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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Big show tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Obviously we're gonna have Rick Lewis Thursday, so we'll be
asking him.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
What the funk? What the funk? A little bit.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Later on he'll join us your bottom of the hour.
We got Ryan Michael top of the next hour. And
today this week is the one year anniversary of Ryan
Michael joining this show as a regular, regular guest and contributor.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I did not know that Ryan.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
By the way, he got a defensive analyst, Gig. We'll
have a chance to talk to him about that. He's
back in the EFL. He's with a European Football League
with a different team, but he got a different defensive
analyst job with. I believe it's Prague, the Prague Lions,
I think. So we'll have to hit him up for merch.
Never got the Barcelona. I need to hit him up
for a trip over there. Honestly, what I want to do,
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because like I'm creating a studio for me to do
video workout of right now. So I thought for the background,
because everybody does like the NFL staff or whatever. I thought,
maybe I do like the European Football League helmets like.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Behind there just you know, just like you know it.
Gus no, but he's gonna know those logos and be like, wait,
what what's going on there?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
So maybe just a matter of time, with his knowledge
and the way he can dive into the numbers, he
may be getting more and more opportunities at higher and
higher levels as an analyst.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, and you know it put a couple of years
in the euro Football League and then you know, try
to give the USFL and then get your foot in
with the with the NFL.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
We'll see. We'll always remember, well, he's off my coaching tree.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
So that's right, you know, your coaching my own coaching
tree here as it were. So that'll be fun short
show tonight, as we've got us prim Time coming up
at h at eight pm. So a little bit of
a short show tonight, but we'll have we'll have plenty
of fun with that. I want to get into the
Jay Glazer stuff first. And I don't know if you
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get that audio handy there, Grant, but uh, Jay Glazer
down there in New Orleans or sup a week got
in there and confirmed something that I'd reported a while back,
because there was reporting around here that the Rams were
moving up to get bo Nix or whatever, which I
knew to be false, but there was reporting about that
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from from various different places. Jay Glazer came through with
the story on that.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Let me tell you something Sean knew about bon Knicks
like the day of his It was pro dak literally
back then.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
And it was funny too, because what I'll do.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
During the draft, like I don't do mock drafts, I'll
do Fox Sports tradial. And he kept calling me and
somebody had gave him some bad information that the Rams
are trying to trade up for Bonex and I'm like, dude,
they're not. They're not trading off for He was convinced.
He was convinced he was, and he was driving me crazy.
He was calling him a million times in a bro
I'm telling you you're good. Nobody in front of you
has him you're good. And finally he was like, I
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know someone gave me information the.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Rams are trained up.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
And I literally called Sean McVay and I said, you
just tell you to me a favor. Can I let
Sean McVay didn't even look at the quarterbacks, He literally
didn't look out.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
They didn't great the quarterbacks. They were a draft to one.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
So I said, can I let Sean Payton know say
you're not right, because this dude ain't gonna sleep for
like five more days, and he's driving me crazy. I
think Sean McVeigh at first goes, wait another couple of days,
then you can do it. And then finally, like it
was like he kept calling and like two days earlier,
I said, hey, dude, McVeigh has allowed me to they're
not trading up from You're good, You're golden.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
But he loved them that much. And Sewan's different man.
He's a culture changer.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Culture is everything you wanted to know why Washington never
won with Dan Snyder. Culture Jets don't win, Wood Johnson
culture Cleveland don't win. You only get the first year
of day one wonder Jimmy Aslam is when no won
except football. People are allow inside the building because of COVID. Well,
Sean Payton probably had the biggest uphill badle. He went
down to the Saints and he and Mickey Loomis taught
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mister Benson how to be an owner.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
He just didn't know any better.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Some of these other guys look at it like I'm
a billionaire.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
So I know better than you and any business.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
And I told them straight out like, would you hire
Sean Payn or Mike Tomlin or Andy Reid to run
your business so totally different?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Well, then why do you think you make a second round? Right?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Well, that's what Sean Payton does. He changed that culture
where they were wearing bags on their heads in New Orleans.
Juggernaut a super Bowl juggernaut. Right, He's gonna do the
same thing in Denver. He found his quarterback. He's a
little evil genius and he's gonna continue to put in
a round bow. And but I love too his boat,
him to take his crap, and that's what you need.
(04:22):
I love the Jay always does that. It'll put those little,
those little extras in there for you. Uh, And that's
that's always appreciated. Whatever you get a chance to talk
to him.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
A chance to talk to Jay at the draft in
Nashville a few years ago.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
You know, swamp numbers and all that good stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
He's he's one of those guys will who'll will sprinkle
those extra anecdotes and when he gives you those stories,
and yeah, I thought it was good. First of all,
it confirms their rams were not trading up. They were
always looking for the for the edge rusher. There and
they wound up getting him to me. I love that
at the end there where he's like he's sitting there like,
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you know, I think he's gonna get Denver there. And
I the fact that Bow doesn't take his crap, you know.
And and that's not a.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Shot at Russ. But Russ was so passive.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
You know, we all saw the Detroit game and what
was going on there, and we all saw Bow this year.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
And Sean likes it.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Are coaches like that, They like it when players smart
players will push back, you know, and not you don't
have to do that in a way that he's obnoxious
or disrespectful. But he did the battle in the moment
when you're you know, your your voices are elevated, you're
in an elevated.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Tone, and they'll push back. I'll tell you. John Ruden
used to love that. Rich Gannon would do that well,
and Drew Breesy used to do with Sean Payton.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
At New Orleans, right, and you can you can there
are guys that do that. And John and Rich used
to get into it on the sidelines.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
They used to get into it. And but but you know,
you asked John rud to beat that down. I'll tell you.
You know, they he loved that. He loved that pushback
because they got him thinking too. You know, he's like, well,
wait a minute, what am I missing here?
Speaker 5 (05:53):
You know?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
And the last thing you want is a bunch of
yes men in anything that you're doing. The last thing
you want is to surround your yes people. You want
people that'll challenge you. Then you may be right, you
may go with the decision that you laid out there,
but you at least want to consider that. You know,
that sort of diversity of opinion around you. One of
the best bits of advice I ever got was surround
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yourself with smart people to disagree with you, you.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Know, because they will.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
They will challenge your perceptions on things, and that will
make you stronger. It leads to make you more convicted
in your opinion because you'll examine these other points of view,
or it'll help you change your mind to find a
better path one of the two.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
And so, you know, I think that that was I
thought that that was a good, little, maybe maybe underlooked comment.
At the end of that.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Congratulations to a Rod who's out there in New Orleans
for securing that the videos up. If you guys want
to see that the video and audio up at the
KWI Twitter account at Kwei Colorado, and you guys can
get that. We've got some other other things going on tonight.
The NFL honors pats Er Tans up for Defensive Player
of the Year.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I think he's gonna get it. I do too.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
The betting surely has gone that way. That doesn't help
my pocket book out because I went the other directions.
So the preseason I.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Put a ticket for TJ whe and already cash that
went out. Yeah, you got to put a good paycheck
from that there season ticket.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I did it right.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And then the Nick Benito one I took early on
in the season, and I was like, oh, I got
a shot at this.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
But about three quarters of the way through the season,
I was like, oh, well, when we.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Have Ryan Michael on for his one year anniversary coming
up here at the top of the hour, you did
call something else for Nick Benito's season that we're going
to get to. Well, well, I'll be interested to hear
in June June twenty sixth.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Good lord, Okay, Well, I'm assuming you guys have audio
on that or something.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Oh, I got it ready, of course you do, all right, Well,
we'll see. Hopefully it's a good thing and not to
not super embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I I, yeah, I think that Cirtan's got a good
shot at winning it, do I. I mean, at the
end of the day, I'm going to hope that he
wins it, because you know, Denver and all that does
he do. I think he deserves it. I don't know,
there's a couple of players out there I thought, you know,
might have been more in line Van Ginkel, you know,
and what he did this year was phenomenal. I think
Stan certainly longs in the conversation whether or not he
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wins it. If I were, if I were in a
vacuum doing it, I don't know, buy us is that
for it?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Hendrickson and yeah, Scarrett, Yeah, so t J.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Watt, you know, and all those guys, they're they're all
I mean, at this point, you gotta think it's going
to be PS two though, And so much of the
award for him isn't on statistical accomplishment. It's on the
lack of statistical accomplishment for the guys that he's opposite,
and that that's the way you have to frame that,
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because you go, look, you look on paper, you look
at the numbers, like like, look at what Van Giggle
put up in terms of interceptions, fumbles, recoveries, tackles, all
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
And you know, if you were just doing it off
the box score, you'd say, okay, this should this should
probably be it. But if you go back and look
at the tape, you look at what.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
What Certan did in terms of holding people to very
low numbers are very low productivity. Opposite him in a
league that favors the offense. Frankly, the rules we all
know favor of the offense. And I think that what
he did is certainly special. If he does win it,
(09:07):
I'm super happy for him. Uh and I believe based
on looking at the betting patterns here, the public at
large certainly believes that he's going to win.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Well, what was the stat making the rounds.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
It was like eight wide receiver Wanse held under thirty
yards or best or something.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
It was an absurd number. I mean, that's like Durell
Reevas territory.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, getting getting close to Rivas Island territory. And that
is I mean, and it's not just that. I mean
there were times where I mean you have that, but
then you also have his versatility, like for instance, when
the Raiders, uh where, when they were playing the Raiders,
he would be lined up on Brock Powers at times,
you know, to take him away and Brock, I mean
Brock is their top receiving option.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
But so it was a wide receiver. I mean he's
a tight end. And so that you know that changed up.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I think you go back and you look it after
he got hurt and Riley Moss got hurt, how the
defense changed at the end of the year and how
they struggled kind of at the end of the year.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
That's why.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
And I think he was the biggest cog to that machine.
You know, the Broncos had players go down of the
course of the year. I mean Alex Singleton went out
and we didn't miss a beat, but Patzertan went down
at all of a sudden. There was there was a
significant drop off in what it is that the Broncos
were were able to do well.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
And I think there's something to be said of being
the best player on a good unit, you know. I
mean the Broncos were top five and most defensive statistical
categories this year. Trey Hendrickson had a phenomenal year, but
the Bengals defense sucked. Yeah, Joe Burrow had an amazing year.
If they make the playoffs, maybe he's the front runner
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for MVP.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I think they would.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I think if they win that we're having a whole
different conversation about MVP.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
If the playoffs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was fascinating.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
And then of course the Bengals changed defensive coordinators, they
got lou Aarumo fired. And it's funny you go the
one season you're a hot candidate for possibly be at
a head coach, Hanarumo interviewed multiple places, including Arizona.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And then the next year you're fired. It's the NFL
for you, Noah got you get another job. Though. People
don't lose the respect for him around the league.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Well, right, And that's the thing I think everybody knew.
It wasn't really Hill. I mean, the injuries and the
personnel were kind of a problem there in Cincinnati this
past year. I got some other sound while he was
down there. I got some sound from former NFL quarterback
Michael Vick.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I think Voe Nicks is a great quarterback.
Speaker 7 (11:28):
You know, when you're under a guy like Sean Pigon,
you're gonna get a lot of offensive concepts that just
make sense to you. Sean understands the game, knows the game,
so they get to pass that down to a guy
like vote Vote Say credit has a lot of experience
as well, and he had a lot of collegiate snaps
and saying a lot of defenses, so he understands football
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and know how to talk it.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
You know, understanding how to talk it.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
Then you can think it through, like when it's happening
really really really fast.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Think I mean play on his last.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
Like four seconds, so so many things happened in four
to five seconds. You can protest that, break it down
and make it a success.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Man.
Speaker 7 (12:07):
Then as a rookie made the playoffs, you got a bright.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Huton Michael Vick on bow Nicks, say Rod for that one.
We also had a couple other interviews. You got your
favorite podcast, Rant Dues on Dudes, Rob.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Gronkowski Dudes on Dudes.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
He was talking about, you know, everybody in the Broncos
country is thinking about having more weapons for Bonnicks, and
he talked about the value of having an elite tight
end in your offense.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
Yeah, you need an elite tight end in the NFL
if you want to compete if you want to have
a legitimate offense, if you want to score points. So
I just feel like that's the way, you know, it's
been headed towards over the last you know, decade or
so over the last fifteen years. And if you want
to be able to move the ball, you got to
have a tight end that can you know, be the
quarterback safety valve and a guy that can actually help
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out in the run game as well, you know, and
and that opens up the play action because you can't
do play action really.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
If you don't have a solid tight end. And that's
why tight ends are just so undervalued.
Speaker 8 (13:07):
I believe they really really are, and they help out
not just in the past game, but the run game
and also in the play action game. That's where the
tight ends truly make the most impact, and it can
open up they'll run and pass in because of that
play action. So having a great tight end I believe
is crucial to success if you want to go deep
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in the playoffs now and have a solid offense.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
It really is. And that's not being self serving because
he was a tight end. It really is. I mean,
in the modern NFL, if you don't have someone who is.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Either a possession safety blanket for your quarterback kind of
tight end, which is sort of what Travis Kelsey is now.
Or if you don't have an explosive game breaker, like,
for instance, a brock powers, you're a disadvantage. You need
those kind of guys who change the way you play defense.
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You need those kind of guys that you can move
around a little bit. And I know the term here,
everybody's a joker, joker joker, which you know, really it's
offensive weapon, mismatch guy, whatever, you know they call it.
You know, everybody's seized on that term joker because they
heard it, because you know whatever.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
But the reality is, it can be whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
It's a mismatch guy, whether it's somebody like somebody like
Reggie Bush who you line up at the backfield or
you can move them back to the slot. Whether it's
somebody like Taysom Hill, who you could put it at
full back, running back, quarterback, slot receiver, tight end, whatever,
Jimmy Graham, you could put it slot receiver or I mean,
excuse me, it a tight end or wider re split
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him out.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Why make a wide receiver?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
You know, whatever that is, I just call it, like ow,
you know, I just called offensive weapon. And this is
a mismatch guy, and you know, he's a multifaceted mismatch.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Guy, and that's sort of what the Broncos need.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
And that's why while everybody's talking about guys like Colston
Loveland or things like that, those guys love it's a bit.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
More of a traditional tight end. I'm looking at guys
like like a Roddi Gadsden, who is I mean with
the ball in his hands.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Looks like a wide receiver and you know his daddy
was a wide receiver. I don't know if you guys
remember Roddy Gadsden senior playing for the Miami Dolphins, but
that you know, he kind of reminds me like you're
watching him and I'm like, well, this guy, you know,
I mean, he's he's a tight end, but he looks
like a receiver with the ball in his hands, and
to me, it feels like somebody that could fit that role.
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There's a couple of running backs I think that are
excellent receivers. Good buddy Mario Ovitanzi posted one today, a
little bit on the smaller side, but excellent receiver. I've
talked about Amrio and Hampton You're not really gonna line
him up as a receiver, but he catches well out
of the backfield. I've talked about Leaquin Allen. That guy
reminds me Alba Kamara. You just watch him play. He's
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a little bit smaller than Kamora, but not by much.
Where's he out of Syracuse? Gads didn't you could? You
can go put go Pop on the Syracuse tape because
you go to see Gasden, you can see Laquinn and
are you're gonna say gimme You know you're gonna you're
gonna put Britney Spears on and you'll be like, give me,
give me more because you're gonna see some guys on
that that team that you're like, yeah, I got I
got an idea how we could use that.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
And and that's you know, and that's sort of the
thing everybody.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Sees on the time when we had the the Sean
Payton audio yesterday.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
And I don't really want to get to right next
to this a little bit long, but he we'll get
to it again.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Uh seven thirty probably, he said when when Kadams was
trying to lead him with the question talk about veteran
wide receiver and he kinda he kind of pushed that down.
He pushed it down into the UH, into the needs category.
But he was really sort of dismissive of that overall,
and it was more, hey, look, we need the we
need a mismatch.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
We know we must have a mismatch guy. We know
we need that. We know we must have that. Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
And then he talks, you know, a little bit of
the tight end running back, you know, as far as
that goes, and the.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Other positions that he mentioned before he even got back.
Two a veteran wide receiver was free safety and inside linebacker.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
And I think you know again that that kind of
falls in line with what we've been talking about here,
is that you know, they're viewing these offensive weapon mismatch
guys one or and maybe not just one, maybe two
of them. Inside linebacker and free safety is the priorities.
And you know this whole veteran wide receiver thing, and
you know how it is, everybody from every fan base
always wants the best guy, and they, oh, we should
be in on you know, Cooper cup and T Higgins
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and Randy Moss and you know whatever.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
And you know that's fine.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
There's there's a certain exuberance for that, and that's fine,
but realistically, I don't think this team, I don't think
that's what they're looking at. I think they're looking at
their young receiving core that they developed, and they got
big fans for Vyle.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
The whole reason they.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Cut Tim Patrick was they had big plans for Davon Vley.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Then he got crack Ribs early in the season that
kind of threw all that off.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
But man, in that same interview with Kay Adams, he
gushed out the young wide receivers like he loves this
young wide receiver corps.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, and I you know they can.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
If you go back and look at how Sean Payton
has conduct constructed offenses, it's it's pretty easy to see
more or less what he's gonna do here, you know.
And if they keep sutting, okay, but if not, Veley
slides over into that exposition, Marvin Mims will be the
backside Z.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
And then you go out and get a slot guy.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
You go get like a DJ Shark out of free
agency to be, you know, somebody like that at that level.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
You're not You're not spending big money on that. It's
just not what they do. It's not how he constructs offenses,
and so I get it. I got some pushback on that. Well,
you never drafted a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Okay, okay, fine, you know, but he did go get
a quarterback. It's just the history and the way that
they've laid that out make it seem pretty apparent that,
you know, they're going to continue to kind of roll
with doing things the way that Sean Payton wants to
do them, and we've certainly seen the blueprint on that.
We come back roncos coloradost Rick Lewis will ask him
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what the fun?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Rog just got Knight back?
Speaker 6 (19:02):
After this, Ben Grant.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
What the funk? I'll tell you what the funk? And
it's a question for you, Ben. I don't want to
say I've noticed, but I hear your hair has been thinning.
Is it true? Yes?
Speaker 6 (19:18):
It has.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Much like the Petter family, I feel like I need
to go out here and reside the turf.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Well, there's a lot of options out there, Ben, as
you know, and you know what, I don't know how
you would look with a shaved head. A lot of
guys look great in a shaved head. In fact, some
guys even look better. So that's a potential option. For you.
But I'm going to give you a little pro tip.
There's a supplement called hyaluronic acid. Have you heard of it?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I have not.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Okay, Well, a holistic dot, one of the best holistic
dots in the country, told me about this probably fifteen
to twenty years ago when I was having some issues,
some back and hip issues. So hiluronic acid and this
is legit, This is legit advice for you. Your body produces
it naturally. It's in your eyes, your joints, your skin,
(20:10):
and your hair. And it's really great for your hair
because it draws just kind of moisture into all those
things I mentioned And you could possibly, maybe after a
year of using this, have a pelt similar to mine,
which I know you envy, Yes, and everybody, I mean everybody.
(20:30):
I get a lot of hair compliments, as you know,
and I think this is something you should take a
look now. The only problem is, you know you're going
to be have to trim in your you know, your eyebrows,
your nose hair, your ear hair on a pretty regular basis.
But I think that's a sacrifice that is worth making
to get your pelt back.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Well, then maybe then you can grow a beard.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, look at this, then maybe I could actually grow
beard as well. I will say, I'll I'll give this
a shot. I would rather have to trim areas up
than meant the lack of coverage, uh in you know,
in other areas, So you definitely do that. One thing
that is not an option for me is the shaved
head angle.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I've I've been through this. I was do this in
the military.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
And I don't know if you've ever seen the Lord
of the Rings movies, but the Gollum character is loosely
based on what I look like.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
With a shaved head.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Okay, so that's not an option.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I do not have the dome for that.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Yeah, trying to highly run against it. It's really good
for a lot of things, including your joints. It's one
of the best stupplements out there.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Okay, well I'll give it. I'll give it a Yeah,
I'll give it a crack.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
We'll see what's uh, we'll see what's up with that
somebody who there?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
It is? Yes, that character, Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's
not good. Uh Rick.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
You know, we've had an interesting super weak an you
guys down there in uh in New Orleans, lots of
lots of interviews, lots of people singing the praises of
bow Nicks. What are you most looking forward to, uh
next year? Season two with.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Bow continued growth. You know, he had a really good
rookie year. I think we saw him get better pretty
much from week to week, you know, kind of a
slow start. I remember after the first game, a lot
of us that are in this business going wow. I
was kind of expecting, you know, a little bit more
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from him based on what we saw in camp and
what we saw in preseason. But Maddy, this guy has
got to be one of the fastest learners in the
National Football League. Man, he processes things so well, and really,
after those first two games, he looked like a completely
different guy. By the time we got to the end
of the season, he was playing at a really high level.
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And I think he's just going to get better. You know,
you do see quarterbacks regress sometimes in year two. I
don't think that's going to happen with him. I don't
think Sean Dayton will let that happen.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Tyler rig lewis color analyst to the Never Broncos.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Rick Shawn was down there on Ky Adams Show and
as he usually does. He was giving more detail it's
a cave than he usually gives to anybody else. Talked
about some of the wants and needs for the Broncos,
and specifically laid into that offensive weapon. You know, the
term everybody's talked about with the joker term, but really
it just means a mismatched guy, whether it's a running
back or tight end whatever. As you look at this,
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what would you like to see the Broncos pursue most heavily.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Yeah, and this is something we talked about pretty much
all year. I think the tight end is I would.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Say tight end. I say one a running back, one
B and then inside linebacker number two on that list,
I think the tight end would have the biggest impact,
a real.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Playmaking, path catching tight end. I think if they had
that guy this season, they win more than ten games,
That probably win twelve just with the addition of somebody
like that. I think they'll probably go out and get
that guy, whether it's in the draft or free agent,
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whoever they can get in and I think that guy
will make a big difference. Running back. You know, there's
a lot of a lot of I would say serviceable
running backs out there, and running backs that you can
get in round four and five that can turn out
to be pretty good. Look at Chrell Davis. That's why
I think tight end is probably the most critical position
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for them going into next year.
Speaker 7 (24:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I tend to agree.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
And as we look at this and we look at
Sean Payton's offense and what has made it most successful,
it's been having somebody with game breaking ability at that position,
opening things up for everybody else. You look at how
that offense typically runs, it's it's a running back on
choice routes, the ex receivers running slants, and then you
get that tight end, you know, clearing things out. And
Sean Payton's credit has gotten four all pro seasons out
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of three different tight ends throughout his career as a
head coach, which is an impressive feat.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Yeah, that's been one of the most important things I
think for his offensive scheme. And he talks about it
all the time. You know, he talks about the joker
and when we hear that all the time, they thought
Dulsage could maybe be that guy. We talked about, Hey,
maybe Marvin Mims could be that guy. But I think
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they'll go out and get it. There's going to be
year three for Sean Payton. I think it's essential for
him to get that guy to get to that next level,
not only make it to the playoffs postseason, but to
win one or two. And he said something this week
that I really liked, don't I don't have the exact quote,
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but something like, you know, we're going to be trouble
for people next year. Was that the quote?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Is that what he said, Yeah, We're going to be trouble.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Yeah, something like that. Yeah, And I love the fact
he said that, and I believe he's right about that.
If they just put a few more pieces on this team,
specifically on the offensive side of the ball, I think
they're going to be a tough out for anybody next year.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Ty with Rick Lewis color Elis to the never Broncos.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, that's gonna be interesting next year because the Broncos
did sort of have I don't way say have built
in advantage, but kind of in the sense that they
snuck up on some people this year. You know, people
don't expected that the books had them at five and
a half wins. You know, teams didn't really take I
think the Broncos as seriously as they probably should have.
They're not going to have that next year. Everybody knows
that they've got bon Nicks. Everybody knows that this team
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made the playoffs. I don't think they're going to be
able to sneak up on teams next year. It's gonna
be interesting to see what the weight of expectations brings
to this young roster.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Yeah, you know what, I can't wait. I think Broncos
Country probably feels the same way. You know, we got
a taste of what they can do with this great
rookie quarterback Bone Knicks. I think most people expect him
to continue to get better, and Broncos Country, I think
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should be excited about the twenty twenty five season. I
know I am, and you know you made a good point.
They're not going to be able to sneak up on
teams anymore, but I think they're going to be at
least a game or maybe two games better this year
if they can plug in those pieces that we talked
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about and maybe win eleven, maybe twelve games, and you know,
going into a postseason next year. I know we're getting
way ahead of ourselves there. But that's the optimistic side
of me, and I prefer to live on the optimistic side,
but I do think it's realistic as well well.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
We always appreciate that perspective. Rick, You got any shows
coming up here in your future?
Speaker 5 (27:43):
I do, yeah, man, I have a really cool show
coming up March first. It's a Saturday night in Parker
at a really cool place called the Wild Goose, and
it's my band with the Freddie Jones band Freddie Jones
out of Chicago go had a couple of big hits
in the nineties, and really looking forward to the show.
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We're going to open. We're going to play a seventy
five minute set, then they'll play a ninety minute sec
kind of a co headline situation, and really looking forward
to it.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
That sounds like a lot of fun right road from
where I used to live.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I'm not sure if we're at the Combine or not,
but if I'm not, I'm gonna drop by.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
You Know what you ought to do is get a
hold of k Atoms and bring her to the show.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I get text her for you, Matt, and I'll see
if she can come on up.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Well, I mean for you specifically. I think I think
she's perfect for you. I'll tell you what, what do
we have a couple of weeks. Three weeks with the
hyaluronic acid. Yeah, yeah, I think that'll be enough. You
get k Adams to go with you to that show,
and I'll make it appear as if you're a really
big deal here in Denver on the stage.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I don't take a lot of heavy lifting on your parts.
And so since I'm not, and since she was dating
Daniel Jones, I don't know if she still is or not.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
But not but anyway, okay, I did the research on that.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Say, hey, that's what we have you in here for.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Before we let you out here real quick, Rick, we
got to go.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
But what's your supert prediction?
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Man? You know what I'm thinking? Eagles, although you know
it's so hard to bet against Patrick Mahomes. I took
the Bills in that game. I was all in on
the Bills three or four different parlays. It didn't hit
any of them, and so I'm kind of on the fence.
I haven't made my mind up yet, but I'm leaning Eagles.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
All right. Well, well we'll roll with that for now.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Rick.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
We appreciate it as always, brother.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
All right, guys, thanks for having me on yep.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Take care, Rick, Lewis color Hiles for your never Broncos.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
It's funny because I had somebody stop me yesterday and
they're like, dude, your hair is not like you know,
it's not it's not like bad like it's it's it's
definitely thinning, but it's not like I'm bald.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
We make out. They get to think it much much more.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Because's funny because people say, like, wait a minute, what
are you talking about, Like, it's it's just finning, dude,
Like I you know.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
It's it's it's it's driving me nuts because I'm a
vain person. But they're all a good ball. So yeah,
please don't shave your head. Oh nobody, nobody wants that.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I thought about giving myself the reverse mohawk, just hollowing
that out in the fire time.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Now I'm kidding. I'm gonna bring that hairstyle the friar
talk back. Oh like, uh, who was that Tim Tebow
who got that? Yeah like that, Yeah, yeah that was
you know, that's the day.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
And we were talking about that the other day with
the rookie haircuts and they don't do that stuff anymore
or whatever. Man, there was a there was a time
modern tradition Yeah, that one was kind of harmless, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
I mean that's like goes right along with carrying the pads. Yeah,
everything these days is hazing.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
Though.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Let's talking about that because we're talking about when I
used to be in the army, you know, and I
got in trouble for quote hazing. It was I used
a red permanent marker to draw in people's throats when
I caught him sleeping on duty. You know, when I
was sleeping the guard towers, I just run the run
the marker over the throats or whatever.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Like this is what could happen.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, And the guy at the time who was the
sergeant major the entire eighty second Airborne, the commassmart Major
of the second Airport, he yeah, like verbally, you dressed
me down in front of everybody in the dining facility
for for haunting orban for uh.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Hazy hazing. And I was like, you gotta be kidding me, man, Like.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
These dude, like the problem is me with the red
marker and not the guys who are falling asleep on
our guard towers and war.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Literally not doing their job and rescuing all of our lives.
I know my brother, though he's got he was in
the Marines, and some of the stories he has about hazying,
I mean, oh yeah, not even close to suitable for air.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Oh yeah, yeah. We got plenty of those.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
The soap party for you know, for people who didn't
shower and stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I never like that was the thing. It was the
first time in my life I had encountered people that
just like showering was optional, just dirty. Gross.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I'm like, how do you people exist, especially when you're
in the military and you know you're getting.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah, take a shower, man, it'll be fun. Well, six
six nights Yero.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
We got Rian Michael coming up here next talk about
his new gig in the European Football League, and I.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Guess kind of reminiscing at the last year since he's
been a contributor on this show, celebrating a whole year.
It does not feel like a whole year. We've had
Ryan Michael on the show Time flies maw So we'll
get to that when we come back. You Broncos Country Night,
bring here, okay away
Big show tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Obviously we're gonna have Rick Lewis Thursday, so we'll be
asking him.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
What the funk? What the funk? A little bit.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Later on he'll join us your bottom of the hour.
We got Ryan Michael top of the next hour. And
today this week is the one year anniversary of Ryan
Michael joining this show as a regular, regular guest and contributor.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I did not know that Ryan.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
By the way, he got a defensive analyst, Gig. We'll
have a chance to talk to him about that. He's
back in the EFL. He's with a European Football League
with a different team, but he got a different defensive
analyst job with. I believe it's Prague, the Prague Lions,
I think. So we'll have to hit him up for merch.
Never got the Barcelona. I need to hit him up
for a trip over there. Honestly, what I want to do,
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because like I'm creating a studio for me to do
video workout of right now. So I thought for the background,
because everybody does like the NFL staff or whatever. I thought,
maybe I do like the European Football League helmets like.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Behind there just you know, just like you know it.
Gus no, but he's gonna know those logos and be like, wait,
what what's going on there?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
So maybe just a matter of time, with his knowledge
and the way he can dive into the numbers, he
may be getting more and more opportunities at higher and
higher levels as an analyst.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, and you know it put a couple of years
in the euro Football League and then you know, try
to give the USFL and then get your foot in
with the with the NFL.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
We'll see. We'll always remember, well, he's off my coaching tree.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
So that's right, you know, your coaching my own coaching
tree here as it were. So that'll be fun short
show tonight, as we've got us prim Time coming up
at h at eight pm. So a little bit of
a short show tonight, but we'll have we'll have plenty
of fun with that. I want to get into the
Jay Glazer stuff first. And I don't know if you
(01:42):
get that audio handy there, Grant, but uh, Jay Glazer
down there in New Orleans or sup a week got
in there and confirmed something that I'd reported a while back,
because there was reporting around here that the Rams were
moving up to get bo Nix or whatever, which I
knew to be false, but there was reporting about that
(02:04):
from from various different places. Jay Glazer came through with
the story on that.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Let me tell you something Sean knew about bon Knicks
like the day of his It was pro dak literally
back then.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
And it was funny too, because what I'll do.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
During the draft, like I don't do mock drafts, I'll
do Fox Sports tradial. And he kept calling me and
somebody had gave him some bad information that the Rams
are trying to trade up for Bonex and I'm like, dude,
they're not. They're not trading off for He was convinced.
He was convinced he was, and he was driving me crazy.
He was calling him a million times in a bro
I'm telling you you're good. Nobody in front of you
has him you're good. And finally he was like, I
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know someone gave me information the.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Rams are trained up.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
And I literally called Sean McVay and I said, you
just tell you to me a favor. Can I let
Sean McVay didn't even look at the quarterbacks, He literally
didn't look out.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
They didn't great the quarterbacks. They were a draft to one.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
So I said, can I let Sean Payton know say
you're not right, because this dude ain't gonna sleep for
like five more days, and he's driving me crazy. I
think Sean McVeigh at first goes, wait another couple of days,
then you can do it. And then finally, like it
was like he kept calling and like two days earlier,
I said, hey, dude, McVeigh has allowed me to they're
not trading up from You're good, You're golden.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
But he loved them that much. And Sewan's different man.
He's a culture changer.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Culture is everything you wanted to know why Washington never
won with Dan Snyder. Culture Jets don't win, Wood Johnson
culture Cleveland don't win. You only get the first year
of day one wonder Jimmy Aslam is when no won
except football. People are allow inside the building because of COVID. Well,
Sean Payton probably had the biggest uphill badle. He went
down to the Saints and he and Mickey Loomis taught
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mister Benson how to be an owner.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
He just didn't know any better.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Some of these other guys look at it like I'm
a billionaire.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
So I know better than you and any business.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
And I told them straight out like, would you hire
Sean Payn or Mike Tomlin or Andy Reid to run
your business so totally different?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Well, then why do you think you make a second round? Right?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Well, that's what Sean Payton does. He changed that culture
where they were wearing bags on their heads in New Orleans.
Juggernaut a super Bowl juggernaut. Right, He's gonna do the
same thing in Denver. He found his quarterback. He's a
little evil genius and he's gonna continue to put in
a round bow. And but I love too his boat,
him to take his crap, and that's what you need.
(04:22):
I love the Jay always does that. It'll put those little,
those little extras in there for you. Uh, And that's
that's always appreciated. Whatever you get a chance to talk
to him.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
A chance to talk to Jay at the draft in
Nashville a few years ago.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
You know, swamp numbers and all that good stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
He's he's one of those guys will who'll will sprinkle
those extra anecdotes and when he gives you those stories,
and yeah, I thought it was good. First of all,
it confirms their rams were not trading up. They were
always looking for the for the edge rusher. There and
they wound up getting him to me. I love that
at the end there where he's like he's sitting there like,
(04:57):
you know, I think he's gonna get Denver there. And
I the fact that Bow doesn't take his crap, you know.
And and that's not a.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Shot at Russ. But Russ was so passive.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
You know, we all saw the Detroit game and what
was going on there, and we all saw Bow this year.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
And Sean likes it.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Are coaches like that, They like it when players smart
players will push back, you know, and not you don't
have to do that in a way that he's obnoxious
or disrespectful. But he did the battle in the moment
when you're you know, your your voices are elevated, you're
in an elevated.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Tone, and they'll push back. I'll tell you. John Ruden
used to love that. Rich Gannon would do that well,
and Drew Breesy used to do with Sean Payton.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
At New Orleans, right, and you can you can there
are guys that do that. And John and Rich used
to get into it on the sidelines.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
They used to get into it. And but but you know,
you asked John rud to beat that down. I'll tell you.
You know, they he loved that. He loved that pushback
because they got him thinking too. You know, he's like, well,
wait a minute, what am I missing here?
Speaker 5 (05:53):
You know?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
And the last thing you want is a bunch of
yes men in anything that you're doing. The last thing
you want is to surround your yes people. You want
people that'll challenge you. Then you may be right, you
may go with the decision that you laid out there,
but you at least want to consider that. You know,
that sort of diversity of opinion around you. One of
the best bits of advice I ever got was surround
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yourself with smart people to disagree with you, you.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Know, because they will.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
They will challenge your perceptions on things, and that will
make you stronger. It leads to make you more convicted
in your opinion because you'll examine these other points of view,
or it'll help you change your mind to find a
better path one of the two.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
And so, you know, I think that that was I
thought that that was a good, little, maybe maybe underlooked comment.
At the end of that.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Congratulations to a Rod who's out there in New Orleans
for securing that the videos up. If you guys want
to see that the video and audio up at the
KWI Twitter account at Kwei Colorado, and you guys can
get that. We've got some other other things going on tonight.
The NFL honors pats Er Tans up for Defensive Player
of the Year.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I think he's gonna get it. I do too.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
The betting surely has gone that way. That doesn't help
my pocket book out because I went the other directions.
So the preseason I.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Put a ticket for TJ whe and already cash that
went out. Yeah, you got to put a good paycheck
from that there season ticket.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I did it right.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And then the Nick Benito one I took early on
in the season, and I was like, oh, I got
a shot at this.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
But about three quarters of the way through the season,
I was like, oh, well, when we.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Have Ryan Michael on for his one year anniversary coming
up here at the top of the hour, you did
call something else for Nick Benito's season that we're going
to get to. Well, well, I'll be interested to hear
in June June twenty sixth.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Good lord, Okay, Well, I'm assuming you guys have audio
on that or something.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Oh, I got it ready, of course you do, all right, Well,
we'll see. Hopefully it's a good thing and not to
not super embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I I, yeah, I think that Cirtan's got a good
shot at winning it, do I. I mean, at the
end of the day, I'm going to hope that he
wins it, because you know, Denver and all that does
he do. I think he deserves it. I don't know,
there's a couple of players out there I thought, you know,
might have been more in line Van Ginkel, you know,
and what he did this year was phenomenal. I think
Stan certainly longs in the conversation whether or not he
(08:01):
wins it. If I were, if I were in a
vacuum doing it, I don't know, buy us is that
for it?
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Hendrickson and yeah, Scarrett, Yeah, so t J.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Watt, you know, and all those guys, they're they're all
I mean, at this point, you gotta think it's going
to be PS two though, And so much of the
award for him isn't on statistical accomplishment. It's on the
lack of statistical accomplishment for the guys that he's opposite,
and that that's the way you have to frame that,
(08:32):
because you go, look, you look on paper, you look
at the numbers, like like, look at what Van Giggle
put up in terms of interceptions, fumbles, recoveries, tackles, all
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
And you know, if you were just doing it off
the box score, you'd say, okay, this should this should
probably be it. But if you go back and look
at the tape, you look at what.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
What Certan did in terms of holding people to very
low numbers are very low productivity. Opposite him in a
league that favors the offense. Frankly, the rules we all
know favor of the offense. And I think that what
he did is certainly special. If he does win it,
(09:07):
I'm super happy for him. Uh and I believe based
on looking at the betting patterns here, the public at
large certainly believes that he's going to win.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Well, what was the stat making the rounds.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
It was like eight wide receiver Wanse held under thirty
yards or best or something.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
It was an absurd number. I mean, that's like Durell
Reevas territory.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, getting getting close to Rivas Island territory. And that
is I mean, and it's not just that. I mean
there were times where I mean you have that, but
then you also have his versatility, like for instance, when
the Raiders, uh where, when they were playing the Raiders,
he would be lined up on Brock Powers at times,
you know, to take him away and Brock, I mean
Brock is their top receiving option.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
But so it was a wide receiver. I mean he's
a tight end. And so that you know that changed up.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I think you go back and you look it after
he got hurt and Riley Moss got hurt, how the
defense changed at the end of the year and how
they struggled kind of at the end of the year.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
That's why.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
And I think he was the biggest cog to that machine.
You know, the Broncos had players go down of the
course of the year. I mean Alex Singleton went out
and we didn't miss a beat, but Patzertan went down
at all of a sudden. There was there was a
significant drop off in what it is that the Broncos
were were able to do well.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
And I think there's something to be said of being
the best player on a good unit, you know. I
mean the Broncos were top five and most defensive statistical
categories this year. Trey Hendrickson had a phenomenal year, but
the Bengals defense sucked. Yeah, Joe Burrow had an amazing year.
If they make the playoffs, maybe he's the front runner
(10:39):
for MVP.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I think they would.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I think if they win that we're having a whole
different conversation about MVP.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
If the playoffs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was fascinating.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
And then of course the Bengals changed defensive coordinators, they
got lou Aarumo fired. And it's funny you go the
one season you're a hot candidate for possibly be at
a head coach, Hanarumo interviewed multiple places, including Arizona.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And then the next year you're fired. It's the NFL
for you, Noah got you get another job. Though. People
don't lose the respect for him around the league.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Well, right, And that's the thing I think everybody knew.
It wasn't really Hill. I mean, the injuries and the
personnel were kind of a problem there in Cincinnati this
past year. I got some other sound while he was
down there. I got some sound from former NFL quarterback
Michael Vick.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I think Voe Nicks is a great quarterback.
Speaker 7 (11:28):
You know, when you're under a guy like Sean Pigon,
you're gonna get a lot of offensive concepts that just
make sense to you. Sean understands the game, knows the game,
so they get to pass that down to a guy
like vote Vote Say credit has a lot of experience
as well, and he had a lot of collegiate snaps
and saying a lot of defenses, so he understands football
(11:51):
and know how to talk it.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
You know, understanding how to talk it.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
Then you can think it through, like when it's happening
really really really fast.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Think I mean play on his last.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
Like four seconds, so so many things happened in four
to five seconds. You can protest that, break it down
and make it a success.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Man.
Speaker 7 (12:07):
Then as a rookie made the playoffs, you got a bright.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Huton Michael Vick on bow Nicks, say Rod for that one.
We also had a couple other interviews. You got your
favorite podcast, Rant Dues on Dudes, Rob.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Gronkowski Dudes on Dudes.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
He was talking about, you know, everybody in the Broncos
country is thinking about having more weapons for Bonnicks, and
he talked about the value of having an elite tight
end in your offense.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
Yeah, you need an elite tight end in the NFL
if you want to compete if you want to have
a legitimate offense, if you want to score points. So
I just feel like that's the way, you know, it's
been headed towards over the last you know, decade or
so over the last fifteen years. And if you want
to be able to move the ball, you got to
have a tight end that can you know, be the
quarterback safety valve and a guy that can actually help
(12:56):
out in the run game as well, you know, and
and that opens up the play action because you can't
do play action really.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
If you don't have a solid tight end. And that's
why tight ends are just so undervalued.
Speaker 8 (13:07):
I believe they really really are, and they help out
not just in the past game, but the run game
and also in the play action game. That's where the
tight ends truly make the most impact, and it can
open up they'll run and pass in because of that
play action. So having a great tight end I believe
is crucial to success if you want to go deep
(13:28):
in the playoffs now and have a solid offense.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
It really is. And that's not being self serving because
he was a tight end. It really is. I mean,
in the modern NFL, if you don't have someone who is.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Either a possession safety blanket for your quarterback kind of
tight end, which is sort of what Travis Kelsey is now.
Or if you don't have an explosive game breaker, like,
for instance, a brock powers, you're a disadvantage. You need
those kind of guys who change the way you play defense.
(14:04):
You need those kind of guys that you can move
around a little bit. And I know the term here,
everybody's a joker, joker joker, which you know, really it's
offensive weapon, mismatch guy, whatever, you know they call it.
You know, everybody's seized on that term joker because they
heard it, because you know whatever.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
But the reality is, it can be whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
It's a mismatch guy, whether it's somebody like somebody like
Reggie Bush who you line up at the backfield or
you can move them back to the slot. Whether it's
somebody like Taysom Hill, who you could put it at
full back, running back, quarterback, slot receiver, tight end, whatever,
Jimmy Graham, you could put it slot receiver or I mean,
excuse me, it a tight end or wider re split
(14:41):
him out.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Why make a wide receiver?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
You know, whatever that is, I just call it, like ow,
you know, I just called offensive weapon. And this is
a mismatch guy, and you know, he's a multifaceted mismatch.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Guy, and that's sort of what the Broncos need.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
And that's why while everybody's talking about guys like Colston
Loveland or things like that, those guys love it's a bit.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
More of a traditional tight end. I'm looking at guys
like like a Roddi Gadsden, who is I mean with
the ball in his hands.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Looks like a wide receiver and you know his daddy
was a wide receiver. I don't know if you guys
remember Roddy Gadsden senior playing for the Miami Dolphins, but
that you know, he kind of reminds me like you're
watching him and I'm like, well, this guy, you know,
I mean, he's he's a tight end, but he looks
like a receiver with the ball in his hands, and
to me, it feels like somebody that could fit that role.
(15:29):
There's a couple of running backs I think that are
excellent receivers. Good buddy Mario Ovitanzi posted one today, a
little bit on the smaller side, but excellent receiver. I've
talked about Amrio and Hampton You're not really gonna line
him up as a receiver, but he catches well out
of the backfield. I've talked about Leaquin Allen. That guy
reminds me Alba Kamara. You just watch him play. He's
(15:50):
a little bit smaller than Kamora, but not by much.
Where's he out of Syracuse? Gads didn't you could? You
can go put go Pop on the Syracuse tape because
you go to see Gasden, you can see Laquinn and
are you're gonna say gimme You know you're gonna you're
gonna put Britney Spears on and you'll be like, give me,
give me more because you're gonna see some guys on
that that team that you're like, yeah, I got I
got an idea how we could use that.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
And and that's you know, and that's sort of the
thing everybody.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Sees on the time when we had the the Sean
Payton audio yesterday.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
And I don't really want to get to right next
to this a little bit long, but he we'll get
to it again.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Uh seven thirty probably, he said when when Kadams was
trying to lead him with the question talk about veteran
wide receiver and he kinda he kind of pushed that down.
He pushed it down into the UH, into the needs category.
But he was really sort of dismissive of that overall,
and it was more, hey, look, we need the we
need a mismatch.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
We know we must have a mismatch guy. We know
we need that. We know we must have that. Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
And then he talks, you know, a little bit of
the tight end running back, you know, as far as
that goes, and the.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Other positions that he mentioned before he even got back.
Two a veteran wide receiver was free safety and inside linebacker.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
And I think you know again that that kind of
falls in line with what we've been talking about here,
is that you know, they're viewing these offensive weapon mismatch
guys one or and maybe not just one, maybe two
of them. Inside linebacker and free safety is the priorities.
And you know this whole veteran wide receiver thing, and
you know how it is, everybody from every fan base
always wants the best guy, and they, oh, we should
be in on you know, Cooper cup and T Higgins
(17:31):
and Randy Moss and you know whatever.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
And you know that's fine.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
There's there's a certain exuberance for that, and that's fine,
but realistically, I don't think this team, I don't think
that's what they're looking at. I think they're looking at
their young receiving core that they developed, and they got
big fans for Vyle.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
The whole reason they.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Cut Tim Patrick was they had big plans for Davon Vley.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Then he got crack Ribs early in the season that
kind of threw all that off.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
But man, in that same interview with Kay Adams, he
gushed out the young wide receivers like he loves this
young wide receiver corps.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, and I you know they can.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
If you go back and look at how Sean Payton
has conduct constructed offenses, it's it's pretty easy to see
more or less what he's gonna do here, you know.
And if they keep sutting, okay, but if not, Veley
slides over into that exposition, Marvin Mims will be the
backside Z.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
And then you go out and get a slot guy.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
You go get like a DJ Shark out of free
agency to be, you know, somebody like that at that level.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
You're not You're not spending big money on that. It's
just not what they do. It's not how he constructs offenses,
and so I get it. I got some pushback on that. Well,
you never drafted a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Okay, okay, fine, you know, but he did go get
a quarterback. It's just the history and the way that
they've laid that out make it seem pretty apparent that,
you know, they're going to continue to kind of roll
with doing things the way that Sean Payton wants to
do them, and we've certainly seen the blueprint on that.
We come back roncos coloradost Rick Lewis will ask him
(18:59):
what the fun?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Rog just got Knight back?
Speaker 6 (19:02):
After this, Ben Grant.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
What the funk? I'll tell you what the funk? And
it's a question for you, Ben. I don't want to
say I've noticed, but I hear your hair has been thinning.
Is it true? Yes?
Speaker 6 (19:18):
It has.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Much like the Petter family, I feel like I need
to go out here and reside the turf.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Well, there's a lot of options out there, Ben, as
you know, and you know what, I don't know how
you would look with a shaved head. A lot of
guys look great in a shaved head. In fact, some
guys even look better. So that's a potential option. For you.
But I'm going to give you a little pro tip.
There's a supplement called hyaluronic acid. Have you heard of it?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I have not.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Okay, Well, a holistic dot, one of the best holistic
dots in the country, told me about this probably fifteen
to twenty years ago when I was having some issues,
some back and hip issues. So hiluronic acid and this
is legit, This is legit advice for you. Your body produces
it naturally. It's in your eyes, your joints, your skin,
(20:10):
and your hair. And it's really great for your hair
because it draws just kind of moisture into all those
things I mentioned And you could possibly, maybe after a
year of using this, have a pelt similar to mine,
which I know you envy, Yes, and everybody, I mean everybody.
(20:30):
I get a lot of hair compliments, as you know,
and I think this is something you should take a
look now. The only problem is, you know you're going
to be have to trim in your you know, your eyebrows,
your nose hair, your ear hair on a pretty regular basis.
But I think that's a sacrifice that is worth making
to get your pelt back.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Well, then maybe then you can grow a beard.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, look at this, then maybe I could actually grow
beard as well. I will say, I'll I'll give this
a shot. I would rather have to trim areas up
than meant the lack of coverage, uh in you know,
in other areas, So you definitely do that. One thing
that is not an option for me is the shaved
head angle.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I've I've been through this. I was do this in
the military.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
And I don't know if you've ever seen the Lord
of the Rings movies, but the Gollum character is loosely
based on what I look like.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
With a shaved head.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
Okay, so that's not an option.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I do not have the dome for that.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Yeah, trying to highly run against it. It's really good
for a lot of things, including your joints. It's one
of the best stupplements out there.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Okay, well I'll give it. I'll give it a Yeah,
I'll give it a crack.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
We'll see what's uh, we'll see what's up with that
somebody who there?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
It is? Yes, that character, Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's
not good. Uh Rick.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
You know, we've had an interesting super weak an you
guys down there in uh in New Orleans, lots of
lots of interviews, lots of people singing the praises of
bow Nicks. What are you most looking forward to, uh
next year? Season two with.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Bow continued growth. You know, he had a really good
rookie year. I think we saw him get better pretty
much from week to week, you know, kind of a
slow start. I remember after the first game, a lot
of us that are in this business going wow. I
was kind of expecting, you know, a little bit more
(22:22):
from him based on what we saw in camp and
what we saw in preseason. But Maddy, this guy has
got to be one of the fastest learners in the
National Football League. Man, he processes things so well, and really,
after those first two games, he looked like a completely
different guy. By the time we got to the end
of the season, he was playing at a really high level.
(22:45):
And I think he's just going to get better. You know,
you do see quarterbacks regress sometimes in year two. I
don't think that's going to happen with him. I don't
think Sean Dayton will let that happen.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Tyler rig lewis color analyst to the Never Broncos.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Rick Shawn was down there on Ky Adams Show and
as he usually does. He was giving more detail it's
a cave than he usually gives to anybody else. Talked
about some of the wants and needs for the Broncos,
and specifically laid into that offensive weapon. You know, the
term everybody's talked about with the joker term, but really
it just means a mismatched guy, whether it's a running
back or tight end whatever. As you look at this,
(23:20):
what would you like to see the Broncos pursue most heavily.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Yeah, and this is something we talked about pretty much
all year. I think the tight end is I would.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Say tight end. I say one a running back, one
B and then inside linebacker number two on that list,
I think the tight end would have the biggest impact,
a real.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Playmaking, path catching tight end. I think if they had
that guy this season, they win more than ten games,
That probably win twelve just with the addition of somebody
like that. I think they'll probably go out and get
that guy, whether it's in the draft or free agent,
(24:06):
whoever they can get in and I think that guy
will make a big difference. Running back. You know, there's
a lot of a lot of I would say serviceable
running backs out there, and running backs that you can
get in round four and five that can turn out
to be pretty good. Look at Chrell Davis. That's why
I think tight end is probably the most critical position
(24:27):
for them going into next year.
Speaker 7 (24:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I tend to agree.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
And as we look at this and we look at
Sean Payton's offense and what has made it most successful,
it's been having somebody with game breaking ability at that position,
opening things up for everybody else. You look at how
that offense typically runs, it's it's a running back on
choice routes, the ex receivers running slants, and then you
get that tight end, you know, clearing things out. And
Sean Payton's credit has gotten four all pro seasons out
(24:52):
of three different tight ends throughout his career as a
head coach, which is an impressive feat.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Yeah, that's been one of the most important things I
think for his offensive scheme. And he talks about it
all the time. You know, he talks about the joker
and when we hear that all the time, they thought
Dulsage could maybe be that guy. We talked about, Hey,
maybe Marvin Mims could be that guy. But I think
(25:20):
they'll go out and get it. There's going to be
year three for Sean Payton. I think it's essential for
him to get that guy to get to that next level,
not only make it to the playoffs postseason, but to
win one or two. And he said something this week
that I really liked, don't I don't have the exact quote,
(25:42):
but something like, you know, we're going to be trouble
for people next year. Was that the quote?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Is that what he said, Yeah, We're going to be trouble.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Yeah, something like that. Yeah, And I love the fact
he said that, and I believe he's right about that.
If they just put a few more pieces on this team,
specifically on the offensive side of the ball, I think
they're going to be a tough out for anybody next year.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Ty with Rick Lewis color Elis to the never Broncos.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, that's gonna be interesting next year because the Broncos
did sort of have I don't way say have built
in advantage, but kind of in the sense that they
snuck up on some people this year. You know, people
don't expected that the books had them at five and
a half wins. You know, teams didn't really take I
think the Broncos as seriously as they probably should have.
They're not going to have that next year. Everybody knows
that they've got bon Nicks. Everybody knows that this team
(26:29):
made the playoffs. I don't think they're going to be
able to sneak up on teams next year. It's gonna
be interesting to see what the weight of expectations brings
to this young roster.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Yeah, you know what, I can't wait. I think Broncos
Country probably feels the same way. You know, we got
a taste of what they can do with this great
rookie quarterback Bone Knicks. I think most people expect him
to continue to get better, and Broncos Country, I think
(27:00):
should be excited about the twenty twenty five season. I
know I am, and you know you made a good point.
They're not going to be able to sneak up on
teams anymore, but I think they're going to be at
least a game or maybe two games better this year
if they can plug in those pieces that we talked
(27:22):
about and maybe win eleven, maybe twelve games, and you know,
going into a postseason next year. I know we're getting
way ahead of ourselves there. But that's the optimistic side
of me, and I prefer to live on the optimistic side,
but I do think it's realistic as well well.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
We always appreciate that perspective. Rick, You got any shows
coming up here in your future?
Speaker 5 (27:43):
I do, yeah, man, I have a really cool show
coming up March first. It's a Saturday night in Parker
at a really cool place called the Wild Goose, and
it's my band with the Freddie Jones band Freddie Jones
out of Chicago go had a couple of big hits
in the nineties, and really looking forward to the show.
(28:04):
We're going to open. We're going to play a seventy
five minute set, then they'll play a ninety minute sec
kind of a co headline situation, and really looking forward
to it.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
That sounds like a lot of fun right road from
where I used to live.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I'm not sure if we're at the Combine or not,
but if I'm not, I'm gonna drop by.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
You Know what you ought to do is get a
hold of k Atoms and bring her to the show.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I get text her for you, Matt, and I'll see
if she can come on up.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
Well, I mean for you specifically. I think I think
she's perfect for you. I'll tell you what, what do
we have a couple of weeks. Three weeks with the
hyaluronic acid. Yeah, yeah, I think that'll be enough. You
get k Adams to go with you to that show,
and I'll make it appear as if you're a really
big deal here in Denver on the stage.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I don't take a lot of heavy lifting on your parts.
And so since I'm not, and since she was dating
Daniel Jones, I don't know if she still is or not.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
But not but anyway, okay, I did the research on that.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Say, hey, that's what we have you in here for.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Before we let you out here real quick, Rick, we
got to go.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
But what's your supert prediction?
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Man? You know what I'm thinking? Eagles, although you know
it's so hard to bet against Patrick Mahomes. I took
the Bills in that game. I was all in on
the Bills three or four different parlays. It didn't hit
any of them, and so I'm kind of on the fence.
I haven't made my mind up yet, but I'm leaning Eagles.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
All right. Well, well we'll roll with that for now.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Rick.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
We appreciate it as always, brother.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
All right, guys, thanks for having me on yep.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Take care, Rick, Lewis color Hiles for your never Broncos.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
It's funny because I had somebody stop me yesterday and
they're like, dude, your hair is not like you know,
it's not it's not like bad like it's it's it's
definitely thinning, but it's not like I'm bald.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
We make out. They get to think it much much more.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Because's funny because people say, like, wait a minute, what
are you talking about, Like, it's it's just finning, dude,
Like I you know.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
It's it's it's it's driving me nuts because I'm a
vain person. But they're all a good ball. So yeah,
please don't shave your head. Oh nobody, nobody wants that.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I thought about giving myself the reverse mohawk, just hollowing
that out in the fire time.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Now I'm kidding. I'm gonna bring that hairstyle the friar
talk back. Oh like, uh, who was that Tim Tebow
who got that? Yeah like that, Yeah, yeah that was
you know, that's the day.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
And we were talking about that the other day with
the rookie haircuts and they don't do that stuff anymore
or whatever. Man, there was a there was a time
modern tradition Yeah, that one was kind of harmless, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
I mean that's like goes right along with carrying the pads. Yeah,
everything these days is hazing.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
Though.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Let's talking about that because we're talking about when I
used to be in the army, you know, and I
got in trouble for quote hazing. It was I used
a red permanent marker to draw in people's throats when
I caught him sleeping on duty. You know, when I
was sleeping the guard towers, I just run the run
the marker over the throats or whatever.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Like this is what could happen.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, And the guy at the time who was the
sergeant major the entire eighty second Airborne, the commassmart Major
of the second Airport, he yeah, like verbally, you dressed
me down in front of everybody in the dining facility
for for haunting orban for uh.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Hazy hazing. And I was like, you gotta be kidding me, man, Like.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
These dude, like the problem is me with the red
marker and not the guys who are falling asleep on
our guard towers and war.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Literally not doing their job and rescuing all of our lives.
I know my brother, though he's got he was in
the Marines, and some of the stories he has about hazying,
I mean, oh yeah, not even close to suitable for air.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Oh yeah, yeah. We got plenty of those.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
The soap party for you know, for people who didn't
shower and stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I never like that was the thing. It was the
first time in my life I had encountered people that
just like showering was optional, just dirty. Gross.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I'm like, how do you people exist, especially when you're
in the military and you know you're getting.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah, take a shower, man, it'll be fun. Well, six
six nights Yero.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
We got Rian Michael coming up here next talk about
his new gig in the European Football League, and I.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Guess kind of reminiscing at the last year since he's
been a contributor on this show, celebrating a whole year.
It does not feel like a whole year. We've had
Ryan Michael on the show Time flies maw So we'll
get to that when we come back. You Broncos Country Night,
bring here, okay away
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