now he's got to
win as players because players would have seen that sound
bite and they know how that tagline Douvall has been
attached to Jacksonville for so long and what it actually means.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
So you can't just manufacture that.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Now you gotta walk in and you have to live,
breathe everything a part of duval because if you don't,
players see right through that.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
They see right through.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
That veneer, and he has an opportunity once he sits
down in front of those guys, explain what he was
trying to do. Talk to those players, just like you
talked to shag Khan, so convince.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Him to leave Tampa Bay.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
See, that's what players want to know at the end
of the day, no matter what we do, because we
all flawed as people, right And I'm not we saying
you're joking about it. I'm not gonna hold it too
much against me and Collin. But he's got to go
in and he's got to win this players because those
players have to know.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
We have a leader. When we get down fourteen to nothing,
we have to look to you for motivation, even though
we've grown as man and you no need for you
to do that. But they're gonna have to motivate us
in a way that's different than that little sound bite
that we just heard.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, the first thing I thought, I when I heard
that sound bite, immediately thought of the Los Angeles Chargers
schedule Elise promo that they're gonna probably do on social media.
You know how they always takes pie.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Like as much as you know Broncos Country has the charge.
You got to give their social media team credit. They
do a terrific job and their their schedule Elase videos
are always funny.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I just couldn't imagine. I was like I wonder what
they're gonna.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Do here with I see see that changes if the
Jags are on their schedule.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Now, knowing how the.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
NFL, THEFC West plays AFC stout this year, so that's
gonna be.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
That's gonna be very interesting interesting, And knowing how the
NFL is usually, I'm sure that the individual's in charge
of scheduling, they're trying to find a way, not in
the preseason, they're trying to find a way to get
Jacksonville Jaguars to play against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
I bets you those.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Individual putting the schedule together, they're looking at chips going yes.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Yes, the drama can tell you is let's tell this Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
No, it's gonna be an interesting offseason as well.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
And look, there's a a lot of stuff coming up.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
There's there's the Shrine Bowl, there's the Senior Bowl that
are ongoing right now in process. Benjamin Albright's representing down
there obviously for KOA, and then you.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Got to build up to the Super Bowl. Then after that,
Nick like.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
People always talk about, okay, hey the off seasons here,
Really the offseason is never a thing.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
There's always something going on.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Free agency is March twelfth, then you got the Combine,
then you got the NFL Draft, and sooner rather than later.
OHA's is right after that, and we're gonna be back
out there. Practice is gonna be ongoing. There's gonna be
a lot.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Of things here in motion.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
And so for the Denver Broncos, they got a lot
that they're gonna have to tackle this offseason.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
And certainly there is no bullets and board material.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
You're never gonna have Sean Payton going on and saying
Broncos Country, Let's ride.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
You ain't gonna see that. There's no catchphrase, though. I
am curious to see what Sean's gonna do. Is Sean
gonna go on to Is he gonna go out to
radio road this year?
Speaker 1 (30:49):
That's one of my things because I think Sean gives
away a lot of really good stuff in terms of that,
and you do get some good sound bites. What was
that he said at the end of the press conference
a couple of weeks I was sitting there in the
I think he was asked a question about, you know,
the running back position. What do you what are your
plans to do at the position? He goes, you know,
you know, we en't got to that point. Yeah, we're
gonna meet here in a couple of weeks and determine that.
(31:10):
And he said, and come up with a plan anyone when.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
We do that.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I'm still not gonna tell you. Like, that's where Sean
is at.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
He's always good for a soundby or two, but he's
never gonna be uh, he's never gonna do a li
Liam Cohen.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Is no, he he is not.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
And the reason he's never gonna do that is because
he was taught by the master of media manipulation, and that.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Is Bill Parcells.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
So if you're hoping and waiting to catch Sean Payton
making one of those Liam Cohen type of situation.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Videos vi our videos, don't hold your breath.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
He gives us some good ones, though, I would say
from time to time nothing like that, nothing like no, no,
no more so it's like something you're like, I can
use this as like a reply to somebody.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
I can save the video and then maybe use this
down the road to you know, throw a little barber
someone Twitter.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
That's how Twitter is, he says, I'm trying to spend
less and less time on there.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
How's how's that worked out for you?
Speaker 9 (32:02):
Not so great, not so great, you know, because part
of the job, which is unfortunate because I'm not like that,
Like social media is just not it's not fun anymore.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
At least I would say, I don't know who are
you following? Man, I don't follow a lot of people.
I follow under a thousand people. Okay, but you know,
the algorithm still puts some stuff up.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Even though you got even though certain things, you still
see things pop up, and uh, you know, it is
what it is.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
But it's part of the game. Unfortunately, got to play it.
It's one of those unnecessary things. But uh, Broncos Country obviously,
if you want to chime in here on the show
here now you can get us on the Common Spirit
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Feeling it for Benjamin Albright here tonight alongside Nick Ferguson.
We're just talking about dinner in Moujie getting the promotion
to the New York Jets general manager job. And no, folks,
he the Broncos w and I be receiving third round
picks for him. That's not how the compository formula works.
And but there's a chance that Denver could maybe receive
a couple of third round picks if there's a promotion
for one player around.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Who's assistant coach.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
On the Broncos assistant special teams coordinator, Chris Banjo, who's
already interviewed for the forty nine ers best special Team's job.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I know they filled that today.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
He's got some interest from some other teams, and we'll see,
you know, if there's a team on the horizon, maybe
New York potentially where you know he used to play
as a dB and playing on special teams for uh
In orant to state it's when Glenn was a defensive backs.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Coach over there.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
If he does get a special teams coordinator job, obviously
Denver would receive that. But man Banjo, I've been so
impressed Nick with Banjo his transition from being a foreign
player and look, he played ten plus years in the NFL,
was a was a core four special teams. Guy did
a really good job of coming in right away as
a player, making that transition for being a player to
a coach, which that's kind of tough for first, right,
(01:05):
one year year in the locker room is a player,
the next year you're a lot you're in the coaching
office as a coach. What you hear as a coach
versus what you don't hear when you're a player is
drastically different. I know for me, like the year after
I was done playing, I went straight into coaching and
I was like, wait.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
A minute, coaches talk like this about.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Players or talk to play like it's a different world,
my friend. But man, Banjos so dang deserving if he
gets a job.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Man, Yeah, he's definitely deserving, because it's rare that a
lot of players find themselves.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Coaching on the NFL teams, for one, but to.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Go right from the field of playing right into it,
you got to know the right people, but more apporting,
the right people.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Have to know you.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
But Chris Banjo has done a great job and without
being in a special team room. I can say that
because I know his mentor a guy who he he
actually played for New Orleans on special teams in Mike
Westaff and he coached under and Mike Westof. Mike Westof
was very though, and it was all about accountability. That's
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why when you look at the Broncos special teams and
how the unit has performed over the years, it's superior
opposed to what it was before, which why I was
shocked when Vincot Wicker was wasn't retained. And Chris Banjo,
like you said, he idea in View San Francisco. I
think he's supposed to have another one with the Dallas Cowboys.
(02:33):
So I'm rooted for him to get.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
His opportunity because before we were talking.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
About Aaron Glenn. In order to get to a point
where Aaron is now, someone's.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Got to give you an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
And once you get in the building, you have to
make good on what you know how to do as
a player, and Chris Banjo has definitely done that. And
it comes down Cody to you know this to teaching.
That's what coaching is. If you look at the webs edictionary,
the first word to describe coaching should be teach or
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teaching in some particular way, because that's what you have
to do. But I'll say this, when you look at
Chris Banjo, you look at Johnny mo right, you look
at Darren Mogi, was it Declan Doyle? Yep, right, They're
all coming from the Denver Broncos. And you would think
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that the Denver Broncos were headed to New Orleans to
play in the Super Bowl, right, based on how their
coaching staff is being rated.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
But here's what it does say.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
It is a testament to the culture that they said
that the Penner said that they wanted to rebuild. And
it's a testament to both Sean Payton and George Payton
that people are now coming to.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Your team to raise your coaching roster and you are
not in your playing in the during Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, that says a lot. It's a good thing. And
that's something that Sean told us to at the end
of the year. You know, he always goes.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Back to the story you know they had when he
was talking with you know, Benson lad Owner over there
the New Orleans Saints about it.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Why are all these teams interviewing.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Our coaches like his in the best he said, if
they're not getting interviews, that's a bad thing, right, which
I find a little odd that Kansas City, how many
of their coaches keep getting like you don't hear about
them getting coaches, you know, interviews. I know, like Steve
Spagnoll's interviewed for some head coaching jobs in the last
couple of years. We know he's the guy in waiting
when Andy Reid decides to step away. They've two obviously
a tremendous special teams coach down there was like a
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few years ago getting some head coaching interviews. Not necessarily,
maybe he just wants to stay in Casey. But like
for Denver, you lose Declan Doyle twenty years old. He's
younger than me, which is crazy to think about. Now
the offensive coordinator over there, Hey, I should have not
do it a little earlier, like, hey, I'm available defensive
back and sol we'll see what that is. But no,
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you know, you see guys like that, like Decan Doyle
gets an opportunity, you know, tied end coach for the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Here's the thing people are going to look at, Well,
the Broncos tight end.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Room didn't really do much as that's not necessarily a
reflection on the type of coach that Decklan Doyle is.
You know from players that I've spoken to, they love Doyle. Obviously,
Sean Payton values do it because he was on Peyton's
staff from twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
He was with Peyton from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
He was with Dennis Allen in that twenty twenty two
season before reuniting with Sewn and for the past two seasons.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Obviously here in Denver, a young offensive mine who learns
a lot, and certainly you have a lot of.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Different responsibilities that are put on your plate as a
young guy. You know, position coaches not just hey, you're
going to coach tight ends. It's hey, you know you're
gonna assist with this. You know you're gonna drop some plays,
You're gonna put it in this program.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Like, there's a lot of graduate.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Assistant and responsibilities also come with some of those things
that some of those senior offensive guys get. But the
oil goes there to Chicago, he's gonna be the OC
by title, not gonna call plays.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
It's gonna be Ben Johnson calling the plays.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
But now the Broncos are actually in danger, and it
all signs appear that they're gonna lose Johnny mo as
the players call him, passagive corner or John Morton.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Who's he going to? I have talked about tense.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
He coaches the guys really, really hard. He was a
passing quarter for Detroit lines a few years ago. Now
he's got an opportunity. All signs point to him being
the you know, the new occene now they're to replace
Ben Johnson in Detroit.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Yeah, that's that's always great, man.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
When you lose coaches to go to different places, it
says a lot about your coaching development that you are
bringing in guys, you're bringing them along.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
But obviously every.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Coaching staff would love for every single guy to say,
but at some point you have to branch off and
do your own thing.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
And it is for me.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
It's a testament of how the Broncos are actually evaluating.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
But also the relationships. I mean the fact that Declan.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Doyle came from the New Orleans Saints with Sean Payton,
that tells you about their relationship. What did he learn
over the years from Sean Payton which would allow him
to go in and implement Ben Johnson's system. And like
you said, well, Devlan's not going to be calling plays
because I think those those play calling.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Duties will still go to Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
But you have an opportunity to learn football from two
different sets of minds and then develop your own scheme
or mixture of that whenever he gets that opportunity. But
it's great to have that title as OC as I've
seen in the NFL, because even if you're not calling plays,
if you have the title of OC, when that next
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hirocycle comes.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Around, guess what you're on the radar, just like Bobby.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Smock was, Yeah, and Joe Brady. And it's crazy how
much it can change in a moment. Notice all takes
is one game or a stretch of a couple of weeks,
and it changes everything. The temperature in the NFL, right,
you always say it's not for long one. I mean,
so is the temperature in terms of the coaching cycle there. Obviously,
you know wal up Dachiv obviously if Johnny Mo ends
up there. You know, we talked about Chris Banjo, one
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Broncos coach announced that he is staying after having some offers.
You know, some teams interested in him being a defensive
coordinator this year. Defensive backs coach Jim Leonard is staying
as the DB's coach here in Denver, with Vance Joseph
obviously on Peyton's staff. I know there are a couple
of teams. I think the Colts had interest in him
at one point. Obviously Dave now filled that. I even
think I'm not sure I saw something that Clemson at
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college level was interested in.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Leonard obviously very smart defensive mind.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Out of all these names here right that we've talked about,
who do you think is the biggest loss for the
Broncos and all.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
The coaches right now who are on staff.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Who do you think would be the biggest loss if
poach for a promotion for another team.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I'll give you mind here.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I think if Davis Webb, who's gotten some interest in.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
The cycle, I'd be worried if he got poached a.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Little bit because I think he has been monumental to
that QB room and you want to keep a little
bit of that continuity going there.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
You know, I will say that is true because the
one person who is around the quarterback the most is
the quarterbacks coach.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
He knows that guy inside.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
And out, even though Sean Payton being a former quarterback
in his own right developing the scheme and Joe Brady
being there, Davis Webb is very important because when things
don't go right with Bow next to any other quarterback
and someone's getting yelled and the scream that it is
Web's job to keep that guy calm, make sure that
he gets Hey, listen, man, I know what's going on.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Exactly, and that's what you want.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Someone who was able to step in and have the
respect all that officer coordinated, but also to show that
player I got your back too, which in a lot
of cases, I can tell you in the ranks of coaching,
that's not how it always happens.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Everyone's trying to save their own backside.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
But the see Web in that particular situation step up
for Bow. That was really important, especially for the confidence
of Bo. But you know, when we look at the
other guys on the staff that you losing and I'm
glad that Vance Joseph is coming back, because I was
wondering if Vance was poached by someone else to be
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their head coach, what would happen to the d Obviously
Jim Leonard would step in. Whether you're thinking Okay, well
are you would you hit on those same cylinders that
you were hitting in the previous year.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Maybe so.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
But I still think based on what Vance was able
to do, the connection he has with his players and
vice versa, if you were to lose that, and not saying.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Once again that I don't think that.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Jim Leonard could step in and have that same connection.
But looking at what Vance had done over the past
season to get sixty.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Three sacks, man, you know how crazy that is. Well,
they played Buffalo. Buffalo only had thirty six on the season.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, and they were the least sacked team and Denver
was able to get sacks in that game on gosh Allen.
So I mean, it is a testament you can get
to the quarterback. I think it ever makes a couple
moves here this offseason. I think linebacker probably being the
biggest one. I think it changes the complexity of that
defense a little bit for the better.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And look at Vance were to leave, if Leonard.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Were a step in. You know, Leonard obviously a very
smart defense mind. What he did at Wisconsin when he
was there was absolutely incredible. What you call like the
flow of the game. He may call it entirely different
than Dvance does. Right, he may have different philosophy, so
it's like, how do you bridge that gap? If that
was the case, We're not gonna have to worry about
that right now unless New Orleans comes in and says, hey,
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we want to INTERVIEWVNGCH Joseph for this job. I mean,
that job right now is surprised that it's the only
one that's opening.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
It's still opening in yours. Also, the way that I
look at these situations when you start talking about coaches
moving around and you're mentioned in Kansas City and we
look at the coaches who could have left but decided
to stay. And usually when that happens is that you're
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realizing there's something special and the place that you are
at that particular moment. And obviously teams can tweak, you know,
salaries here and there, but you recognize that there's something there,
so you don't want to leave. And a lot of
teams have been that way within I've had coaches that
saved with the organization for years. I remember when I
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played for Denver Broncos, Bobby Turner, the runner back coach, right,
I mean, it's almost like he was a Shenny hand Lifer,
like everywhere Mike Win he was there, and hell he
was with he's still with the forty nine ers. And
it looked like for a moment that he was going
to retire and Anthony Linn was going to step in.
But somehow, you know, just like in the mobster movie
(12:27):
The Godfather, He's like.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Every time I tried to get out, they pulled me
back in. Right. So it's that type of environment.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
When you were around a certain coaching staff in the
organization that you feel as though you have more, you
have more to give. So I mean kudos to a
lot of those guys who are still on the coaching
staff for those who now are moving on to different teams. Man,
I wish all those guys good luck. But also provides
an opportunity to elevate other people within an organization.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, and I think, well, let's say Johnny Mo gets
the OSHI job in Detrie. That's right, you know, Okay,
the Morocos, They're not gonna have an opening for a
pass game corner. In my opinion, this is where Davis
Webb takes the next step right in house.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
He gets that, and.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Maybe Logan Kilgore, who's a senior offensive assistant right now
here for obviously for the team offensive coach. Maybe he
gets up to quarterback coach because he did work with
Arch Spanning like he's got a.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Good offensive mine. He's the young guy, very smart.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
That's where you start to see your tree grow a
little bit a little bit and you get these opportunities
to expand. Or maybe Davis holds the title of QB
coach and passing game coordinator right Jim Leonard's the DVS
coach in a passing game coordinator.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
That's a lot on your plate, man, But Davis seems
like a guy who prepares for it right in terms
of he kept a scouting report of every game he's
ever played, dating back to high school, college, NFL level
detailed reports and that's what really was.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
The allure for Sean Payton to hire him as the
QB coach. That move is paid off really well. But
you have a chance to move guys within. Now here's
where the challenge is. You bring in a guy from
the outside. There's a lot of pressure on that guy
because everyone else.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Has been there.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Now you have to kind of get with the system
and you have to kind of get into wear what
Sean wants and you don't want different languages amongst your coach.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You want the message to be the same.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah, but I don't think that guys should be ruled
out because they haven't been a part.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Of this particular system, because they got.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
To be the right fit.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Okay, well, once again, what defines fit? Say? We got
to discuss that. What truly defines fit? Cody?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
What does I mean? We'll discuss that. And also, well,
well here from Dell Sanders what it means to be dominant?
Plus NFL new head coach is saying some interesting things.
Makes you wonder could you walk it back there?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Wilight that obviously as a scene in Jacksonville when we
get back here on Broncos Country now KAA.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Eight fifty ninety four one FM. Do you remember about
your draft?
Speaker 4 (14:50):
We weren't gonna be broke no more. That was it.
We weren't gonna be broke no more.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
And my mother would not have to work another day
of her life and life would never be the same,
That's what I remember.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
But I wanted to be the greatest. It wasn't about
the money.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
It was about being the greatest and being dominant, because
when you're the greatest, and you're dominant, and you perfect
your craft, the money's gonna find you. You don't ever
have to chase money. When you perfect your craft, you
supposed to clap right there.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Deon Sanders on the Stephen Colbert Show last night talking
about what it means to be dominant, and certainly Dion
was dominant when he was a player. I mean, we're
getting ready to talk about NFL Defensive Player of the Year,
which is coming up.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Passer Tan.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
If he wins it has a chance to join to
be the seventh defensive back in that group where Diyon
in nineteen ninety four he was in that category.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Rod Woodson, nol Blunt.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I mean, I tell you what if Stefan Gilmore's went nineteen.
I mean, but he's not wrong. You dominate, you also
get set up for a payday. Passer Tan, this season
he dominated, he himself a nice little.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Well, yeah, very true.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
But I would have to say not every player looks
at things in that way. I can't speak for any
other sport, but I can speak and attest to things
that I've seen as a coach and the player playing
in the NFL is because some.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Guys are just happy to just be there. Mama made it.
I got it in uniform. That gave me a locker.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
You gotta take a team picture.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Yes, yeah, you know, see me right there. You'll get
a chance of circling.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
But there are other guys who are saying, you know what, Yeah,
I didn't come into this league the way that I
wanted to.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Yeah, that someone not draft me. They're in the right spot.
Like Aman Saint Brown who plays for the Detroit Lions.
He still has a list of those guys right who
was drafted ahead of him, who are not playing and
performing at a high level that he is. But the
ideas that you have to dominate every time that you
(16:53):
take the field. But I will say this, and I
know Coach Prime definitely deals with it. When you are
the caliber player.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
That Dion was coming out of high school, going to
Florida State, coming out of Florida State, getting prepared to
go to the league. He always had that cachet, that
swag about himself. And when you watch him at CU
as I watched him over the past two seasons, when
his players don't perform in a certain way, he takes
(17:21):
it personal, almost like he wants to go out there
and he wants to do it even.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Though that he can't do it.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
And that is one of the things that becomes really
difficult for you as a coach that you see things
in your player you want them to do that they
don't do. But the idea is that every time you
touch the field is an opportunity for you to get better,
but it's an opportunity for you to dominate your opponent,
even if that means Cody, your very own teammate.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, I mean that's what that's what training camps for, right.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I don't know how many times we've been, Like back
when I was coach, we even we emphasize that message
acause you had a lot of guys as mentioned, guys
are just happy to be there. We ended up holding
off on like when we do team pictures. You want
to know why the lot there's a lot of the players,
like the players who didn't want to be They're the
players who didn't want to compete and be dominant. They
just wanted to have their picture up saying hey, I
(18:12):
was on this team, and the reality is that you
actually weren't. You know, it's the team picture. Stop showing
with the practice you quit like that that was one
of those things. But obviously that's the mentality you want
in a lot of your different locker rooms. But uh,
you know, speaking of being dominant, I feel like you
can give off the perception of hey, you better be dominant,
especially if you say the wrong things.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Jacksonville Jaguars introduced their brand.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
New head coach here today, Liam Cohen, and obviously the
timeline for that he was returning to the Tampa Bay
Buccaneers as the ROC. The Jaguars fire Trent Balky, and
then that opportunity to opened up for him. One of
those moments we haven't seen quite some time since Adam Gase.
Just a weird press conference. We got the audio here. Uh,
you give us your thoughts, dude.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I mean that sounds forced.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I knowing a lot of people, like I know some
Beat reporters in Jacksonville, and the funny thing was like, yeah,
that was definitely forced. Little cringe like the comments they
posted on social media on man one man is getting
torn apart. That's not the only one though, here's the
second one.
Speaker 7 (19:23):
That's That's really what this is gonna come down to.
His honesty.
Speaker 8 (19:27):
I want to surround ourselves with people that are gonna
be able to tell you hard truths, be able to
show you your blind spots.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
Because that's really, like I mentioned, where.
Speaker 8 (19:35):
Growth occurs when you can truly be yourself and be
honest with looking in the mirror, knowing that that process.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
To get you there was clean and it was right,
and the.
Speaker 8 (19:45):
Results will speak for themselves.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
That's really what.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I understand he's excited the big moment for him, right
of course, but stuff like this, if and when it
all goes bad, it's gonna be brought to the forefront,
Like what was it when the Sannuel Hackett?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Like Hackett had a great mentality to him, right.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Friendly guy, he said something wrong the first time he
ever mentioned the word tug delicious.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I was like, Oh no, not that I do.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
We got a text early on the show.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Listener wants to know from you, Nick, what are the
group texts like for teammates when a new coach has
a social media moment like what happened in Jacksonville here today.
I'm curious for your thoughts on this one.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Well, I'll say this, I can't really tell you in
full detail without revealing certain sources about what is expressed
between teammates when something like this kerfuffle actually takes place.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
But I will I will say this. It is rather interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
You see in these press conferences, individuals allow a lot
of their personality to come out. But it is it
sends a certain message to the locker room.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Right. And that's not to say.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
That as a coach, you make a mistake in the
pressor you can't make up for once.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
You get in front of the players, right, you can
always make up for. Because I can understand Liam Korn
being really.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Excited and hype about this particular opportunity to say that
you gotta be honest.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
What see see, that's why you lost me to.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
The word of honesty.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
You know, we need to like if there's a little
more like sternness and like we're gonna set a standard
here where it doesn't matter what happens, you're gonna be
held accountable for how you play. Zach, can you run
that second clip back again? Let's just run it back
for the audience.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
That's really what this is gonna come down to, his honesty.
I want to surround.
Speaker 8 (21:52):
Ourselves with people that are gonna be able to tell
you hard truths, be able to show you your blind spots,
because that's really, like I mentioned, where growth occur is
when you can truly be yourself and be honest with
looking in the mirror knowing that that process to get
you there was clean and it was right, and the
results will speak for themselves.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
The process is never cleaned.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
It sounds like a Michael Scott thing in the office
that Liam Cohan just did.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
There.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I can tell you this is Vick, and I don't
know your thoughts on us. I know you share like
your group text, like let's say you were a player.
You and I are like, we're sharing a text here.
My first text to be are you kidding me? This
is the guy? This is the guy?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Well, I forgot to hit you with the is an
emoji face? Right?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Which one?
Speaker 4 (22:36):
I mean the mooji face with you know, with the
guy with his hands up like I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I don't know what to make of it because I
guess the thing that looks bad for Liam Cohen in
this particular situation, and I think is the wording that
he elected to use when he started talking about you know,
honesty and hard truth right, your blind spots right and
things like that. And the reason I say that is
(23:02):
you go back to how this situation between the Jags
and Tampa Bay actually occurred. And Grant granted, I'm all
about any person trying to elevate themselves and their families,
and sometimes it may not always.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Work out the way that you wanted to work out.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
But I think that is what then Cohen's critics are
going to go back to as far as the whole
concept of having receipts.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
You said you mentioned the word honesty.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Well, when you think about the Glazer family and Todd Bowles,
they're going to be like, wait a minute, man, we
were trying to call you, but you didn't pick up
the phone.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Yeah, and then there was.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
An issue about well, well there was something going on
with your son. So when anything is mentioned about family,
everyone goes, oh, you know what.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
We got it.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
But to know that you were talking to Jacksonville and
you mentioned your son in that way, that's the thing
that makes put a little faults in the game.
Speaker 8 (24:00):
Yeah, right, honest with looking in the mirror, knowing that
that process to get you there was clean and it
was right, and the results will speak for themselves.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Now, No, the.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Results speaking for themselves and trying to be in the
right place. I understands everyone's trying to advance himself, but
saying the process was clean, it was anything but clean.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, you're gonna have to have results pretty early on
here and stuff. In that division, there was Houston the
way they play. No, Houston didn't play I think to
the level in which they did last year. I was
seeing Strouds first year. I think that they dealt with
a lot of different things. I still think Houston is
the top favorite there. Indianapolis, I don't know what the
path is for them. Jacksonville, though, I mean terrific young
(24:47):
rookie receiver. Obviously he's a finalist for Offensive Rookie the
year he lookside Broncos quarterback bon Nicks. You got Treva
Lawrence there, you got etn You're gonna get Evan Ingram
back who had season ending injury. But that got to
change a little bit. Like you know how bad of
a look it was for jackson will say, you know
what we're gonna fire Doug Peterson, Well, we're gonna keep
Trent Balkey, And all of a sudden you saw a
(25:09):
play out. Nobody wanted that Jaguars job unless Balkey was gone. Yep,
Jacksonville could have put themselves maybe in a better position,
maybe in a position to land Robert Sala, who was
a candidate for that, if that had happened earlier on
in the process. Now you get with Liam calling a
young guy who's obviously very excited for his job, but
he doesn't come across right Like ideally, before you get
(25:31):
introduced at a press conference, you want to be yourself,
but you definitely have the pr element to it, like.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
This is what we want to project, right.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
They go through and they pick out like this color
tie represents this.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
The shoes that you wear represents this.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
The color blazer you're gonna wear, it represents different qualities here.
How you present yourself and your first introduction is definitely
something that people pay attention. I know the media pays
attention to it, but players pay attention to that as
well because they.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Want to know what guy we having coming in. I
don't know if you had a chance to catch it.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Pete Carroll just got introduced today as a new head
coach of Las Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Players weren't Tennis Matt Crosby.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Those guys. He didn't say anything crazy. We're off the
rails in a sense. It was just like, hey, we're like,
this is the standard we're going to look to set
to create here. That's what players pay attention to. And
now if you're Jacksonville knowing that, like, hey, our ownership,
SHOT's a great guy, we haven't done much to change
that perspective to maximize the window that we had with
(26:26):
Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
You go to the playoffs few years ago.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
You come back from being down twenty seven, not through
the charters, and then you don't do anything with it
the next year. Right, they regressed in such a big way.
There's a lot of pressure here on Cohen to get
it right. And once again, as we've seen in the NFL,
the Jaguars have been no stranger to want have dones.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Well, it's again about well, I look at the situation
with Cohen and listen, I applaud the fact that he
saw an opportunity, he wanted to seize it, he wanted.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
To take it.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Yeah, and I would encourage anyone to do the same thing.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
I think just looking at it, it was how it
was done.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
And I know after some time looking back on it,
he's gonna reflect on and said, well, I could have
done the better job of communicating what it was and
knowing as though, you know, when you think about the
glades of family, just keep it one hundred. They kind
of put him in a tight spot. Right, here's our
final offering this, that's it. We're gonna make you the
(27:23):
highest paid office a coordinator in the league.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
That's it, bar none. Don't ask us for any more money.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
But then you get someone else who said, well, we're
gonna up to any And the game is about competition,
is it not.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
So I understand that part.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Of it, but I wish Korn would have went about
it in a different manner. But now he's got to
win as players because players would have seen that sound
bite and they know how that tagline Douvall has been
attached to Jacksonville for so long and what it actually means.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
So you can't just manufacture that.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Now you gotta walk in and you have to live,
breathe everything a part of duval because if you don't,
players see right through that.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
They see right through.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
That veneer, and he has an opportunity once he sits
down in front of those guys, explain what he was
trying to do. Talk to those players, just like you
talked to shag Khan, so convince.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Him to leave Tampa Bay.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
See, that's what players want to know at the end
of the day, no matter what we do, because we
all flawed as people, right And I'm not we saying
you're joking about it. I'm not gonna hold it too
much against me and Collin. But he's got to go
in and he's got to win this players because those
players have to know.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
We have a leader. When we get down fourteen to nothing,
we have to look to you for motivation, even though
we've grown as man and you no need for you
to do that. But they're gonna have to motivate us
in a way that's different than that little sound bite
that we just heard.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, the first thing I thought, I when I heard
that sound bite, immediately thought of the Los Angeles Chargers
schedule Elise promo that they're gonna probably do on social media.
You know how they always takes pie.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Like as much as you know Broncos Country has the charge.
You got to give their social media team credit. They
do a terrific job and their their schedule Elase videos
are always funny.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I just couldn't imagine. I was like I wonder what
they're gonna.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Do here with I see see that changes if the
Jags are on their schedule.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Now, knowing how the.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
NFL, THEFC West plays AFC stout this year, so that's
gonna be.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
That's gonna be very interesting interesting, And knowing how the
NFL is usually, I'm sure that the individual's in charge
of scheduling, they're trying to find a way, not in
the preseason, they're trying to find a way to get
Jacksonville Jaguars to play against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
I bets you those.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Individual putting the schedule together, they're looking at chips going yes.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Yes, the drama can tell you is let's tell this Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
No, it's gonna be an interesting offseason as well.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
And look, there's a a lot of stuff coming up.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
There's there's the Shrine Bowl, there's the Senior Bowl that
are ongoing right now in process. Benjamin Albright's representing down
there obviously for KOA, and then you.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Got to build up to the Super Bowl. Then after that,
Nick like.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
People always talk about, okay, hey the off seasons here,
Really the offseason is never a thing.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
There's always something going on.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Free agency is March twelfth, then you got the Combine,
then you got the NFL Draft, and sooner rather than later.
OHA's is right after that, and we're gonna be back
out there. Practice is gonna be ongoing. There's gonna be
a lot.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Of things here in motion.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
And so for the Denver Broncos, they got a lot
that they're gonna have to tackle this offseason.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
And certainly there is no bullets and board material.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
You're never gonna have Sean Payton going on and saying
Broncos Country, Let's ride.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
You ain't gonna see that. There's no catchphrase, though. I
am curious to see what Sean's gonna do. Is Sean
gonna go on to Is he gonna go out to
radio road this year?
Speaker 1 (30:49):
That's one of my things because I think Sean gives
away a lot of really good stuff in terms of that,
and you do get some good sound bites. What was
that he said at the end of the press conference
a couple of weeks I was sitting there in the
I think he was asked a question about, you know,
the running back position. What do you what are your
plans to do at the position? He goes, you know,
you know, we en't got to that point. Yeah, we're
gonna meet here in a couple of weeks and determine that.
(31:10):
And he said, and come up with a plan anyone when.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
We do that.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I'm still not gonna tell you. Like, that's where Sean
is at.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
He's always good for a soundby or two, but he's
never gonna be uh, he's never gonna do a li
Liam Cohen.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Is no, he he is not.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
And the reason he's never gonna do that is because
he was taught by the master of media manipulation, and that.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Is Bill Parcells.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
So if you're hoping and waiting to catch Sean Payton
making one of those Liam Cohen type of situation.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Videos vi our videos, don't hold your breath.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
He gives us some good ones, though, I would say
from time to time nothing like that, nothing like no, no,
no more so it's like something you're like, I can
use this as like a reply to somebody.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
I can save the video and then maybe use this
down the road to you know, throw a little barber
someone Twitter.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
That's how Twitter is, he says, I'm trying to spend
less and less time on there.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
How's how's that worked out for you?
Speaker 9 (32:02):
Not so great, not so great, you know, because part
of the job, which is unfortunate because I'm not like that,
Like social media is just not it's not fun anymore.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
At least I would say, I don't know who are
you following? Man, I don't follow a lot of people.
I follow under a thousand people. Okay, but you know,
the algorithm still puts some stuff up.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Even though you got even though certain things, you still
see things pop up, and uh, you know, it is
what it is.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
But it's part of the game. Unfortunately, got to play it.
It's one of those unnecessary things. But uh, Broncos Country obviously,
if you want to chime in here on the show
here now you can get us on the Common Spirit
health text line at five six six nine zeros. We're
getting ready to talk a little bit about the Broncos
biggest needs are here this offseason. You'll get that here
a Broncos Country net Oka eight fifty AM and ninety
(32:50):
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