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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Grant Smith filling in for Benjamin Albright as he was
on KOA Sports earlier today, sitting in here with my
man Nick Ferguson, and we are going to go right
out to the Common Spirit Health hotline and bring on
our guy Ryan Michael at the Ryan Michael on Twitter
or X whatever you want to call it these days.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Ryan, how are you tonight?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Man? Doing well?
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Nick?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Guys?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
We are doing good.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
And it's always a better night when we get to
talk to you and get some info behind the numbers,
because that's what you're so good at bringing to Broncos
country tonight, and I wanted to, of course, in my fashion,
start on a positive note.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
We talked about.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Saquon Barklay's historic season earlier this week, and he broke
Torel Davis's all time rushing mark for the regular season
and postseason combined, also won the Super Bowl on his
twenty eighth birthday. Where does his season rank amongst the
best running back seasons in NFL history?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
A good question. I would say it rings very high.
Not only did he break to Real Davison sign season
record for total rushing yards regular in both season combined,
but in fewer Carris so test to do any better
than first in the NFL history, And when I looked
at the history of the running position in some of
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the greatest seasons, that recluced jib or fun when I
wouldn't say that I'd put this in my top ten necessarily,
but Lenny Moore, who played for the Baltimore Colts, put
together some very impressive seasons.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
As a rookie.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
In nineteen fifty sixty average seven point five yards per carry,
the most ever for a running back, although he was
more of a dual threat hybrid between running and rushing.
He averaged eleven point sixty yards per touch in nineteen
fifty eight. I think that's something that's worth acknowledging. O. J.
Simpson had two seasons, and obviously speaking only to on
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field performance here, in nineteen seventy three, became the first
running back to ever quit two thousand yards rushing. He
ran for two thousand and three yards in a fourteen
game schedule. What that meant if he averaged one hundred
and forty three point one yards per game. If you
projected that over a seventeen game season, you get two
four hundred and thirty two yards two years later, he
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led the NFL with twenty three total touchdowns, which was
the most industory at the time. That would amount to
twenty eight over a seventeen game stretch. We certainly can't
leave Eric Dickerson out of the conversation. Two one hundred
and five regular season rushing yards and the average five
point six yards per carry LA Damian Tomlins in two
thousand and six is the greatest fantasy football season ever
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at the running back position. Thirty one touchdowns. That's a
quarterback number, and he did it at the running back position.
And of course, our home TV prior to take one,
Barkley's run this year had the two highest total rushing
yardage totals regular season playoffs combined. Ever, so let's take
another moment to acknowledge just how impressive that was. It's
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tough for me to pick us one to click one.
Barkley's definitely part of the discussion, and it's not just
recently biased.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Well, Ryan, When we look at the two quarterbacks that
played in Super Bowl, one of those guys in Jalen Hurts,
was probably one of the more criticized and ostracized guys
coming out of Oklahoma, but also leading into this playoff run. Now,
based off what we've seen and what you've seen from him,
do you see now that narrative now dies and goes way?
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But more importantly, what does this championship actually do for
his legacy.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
It's a great question, Nick, and I think it's worth
noting than certainly winning a super Bowl, being named Super
Bowl MVP, and having one of the better Super Bowl
performances we've seen, certainly is going to erase a lot
of the noise of a lot of the criticism. But
I'm of the view that that criticism should have never
existed in the first place. He was even better two
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years ago in twenty twenty two, and he went blow
for blow with Patrick Mahomes when when Pat Mahomes was
the peak of his power and so than twenty two
didn't do enough to silence to critics, of course, were
very narrative driven sport. So having the Tea result come
together the way that had been on Sunday is going
to keep people quiet. But I saw this oude of
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Jalen Hurts arguably at an even higher level two years ago,
so this isn't anything new for me.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah, I loved his quote when he was asked about
all the haters after the game, and he said, what
was it?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I had a purpose before there was an opinion. I
was like, this dude has the best head on his shoulders.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
But going to the other quarterback in that Super Bowl game,
Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
He's been getting praised since he's been in the league,
and well deserved.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
He's put up some historic numbers, not necessarily this year,
but am I correct and understanding from your perspective, Patrick
mahomes performance in the Super Bowl last Sunday was the
worst by a quarterback in Super Bowl history.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I'm not being hyperbolic when I say that, and I'm
sure our listeners might expect that from me. I've borrowed
Benjamin Albright's wed blanket all year long. Any time I
talk about Patrick Mahomes, and I always preface the criticism
by acknowledgment he put together the greatest five year stretch
to start a career in the history of the quarterback
positions of Patrick Mahomes. Where he stood after he beat
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the Eagles in Super Bowl fifty seven was an even
more impressive start, in my opinion than Dan Marino or
Peyton Manning. And so what we've seen since then, is
we've seen a quarterback who, while still playing at times
at a high level, has dropped off significantly during that
five year stretch, including the last game of the regular season.
In twenty seventeen, he was number one in the NFL
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and adjusted net yards per attempt. You go fast forward
to twenty twenty three, dropped from first to fifteenth, right
six point twenty sixth, and then this year dropped all
the way down to six point zero two. That's nineteenth
in the NFL, twenty seventh n yards per passing ATTENP
and net yards per attempt, which factors in yard lost.
The sack also twenty seventh in the league. So we
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can acknowledge the con because we can acknowledge certainly that
Travis Pelty is a shell of the greatness that he
displayed during the early part of his career, and that
pat certainly hasn't had the skill position players to live
up to what he was surrounded by in the early
part of his career. But we're seeing numbers that are
bottom third of the league, sometimes from a quarterback who
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many consider to be still somehow the best quarterback in
football today. So I look at his numbers in Super
Bowl fifty nine, and we can acknowledge in garbage time
he was unbelievable. You look at the splits this way.
After he was down forty to six, he put up
at one hundred and forty seven point five pass away
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and completed ten of e letting passes one hundred and
nine yards, averaged almost ten yards of past, two touchdowns,
no interceptions, no sacks, no fumbles. Loss numbers were so
good in that final stretch that Voxboer numbers didn't look
so bad that he was at a point grant in
where the Chiefs had no realistic out of winning the game.
When he was down twenty seven to nothing, he completed
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twenty or fifteen passes a forty four point seven percent
passed for twenty one yards I mean the average two
point seven yards a pass, no touchdowns, two interceptions, one
of which was a pick hits with sack five times
negative twenty yards to that. So if you take his
passing yards and you the dust the yards lost his
act in interceptions, he had negative thirty seven yards, which
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is roughly negative two yards per dropback, and had led
Kansas City to zero points. There's plenty of blame to share.
Certainly credit to Philadelphia's defense is lying, But if we're
being honest, despite the name on the back of the jersey,
the performance that we saw when the game was still
competitive could not have possibly been worse. And if it
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was anybody else in football, we put up numbers like that.
If it were Peyton Manning, if it were Matt Ryan,
if it were anybody but Tom Brady at the meeting
would have a day have their day with it. So
in my opinion, it's the worst performing some Super Bowl history.
That doesn't change his place as being a future First
Ball Hall of Famer, but we have to acknowledge what
it is because had the Chiefs completed the three pet
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everybody would have been singing his praises and deservedly.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
So you're absolutely right as far as that is concerned.
And when you play the quarterback position, I mean, you
feel a lot of criticism and the narratives are always
out there. But there's another quarterback in Jacksonville who I mean,
everyone was raving about Trevor Lawrence when he came out
of Clemson and we saw him just kind of burst
on the scene and he was putting up like three
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thousand four thousand yards, but this past season not so much.
And there is several players and several kind of NFL
experts who have somewhat soured on Trevor Lawrence. So do
you feel he is still one of the top quarterbacks
in the league.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I do.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I do.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
I think Trevor Lawrence is one of the five most
talented quarterbacks in football. And there's a bit of context
there too, Nick. If you go back to his year,
it was a disaster. There's really no way to sugarcoat it.
It might have been the worst situation in modern history,
but it wasn't good. Final game of the regular season
was great, but beyond that, there's not much work coding.
In his second year, he actually had a higher DVLA
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than Jalen Hurts and Joe Burrow, who were both playing
at an MVP level. Joe b division won a division
championship and he had the Jacksonville Jaguars one quarter away
from the AFC championship. I think that was an incredible overachievement.
And in twenty twenty three, he finished the season, despite
the injured cold finish to the end of the season
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number one in the AFC and adjusted EPA p play
so after the twenty twenty three regular season, I coined
the nickname all twenty two Trevor, and shout out to
the Jags Twitter accounts for actually acknowledging it all twenty
two trev I like the nickname. He's a guy who
looks so much better when you're watching the coaches film,
when you're seeing everything that's happening with all twenty two
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players on the film, Trevor Lawrence pops and even despite
the awful bucks score results last year, and the jagually
won two games with Trevor Lawrence before that final game
against Houston, which in my view, he should have never
suited up for, he still ranked top ten in the
NFL in total QBR and adjusted EPA for play and
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touchdown passes and passing yards and first downs passing in
one of the worst situations the NFL had to offer.
It's unpopular here, guys, but given the context of him
playing injured and playing in a disastrous situation to still
produce at a top ten level by those various analytics
efficiency marks, I think he could make the argument that
last year was the best of his career. People will
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laugh at that, because the Jaguars only won two games.
But Nick, you know better than anybody here. Football is
the ultimate team sport. So if you had a healthy
Trevor Lawrence in a better situation such as Tampa Bay,
I think you get somebody who could have been an
MVP contender. He put him on one of the worst
teams in football, with no offensive line and one of
the worst defenses the game has to offer.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
You get, we get.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
See. That's why we have you on Ryan to go
inside those numbers and break it down.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Ryan Michael at d.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Ryan Michael joining us on Broncos Country, and I one
final question for you. We're going to get into this
debate when we let you go here in a minute.
But Deebo Samuel versus Cooper Cup on the Broncos, which
one would fit better with o Nix and Sean Payton
in this Broncos offense.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
It's a really good question. It's a very good question.
You know, Cooper Cup, if he were healthy and affordable,
is the kind of talent that any team would kill
to have. When you factor in the context that neither
of these receivers are who they were two three years ago,
and when you factor in the cap hit, it's a
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nice fantasy trade idea, and if I were playing Madden,
I wouldn't mind throwing the Cooper Cup. But realistically, I
don't know if either of them are really the best
fit for the system. And Dak Segers made a really
good point in a wonderful article Throat for k Away
earlier today. Sean Payton has been consistent in giving us
the news that maybe nobody wants to hear. He has
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more confidence in which receiver room than probably most of
the fans do. And while I'm certainly open minded to
adding talent at the skill positions, especially tight end, I
think these fantasy scenarios at wide receiver are not necessarily realistic.
I don't know if that would be the best move
for us.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I love it, man, Thanks for the insight as always, Ryan,
and thanks for the time tonight.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
You got it guys, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
That was Ryan Michael at d Ryan Michael on Twitter
or X. What do you think about his comments there
on Deebo and Cooper Cup than when you.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Look at both of those guys, I know they don't
see my fan favorites based on you know, where they
are in their careers. But for me, veteran players bring
in a certain amount of value that sometimes overlooked, And
for me, it's like if you were to strip away
the money aspect, strip away the fact of Okay, well
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you're giving up draft capital and that could be like
a three or four something like that for either one
of these guys, just kind of looking at it from
football logic standpoint.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
For me, it makes sense to have.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Guys who possess the qualities that they bring. Could you
go out and maybe get some less expensive guys?
Speaker 4 (13:18):
True?
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Can you look into the draft and maybe get some
younger guys who you hope that they will turn into
those coup of players. Absolutely, But when you're looking at
the fact that BoA's on a rookie deal, you at
least have to look at it because it's about adding
talent to your roster to make it better. And if
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you say, well, what side of the ball with the
Denver Broncos needs the most help, for me, I'm going
to look offense because you have to score points. Based
on what you saw the Eagles do and they did
that to Kansas City. And I know Kansas City playing
a lot of tight games, but that's a vetteran team.
They know how to win games, you have to put
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up points. And if your offense cannot move the chains
and keep the defense fresh, I don't care who you
put out there. You can have a defensive unit full
of Hall of famers, they're gonna break down.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Yeah, that's just the name of the game.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
And you know, we already have a top three defense
here in Denver. Let's go and get ourselves a top
three offense. And I think Adam, whatever weapons you can
is just going to help that. Here's Rob Smith on
KWA Sports on Tuesday that you were a part of
this conversation. You can find that full interview at Kowacolorado
dot com.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
But this is him talking about.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Cooper Cupp or Deebo Samuel joining the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Who's rea to have Cooper cuppor Deebo Samuel?
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Cooper cuppany has some injuries.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Deebo's had some injuries, well not as.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Many as you think, and they've been self tissue engines.
I I like, I say, scale wise, both of you
got a triple pray guy, a triple triple crawn.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Guy, and you got a guy like you said, if
if you're gonna.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
Be creative with the football, and this is that Deebo's
one of those guys get But if he's gonna come
with the.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Attitude, no, I rather have cup. I know Cupan won't
give you no attitude.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
If Coup can stay healthy, this dude's one of the
best route runers in the game, and I think he
can teach how other young guys and the quarterback as well.
So if you only give me those who choices and
give me cup.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Now, we had four people in the studio that day
when you were on the show, and you didn't really
get to expand on that soft tissue injury point. Do
you want to expand on it now?
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (15:28):
I mean the thing about understanding athletes and how they work,
there's a number of things that go into it.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
And what I did was.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
I reached out to some personal trainers, people who I
know who are head strength and conditioning guys in college football,
but more importantly about six or seven guys who are
leading in sports science and they work in the NFL. Now,
when you think about the soft tissue injuries that can
occur because due to overloading or not working those particular muscles,
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both from a conditioning standpoint and a lifting standpoint, and
then also it's hip tilt, like sometimes our hips may
kind of rotate forward because your muscle pull bones out
of place. And if you consistently run in that particular manner,
I mean, it's going to impact your running mechanics, but
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also have a tendency to put pressure.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
On your hamstring.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
So while most things that well, Debo is an injury
prone Now if you look over his history, no it's not.
I mean, the dude has played through a lot of injuries.
But I don't know if the Broncos go in that area.
And I'm not saying that the Broncos need to get
a Deebo Samuel. I understand if they did go in
that direction, you can go find a Deebo Samuel like guy.
But I've heard so many people say, well, the Broncos
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don't need a guy like that because they already have Mems.
See Mems, in my opinion, needs to be running vertically.
We've seen what he can do vertically. Horizontally you play
into the hands of the defense.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Mind. Deebo Samuel is built like a running back.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah indeed, and he fits.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
More of what Sean Payton was doing last year with
Marvin Mims. That's why I say, if that's going to
be the game plan, then get a physical guy like that.
You don't have to get Deebo, but you don't have
to get a Deebo white guy.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Well, hell, I'd take Deebo and Cooper Cup. Give me
all the options on offenses weapons. Thanks again to Ryan
Michael for joining us earlier in the segment and Rick
Lewis earlier in the show.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
When we come back. We got the NFL six pack
on Broncos.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Country tonight on KOA eight fifty ninety four to one
FM News Talk Sports Smith usually behind the board because
Zach Seeger's back there doing a great job tonight as
I fill in for Benjamin Albright as he was on
KOA Sports earlier today, sitting in here with Nick Ferguson.
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Thanks to Rick Lewis for joining us earlier, also Ryan
Michael in the last segment.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
If you missed any of that, you can find.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
It on the free iHeartRadio app, the new redesigned iHeartRadio app,
where you can also find the Taking It for Granted podcast,
my podcast where I released a new episode yesterday with
Broncos sideline reporter Susie Wargen.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Would love for you to check that out. But right
now it is time for the NFL six pack.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
It's time for the NFL six I'm gonna trad the
last insight and insight information you can't find anywhere else,
the top six NFL headlines.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
What first up for you here?
Speaker 8 (18:33):
NFL dot Com today released rankings of where they think
the most likely landing spots for Aaron Rodgers are.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
The top among them are.
Speaker 8 (18:44):
The Las Vegas Raiders, the rival Las Vegas Raiders, followed
by the New York Giants, then the Cleveland Browns, and
finally the Pittsburgh Steelers. Does anything surprise you about that list?
And where do you want to see Aaron Rodgers playing
next season if at all?
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Well, I say, for me, I would rather see Aaron pretty.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Much on the sofa right disrespect to him just as
fact as though it happens to all of us at
this time in our career. He's slowing down, that accuse injury.
He's not as mobile. I don't want to see the
dude get out there and get hurt. But if there
were two teams that I think would be great fits
for Aaron.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Rodgers, the Raiders being one.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
And also when you think about the Pittsburgh Steelers, just
the story, tradition and what they've been able to do.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I like the Steelers. I like that one.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
That would be a good spot for one last run.
But you're right, man, we have so many great memories
of Aaron Rodgers being the one of the best to
ever do it, and he's just not that guy anymore.
But I think Pittsburgh with that defense, maybe he could
get one more postseason round.
Speaker 8 (19:45):
Now it feels like it should be a win now
moved right. You're not getting that with the Giants or
the Browns. And Mike Comin just handled Russell Wilson's big personality.
I think he could handle Rogers two. According to the
Athletic the Can, the City Chiefs have given Travis Kelcey
a deadline to make his decision on whether or not
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he'll be coming.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Back next year.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
They've decided mid March is the time by when they
need that they need to know whether or not Travis
Kelcey plans on plane for them in twenty twenty five.
Do you think it's unfair that the Chiefs are giving
this franchise legend this deadline and do you think there's
any potential things could get messy, considering they stand to
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save nearly eighteen million dollars by cutting Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
I no, man, there's nothing wrong with the team kind
of setting a hard deadline because they need to know
if he's going to bow out, they need to make
sure they go into free agency and get a guy.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
We'll even get a guy in a draft.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
But you don't want to be held for ransom by
a guy who's done a heck of a job in
Kansas City. So I think they're right doing the right
thing suggesting that hey, by this particular date, you need to.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Let us know.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, And it's not like they're saying, hey, next week,
we need to know. They're giving him a month and
a half. Yes, should be plenty of time to make
the decision whether he wants to be a kept man
like Ryan Edwards yep, or if he wants to come
back out and can make one more run out of
Super Bowl. And I'd like to see him come back
one more year. I think he's got enough left in
the tank to still be productive. He's, obviously, like Ryan
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Michael said, not the Travis Kelsey of old, But man,
he's still going to catch balls and get in the
end ZUND three.
Speaker 8 (21:23):
New Saints head coach Kellen Moore said today that Derek
Carr is a tremendous NFL quarterback, but wouldn't commit on
whether or not he planned on keeping Derek Carr for
the twenty twenty five Saints season. Do you think the
Saints will part ways with Derek Carr this offseason or
will he be under center for them come September.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
I think that they'll find a way to keep it
because it sounds great to fans and people in the media. Oh,
we don't like this guy. New coach coming in, Let's
get rid of him. WHOA. I think that's kind of
asking on because you get rid of a player and
you don't have someone to plug and play in this position.
So I think Carl would be there until they find
his replacement, and once they find his replacement, then they're
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start to.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Packing his bags. See.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I think this is a moot point that Kellen Moore
said any of this stuff, because I think he's gonna
be gone. As Benjamin Olbright has laid out all this
week on Broncos Country Night, the Saints are like sixty
million dollars over the cap. There's only a certain amount
of players on their roster they can cut to get
cap compliant.
Speaker 8 (22:23):
I think he's one of the casualties. He is, but
it's funny. They're gonna have to play some funky games
with it. If they were to cut him with that,
like just as it stands now, they would incur fifty
million dollars of dead cap and they would save one
million dollars saving million. They probably have to do a
post June cut twenty five million this year, twenty five
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million next year.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Four.
Speaker 8 (22:48):
Shaudor Sanders talking about the Cleveland Browns and the Giants again.
Shaudor Sanders has already taken top thirty pre draft visits
to both the New York Giants and Cleveland Browns. Those
are the only two franchises he's visited with so far,
but it is expected others, like maybe even the Tennessee
Titans might be up next. Do you think or sorry,
where do you think Sudor Sanders will land?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Well?
Speaker 5 (23:12):
For me, just seems as though the Traiders would be
an ideal place. Consider the fact that he has some
kind of relationship with Schip Kelly, and that would be
great opportunity for him to kind of be that quarterback
in waiting while they had a bridge player veteran quarterback
to kind of bring him along opposed to being drafted
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by the Giants, where you're going to be thrust into the.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Fire right away. And that New York media. Man, it's
no joke.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, but I think if anyone can handle it, it's
Sugar Sanders and the New York media. And he had
those cleats on that were Giants in that last game
of the season. But he also tweeted out every time
the Raiders lost this year and with some emoji said
so he's also got you know, you mentioned the Chip
Kelly thing. He's also got that relationship with Tom Brady.
So I think it is one of those two places.
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I don't think Coach Prime's gonna let him play for
the Browns.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I'd agree there.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
And he's got a great relationship with Brian Dabele too.
You know, the relationship with Colley's valuable. But I keep
seeing him like dap up Brian Dable with all these
different you know, all stars.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Smoke screens man, just smoke screens. Five The Athletic.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I thought this was interesting.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
The Athletic conducted a poll with ten anonymous NFL front
office executives and coaches asking them their thoughts of the
recent NFL head coach hiring cycle. Among the favorites, you
had Mike Rabel running away with it. You had Mike
Rabel running away with it nine first place votes out
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of the ten potential voters.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
The the other one placed him third.
Speaker 8 (24:48):
Ben Johnson and Pete Carroll tied for second with a
different breakdown of votes each. Are you surprised by the
Mike Rabel favoritism at all among these NFL executives and coaches.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
I would say yes, I am.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
I know Rabel did a great job in Tennessee, but
we know ultimately that ended up with him being fired.
So I'm really shot at the numbers and individuals viewing
it the way he did. That's not to say that
I don't think that Rabel is a nice coach and
what kind of changed things for the Patriot but it's
kind of unusual.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I love, I completely agree that Mike Rabel was the highest,
you know, best hire of this offseason. He's been successful,
he's already got the Patriots connection. I'm surprised no votes
for this guy down in Jacksonville, though, Dude.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
All.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
I think we are a little too premature on that one.
Speaker 8 (25:42):
Six, Well, guess what I grant, I got some Liam
Cohen talked for you in this next one.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
You read it read by bye.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
That same Athletic poll ranked more Cohen and Schottenheimer as
the least favorite higher of this year's cycle. They had
just nine votes combined to total, so very about the
nine first place votes. Those coaches just had nine the total,
all of them in fourth or fifth place. You had
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Kellen Moore as the fifth favorite coach, hiring Liam Cohen
sixth and Brian Schottenheimer seventh.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Aaron Glenn was fourth.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Kind of between the.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
Two groups of three, are you surprised by how I
guess universally negative the opinions are around Liam Cohen, Brian Schottenheimer,
and Kellen Moore? And is there are there any other
result part of those poor results that surprises you.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
You know, I'm not really surprised, because once again you
look at Liam Cohen and how he.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Got to this position.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
But more importantly, you go back to that piece of
audio that Grant played and and that kind of rubbed
people the ow a way Kellen Moore of those the
three guys, I mean Kellen Moore has done more than
those are.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
The two guys in his career.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Now we think about Shattenheimer, he's getting a bad rep
because he's a new guy coming in and a lot
of Cowboys fans are not really looking to him as
being someone of the Cowboys saviors. So that's why those
coaches are where they are.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah, I'm not surprised by those results either, but I
think Brian Schottenheimer, I'm with Ben on this one. I
think he's going to surprise some people down there. And
as for as bad as Matt Eberflus was as a
head coach, he's a hell of a defensive coordinator. I
think they're going to be just fine in Dallas and
we'll see if Liam Cohen can recover from that do ball.
Speaker 8 (27:33):
Yeah, the Cowboys seem to disappoint whenever expectations are high
and kind of have a pleasantly surprising season whenever expectations
are really low, and everyone's piling on Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
And Dak Prescott saying they're close. So we'll see. We'll
see if he's right on that one.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Just look at the record was what he cited.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
It was very interesting.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Ye. Well that's your NFL six pack. Thanks for your
help with that, Seegers Nick. Before we get out of here,
you sent me some awesome on Instagram today, and we're
going to get to that in just a second. The
NFL tweeted out the calls of what this play sounded
like from all over.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
The world in the Super Bowl. It was really cool.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
But first we're gonna hear from Meryl Reese with WIP
the Eagles flagship station of Cooper Dejean's thirty eight yard
pick six in Super Bowl fifty nine.
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Speaker 4 (28:29):
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Is that?
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Polus?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
What a cool moment as a twenty two year old
rookie score in a pick six and the Super super
Bowl against arguably one of the best to ever do it.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I mean, how awesome for him? That's awesome for him.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Man, It's one of those unforgettable moments that he would
be able to tell his kids about and show them
the video. Here is what grandfather did. Yeah, that's that's
les we do.
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for the pick six.
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for the king.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I'm so glad you sent me that audio.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
We had calls from France, Brazil, South Korea, Germany, England, Spain.
I think the Spanish one was my favorite, Australia and Mexico.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Did you have a favorite in there?
Speaker 4 (32:07):
All of them was great. I mean, the one thing thing.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
That stood out was, like, you understand the difference in
broadcasting level of excitement from other countries opposed to the US.
So those international broadcasters, my high salute to you guys.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Mile high salute to those guys, well, mile high salute
to you.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Nick.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
You always make it easier when I said in here
for them, well appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Always great to sit in with Grant Smith on Bolos
High those days.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
That's right, baby, Benjamin Albright. I'll be back tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
We've got Bust Prime Time coming up next on KOA,
A fifty ninety four to one FM News Talk Sports,
Grant Smith filling in for Benjamin Albright as he was
on KOA Sports earlier today, sitting in here with my
man Nick Ferguson, and we are going to go right
out to the Common Spirit Health hotline and bring on
our guy Ryan Michael at the Ryan Michael on Twitter
or X whatever you want to call it these days.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Ryan, how are you tonight?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Man? Doing well?
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Nick?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Guys?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
We are doing good.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
And it's always a better night when we get to
talk to you and get some info behind the numbers,
because that's what you're so good at bringing to Broncos
country tonight, and I wanted to, of course, in my fashion,
start on a positive note.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
We talked about.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Saquon Barklay's historic season earlier this week, and he broke
Torel Davis's all time rushing mark for the regular season
and postseason combined, also won the Super Bowl on his
twenty eighth birthday. Where does his season rank amongst the
best running back seasons in NFL history?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
A good question. I would say it rings very high.
Not only did he break to Real Davison sign season
record for total rushing yards regular in both season combined,
but in fewer Carris so test to do any better
than first in the NFL history, And when I looked
at the history of the running position in some of
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the greatest seasons, that recluced jib or fun when I
wouldn't say that I'd put this in my top ten necessarily,
but Lenny Moore, who played for the Baltimore Colts, put
together some very impressive seasons.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
As a rookie.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
In nineteen fifty sixty average seven point five yards per carry,
the most ever for a running back, although he was
more of a dual threat hybrid between running and rushing.
He averaged eleven point sixty yards per touch in nineteen
fifty eight. I think that's something that's worth acknowledging. O. J.
Simpson had two seasons, and obviously speaking only to on
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field performance here, in nineteen seventy three, became the first
running back to ever quit two thousand yards rushing. He
ran for two thousand and three yards in a fourteen
game schedule. What that meant if he averaged one hundred
and forty three point one yards per game. If you
projected that over a seventeen game season, you get two
four hundred and thirty two yards two years later, he
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led the NFL with twenty three total touchdowns, which was
the most industory at the time. That would amount to
twenty eight over a seventeen game stretch. We certainly can't
leave Eric Dickerson out of the conversation. Two one hundred
and five regular season rushing yards and the average five
point six yards per carry LA Damian Tomlins in two
thousand and six is the greatest fantasy football season ever
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at the running back position. Thirty one touchdowns. That's a
quarterback number, and he did it at the running back position.
And of course, our home TV prior to take one,
Barkley's run this year had the two highest total rushing
yardage totals regular season playoffs combined. Ever, so let's take
another moment to acknowledge just how impressive that was. It's
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tough for me to pick us one to click one.
Barkley's definitely part of the discussion, and it's not just
recently biased.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Well, Ryan, When we look at the two quarterbacks that
played in Super Bowl, one of those guys in Jalen Hurts,
was probably one of the more criticized and ostracized guys
coming out of Oklahoma, but also leading into this playoff run. Now,
based off what we've seen and what you've seen from him,
do you see now that narrative now dies and goes way?
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But more importantly, what does this championship actually do for
his legacy.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
It's a great question, Nick, and I think it's worth
noting than certainly winning a super Bowl, being named Super
Bowl MVP, and having one of the better Super Bowl
performances we've seen, certainly is going to erase a lot
of the noise of a lot of the criticism. But
I'm of the view that that criticism should have never
existed in the first place. He was even better two
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years ago in twenty twenty two, and he went blow
for blow with Patrick Mahomes when when Pat Mahomes was
the peak of his power and so than twenty two
didn't do enough to silence to critics, of course, were
very narrative driven sport. So having the Tea result come
together the way that had been on Sunday is going
to keep people quiet. But I saw this oude of
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Jalen Hurts arguably at an even higher level two years ago,
so this isn't anything new for me.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah, I loved his quote when he was asked about
all the haters after the game, and he said, what
was it?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I had a purpose before there was an opinion. I
was like, this dude has the best head on his shoulders.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
But going to the other quarterback in that Super Bowl game,
Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
He's been getting praised since he's been in the league,
and well deserved.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
He's put up some historic numbers, not necessarily this year,
but am I correct and understanding from your perspective, Patrick
mahomes performance in the Super Bowl last Sunday was the
worst by a quarterback in Super Bowl history.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I'm not being hyperbolic when I say that, and I'm
sure our listeners might expect that from me. I've borrowed
Benjamin Albright's wed blanket all year long. Any time I
talk about Patrick Mahomes, and I always preface the criticism
by acknowledgment he put together the greatest five year stretch
to start a career in the history of the quarterback
positions of Patrick Mahomes. Where he stood after he beat
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the Eagles in Super Bowl fifty seven was an even
more impressive start, in my opinion than Dan Marino or
Peyton Manning. And so what we've seen since then, is
we've seen a quarterback who, while still playing at times
at a high level, has dropped off significantly during that
five year stretch, including the last game of the regular season.
In twenty seventeen, he was number one in the NFL
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and adjusted net yards per attempt. You go fast forward
to twenty twenty three, dropped from first to fifteenth, right
six point twenty sixth, and then this year dropped all
the way down to six point zero two. That's nineteenth
in the NFL, twenty seventh n yards per passing ATTENP
and net yards per attempt, which factors in yard lost.
The sack also twenty seventh in the league. So we
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can acknowledge the con because we can acknowledge certainly that
Travis Pelty is a shell of the greatness that he
displayed during the early part of his career, and that
pat certainly hasn't had the skill position players to live
up to what he was surrounded by in the early
part of his career. But we're seeing numbers that are
bottom third of the league, sometimes from a quarterback who
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many consider to be still somehow the best quarterback in
football today. So I look at his numbers in Super
Bowl fifty nine, and we can acknowledge in garbage time
he was unbelievable. You look at the splits this way.
After he was down forty to six, he put up
at one hundred and forty seven point five pass away
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and completed ten of e letting passes one hundred and
nine yards, averaged almost ten yards of past, two touchdowns,
no interceptions, no sacks, no fumbles. Loss numbers were so
good in that final stretch that Voxboer numbers didn't look
so bad that he was at a point grant in
where the Chiefs had no realistic out of winning the game.
When he was down twenty seven to nothing, he completed
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twenty or fifteen passes a forty four point seven percent
passed for twenty one yards I mean the average two
point seven yards a pass, no touchdowns, two interceptions, one
of which was a pick hits with sack five times
negative twenty yards to that. So if you take his
passing yards and you the dust the yards lost his
act in interceptions, he had negative thirty seven yards, which
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is roughly negative two yards per dropback, and had led
Kansas City to zero points. There's plenty of blame to share.
Certainly credit to Philadelphia's defense is lying, But if we're
being honest, despite the name on the back of the jersey,
the performance that we saw when the game was still
competitive could not have possibly been worse. And if it
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was anybody else in football, we put up numbers like that.
If it were Peyton Manning, if it were Matt Ryan,
if it were anybody but Tom Brady at the meeting
would have a day have their day with it. So
in my opinion, it's the worst performing some Super Bowl history.
That doesn't change his place as being a future First
Ball Hall of Famer, but we have to acknowledge what
it is because had the Chiefs completed the three pet
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everybody would have been singing his praises and deservedly.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
So you're absolutely right as far as that is concerned.
And when you play the quarterback position, I mean, you
feel a lot of criticism and the narratives are always
out there. But there's another quarterback in Jacksonville who I mean,
everyone was raving about Trevor Lawrence when he came out
of Clemson and we saw him just kind of burst
on the scene and he was putting up like three
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thousand four thousand yards, but this past season not so much.
And there is several players and several kind of NFL
experts who have somewhat soured on Trevor Lawrence. So do
you feel he is still one of the top quarterbacks
in the league.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I do.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I do.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
I think Trevor Lawrence is one of the five most
talented quarterbacks in football. And there's a bit of context
there too, Nick. If you go back to his year,
it was a disaster. There's really no way to sugarcoat it.
It might have been the worst situation in modern history,
but it wasn't good. Final game of the regular season
was great, but beyond that, there's not much work coding.
In his second year, he actually had a higher DVLA
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than Jalen Hurts and Joe Burrow, who were both playing
at an MVP level. Joe b division won a division
championship and he had the Jacksonville Jaguars one quarter away
from the AFC championship. I think that was an incredible overachievement.
And in twenty twenty three, he finished the season, despite
the injured cold finish to the end of the season
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number one in the AFC and adjusted EPA p play
so after the twenty twenty three regular season, I coined
the nickname all twenty two Trevor, and shout out to
the Jags Twitter accounts for actually acknowledging it all twenty
two trev I like the nickname. He's a guy who
looks so much better when you're watching the coaches film,
when you're seeing everything that's happening with all twenty two
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players on the film, Trevor Lawrence pops and even despite
the awful bucks score results last year, and the jagually
won two games with Trevor Lawrence before that final game
against Houston, which in my view, he should have never
suited up for, he still ranked top ten in the
NFL in total QBR and adjusted EPA for play and
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touchdown passes and passing yards and first downs passing in
one of the worst situations the NFL had to offer.
It's unpopular here, guys, but given the context of him
playing injured and playing in a disastrous situation to still
produce at a top ten level by those various analytics
efficiency marks, I think he could make the argument that
last year was the best of his career. People will
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laugh at that, because the Jaguars only won two games.
But Nick, you know better than anybody here. Football is
the ultimate team sport. So if you had a healthy
Trevor Lawrence in a better situation such as Tampa Bay,
I think you get somebody who could have been an
MVP contender. He put him on one of the worst
teams in football, with no offensive line and one of
the worst defenses the game has to offer.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
You get, we get.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
See. That's why we have you on Ryan to go
inside those numbers and break it down.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Ryan Michael at d.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Ryan Michael joining us on Broncos Country, and I one
final question for you. We're going to get into this
debate when we let you go here in a minute.
But Deebo Samuel versus Cooper Cup on the Broncos, which
one would fit better with o Nix and Sean Payton
in this Broncos offense.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
It's a really good question. It's a very good question.
You know, Cooper Cup, if he were healthy and affordable,
is the kind of talent that any team would kill
to have. When you factor in the context that neither
of these receivers are who they were two three years ago,
and when you factor in the cap hit, it's a
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nice fantasy trade idea, and if I were playing Madden,
I wouldn't mind throwing the Cooper Cup. But realistically, I
don't know if either of them are really the best
fit for the system. And Dak Segers made a really
good point in a wonderful article Throat for k Away
earlier today. Sean Payton has been consistent in giving us
the news that maybe nobody wants to hear. He has
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more confidence in which receiver room than probably most of
the fans do. And while I'm certainly open minded to
adding talent at the skill positions, especially tight end, I
think these fantasy scenarios at wide receiver are not necessarily realistic.
I don't know if that would be the best move
for us.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I love it, man, Thanks for the insight as always, Ryan,
and thanks for the time tonight.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
You got it guys, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
That was Ryan Michael at d Ryan Michael on Twitter
or X. What do you think about his comments there
on Deebo and Cooper Cup than when you.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Look at both of those guys, I know they don't
see my fan favorites based on you know, where they
are in their careers. But for me, veteran players bring
in a certain amount of value that sometimes overlooked, And
for me, it's like if you were to strip away
the money aspect, strip away the fact of Okay, well
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you're giving up draft capital and that could be like
a three or four something like that for either one
of these guys, just kind of looking at it from
football logic standpoint.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
For me, it makes sense to have.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Guys who possess the qualities that they bring. Could you
go out and maybe get some less expensive guys?
Speaker 4 (13:18):
True?
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Can you look into the draft and maybe get some
younger guys who you hope that they will turn into
those coup of players. Absolutely, But when you're looking at
the fact that BoA's on a rookie deal, you at
least have to look at it because it's about adding
talent to your roster to make it better. And if
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you say, well, what side of the ball with the
Denver Broncos needs the most help, for me, I'm going
to look offense because you have to score points. Based
on what you saw the Eagles do and they did
that to Kansas City. And I know Kansas City playing
a lot of tight games, but that's a vetteran team.
They know how to win games, you have to put
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up points. And if your offense cannot move the chains
and keep the defense fresh, I don't care who you
put out there. You can have a defensive unit full
of Hall of famers, they're gonna break down.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Yeah, that's just the name of the game.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
And you know, we already have a top three defense
here in Denver. Let's go and get ourselves a top
three offense. And I think Adam, whatever weapons you can
is just going to help that. Here's Rob Smith on
KWA Sports on Tuesday that you were a part of
this conversation. You can find that full interview at Kowacolorado
dot com.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
But this is him talking about.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Cooper Cupp or Deebo Samuel joining the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Who's rea to have Cooper cuppor Deebo Samuel?
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Cooper cuppany has some injuries.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Deebo's had some injuries, well not as.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Many as you think, and they've been self tissue engines.
I I like, I say, scale wise, both of you
got a triple pray guy, a triple triple crawn.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Guy, and you got a guy like you said, if
if you're gonna.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
Be creative with the football, and this is that Deebo's
one of those guys get But if he's gonna come
with the.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Attitude, no, I rather have cup. I know Cupan won't
give you no attitude.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
If Coup can stay healthy, this dude's one of the
best route runers in the game, and I think he
can teach how other young guys and the quarterback as well.
So if you only give me those who choices and
give me cup.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Now, we had four people in the studio that day
when you were on the show, and you didn't really
get to expand on that soft tissue injury point. Do
you want to expand on it now?
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (15:28):
I mean the thing about understanding athletes and how they work,
there's a number of things that go into it.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
And what I did was.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
I reached out to some personal trainers, people who I
know who are head strength and conditioning guys in college football,
but more importantly about six or seven guys who are
leading in sports science and they work in the NFL. Now,
when you think about the soft tissue injuries that can
occur because due to overloading or not working those particular muscles,
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both from a conditioning standpoint and a lifting standpoint, and
then also it's hip tilt, like sometimes our hips may
kind of rotate forward because your muscle pull bones out
of place. And if you consistently run in that particular manner,
I mean, it's going to impact your running mechanics, but
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also have a tendency to put pressure.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
On your hamstring.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
So while most things that well, Debo is an injury
prone Now if you look over his history, no it's not.
I mean, the dude has played through a lot of injuries.
But I don't know if the Broncos go in that area.
And I'm not saying that the Broncos need to get
a Deebo Samuel. I understand if they did go in
that direction, you can go find a Deebo Samuel like guy.
But I've heard so many people say, well, the Broncos
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don't need a guy like that because they already have Mems.
See Mems, in my opinion, needs to be running vertically.
We've seen what he can do vertically. Horizontally you play
into the hands of the defense.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Mind. Deebo Samuel is built like a running back.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah indeed, and he fits.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
More of what Sean Payton was doing last year with
Marvin Mims. That's why I say, if that's going to
be the game plan, then get a physical guy like that.
You don't have to get Deebo, but you don't have
to get a Deebo white guy.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Well, hell, I'd take Deebo and Cooper Cup. Give me
all the options on offenses weapons. Thanks again to Ryan
Michael for joining us earlier in the segment and Rick
Lewis earlier in the show.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
When we come back. We got the NFL six pack
on Broncos.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Country tonight on KOA eight fifty ninety four to one
FM News Talk Sports Smith usually behind the board because
Zach Seeger's back there doing a great job tonight as
I fill in for Benjamin Albright as he was on
KOA Sports earlier today, sitting in here with Nick Ferguson.
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Thanks to Rick Lewis for joining us earlier, also Ryan
Michael in the last segment.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
If you missed any of that, you can find.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
It on the free iHeartRadio app, the new redesigned iHeartRadio app,
where you can also find the Taking It for Granted podcast,
my podcast where I released a new episode yesterday with
Broncos sideline reporter Susie Wargen.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Would love for you to check that out. But right
now it is time for the NFL six pack.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
It's time for the NFL six I'm gonna trad the
last insight and insight information you can't find anywhere else,
the top six NFL headlines.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
What first up for you here?
Speaker 8 (18:33):
NFL dot Com today released rankings of where they think
the most likely landing spots for Aaron Rodgers are.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
The top among them are.
Speaker 8 (18:44):
The Las Vegas Raiders, the rival Las Vegas Raiders, followed
by the New York Giants, then the Cleveland Browns, and
finally the Pittsburgh Steelers. Does anything surprise you about that list?
And where do you want to see Aaron Rodgers playing
next season if at all?
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Well, I say, for me, I would rather see Aaron pretty.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Much on the sofa right disrespect to him just as
fact as though it happens to all of us at
this time in our career. He's slowing down, that accuse injury.
He's not as mobile. I don't want to see the
dude get out there and get hurt. But if there
were two teams that I think would be great fits
for Aaron.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Rodgers, the Raiders being one.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
And also when you think about the Pittsburgh Steelers, just
the story, tradition and what they've been able to do.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I like the Steelers. I like that one.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
That would be a good spot for one last run.
But you're right, man, we have so many great memories
of Aaron Rodgers being the one of the best to
ever do it, and he's just not that guy anymore.
But I think Pittsburgh with that defense, maybe he could
get one more postseason round.
Speaker 8 (19:45):
Now it feels like it should be a win now
moved right. You're not getting that with the Giants or
the Browns. And Mike Comin just handled Russell Wilson's big personality.
I think he could handle Rogers two. According to the
Athletic the Can, the City Chiefs have given Travis Kelcey
a deadline to make his decision on whether or not
(20:06):
he'll be coming.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Back next year.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
They've decided mid March is the time by when they
need that they need to know whether or not Travis
Kelcey plans on plane for them in twenty twenty five.
Do you think it's unfair that the Chiefs are giving
this franchise legend this deadline and do you think there's
any potential things could get messy, considering they stand to
(20:28):
save nearly eighteen million dollars by cutting Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
I no, man, there's nothing wrong with the team kind
of setting a hard deadline because they need to know
if he's going to bow out, they need to make
sure they go into free agency and get a guy.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
We'll even get a guy in a draft.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
But you don't want to be held for ransom by
a guy who's done a heck of a job in
Kansas City. So I think they're right doing the right
thing suggesting that hey, by this particular date, you need to.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Let us know.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, And it's not like they're saying, hey, next week,
we need to know. They're giving him a month and
a half. Yes, should be plenty of time to make
the decision whether he wants to be a kept man
like Ryan Edwards yep, or if he wants to come
back out and can make one more run out of
Super Bowl. And I'd like to see him come back
one more year. I think he's got enough left in
the tank to still be productive. He's, obviously, like Ryan
(21:14):
Michael said, not the Travis Kelsey of old, But man,
he's still going to catch balls and get in the
end ZUND three.
Speaker 8 (21:23):
New Saints head coach Kellen Moore said today that Derek
Carr is a tremendous NFL quarterback, but wouldn't commit on
whether or not he planned on keeping Derek Carr for
the twenty twenty five Saints season. Do you think the
Saints will part ways with Derek Carr this offseason or
will he be under center for them come September.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
I think that they'll find a way to keep it
because it sounds great to fans and people in the media. Oh,
we don't like this guy. New coach coming in, Let's
get rid of him. WHOA. I think that's kind of
asking on because you get rid of a player and
you don't have someone to plug and play in this position.
So I think Carl would be there until they find
his replacement, and once they find his replacement, then they're
(22:04):
start to.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Packing his bags. See.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I think this is a moot point that Kellen Moore
said any of this stuff, because I think he's gonna
be gone. As Benjamin Olbright has laid out all this
week on Broncos Country Night, the Saints are like sixty
million dollars over the cap. There's only a certain amount
of players on their roster they can cut to get
cap compliant.
Speaker 8 (22:23):
I think he's one of the casualties. He is, but
it's funny. They're gonna have to play some funky games
with it. If they were to cut him with that,
like just as it stands now, they would incur fifty
million dollars of dead cap and they would save one
million dollars saving million. They probably have to do a
post June cut twenty five million this year, twenty five
(22:43):
million next year.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Four.
Speaker 8 (22:48):
Shaudor Sanders talking about the Cleveland Browns and the Giants again.
Shaudor Sanders has already taken top thirty pre draft visits
to both the New York Giants and Cleveland Browns. Those
are the only two franchises he's visited with so far,
but it is expected others, like maybe even the Tennessee
Titans might be up next. Do you think or sorry,
where do you think Sudor Sanders will land?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Well?
Speaker 5 (23:12):
For me, just seems as though the Traiders would be
an ideal place. Consider the fact that he has some
kind of relationship with Schip Kelly, and that would be
great opportunity for him to kind of be that quarterback
in waiting while they had a bridge player veteran quarterback
to kind of bring him along opposed to being drafted
(23:32):
by the Giants, where you're going to be thrust into the.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Fire right away. And that New York media. Man, it's
no joke.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, but I think if anyone can handle it, it's
Sugar Sanders and the New York media. And he had
those cleats on that were Giants in that last game
of the season. But he also tweeted out every time
the Raiders lost this year and with some emoji said
so he's also got you know, you mentioned the Chip
Kelly thing. He's also got that relationship with Tom Brady.
So I think it is one of those two places.
(24:02):
I don't think Coach Prime's gonna let him play for
the Browns.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I'd agree there.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
And he's got a great relationship with Brian Dabele too.
You know, the relationship with Colley's valuable. But I keep
seeing him like dap up Brian Dable with all these
different you know, all stars.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Smoke screens man, just smoke screens. Five The Athletic.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I thought this was interesting.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
The Athletic conducted a poll with ten anonymous NFL front
office executives and coaches asking them their thoughts of the
recent NFL head coach hiring cycle. Among the favorites, you
had Mike Rabel running away with it. You had Mike
Rabel running away with it nine first place votes out
(24:44):
of the ten potential voters.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
The the other one placed him third.
Speaker 8 (24:48):
Ben Johnson and Pete Carroll tied for second with a
different breakdown of votes each. Are you surprised by the
Mike Rabel favoritism at all among these NFL executives and coaches.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
I would say yes, I am.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
I know Rabel did a great job in Tennessee, but
we know ultimately that ended up with him being fired.
So I'm really shot at the numbers and individuals viewing
it the way he did. That's not to say that
I don't think that Rabel is a nice coach and
what kind of changed things for the Patriot but it's
kind of unusual.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I love, I completely agree that Mike Rabel was the highest,
you know, best hire of this offseason. He's been successful,
he's already got the Patriots connection. I'm surprised no votes
for this guy down in Jacksonville, though, Dude.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
All.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
I think we are a little too premature on that one.
Speaker 8 (25:42):
Six, Well, guess what I grant, I got some Liam
Cohen talked for you in this next one.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
You read it read by bye.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
That same Athletic poll ranked more Cohen and Schottenheimer as
the least favorite higher of this year's cycle. They had
just nine votes combined to total, so very about the
nine first place votes. Those coaches just had nine the total,
all of them in fourth or fifth place. You had
(26:13):
Kellen Moore as the fifth favorite coach, hiring Liam Cohen
sixth and Brian Schottenheimer seventh.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Aaron Glenn was fourth.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Kind of between the.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
Two groups of three, are you surprised by how I
guess universally negative the opinions are around Liam Cohen, Brian Schottenheimer,
and Kellen Moore? And is there are there any other
result part of those poor results that surprises you.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
You know, I'm not really surprised, because once again you
look at Liam Cohen and how he.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Got to this position.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
But more importantly, you go back to that piece of
audio that Grant played and and that kind of rubbed
people the ow a way Kellen Moore of those the
three guys, I mean Kellen Moore has done more than
those are.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
The two guys in his career.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Now we think about Shattenheimer, he's getting a bad rep
because he's a new guy coming in and a lot
of Cowboys fans are not really looking to him as
being someone of the Cowboys saviors. So that's why those
coaches are where they are.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah, I'm not surprised by those results either, but I
think Brian Schottenheimer, I'm with Ben on this one. I
think he's going to surprise some people down there. And
as for as bad as Matt Eberflus was as a
head coach, he's a hell of a defensive coordinator. I
think they're going to be just fine in Dallas and
we'll see if Liam Cohen can recover from that do ball.
Speaker 8 (27:33):
Yeah, the Cowboys seem to disappoint whenever expectations are high
and kind of have a pleasantly surprising season whenever expectations
are really low, and everyone's piling on Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
And Dak Prescott saying they're close. So we'll see. We'll
see if he's right on that one.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Just look at the record was what he cited.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
It was very interesting.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Ye. Well that's your NFL six pack. Thanks for your
help with that, Seegers Nick. Before we get out of here,
you sent me some awesome on Instagram today, and we're
going to get to that in just a second. The
NFL tweeted out the calls of what this play sounded
like from all over.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
The world in the Super Bowl. It was really cool.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
But first we're gonna hear from Meryl Reese with WIP
the Eagles flagship station of Cooper Dejean's thirty eight yard
pick six in Super Bowl fifty nine.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
The Bowl.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
He's rushing, he's looking, it's in a sip, It's in
a separd a twenty fun fun.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Is the team a good team?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Polus?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
What a cool moment as a twenty two year old
rookie score in a pick six and the Super super
Bowl against arguably one of the best to ever do it.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I mean, how awesome for him? That's awesome for him.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Man, It's one of those unforgettable moments that he would
be able to tell his kids about and show them
the video. Here is what grandfather did. Yeah, that's that's
les we do.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
And here's how it sounded all around the world.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
Ship was TV says, Yeah, I got.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
To take my home zook and look at.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
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Speaker 2 (29:19):
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Speaker 6 (29:24):
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Speaker 6 (30:01):
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Speaker 4 (30:14):
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Speaker 2 (30:23):
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Speaker 4 (30:27):
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Speaker 2 (30:29):
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Speaker 4 (30:36):
Who's the donation? Who tells the ball and the wiki?
The pictures, the superstars.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
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Cooper the dam.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
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Speaker 6 (31:01):
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Speaker 8 (31:07):
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baby your say, that's.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
So is that Talon been doing?
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Rows out to the right, looks down fore e a
sisz Renalds and it's on down the field eagles looking
for the pick six.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
They're in good but the same huge moments.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
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Speaker 4 (31:40):
Yes, he goes all throwing alms the king.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Vanna anything bays.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
Got a sinkle he gives, look to smil sitting up
for the king.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I'm so glad you sent me that audio.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
We had calls from France, Brazil, South Korea, Germany, England, Spain.
I think the Spanish one was my favorite, Australia and Mexico.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Did you have a favorite in there?
Speaker 4 (32:07):
All of them was great. I mean, the one thing thing.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
That stood out was, like, you understand the difference in
broadcasting level of excitement from other countries opposed to the US.
So those international broadcasters, my high salute to you guys.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Mile high salute to those guys, well, mile high salute
to you.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Nick.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
You always make it easier when I said in here
for them, well appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Always great to sit in with Grant Smith on Bolos
High those days.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
That's right, baby, Benjamin Albright. I'll be back tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
We've got Bust Prime Time coming up next on KOA,
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