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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Fergie Ferg.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
I've never heard anyone call you that, but I'm gonna
call you that now from now on. He can Grant
Smith back there behind the glass. He's looking at me
weird too, So it's not just you.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Well to be totally honest.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Uh, our good friend Mario Tansy, he refers to me
as Fergie Ferg. Now. Uh, if you were to ask
Dominic that Fox were the hums up doing my former teammates, well,
they call me fer delicious, that's what they before.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Oh yeah, I'm a you know, we're not.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I'm not saying that we're coming back with the lead
singer from the Black Eyed Peas or any of that
kind of stuff. Grant's already nodding his head. That's why
I'm pointing at him. He knows, he knows what's up. Oh,
it's coming. The pump back is gonna be London Bridge
all night. I'm just saying it's okay. I've said, did
you sue her for a copyright infinis?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
No? I did not.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I kind of r settled into the idea because, you know,
playing with a group of dbs that I played with
at my time with the Denver Broncos. Everything was based
on comedy, even though you know, things were so serious.
We had to break up the monotony. So I just
kind of walked into it and I just embraced it.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
It is what it is. That's kind of what you
have to do.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
That's I mean, you know the best way to get
people to quit roasting you is to just lean into it.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yes, exactly. You know I've always found.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Over the course of my life, no matter what it
is like, if somebody's blowing you up, just lean into it.
Eventually they get tired of it, and then then it
holds no power over your big show tonight. Romy Bean
from CBS is gonna join us a little bit later,
as will Zach Seegers. You's got another article out on
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Speaker 1 (01:27):
Chance talk to him about that as well.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Happy Valentine's Day to you and yours and all you
listening out There'd you guys do anything to.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Celebrate before you got in here? Are you gonna do
a talking to me? I'm talking to you and Grant
or are you guys going to do you have to
be married men? Are you celebrating? You talked to the wrong? Probably?
I know you're we're living thrifty. Well see, no play
into this. No, no, you see what I'm talking about.
We talked about this last night.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
The first thing he could come up with on me
being thrifty.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I'm gonna have you guys spending by the end of
the night.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I thought, I thought for sure you and missus Ferguson
would have two well done burnt steaks for Valentine's stay.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
No, no, no, no, not gonna do it. Steaks are
not burnt. Uh medium, But no, man, there's no uh
celebratory Valentines Day. No cars, no candy, no.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Not even those heart shaped ant acids.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
No, no, hold on for a second. I may date
myself with this, grant. I don't know if you've ever
experienced it, but tell me if you ever, like when
you were in like grade school and there was a
girl that you like, you had those hearts.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, yeah, talk sometimes like the tombs. They're like eating
tom toms.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
They like count chocolate mushrooms, not mushroom, but the marshmallows.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Marshmallows wildly did you take that? Sounds over the count
chocolate mushrooms? Do you grants like I'm gonna take something
be able to count chocolate shrews and you write that box,
(03:03):
you know, do you like me? Yes?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Or no?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Take the box? Yes? Okay, so it wasn't just me.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Yeah, you pick out the one that like, make sure
it says something really sweet on us, and you give
that one to your crush.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yes, of course that's an old school move.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
See, neither of you guys responded to my my Valentine's
stuff in the office here in your in.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Your what valence type of stuff. Oh, I see how
it is pretend like we we do know our audience.
We know who we're talking about, right.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
This is this new busesman, all Brook guy who does
not believe in love at.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
All, exactly. He doesn't even like Jordan Love. I don't
even like Buddy Love.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
And that's a fictional character any Murphy played tonight exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
So that's that speaks to you, VOLUMESU not reallyking this
day in particular people.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Okay, I mean it's just a commercial.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
It's a commercial trap, you know, I mean, it's it's
a uh, it's a it's a day where you go
out to the restaurants they mark the food up, you know,
thirty percent and give you the same sized portion and uh,
you have to wait extra long because everybody's out doing
it and all that kind of stuff. Plus they can't
and the flowers and the you know and all of
that stuff. But if you're into it, hey, cool, Broncos
gave out some flowers today apparently.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Apparently so they brought in and hired you know they.
I mean, he just had too much risk for him.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I guess, Darren, Zzy, this is the new special teams
coordinator slash assistant head coach.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
That title was really important, yes, very important. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
We I mean we all knew that was coming, like
everybody on the earth knew that was coming. But why
they waited till now? They had to get they were
trying to get They had to get it fined. Another
minority candidate that would come in an interview knowing it
was a sham interview, I've just let it hang there.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Well, I mean, listen, we've seen things like this transpire
in the league before.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
It's nothing new.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
But I guess at the end of the day, you know,
Rizzy really did a hell of a job down there
with the Saints. And you know, I can say this
knowing as though I know Mike Westoff and Mike Westoff
was leading this Broncos team until he had to abrupt.
We step down to some uh you know, personal reasons.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Health concerns, Yeah, personal personal reasons, you know. Uh, and
and and I'll leave it right there.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
But the team perform admirably even when they cut Wicker
had taken over.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yah.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
But in these situations, I mean, you never know what
goes into the decision making and evaluation of coaches at
the end of the season, and coaches make changes. So
the idea is that what west Off was brought in
here to do, Rizzy is going to now be asked
to continue that, but then take it to a whole
different level.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well, there's not much of a level to go to.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I mean, the Broncos have had a at all pro
punt retarded the last two years, outside of the one
blocked field goal there that at the end of the
Kansas City game, that's been mostly reliable field goals. That
the punting game has been pretty good. The punt coverage
units have been good. But you know, I don't know
what next level there is to take it to.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
But sure, I'm.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
We're just glad we got the position filled and we
still have several other positions to fill. That that they
have not been able to fill yet, So it'll be, uh,
it'll be interesting to see who they get to fill
in there. I will tell you that some of that's
going to be filled internally, like Greg Minuski, that's going
to be filled internally, Declan Doyle. They're still making some
interviews on as some of these others are. They're still
(06:21):
you know, they're interviewing. But does it feel weird to
use it the Broncos or basically the last team to
fill at their coaching staff. I mean, even Kellen Moore
has almost all of his in place and he just
got hired.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Okay, no, no, I'm not shocked by that because here's
what we know about killing Moore.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
This is his first go round and doing this.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
And obviously this was in conversation for a while. We
knew Mike McCarthy and other coaches, Aaron glam being the
other guy who just kind of looked at the Saint's
job and base for whatever reason wasn't going in their direction.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
McCarthy's just decided, you know what, I'll sit out and
wait another year.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Age you say, well, I want to have my own GM,
and hey, the Saints were not willing to part ways
with Mickey Rumas.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So that didn't go well.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
So it gave Keller Marks opportunity to mentally start to
put his coaching staff together, because for him it's a
little more important for.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Him than it is for Sean Payton. They've already gone
through it.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Through a season and every every team they do, you know,
player and coaching evaluation after every particular season. But Sean
Payton knows what he wants and a lot of coaches
lean on people who they are familiar with and vice
versus who's familiar with them.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
So we all knew, like you.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Brought it up that when Big Wicker was let go,
that this was going to eventually be the direction. But
I think it's more pressure on killing Moore to put
his coaching staff together, dealing with the salary cap and
everything that he's got to deal with.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
The New Orleans Well, yeah, that's that's a whole other animal.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
The Nortons says, So I gotta be competitive probably for
a couple of years. I mean, just the cuts that
they're going to have to make, you know, they say they're.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Fifty four million over the cap.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Just to get cap compliance, they're going to have to
cut Derek Carr with the post June one, but that
money doesn't come available till June one, So in order
to get cap compliant with the rest of it, you're
still going to have to move on from multiple other
players that probably include Cam Jordan, Eric McCoy, Taysom Hill,
and at least one other player just to just to
get compliant and have enough space to be.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Able to even sign draft picks.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
That's how behind the curve they are thanks to all
the voidier imaginations that they've been doing, running up the
card over the last decade and not paying for it,
and so you know, finally the bill always comes due.
There's no magic solution where you just don't have to
you know, you end up not having the bill come due.
So with Kellen Moore and with that whole setup, you're
probably a couple of years away from being competitive. But
(08:48):
the part that jumped out at me is it just
feels like as we look at this Denver situation that
they have not filled out.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I mean, they've had weeks.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
To fill out some of these things, and other coaching
staffs are filling out. Are the Broncos the last choice
for people as they're deciding to go other places.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
No, it's not the fact that the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Are like the last choice.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I mean, when you're in a situation like this, you
want to make sure you take your time and are
the Broncos are Are they under pressure to make these moves? No,
not really, because they can always make these moves in house.
Who's to say that they haven't already spoken to individuals.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Already, Well, they fucked to some and as far as
the inside back or spot like that'll be in house.
But they're interviewing externally for some of these other uh,
some of these other roles as well.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
But you gotta I mean you got to replace.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You gotta place Deckladoyle and John Morton and Craig Manuski
and Benkowk has now replaced her, Benkoka and west Off.
That combination, I guess is sort of now replaced. So
you know, you've you've got things you need to do.
And as more and more coaching staffs that have turned
over and filled their spots out, the candidate pools dwindles
as we as we go along.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I'll say this because as a person who was former
coach this league, they're.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Always coaches out there, always people willing always well, I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yes, okay, and well there's a will, there's a way.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
And the idea is when you know that, you know
that you don't have to be desperate with the whole approach,
you kind of take your time. I mean, heck, you
can wait until after maybe under the combine to make
that decision, because, like you said, they've probably spoke to
a couple of people here and there, just kind of
putting fillers out there, just talking, and then after that
(10:30):
then they kind of make their decisions because for right now,
the Broncos, their staff is pretty much intact based on
what they're accomplished last year. And once again, just like
you look at player evaluation, you say, okay, well, how
can we improve in these particular areas? Do we have
to go out there and rush what's the biggest thing.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
For them right now?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Trying to look at their roster and figure out how
to make both nikes much better in twenty twenty five.
All the other assistant jobs, man, they can feel those out,
no problem.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
You can find a tight ends coach, somebody will grab coffee.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yes, you can find guys who can who can fill in,
not necessarily saying a guy who may come in as
a tight end coach, he's actually going to grab coffee.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Not really, no, but I mean that's the I mean, okay, coffee.
In the pecking order.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Of assistant coaches on the offensive side of the ball,
the tight end coach is the lowest.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Well, I mean for that standpoint, that standpoint only, Yes,
you are low level on the pecking you know, as
far as the hierarchy, as the treat goes.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
But I don't know if anyone is going to get
coffee like that. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I just like to use it because I think it's funny.
But that's for the scouting assistant.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Right, Just keep trying, trying to keep drying, just trying
to mess you.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Five six six, nine zeros A text line lot to
like going on today? The Philadelphia Super Bowl parade us
going on.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
To you watch any any part of that? You know what? Okay?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I love watching parades of teams that win, and the
fans of certain teams are very interesting and unique, the
Philadelphia fans very unique. Now your team is celebrating. There's
two things that I saw that left me shaking my head.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Right. The one thing was some.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Guy calling earl right at the front gate and he's
got a horder fans around him, and instead of going
into the eagle tramp much propped to him because he's
giving up his morning food. But he's still kind of pounding.
It's still going. And then there was a fight on
the side and one of the guys who were trying
to stop the fight and his girl was getting punched
(12:37):
in the face.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
He has on his baby be on and he's got a.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Baby on him right and and there's there are women
who was throwing punches over him to get to his girl.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I'm like, what are we doing? It's a city brother love. No, man,
that's not brotherly love. I mean, they need to change that.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
And I know people in Philly, blue collar Philly loved
the lu calla attitude, but sometime, man, they just doing
too much.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Well, yeah, Philly fans are extra.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I had a Philly fan text me earlier this morning
who had the flu, couldn't go to the.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Parade or whatever, but it was it's ecstatic that.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
They got One was watching the whole thing on TV,
and you know he's get a chance to talk to
them through their elation or whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
And yeah, those those parades are fun.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Did you do any of the parades when the Broncos
or the Nuggets are anybody want the Nobs one here?
Speaker 1 (13:26):
You know how difficult it is to kind of get out.
I used to live there.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I lived down there during these parades, so I have
an entirely different.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Perspective because it wasn't getting out. It was trying to
get out of my place, and that wasn't happening. Did
you see Howie Roseman get hitting the head with Yeah,
so that's hope we got for the six pack.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
A little bit later, Howie Roseman probable for the NFL
combine with the contusion.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Well, that's the thing that's so wild about these celebrations
because you have a sector of fans who are really
engaged and really into what their team just accomplice.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
And then you have another sector of fans that they
started partying way too early, and alcohol and behavior.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
They just don't mix. They still mix it, especially in
a crowd. Is space like that?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Well yeah, and then you you know, you get everybody.
I mean, Philadelphia is already kind of own.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
It, yeah, a little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
You know, it's not like it's not like South Boston bad,
but it's you know, like the people there just have
a chip all the time, and then you really hear
you're like, you walk past somebody and then they're you know,
and there's irritating.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I'm like, man, bro, it's fine, just chill out, you
know what, you know what, I like it too. Philly
fans are sort of like New York Is in a
way kinda because New Yorkers they don't give two nicolas
about you, and they're so irritated because you.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Know, they're like rats stacked on top of one another.
And usually in the summertime in New York City, when
the weather gets like ninety seven ninety five, oh, you
best believe it's going down, that they're fighting going down.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
The first thing I learned being out there in New York.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
In New York City, wash it gets yourself some earphones
wear of all the time. Everybody and their mother is
trying to sell you something. I couldn't have a street
corner without some dude trying to sell me comedy tickets,
his mixtape, like whatever.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I'm like, no, bro, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
And then they'll like they'll hassle you if you don't
buy it, Like I can't send this stuff on the
air let you say if you don't buy their crap.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
See, I would think that New Yorkers are people of
your own heart because New Yorkers they hustle.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
They cry, and they're full of hate.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
This is this goes back to the dog and cat conversation,
all right, Like I don't want a pet cat because
I don't want the competition because I'm already lazy and
I expect other people to bring me food and water
and adore me.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Right, So I'm a dog person.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I need the emotionally shallow animal that I feed water
and it thinks I'm God.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
So oh, you just want someone to just kind of
bow at your feet. I mean that's like.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Whatever Persian ruler references here. Like, I guess I respect
the hustle, but I don't want to do it, like
I don't, don't you know, I already told you no, Like,
don't keep talking to me.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I'm good. No, that's not how it works in New York.
Well it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
So that's why I got that's advice I give anybody
who's visiting, Uh.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
You know, because I was.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I was there in Manhattan, every street, corner, man every corner.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Your advice if you're going to New York is to
wear headphones to avoid people constantly haggling. You know, I'm
going to say, I'm going to advocate that you not
do what band is talking about, because I've lived in
New York for for about three years and the last
thing you want to do is have headphones because you
want to know when the sirens are coming, when people
(16:45):
are running.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
You want to know, Well, you go to see people
running the sirens like you can look at keep your
head on a swivel.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
So here's here's a fun averaging American fact.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
You see the other gazelles, they don't ask, they just start.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
That's exactly that.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yes, that's that's kind of an African American trend. See,
we don't look around and look for like where the
trouble is coming from. No, no, we're talking about Gret.
We just started running and we just said what about Lisa.
Lisa better see us running?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Right? Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
The gunshots and and Gret are sitting like, hey, where
does that come from? Nicky persons on sprint thirty five
yards down field?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
You all better come home here ready to look it back?
He's thirty five yards down the field. Out they'll fly pattern.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
No, man, Yeah, we don't ask those questions.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
We don't even look for.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
All I need to know is where I hear it
coming from and run the opposite way.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Look, I I'm with you on that. I'm just saying,
if you see people running, you gonna see him runing.
You can still wear headphones to see.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
People running, well, I mean you can, but there's always
one or two individuals who don't really get.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
It right away, right, and those usually the ones that pray, those.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Aren't the ones that are in front of you.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I'm just saying, I'm just keeping it one hundred.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Look'd the dice. It was just it was so much
of a hassle for me. Like ever every street corner,
somebody trying to shield me something and I'm like, bro,
I don't want your crap, like I don't. And then
they'll like say something like, oh, well, you you must
be something that you know, like you know, and I'm like, no,
I'm not gonna engage with you.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
You're not gonna gas light me to buy your mixtapes.
That's that's New York City, that is Philadelphia. Yeah, They're
all like, yes, yes, that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, I just I'm too I'm too late back for
that environment, man, like I'm just not.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I'll tell you this.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
You may be laid back forward, but if you live
in either of those cities, well I lived.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
In Redneck Country and I know what it's like for
you know, bar fights every weekend and all that kind
of stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
After a while, you may say it's not you, but
eventually start rubbing off on.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Walking around ground. You're like, all right, now I'm mad too.
You just you just mad, just to be mad? Like,
why you mad? Man? I'm not mad, fantasy. I'm a lover,
not a fighter. Well you will.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Technically you're not a lover because that's not your fortee.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I'm an anti lover, Yes, that's what you Is that
a thing? Your anti hero? There you go, Brocus, cut
your day back. After this, it's like, yeah, I keep trying.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
To do the lethal weapon thing and Nick will let
me be Danny Glover and you know it was yeah, well,
I mean, in all.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Fairness, I am African American and Danny Glover character is
African Americans.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
He told me it was because you grew a mustache better.
I mean, I can't grow a mustache better than you.
And African Americans. So Dave.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Dave was like he could not wrap his header on that,
and I'm like, that's there. You've almost got there. That's
the punchlines, you know, just like that. I'm oblivious that
he's an African American character.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
But yes, that that would be really uh wild that
uh you get.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Nick to do the mel giftson wig with like the
mullet hair with like the mustache.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Will be hilarious though.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
That would be the whole advertising you can put up
on a billboard Broncos Country tonight. Yes, but but once again,
Grant will be Joe Pesci in the back on Hey hey,
Leo gets whatever you want gets see.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Now, all of that is depending on the fact of
can you actually grow like a Grant Smith mustache?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Oh, I'm getting a glue on. We all know what's
happening here. I'm absolutely getting it.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I'm getting a thick you know, like I'm getting Oh yeah,
I'm getting the Danny like the thick fat mustache there.
We should do that. We should do it for Halloween
or something.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Just saying grass seems less than enthus Yeah, he doesn't
want to be Joe Pesci.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
He does well, if you're willing to take the heat
for dressing up like Danny Glover.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You can be Renee.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
More power to you at least three, I've.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Got the curves, what I love it? How do you
even get into Chris Rock at least to what or whatever?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
So, and then there was that TV show they did
with the WANs and Rufford, yeah, which then he got
fired and it was Stiffer his replacement for the last season.
But anyway, five six six zeros a text line speaking
of tangents. So we go off on.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Did you see the start of the Joe Burrow stuff?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I know, uh, Grant, obviously your quarterback Joe Burrow on
pardon might take.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
You could convert some of the money to a signing bonus,
which will lower the cap hit. You can push some
of the money to the back end of the contract,
and then when you get to that lowers the cap hit.
And then when you get to the back end of
the contract you can restructure it and converted to a
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signing bonus. Okay, then you can also just take less
money the Eagles are paying everybody.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yeah, yeah, So it seems.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Like the way whatever they're doing, that's him talking about
how they are going to be able to keep t Higgins, well,
how they're trying to keep how they.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Will keep Higgins and Cincinnatiah for your for you grant. Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
The problem, and the part that Joe Burrow is not
talking about, is that when you just convert money to
a signing bonus, you have to have a little thing
called cash. The Cincinnati Bengals are, let's be honest, are not,
honestly see cash poor. They already cash strapped organization. And
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that's been a problem with the Cincinnati Bengals for a
long time.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
And that that's the difference.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Philadelphia is a very cash rich team and that's how
they do that. They do convert things to signing mods,
they do use void years. They do things like that
because they have the cash to be able to navigate
the cap around that, where the Cincinnati Bengals simply don't
have that, and with void years, using that targeted and
a little bit is okay, but when you overuse it,
you put yourself in a situation where your cap situation
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suddenly becomes inflexible. Because once you've done that, then you
have no flexibility with that money at all.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
And once you've done.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
That, you better hope you start hit on everything that
you do, because if you don't hit on stuff now,
you don't have the maneuverability to be able to go
ahead and do that. And that's the problem with the
New Orleans Saints. They got themselves in this in this situation,
they overuse the void years and now look at the
situation that they're in.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Well, even though the salary cap can be complex at times,
based on some of the things that you mentioned, there
are kind of subtle ways that you can.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Skirt around it.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And the one thing about the one the best thing
is having a rookie quarterback, which the Bengals really don't
have no and they have several guys who you know,
you have Jamar, Chase, t Higgins, Kasaki, those are Trey
Hendricks that you have, all those guys who essentially are
going to want new contracts based on.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
The way they play.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Now, the strategy is for the team, you look at
those guys and say, well, who can we continue to
play and be a playoff caliber team without? And if
you're saying that looking at the veteran players, now your
best case scenario is identifying low cast free agents, but
more importantly, hitting on your draft picks. In the draft,
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Like this is where the Broncos and George Peyton has
been really great at finding your talent and having those
guys play early, play often be really productive. This is
where Cincinnati now finds themselves. So it's not to say
that they can't pull it off, but they're going to
really stress themselves really thin. But now you have to
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ask yourself, look at your playoff window, super bowl window
at that and I know Grant would love his team
to get to a super Bowl and the Bengals to
win it. So it's like, well, what do you want
to roll the dice? You got a five year window
if you want to push everything to the center of
the table, like the Rams did bet on winning a
chip in that time period and then said well we'll
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kick the can down the street and we'll did with
everything later. That that too, is a philosophy that has
proven beneficial.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
For certain teams at them draft picks. Well to do that,
you can.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
And here's and again the problem with this year is,
and I put the show on the other foot here
with Joe Burrow, I'm like, all right, well wait a minute,
fair if you want to point and those are oversimplifications
of how you run the cap, Joe, but fair if
you want to call that ownership like that. But if
I'm Mike Brown, I'm looking square at Joe Burrow saying, look,
how much of my cap you're eating?
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Cash? You're eating up? You willing to take a haircut
to particular for me to keep these guys.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Yeah, he's gonna have to do to Tom Brady, you
have to give up money.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, i'll cash. You might give up money.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Based on what Joe Burrow has been saying, he's saying, okay,
well we can make this happen.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
We just all have to get in the room and make.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Sure that everyone gets a piece of the pie and
everyone's happy. Now we've seen the Patriots dominate professional sports
for almost a twenty year period. Why did they do
that because Tom Brady, you know, being the goal he is,
or discounts, took a discount, but that discount led to
them constantly being in the playoffs and being in the
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super Bowl. So Zoe Burrow saying, look, I'm willing to
do that, Paul Brown, if you guys are willing to
meet me halfway and we could talk to these guys
and bargain some things, and you can convert some things
and signing bonuses and you play on the league minimum salary.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, I kick the can down the streams.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
But when you convert to signing bonus like, you literally
have to have that cash in hand right then and there.
You got two weeks to get that at ESK like.
It has to be an escrow and go. And some
teams just don't have that cash on hand to do that.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Well, that means that the Brown family is gonna have
to be real creative. Well, I had to find a
way call Brett V's and ask him how he's doing it.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I have an owner that has more money than you.
That's how he does it.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Well, hey, they better go out there and take some
loans and take some loans and maybe I mean, and
if you could find somebody willing to loan you the money,
well you can broke.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
May mean Mark Davis was struggling with that for a
long time too.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Now that the Raiders are making money in Vegas like
instead of where they were at Oakland, with all due
respect to Oakland with passionate fan base, but with all
due respect, Mark Davis is making money in Vegas now
and can actually afford to do this stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Okay, but they okay, to get it like that, you
need collateral, you know, so okay, Well.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
If you don't own a stadium.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
You don't like what do you what's your collateral?
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Your collateral is based on player, the players that you have.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
So you're giving points in the team up as collateral.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yes, you may make may gibbsay say, look, you want
to buy into this organization, sell the little equity.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
That's what I'm getting seven you gott are you gonna
go for a peve? You know, give you ten percent
team to a.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Pea or something like that, because you sell a little
porson of equity right now, and you sacrifice the money now,
because they saying, if you keep these guys together, there's
a potential chance for us to make more money.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
And sometimes were not sometimes all the time, in order
to make money, you have to spend money, So sell
some equity.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
The The Bengals only recently even sold their stadium naming rights.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
They didn't like that. That was that was a thing
that I mean, they had to do that.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
They did, they did forever, they refuse to do it.
Then they finally did it. Took Paul Brown's name off
there and made it pay Corpse Stadium. When was that
like five years ago?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Four years ago? Something good? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Uh, in an effort to be able to because they
didn't have the cash to pay Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Sell some shares some equity.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I mean, but that's the thing. You're basically going to
have to give up ten percent, which is the maximum out.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
You're basically going to.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Have to sell ten percent of the Cincinnati Bengals in
order to raise the cash in order to be able
to do that.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
If if you're willing to do that, hold on grant,
would you as a Cincinnati Bengal fan, would you be
willing to promote and pump your fist for the organization
selling ten percent if they can keep all these guys together.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Hell? Yeah, right, So let's do it.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Okay, Now, in doing yourself, keeping in mind and doing so, like,
depending on what you value that ten percent, you've got
to find a private equity group that's willing to do that,
and then.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
You have to agree on a price point.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
And depending on who you ask, the Bengals are worth
anywhere between three and a half to five billion dollars,
So you're talking about three hundred and fifty to five
hundred million dollars.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
There are investors out there. You're getting a piece of
an NFL team.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Do you want to give that up?
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Well, I mean, if you don't have the cash, you
have no choice, or you watch your house of cars
crumble you had.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
A choice, or you draft better you trast the replacement,
put up the setup is one of those, one of
these two.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I think the Brown family believes in their ability to draft,
and frankly, I think they have the right to do that.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
When you look at the guy, there's the guys they drafted.
Jamal Jason and t Higgins were guys they drafted. Look
at their defense. I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Well, some of those guys went elsewhere when they didn't
get paid. Look at baits, look at you know, all
that kind of stuff. They had injuries as well. So
I understand Joe Burrow wanting a notoriously cheap organization that
has earned the reputation of being cheap because they are
to open the pocketbook up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
And I understand it from the ownership side. Hey, we
don't necessarily have the cash. We're trying to do the
best we can.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
You know, what is my quarterback who's eating seventeen percent
of my cap out here doing tell it, trying to
talk kaponomics with me, Uh you know, on a on
a podcast with a with a parody character.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Well, if I'm not mistaken, and grant, feel free to
jump in here if you will. If it were not
for Joe Burrow, this Cincinnati Bengals team would have remained relevant.
He helped put them back on a map. Oh, by
the way, due to their poor front office personnel. They
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got him hurt in his first year, and then the
second year he came back and he took them to
the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah, you damn right. You better listen to Joe Burrow. Well,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
About irrelevant they I mean the Dalton years they were.
They were making the playoffs. They weren't getting anywhere in
the playoffs. But that's that's best best irrelevant. You make
the playoffs irrelevant. I mean the Broncos, you'rrelevant, they were,
they were, let's be granted.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
As as as the Cincinnati Bengals. Statesman on this program.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
Steelers are relevant, No, because they call even though they're
not winning playoff games, they get into the playoffs. But
they were the Bengals were not doing it to that
level where we were looking at the Bengals at any
stage of the season is saying that they were possible contenders.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
There was a surprise when they got into the playoffs,
and they promptly lost every time they got into the playoffs.
So I agree with Nick on this. I think they
were irrelevant for a long time. I think there were
some promising years with Andy Dalton and AJ Green and
some of those guys, but they weren't talked about like
they are now with Joe Burrow at quarterback, so I
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think you do have to listen to him. I think
this goes into the conversation of treating certain players a
little bit differently because they've earned that right, and Joe
Burrow has earned that.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Right absolutely, Like there comes a time where players should
have some kind of input on what's going on. And granted,
most of those players are all going to be quarterbacks
the faces of your franchise.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
How can you ask the guy to be the face of.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Your franchise and then people he takes all the lumps
when you lose, and he should take some of them
when you win, and he didn't perform well, well, how
can you ask me to be on a big stage
like that, but you're not allowing me any input and
putting some of the players around me.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I don't think they're not not allowing him to input.
I just think they're cheap and they don't have the money.
Like at the end of the day, I think that's
what it is. It's I might want to win or not. Well,
I would to win.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, let's say always when it comes out winning, you know,
winning and everything.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
It's the only thing that's right. And winning comes at
a price. And you can't get the coupon discount on
this one. Bro can't do it.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Just t Higgins the difference because he wasn't this past year.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
If Barrel goes to him and they sit down with
him to March Chase and they say, look, this.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Is what I'm gonna do. Here's my fool. Now I
hear that. What I'm saying is I'm asking the other
side of his question.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
They need that money and they need that cap space
for T Higgins to get a defense, because getting T
Higgins doesn't solve the problem.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
They were scoring plenty and they had to pay the
only productive player of their defense from this past year.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
That's you know, that's the other part of it.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
But this is what you got to be skillful from
your scouting department, being able to go out there and
get guys on team freely deals and then being able
to hit on draft picks.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
That's what you gotta do.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
You you gotta change your strat Bengals made the playoffs
four straight years, by the way, twenty eleven, twenty twelve,
twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen. They lost all four of those games,
and Andy Dalton had one touchdown in those four games
to six interceptions.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Brad rifle Baby, and then Joe Burrow came along and
change everything.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
No, he upgraded him. I mean he did. He hands
down the best quarterback in their franchise. I'm just saying
they weren't irrelevant. They just weren't you know, they were mediocre. Well,
you use whatever added if you want to use the describe,
but I'm going to use erodvant.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
But also I look at the years before Andy Dalton
hor Martle Lewis got to They were terrible, right. That
team was a joke. He was free wins every year.
So you ask yourself, where do you want to go?
Are we ascending or we're on a decline. It's either
one or the two every team.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
If you did not, if you were not the Philadelphia Eagles,
you're in that position. You're having that discussion, and that
means that you have to make some tough moves.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
You may have to get rid of some guys who
are some fan favorites. But the idea is.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
The standard is the standard, and you're trying to win
freaking football.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Games and they're gonna have to find a way to
manufacture money to be able to do that. Is the
end of the h is the end of the conversation
Roun with b from CBS. When we come back
Fergie Ferg.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
I've never heard anyone call you that, but I'm gonna
call you that now from now on. He can Grant
Smith back there behind the glass. He's looking at me
weird too, So it's not just you.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Well to be totally honest.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Uh, our good friend Mario Tansy, he refers to me
as Fergie Ferg. Now. Uh, if you were to ask
Dominic that Fox were the hums up doing my former teammates, well,
they call me fer delicious, that's what they before.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Oh yeah, I'm a you know, we're not.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I'm not saying that we're coming back with the lead
singer from the Black Eyed Peas or any of that
kind of stuff. Grant's already nodding his head. That's why
I'm pointing at him. He knows, he knows what's up. Oh,
it's coming. The pump back is gonna be London Bridge
all night. I'm just saying it's okay. I've said, did
you sue her for a copyright infinis?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
No? I did not.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I kind of r settled into the idea because, you know,
playing with a group of dbs that I played with
at my time with the Denver Broncos. Everything was based
on comedy, even though you know, things were so serious.
We had to break up the monotony. So I just
kind of walked into it and I just embraced it.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
It is what it is. That's kind of what you
have to do.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
That's I mean, you know the best way to get
people to quit roasting you is to just lean into it.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yes, exactly. You know I've always found.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Over the course of my life, no matter what it
is like, if somebody's blowing you up, just lean into it.
Eventually they get tired of it, and then then it
holds no power over your big show tonight. Romy Bean
from CBS is gonna join us a little bit later,
as will Zach Seegers. You's got another article out on
kocolorado dot com.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Chance talk to him about that as well.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Happy Valentine's Day to you and yours and all you
listening out There'd you guys do anything to.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Celebrate before you got in here? Are you gonna do
a talking to me? I'm talking to you and Grant
or are you guys going to do you have to
be married men? Are you celebrating? You talked to the wrong? Probably?
I know you're we're living thrifty. Well see, no play
into this. No, no, you see what I'm talking about.
We talked about this last night.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
The first thing he could come up with on me
being thrifty.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I'm gonna have you guys spending by the end of
the night.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I thought, I thought for sure you and missus Ferguson
would have two well done burnt steaks for Valentine's stay.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
No, no, no, no, not gonna do it. Steaks are
not burnt. Uh medium, But no, man, there's no uh
celebratory Valentines Day. No cars, no candy, no.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Not even those heart shaped ant acids.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
No, no, hold on for a second. I may date
myself with this, grant. I don't know if you've ever
experienced it, but tell me if you ever, like when
you were in like grade school and there was a
girl that you like, you had those hearts.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, yeah, talk sometimes like the tombs. They're like eating
tom toms.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
They like count chocolate mushrooms, not mushroom, but the marshmallows.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Marshmallows wildly did you take that? Sounds over the count
chocolate mushrooms? Do you grants like I'm gonna take something
be able to count chocolate shrews and you write that box,
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you know, do you like me? Yes?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Or no?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Take the box? Yes? Okay, so it wasn't just me.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Yeah, you pick out the one that like, make sure
it says something really sweet on us, and you give
that one to your crush.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yes, of course that's an old school move.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
See, neither of you guys responded to my my Valentine's
stuff in the office here in your in.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Your what valence type of stuff. Oh, I see how
it is pretend like we we do know our audience.
We know who we're talking about, right.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
This is this new busesman, all Brook guy who does
not believe in love at.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
All, exactly. He doesn't even like Jordan Love. I don't
even like Buddy Love.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
And that's a fictional character any Murphy played tonight exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
So that's that speaks to you, VOLUMESU not reallyking this
day in particular people.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Okay, I mean it's just a commercial.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
It's a commercial trap, you know, I mean, it's it's
a uh, it's a it's a day where you go
out to the restaurants they mark the food up, you know,
thirty percent and give you the same sized portion and uh,
you have to wait extra long because everybody's out doing
it and all that kind of stuff. Plus they can't
and the flowers and the you know and all of
that stuff. But if you're into it, hey, cool, Broncos
gave out some flowers today apparently.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Apparently so they brought in and hired you know they.
I mean, he just had too much risk for him.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I guess, Darren, Zzy, this is the new special teams
coordinator slash assistant head coach.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
That title was really important, yes, very important. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
We I mean we all knew that was coming, like
everybody on the earth knew that was coming. But why
they waited till now? They had to get they were
trying to get They had to get it fined. Another
minority candidate that would come in an interview knowing it
was a sham interview, I've just let it hang there.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Well, I mean, listen, we've seen things like this transpire
in the league before.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
It's nothing new.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
But I guess at the end of the day, you know,
Rizzy really did a hell of a job down there
with the Saints. And you know, I can say this
knowing as though I know Mike Westoff and Mike Westoff
was leading this Broncos team until he had to abrupt.
We step down to some uh you know, personal reasons.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Health concerns, Yeah, personal personal reasons, you know. Uh, and
and and I'll leave it right there.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
But the team perform admirably even when they cut Wicker
had taken over.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yah.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
But in these situations, I mean, you never know what
goes into the decision making and evaluation of coaches at
the end of the season, and coaches make changes. So
the idea is that what west Off was brought in
here to do, Rizzy is going to now be asked
to continue that, but then take it to a whole
different level.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well, there's not much of a level to go to.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I mean, the Broncos have had a at all pro
punt retarded the last two years, outside of the one
blocked field goal there that at the end of the
Kansas City game, that's been mostly reliable field goals. That
the punting game has been pretty good. The punt coverage
units have been good. But you know, I don't know
what next level there is to take it to.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
But sure, I'm.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
We're just glad we got the position filled and we
still have several other positions to fill. That that they
have not been able to fill yet, So it'll be, uh,
it'll be interesting to see who they get to fill
in there. I will tell you that some of that's
going to be filled internally, like Greg Minuski, that's going
to be filled internally, Declan Doyle. They're still making some
interviews on as some of these others are. They're still
(06:21):
you know, they're interviewing. But does it feel weird to
use it the Broncos or basically the last team to
fill at their coaching staff. I mean, even Kellen Moore
has almost all of his in place and he just
got hired.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Okay, no, no, I'm not shocked by that because here's
what we know about killing Moore.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
This is his first go round and doing this.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
And obviously this was in conversation for a while. We
knew Mike McCarthy and other coaches, Aaron glam being the
other guy who just kind of looked at the Saint's
job and base for whatever reason wasn't going in their direction.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
McCarthy's just decided, you know what, I'll sit out and
wait another year.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Age you say, well, I want to have my own GM,
and hey, the Saints were not willing to part ways
with Mickey Rumas.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So that didn't go well.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
So it gave Keller Marks opportunity to mentally start to
put his coaching staff together, because for him it's a
little more important for.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Him than it is for Sean Payton. They've already gone
through it.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Through a season and every every team they do, you know,
player and coaching evaluation after every particular season. But Sean
Payton knows what he wants and a lot of coaches
lean on people who they are familiar with and vice
versus who's familiar with them.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
So we all knew, like you.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Brought it up that when Big Wicker was let go,
that this was going to eventually be the direction. But
I think it's more pressure on killing Moore to put
his coaching staff together, dealing with the salary cap and
everything that he's got to deal with.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
The New Orleans Well, yeah, that's that's a whole other animal.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
The Nortons says, So I gotta be competitive probably for
a couple of years. I mean, just the cuts that
they're going to have to make, you know, they say they're.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Fifty four million over the cap.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Just to get cap compliance, they're going to have to
cut Derek Carr with the post June one, but that
money doesn't come available till June one, So in order
to get cap compliant with the rest of it, you're
still going to have to move on from multiple other
players that probably include Cam Jordan, Eric McCoy, Taysom Hill,
and at least one other player just to just to
get compliant and have enough space to be.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Able to even sign draft picks.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
That's how behind the curve they are thanks to all
the voidier imaginations that they've been doing, running up the
card over the last decade and not paying for it,
and so you know, finally the bill always comes due.
There's no magic solution where you just don't have to
you know, you end up not having the bill come due.
So with Kellen Moore and with that whole setup, you're
probably a couple of years away from being competitive. But
(08:48):
the part that jumped out at me is it just
feels like as we look at this Denver situation that
they have not filled out.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I mean, they've had weeks.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
To fill out some of these things, and other coaching
staffs are filling out. Are the Broncos the last choice
for people as they're deciding to go other places.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
No, it's not the fact that the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Are like the last choice.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I mean, when you're in a situation like this, you
want to make sure you take your time and are
the Broncos are Are they under pressure to make these moves? No,
not really, because they can always make these moves in house.
Who's to say that they haven't already spoken to individuals.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Already, Well, they fucked to some and as far as
the inside back or spot like that'll be in house.
But they're interviewing externally for some of these other uh,
some of these other roles as well.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
But you gotta I mean you got to replace.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You gotta place Deckladoyle and John Morton and Craig Manuski
and Benkowk has now replaced her, Benkoka and west Off.
That combination, I guess is sort of now replaced. So
you know, you've you've got things you need to do.
And as more and more coaching staffs that have turned
over and filled their spots out, the candidate pools dwindles
as we as we go along.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I'll say this because as a person who was former
coach this league, they're.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Always coaches out there, always people willing always well, I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yes, okay, and well there's a will, there's a way.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
And the idea is when you know that, you know
that you don't have to be desperate with the whole approach,
you kind of take your time. I mean, heck, you
can wait until after maybe under the combine to make
that decision, because, like you said, they've probably spoke to
a couple of people here and there, just kind of
putting fillers out there, just talking, and then after that
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then they kind of make their decisions because for right now,
the Broncos, their staff is pretty much intact based on
what they're accomplished last year. And once again, just like
you look at player evaluation, you say, okay, well, how
can we improve in these particular areas? Do we have
to go out there and rush what's the biggest thing.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
For them right now?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Trying to look at their roster and figure out how
to make both nikes much better in twenty twenty five.
All the other assistant jobs, man, they can feel those out,
no problem.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
You can find a tight ends coach, somebody will grab coffee.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yes, you can find guys who can who can fill in,
not necessarily saying a guy who may come in as
a tight end coach, he's actually going to grab coffee.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Not really, no, but I mean that's the I mean, okay, coffee.
In the pecking order.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Of assistant coaches on the offensive side of the ball,
the tight end coach is the lowest.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Well, I mean for that standpoint, that standpoint only, Yes,
you are low level on the pecking you know, as
far as the hierarchy, as the treat goes.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
But I don't know if anyone is going to get
coffee like that. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I just like to use it because I think it's funny.
But that's for the scouting assistant.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Right, Just keep trying, trying to keep drying, just trying
to mess you.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Five six six, nine zeros A text line lot to
like going on today? The Philadelphia Super Bowl parade us
going on.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
To you watch any any part of that? You know what? Okay?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I love watching parades of teams that win, and the
fans of certain teams are very interesting and unique, the
Philadelphia fans very unique. Now your team is celebrating. There's
two things that I saw that left me shaking my head.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Right. The one thing was some.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Guy calling earl right at the front gate and he's
got a horder fans around him, and instead of going
into the eagle tramp much propped to him because he's
giving up his morning food. But he's still kind of pounding.
It's still going. And then there was a fight on
the side and one of the guys who were trying
to stop the fight and his girl was getting punched
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in the face.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
He has on his baby be on and he's got a.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Baby on him right and and there's there are women
who was throwing punches over him to get to his girl.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I'm like, what are we doing? It's a city brother love. No, man,
that's not brotherly love. I mean, they need to change that.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
And I know people in Philly, blue collar Philly loved
the lu calla attitude, but sometime, man, they just doing
too much.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Well, yeah, Philly fans are extra.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I had a Philly fan text me earlier this morning
who had the flu, couldn't go to the.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Parade or whatever, but it was it's ecstatic that.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
They got One was watching the whole thing on TV,
and you know he's get a chance to talk to
them through their elation or whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
And yeah, those those parades are fun.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Did you do any of the parades when the Broncos
or the Nuggets are anybody want the Nobs one here?
Speaker 1 (13:26):
You know how difficult it is to kind of get out.
I used to live there.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I lived down there during these parades, so I have
an entirely different.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Perspective because it wasn't getting out. It was trying to
get out of my place, and that wasn't happening. Did
you see Howie Roseman get hitting the head with Yeah,
so that's hope we got for the six pack.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
A little bit later, Howie Roseman probable for the NFL
combine with the contusion.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Well, that's the thing that's so wild about these celebrations
because you have a sector of fans who are really
engaged and really into what their team just accomplice.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
And then you have another sector of fans that they
started partying way too early, and alcohol and behavior.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
They just don't mix. They still mix it, especially in
a crowd. Is space like that?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Well yeah, and then you you know, you get everybody.
I mean, Philadelphia is already kind of own.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
It, yeah, a little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
You know, it's not like it's not like South Boston bad,
but it's you know, like the people there just have
a chip all the time, and then you really hear
you're like, you walk past somebody and then they're you know,
and there's irritating.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I'm like, man, bro, it's fine, just chill out, you
know what, you know what, I like it too. Philly
fans are sort of like New York Is in a
way kinda because New Yorkers they don't give two nicolas
about you, and they're so irritated because you.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Know, they're like rats stacked on top of one another.
And usually in the summertime in New York City, when
the weather gets like ninety seven ninety five, oh, you
best believe it's going down, that they're fighting going down.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
The first thing I learned being out there in New York.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
In New York City, wash it gets yourself some earphones
wear of all the time. Everybody and their mother is
trying to sell you something. I couldn't have a street
corner without some dude trying to sell me comedy tickets,
his mixtape, like whatever.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I'm like, no, bro, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
And then they'll like they'll hassle you if you don't
buy it, Like I can't send this stuff on the
air let you say if you don't buy their crap.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
See, I would think that New Yorkers are people of
your own heart because New Yorkers they hustle.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
They cry, and they're full of hate.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
This is this goes back to the dog and cat conversation,
all right, Like I don't want a pet cat because
I don't want the competition because I'm already lazy and
I expect other people to bring me food and water
and adore me.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Right, So I'm a dog person.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I need the emotionally shallow animal that I feed water
and it thinks I'm God.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
So oh, you just want someone to just kind of
bow at your feet. I mean that's like.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Whatever Persian ruler references here. Like, I guess I respect
the hustle, but I don't want to do it, like
I don't, don't you know, I already told you no, Like,
don't keep talking to me.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I'm good. No, that's not how it works in New York.
Well it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
So that's why I got that's advice I give anybody
who's visiting, Uh.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
You know, because I was.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I was there in Manhattan, every street, corner, man every corner.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Your advice if you're going to New York is to
wear headphones to avoid people constantly haggling. You know, I'm
going to say, I'm going to advocate that you not
do what band is talking about, because I've lived in
New York for for about three years and the last
thing you want to do is have headphones because you
want to know when the sirens are coming, when people
(16:45):
are running.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
You want to know, Well, you go to see people
running the sirens like you can look at keep your
head on a swivel.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
So here's here's a fun averaging American fact.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
You see the other gazelles, they don't ask, they just start.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
That's exactly that.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yes, that's that's kind of an African American trend. See,
we don't look around and look for like where the
trouble is coming from. No, no, we're talking about Gret.
We just started running and we just said what about Lisa.
Lisa better see us running?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Right? Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
The gunshots and and Gret are sitting like, hey, where
does that come from? Nicky persons on sprint thirty five
yards down field?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
You all better come home here ready to look it back?
He's thirty five yards down the field. Out they'll fly pattern.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
No, man, Yeah, we don't ask those questions.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
We don't even look for.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
All I need to know is where I hear it
coming from and run the opposite way.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Look, I I'm with you on that. I'm just saying,
if you see people running, you gonna see him runing.
You can still wear headphones to see.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
People running, well, I mean you can, but there's always
one or two individuals who don't really get.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
It right away, right, and those usually the ones that pray, those.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Aren't the ones that are in front of you.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I'm just saying, I'm just keeping it one hundred.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Look'd the dice. It was just it was so much
of a hassle for me. Like ever every street corner,
somebody trying to shield me something and I'm like, bro,
I don't want your crap, like I don't. And then
they'll like say something like, oh, well, you you must
be something that you know, like you know, and I'm like, no,
I'm not gonna engage with you.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
You're not gonna gas light me to buy your mixtapes.
That's that's New York City, that is Philadelphia. Yeah, They're
all like, yes, yes, that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, I just I'm too I'm too late back for
that environment, man, like I'm just not.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I'll tell you this.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
You may be laid back forward, but if you live
in either of those cities, well I lived.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
In Redneck Country and I know what it's like for
you know, bar fights every weekend and all that kind
of stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
After a while, you may say it's not you, but
eventually start rubbing off on.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Walking around ground. You're like, all right, now I'm mad too.
You just you just mad, just to be mad? Like,
why you mad? Man? I'm not mad, fantasy. I'm a lover,
not a fighter. Well you will.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Technically you're not a lover because that's not your fortee.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I'm an anti lover, Yes, that's what you Is that
a thing? Your anti hero? There you go, Brocus, cut
your day back. After this, it's like, yeah, I keep trying.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
To do the lethal weapon thing and Nick will let
me be Danny Glover and you know it was yeah, well,
I mean, in all.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Fairness, I am African American and Danny Glover character is
African Americans.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
He told me it was because you grew a mustache better.
I mean, I can't grow a mustache better than you.
And African Americans. So Dave.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Dave was like he could not wrap his header on that,
and I'm like, that's there. You've almost got there. That's
the punchlines, you know, just like that. I'm oblivious that
he's an African American character.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
But yes, that that would be really uh wild that
uh you get.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Nick to do the mel giftson wig with like the
mullet hair with like the mustache.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Will be hilarious though.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
That would be the whole advertising you can put up
on a billboard Broncos Country tonight. Yes, but but once again,
Grant will be Joe Pesci in the back on Hey hey,
Leo gets whatever you want gets see.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Now, all of that is depending on the fact of
can you actually grow like a Grant Smith mustache?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Oh, I'm getting a glue on. We all know what's
happening here. I'm absolutely getting it.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
I'm getting a thick you know, like I'm getting Oh yeah,
I'm getting the Danny like the thick fat mustache there.
We should do that. We should do it for Halloween
or something.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Just saying grass seems less than enthus Yeah, he doesn't
want to be Joe Pesci.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
He does well, if you're willing to take the heat
for dressing up like Danny Glover.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You can be Renee.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
More power to you at least three, I've.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Got the curves, what I love it? How do you
even get into Chris Rock at least to what or whatever?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
So, and then there was that TV show they did
with the WANs and Rufford, yeah, which then he got
fired and it was Stiffer his replacement for the last season.
But anyway, five six six zeros a text line speaking
of tangents. So we go off on.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Did you see the start of the Joe Burrow stuff?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I know, uh, Grant, obviously your quarterback Joe Burrow on
pardon might take.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
You could convert some of the money to a signing bonus,
which will lower the cap hit. You can push some
of the money to the back end of the contract,
and then when you get to that lowers the cap hit.
And then when you get to the back end of
the contract you can restructure it and converted to a
(21:44):
signing bonus. Okay, then you can also just take less
money the Eagles are paying everybody.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yeah, yeah, So it seems.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Like the way whatever they're doing, that's him talking about
how they are going to be able to keep t Higgins, well,
how they're trying to keep how they.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Will keep Higgins and Cincinnatiah for your for you grant. Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
The problem, and the part that Joe Burrow is not
talking about, is that when you just convert money to
a signing bonus, you have to have a little thing
called cash. The Cincinnati Bengals are, let's be honest, are not,
honestly see cash poor. They already cash strapped organization. And
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that's been a problem with the Cincinnati Bengals for a
long time.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
And that that's the difference.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Philadelphia is a very cash rich team and that's how
they do that. They do convert things to signing mods,
they do use void years. They do things like that
because they have the cash to be able to navigate
the cap around that, where the Cincinnati Bengals simply don't
have that, and with void years, using that targeted and
a little bit is okay, but when you overuse it,
you put yourself in a situation where your cap situation
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suddenly becomes inflexible. Because once you've done that, then you
have no flexibility with that money at all.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
And once you've done.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
That, you better hope you start hit on everything that
you do, because if you don't hit on stuff now,
you don't have the maneuverability to be able to go
ahead and do that. And that's the problem with the
New Orleans Saints. They got themselves in this in this situation,
they overuse the void years and now look at the
situation that they're in.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Well, even though the salary cap can be complex at times,
based on some of the things that you mentioned, there
are kind of subtle ways that you can.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Skirt around it.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And the one thing about the one the best thing
is having a rookie quarterback, which the Bengals really don't
have no and they have several guys who you know,
you have Jamar, Chase, t Higgins, Kasaki, those are Trey
Hendricks that you have, all those guys who essentially are
going to want new contracts based on.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
The way they play.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Now, the strategy is for the team, you look at
those guys and say, well, who can we continue to
play and be a playoff caliber team without? And if
you're saying that looking at the veteran players, now your
best case scenario is identifying low cast free agents, but
more importantly, hitting on your draft picks. In the draft,
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Like this is where the Broncos and George Peyton has
been really great at finding your talent and having those
guys play early, play often be really productive. This is
where Cincinnati now finds themselves. So it's not to say
that they can't pull it off, but they're going to
really stress themselves really thin. But now you have to
(24:26):
ask yourself, look at your playoff window, super bowl window
at that and I know Grant would love his team
to get to a super Bowl and the Bengals to
win it. So it's like, well, what do you want
to roll the dice? You got a five year window
if you want to push everything to the center of
the table, like the Rams did bet on winning a
chip in that time period and then said well we'll
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kick the can down the street and we'll did with
everything later. That that too, is a philosophy that has
proven beneficial.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
For certain teams at them draft picks. Well to do that,
you can.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
And here's and again the problem with this year is,
and I put the show on the other foot here
with Joe Burrow, I'm like, all right, well wait a minute,
fair if you want to point and those are oversimplifications
of how you run the cap, Joe, but fair if
you want to call that ownership like that. But if
I'm Mike Brown, I'm looking square at Joe Burrow saying, look,
how much of my cap you're eating?
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Cash? You're eating up? You willing to take a haircut
to particular for me to keep these guys.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Yeah, he's gonna have to do to Tom Brady, you
have to give up money.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, i'll cash. You might give up money.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Based on what Joe Burrow has been saying, he's saying, okay,
well we can make this happen.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
We just all have to get in the room and make.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Sure that everyone gets a piece of the pie and
everyone's happy. Now we've seen the Patriots dominate professional sports
for almost a twenty year period. Why did they do
that because Tom Brady, you know, being the goal he is,
or discounts, took a discount, but that discount led to
them constantly being in the playoffs and being in the
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super Bowl. So Zoe Burrow saying, look, I'm willing to
do that, Paul Brown, if you guys are willing to
meet me halfway and we could talk to these guys
and bargain some things, and you can convert some things
and signing bonuses and you play on the league minimum salary.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, I kick the can down the streams.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
But when you convert to signing bonus like, you literally
have to have that cash in hand right then and there.
You got two weeks to get that at ESK like.
It has to be an escrow and go. And some
teams just don't have that cash on hand to do that.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Well, that means that the Brown family is gonna have
to be real creative. Well, I had to find a
way call Brett V's and ask him how he's doing it.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I have an owner that has more money than you.
That's how he does it.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Well, hey, they better go out there and take some
loans and take some loans and maybe I mean, and
if you could find somebody willing to loan you the money,
well you can broke.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
May mean Mark Davis was struggling with that for a
long time too.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Now that the Raiders are making money in Vegas like
instead of where they were at Oakland, with all due
respect to Oakland with passionate fan base, but with all
due respect, Mark Davis is making money in Vegas now
and can actually afford to do this stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Okay, but they okay, to get it like that, you
need collateral, you know, so okay, Well.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
If you don't own a stadium.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
You don't like what do you what's your collateral?
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Your collateral is based on player, the players that you have.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
So you're giving points in the team up as collateral.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yes, you may make may gibbsay say, look, you want
to buy into this organization, sell the little equity.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
That's what I'm getting seven you gott are you gonna
go for a peve? You know, give you ten percent
team to a.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Pea or something like that, because you sell a little
porson of equity right now, and you sacrifice the money now,
because they saying, if you keep these guys together, there's
a potential chance for us to make more money.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
And sometimes were not sometimes all the time, in order
to make money, you have to spend money, So sell
some equity.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
The The Bengals only recently even sold their stadium naming rights.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
They didn't like that. That was that was a thing
that I mean, they had to do that.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
They did, they did forever, they refuse to do it.
Then they finally did it. Took Paul Brown's name off
there and made it pay Corpse Stadium. When was that
like five years ago?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Four years ago? Something good? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Uh, in an effort to be able to because they
didn't have the cash to pay Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Sell some shares some equity.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I mean, but that's the thing. You're basically going to
have to give up ten percent, which is the maximum out.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
You're basically going to.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Have to sell ten percent of the Cincinnati Bengals in
order to raise the cash in order to be able
to do that.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
If if you're willing to do that, hold on grant,
would you as a Cincinnati Bengal fan, would you be
willing to promote and pump your fist for the organization
selling ten percent if they can keep all these guys together.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Hell? Yeah, right, So let's do it.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Okay, Now, in doing yourself, keeping in mind and doing so, like,
depending on what you value that ten percent, you've got
to find a private equity group that's willing to do that,
and then.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
You have to agree on a price point.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
And depending on who you ask, the Bengals are worth
anywhere between three and a half to five billion dollars,
So you're talking about three hundred and fifty to five
hundred million dollars.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
There are investors out there. You're getting a piece of
an NFL team.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Do you want to give that up?
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Well, I mean, if you don't have the cash, you
have no choice, or you watch your house of cars
crumble you had.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
A choice, or you draft better you trast the replacement,
put up the setup is one of those, one of
these two.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I think the Brown family believes in their ability to draft,
and frankly, I think they have the right to do that.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
When you look at the guy, there's the guys they drafted.
Jamal Jason and t Higgins were guys they drafted. Look
at their defense. I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Well, some of those guys went elsewhere when they didn't
get paid. Look at baits, look at you know, all
that kind of stuff. They had injuries as well. So
I understand Joe Burrow wanting a notoriously cheap organization that
has earned the reputation of being cheap because they are
to open the pocketbook up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
And I understand it from the ownership side. Hey, we
don't necessarily have the cash. We're trying to do the
best we can.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
You know, what is my quarterback who's eating seventeen percent
of my cap out here doing tell it, trying to
talk kaponomics with me, Uh you know, on a on
a podcast with a with a parody character.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Well, if I'm not mistaken, and grant, feel free to
jump in here if you will. If it were not
for Joe Burrow, this Cincinnati Bengals team would have remained relevant.
He helped put them back on a map. Oh, by
the way, due to their poor front office personnel. They
(30:18):
got him hurt in his first year, and then the
second year he came back and he took them to
the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah, you damn right. You better listen to Joe Burrow. Well,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
About irrelevant they I mean the Dalton years they were.
They were making the playoffs. They weren't getting anywhere in
the playoffs. But that's that's best best irrelevant. You make
the playoffs irrelevant. I mean the Broncos, you'rrelevant, they were,
they were, let's be granted.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
As as as the Cincinnati Bengals. Statesman on this program.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
Steelers are relevant, No, because they call even though they're
not winning playoff games, they get into the playoffs. But
they were the Bengals were not doing it to that
level where we were looking at the Bengals at any
stage of the season is saying that they were possible contenders.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
There was a surprise when they got into the playoffs,
and they promptly lost every time they got into the playoffs.
So I agree with Nick on this. I think they
were irrelevant for a long time. I think there were
some promising years with Andy Dalton and AJ Green and
some of those guys, but they weren't talked about like
they are now with Joe Burrow at quarterback, so I
(31:23):
think you do have to listen to him. I think
this goes into the conversation of treating certain players a
little bit differently because they've earned that right, and Joe
Burrow has earned that.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Right absolutely, Like there comes a time where players should
have some kind of input on what's going on. And granted,
most of those players are all going to be quarterbacks
the faces of your franchise.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
How can you ask the guy to be the face of.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Your franchise and then people he takes all the lumps
when you lose, and he should take some of them
when you win, and he didn't perform well, well, how
can you ask me to be on a big stage
like that, but you're not allowing me any input and
putting some of the players around me.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I don't think they're not not allowing him to input.
I just think they're cheap and they don't have the money.
Like at the end of the day, I think that's
what it is. It's I might want to win or not. Well,
I would to win.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, let's say always when it comes out winning, you know,
winning and everything.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
It's the only thing that's right. And winning comes at
a price. And you can't get the coupon discount on
this one. Bro can't do it.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Just t Higgins the difference because he wasn't this past year.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
If Barrel goes to him and they sit down with
him to March Chase and they say, look, this.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Is what I'm gonna do. Here's my fool. Now I
hear that. What I'm saying is I'm asking the other
side of his question.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
They need that money and they need that cap space
for T Higgins to get a defense, because getting T
Higgins doesn't solve the problem.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
They were scoring plenty and they had to pay the
only productive player of their defense from this past year.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
That's you know, that's the other part of it.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
But this is what you got to be skillful from
your scouting department, being able to go out there and
get guys on team freely deals and then being able
to hit on draft picks.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
That's what you gotta do.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
You you gotta change your strat Bengals made the playoffs
four straight years, by the way, twenty eleven, twenty twelve,
twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen. They lost all four of those games,
and Andy Dalton had one touchdown in those four games
to six interceptions.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Brad rifle Baby, and then Joe Burrow came along and
change everything.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
No, he upgraded him. I mean he did. He hands
down the best quarterback in their franchise. I'm just saying
they weren't irrelevant. They just weren't you know, they were mediocre. Well,
you use whatever added if you want to use the describe,
but I'm going to use erodvant.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
But also I look at the years before Andy Dalton
hor Martle Lewis got to They were terrible, right. That
team was a joke. He was free wins every year.
So you ask yourself, where do you want to go?
Are we ascending or we're on a decline. It's either
one or the two every team.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
If you did not, if you were not the Philadelphia Eagles,
you're in that position. You're having that discussion, and that
means that you have to make some tough moves.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
You may have to get rid of some guys who
are some fan favorites. But the idea is.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
The standard is the standard, and you're trying to win
freaking football.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Games and they're gonna have to find a way to
manufacture money to be able to do that. Is the
end of the h is the end of the conversation
Roun with b from CBS. When we come back
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