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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Steven Attwaterhoff.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Who in the building. What's going on?
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Now?
Speaker 3 (00:04):
It's your world, that's your world. I'm paying ready to
live in it. I'm a little like this month too.
This world A healthy guy. Well, that's the thing. So
Dick comes in here. I come in here trying to
be healthy with the snack, and Nick just comes in
here and just shows me up. He's like, I got
the organic what is one of those pistachios.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Organic sea salt the pistashios?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
And I'm like, I got the sugar coated mister planters.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
See, first of all, he said, two things that really
don't match, almost like mixing oil and water or vodking milk.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
He mentioned ben and.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Healthy again, I'm back on the dot.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I'm telling you I waked down a mobile I hadn't.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I got got my fill with the sugar West Burger.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
For those of you who don't know what that is.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
That is a burger smothered in cherry doctor pepper barbecue
sauce with brown sugar bacon on top, a slab of
sharp cheddar cheese, caramelized onions, sandwiched in between.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Two sugar donuts. You can eat that.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
And then I had ever bite delicious.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
You know, I'm not feeling this teacher.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I'm not an English teacher, but English teachers would always
say never to use double negatives. And Ben and help
double negatives.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
It's funny.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I actually like, that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I grew up super healthy, Like my dad was was
the big like organic food guy before that was even
a thing. Like they didn't have all these grocery stores
back in the you know, the early ladies and all
that stuff. We had to go these weird, out of
the way grocery stores. And you'd be like, if you're like,
what happened?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
So what you say you grew up that way? When
did a curve?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
You know?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Ben is one of those guys who if you're trying
to go left, he's gonna go right.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
No. See, Ben is the type of person there's a
fork in the road, he wants to drive straight right
or you're going right.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Trying to lose a little weight, get back to being
you know, you know, put on a few pounds over
the last month or two, and so try to lose
little weight and the knock the carbs off. So I'm
trying to eat these, but I got a sweet tooth,
so I'm trying to do these honey roasted peanuts because
they don't have like very they don't have very much
sugar or any of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
And them, you know, it's honey on the on the peanuts.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Honey on the peanuts.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So is that satisfying your sweet too?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I mean look an again, salt on it too? Yeah?
Do you want to try something? Is there a multidectrin
in that? Let's find out hold on malto dextrin. I
do not see that in the You gotta be cawful.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Peanuts, peanut oil, honey, sea salt, fruit toast, not high
fruit tos, corn syrup, just fruit toast.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
What kind what kind of oil in it? Uh?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Peanut peanut oil in the peanuts, which you would expect.
If I saw coconut oil in there, I'll be little
weird out, like wait what, well, you.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Know what I would prefer like an avocado oil or
coconut oil instead of a transfast well, instead of a
seed oil, right, because seed oils are not good for it.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
If you look at your peanuts and you got I
got I got palm oil here.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, this is the this is the stuff people tuned
in for. No oil is in here. It's pistachios, organic
sea salt.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
That's it, just saying this is a step forward for me,
all right, a step forward.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I'm not eating donuts. He's showing you up. He's got
the healthier. No, he's always showing me up. He still
he comes. This dude came in here with a whole
roasted chicken one time. What did you have? I like that.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I found it a religious I'm just trying to set
an example, Steve.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I mean, for me with with the injuries, I have
an inflammation. I gotta be careful what I eat.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Man, hang man, that's right, nig like you know, and
see I'm mortals, so that's whatever you know.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I was on the plane up the baky.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yes see, nig back everything boy, sounded like a kaya
song for a minute there. I thought I was gonna
have to leap your microphone.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Hey, that's listen, that's real, that's real. Talk my neck
in my back right, What is about the song?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Oh, he knows.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Exactly what it was. He looked right at me, look
at it right now. He knows exactly what it is.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Right there, c G, I now, c G, I this
is real voice.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
He knows exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Find set six year old text line, change the subthing
to anything.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Please come before I get myself in trouble here somebody's
asking there's a smoke around Cooper Cup. We'll get into
that conversation here a little bit later. Super Bowl week.
We're on the Super Bowl Week and see, uh, obviously
we've got the Super Ko eight week covers down there
with Anthony Rodriguez. We'll get you guys with some audio
throughout the show. On that, Steve, you've been to a few
superowl nixt you obvious play play in the plaoff.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
But Steve, you've been a few Super Bowls?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
How different is that atmosphere even to any other game,
much less a playoff game.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Everything is crazy leading up to it. That's when all
the distractions are But hey, once once the once the
kickoff starts, Hey, is it's just the biggest game of
the year, and for most of the biggest game of
their lives. And uh, the two Super Bowls that I
played in, well, the three were certainly that the first one,
you know, it was you know, took a butt whooping,
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had to learn from it.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
But don't you think that was I mean, obviously you
want to win everything, but don't you think that helped
to motivate the rest?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
No, okay, it just it just sucked.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Last night, you know how the fact that you know,
we don't like losing. Yeah you would you rather you
love to win or hate to lose? Person?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Oh man, that's uh, I love the win.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
Oh see? Where Yeah, we different hate to lose. I
hate to lose. Hate hate it like we lose it
as a part of it. Is a part of it,
you know. I mean, you don't lose it at the
highest level.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
You know you you hate to work so hard and
get there right to where you want to be, and then.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
You're so close you talk about losing regular season game.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I hate.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
You're a lot further away than you thought.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
That's whatever, But it seems after you answer that, it
seems like you saw with Ben and I like, like you,
you hate losing. Yeah, everyone enjoys winning, but it's like
you you really.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
In the moment, Yeah, definitely, But it's a part of it.
I want a bunch of whether win and lo lives everybody.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Everyone, But but the fact of losing at anything, I mean,
I hated it. As a kid to my older brother
losing in paper football, flipping coins against the wall.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I absolutely hated it.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, you come it around, come around.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I do not like and winds don't sustain me, like
they don't like a win. Okay, I want next, But
you lose, boy, I'm sitting with that for like, I'm
sitting with that for a while. Low, it doesn't matter
what I'm losing. You walking to and off the light
switch and I lost it.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, but in life, though, you've got to learn how
to handle the ls.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, but it is. But it's the idea. Yeah, being
always with that legally changed my demendment always right.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
It always says that because he had two l's in
his name anyway, so that tells you l's right.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I was born with you. Yes, I was like, you're good.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I'm not going to say break, but think about it.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Is it's those losses that catapults you forward because they
present an idea of desperation. When you guys played the
New York Jets, right, and the Jets had that lead
and then all of a sudden they started turning the
ball over, it was an idea like, oh wow, it's
turned the ball. It was sting in because right, because
(07:52):
the ideas have that this could be John's last game
in this it's just come on everything. But the issue guys.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Were maybe before the game, Oh yeah, man, we know
we don't want to return.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
So when you guys were down in that game, no, nobody,
nobody thought about, man, may last game.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Man, we got to pick it up.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
No, bro, nobody like we're losing, we got to pick
it up.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
We didn't say that.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
No.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, wait, we just do what we do. What we do, Okay,
that's fair. It is do what we do, don't do
It doesn't change anything up in terns of Super Bowl
Week overall, though there are and especially now maybe even
more so than then, distractions Oh throughout the week.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I mean it's a Brillian It's it's everywhere. And we've
seen that manifested self.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
As a matter of fact, you participated in Super Bowl
where you saw that manifest itself.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
It was the other side of the field.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Robinson like, yeah, I mean, how difficult is it as
a player to stay dialed in on what you're there for.
It should be easy because we were on a schedule
and we obviously had a little bit of free time.
But man, so do you chalk that up to coaching
to keep you on schedule and keep you you know,
otherwise whoever's taking rooms to make sure that you're in
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that room. And uh, you know we had we had curfew, bro.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And when I heard about it, I'm like, what.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
How's they even out of the hotel?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
How did they get out? What happened?
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Like they they must have some some leaves in their security.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Apparently they did.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I mean look, yeah, I mean I don't know.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
And we've seen other situations where that sort of stuff
has occurred to Barret Robbins the Raiders Center versus in
the Super Bowl against Tampa. I don't know how many
people know about that story or whatever?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
You got the well, wait where he went to, like uh,
Mexico or whatever?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yes, I remember that story, come on missing.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Yeah he went to Mexico whatever it is, Yeah, because
San Diego is that there? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, yeah, across the board.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
So he went across the border and really got missing
and stayed yeah okay, yes, he stayed there happily.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Okay, yeah, in the in the mold that he was in.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Oh yeah, it must have been.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, he when he came when he came back, he
resurfaced that night before the day before the Super Bowl.
He showed up on the eve of the super Boy
showed back up. Didn't even recognize his head coach. He
was so incoherent. Hey, and Al Davis still wanted to play,
as have been a good, good player. He had developmental
coach will Willie Brown made him run sprints in the
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parking lot to see if he could still play.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Oh, come on, bro, that he did not pass.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
He couldn't do it.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
That's think about that time of year is the super Bowl.
It's the biggest game of your career. How could anyone
be willing to just sacrifice and throw away everything that
you have, you know, done to get to that point.
It's beyond me. I can't even understand that same here
and apparently you said Al Davis want to play.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Davis wanted to play because's game of the season.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Do you got our best pleasent the lather stuff? Yeah, well,
I'm gonna get on after the game.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Well, they compromised on having him run sprints as a
conditioning test to see if he could play, and he
fell over invomited on himself.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
The first thing he asked, Yes, I'll tell you what
if you, uh, put all once people throw a running
tests at the end of the year like that, they might.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah, well you got a few of them that going anyway,
That's not the worst trouble he got in. I mean
he later on, you know, a couple of years later
he got into I mean, he was an addict, you know,
and he wound up he was shot three times in
a brawl with Miami Miami police.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
So yeah, he went.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
You know, he's He's had quite a few incidents over
the years. Last the last one I remember was four
or five years ago. He left some restaurant in Florida
without paying for the bill, and the employee followed him,
and uh, he throw a rock at the employee and
then the police arrested him.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
That was four or five years ago.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
So and you know, having played the game and having
seen what so many guys go through, I mean, I
never make fun of guys for that type of thing,
because I mean, many times, this is a serious problem
I've been trying to make.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
There's no point that there are distractions out there, plenty
of them available, and guys who want to find them
find ways to find them.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Oh yeah, well, yeah, you're gonna you know, people wanna
do what they what they've been doing, right, I mean
they they've been going out the night before the game.
Guess what, the super Bowl night is not gonna change it.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Your vices are your vices, and some people I mean
can't overcome it.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I mean that's why we have that term addiction.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
But it is crazy though, to think, like, Bro, the
biggest game of the season, would you do it now?
The sacrifices we've made, we've all made throughout the year,
and now you're putting it all in jeopardy because player,
because you want to have some type of selfish satisfaction.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
That's crazy because but because at that point, your story
becomes the central focus of the super Bowl instead of
what you and your team sacrifice to get to that point. Now,
now you are the distraction, You are the narrative.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It'll probably be like without doing this, I wouldn't be
any good anyway.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Well, I mean, to be fair, they doing it all year.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I think there are tendencies. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Yeah, you gotta understand it's got to be floating your
players right what they like.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Let's break the film down here. But I would say
that there are multiple paths to get there. You could
have somebody who the moment the pressure is too much
for and if you're an addict, then you go find
your whatever it is that you're addict to do to cope.
I'll Barrett Robins, Uh, there could be a situation where
you're sort of almost drunk with power. You have an
immortality about you. Look, I'm here, I'm a super Bowl
I'm all, I'm a pretty well, I'm one of the
greatest players ever and you start to get that mentality nothing,
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nothing could happen to me, and you got like Eugene Robinson,
you know, there are different there are different pathways to
arrive at the same just great conclusion.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
But I think.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Steve is onto something because we are all creatures of
habit and when we think about what super Bowl week
is is a two week lead up and if you
have certain tendencies that during the week, during the regular season,
you did this thing on this day, Yeah, you want
to continue that, and that just because you on a
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super Bowl trip, that doesn't necessarily mean that it's just
going to break the idea of what.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
You used to doing. Bound the rest, I'm not going
to be playing.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Back and it disrupts me mentally.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I guess that's the that's the area where I guess
I'm different. I am not superstitious at all. I don't
have any any of that kind of stuff. I mean,
I have a routine that I go through throughout the day.
But if something happened to that routine, I wouldn't sit
there and be like, well I screwed.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Because I didn't get the routine. You know that that thing.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
But what maybe been superstition is that he's not superstitious.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
That's what you're doing right now. What did I do?
I'm not superstitious, So I'm just a little stitious. I mean,
I'm just saying that that.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Could be your But he always says that I'm not.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
He always does it. Well, I'm not like I don't.
I just don't have any I just don't have those kinds.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
I'm sure there are eccentricities that I that I do
have or things that I do have that, but that's
not I've never had been like, oh, I'm just a
step in my routine.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Now everything's you know, skunked. But see that idea goes
back to that.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
But it's like, if you've listened to this, like me,
I know I used to listen to the same from
the home to the stadium on game.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Day, I listened to the same thing routine.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
You know, I'm like, bro, if I switched this up, boy,
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I'm not mad. It doesn't make me any better already worse.
I just can't.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
I Like, there are things I could identify with and
I can't identify.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
With it because I'm just not wat And yeah, everybody's
not like that, obviously, but yeah, there's certainly some who are.
And you know, I just can't understand making such a
selfish decision at such a critical time in the season.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I can certainly understand making dumb decisions, because I've made
plenty of those over the course of my life.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
But in those moments, but I mean I was dumb too.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I mean it was selfish and it was dumb.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Well right, But what.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I'm saying is like when I made dumb decisions, they
only affected me, you know, or like my small circle
in that moment, it never affected I didn't do it
when everything was on.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The line for with everybody I was employed with.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Well, that kind of stuff, like, I can't, like, there
has to be if you're gonna make a dumb decision.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Okay, you're gotta make a dumb decision.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
But like in that moment, in the in the biggest moment,
in the moment you've led up to where you got
your brothers and your sisters and everybody.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
That you called the man.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
It's just like we may call it routine, right, someone
else may call it an OCD. Right. No matter how
you you you look at it, it's a routine. And
you're so used to being grooved in that your routine
that you do it. But the only thing about the
Super Bowl is that when no one was paying attention,
everyone is paying attention.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Now.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
It doesn't make sense that you did what you did.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
But just like I asked my kids, now, when you
remember when you were a child you did something, your
parents will go who did that?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I mean, I don't know, man, I remember me.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yeah, with me like you room the shaggy defense with me.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Hey, my mom smoked and she left some ashes and
some butts in the ash trains, smoke went off to work.
I'm in the bathroom cigarette, you know, And then I
cleaned the ash tray with the cowl and then turn
the towel around in the bathroom. I'm eight years old, bro,
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I know what the heck I was doing. And then.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Well, first of all at the towel, of.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Course, but everyone knows exactly what they are doing. And
even when we say well, I don't know why I
did it, yes, you did because you thought about it
before you did it. And most of the time we
make decisions, we're not thinking about anyone else and how
it affects any our family members or anyone else or
our teammates. In this case, the only thing we know
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is what we feel we need in that moment.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
And and this is how I feel. So many people
make decisions. I know, we sit here and say, well, man,
I don't know how how did that guy make that
decision decision and why he made it?
Speaker 1 (17:58):
When you really think about it, we know.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Because that person decided I am more important than everyone
else in this particular moment.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
You either felt like you needed something in that moment
or you wanted something in that moment and you felt
like you could get away with it.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah, I mean, it took me years of therapy to
get to that point, but which feels like it's super easy.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
But yeah, anyway, very.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Difficult talking about things that we need and want. We're
gonna talk about the things that Broncos need and want.
We come back Broncos Country Night, KWA five six six
Ninezeros of Texa Lin Bronco's got some needs they got
to address these off seasons.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
We look at it.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Everybody was to talk about the offensive side of the
ball and weapons for bo Nicks tight end running back,
and yes we do need some uh some help in
those rooms. But on the defensive side of the ball,
there's some areas of concern too. Free safety position wasn't
where it needed to be last year. Uh, the inside
backer position, you know, Alex Singleton got hurt.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
The depth there is sort of a question mark. Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
And then on the defensive line, probably need a true nose.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I don't know if DJ is going to be coming back,
Probably not.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
At his price point, Okay, and not at his price point,
I don't I don't think so. You're probably looking at
a replacement there.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Uh, Steve.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
As you look at the at the at the defense
and how well they did last year, there still were
some things toward the end of the year that they
could get short up a little.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Do you think safety should be a priority.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Almost definitely, most definitely, And I'm not sure where it
will be addressed. I think it will be addressed either
in free agency or it was a draft. Yeah, we
we and we do have some young guys who were
really haven't gotten a chance to see a lot of J. L.
Skinner And also what's my man's name?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Why?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, del Turnery yelle.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
But he's coming off injury.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's coming off injury. But you know,
two guys who have potential, and we've seen some of
Delanne Turner Yell. We haven't seen him really when he's
fully grasped the defense though, you know, we really haven't
seen how good he can be when he knows, you know,
everything to do. And same thing with JL Skinner, we
really haven't seen him play on defensive lot. We've seen
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them go down and make a ton of plays or
special teams, but we got to see them on defense.
So if if the coaches know something that we don't know,
that hey, these guys they got the playbook down, they
maybe we don't have to address that position. But from
our standpoint, we haven't seen it. So yeah, we we
think there that they will acquire someone either via other draft.
(20:24):
So when it comes to a player evaluation. For me,
it's like being from Missouri. It's right, yes, don't talk
about it, be about it.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
And it reaches a certain point in every player's career
where you kind of have to grow from a prospect
to a guy with possibilities to a guy we have
confidence in. So there are a couple of guys on
the Broncos roster that are in that that kind of window,
like you.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Don't really know what they are.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
You know they were when you evaluate them, but now
you've seen some run around, Like, okay, you go from
being a solid special teams player to being considered a
guy to compete for a starting spot.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Can you go from potential to production?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
That's what it is.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I mean, at the end of the day, that's a discussion.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Potential gets you drafted, potentially gets you into camp, Production keeps.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
You, Production gets you two two and a half years.
And if you haven't shown that you're a player or
and you're.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Not well well, I would say some of the guys
are contributing special teams why so that helps them for
a minute, but they also have to prove that they
can play the position. If someone goes down, they gotta
be good. And you know, I think when we initially
drafted Jail Skinner, we draft him with the idea that
he's going to be a starter one day, He's going
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to be a playmaker.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
And I think you can still be.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
That, okay, But once again, it the idea of potential.
For me, it's a dirty word because that word potential
gets people fired, both players, scouts in GMS. At some point,
you have to start to produce. And when you spend
the bulk of your career hopping from team to team
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or just being viewed solely as a special teams guy,
to me, that means your career is not going to end,
you know, staying that long. And the reason I can
say that because that was kind of.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
The lens that I was viewed in.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Well, you know, this is this guy who can play
both free and strong safety. He's a hell of a
special teams player, but we don't know what he can
do as a starter, right because you got to go
from back up, from the back.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Seat to the passenger at some point. Some guys just
love this saying I got to lock in a uniform.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah no, that's right, I've seen it. I've seen it before.
Hopefully these guys aren't like that. Because you think you
know a person is on the team that they want
to be a starter.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
That's not the same.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
That's just like saying every team is in a game
to win championship, and that's not true.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Just happy to be there, they just have Listen.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
We both know guys.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
We both have seen guys who we played with who
was just happy to be there. I'm not trying to
be the starter next to Steve Atwater. I'm happy being
in my role running down the field on special teams
because I'm in the NFL. Yeah, And he's like, no,
if that floats your boat and that works for you, fine,
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It was something that never worked for me.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Someone nine says, dude, I went bald in high school,
started receding in the tenth grade by twenty bald.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Any man can have hair, takes a real man to
keep it.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Went off.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
What wait a minute, he went bald in the tenth grade.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
If you get the dome for it.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Man, any man can have hair, any man can have
any man can get bout having hair. Not everybody can well,
I mean he's right now. Not everybody can pull off both.
I can't pull off all though nobody wants that.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Can't have hair, because every man, I think every man
that can have hair probably hasn't. Not everybody's got like
a fabulous quality.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Or whatever, especially when you start to lose it.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, And it's funny because like it doesn't just disappear.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
It starts running to other places, you know, like it
runs off the top of your head down to the
back of your neck, or starts coming out the ears
and we transplanted the back up there can we you know?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Little?
Speaker 4 (24:18):
And you know what, there there are certain people who
have faces for short hair.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
But that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Like there's some women who look fantastic with long hair.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
They cut their hair and it's just like, man, you
should have cut your head long time, agos like, because
their facial features right are more pronounced than they were.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
And there's some people.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Who there's somebody can pull off the ball, especially guys.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
That grow the beard, you know, and all that kind
of stuff. I got.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I look like I've got the mains when I try
to grow facial hair. That my head shape is weird
to see. You not see if you were dedicated you're
not dedicated to you shave the beard off?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Your beard, car No, I decided to cut it. See
Gret is dedicated.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
He has that mustache.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
He was committed to him, right, and you guys hair.
I still miss your beard though, Nick, Yeah, yeah, I
never forget. I'll never forget. The first time you walked
by me, I did not You're gonna recognize it was
walking right in front of people, look like me. No,
we don't know how to practice.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
And somebody to you.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I think I was talking to you. And he's standing
right in front of this and like, who's this due?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Can you move on the way? Man, I can't watch you.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Know what, Grant uh cootch transpiracy. Last weekend, I thought
about growing it back. I thought about growing We're gonna
do that looking in the mirror, you.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Know what, bully, We're gonna make it happen. How long
does it take you to grow it back out like
in full?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Uh? You know what?
Speaker 4 (25:40):
For me, it takes a little while. See my my face.
Your hair doesn't grow like Grant. You probably this morning
throwing a mustache when you were like in the tenth grade.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Right. Actually, I was pretty late to the party.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
But once I started coming in thick in my early twenties,
that said, it's come with a vengeance.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
And now I wish it didn't grow as fast because
I have to shave so often.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, yes, I mean you were shave it every day
for the army.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I still like, no, this is what I get. This
is Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
It was the last time I shaved right before I
left for Mobile, So last week. This is a week
of growth. That's terrible. Yeah, well I may not grow
it back. Maybe I can get me a skincare endorsement
something like that.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Well, we'll get you the beard oil.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
We'll get you the beard oil. The beard I'm telling you.
I'm telling the skins, the skincare. You know what I found.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
There's a there's a skincare for men line called Atwater.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I feel like this because one to California. We need
to get you the endorsement deal.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yes you should.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I'm just don't start, n't.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I told him. He said he and his wife should
started hearing like, uh.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Like cooking line, don't worry about it, you don't have
to worry about it.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Just Just add water, right, just add water.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
William Hunt couldn't sing, and that dude was getting endorsement deals.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yes, I'm just saying, see if you are a hall
of famers.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Though you don't have to cook. You don't have to
do these things you.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Know we have to do. I cook it, check traffic
a day.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Will Brian.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Look at that face? You not love that face?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Ridiculous face envy. That's a new thing.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I just got Grant Smith envy. I could do like
John Travolta Nick Cage and face off and just swap
faces with him. What would you do if you had
Grant's face?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I don't know. I'd be on TV probably.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Whoa wow, wow wow, Greg getting the spirit?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yes, my voice gets any worse. I'm gonna be a newspaper.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Five six six times are alway used to text line.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
You guys want to get your roasts in back there
cooking a pot roast?
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Man?
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Will you fire them off with me?
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Good lord?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I love it. I've been saving them up when you're
down at mobile. He's got a journal over there.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Read about it all.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I'm gonna have to look left and right before I
crossed the street and off in the studio. Gosh, we
appreciate all you guys texting in tonight. James Brow appreciate
you you texted in as well. You're not gonna read
the last one that you said, but certainly we did
read it. Uh, guys, we got uh, we got a
Super Bowl coming up here. Phillip Eagles, Kansas City Chiefs.
A lot of people in Broncos country, and I see this.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
All the time.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
They're rooting against Kansas City simply because they're in the
AFC and and and all that kind of stuff. Like
I don't, I don't care about that. But you guys,
you guys both played for the Broncos. Do you care
about that? Like the division aspect, we don't want the
division person to win any of that.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I don't want Kansas City to win, but they gonna
win if I was a bedding man and I'm not
a bed mass, but if you were, if I was
that bad But my money, don't read it.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Saying I'm gonna lean the other way. Yeah, I'm gonna
lean the other way.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
It's not that because I I hate or I despise
the can't see the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
They've done a hell of a job. They deserve to
be here. Like I celebrate excellence even if it's not
like even if it's not us, like I aspire to
be excellent. You know, you go with well, I like
I like the underdog. That's the whole thing. I like
the underdog. I like the fact that there they're the underdog.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
It's not by the other way. I'm for the I'm
an elitist.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I'm going for the overdog. I'm rooted for the Empire
and the Star Wars movies. That sounds. That sounds.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
There's many people don't believe that too.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
But no, you know, I don't hate uh the Chiefs
and ideas that because we both played for the Broncos,
that that's what you're supposed to do. I love to
see anyone have a certain level of success, But I
like the underdog story. And for me, like if the
Chiefs were to win, that's NFL history. That's great for
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the game and the promotion of the game itself. But
think about how great that would be for Philadelphia and
everything that that organization you know, has tried to go through,
if they've gone through over the years.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
As far as getting to this point. Falling short, Yeah,
they just won one a few. I mean it was
Doug Peterson, but they won.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Yeah, but that that was Doug Peterson, that Nick Foles.
That seemed like it was like ten years ago to
be totally honest. But now you think about Jalen Hurts
and what the negative things that people have said about him.
To finally get over the top, consider the fact that
in at twenty twenty draft class, I mean he was
taking in with the second and third round, and of
all those quarterbacks who went to well, there's only two
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quarterbacks that have gone to the Super Bowl, him and
Joe Burrow. Now he would have gone twice within a
five year period, and.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
There were people saying they needed a change position and
all that kind of stuff back then too.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I guess I can understand that.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I can certainly understand that a lot of people found
out today for the first time that pat Riley, the
former coach and current front office guy for he trademarked
three pete.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
He owns the trademark on the word three p No way,
yes he does.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
When he said the Lakers, yeah, he said he's willing
to license it out for the if the Chiefs win,
He's willing to license He owns the trademark on three pete.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Like if all the things has done, it's wild right,
that might be.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
But the measure of greatness that he went out in
trademark three.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
So Ben might owe him some money right now, Well,
if you spell it the way you know my my,
my guy, Peter Schaffer, that's what I call him, three
P three E t E.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Okay, that's why, because he's trying to avoid, right, the
policy of the trademark.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
And me, I'm not even referring to that. I'm afraid
to Pete Moss three times over. So yeah, that's not
I don't know pat Riley any money either, that's right,
Just Sam smart.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
This is like Michael Buffer that that same that he
always says before boxing matches. Yes, that's kind of.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
His framemark literally that he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, yes, that's what I'm just saying. So so don't
even say it. Oh he's money.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
You're saying happy birthday, but talking about three peat. Appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
We gotta run, we got to break.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Appreciate you, brother, guess brock Leu's cut your night back
here for this
Steven Attwaterhoff.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Who in the building. What's going on?
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Now?
Speaker 3 (00:04):
It's your world, that's your world. I'm paying ready to
live in it. I'm a little like this month too.
This world A healthy guy. Well, that's the thing. So
Dick comes in here. I come in here trying to
be healthy with the snack, and Nick just comes in
here and just shows me up. He's like, I got
the organic what is one of those pistachios.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Organic sea salt the pistashios?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
And I'm like, I got the sugar coated mister planters.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
See, first of all, he said, two things that really
don't match, almost like mixing oil and water or vodking milk.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
He mentioned ben and.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Healthy again, I'm back on the dot.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I'm telling you I waked down a mobile I hadn't.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I got got my fill with the sugar West Burger.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
For those of you who don't know what that is.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
That is a burger smothered in cherry doctor pepper barbecue
sauce with brown sugar bacon on top, a slab of
sharp cheddar cheese, caramelized onions, sandwiched in between.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Two sugar donuts. You can eat that.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
And then I had ever bite delicious.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
You know, I'm not feeling this teacher.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I'm not an English teacher, but English teachers would always
say never to use double negatives. And Ben and help
double negatives.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
It's funny.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I actually like, that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I grew up super healthy, Like my dad was was
the big like organic food guy before that was even
a thing. Like they didn't have all these grocery stores
back in the you know, the early ladies and all
that stuff. We had to go these weird, out of
the way grocery stores. And you'd be like, if you're like,
what happened?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
So what you say you grew up that way? When
did a curve?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
You know?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Ben is one of those guys who if you're trying
to go left, he's gonna go right.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
No. See, Ben is the type of person there's a
fork in the road, he wants to drive straight right
or you're going right.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Trying to lose a little weight, get back to being
you know, you know, put on a few pounds over
the last month or two, and so try to lose
little weight and the knock the carbs off. So I'm
trying to eat these, but I got a sweet tooth,
so I'm trying to do these honey roasted peanuts because
they don't have like very they don't have very much
sugar or any of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
And them, you know, it's honey on the on the peanuts.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Honey on the peanuts.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So is that satisfying your sweet too?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I mean look an again, salt on it too? Yeah?
Do you want to try something? Is there a multidectrin
in that? Let's find out hold on malto dextrin. I
do not see that in the You gotta be cawful.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Peanuts, peanut oil, honey, sea salt, fruit toast, not high
fruit tos, corn syrup, just fruit toast.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
What kind what kind of oil in it? Uh?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Peanut peanut oil in the peanuts, which you would expect.
If I saw coconut oil in there, I'll be little
weird out, like wait what, well, you.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Know what I would prefer like an avocado oil or
coconut oil instead of a transfast well, instead of a
seed oil, right, because seed oils are not good for it.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
If you look at your peanuts and you got I
got I got palm oil here.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, this is the this is the stuff people tuned
in for. No oil is in here. It's pistachios, organic
sea salt.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
That's it, just saying this is a step forward for me,
all right, a step forward.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I'm not eating donuts. He's showing you up. He's got
the healthier. No, he's always showing me up. He still
he comes. This dude came in here with a whole
roasted chicken one time. What did you have? I like that.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I found it a religious I'm just trying to set
an example, Steve.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I mean, for me with with the injuries, I have
an inflammation. I gotta be careful what I eat.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Man, hang man, that's right, nig like you know, and
see I'm mortals, so that's whatever you know.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I was on the plane up the baky.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yes see, nig back everything boy, sounded like a kaya
song for a minute there. I thought I was gonna
have to leap your microphone.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Hey, that's listen, that's real, that's real. Talk my neck
in my back right, What is about the song?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Oh, he knows.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Exactly what it was. He looked right at me, look
at it right now. He knows exactly what it is.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Right there, c G, I now, c G, I this
is real voice.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
He knows exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Find set six year old text line, change the subthing
to anything.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Please come before I get myself in trouble here somebody's
asking there's a smoke around Cooper Cup. We'll get into
that conversation here a little bit later. Super Bowl week.
We're on the Super Bowl Week and see, uh, obviously
we've got the Super Ko eight week covers down there
with Anthony Rodriguez. We'll get you guys with some audio
throughout the show. On that, Steve, you've been to a few
superowl nixt you obvious play play in the plaoff.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
But Steve, you've been a few Super Bowls?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
How different is that atmosphere even to any other game,
much less a playoff game.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Everything is crazy leading up to it. That's when all
the distractions are But hey, once once the once the
kickoff starts, Hey, is it's just the biggest game of
the year, and for most of the biggest game of
their lives. And uh, the two Super Bowls that I
played in, well, the three were certainly that the first one,
you know, it was you know, took a butt whooping,
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had to learn from it.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
But don't you think that was I mean, obviously you
want to win everything, but don't you think that helped
to motivate the rest?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
No, okay, it just it just sucked.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Last night, you know how the fact that you know,
we don't like losing. Yeah you would you rather you
love to win or hate to lose? Person?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Oh man, that's uh, I love the win.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
Oh see? Where Yeah, we different hate to lose. I
hate to lose. Hate hate it like we lose it
as a part of it. Is a part of it,
you know. I mean, you don't lose it at the
highest level.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
You know you you hate to work so hard and
get there right to where you want to be, and then.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
You're so close you talk about losing regular season game.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I hate.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
You're a lot further away than you thought.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
That's whatever, But it seems after you answer that, it
seems like you saw with Ben and I like, like you,
you hate losing. Yeah, everyone enjoys winning, but it's like
you you really.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
In the moment, Yeah, definitely, But it's a part of it.
I want a bunch of whether win and lo lives everybody.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Everyone, But but the fact of losing at anything, I mean,
I hated it. As a kid to my older brother
losing in paper football, flipping coins against the wall.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I absolutely hated it.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, you come it around, come around.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I do not like and winds don't sustain me, like
they don't like a win. Okay, I want next, But
you lose, boy, I'm sitting with that for like, I'm
sitting with that for a while. Low, it doesn't matter
what I'm losing. You walking to and off the light
switch and I lost it.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, but in life, though, you've got to learn how
to handle the ls.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, but it is. But it's the idea. Yeah, being
always with that legally changed my demendment always right.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
It always says that because he had two l's in
his name anyway, so that tells you l's right.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I was born with you. Yes, I was like, you're good.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I'm not going to say break, but think about it.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Is it's those losses that catapults you forward because they
present an idea of desperation. When you guys played the
New York Jets, right, and the Jets had that lead
and then all of a sudden they started turning the
ball over, it was an idea like, oh wow, it's
turned the ball. It was sting in because right, because
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the ideas have that this could be John's last game
in this it's just come on everything. But the issue guys.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Were maybe before the game, Oh yeah, man, we know
we don't want to return.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
So when you guys were down in that game, no, nobody,
nobody thought about, man, may last game.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Man, we got to pick it up.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
No, bro, nobody like we're losing, we got to pick
it up.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
We didn't say that.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
No.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, wait, we just do what we do. What we do, Okay,
that's fair. It is do what we do, don't do
It doesn't change anything up in terns of Super Bowl
Week overall, though there are and especially now maybe even
more so than then, distractions Oh throughout the week.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I mean it's a Brillian It's it's everywhere. And we've
seen that manifested self.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
As a matter of fact, you participated in Super Bowl
where you saw that manifest itself.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
It was the other side of the field.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Robinson like, yeah, I mean, how difficult is it as
a player to stay dialed in on what you're there for.
It should be easy because we were on a schedule
and we obviously had a little bit of free time.
But man, so do you chalk that up to coaching
to keep you on schedule and keep you you know,
otherwise whoever's taking rooms to make sure that you're in
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that room. And uh, you know we had we had curfew, bro.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And when I heard about it, I'm like, what.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
How's they even out of the hotel?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
How did they get out? What happened?
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Like they they must have some some leaves in their security.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Apparently they did.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I mean look, yeah, I mean I don't know.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
And we've seen other situations where that sort of stuff
has occurred to Barret Robbins the Raiders Center versus in
the Super Bowl against Tampa. I don't know how many
people know about that story or whatever?
Speaker 4 (09:32):
You got the well, wait where he went to, like uh,
Mexico or whatever?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yes, I remember that story, come on missing.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Yeah he went to Mexico whatever it is, Yeah, because
San Diego is that there? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, yeah, across the board.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
So he went across the border and really got missing
and stayed yeah okay, yes, he stayed there happily.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Okay, yeah, in the in the mold that he was in.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Oh yeah, it must have been.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, he when he came when he came back, he
resurfaced that night before the day before the Super Bowl.
He showed up on the eve of the super Boy
showed back up. Didn't even recognize his head coach. He
was so incoherent. Hey, and Al Davis still wanted to play,
as have been a good, good player. He had developmental
coach will Willie Brown made him run sprints in the
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parking lot to see if he could still play.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Oh, come on, bro, that he did not pass.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
He couldn't do it.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
That's think about that time of year is the super Bowl.
It's the biggest game of your career. How could anyone
be willing to just sacrifice and throw away everything that
you have, you know, done to get to that point.
It's beyond me. I can't even understand that same here
and apparently you said Al Davis want to play.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Davis wanted to play because's game of the season.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Do you got our best pleasent the lather stuff? Yeah, well,
I'm gonna get on after the game.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Well, they compromised on having him run sprints as a
conditioning test to see if he could play, and he
fell over invomited on himself.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
The first thing he asked, Yes, I'll tell you what
if you, uh, put all once people throw a running
tests at the end of the year like that, they might.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah, well you got a few of them that going anyway,
That's not the worst trouble he got in. I mean
he later on, you know, a couple of years later
he got into I mean, he was an addict, you know,
and he wound up he was shot three times in
a brawl with Miami Miami police.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
So yeah, he went.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
You know, he's He's had quite a few incidents over
the years. Last the last one I remember was four
or five years ago. He left some restaurant in Florida
without paying for the bill, and the employee followed him,
and uh, he throw a rock at the employee and
then the police arrested him.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
That was four or five years ago.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
So and you know, having played the game and having
seen what so many guys go through, I mean, I
never make fun of guys for that type of thing,
because I mean, many times, this is a serious problem
I've been trying to make.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
There's no point that there are distractions out there, plenty
of them available, and guys who want to find them
find ways to find them.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Oh yeah, well, yeah, you're gonna you know, people wanna
do what they what they've been doing, right, I mean
they they've been going out the night before the game.
Guess what, the super Bowl night is not gonna change it.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Your vices are your vices, and some people I mean
can't overcome it.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I mean that's why we have that term addiction.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
But it is crazy though, to think, like, Bro, the
biggest game of the season, would you do it now?
The sacrifices we've made, we've all made throughout the year,
and now you're putting it all in jeopardy because player,
because you want to have some type of selfish satisfaction.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
That's crazy because but because at that point, your story
becomes the central focus of the super Bowl instead of
what you and your team sacrifice to get to that point. Now,
now you are the distraction, You are the narrative.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It'll probably be like without doing this, I wouldn't be
any good anyway.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Well, I mean, to be fair, they doing it all year.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I think there are tendencies. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Yeah, you gotta understand it's got to be floating your
players right what they like.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Let's break the film down here. But I would say
that there are multiple paths to get there. You could
have somebody who the moment the pressure is too much
for and if you're an addict, then you go find
your whatever it is that you're addict to do to cope.
I'll Barrett Robins, Uh, there could be a situation where
you're sort of almost drunk with power. You have an
immortality about you. Look, I'm here, I'm a super Bowl
I'm all, I'm a pretty well, I'm one of the
greatest players ever and you start to get that mentality nothing,
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nothing could happen to me, and you got like Eugene Robinson,
you know, there are different there are different pathways to
arrive at the same just great conclusion.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
But I think.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Steve is onto something because we are all creatures of
habit and when we think about what super Bowl week
is is a two week lead up and if you
have certain tendencies that during the week, during the regular season,
you did this thing on this day, Yeah, you want
to continue that, and that just because you on a
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super Bowl trip, that doesn't necessarily mean that it's just
going to break the idea of what.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
You used to doing. Bound the rest, I'm not going
to be playing.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Back and it disrupts me mentally.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I guess that's the that's the area where I guess
I'm different. I am not superstitious at all. I don't
have any any of that kind of stuff. I mean,
I have a routine that I go through throughout the day.
But if something happened to that routine, I wouldn't sit
there and be like, well I screwed.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Because I didn't get the routine. You know that that thing.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
But what maybe been superstition is that he's not superstitious.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
That's what you're doing right now. What did I do?
I'm not superstitious, So I'm just a little stitious. I mean,
I'm just saying that that.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Could be your But he always says that I'm not.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
He always does it. Well, I'm not like I don't.
I just don't have any I just don't have those kinds.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
I'm sure there are eccentricities that I that I do
have or things that I do have that, but that's
not I've never had been like, oh, I'm just a
step in my routine.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Now everything's you know, skunked. But see that idea goes
back to that.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
But it's like, if you've listened to this, like me,
I know I used to listen to the same from
the home to the stadium on game.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Day, I listened to the same thing routine.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
You know, I'm like, bro, if I switched this up, boy,
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I'm not mad. It doesn't make me any better already worse.
I just can't.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
I Like, there are things I could identify with and
I can't identify.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
With it because I'm just not wat And yeah, everybody's
not like that, obviously, but yeah, there's certainly some who are.
And you know, I just can't understand making such a
selfish decision at such a critical time in the season.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I can certainly understand making dumb decisions, because I've made
plenty of those over the course of my life.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
But in those moments, but I mean I was dumb too.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I mean it was selfish and it was dumb.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Well right, But what.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I'm saying is like when I made dumb decisions, they
only affected me, you know, or like my small circle
in that moment, it never affected I didn't do it
when everything was on.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The line for with everybody I was employed with.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Well, that kind of stuff, like, I can't, like, there
has to be if you're gonna make a dumb decision.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Okay, you're gotta make a dumb decision.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
But like in that moment, in the in the biggest moment,
in the moment you've led up to where you got
your brothers and your sisters and everybody.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
That you called the man.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
It's just like we may call it routine, right, someone
else may call it an OCD. Right. No matter how
you you you look at it, it's a routine. And
you're so used to being grooved in that your routine
that you do it. But the only thing about the
Super Bowl is that when no one was paying attention,
everyone is paying attention.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Now.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
It doesn't make sense that you did what you did.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
But just like I asked my kids, now, when you
remember when you were a child you did something, your
parents will go who did that?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I mean, I don't know, man, I remember me.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yeah, with me like you room the shaggy defense with me.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Hey, my mom smoked and she left some ashes and
some butts in the ash trains, smoke went off to work.
I'm in the bathroom cigarette, you know, And then I
cleaned the ash tray with the cowl and then turn
the towel around in the bathroom. I'm eight years old, bro,
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I know what the heck I was doing. And then.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Well, first of all at the towel, of.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Course, but everyone knows exactly what they are doing. And
even when we say well, I don't know why I
did it, yes, you did because you thought about it
before you did it. And most of the time we
make decisions, we're not thinking about anyone else and how
it affects any our family members or anyone else or
our teammates. In this case, the only thing we know
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is what we feel we need in that moment.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
And and this is how I feel. So many people
make decisions. I know, we sit here and say, well, man,
I don't know how how did that guy make that
decision decision and why he made it?
Speaker 1 (17:58):
When you really think about it, we know.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Because that person decided I am more important than everyone
else in this particular moment.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
You either felt like you needed something in that moment
or you wanted something in that moment and you felt
like you could get away with it.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah, I mean, it took me years of therapy to
get to that point, but which feels like it's super easy.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
But yeah, anyway, very.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Difficult talking about things that we need and want. We're
gonna talk about the things that Broncos need and want.
We come back Broncos Country Night, KWA five six six
Ninezeros of Texa Lin Bronco's got some needs they got
to address these off seasons.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
We look at it.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Everybody was to talk about the offensive side of the
ball and weapons for bo Nicks tight end running back,
and yes we do need some uh some help in
those rooms. But on the defensive side of the ball,
there's some areas of concern too. Free safety position wasn't
where it needed to be last year. Uh, the inside
backer position, you know, Alex Singleton got hurt.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
The depth there is sort of a question mark. Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
And then on the defensive line, probably need a true nose.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I don't know if DJ is going to be coming back,
Probably not.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
At his price point, Okay, and not at his price point,
I don't I don't think so. You're probably looking at
a replacement there.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Uh, Steve.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
As you look at the at the at the defense
and how well they did last year, there still were
some things toward the end of the year that they
could get short up a little.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Do you think safety should be a priority.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Almost definitely, most definitely, And I'm not sure where it
will be addressed. I think it will be addressed either
in free agency or it was a draft. Yeah, we
we and we do have some young guys who were
really haven't gotten a chance to see a lot of J. L.
Skinner And also what's my man's name?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Why?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, del Turnery yelle.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
But he's coming off injury.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's coming off injury. But you know,
two guys who have potential, and we've seen some of
Delanne Turner Yell. We haven't seen him really when he's
fully grasped the defense though, you know, we really haven't
seen how good he can be when he knows, you know,
everything to do. And same thing with JL Skinner, we
really haven't seen him play on defensive lot. We've seen
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them go down and make a ton of plays or
special teams, but we got to see them on defense.
So if if the coaches know something that we don't know,
that hey, these guys they got the playbook down, they
maybe we don't have to address that position. But from
our standpoint, we haven't seen it. So yeah, we we
think there that they will acquire someone either via other draft.
(20:24):
So when it comes to a player evaluation. For me,
it's like being from Missouri. It's right, yes, don't talk
about it, be about it.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
And it reaches a certain point in every player's career
where you kind of have to grow from a prospect
to a guy with possibilities to a guy we have
confidence in. So there are a couple of guys on
the Broncos roster that are in that that kind of window,
like you.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Don't really know what they are.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
You know they were when you evaluate them, but now
you've seen some run around, Like, okay, you go from
being a solid special teams player to being considered a
guy to compete for a starting spot.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Can you go from potential to production?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
That's what it is.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I mean, at the end of the day, that's a discussion.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Potential gets you drafted, potentially gets you into camp, Production keeps.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
You, Production gets you two two and a half years.
And if you haven't shown that you're a player or
and you're.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Not well well, I would say some of the guys
are contributing special teams why so that helps them for
a minute, but they also have to prove that they
can play the position. If someone goes down, they gotta
be good. And you know, I think when we initially
drafted Jail Skinner, we draft him with the idea that
he's going to be a starter one day, He's going
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to be a playmaker.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
And I think you can still be.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
That, okay, But once again, it the idea of potential.
For me, it's a dirty word because that word potential
gets people fired, both players, scouts in GMS. At some point,
you have to start to produce. And when you spend
the bulk of your career hopping from team to team
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or just being viewed solely as a special teams guy,
to me, that means your career is not going to end,
you know, staying that long. And the reason I can
say that because that was kind of.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
The lens that I was viewed in.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Well, you know, this is this guy who can play
both free and strong safety. He's a hell of a
special teams player, but we don't know what he can
do as a starter, right because you got to go
from back up, from the back.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Seat to the passenger at some point. Some guys just
love this saying I got to lock in a uniform.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah no, that's right, I've seen it. I've seen it before.
Hopefully these guys aren't like that. Because you think you
know a person is on the team that they want
to be a starter.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
That's not the same.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
That's just like saying every team is in a game
to win championship, and that's not true.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Just happy to be there, they just have Listen.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
We both know guys.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
We both have seen guys who we played with who
was just happy to be there. I'm not trying to
be the starter next to Steve Atwater. I'm happy being
in my role running down the field on special teams
because I'm in the NFL. Yeah, And he's like, no,
if that floats your boat and that works for you, fine,
(23:25):
It was something that never worked for me.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Someone nine says, dude, I went bald in high school,
started receding in the tenth grade by twenty bald.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Any man can have hair, takes a real man to
keep it.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Went off.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
What wait a minute, he went bald in the tenth grade.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
If you get the dome for it.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Man, any man can have hair, any man can have
any man can get bout having hair. Not everybody can well,
I mean he's right now. Not everybody can pull off both.
I can't pull off all though nobody wants that.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Can't have hair, because every man, I think every man
that can have hair probably hasn't. Not everybody's got like
a fabulous quality.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Or whatever, especially when you start to lose it.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, And it's funny because like it doesn't just disappear.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
It starts running to other places, you know, like it
runs off the top of your head down to the
back of your neck, or starts coming out the ears
and we transplanted the back up there can we you know?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Little?
Speaker 4 (24:18):
And you know what, there there are certain people who
have faces for short hair.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
But that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Like there's some women who look fantastic with long hair.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
They cut their hair and it's just like, man, you
should have cut your head long time, agos like, because
their facial features right are more pronounced than they were.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
And there's some people.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Who there's somebody can pull off the ball, especially guys.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
That grow the beard, you know, and all that kind
of stuff. I got.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I look like I've got the mains when I try
to grow facial hair. That my head shape is weird
to see. You not see if you were dedicated you're
not dedicated to you shave the beard off?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Your beard, car No, I decided to cut it. See
Gret is dedicated.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
He has that mustache.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
He was committed to him, right, and you guys hair.
I still miss your beard though, Nick, Yeah, yeah, I
never forget. I'll never forget. The first time you walked
by me, I did not You're gonna recognize it was
walking right in front of people, look like me. No,
we don't know how to practice.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
And somebody to you.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I think I was talking to you. And he's standing
right in front of this and like, who's this due?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Can you move on the way? Man, I can't watch you.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Know what, Grant uh cootch transpiracy. Last weekend, I thought
about growing it back. I thought about growing We're gonna
do that looking in the mirror, you.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Know what, bully, We're gonna make it happen. How long
does it take you to grow it back out like
in full?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Uh? You know what?
Speaker 4 (25:40):
For me, it takes a little while. See my my face.
Your hair doesn't grow like Grant. You probably this morning
throwing a mustache when you were like in the tenth grade.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Right. Actually, I was pretty late to the party.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
But once I started coming in thick in my early twenties,
that said, it's come with a vengeance.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
And now I wish it didn't grow as fast because
I have to shave so often.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, yes, I mean you were shave it every day
for the army.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I still like, no, this is what I get. This
is Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
It was the last time I shaved right before I
left for Mobile, So last week. This is a week
of growth. That's terrible. Yeah, well I may not grow
it back. Maybe I can get me a skincare endorsement
something like that.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Well, we'll get you the beard oil.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
We'll get you the beard oil. The beard I'm telling you.
I'm telling the skins, the skincare. You know what I found.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
There's a there's a skincare for men line called Atwater.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I feel like this because one to California. We need
to get you the endorsement deal.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yes you should.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I'm just don't start, n't.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I told him. He said he and his wife should
started hearing like, uh.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Like cooking line, don't worry about it, you don't have
to worry about it.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Just Just add water, right, just add water.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
William Hunt couldn't sing, and that dude was getting endorsement deals.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yes, I'm just saying, see if you are a hall
of famers.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Though you don't have to cook. You don't have to
do these things you.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Know we have to do. I cook it, check traffic
a day.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Will Brian.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Look at that face? You not love that face?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Ridiculous face envy. That's a new thing.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I just got Grant Smith envy. I could do like
John Travolta Nick Cage and face off and just swap
faces with him. What would you do if you had
Grant's face?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I don't know. I'd be on TV probably.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Whoa wow, wow wow, Greg getting the spirit?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yes, my voice gets any worse. I'm gonna be a newspaper.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Five six six times are alway used to text line.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
You guys want to get your roasts in back there
cooking a pot roast?
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Man?
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Will you fire them off with me?
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Good lord?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I love it. I've been saving them up when you're
down at mobile. He's got a journal over there.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Read about it all.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I'm gonna have to look left and right before I
crossed the street and off in the studio. Gosh, we
appreciate all you guys texting in tonight. James Brow appreciate
you you texted in as well. You're not gonna read
the last one that you said, but certainly we did
read it. Uh, guys, we got uh, we got a
Super Bowl coming up here. Phillip Eagles, Kansas City Chiefs.
A lot of people in Broncos country, and I see this.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
All the time.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
They're rooting against Kansas City simply because they're in the
AFC and and and all that kind of stuff. Like
I don't, I don't care about that. But you guys,
you guys both played for the Broncos. Do you care
about that? Like the division aspect, we don't want the
division person to win any of that.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I don't want Kansas City to win, but they gonna
win if I was a bedding man and I'm not
a bed mass, but if you were, if I was
that bad But my money, don't read it.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Saying I'm gonna lean the other way. Yeah, I'm gonna
lean the other way.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
It's not that because I I hate or I despise
the can't see the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
They've done a hell of a job. They deserve to
be here. Like I celebrate excellence even if it's not
like even if it's not us, like I aspire to
be excellent. You know, you go with well, I like
I like the underdog. That's the whole thing. I like
the underdog. I like the fact that there they're the underdog.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
It's not by the other way. I'm for the I'm
an elitist.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I'm going for the overdog. I'm rooted for the Empire
and the Star Wars movies. That sounds. That sounds.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
There's many people don't believe that too.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
But no, you know, I don't hate uh the Chiefs
and ideas that because we both played for the Broncos,
that that's what you're supposed to do. I love to
see anyone have a certain level of success, But I
like the underdog story. And for me, like if the
Chiefs were to win, that's NFL history. That's great for
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the game and the promotion of the game itself. But
think about how great that would be for Philadelphia and
everything that that organization you know, has tried to go through,
if they've gone through over the years.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
As far as getting to this point. Falling short, Yeah,
they just won one a few. I mean it was
Doug Peterson, but they won.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Yeah, but that that was Doug Peterson, that Nick Foles.
That seemed like it was like ten years ago to
be totally honest. But now you think about Jalen Hurts
and what the negative things that people have said about him.
To finally get over the top, consider the fact that
in at twenty twenty draft class, I mean he was
taking in with the second and third round, and of
all those quarterbacks who went to well, there's only two
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quarterbacks that have gone to the Super Bowl, him and
Joe Burrow. Now he would have gone twice within a
five year period, and.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
There were people saying they needed a change position and
all that kind of stuff back then too.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I guess I can understand that.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
I can certainly understand that a lot of people found
out today for the first time that pat Riley, the
former coach and current front office guy for he trademarked
three pete.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
He owns the trademark on the word three p No way,
yes he does.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
When he said the Lakers, yeah, he said he's willing
to license it out for the if the Chiefs win,
He's willing to license He owns the trademark on three pete.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Like if all the things has done, it's wild right,
that might be.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
But the measure of greatness that he went out in
trademark three.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
So Ben might owe him some money right now, Well,
if you spell it the way you know my my,
my guy, Peter Schaffer, that's what I call him, three
P three E t E.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Okay, that's why, because he's trying to avoid, right, the
policy of the trademark.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
And me, I'm not even referring to that. I'm afraid
to Pete Moss three times over. So yeah, that's not
I don't know pat Riley any money either, that's right,
Just Sam smart.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
This is like Michael Buffer that that same that he
always says before boxing matches. Yes, that's kind of.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
His framemark literally that he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, yes, that's what I'm just saying. So so don't
even say it. Oh he's money.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
You're saying happy birthday, but talking about three peat. Appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
We gotta run, we got to break.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Appreciate you, brother, guess brock Leu's cut your night back
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