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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But if you have Broncos country tonight, Benjamin ol Bright,
(00:02):
Nick Ferguson, Grant Smith back there.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Five six sixty nine zero is the text line.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
My phone got blown up today about forty different text
direct messages, all that kind of stuff. Well, don let
me check the exact time this happened, As he says,
around eleven am, give or take, my phone got blown
up by people all of a sudden wanting to know.
(00:30):
It was about twelve thirty. It's about people wanting to
know about the Broncos and Deebo Samuel, and I don't
know where exactly this one started. Apparently somebody on the
Internet had a tweet or something, but from what I understand,
that's not as big a thing as it's being made
out to be. Deemo Samuel did request the trade and
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he's been given permission by the forty nine ers for
him and his agent, who's Tory Dandy, to facilitate that.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
And people started asking naturally.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Because Deebo played both just kind of running back and
wide receiver for Kyle Shanahan. If you know that was
a sense the Broncos are in on this. I'm hearing it.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I'm here.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Everybody Alway says they're hearing it. Dude, if you read
it on Twitter, you're not hearing it. Just say you
read it on Twitter. First of all, that's my pet, Peeve.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I'll get this.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I'll get like a whole bunch of message. Dude, I'm hearing,
and I'm like, you're hearing. Who'd you hear it from?
And of course you know, and so that's uh huh. Anyway,
I had some other you our own, Ryan Edwards reached
out who actually was hearing it from somewhere else, so
that that precludes that. But anybody else, if you read
it on Twitter, you're not hearing it. I don't believe
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that that's a thing. I find it difficult to believe
that the Broncos would trade multiple assets for a player
who's the reason that you'd want him. He doesn't want
to be like he doesn't want to be that multi
faceted there any wants to be a receiver, he wants
the bag, he wants to get paid.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
He's got a thirty million dollars cap number. In twenty
twenty six. He averages less than sixty yards. For his
entire career, he averages less than sixty yards per game.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
He has a fumbling problem and is the.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Worst wide receiver over the last five years in terms
of drop rate, And I don't like all of a sudden,
everybody's LIKEX sweat me, like, well, oh, we got to
get this guy for the Joker roll, the Joker roll,
And I'm like, can we just can we first of all,
can we stop calling it the joker? We call it mismatch,
because like, that's another pet peeve I'll get into another time.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I don't think that that's I don't think the.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Broncos are gonna do that. He's twenty nine years old,
he wants a ton of money. You're gonna have to
give up draft picks to me. And then I started wondering, like,
why is this information suddenly out there? If the Broncos
were doing this, wouldn't they move in silence? You know,
real gez move in silence like Lasagna?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I said, as you did.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Then I I'd like, I don't understand exactly what the
want would be there, but a pair they have a bunch
of Broncos fans, you know, it's just an Any big
name comes up, you want to be in the mix
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
This is one you don't want to be anywhere near
a mercurial.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Almost thirty wide receiver who wants thirty million dollars a year.
And the reason you'd want to miss his versatility except
he doesn't want to be versatilet oh, by the way,
he fumbles the ball more than Melvin Gordon, and he
drops the ball at the worst rate in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Well, Ben, I'm going to push back. No, no, oh, yes, well, anyway.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Well before you do, I checked on this, and I
think it's between the Steelers and the Commanders.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
But anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Well, the reason I'm going to push back is because.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
The moment that was posted on x obviously there were
roomors about, oh, you know what, he'd be a great
frit fit with the with the Denver Broncos, and.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I looked at it from this point.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Would he be an excellent fit for what the Broncos
need as an impact player? Absolutely figuring out the money
part and the trait you know, that may be a
little more difficult, which would put maybe Deebo Samuels outside
of the range of the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
But I've seen wilder things happen.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
No one thought that Saquon Barkley would leave the Giants
and end up with the division of rival Eagles.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
And it happened a little bit different because.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Well, I know, but just for the concept that type
of player going to a division rival and then what
Saquon was looking for the Giants were unwilling to give him.
But how Roseman say, Look, we're gonna roll the dice.
We're gonna take a chance. And obviously it was an
unpopular one because the idea was that, well, the running
backs are losing their value. They have too much trade
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on tread them don't have enough tread on the tire correction.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
So we should go ahead and move past them.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
My problem was that is that in the same breadth
you praise the player for the level of toughness, but
at the same time you discount them because you say
they have too much knowledge on the tires. And when
I look at Deebo Samuels and I looked this up.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Now, the idea was that, well, he fumbles too much.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
In the six years that Deebo Samuels has been with
the forty nine ers, he's fumbled six times.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Right, yes, I have a wildly different Okay.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Well, okay, please present me you have But from what
I was looking up six times he's fumble fumbled over
his career, and then the other thing was I think
the more important thing. People were saying, well, he's often
banged up. When you look at the fact of Deebo
samues is some.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Of the games that he's missed.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
He's missed several games.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
With a hamstring injury, and I think it was one year,
if I'm not mistaken, where he missed nine games.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
That was in twenty twenty yep.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Right with the foot and a handmy all of those
things that can be remedy. But we know physicality is
associated with the game and the style of play that
he has. He is one of those guys that you
want on your team because guess what he is that
do everything?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Versatile, kind of like Eric metcap guy.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Right when you talk about where you look at college athletes,
what's kind of the total volume of all the things
that they do, from kick returning, part returning, rushing to
being a wide receiver. Deebo Samuels has that type of ability.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
And I'll take this really quickly.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I happened to walk past him on radio row. Now.
I always thought he was kind of a thick guy,
but he is truly six feet two hundred and twenty
twenty fifteen pound playing receiver.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
That's why.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
And most people are like, yeah, you know what, we
don't need to do that, we aloud have marble. Man,
let me tell you, those two guys and not created equals.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah, they're not the same, God they're not. But by
the way, the NFL I double checked his twelve twelve fumbles.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Over six year period.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Over six year period, that's not that that come on, now,
that's Melvin Gordon's average two per year.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
That's why.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
And we're talking about a guy who was used at
a volume by San Francisco because they use him as
a running back end a wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
He wanted to be paid as such. And I don't
have a problem with that.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
If I'm contributing in a very positive way, shouldn't I
get paid for what I do?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I'm not against him getting paid for it, and I'm
just for him getting paid somewhere else. I mean, you know,
he is the highest drop rate of any any wide
receiver over the last five years. What's the Volume's five
point six percent of the passes?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
What's the volume?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Because to me, you got to look at that, Well,
you're talking about three hundred and thirty four receptions. I
mean that's you know, ten percent of that would be
thirty three drops. Five percent of that would be you
know what is that fifteen sixteen drops? I mean you're
talking about it, you talk about five. You're talking about
a drop every three or four games to drop pass.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
For me, I don't have the pod problem with that,
because once.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Again, when you have when the volume is what it is,
you have to figure at some point there may be
a fum move, there may be a drop pass, especially understanding.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
How Kyle Shenehan was utilizing.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Well, but this is percentage, Like, it doesn't matter the
vlume it it's by a number of receptions like he
has the highest rate, like not the highest number, the
highest rate, high percentage. So it's based on it's the volume.
AD accounts for volume. Like that's to me, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I don't know. I'm not spending that on that.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I'm not spent at draft capital in thirty million a
year on that. If I was gonna spend money on
a twenty nine year old receiver, I just pay Courtland Sudden.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
But you're not. But I saw a grand strike. You
said but you're not getting the same level of production.
It's it doesn't look the same.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Well, you're getting more production actually, because the guys, he's
never had more than sixty yards a game.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Okay, here's what we're looking at.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
And the listening audience, both Grant and being following me
in this exercise. You are a defensive coordinator. Hell, you
a linebacker, a safety.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Oh, he's a chess piece. What's one of those.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Guys you a fearful of? What's one?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Well, that's just to say he's a chess piece. I mean,
he absolutely is. But I feel like you can find that.
I mean, Taysom Hill's gonna come for you this year.
Saint's going to have to cut in and move on. Wait,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
So the Saints got themselves in trouble right over paying
for Taysom Hill.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Well, and they recommended that that that.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
That the Broncos look at Taysom Hill to do the
same thing.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Smell is gonna cost you half what it costs you
to get Deebo Samuel.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
But but for me even Okay, let's compare those two players, right,
who's going to be more productive?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
We know that both guys and physical guys both guys, But.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Which guy that you feel you truly feel as though
you're gonna get the most production out of Well, I'm
not talking about design quarterback runs and things of that nature.
I'm talking about the most bang.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
For your buck. I mean you're gonna get more receiving yards.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
At a debo, he said, you know he's a better
athlete when all said and done, Uh.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Is that what you need?
Speaker 4 (09:48):
You're gonna get more rush yards. You just got to
Taysom Hill and then you get to that shoreyardist. I
mean Tim Tebow did that when the Rex snaps, he
did that?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
What right?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
They both came into Lee League. Well, tay Tasom Hill
game in the league I think a year before. Yeah,
But at the end of the day, if you had
to guess which of the two has more touchdowns, Taysom.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Milleror Deebo Samuel, who would you guess?
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Well, Well, overall of this past season, probably Taysom Hill
because they like they get him the ball like on
fourth and whatever, third and one in the red zone.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
So I would say Taysom Hill for the.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Tam Hill overall.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Okay, last season I would say Taysom Hill. Also, Tasom
Hill right, because when I piked about.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Four touchdowns combined last year, tastam at six rushing alone.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
When you think about what Taysom Hill is, he's a
gadget quarterback. They get inside the red zone, quarterback design run.
He's a big guy, he's physical, he runs into the
end zone. When you think about the offense that Kylee
Shanahan utilizes and Deebo Salmons and mixing that, they have
so many other guys that they utilize, and I'm thinking
in that time, you look at Christian McCaffrey and some
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of those other guys as being the lynch pin for
the offense when it comes to red zone scoring.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't know. I just look
at this and I'm like, I can get Taysom Hill
for half the cost. And I mean he's not as
good a receiver, but a good.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Receiver, you're going to get half the cost and you're
gonna get half the production. Now, I'm not waving a
banner saying that the Broncos should do this. I'm just
saying if if they were to look at it, then
I could see why they would do it, because to me.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
You you you can go find someone in college.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Football that can probably be a Deebo Samuews like for you,
But to say that Deebo Samuels would not operate well
in this offense, I would. I would say he would
definitely be an added weapon for Sean Page.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Imst say he doesn't fit.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I'm just saying, like for me, I feel like there
are better options at the price point. At the end
of the day, I don't want to trade draft capital
for him. I don't want to pay him thirty million
dollars a year. And you know, he's been mercury all
over there in San Francisco and liked the role that
he had there. Instead, since he wants to just be
a receiver, I mean, is that prosturing for a contract
or you seriously, you don't want to do the one
thing that we're bringing in here for the versatility.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
But wait a minute, I mean he he has versatility
to do both things, and he can be a full
time wide receiver. But if a team is utilizing your
skill set in that way, you want to get paid
for that, right, Just like Jimmy Graham was like, hey, listen, hey,
you guys that utilized me as a wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
So I want to be used, so he pay me
as a wide receiver. That that didn't work out for him.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
But the idea is that don't squeeze all the juice
out of me and just run me in the ground
and then throw me away. No, no, no no. If
you're gonna use me in these two ways, I should
be paid. I man should agree he should be paid.
I just wanted to get paid in Pittsburgh and not
here or Washington.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
What's left on Taysom Hill's contract?
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I had to go back and look, they're gonna cut
him though, because just because they're so, they're in such
cap shape.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Because I like the idea of bringing in Taysom Hill
and sign and resigning Courtland Sutton, Like, what's wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Well, Hill's going to cost you too much to probably
make that a factor. I mean he's Hill's going to
cost you, I mean alt nine million per He's going
to be a bigger deal than the Josh Reynolds thing.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
If you wanted to tell me, Well, the idea for
the Broncos bringing in you know, tast him here other
than the familiarity with Sean Payton is that, okay, we'll
put him at the tight end position. Right now, my
next name would be nat routes. Well, because if you
can't run rounds. He's no different than the guy that
the Broncos currently have on the roster.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
No different. Yeah, he runs for I mean no, no,
see I didn't say he runs route.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
The guys on the Broncos roster now they run routes,
but they are they're not great route runners.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
That's what we need. Gotcha a good rock runner.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Well he's he's a willing blocker and he does catch
the ball. I mean, you know in the last two
seasons he said fifty six receptions year.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I mean, hell, I mean you and I can do that,
right me.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I can't do that, but.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
You tell me you can't catch it. Back.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Oh, I thought he said throw a block. I was like, now,
I'm not throwing a block. Yeah, don't put me out there.
I'm trying to fuck anybody. I was like, man, I'm
taking what Look at Miles Garrett. I'm like, you wan
a free pass, dude, step on the way you go inside.
We're good.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
So the Brontos signe you two like a two year deal,
playing you two point five a year.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
You're not gonna get out there and just throw your
body out there.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Yeah, I would try it exactly be on ir after
the first bride.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
By the way, Taysom Hill in a post June one
cut is ten It frees up ten million dollars a
cap space for the Saints. That is by far the
largest amount they can free up on any contract outside
of it. I mean, Derek Carr isn't isn't net neutral.
It saves them a little bit of money. Those are
the two contracts that save them any money, and they're
like eighty million over the cap. Listen, he's coming free.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Well, Taysom Hills sounds great, right, It definitely sounds great.
But once again, my worry is were we putting him
if if we're gonna say that, what they're gonna do
with Taysom what they told Tim Tebow they was gonna
do with him, was gonna make turn you to Kyle
Juice check right?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Did that idea? Okay?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
And that would be the idea to be a tight end,
full back, slot receiver, gadget quarterback at the gold line
kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
And I'm gonna need a little more.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Did that for your backup quarterback covers your backup quarterback covers,
your backup quarterback as well.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
He covered beside bone Knicks.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
You don't think Sean Payton can draw up some plays
He tossed it to Taysom Hill, acts like he's running
a sweep and then bone Knicks is creeping down the
left sideline touchdown.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
How many of those gadget players you're gonna use in
a season?
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Because for being from a defensive standpoint, From a defensive standpoint,
if I if I come across the team that has
utilized a lot of gadget plays, that means that you
don't have faith in your players in your offense.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
That's what that means to me. So if you want
to bring him in as a tight end and you.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Say you're gonna coach him up on being able to
run the rounds, then would you with your selling right now, Grent,
I'll be like, Okay, I can see why they did it.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
I guess they did it.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I'm just like, to me, Taysom Hill and he already
knows the offense on top of it. To me, that's
just that just I just can't see paying debo thirty
million a year.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Also coming off an ACL injury though, too.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Right, Yeah, I mean right, Yeah, here's the thing about Debo.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Right, here's the thing about Deebo. He's missed some games,
but guess what, he's played through a lot of injuries.
With saying there's a lot of toughness in the player
he's played. He's played in fifteen games every season except
that one. Like, yeah, I'm not questioning his toughness. I'm
not questioning that he deserves to get paid. Those aren't
on the doc. And for me, I'm just questioning and
I'm not even questioning the fit here, I'm just questioning
the is the juice worth of squeeze? Well, it may
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not be worth a squeeze, but that doesn't mean that
you don't squeeze to find out.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
You gotta care for which is squeeze might get in trouble.
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Speaker 2 (17:03):
What happens when opportunity comes knocking. Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
It's kind of piggyback off of the situation with Deebo.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Samuel and I know last week we talked about, you.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Know, Cooper cup and with so many teams looking to
shave a little off the top as they look to
trim their salary cap and their expenses, there's gonna be
some veteran players that are going to come available, and
a lot of talk around the league is about, Okay,
where would these players go, what's the best home for them,
what's the best fit. And obviously we're gonna start talking about,
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you know, the Broncos. So when I think about the
Deebo Sammy conversation we just had last break, I said, Okay, well,
I think it's it's time that maybe that teams start
looking in a college ranks to saying, okay, but if
you don't want to pay a veteran like a Deebo
Samue's because IVY feel as though it's too much money,
age is an issue, or maybe injury comes up in conversation.
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Finding guys who might have played a little running back
in high school just kind of every now and again,
but they may be wide receivers. To now put those
guys in that particular position, because there are a couple
of teams that have experimented with it. With it, I mean,
obviously the semis is for forty nine ers, with Deebo,
they experimented with it, but also the Broncos attempted to
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do the same thing with Marvin Mems.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
So I'm looking at how do you.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Save the best years of Marvin moms An idea is
you want his speed to be going vertical.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
So going in this year's draft and trying to find
a guy.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Who has a running back type of build and he
plays with a certain level of physicality, that is the
guy that Now, if you're thinking about the you know,
think from the angle of the Denver Broncos to put
those that guy in that particular position to add more
of an impact player and weapons on the field to
help out bow knicks.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Well, yeah, I'm with you. I think we do need somebody.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
And you know, as much as I was making it
seem like and I don't really want Deebo Samuel here,
I'm not trying to knock the guy. He's a tough
runner when he wants to be. He is a phenomenal athlete,
you know, and all that kind of stuff. I don't
want to take anything away from Debo. It's not Deebo.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I don't want. It's Deebo's price tag. I don't want
you know.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I mean, that's that's the thing at the end of
the day, Like, I don't want to give up the
draft picks.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I don't want to pay the salary costs on that
kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
When I look at those, I'm like, I've looked at
what George Payton's been able to draft. I'm looking at
what else you can get for that money, And I'm like,
I don't, you know, as much as I always hate
the guys who are like, we can make it up
in the aggregate, we kind of can, you know, like
with this system, and this system does like that's that's
sort of what this system does. So I don't want
to take anything away from Debo. I do believe the
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Broncos need they need at least one mismatch guy. And
you know, as we sort of got a little taste
of that with Marvin with what they were trying. But
I'm with you, Marvin should be a vertical go deep
bang eight bang nine type player. Right. You saw Xavier
Worthy on a touchdown passer from a home with the rocket,
you know, in a super Bowl last night, but one
of the few redeeming plays for the Chief last night,
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And I was like, dear Lord, baby Jesus, I want
that for me. Can we get bowet Marvin? Can we
get bowling Marvin on that? Because Marvin's got every bit
of that speed, that same speed, you know. And so yeah,
I want to see Marvin mimsak taking the top off
this thing and honestly being used in the role that
Troy Franklin was used last year rather than the role
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Marvin mims was used in last year.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah, And I think for me, when we look at
the game of football, it is an ever evolving game,
and it's like for those who were just used to
just sticking to what is now becoming our kid ways
of playing the game, Now you're going to find yourself
right there in the past and we've seen no Deebo
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name comes up time. Montgomery was one of those guys
who played wide receiver and running back. Think about Devin
Hester and what he was able to do. He was
a corner by Trey, but looking at his skill set,
there was a number of things he can do from
a wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Standpoint, and especially he was held on special teams.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
So I'm saying that the Broncos have an opportunity as
they go through their evaluation process of these prospects you
were down to the senior boat. We have yet to
have that conversation, maybe doing on tomorrows show. But the
idea is that evaluating the guys a little differently and saying, okay,
but we need to take our offense to a whole
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different level. All are these prospects Wide receiver running backs
are so dynamic that we can add them to the mix.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
And now it adds another layer of weaponry that we.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Need that we have.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
And I think I think a lot of people look
at for instance, Boise states Ash and Chanty anythink but
he might be that guy at least at running back.
He's not a personal chess piece type, but he just
the position player that changes the game. I just he's
not going to be there for the Broncos. Broncos, and honestly,
everybody I've talked to is convinced he winds up in
the division with the Raiders there at six, which you know,
it kind of fascinates me a little bit.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Him and the Chip Kelly system.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
You know, Chip managers to get in his own protege
there at Judkins pair both those two backs up in
Arraider backfield man.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
That's that's a dangerous combo.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
So that would means though what the Broncos would be
what needs to do to offset that, because now you
have a division rival picking up pieces where they are
looking to exploit you defensively.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Now you now you have to go get an interior
guy to go with Zach Allen.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
And then the other part, which I think is the
most important part, is that now you need a second
level linebacker that can truck running chase guy.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Who can cover. I mean, that's that's the one.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I mean, Singleton's coming back, at least he'll be in
training camp, but I don't know what that age and
and you know, cut off that injury if he can
be that guy. But you gotta figure if you've got
Janty coming downhill and you got Judkins as a as
a jetpack, you know, going across a going across your formation.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Well that's gonna give you all kinds of fits.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
And that's with even without factoring in the fact that Bronck.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Bowers probably needs Sir Tan covered him in order to
make that work.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
So now once again you need a covers linebacker. I
have the veteran or rookie. Rife is a rookie. He
got not just wheels, but a high football IQ to
be able to adjust to the defense. And then now
you got to go to your secondary Brandon Jones is cool.
Now you got to go out there and get you
another safety too as well, because what you're asking is
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you got two prolific running backs with the mind of
Chip Kelly, and you have a tight end and Brock
Bombers who can stress the field and make your linebackers
happen to have to cover, which opens up that's five
yard space in front of those linebackers. And oh, by
the way, once those guys break through the interior get
on the edge, you need to have guys at the
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secondary level who can tackle and open field.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
So that's a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
That's a lot that you're trying to pack in in
one offseason.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah, and so it's not to get too far paced,
but you know that the Raiders are going to be
better next year whatever they do. But a lot of
people I talk who expected them to Chanty impossibly doubled
it with Jant and Judkins in that Chip Kelly offense.
They are going to pursue Sam Darnold, listener to this
show will know that I wouldn't be surprised they add
Marcus Mariota as well, since obviously he knows Chip knows
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the offense and that kind of stuff. You can serve
as a backup and a teacher and some of that
as well. So you know, the Raiders are going to
look different next year. This division is gonna be tough
next year. The Chargers, you know, they're going to put
another receiver over there. When they do, it's gonna make
Herbert that much better. Kansas City's Kansas City. Whatever you
think of them just getting their buts kicked by by Philly,
they're still a good football team. They lost one game
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all year if you unless you count their backups lose
into the Broncost end of the season. Well two games
all year for Cats super Bowl. But it's you know,
I mean, it's a tough division, and the Broncos have
got defined You're right, they've got to find things that
stress opposing defensive coordinators out. You got tough defensive coordinators
in this division. Patrick Grahant's tough defensive coordinator and that's
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that's the easiest one for the Then you turn around,
you've got.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Jesse Mintor over there with the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Uh and Steve spacyolo over there with Kansas said, you've
got to find a way to stress on that's six
of your games, you know, that's that's that's a thirty
of your season, a little over thirty your season right there.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
But this is well, then you have to break your
tendencies everything that from a scouting standpoint and from a
coaching standpoint that the Broncos have stood on up to
this point and that have worked, and from the from
this past season, even though they didn't get past Buffalo,
it was a successful season.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Now you have to take that and turn up the volume.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
You have to say, okay, well, how can we maximize
our offensive potential? Known as though both Nicks is on
a rookie deal, because he's not gonna be on a
rookie deal forever, and you want to make sure one
you have already had the culture built in. Not that culture, well,
you know, Sean Payton has come in. He's instilled the
way that he wants guys to operate in the locker room,
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out there in public. But culture to know that your
young guys have had an opportunity to see some veteran
guys on the tail end of their career come in
and change their culture. And for me, the one part
that I feel that the Broncos need, especially on the
offensive side, they need to be more.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Physical, yeshy.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
You need to be able to impose your will, and
they were most of the season.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Not able to do that.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
The exception to me is the Chiefs game at Arrowhead,
that six minute drive to get down there and melt
the clock.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Away and everything they did. Oh, they absolutely imposed their
will in that moment.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
They were physical, they were tough, they were running downhill
and then we just never saw it again.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
But that's one of those things, man, that makes you
pull your hair. I was like, once you show me
what you're capable of, I would say, cause you to
do that.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Don't take your foot off the gas, right.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
It was like, continue to put your foot on the
throat of your opponent and force them to call uncle
aunt and whoever else they want to call.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah, I don't understand our whole. Like, if this was
a race, Sean Payton would be changing cars every lap.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
You know, well, you know we we won that lap,
but we got to change it up the unpredictable this
lap so and changing the you know, changing cars each just.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Keep on driving.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Well, technically they do change their tires every so often, right,
but he's stopping.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Every law them.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Right the wheels fall off. Man.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Well, that's the idea.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
But this is why this off season is really pivotal
to just kind of piggyback on what they or how
they ended the season playing in Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
The idea is to take massive leaps forward, not latterly or.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Backwards, and adding impact players allows you to do that.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Like during the doing the Break, Grant and I.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Was talking about it and we were talking about Cooper Cup.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
And ideas that it doesn't seem.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Popular because Cooper Cup is the older guy, right, but
the Rams are willing to pay some of his salary.
I mean, the Bronco's paying uh salary for Russell Wilson. Yeah,
this past season and then this season, so these things happen.
So if you can get a veteran guy like that,
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even though he's on the downside of his career, there's
still certain things that you can do with him and
bringing in the culture, for one, as a veteran leader,
but also being one of the better slot receivers in
the game at this particular point, so there are there
is some value there but these are some of the
out of the box thinking and maneuvers that the Broncos
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have to do while Drew Drew Lick, not Drew say
Drew Locke, while bow Knicks is still.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
On his rookie deal.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, and that's that's how you should build a team.
You spend the money on the skill position players while
the quarterback is on the rookie deal, and then when
it's time for him to get paid, that's when you
let those guys go and you bring in new rookies
and that quarterback who was getting paid now he's responsible
to elevate those guys.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Yeah, because and by that time, like you said that,
that rookie quarterback both Nicks is well seasoned, right, and
then now you've built that culture because those veterans have
come in and established that culture. And right now, in
my opinion, watching this team play over the past two years,
they don't have that physicality. They don't have that physical
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type of powers that you that you want that when
there is a fourth and one or a third and two, right,
we go.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
For it well and have the confidence like the Eagles
to with with their have the confidence to have some
play that you know is gonna work. Every time you
run it, you gonna you gotta pick up a yard.
Have the confidence that every time you go out there,
this is what we're doing. We're picking up this yard,
we're moving on. And the confidence, not the is this
gonna work, the confidence that it's going to work. Uh,
And we don't have that right now, Like we just don't.
(29:46):
I don't think we have the players. I don't think
we have the confidence whatever that may be, whether it's
all the above, but we certainly that when it comes
to those situations, we don't have the confidence that there's
a play that is our play, that.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
We know that we can go to the well and
go get the And.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Once again, when we look at this year's run to
the playoffs, what do we see. We saw teams defensively
that forced turnovers, offenes that capitalize off those turnovers, offices
that didn't put the ball on the turf, but more importantly,
offensive units that ran the ball well. I mean, Jalen
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Hurts by himself outrushed the Chiefs team by himself, and
there was a certain level of physicality associated with it,
and he made Jalen Hursts made great decisions pulling the
ball down picking up those yards, and every time Jalen
Hursts did that, in my mind, I smiled right both
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mentally and physically, because I thought, if that was bow
Knicks as an extra ten yards, As an extra ten yards,
you're closer to the end zone.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
So you have that ability that bow Knicks possesses.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
And you add that with talent around and I'm not
just gonna say talent, I'm going to call it strategic
talent because you have to be able to deploy that
in sertin strategic ways. That now makes the Broncos instantly
in the off season kind of put them in that
contender conversation because now they have massive amount of pieces
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the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
By the way, the sportsbooks came out with the odds already,
the Broncos are listed with the same odds as the
Rams of making the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
They're in the top third of the league for the
sports books.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Sportsbooks had at five and a half wins last year
and now they've got them in the top third of.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
The league this year.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Is this team, I mean it's a young team, but
is this team going to be different with the weight
of expectation on it?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
That's nothing you have to see.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
I mean you could talk about it and say, oh, yeah,
they went to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
And there's a young team, they've learned.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
I mean, that's no guarantee because at the same time,
you had asked yourself, what did they learn? Right, they
learned how to get to the playoffs and what is
going to take, But they learned the level of toughness
and physicality that's required.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
And then it's going to require you.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
To sacrifice and from a player's standpoint, because you gotta
get injured, you gotta get hurt. Can you push through that?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Can you push through it?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
And at the end of the at the end of
the day, uh, you know, how do you how do
you find a way to continue the edge that you
had this past year because this past year the edge
was the motivating edge was we're disrespected.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Everybody thinks we're a five and a half win football team. Well,
nobody thinks that anymore. How do you maintain that edge?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
The way you maintain that edge been is every once
in a while an off season, OTAs preseason, you put.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
That Buffalo game on, You put it on, you force
yourself to watch it.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
We haven't arrived yet, No, we know they allowed you
in the club, but they didn't allow you in vi P,
right right, you got in the club.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
They let me, Yeah, let me, they let me. End
they let you in.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
You knew somebody, You saw somebody walking by. That's my dude.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
So they let you in.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Now you're trying to get in vi P. That's a
whole different level, entirely different, entirely.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Different level, and that's what the Broncos need to get to.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Well, what Broncos cut your knight back? Inter this that's
the beauty of the game.
But if you have Broncos country tonight, Benjamin ol Bright,
(00:02):
Nick Ferguson, Grant Smith back there.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Five six sixty nine zero is the text line.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
My phone got blown up today about forty different text
direct messages, all that kind of stuff. Well, don let
me check the exact time this happened, As he says,
around eleven am, give or take, my phone got blown
up by people all of a sudden wanting to know.
(00:30):
It was about twelve thirty. It's about people wanting to
know about the Broncos and Deebo Samuel, and I don't
know where exactly this one started. Apparently somebody on the
Internet had a tweet or something, but from what I understand,
that's not as big a thing as it's being made
out to be. Deemo Samuel did request the trade and
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he's been given permission by the forty nine ers for
him and his agent, who's Tory Dandy, to facilitate that.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
And people started asking naturally.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Because Deebo played both just kind of running back and
wide receiver for Kyle Shanahan. If you know that was
a sense the Broncos are in on this. I'm hearing it.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I'm here.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Everybody Alway says they're hearing it. Dude, if you read
it on Twitter, you're not hearing it. Just say you
read it on Twitter. First of all, that's my pet, Peeve.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I'll get this.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I'll get like a whole bunch of message. Dude, I'm hearing,
and I'm like, you're hearing. Who'd you hear it from?
And of course you know, and so that's uh huh. Anyway,
I had some other you our own, Ryan Edwards reached
out who actually was hearing it from somewhere else, so
that that precludes that. But anybody else, if you read
it on Twitter, you're not hearing it. I don't believe
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that that's a thing. I find it difficult to believe
that the Broncos would trade multiple assets for a player
who's the reason that you'd want him. He doesn't want
to be like he doesn't want to be that multi
faceted there any wants to be a receiver, he wants
the bag, he wants to get paid.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
He's got a thirty million dollars cap number. In twenty
twenty six. He averages less than sixty yards. For his
entire career, he averages less than sixty yards per game.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
He has a fumbling problem and is the.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Worst wide receiver over the last five years in terms
of drop rate, And I don't like all of a sudden,
everybody's LIKEX sweat me, like, well, oh, we got to
get this guy for the Joker roll, the Joker roll,
And I'm like, can we just can we first of all,
can we stop calling it the joker? We call it mismatch,
because like, that's another pet peeve I'll get into another time.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I don't think that that's I don't think the.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Broncos are gonna do that. He's twenty nine years old,
he wants a ton of money. You're gonna have to
give up draft picks to me. And then I started wondering, like,
why is this information suddenly out there? If the Broncos
were doing this, wouldn't they move in silence? You know,
real gez move in silence like Lasagna?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I said, as you did.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Then I I'd like, I don't understand exactly what the
want would be there, but a pair they have a bunch
of Broncos fans, you know, it's just an Any big
name comes up, you want to be in the mix
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
This is one you don't want to be anywhere near
a mercurial.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Almost thirty wide receiver who wants thirty million dollars a year.
And the reason you'd want to miss his versatility except
he doesn't want to be versatilet oh, by the way,
he fumbles the ball more than Melvin Gordon, and he
drops the ball at the worst rate in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Well, Ben, I'm going to push back. No, no, oh, yes, well, anyway.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Well before you do, I checked on this, and I
think it's between the Steelers and the Commanders.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
But anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Well, the reason I'm going to push back is because.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
The moment that was posted on x obviously there were
roomors about, oh, you know what, he'd be a great
frit fit with the with the Denver Broncos, and.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I looked at it from this point.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Would he be an excellent fit for what the Broncos
need as an impact player? Absolutely figuring out the money
part and the trait you know, that may be a
little more difficult, which would put maybe Deebo Samuels outside
of the range of the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
But I've seen wilder things happen.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
No one thought that Saquon Barkley would leave the Giants
and end up with the division of rival Eagles.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
And it happened a little bit different because.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Well, I know, but just for the concept that type
of player going to a division rival and then what
Saquon was looking for the Giants were unwilling to give him.
But how Roseman say, Look, we're gonna roll the dice.
We're gonna take a chance. And obviously it was an
unpopular one because the idea was that, well, the running
backs are losing their value. They have too much trade
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on tread them don't have enough tread on the tire correction.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
So we should go ahead and move past them.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
My problem was that is that in the same breadth
you praise the player for the level of toughness, but
at the same time you discount them because you say
they have too much knowledge on the tires. And when
I look at Deebo Samuels and I looked this up.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Now, the idea was that, well, he fumbles too much.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
In the six years that Deebo Samuels has been with
the forty nine ers, he's fumbled six times.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Right, yes, I have a wildly different Okay.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Well, okay, please present me you have But from what
I was looking up six times he's fumble fumbled over
his career, and then the other thing was I think
the more important thing. People were saying, well, he's often
banged up. When you look at the fact of Deebo
samues is some.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Of the games that he's missed.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
He's missed several games.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
With a hamstring injury, and I think it was one year,
if I'm not mistaken, where he missed nine games.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
That was in twenty twenty yep.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Right with the foot and a handmy all of those
things that can be remedy. But we know physicality is
associated with the game and the style of play that
he has. He is one of those guys that you
want on your team because guess what he is that
do everything?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Versatile, kind of like Eric metcap guy.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Right when you talk about where you look at college athletes,
what's kind of the total volume of all the things
that they do, from kick returning, part returning, rushing to
being a wide receiver. Deebo Samuels has that type of ability.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
And I'll take this really quickly.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I happened to walk past him on radio row. Now.
I always thought he was kind of a thick guy,
but he is truly six feet two hundred and twenty
twenty fifteen pound playing receiver.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
That's why.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
And most people are like, yeah, you know what, we
don't need to do that, we aloud have marble. Man,
let me tell you, those two guys and not created equals.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah, they're not the same, God they're not. But by
the way, the NFL I double checked his twelve twelve fumbles.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Over six year period.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Over six year period, that's not that that come on, now,
that's Melvin Gordon's average two per year.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
That's why.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
And we're talking about a guy who was used at
a volume by San Francisco because they use him as
a running back end a wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
He wanted to be paid as such. And I don't
have a problem with that.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
If I'm contributing in a very positive way, shouldn't I
get paid for what I do?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I'm not against him getting paid for it, and I'm
just for him getting paid somewhere else. I mean, you know,
he is the highest drop rate of any any wide
receiver over the last five years. What's the Volume's five
point six percent of the passes?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
What's the volume?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Because to me, you got to look at that, Well,
you're talking about three hundred and thirty four receptions. I
mean that's you know, ten percent of that would be
thirty three drops. Five percent of that would be you
know what is that fifteen sixteen drops? I mean you're
talking about it, you talk about five. You're talking about
a drop every three or four games to drop pass.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
For me, I don't have the pod problem with that,
because once.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Again, when you have when the volume is what it is,
you have to figure at some point there may be
a fum move, there may be a drop pass, especially understanding.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
How Kyle Shenehan was utilizing.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Well, but this is percentage, Like, it doesn't matter the
vlume it it's by a number of receptions like he
has the highest rate, like not the highest number, the
highest rate, high percentage. So it's based on it's the volume.
AD accounts for volume. Like that's to me, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I don't know. I'm not spending that on that.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I'm not spent at draft capital in thirty million a
year on that. If I was gonna spend money on
a twenty nine year old receiver, I just pay Courtland Sudden.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
But you're not. But I saw a grand strike. You
said but you're not getting the same level of production.
It's it doesn't look the same.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Well, you're getting more production actually, because the guys, he's
never had more than sixty yards a game.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Okay, here's what we're looking at.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
And the listening audience, both Grant and being following me
in this exercise. You are a defensive coordinator. Hell, you
a linebacker, a safety.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Oh, he's a chess piece. What's one of those.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Guys you a fearful of? What's one?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Well, that's just to say he's a chess piece. I mean,
he absolutely is. But I feel like you can find that.
I mean, Taysom Hill's gonna come for you this year.
Saint's going to have to cut in and move on. Wait,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
So the Saints got themselves in trouble right over paying
for Taysom Hill.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Well, and they recommended that that that.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
That the Broncos look at Taysom Hill to do the
same thing.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Smell is gonna cost you half what it costs you
to get Deebo Samuel.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
But but for me even Okay, let's compare those two players, right,
who's going to be more productive?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
We know that both guys and physical guys both guys, But.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Which guy that you feel you truly feel as though
you're gonna get the most production out of Well, I'm
not talking about design quarterback runs and things of that nature.
I'm talking about the most bang.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
For your buck. I mean you're gonna get more receiving yards.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
At a debo, he said, you know he's a better
athlete when all said and done, Uh.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Is that what you need?
Speaker 4 (09:48):
You're gonna get more rush yards. You just got to
Taysom Hill and then you get to that shoreyardist. I
mean Tim Tebow did that when the Rex snaps, he
did that?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
What right?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
They both came into Lee League. Well, tay Tasom Hill
game in the league I think a year before. Yeah,
But at the end of the day, if you had
to guess which of the two has more touchdowns, Taysom.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Milleror Deebo Samuel, who would you guess?
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Well, Well, overall of this past season, probably Taysom Hill
because they like they get him the ball like on
fourth and whatever, third and one in the red zone.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
So I would say Taysom Hill for the.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Tam Hill overall.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Okay, last season I would say Taysom Hill. Also, Tasom
Hill right, because when I piked about.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Four touchdowns combined last year, tastam at six rushing alone.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
When you think about what Taysom Hill is, he's a
gadget quarterback. They get inside the red zone, quarterback design run.
He's a big guy, he's physical, he runs into the
end zone. When you think about the offense that Kylee
Shanahan utilizes and Deebo Salmons and mixing that, they have
so many other guys that they utilize, and I'm thinking
in that time, you look at Christian McCaffrey and some
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of those other guys as being the lynch pin for
the offense when it comes to red zone scoring.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't know. I just look
at this and I'm like, I can get Taysom Hill
for half the cost. And I mean he's not as
good a receiver, but a good.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Receiver, you're going to get half the cost and you're
gonna get half the production. Now, I'm not waving a
banner saying that the Broncos should do this. I'm just
saying if if they were to look at it, then
I could see why they would do it, because to me.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
You you you can go find someone in college.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Football that can probably be a Deebo Samuews like for you,
But to say that Deebo Samuels would not operate well
in this offense, I would. I would say he would
definitely be an added weapon for Sean Page.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Imst say he doesn't fit.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I'm just saying, like for me, I feel like there
are better options at the price point. At the end
of the day, I don't want to trade draft capital
for him. I don't want to pay him thirty million
dollars a year. And you know, he's been mercury all
over there in San Francisco and liked the role that
he had there. Instead, since he wants to just be
a receiver, I mean, is that prosturing for a contract
or you seriously, you don't want to do the one
thing that we're bringing in here for the versatility.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
But wait a minute, I mean he he has versatility
to do both things, and he can be a full
time wide receiver. But if a team is utilizing your
skill set in that way, you want to get paid
for that, right, Just like Jimmy Graham was like, hey, listen, hey,
you guys that utilized me as a wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
So I want to be used, so he pay me
as a wide receiver. That that didn't work out for him.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
But the idea is that don't squeeze all the juice
out of me and just run me in the ground
and then throw me away. No, no, no no. If
you're gonna use me in these two ways, I should
be paid. I man should agree he should be paid.
I just wanted to get paid in Pittsburgh and not
here or Washington.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
What's left on Taysom Hill's contract?
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I had to go back and look, they're gonna cut
him though, because just because they're so, they're in such
cap shape.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Because I like the idea of bringing in Taysom Hill
and sign and resigning Courtland Sutton, Like, what's wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Well, Hill's going to cost you too much to probably
make that a factor. I mean he's Hill's going to
cost you, I mean alt nine million per He's going
to be a bigger deal than the Josh Reynolds thing.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
If you wanted to tell me, Well, the idea for
the Broncos bringing in you know, tast him here other
than the familiarity with Sean Payton is that, okay, we'll
put him at the tight end position. Right now, my
next name would be nat routes. Well, because if you
can't run rounds. He's no different than the guy that
the Broncos currently have on the roster.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
No different. Yeah, he runs for I mean no, no,
see I didn't say he runs route.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
The guys on the Broncos roster now they run routes,
but they are they're not great route runners.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
That's what we need. Gotcha a good rock runner.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Well he's he's a willing blocker and he does catch
the ball. I mean, you know in the last two
seasons he said fifty six receptions year.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I mean, hell, I mean you and I can do that,
right me.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I can't do that, but.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
You tell me you can't catch it. Back.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Oh, I thought he said throw a block. I was like, now,
I'm not throwing a block. Yeah, don't put me out there.
I'm trying to fuck anybody. I was like, man, I'm
taking what Look at Miles Garrett. I'm like, you wan
a free pass, dude, step on the way you go inside.
We're good.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
So the Brontos signe you two like a two year deal,
playing you two point five a year.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
You're not gonna get out there and just throw your
body out there.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Yeah, I would try it exactly be on ir after
the first bride.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
By the way, Taysom Hill in a post June one
cut is ten It frees up ten million dollars a
cap space for the Saints. That is by far the
largest amount they can free up on any contract outside
of it. I mean, Derek Carr isn't isn't net neutral.
It saves them a little bit of money. Those are
the two contracts that save them any money, and they're
like eighty million over the cap. Listen, he's coming free.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Well, Taysom Hills sounds great, right, It definitely sounds great.
But once again, my worry is were we putting him
if if we're gonna say that, what they're gonna do
with Taysom what they told Tim Tebow they was gonna
do with him, was gonna make turn you to Kyle
Juice check right?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Did that idea? Okay?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
And that would be the idea to be a tight end,
full back, slot receiver, gadget quarterback at the gold line
kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
And I'm gonna need a little more.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Did that for your backup quarterback covers your backup quarterback covers,
your backup quarterback as well.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
He covered beside bone Knicks.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
You don't think Sean Payton can draw up some plays
He tossed it to Taysom Hill, acts like he's running
a sweep and then bone Knicks is creeping down the
left sideline touchdown.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
How many of those gadget players you're gonna use in
a season?
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Because for being from a defensive standpoint, From a defensive standpoint,
if I if I come across the team that has
utilized a lot of gadget plays, that means that you
don't have faith in your players in your offense.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
That's what that means to me. So if you want
to bring him in as a tight end and you.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Say you're gonna coach him up on being able to
run the rounds, then would you with your selling right now, Grent,
I'll be like, Okay, I can see why they did it.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
I guess they did it.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I'm just like, to me, Taysom Hill and he already
knows the offense on top of it. To me, that's
just that just I just can't see paying debo thirty
million a year.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Also coming off an ACL injury though, too.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Right, Yeah, I mean right, Yeah, here's the thing about Debo.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Right, here's the thing about Deebo. He's missed some games,
but guess what, he's played through a lot of injuries.
With saying there's a lot of toughness in the player
he's played. He's played in fifteen games every season except
that one. Like, yeah, I'm not questioning his toughness. I'm
not questioning that he deserves to get paid. Those aren't
on the doc. And for me, I'm just questioning and
I'm not even questioning the fit here, I'm just questioning
the is the juice worth of squeeze? Well, it may
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not be worth a squeeze, but that doesn't mean that
you don't squeeze to find out.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
You gotta care for which is squeeze might get in trouble.
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Nick Fergus Ingrat Smith here with your five six sixty
nine zero is the text line, Nick, you wanted to
talk about.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
What happens when opportunity comes knocking. Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
It's kind of piggyback off of the situation with Deebo.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Samuel and I know last week we talked about, you.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Know, Cooper cup and with so many teams looking to
shave a little off the top as they look to
trim their salary cap and their expenses, there's gonna be
some veteran players that are going to come available, and
a lot of talk around the league is about, Okay,
where would these players go, what's the best home for them,
what's the best fit. And obviously we're gonna start talking about,
(17:35):
you know, the Broncos. So when I think about the
Deebo Sammy conversation we just had last break, I said, Okay, well,
I think it's it's time that maybe that teams start
looking in a college ranks to saying, okay, but if
you don't want to pay a veteran like a Deebo
Samue's because IVY feel as though it's too much money,
age is an issue, or maybe injury comes up in conversation.
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Finding guys who might have played a little running back
in high school just kind of every now and again,
but they may be wide receivers. To now put those
guys in that particular position, because there are a couple
of teams that have experimented with it. With it, I mean,
obviously the semis is for forty nine ers, with Deebo,
they experimented with it, but also the Broncos attempted to
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do the same thing with Marvin Mems.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
So I'm looking at how do you.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Save the best years of Marvin moms An idea is
you want his speed to be going vertical.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
So going in this year's draft and trying to find
a guy.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Who has a running back type of build and he
plays with a certain level of physicality, that is the
guy that Now, if you're thinking about the you know,
think from the angle of the Denver Broncos to put
those that guy in that particular position to add more
of an impact player and weapons on the field to
help out bow knicks.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Well, yeah, I'm with you. I think we do need somebody.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
And you know, as much as I was making it
seem like and I don't really want Deebo Samuel here,
I'm not trying to knock the guy. He's a tough
runner when he wants to be. He is a phenomenal athlete,
you know, and all that kind of stuff. I don't
want to take anything away from Debo. It's not Deebo.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I don't want. It's Deebo's price tag. I don't want
you know.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I mean, that's that's the thing at the end of
the day, Like, I don't want to give up the
draft picks.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I don't want to pay the salary costs on that
kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
When I look at those, I'm like, I've looked at
what George Payton's been able to draft. I'm looking at
what else you can get for that money, And I'm like,
I don't, you know, as much as I always hate
the guys who are like, we can make it up
in the aggregate, we kind of can, you know, like
with this system, and this system does like that's that's
sort of what this system does. So I don't want
to take anything away from Debo. I do believe the
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Broncos need they need at least one mismatch guy. And
you know, as we sort of got a little taste
of that with Marvin with what they were trying. But
I'm with you, Marvin should be a vertical go deep
bang eight bang nine type player. Right. You saw Xavier
Worthy on a touchdown passer from a home with the rocket,
you know, in a super Bowl last night, but one
of the few redeeming plays for the Chief last night,
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And I was like, dear Lord, baby Jesus, I want
that for me. Can we get bowet Marvin? Can we
get bowling Marvin on that? Because Marvin's got every bit
of that speed, that same speed, you know. And so yeah,
I want to see Marvin mimsak taking the top off
this thing and honestly being used in the role that
Troy Franklin was used last year rather than the role
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Marvin mims was used in last year.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah, And I think for me, when we look at
the game of football, it is an ever evolving game,
and it's like for those who were just used to
just sticking to what is now becoming our kid ways
of playing the game, Now you're going to find yourself
right there in the past and we've seen no Deebo
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name comes up time. Montgomery was one of those guys
who played wide receiver and running back. Think about Devin
Hester and what he was able to do. He was
a corner by Trey, but looking at his skill set,
there was a number of things he can do from
a wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Standpoint, and especially he was held on special teams.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
So I'm saying that the Broncos have an opportunity as
they go through their evaluation process of these prospects you
were down to the senior boat. We have yet to
have that conversation, maybe doing on tomorrows show. But the
idea is that evaluating the guys a little differently and saying, okay,
but we need to take our offense to a whole
(21:24):
different level. All are these prospects Wide receiver running backs
are so dynamic that we can add them to the mix.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
And now it adds another layer of weaponry that we.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Need that we have.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
And I think I think a lot of people look
at for instance, Boise states Ash and Chanty anythink but
he might be that guy at least at running back.
He's not a personal chess piece type, but he just
the position player that changes the game. I just he's
not going to be there for the Broncos. Broncos, and honestly,
everybody I've talked to is convinced he winds up in
the division with the Raiders there at six, which you know,
it kind of fascinates me a little bit.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Him and the Chip Kelly system.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
You know, Chip managers to get in his own protege
there at Judkins pair both those two backs up in
Arraider backfield man.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
That's that's a dangerous combo.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
So that would means though what the Broncos would be
what needs to do to offset that, because now you
have a division rival picking up pieces where they are
looking to exploit you defensively.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Now you now you have to go get an interior
guy to go with Zach Allen.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
And then the other part, which I think is the
most important part, is that now you need a second
level linebacker that can truck running chase guy.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Who can cover. I mean, that's that's the one.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I mean, Singleton's coming back, at least he'll be in
training camp, but I don't know what that age and
and you know, cut off that injury if he can
be that guy. But you gotta figure if you've got
Janty coming downhill and you got Judkins as a as
a jetpack, you know, going across a going across your formation.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Well that's gonna give you all kinds of fits.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
And that's with even without factoring in the fact that Bronck.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Bowers probably needs Sir Tan covered him in order to
make that work.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
So now once again you need a covers linebacker. I
have the veteran or rookie. Rife is a rookie. He
got not just wheels, but a high football IQ to
be able to adjust to the defense. And then now
you got to go to your secondary Brandon Jones is cool.
Now you got to go out there and get you
another safety too as well, because what you're asking is
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you got two prolific running backs with the mind of
Chip Kelly, and you have a tight end and Brock
Bombers who can stress the field and make your linebackers
happen to have to cover, which opens up that's five
yard space in front of those linebackers. And oh, by
the way, once those guys break through the interior get
on the edge, you need to have guys at the
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secondary level who can tackle and open field.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
So that's a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
That's a lot that you're trying to pack in in
one offseason.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah, and so it's not to get too far paced,
but you know that the Raiders are going to be
better next year whatever they do. But a lot of
people I talk who expected them to Chanty impossibly doubled
it with Jant and Judkins in that Chip Kelly offense.
They are going to pursue Sam Darnold, listener to this
show will know that I wouldn't be surprised they add
Marcus Mariota as well, since obviously he knows Chip knows
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the offense and that kind of stuff. You can serve
as a backup and a teacher and some of that
as well. So you know, the Raiders are going to
look different next year. This division is gonna be tough
next year. The Chargers, you know, they're going to put
another receiver over there. When they do, it's gonna make
Herbert that much better. Kansas City's Kansas City. Whatever you
think of them just getting their buts kicked by by Philly,
they're still a good football team. They lost one game
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all year if you unless you count their backups lose
into the Broncost end of the season. Well two games
all year for Cats super Bowl. But it's you know,
I mean, it's a tough division, and the Broncos have
got defined You're right, they've got to find things that
stress opposing defensive coordinators out. You got tough defensive coordinators
in this division. Patrick Grahant's tough defensive coordinator and that's
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that's the easiest one for the Then you turn around,
you've got.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Jesse Mintor over there with the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Uh and Steve spacyolo over there with Kansas said, you've
got to find a way to stress on that's six
of your games, you know, that's that's that's a thirty
of your season, a little over thirty your season right there.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
But this is well, then you have to break your
tendencies everything that from a scouting standpoint and from a
coaching standpoint that the Broncos have stood on up to
this point and that have worked, and from the from
this past season, even though they didn't get past Buffalo,
it was a successful season.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Now you have to take that and turn up the volume.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
You have to say, okay, well, how can we maximize
our offensive potential? Known as though both Nicks is on
a rookie deal, because he's not gonna be on a
rookie deal forever, and you want to make sure one
you have already had the culture built in. Not that culture, well,
you know, Sean Payton has come in. He's instilled the
way that he wants guys to operate in the locker room,
(25:58):
out there in public. But culture to know that your
young guys have had an opportunity to see some veteran
guys on the tail end of their career come in
and change their culture. And for me, the one part
that I feel that the Broncos need, especially on the
offensive side, they need to be more.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Physical, yeshy.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
You need to be able to impose your will, and
they were most of the season.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Not able to do that.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
The exception to me is the Chiefs game at Arrowhead,
that six minute drive to get down there and melt
the clock.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Away and everything they did. Oh, they absolutely imposed their
will in that moment.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
They were physical, they were tough, they were running downhill
and then we just never saw it again.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
But that's one of those things, man, that makes you
pull your hair. I was like, once you show me
what you're capable of, I would say, cause you to
do that.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Don't take your foot off the gas, right.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
It was like, continue to put your foot on the
throat of your opponent and force them to call uncle
aunt and whoever else they want to call.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah, I don't understand our whole. Like, if this was
a race, Sean Payton would be changing cars every lap.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
You know, well, you know we we won that lap,
but we got to change it up the unpredictable this
lap so and changing the you know, changing cars each just.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Keep on driving.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Well, technically they do change their tires every so often, right,
but he's stopping.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Every law them.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Right the wheels fall off. Man.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Well, that's the idea.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
But this is why this off season is really pivotal
to just kind of piggyback on what they or how
they ended the season playing in Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
The idea is to take massive leaps forward, not latterly or.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Backwards, and adding impact players allows you to do that.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Like during the doing the Break, Grant and I.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Was talking about it and we were talking about Cooper Cup.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
And ideas that it doesn't seem.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Popular because Cooper Cup is the older guy, right, but
the Rams are willing to pay some of his salary.
I mean, the Bronco's paying uh salary for Russell Wilson. Yeah,
this past season and then this season, so these things happen.
So if you can get a veteran guy like that,
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even though he's on the downside of his career, there's
still certain things that you can do with him and
bringing in the culture, for one, as a veteran leader,
but also being one of the better slot receivers in
the game at this particular point, so there are there
is some value there but these are some of the
out of the box thinking and maneuvers that the Broncos
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have to do while Drew Drew Lick, not Drew say
Drew Locke, while bow Knicks is still.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
On his rookie deal.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, and that's that's how you should build a team.
You spend the money on the skill position players while
the quarterback is on the rookie deal, and then when
it's time for him to get paid, that's when you
let those guys go and you bring in new rookies
and that quarterback who was getting paid now he's responsible
to elevate those guys.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Yeah, because and by that time, like you said that,
that rookie quarterback both Nicks is well seasoned, right, and
then now you've built that culture because those veterans have
come in and established that culture. And right now, in
my opinion, watching this team play over the past two years,
they don't have that physicality. They don't have that physical
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type of powers that you that you want that when
there is a fourth and one or a third and two, right,
we go.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
For it well and have the confidence like the Eagles
to with with their have the confidence to have some
play that you know is gonna work. Every time you
run it, you gonna you gotta pick up a yard.
Have the confidence that every time you go out there,
this is what we're doing. We're picking up this yard,
we're moving on. And the confidence, not the is this
gonna work, the confidence that it's going to work. Uh,
And we don't have that right now, Like we just don't.
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I don't think we have the players. I don't think
we have the confidence whatever that may be, whether it's
all the above, but we certainly that when it comes
to those situations, we don't have the confidence that there's
a play that is our play, that.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
We know that we can go to the well and
go get the And.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Once again, when we look at this year's run to
the playoffs, what do we see. We saw teams defensively
that forced turnovers, offenes that capitalize off those turnovers, offices
that didn't put the ball on the turf, but more importantly,
offensive units that ran the ball well. I mean, Jalen
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Hurts by himself outrushed the Chiefs team by himself, and
there was a certain level of physicality associated with it,
and he made Jalen Hursts made great decisions pulling the
ball down picking up those yards, and every time Jalen
Hursts did that, in my mind, I smiled right both
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mentally and physically, because I thought, if that was bow
Knicks as an extra ten yards, As an extra ten yards,
you're closer to the end zone.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
So you have that ability that bow Knicks possesses.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
And you add that with talent around and I'm not
just gonna say talent, I'm going to call it strategic
talent because you have to be able to deploy that
in sertin strategic ways. That now makes the Broncos instantly
in the off season kind of put them in that
contender conversation because now they have massive amount of pieces
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the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
By the way, the sportsbooks came out with the odds already,
the Broncos are listed with the same odds as the
Rams of making the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
They're in the top third of the league for the
sports books.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Sportsbooks had at five and a half wins last year
and now they've got them in the top third of.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
The league this year.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Is this team, I mean it's a young team, but
is this team going to be different with the weight
of expectation on it?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
That's nothing you have to see.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
I mean you could talk about it and say, oh, yeah,
they went to the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
And there's a young team, they've learned.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
I mean, that's no guarantee because at the same time,
you had asked yourself, what did they learn? Right, they
learned how to get to the playoffs and what is
going to take, But they learned the level of toughness
and physicality that's required.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
And then it's going to require you.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
To sacrifice and from a player's standpoint, because you gotta
get injured, you gotta get hurt. Can you push through that?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Can you push through it?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
And at the end of the at the end of
the day, uh, you know, how do you how do
you find a way to continue the edge that you
had this past year because this past year the edge
was the motivating edge was we're disrespected.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Everybody thinks we're a five and a half win football team. Well,
nobody thinks that anymore. How do you maintain that edge?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
The way you maintain that edge been is every once
in a while an off season, OTAs preseason, you put.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
That Buffalo game on, You put it on, you force
yourself to watch it.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
We haven't arrived yet, No, we know they allowed you
in the club, but they didn't allow you in vi P,
right right, you got in the club.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
They let me, Yeah, let me, they let me. End
they let you in.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
You knew somebody, You saw somebody walking by. That's my dude.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
So they let you in.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Now you're trying to get in vi P. That's a
whole different level, entirely different, entirely.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Different level, and that's what the Broncos need to get to.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Well, what Broncos cut your knight back? Inter this that's
the beauty of the game.
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