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Speaker 5 (01:07):
How are you Ryan? Th oh, we got you Ryan, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
An you guys here.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Let me have Zach put you on hold and recall
you real quick. We're having a little issue with the connection.
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There technical difficulties that happens from time to time.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Let's pivot because I brought up this topic with you
earlier about the best advice that you've ever received from
a player, and this was from Patrick Beverly on his
Pat Bev pod, and man, it made me think of
you as a mentor because I know you're great at
given advice.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
You've given me plenty.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
But this is what Pat Bev had to say about
some advice Kawhi Leonard gave him when they were on
the same team.
Speaker 7 (01:49):
And I always like to give kaw wis. He goes
to me a pat you know, slow is pro fifteen
minutes go by text, slowest pro. What would you mean
I took you one way? I took it this way?
What did you mean? He I'm just meaning in life
period of pat mistake siously happens when you rush so
slow as pro and guess what pro is pat?
Speaker 8 (02:09):
You guess right, is slow?
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Did he ive you with the dead Pat?
Speaker 7 (02:13):
We all crazy?
Speaker 8 (02:15):
You just like to show yours.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I love the Kawhia pressure there. But what was the
best advice maybe you got. I know you like to
talk about all the things that Bill Parcells, all the
knowledge he imparted on you. But what was the advice
you ever got from a player or some great advice
you gave to another another player.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Well, so basically, just keep your mouth closed and your
ears and your eyes open, because there's a reason why
we have two eyes and two ears and one mouth.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
That's why God gave it. Because we should talk less
and listen more. And you say that to young players
as they're coming in so they can learn more about
the business of football, because you learn really quickly that
is not exactly how you want vision it before you
got into.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
It, right.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And you know, when you come from a college where
you're now you're the big man on campus, all of
these guys are coming in, you're the best of the
best at your school, and then you're kind of back
at the bottom of the totem pole once you get
into the league and you're with these vets that have
been doing it for years and they have a family
to provide for. This is their job and they take
it seriously and I kind of got to get that
mindset shift right.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
It did, but you know, it really quickly for me
because I was like the small fish, big pond, right.
I didn't take any days off. They had to try
to tell me to slow down. But being around Parcels,
he loved that. It was more like speed up, right,
keep doing it. So he was the worst person to
encourage because I mean I really took full advantage of
because I was not slowing down for anyone because you
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guys have what I want.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
If I slow down, then I'm gonna be on the ounce.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And that's why if you wouldn't have got snub from
the Pro Bowl, you would have been like Sean Taylor
out there going speed. He's I think we have Ryan
Michael back. Ryan, we got you. Got Nick much better
on our end. I don't think that was your fault.
I think that was on us. But thanks for joining
us as always and man four Quarterback Center Championships Sunday,
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Only two walked away with an opportunity to compete in
the Super Bowl of course, one of those teams to do.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
It every year.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And Patrick Mahomes, what kind of impact do you feel
this season's conference championships had on the legacies of the
qbs who played on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
That's a good question.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Gran. I would say all four of them are walking
away just intact. They're doing just fine. Obviously a little
better for Pat and for Jalen. You know, Jade and
Daniels carried Washington to their first posts. Further, I should
say not their first postseason because RG three did that
in twenty twelve, but he carried them further than any
quarterback since Mark Rippen all the way back in nineteen
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ninety one, twenty three years ago. So I'm confident we'll
here in short order they will be named the Associated
Press NFL Offensive Ropie of the Year. Bo Nix, we
could have a discussion about him, but I think the
nod's going to go to Jaden, so he's put together
a fantastic season. Josh Allen second team All Pro selection.
I think that's the right spot for him. And you
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could make an argument that he had an even better
game than Patrick Mahomes in the AFC Championship game if
you consider the caliber defense that he played in Kansas
City against that Chiefs defense. Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
What more can you say?
Speaker 6 (05:23):
Second NFC championship in three seasons, and he joins some
notable Hall of fame company. So I was coming through
the record books earlier this week. He is the sixth
starting quarterback in NFL history drafted outside of the first
round to win multiple conference championships. So he joins Tom
Brady did ten times, Joe Montana four times, Roger Stabeck
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four times, Fran targans In three times, Kurt Warner three times.
Pretty elite company, and Pat Mahomes. Listen, he competed in
his seventh consecutive AFC Championship game, won his fifth, and
now he has a shot joined Brady and Bradshaw's quarterbacks
in NFL history with four more Super Bowl range.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
So when we look at the Super Bowl, we have
two great quarterbacks in this game.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
One is more accolades than the other.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
So the legacy or let me let me rephrase that,
when we look at this game, it's more important to
which quarterbacks Legacy Hurts were Mahomes.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
You know, I'm tempted to say Patrick Mahomes because a
lot of people feel that he is chasing the ghost
of Tom Brady for that spot of greatest of all time,
which I don't believe belongs to Tom Brady. And I
don't think that Mahomes is one Super Bowl a way
of joining that rarefied era either. Obviously, a fourth super
Bowl ring puts him in truly elite company be the
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third person.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
To ever do it.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
But I'd make the argument that there's more at stake
for the legacy of Jalen Hurts. So he played lights
out in the Super Bowl two years ago and Mahomes
was just a little bit better to really be appearing
here in a second super Bowl puts him in rarefied air.
But as we know, winning a Super Bowl makes you
immortal forever. I would argue that Jalen Hurts has put
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together a better season so far this year than Pat Mahomes,
and I think if he walks away with a victory
on Super Bowl Sunday, it'll do a little bit more
for his legacy because Mahomes is already a guaranteed future
first ballot Hall of Fame selection.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Now, Ryan, we know in Broncos country it's a sin
to root for the Chiefs but I'm a fan of
greatness and I like watching anyone when I was one
of those guys that actually enjoyed seeing Tom Brady and
Bill Belichick's run and the Super Bowl era that they had.
But man, is it acceptable for Broncos fans to root
for the Chiefs in the Super Bowl?
Speaker 6 (07:45):
I mean, you have the freedom to root for whoever
you want. I would say, joking Lee, if you're a
Broncos fan, no, And if you work for the Broncos
flagship radio station, Grant, definitely no. Unacceptable, no place for that.
I'll say this as far as far as the fans,
because I'll go to that for Broncos Country as being
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the most passionate fan base in the NFL. I'm sure
Chiefs Kingdom would have something to say about that. But
it's a lot easier to root for a winner. So
when you're appearing now in your fifth Super Bowl and
you have a shot to win your fourth, listen, it's
easy to root for that kind of greatness. And I
think that Patrick Mahomes that she said very difficult not
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pull like them, that they are the AFC West Division rival,
So no, it's not acceptable. One of the frustrating things
for me is the media's refusal to acknowledge the decline
of Patrick Mahomes, and Patrick Mahomes has taken Tom Brady's
spot as the most beloved and marketable player in the
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National Football League, So there's every reason in the world
to want to build up his legacy or to build
up the perception of his legacy. I said this last week.
I think people overlook just how dominant he was for
the first five years of his career, number one in
the NFL, and adjusted net yards per attempt over that
half decade stretch, he dropped all the way down to
fifteenth last year, he dropped even further to nineteenth this year,
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and if you want to combine the regular season in postseason,
he's sitting right now at seventeenth place in the NFL.
His legacy is secure forever, but I think to overlook
the decline, and there's plenty of contact and that I'm
sure you'll want to get into that. Obviously, the players
at the skill positions aren't what they were five years ago.
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Travis Kelty isn't who he was five years ago. So
by no means am I trying to say that there
are sixteen quarterbacks better than Patrick Mahomes. That's ridiculous. However,
that's not grounds to excuse just how steep of a
decline of what we've seen. And I think it's unintentionally
disrespectful how great Pat was for those first five years
to pretend he's the same quarterback now, well.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
You know right.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
I want you to listen to some comments from Cam
Newton kind of get your thoughts on the other side
of But I think there's some some interesting words he
had to say.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
They'll play a little audio for you.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah, and this is him talking about if he would
trade his MVP for a Super Bowl ring.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Nope, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Because you have to ask it through this lens. That
was a very journalistic viewpoint or vantage point of response.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Stephen A.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I ask you this question, and you know, just to
pose this thought. What's more important impact or championships? You
look at a guy like Alan iverson the words you
you stood up on the table and blah blah blah
blah blah. Everybody's not going to be Michael Jordan. Everybody's
not going to be Patrick Mahomes. Everybody's not going to
be these individuals who have the luxury of saying, hey,
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I not only dominated this sport, but I also have
championships to back it.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Like, let me remind you.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl, Trent Dilfer won a
super Bowl. Respectfully, Nick Foles wonners Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
So yes, when.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
You look at those guys and you say, okay, what's
more important? Would you have preferred to win a Super Bowl?
I think that that's the humble approach. But if we're
being honest, the impact of you holding yourself accountable to
say everybody has a responsibility to do. And you could say,
as an MVP Award winner or All American, you've hailed
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yourself or you've held your end of the bargain down.
And that's what it really comes down to it for me.
I know that's not the popular pick. I know I'm
trying to be popularized, but my take is I'm taking
individual success because I did my job. Football is not
about one guy trying to do eleven jobs. It's eleven
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gys doing one job. And if everybody does their job,
best famous words of our coach Belichick, just.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Do your job, do it. What are your thoughts on that, Ryan?
Speaker 6 (12:01):
I think it's the best take Cam Newton has ever
had and he's had a lot of good ones. It's refreshing. Yeah,
it's refreshing to hear an honest perspective from somebody who's
reached the absolute venus of the sport, being an AP
First team All Pro selection and the MVP of the
league in twenty fifteen. Obviously, and I'm sure Nick you
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could attest to this too. Almost every player, almost every player,
maybe Cam is in the minority here, would choose to
have the Super Bowl ring over the MVP trophy because
you're immortalized forever. It also expands opportunities for you in
your post playing career because you are deified as that
Super Bowl champion. Cam Newton twenty fifteen was the league's MVP.
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Peyton Manning is the greatest player in the history of
professional football in terms of dominance at the marquee position
in football. Far and away. The worst year of his
playing career was the year he beat Cam Newton in
Super Bowl fifty. And I think that tells you everything
that you need to hear about what a Super Bowl win,
what a Super Bowl ring can me. Now that's the
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extreme end of the spectrum. He also won a Super
Bowl in two thousand and six, when he was a
first team or rather Dregrees stopped it for First Team
All Pro selection, but Manning should have been to pick
that year to win an MVP or an ap first
Team All Pro selection. I charted all twenty four selections
over the last twenty four years, and we can expand
that now. You know, Lamar is the first Team All
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Pro and I'm confident he'll be named MVP again as well.
In twenty five years, there have only ever been two
quarterbacks who have won the Super Bowl has had a
better adjusted net yards per attempt average regular season plus postseason.
The two exceptions are Pat Mahomes in twenty nineteen he
finished number one, where mar was the MVP finished number five,
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and then in two thousand and nine Drew Brees by
the league Peyton Manning finished fifth. So the same certain
difference there in every other situation. The first Team All
Pro selection topped the Super Bowl winner, and that's combining
regular season in postseason performance. So of course as a
player you want to have that ring, But in terms
of what you contributed to your team's chances of winning,
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which is doing your job at your specific position. There's
no question that winning a league MVP award is far
more reflective of greatness at the position than winning the
Super Bowls. And Patrick Mahomes as a league MVP in
two and eight team compared to Patrick Mahomes assuming he
wins the Super Bowl this year, are two completely different players.
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I'm sure the twenty twenty four to twenty five version
of Patrick Mahomes is probably going to be a happier
Patrick Mahomes. But there's no question in my mind, Grant
which quarterback was the better of the two.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Well, one thing I'll say about you, Ryan is you
always have the numbers to back up your arguments.
Speaker 8 (14:48):
Man.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Great job as always.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
We appreciate your time as always, and we'll talk to
you next week.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Okay, sound good guys. Thanks Ry. Well, what do you
make of that Nick?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
As a former player, how do you agree with Ryan
that that's a great take from Cam Newton?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Yeah? I do.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
And the reason I believe it because when you win
the Super Bowl, that's kind of a team thing and
that's what you always strive to do. But when you
win that MVP, that's saying that you were the best
player of all the top players in the league, and
I know that that's not a super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
But that still is a defining moment when you look.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
At how we evaluate quarterbacks, how we break them down,
and usually we look at them based on the fact
of did that quarterback play in the Super Bowls? You
on the winning team and Cam listed out a couple
of quarterbacks who were on winning teams, but they were
not the main guy. They were not the reason why
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Brad Johnson that you know, look think about Nick Foles,
like you said, they were not the main reason the
team got that. They were a part of it. But
to when offensive MVP at the quarterback position, that said
that you were the best quarterback of all the other
third to one quarterbacks. So at the end of the day, yes,
would you like a Super Bowl? But you can tell
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your kids for that year, in that year alone, I
was the best player in the entire league. There's a
lot to say, in a lot of validation behind that.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, And I guess that goes that's that's a part
of your legacy forever, and that's something that can never
be taken away from you.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
So I guess I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I was against it at first, but you and Ryan
you might have convinced.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Me the other week I think maybe.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
So.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
You know, then that's why we love having Ryan on.
You know, he has the stats to back up everything
he says.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
We got ahead a break.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
We'll be back with the NFL six pack right after this.
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Speaker 1 (17:10):
All right, Nick, Before the break, we played that Cam
Newton sound from first take, and uh, you agreed with
Ryan that you thought that he was right that he
should not trade his MVP for a Super Bowl ring
and on the Common Spirit health text line text from
the seven to one to nine super Bowl ring is
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the way to go. I think that's a lot how
a lot of fans feel. Tell me why again, you
think that he was in the right for saying what
he said?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
All right?
Speaker 4 (17:38):
So really, quickly, So both of those are really challenging
to achieve a Super Bowl and an MVP. Right, I
would argue that there are less individuals in the NFL
past and present, even.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
In the future that will have an opportunity to.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Be the MVP of the league because that list is
so short, and your name is on that list, that
puts you a step above some of these other individuals,
not not to kind of knock them down for what
they achieved, but very few guys get the chance to
say I'm a super Bowl champion. You take that slice
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it down even more. Very few guys get the chance
to say I'm the MVP of anything.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Right, Yeah, And you think about it, I mean what,
there's fifty three guys on an active roster in the NFL.
That means at least fifty three guys are getting a
Super Bowl ring every year and only one person MVP.
Where I will commend Cam Newton for this, man, I
think he's going to be a star in the media.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
He says the quiet part.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Out loud a lot of times, and that's refreshing to hear.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Well, yeah, I mean once again, I mean Cam has
always been somewhat of a very outspoken guy, but also
to some kind of like controversial at times.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Yeah, you know, maybe whining at times for.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Whatever work, it works for him in this particular way,
So I'm happy for him.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Okay, So let me we saved this conversation from the
break for on Eric because I just thought it was
so interesting and you did as well. But let me
run down some quarterbacks now, the top quarterbacks of our
league right now? Patrick Mahomes, Is he trading any of
his three Super Bowl rings for an MVP?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Nope, because he's already experienced what being in the super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Means and he's already won an MVP.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Okay. How about Lamar Jackson, probably going to be the
three time.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
MVP here in the next couple of weeks. Would he
trade an MVP for a Super Bowl ring?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Sold?
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Okay? How about Josh Allen who's never done both? Hell
oh yeah, he salled it for the super Bowl ring?
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yes, hear me, sell us pinky too.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
What do you think he wants more? First? Does he
want the MVP or does he want the super Bowl ring?
Speaker 4 (19:51):
He wants the super Bowl you know why? He becomes
a god in Buffalo. He would now have achieved something
that his predecessor, Jim Kelly did four times.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Yeah, and did not achieve.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I guess that is a special circumstance. Right in Buffalo,
a franchise that has such a diehard fan base with
Bill's Mafia, and they've never they've been so close so
many what was it wide, right, and they've been so
close so many times. And then those couple of games
Josh Allen has.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Had right down to the wire with Patrick Mahomes. I
guess that's kind of a special circumstance.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Absolutely, you would.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
What about my guy Joe Burr, I think he would too.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah, I think he would too, because he's a team guy.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Well well yeah, but the idea is that in Cincinnati,
who's achieved that they've been there before.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
That's another Yeah, that's another one.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
I remember watching the San Francisco versus Cincinnati in Cincinnati
losing that one.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Yeah, once again, it's.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
About you are forever immortalized in that franchise. Think about
John Elway, right, Yeah, I mean Peyton did win one, right,
but John, that's different.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah. This one for Pat there you go, and.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
The next one, this one's for job. Yeah. Yeah, those
are special moments. Man, real quick, before we get to
the NFL six pack.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Who do you do you think Lamar's winning the MVP?
You think Josh Allen stands a chance to I.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Think Lamar has done enough to win it.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
And it's unfair because both guys have been spectacular.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I would even throw a Saqual.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Barkley in it, but the league would not allow running
back to do that because that would change the whole landscape.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Yeah, oh pro football.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Well, and we're going to talk a little bit about
that tomorrow when Phil Mlonney's filling in for Ben and
you're going to be on with him about how the
how the running back the mindset around the running back
position may be changing in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
But right now, let's go ahead and get to the
NFL six pack. It's time for the NFL six pack.
I'm going to take a lot of insight and insight
information you can't find anywhere else I know, six the
top six NFL headlines.
Speaker 9 (21:57):
On Starting off here with a little bit of a
Super Bowl story. The Kansas City Chiefs have announced they're
wearing white.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
For the Super Bowl.
Speaker 9 (22:08):
Philadelphia Eagles will be in their standard home green uniforms.
Seven of the last ten Super Bowl winners where their
road white jerseys. Sixty four percent of all Super Bowl
winners have worn that road white jersey.
Speaker 8 (22:24):
Of course, the Broncos have only.
Speaker 9 (22:25):
Had their Super Bowl wins in the white, except for
the one in the Navy. I guess do you put
any stock in this idea that the white jersey is
lucky in the Super Bowl or do you think it's
all nonsense.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
I think there's something to that mentally, because when you
think about the success of the Kansas City Chiefs, they've
had a lot of success in those white uniforms. And
as a coach and as a player, you play into
the mental part of the game, and you want to
make sure your team walks in with a certain level
of confidence, even though the game may dictate otherwise. You
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gotta start out the game. Would giving your team somewhat
of a mental advantage.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, I'm like Yogi Bearra, I'm not superstitious, but I'm
a little stitious. And if these numbers keep adding up
this way seven of the last ten. If I was
the Eagles and I saw this stat I'm like, we're
definitely wearing white, right, like we got to, especially, like
you said, with all the success the Chiefs have had,
and they're away white uniforms as well.
Speaker 8 (23:21):
You're on the Chiefs point.
Speaker 9 (23:22):
If you want to get really dishonest without your framing
these statistics, you could say the Chiefs in this Mahomes
era haven't won a super Bowl in regulation in the rets.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
They were the Reds last year. But of course whatever
two next one here?
Speaker 9 (23:37):
Going away from the super Bowl to the other end
of the spectrum, Joe Shane said yesterday that the New
York Giants are open to anything with the third overall
pick in this year's draft, despite it being widely speculated
they're probably gonna draft a quarterback, or at least they're
zeroed in on the top two quarterbacks in this year's draft.
Speaker 8 (23:55):
Do you believe him or do you think.
Speaker 9 (23:57):
This is just a standard GM's line during season, This is.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
A standard pre draft evaluation. From the conversation to Joe's
ideas that you're trying to force other teams to make
moves to put you in position.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
So later on, when you select.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
The god, even though that might not be your god,
what you tell a fan base, guess what we got
our God? It's always kind of a line. Well, I
think what Joe Shane should be thinking about, is that
you pay the quarterback when you decided not to pay
your runner back who's now in.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
The Super Bowl. I think you should be thinking about that.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
I mentioned earlier Cam saying the quiet part out loud,
and Joe Shane certainly did that on Hard Knocks earlier
this year. And man, I do believe them though. I
think they have to be opened to anything. Like Benjamin
Albright said earlier when we were talking to him live
from the Senior Bowl, I mean, that's kind of a
weak draft class for quarterbacks, So maybe they are open
to anything. And maybe that's where Travis Hunner ends up.
Speaker 10 (24:55):
Free next one for you here, Kirk, this is the
time where people might end up Kirk Cousins and Aaron
Rodgers both likely, it seems so, to hit the open
market again after they were a highly coveted free agency.
Speaker 8 (25:09):
A year ago.
Speaker 9 (25:10):
Where do you think those two quarterbacks land this year
or do you think they're out of the NFL entirely
in twenty twenty five?
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Paul, To answer your question, what do I think they
should land? On the sofa?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
That's the best place for them, because I mean, both
quarterbacks have been really playing well. And Kirk Cousin, man,
he keeps getting the bag everywhere can go.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Yeah, man, I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Good for him in that regard, but for the fan
base that he's playing for, it's not great for them
because the teams really they don't.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Only get anywhere.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
And then the fact that you are pay to obsorbed
amount of money only to big bitch later on, and
the team is now trying to figure out, well, what
do we do at our quarterback position? Knowing is that
we got to get rid of Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Now Michael Pennick steps in there.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
So both of those guys just retire, sit on a
sofa and just enjoy the game.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Well, I'm one of the few people who still likes
Aaron Rodgers, and I would like to see him end
up with the San Francisco forty nine ers. I heard
a rumor that they are not looking to pay brock
Purty fifty million dollars a year.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
I think you get one year out of Aaron Rodgers,
see what you can do with that lineup.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And as for Kirk Cousins, I'd like to see him
go to either the Cleveland Browns or the Las Vegas Raiders.
And I think if he goes to the Cleveland Browns,
the curse of the QB room there just connect.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I mean, you already got Rock Purty.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
I mean the forty nine has been pippoing in for
the past couple of years, you know, with him being
mistery relevant. The idea that you pay the guy he's
got you to Super Bowls even though you didn't win,
but you would rather go and pay a guy who's
from California a dissorbed amount of money. Once again, you're
paying Aaron Rodgers, Well you could pay a younger.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Guy with the longest chef life.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
You're paying Brock Pirty fifty million a year.
Speaker 9 (26:48):
Yes, okay, and it is Aaron Rodgers even better than
him at this point in his career.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
I think that's a great question for.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
Jordan Schultz talking.
Speaker 9 (26:59):
About are reported yesterday rather that Eagles offensive coordinator Kellen
Moore is the leader in the clubhouse for the Saints
head coaching job. This comes after Mike McCarthy reportedly withdrew
his name for a consideration. Joe Brady as well, what
do you think of this pairing between More and the Saints.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
See, I don't know how long this relationship will will
last because think about this, You had Aaron Glenn who
coached there was just like, no, I'm out, and then
Mike McCarthy says, you know what, I'll wait and sit
out an entire year and wait the twenty twenty six.
So if you got two guys who were interviewed for
head coaching jobs that are both saying well, one has
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a job, the other is opting out, I don't know how.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Long the leash is going to be for Killer Moore.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Oh, by the way, he's done a fantastic job with
Jalen Hurts in Philadelphia, So I hope he's not a
one and done with Killer Moore, but maybe he should
take a really deep guy before he looks aside in
the long term contract with the Saints.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Yeah, I'm Kellen Moore. I'm not even taking this job.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I'm pulling the Cliff Kingsbury card and I'm staying with
my team another year build up. I mean, there's gonna
be like there as every year, seven or eight coaching
openings at the end of next year, and you could
be put in a lot better situation than what they
got going on down there in New.
Speaker 9 (28:14):
Orleans and Philly's a strong enough situation, you think it
probably doesn't.
Speaker 8 (28:18):
Oh, all go terrible for you and you hurt your.
Speaker 9 (28:21):
Own stock by sitting around that Saints shot. It seems
like the Texans a few years back, when you might
hire a David.
Speaker 8 (28:26):
Coley Er.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Five.
Speaker 9 (28:31):
Mike McCarthy just speaking about him here, he said he
will be sitting out the twenty twenty five season and
coaching search rather than take that cursed Saints' job. Do
you what do you think of Mike McCarthy's decision and
do you believe him that this is his choice to
sit out the season rather than him maybe showing up
to the dance and finding out there's no partner for him.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah, there's always a coaching his chance. You go in
for an interview.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
It's not about seeing if the team for two advice?
Do you fit the team? And I mean he's done
enough in his league to just say, okay, you know, well,
I'll sit out, and.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
He's made enough money to be able to do it.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Like Grant said, every single year, there's five six jobs
that are going to be available, So you wait and find.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
The best job for you.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, why not relax for a year, spend some time
with your family, maybe get one of those cushy Yeah,
he's sitting there with JJ Watt and those guys on
Sundays and chopping it up for a year. And you know,
you can learn about a lot about the game when
you set out for a year. So I like this
decision for Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 8 (29:35):
Six last one for you here.
Speaker 9 (29:39):
Going back to the Super Bowl and the Kansas City Chiefs,
they've now won their fifth AFC championship in the past
six years. They're on the verge of their fourth Super
Bowl victory over that same time span, and they could
become the first team in NFL history to three pet
if they beat the Philadelphia Eagles in the Super Bowl.
What will it take in your minds, it's a subjective
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to surpass the Patriots dynasty is the greatest dynasty in
NFL history, and is it even possible to surpass it?
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Well, if you're telling me how the game is going
to be called on Super Bowl Sun.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Be totally honest.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Put that ten file hat on it exactly. That's kind
of big biggest topic. If the game is going to
be called fair, I think Philadelphia has an opportunity to win,
But I mean obviously from a history standpoint, Yeah, you
would like to say that you were alive when such
certain team actually broke NFL history doing the three P
But being a lawyer Broncos fan, I really don't want
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to see that.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
So it's Fly Eagles Fly for me.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah, I think I'd like to see the Eagles win
just because of Sakuon Barkley and all the crap Nick
Sirianni takes there in Philadelphia. But I think if the
Chiefs win the Super Bowl, they're gonna surpass the Patriots
dynasty the first time ever.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
The Patriots never won three in a row.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Well, I mean no, they haven't. But Tom's.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Has more rings, and we'll have more rings before Patrick
Mahomes retires.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
H We don't know that. I mean we hope that,
and so we don't know that Patrick Mahomes is gonna
have seven or eight rings. He could have a three
peez to boot in that.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
No, it's gonna change. What's gonna happen to say they
works win.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Travis Kelcey rides up in the sunset with t Swizzle, Right.
The future of Andy Reid is what he coached. Maybe
another year, maybe hands it over the spags. Yeah, then Mahomes,
who hasn't really looked Mahomes ask a lot of that's
gonna change for Patrick. So if they were to do it,
great for history standpoint. I don't want to see it.
But at the same time, not all good things last forever.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yeah, like they say, all good things come to an end,
just like this show. We got bust Prime time coming
up next. Real quick, we got about thirty seconds left here.
What was your thought on David Shaw also leaving the
Broncos going to the Lions.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
I thought David Shaw is a hell of a coach.
He did a great job with Andrew Luck and propelling
to him and his draft status.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
I got a chance to talk to.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Him brit my scouting internship. Learn a lot about offense
and quarterbacks. So I wish you well in Detroit.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Always rooting for good guys.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Good to see him get another opportunity in the league.
We got bus time time coming up next. Nick, Thanks
so much for letting me sit in with you, man,
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Speaker 3 (32:27):
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Speaker 5 (01:07):
How are you Ryan? Th oh, we got you Ryan, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
An you guys here.
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you real quick. We're having a little issue with the connection.
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There technical difficulties that happens from time to time.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Let's pivot because I brought up this topic with you
earlier about the best advice that you've ever received from
a player, and this was from Patrick Beverly on his
Pat Bev pod, and man, it made me think of
you as a mentor because I know you're great at
given advice.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
You've given me plenty.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
But this is what Pat Bev had to say about
some advice Kawhi Leonard gave him when they were on
the same team.
Speaker 7 (01:49):
And I always like to give kaw wis. He goes
to me a pat you know, slow is pro fifteen
minutes go by text, slowest pro. What would you mean
I took you one way? I took it this way?
What did you mean? He I'm just meaning in life
period of pat mistake siously happens when you rush so
slow as pro and guess what pro is pat?
Speaker 8 (02:09):
You guess right, is slow?
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Did he ive you with the dead Pat?
Speaker 7 (02:13):
We all crazy?
Speaker 8 (02:15):
You just like to show yours.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I love the Kawhia pressure there. But what was the
best advice maybe you got. I know you like to
talk about all the things that Bill Parcells, all the
knowledge he imparted on you. But what was the advice
you ever got from a player or some great advice
you gave to another another player.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Well, so basically, just keep your mouth closed and your
ears and your eyes open, because there's a reason why
we have two eyes and two ears and one mouth.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
That's why God gave it. Because we should talk less
and listen more. And you say that to young players
as they're coming in so they can learn more about
the business of football, because you learn really quickly that
is not exactly how you want vision it before you
got into.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
It, right.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And you know, when you come from a college where
you're now you're the big man on campus, all of
these guys are coming in, you're the best of the
best at your school, and then you're kind of back
at the bottom of the totem pole once you get
into the league and you're with these vets that have
been doing it for years and they have a family
to provide for. This is their job and they take
it seriously and I kind of got to get that
mindset shift right.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
It did, but you know, it really quickly for me
because I was like the small fish, big pond, right.
I didn't take any days off. They had to try
to tell me to slow down. But being around Parcels,
he loved that. It was more like speed up, right,
keep doing it. So he was the worst person to
encourage because I mean I really took full advantage of
because I was not slowing down for anyone because you
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guys have what I want.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
If I slow down, then I'm gonna be on the ounce.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And that's why if you wouldn't have got snub from
the Pro Bowl, you would have been like Sean Taylor
out there going speed. He's I think we have Ryan
Michael back. Ryan, we got you. Got Nick much better
on our end. I don't think that was your fault.
I think that was on us. But thanks for joining
us as always and man four Quarterback Center Championships Sunday,
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Only two walked away with an opportunity to compete in
the Super Bowl of course, one of those teams to do.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
It every year.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And Patrick Mahomes, what kind of impact do you feel
this season's conference championships had on the legacies of the
qbs who played on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
That's a good question.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Gran. I would say all four of them are walking
away just intact. They're doing just fine. Obviously a little
better for Pat and for Jalen. You know, Jade and
Daniels carried Washington to their first posts. Further, I should
say not their first postseason because RG three did that
in twenty twelve, but he carried them further than any
quarterback since Mark Rippen all the way back in nineteen
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ninety one, twenty three years ago. So I'm confident we'll
here in short order they will be named the Associated
Press NFL Offensive Ropie of the Year. Bo Nix, we
could have a discussion about him, but I think the
nod's going to go to Jaden, so he's put together
a fantastic season. Josh Allen second team All Pro selection.
I think that's the right spot for him. And you
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could make an argument that he had an even better
game than Patrick Mahomes in the AFC Championship game if
you consider the caliber defense that he played in Kansas
City against that Chiefs defense. Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
What more can you say?
Speaker 6 (05:23):
Second NFC championship in three seasons, and he joins some
notable Hall of fame company. So I was coming through
the record books earlier this week. He is the sixth
starting quarterback in NFL history drafted outside of the first
round to win multiple conference championships. So he joins Tom
Brady did ten times, Joe Montana four times, Roger Stabeck
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four times, Fran targans In three times, Kurt Warner three times.
Pretty elite company, and Pat Mahomes. Listen, he competed in
his seventh consecutive AFC Championship game, won his fifth, and
now he has a shot joined Brady and Bradshaw's quarterbacks
in NFL history with four more Super Bowl range.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
So when we look at the Super Bowl, we have
two great quarterbacks in this game.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
One is more accolades than the other.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
So the legacy or let me let me rephrase that,
when we look at this game, it's more important to
which quarterbacks Legacy Hurts were Mahomes.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
You know, I'm tempted to say Patrick Mahomes because a
lot of people feel that he is chasing the ghost
of Tom Brady for that spot of greatest of all time,
which I don't believe belongs to Tom Brady. And I
don't think that Mahomes is one Super Bowl a way
of joining that rarefied era either. Obviously, a fourth super
Bowl ring puts him in truly elite company be the
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third person.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
To ever do it.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
But I'd make the argument that there's more at stake
for the legacy of Jalen Hurts. So he played lights
out in the Super Bowl two years ago and Mahomes
was just a little bit better to really be appearing
here in a second super Bowl puts him in rarefied air.
But as we know, winning a Super Bowl makes you
immortal forever. I would argue that Jalen Hurts has put
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together a better season so far this year than Pat Mahomes,
and I think if he walks away with a victory
on Super Bowl Sunday, it'll do a little bit more
for his legacy because Mahomes is already a guaranteed future
first ballot Hall of Fame selection.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Now, Ryan, we know in Broncos country it's a sin
to root for the Chiefs but I'm a fan of
greatness and I like watching anyone when I was one
of those guys that actually enjoyed seeing Tom Brady and
Bill Belichick's run and the Super Bowl era that they had.
But man, is it acceptable for Broncos fans to root
for the Chiefs in the Super Bowl?
Speaker 6 (07:45):
I mean, you have the freedom to root for whoever
you want. I would say, joking Lee, if you're a
Broncos fan, no, And if you work for the Broncos
flagship radio station, Grant, definitely no. Unacceptable, no place for that.
I'll say this as far as far as the fans,
because I'll go to that for Broncos Country as being
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the most passionate fan base in the NFL. I'm sure
Chiefs Kingdom would have something to say about that. But
it's a lot easier to root for a winner. So
when you're appearing now in your fifth Super Bowl and
you have a shot to win your fourth, listen, it's
easy to root for that kind of greatness. And I
think that Patrick Mahomes that she said very difficult not
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pull like them, that they are the AFC West Division rival,
So no, it's not acceptable. One of the frustrating things
for me is the media's refusal to acknowledge the decline
of Patrick Mahomes, and Patrick Mahomes has taken Tom Brady's
spot as the most beloved and marketable player in the
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National Football League, So there's every reason in the world
to want to build up his legacy or to build
up the perception of his legacy. I said this last week.
I think people overlook just how dominant he was for
the first five years of his career, number one in
the NFL, and adjusted net yards per attempt over that
half decade stretch, he dropped all the way down to
fifteenth last year, he dropped even further to nineteenth this year,
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and if you want to combine the regular season in postseason,
he's sitting right now at seventeenth place in the NFL.
His legacy is secure forever, but I think to overlook
the decline, and there's plenty of contact and that I'm
sure you'll want to get into that. Obviously, the players
at the skill positions aren't what they were five years ago.
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Travis Kelty isn't who he was five years ago. So
by no means am I trying to say that there
are sixteen quarterbacks better than Patrick Mahomes. That's ridiculous. However,
that's not grounds to excuse just how steep of a
decline of what we've seen. And I think it's unintentionally
disrespectful how great Pat was for those first five years
to pretend he's the same quarterback now, well.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
You know right.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
I want you to listen to some comments from Cam
Newton kind of get your thoughts on the other side
of But I think there's some some interesting words he
had to say.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
They'll play a little audio for you.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah, and this is him talking about if he would
trade his MVP for a Super Bowl ring.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Nope, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Because you have to ask it through this lens. That
was a very journalistic viewpoint or vantage point of response.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Stephen A.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I ask you this question, and you know, just to
pose this thought. What's more important impact or championships? You
look at a guy like Alan iverson the words you
you stood up on the table and blah blah blah
blah blah. Everybody's not going to be Michael Jordan. Everybody's
not going to be Patrick Mahomes. Everybody's not going to
be these individuals who have the luxury of saying, hey,
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I not only dominated this sport, but I also have
championships to back it.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Like, let me remind you.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl, Trent Dilfer won a
super Bowl. Respectfully, Nick Foles wonners Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
So yes, when.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
You look at those guys and you say, okay, what's
more important? Would you have preferred to win a Super Bowl?
I think that that's the humble approach. But if we're
being honest, the impact of you holding yourself accountable to
say everybody has a responsibility to do. And you could say,
as an MVP Award winner or All American, you've hailed
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yourself or you've held your end of the bargain down.
And that's what it really comes down to it for me.
I know that's not the popular pick. I know I'm
trying to be popularized, but my take is I'm taking
individual success because I did my job. Football is not
about one guy trying to do eleven jobs. It's eleven
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gys doing one job. And if everybody does their job,
best famous words of our coach Belichick, just.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Do your job, do it. What are your thoughts on that, Ryan?
Speaker 6 (12:01):
I think it's the best take Cam Newton has ever
had and he's had a lot of good ones. It's refreshing. Yeah,
it's refreshing to hear an honest perspective from somebody who's
reached the absolute venus of the sport, being an AP
First team All Pro selection and the MVP of the
league in twenty fifteen. Obviously, and I'm sure Nick you
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could attest to this too. Almost every player, almost every player,
maybe Cam is in the minority here, would choose to
have the Super Bowl ring over the MVP trophy because
you're immortalized forever. It also expands opportunities for you in
your post playing career because you are deified as that
Super Bowl champion. Cam Newton twenty fifteen was the league's MVP.
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Peyton Manning is the greatest player in the history of
professional football in terms of dominance at the marquee position
in football. Far and away. The worst year of his
playing career was the year he beat Cam Newton in
Super Bowl fifty. And I think that tells you everything
that you need to hear about what a Super Bowl win,
what a Super Bowl ring can me. Now that's the
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extreme end of the spectrum. He also won a Super
Bowl in two thousand and six, when he was a
first team or rather Dregrees stopped it for First Team
All Pro selection, but Manning should have been to pick
that year to win an MVP or an ap first
Team All Pro selection. I charted all twenty four selections
over the last twenty four years, and we can expand
that now. You know, Lamar is the first Team All
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Pro and I'm confident he'll be named MVP again as well.
In twenty five years, there have only ever been two
quarterbacks who have won the Super Bowl has had a
better adjusted net yards per attempt average regular season plus postseason.
The two exceptions are Pat Mahomes in twenty nineteen he
finished number one, where mar was the MVP finished number five,
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and then in two thousand and nine Drew Brees by
the league Peyton Manning finished fifth. So the same certain
difference there in every other situation. The first Team All
Pro selection topped the Super Bowl winner, and that's combining
regular season in postseason performance. So of course as a
player you want to have that ring, But in terms
of what you contributed to your team's chances of winning,
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which is doing your job at your specific position. There's
no question that winning a league MVP award is far
more reflective of greatness at the position than winning the
Super Bowls. And Patrick Mahomes as a league MVP in
two and eight team compared to Patrick Mahomes assuming he
wins the Super Bowl this year, are two completely different players.
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I'm sure the twenty twenty four to twenty five version
of Patrick Mahomes is probably going to be a happier
Patrick Mahomes. But there's no question in my mind, Grant
which quarterback was the better of the two.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Well, one thing I'll say about you, Ryan is you
always have the numbers to back up your arguments.
Speaker 8 (14:48):
Man.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Great job as always.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
We appreciate your time as always, and we'll talk to
you next week.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Okay, sound good guys. Thanks Ry. Well, what do you
make of that Nick?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
As a former player, how do you agree with Ryan
that that's a great take from Cam Newton?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Yeah? I do.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
And the reason I believe it because when you win
the Super Bowl, that's kind of a team thing and
that's what you always strive to do. But when you
win that MVP, that's saying that you were the best
player of all the top players in the league, and
I know that that's not a super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
But that still is a defining moment when you look.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
At how we evaluate quarterbacks, how we break them down,
and usually we look at them based on the fact
of did that quarterback play in the Super Bowls? You
on the winning team and Cam listed out a couple
of quarterbacks who were on winning teams, but they were
not the main guy. They were not the reason why
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Brad Johnson that you know, look think about Nick Foles,
like you said, they were not the main reason the
team got that. They were a part of it. But
to when offensive MVP at the quarterback position, that said
that you were the best quarterback of all the other
third to one quarterbacks. So at the end of the day, yes,
would you like a Super Bowl? But you can tell
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your kids for that year, in that year alone, I
was the best player in the entire league. There's a
lot to say, in a lot of validation behind that.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, And I guess that goes that's that's a part
of your legacy forever, and that's something that can never
be taken away from you.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
So I guess I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I was against it at first, but you and Ryan
you might have convinced.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Me the other week I think maybe.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
So.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
You know, then that's why we love having Ryan on.
You know, he has the stats to back up everything
he says.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
We got ahead a break.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
We'll be back with the NFL six pack right after this.
I'm Broncos Country Tonight, eight fifty AM ninety four one
FM KOA. I'm Grant Smith hosting Broncos Country Tonight, sitting
in the big chair for Benjamin all Bright alongside Nick Ferguson.
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Speaker 1 (17:10):
All right, Nick, Before the break, we played that Cam
Newton sound from first take, and uh, you agreed with
Ryan that you thought that he was right that he
should not trade his MVP for a Super Bowl ring
and on the Common Spirit health text line text from
the seven to one to nine super Bowl ring is
(17:30):
the way to go. I think that's a lot how
a lot of fans feel. Tell me why again, you
think that he was in the right for saying what
he said?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
All right?
Speaker 4 (17:38):
So really, quickly, So both of those are really challenging
to achieve a Super Bowl and an MVP. Right, I
would argue that there are less individuals in the NFL
past and present, even.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
In the future that will have an opportunity to.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Be the MVP of the league because that list is
so short, and your name is on that list, that
puts you a step above some of these other individuals,
not not to kind of knock them down for what
they achieved, but very few guys get the chance to
say I'm a super Bowl champion. You take that slice
(18:20):
it down even more. Very few guys get the chance
to say I'm the MVP of anything.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Right, Yeah, And you think about it, I mean what,
there's fifty three guys on an active roster in the NFL.
That means at least fifty three guys are getting a
Super Bowl ring every year and only one person MVP.
Where I will commend Cam Newton for this, man, I
think he's going to be a star in the media.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
He says the quiet part.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Out loud a lot of times, and that's refreshing to hear.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Well, yeah, I mean once again, I mean Cam has
always been somewhat of a very outspoken guy, but also
to some kind of like controversial at times.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Yeah, you know, maybe whining at times for.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Whatever work, it works for him in this particular way,
So I'm happy for him.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Okay, So let me we saved this conversation from the
break for on Eric because I just thought it was
so interesting and you did as well. But let me
run down some quarterbacks now, the top quarterbacks of our
league right now? Patrick Mahomes, Is he trading any of
his three Super Bowl rings for an MVP?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Nope, because he's already experienced what being in the super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Means and he's already won an MVP.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Okay. How about Lamar Jackson, probably going to be the
three time.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
MVP here in the next couple of weeks. Would he
trade an MVP for a Super Bowl ring?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Sold?
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Okay? How about Josh Allen who's never done both? Hell
oh yeah, he salled it for the super Bowl ring?
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yes, hear me, sell us pinky too.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
What do you think he wants more? First? Does he
want the MVP or does he want the super Bowl ring?
Speaker 4 (19:51):
He wants the super Bowl you know why? He becomes
a god in Buffalo. He would now have achieved something
that his predecessor, Jim Kelly did four times.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Yeah, and did not achieve.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I guess that is a special circumstance. Right in Buffalo,
a franchise that has such a diehard fan base with
Bill's Mafia, and they've never they've been so close so
many what was it wide, right, and they've been so
close so many times. And then those couple of games
Josh Allen has.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Had right down to the wire with Patrick Mahomes. I
guess that's kind of a special circumstance.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Absolutely, you would.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
What about my guy Joe Burr, I think he would too.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah, I think he would too, because he's a team guy.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Well well yeah, but the idea is that in Cincinnati,
who's achieved that they've been there before.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
That's another Yeah, that's another one.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
I remember watching the San Francisco versus Cincinnati in Cincinnati
losing that one.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Yeah, once again, it's.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
About you are forever immortalized in that franchise. Think about
John Elway, right, Yeah, I mean Peyton did win one, right,
but John, that's different.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah. This one for Pat there you go, and.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
The next one, this one's for job. Yeah. Yeah, those
are special moments. Man, real quick, before we get to
the NFL six pack.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Who do you do you think Lamar's winning the MVP?
You think Josh Allen stands a chance to I.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Think Lamar has done enough to win it.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
And it's unfair because both guys have been spectacular.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I would even throw a Saqual.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Barkley in it, but the league would not allow running
back to do that because that would change the whole landscape.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Yeah, oh pro football.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Well, and we're going to talk a little bit about
that tomorrow when Phil Mlonney's filling in for Ben and
you're going to be on with him about how the
how the running back the mindset around the running back
position may be changing in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
But right now, let's go ahead and get to the
NFL six pack. It's time for the NFL six pack.
I'm going to take a lot of insight and insight
information you can't find anywhere else I know, six the
top six NFL headlines.
Speaker 9 (21:57):
On Starting off here with a little bit of a
Super Bowl story. The Kansas City Chiefs have announced they're
wearing white.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
For the Super Bowl.
Speaker 9 (22:08):
Philadelphia Eagles will be in their standard home green uniforms.
Seven of the last ten Super Bowl winners where their
road white jerseys. Sixty four percent of all Super Bowl
winners have worn that road white jersey.
Speaker 8 (22:24):
Of course, the Broncos have only.
Speaker 9 (22:25):
Had their Super Bowl wins in the white, except for
the one in the Navy. I guess do you put
any stock in this idea that the white jersey is
lucky in the Super Bowl or do you think it's
all nonsense.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
I think there's something to that mentally, because when you
think about the success of the Kansas City Chiefs, they've
had a lot of success in those white uniforms. And
as a coach and as a player, you play into
the mental part of the game, and you want to
make sure your team walks in with a certain level
of confidence, even though the game may dictate otherwise. You
(22:58):
gotta start out the game. Would giving your team somewhat
of a mental advantage.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, I'm like Yogi Bearra, I'm not superstitious, but I'm
a little stitious. And if these numbers keep adding up
this way seven of the last ten. If I was
the Eagles and I saw this stat I'm like, we're
definitely wearing white, right, like we got to, especially, like
you said, with all the success the Chiefs have had,
and they're away white uniforms as well.
Speaker 8 (23:21):
You're on the Chiefs point.
Speaker 9 (23:22):
If you want to get really dishonest without your framing
these statistics, you could say the Chiefs in this Mahomes
era haven't won a super Bowl in regulation in the rets.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
They were the Reds last year. But of course whatever
two next one here?
Speaker 9 (23:37):
Going away from the super Bowl to the other end
of the spectrum, Joe Shane said yesterday that the New
York Giants are open to anything with the third overall
pick in this year's draft, despite it being widely speculated
they're probably gonna draft a quarterback, or at least they're
zeroed in on the top two quarterbacks in this year's draft.
Speaker 8 (23:55):
Do you believe him or do you think.
Speaker 9 (23:57):
This is just a standard GM's line during season, This is.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
A standard pre draft evaluation. From the conversation to Joe's
ideas that you're trying to force other teams to make
moves to put you in position.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
So later on, when you select.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
The god, even though that might not be your god,
what you tell a fan base, guess what we got
our God? It's always kind of a line. Well, I
think what Joe Shane should be thinking about, is that
you pay the quarterback when you decided not to pay
your runner back who's now in.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
The Super Bowl. I think you should be thinking about that.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
I mentioned earlier Cam saying the quiet part out loud,
and Joe Shane certainly did that on Hard Knocks earlier
this year. And man, I do believe them though. I
think they have to be opened to anything. Like Benjamin
Albright said earlier when we were talking to him live
from the Senior Bowl, I mean, that's kind of a
weak draft class for quarterbacks, So maybe they are open
to anything. And maybe that's where Travis Hunner ends up.
Speaker 10 (24:55):
Free next one for you here, Kirk, this is the
time where people might end up Kirk Cousins and Aaron
Rodgers both likely, it seems so, to hit the open
market again after they were a highly coveted free agency.
Speaker 8 (25:09):
A year ago.
Speaker 9 (25:10):
Where do you think those two quarterbacks land this year
or do you think they're out of the NFL entirely
in twenty twenty five?
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Paul, To answer your question, what do I think they
should land? On the sofa?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
That's the best place for them, because I mean, both
quarterbacks have been really playing well. And Kirk Cousin, man,
he keeps getting the bag everywhere can go.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Yeah, man, I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Good for him in that regard, but for the fan
base that he's playing for, it's not great for them
because the teams really they don't.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Only get anywhere.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
And then the fact that you are pay to obsorbed
amount of money only to big bitch later on, and
the team is now trying to figure out, well, what
do we do at our quarterback position? Knowing is that
we got to get rid of Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Now Michael Pennick steps in there.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
So both of those guys just retire, sit on a
sofa and just enjoy the game.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Well, I'm one of the few people who still likes
Aaron Rodgers, and I would like to see him end
up with the San Francisco forty nine ers. I heard
a rumor that they are not looking to pay brock
Purty fifty million dollars a year.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
I think you get one year out of Aaron Rodgers,
see what you can do with that lineup.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And as for Kirk Cousins, I'd like to see him
go to either the Cleveland Browns or the Las Vegas Raiders.
And I think if he goes to the Cleveland Browns,
the curse of the QB room there just connect.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I mean, you already got Rock Purty.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
I mean the forty nine has been pippoing in for
the past couple of years, you know, with him being
mistery relevant. The idea that you pay the guy he's
got you to Super Bowls even though you didn't win,
but you would rather go and pay a guy who's
from California a dissorbed amount of money. Once again, you're
paying Aaron Rodgers, Well you could pay a younger.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Guy with the longest chef life.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
You're paying Brock Pirty fifty million a year.
Speaker 9 (26:48):
Yes, okay, and it is Aaron Rodgers even better than
him at this point in his career.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
I think that's a great question for.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
Jordan Schultz talking.
Speaker 9 (26:59):
About are reported yesterday rather that Eagles offensive coordinator Kellen
Moore is the leader in the clubhouse for the Saints
head coaching job. This comes after Mike McCarthy reportedly withdrew
his name for a consideration. Joe Brady as well, what
do you think of this pairing between More and the Saints.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
See, I don't know how long this relationship will will
last because think about this, You had Aaron Glenn who
coached there was just like, no, I'm out, and then
Mike McCarthy says, you know what, I'll wait and sit
out an entire year and wait the twenty twenty six.
So if you got two guys who were interviewed for
head coaching jobs that are both saying well, one has
(27:40):
a job, the other is opting out, I don't know how.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Long the leash is going to be for Killer Moore.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Oh, by the way, he's done a fantastic job with
Jalen Hurts in Philadelphia, So I hope he's not a
one and done with Killer Moore, but maybe he should
take a really deep guy before he looks aside in
the long term contract with the Saints.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Yeah, I'm Kellen Moore. I'm not even taking this job.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I'm pulling the Cliff Kingsbury card and I'm staying with
my team another year build up. I mean, there's gonna
be like there as every year, seven or eight coaching
openings at the end of next year, and you could
be put in a lot better situation than what they
got going on down there in New.
Speaker 9 (28:14):
Orleans and Philly's a strong enough situation, you think it
probably doesn't.
Speaker 8 (28:18):
Oh, all go terrible for you and you hurt your.
Speaker 9 (28:21):
Own stock by sitting around that Saints shot. It seems
like the Texans a few years back, when you might
hire a David.
Speaker 8 (28:26):
Coley Er.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Five.
Speaker 9 (28:31):
Mike McCarthy just speaking about him here, he said he
will be sitting out the twenty twenty five season and
coaching search rather than take that cursed Saints' job. Do
you what do you think of Mike McCarthy's decision and
do you believe him that this is his choice to
sit out the season rather than him maybe showing up
to the dance and finding out there's no partner for him.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah, there's always a coaching his chance. You go in
for an interview.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
It's not about seeing if the team for two advice?
Do you fit the team? And I mean he's done
enough in his league to just say, okay, you know, well,
I'll sit out, and.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
He's made enough money to be able to do it.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Like Grant said, every single year, there's five six jobs
that are going to be available, So you wait and find.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
The best job for you.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, why not relax for a year, spend some time
with your family, maybe get one of those cushy Yeah,
he's sitting there with JJ Watt and those guys on
Sundays and chopping it up for a year. And you know,
you can learn about a lot about the game when
you set out for a year. So I like this
decision for Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 8 (29:35):
Six last one for you here.
Speaker 9 (29:39):
Going back to the Super Bowl and the Kansas City Chiefs,
they've now won their fifth AFC championship in the past
six years. They're on the verge of their fourth Super
Bowl victory over that same time span, and they could
become the first team in NFL history to three pet
if they beat the Philadelphia Eagles in the Super Bowl.
What will it take in your minds, it's a subjective
(30:00):
to surpass the Patriots dynasty is the greatest dynasty in
NFL history, and is it even possible to surpass it?
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Well, if you're telling me how the game is going
to be called on Super Bowl Sun.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Be totally honest.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Put that ten file hat on it exactly. That's kind
of big biggest topic. If the game is going to
be called fair, I think Philadelphia has an opportunity to win,
But I mean obviously from a history standpoint, Yeah, you
would like to say that you were alive when such
certain team actually broke NFL history doing the three P
But being a lawyer Broncos fan, I really don't want
(30:36):
to see that.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
So it's Fly Eagles Fly for me.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah, I think I'd like to see the Eagles win
just because of Sakuon Barkley and all the crap Nick
Sirianni takes there in Philadelphia. But I think if the
Chiefs win the Super Bowl, they're gonna surpass the Patriots
dynasty the first time ever.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
The Patriots never won three in a row.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Well, I mean no, they haven't. But Tom's.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Has more rings, and we'll have more rings before Patrick
Mahomes retires.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
H We don't know that. I mean we hope that,
and so we don't know that Patrick Mahomes is gonna
have seven or eight rings. He could have a three
peez to boot in that.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
No, it's gonna change. What's gonna happen to say they
works win.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Travis Kelcey rides up in the sunset with t Swizzle, Right.
The future of Andy Reid is what he coached. Maybe
another year, maybe hands it over the spags. Yeah, then Mahomes,
who hasn't really looked Mahomes ask a lot of that's
gonna change for Patrick. So if they were to do it,
great for history standpoint. I don't want to see it.
But at the same time, not all good things last forever.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yeah, like they say, all good things come to an end,
just like this show. We got bust Prime time coming
up next. Real quick, we got about thirty seconds left here.
What was your thought on David Shaw also leaving the
Broncos going to the Lions.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
I thought David Shaw is a hell of a coach.
He did a great job with Andrew Luck and propelling
to him and his draft status.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
I got a chance to talk to.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Him brit my scouting internship. Learn a lot about offense
and quarterbacks. So I wish you well in Detroit.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Always rooting for good guys.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Good to see him get another opportunity in the league.
We got bus time time coming up next. Nick, Thanks
so much for letting me sit in with you, man,
it was a lot of fun. You've been listening to
the Broncos country tonight on KOA eight fifty am ninety
four to one FM. You know I have a tradition
down here where I
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Eat the one third pound booger
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